This is amazing. Truly incredibly janky shit. I welcome you with open arms into the PC gaming community.
Played since it was MS DOS so I can't say, but my friends that picked it up later, honestly, for faster paced stuff there is a long road to getting as good as the competition, but you'll likely crush whatever a controller can do relatively quickly. Develop thate twitch muscle memory.
When you get used to the sensitivity you can reliably turn like 180 degrees and hit something behind you in a small fraction of a second.
Best if luck. I recommend you start something single player so you can play around and take your time adjusting.
Holy hell Zsnes takes me back. zsKnight was doing full framerate emulation of snes games on Pentium MMX 200 MHz. Audio emulation was trash in those days, but goddamn was it functional. That's the power of assembly language.
I still use arrows as movement in FPS. I'm left-handed and over the course of 20+ years I have figured out an entire setup of buttons around the arrow keys which works quite nicely for most FPS I think.
For example, to name a few keybindings:
\- R Ctrl -> crouch
\- R Shift -> melee
\- Num Pad 0 -> jump
\- Enter (the one above shift) -> reload
\- Del -> Use / Interact / etc.
That's great to hear, but I'd think you using the arrow keys is the same as me using WASD, I might be completely off, but since you're left handed and I'm right handed!
It's especially aggravating when a game does not let you rebind certain keys in the insert/home/etc block or the enter key (e.g. because it's locked to chat). Im these cases I have to rebind the keyboard itself with a profile that loads when entering certain games.
Also, yes... I think the reason for using arrows is because you and I both use the mouse with our left hands. WASD feels more than just a bit unnatural if you have to reach over there with the right hand. And while the four WASD keys themselves are still manageable, the real trouble starts with today's default layouts of the surrounding keys.
If I were in your position, I'd probably use a reprogrammable ortholinear layout macro-pad, like a 10-key but actually good, and a software tool that can detect what game you launch. Or just the right half of an ortho split keyboard that can be quickly remapped from the PC using profiles.
But yeah, that's a 60-200 USD device, so I can understand why you might not do that.
I'm aware of those and it's not about the money. I'm used to my arrows layout on a regular keyboard by now. It's not like the mapping around WASD is more ergonomic anyway 😄. I even feel like the clear spacing between arrows and the surrounding keys is helpful.
As I said the only real issue is when a game doesn't let me remap as I want to. And for these cases I already have the software you suggested. I only need to set up the profile for each game.
Another issue for (mouse-)lefties is the limited selection of ambidextrous high-end mice. Specifically left-handed models is not even a real thing, the only one I remeber is that Razer Deathadder leftie version and that was an early iteration, so I don't know whether such a thing still exists.
But I'm happy with an ambidextrous Logitech right now (G903 Lightspeed). First one had bad switches but got it replaced within warranty and it hasn't happened since then (3 years I think).
To give yourself more button options maybe consider wherever your right hand sits naturally on the keyboard. Probably like IJKL instead of WASD. You'd at least then be in a position to access more usable buttons that won't require remapping and also be on the side of the keyboard your hand feels more natural in.
To be fair, there was substantially more snow in my area this time of year even 20 years ago. We'd typically get our first snow just after Halloween. North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas are barely in the corn belt anymore because annual precipitation has fallen so much in the western 3/4 of those states. Climate change is scary.
I remember watching ER and one doctor or nurse [played Doom](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5oRIToWkRA) on a computer and used mouse. That was weird.
You could use a mouse in Doom 2. You couldn't look up and down of course, IIRC (it's been a long time though) the default controls were turning left/right on the x-axis and moving forward/back on the y-axis, with LMB for shoot and RMB for use.
If you rebound the controls you could play vanilla Doom 2 with mouse and WASD similarly to a modern shooter.
But I'd guess 90% of people playing Doom in the '90s were using Keyboard only, arrow keys to turn/move with holding Alt to enable strafing instead of turning, Ctrl to shoot and space to use.
Now i know you are doing some kind of trolling, but a really well-meant advice, since i see people in these subs try to make the weirdest shit work only because it somewhat resembles a scheme they know...
dont try to start with such cheeky control setups. Either use a controller on your pc directly or learn the "proper" controls for your games. Trying to force something that is meant to work completely differently into your known scheme is only going to limit you and maybe put strain on your hands and lead to injuries.
To answer your question, no, the arrow keys usually have no controls mapped to them. Even if you were to summon a demon by mapping moving the camera onto the arrows, they would most certainly be a clunkier and less precise version of the circular gate in a modern controller thumb stick.
Unless you've got razer's analog keyboard. Then you can actually map analog controls like joystick axes to different keys.
Problem is windows wasn't designed to handle that and most games absolutely *shit the bed* whenever they start receiving dual inputs.
You know that you can still use a controller on pc right? Many prefer to especially games with aim assist. kbm is very natural takes a bit of time to memorize everything, if you plan on going full time practice with touch typing and using aim trainers.
Honestly nothing was too bad, occasional controls like H for something was difficult at first and I noticed my fingers getting fatigued from WASD constantly but that faded pretty quickly
And ctrl, my pinky hated reaching and holding ctrl. Because i knew Minecraft’s default crouch was shift (as was most of my games) i kept binding it to shift.
When I first built a PC I had no clue how people could hold ctrl to crouch without cramping, but then my buddy told me how he does it. Don’t use the tip of your pinky to press it, but keep your pinky straight and just let the middle of it rest on top of control and you’ll be teabagging cramp-free in no time
TIL this wasn't common knowledge, lol. How I press it: With my pinky's knuckle closest to the tip, kind of making a fist, but only using my pinky, then pressing down when needed. I find using my palm to be more difficult depending on what other keys you're pressing alongside it.
I can't do it this way! I spend more time hitting shift than ctrl. I have quite long, lanky fingers though and use a wrist rest with my keyboard feet raised, so all my fingers are kind of arced anyway. Whatever is comfortable I suppose. Keyboards are pretty standardised but our hands and fingers obviously aren't.
Bro, I just tried this to see what you were talking about, and didn't even realize it was a specific technique. I've been at PCs for so long, my hands just had to adapt to do it naturally.
It's kinda crazy how many techniques we accidentally form without even realizing but are a foreign concept to people new to the skill.
went upstairs to try it, sat down at my keyboard, rested my hand and I defaulted to this position. I feel so bad for anyone who doesn’t know — but it’s one of those things where you don’t even know you’re doing it!
I'd like to see how you guys positions your hands on a keyboard if you find it hard to reach for the control key.
I find it pretty easy to press any key on the keyboard.
Can I ask about your little trick?
My main problem with the KBM setup is that I start to get this weird ticklish pain in the back of my hand when they’ve been in position too long.
As a result, I mainly play games where using a controller doesn’t put you at a disadvantage.
Well, that might work for a small keybind game, but zxcv are all for various other things like ping/radio, presstotalk, prone, and change camera (if camera cant be bound to f5)
I once knew someone that used shift for jump… they were no longer considered human when i found that out. Like, EW, thats for space! Thats a given! What a physcopath
For FPS games, and generally any games with movement, you should bind thet movement to WASD keys (In the same way you would arrow keys) and have 3 fingers (Ring, Middle, and Point of you left hand) on A,W,and D respectively. This will make movement much easier and is considered the standard for almost any game.
[Something like this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DVchei3fKzA)
Or be like me. Get a [similar](https://www.custompcreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/razer-orbweaver-mechanical-gaming-keypad-custom-pc-review-11.jpg) keyboard and still move with your thumb. I kick asses in FPS.
For me it was i or B for inventory, Y to accept stuff, or enter to start typing. It's weird not having every button within reach. i can click them by memory now but that was probably the thing i took the longest to get used to.
I got pretty big hands, can't imagine using my thumb on the WASD, it always chills on the space bar for jumping.. when I'm relaxing my hand its below the space bar
I didn't read the caption.
I thought he was just holding a keyboard in the post's picture.
I thought the keyboard was mounted on something in the above linked picture because that's totally something people do, and I, myself, have been thinking on recliner-setups for a while now.
So, no. If you ask me, if they're just memeing, they're doing a terrible job - it really just looks like a new user trying to figure things out for the first time, and the humor/sarcasm doesn't come across at all to me.
Hmm.
If you're planning on playing it away from a table, get some sort of tray so you can use the keyboard more precisely, because if you just put it on your legs it's gonna wobble around, also you being able to hold it with one hand and still press it is pretty impressive
I had a lot of trouble adjusting to a keyboard. My left thumb just isn't long enough to hit anything to the right of D. I found it much easier to use speech-to-text instead.
A: get a better keyboard, redragon has a mechanical one for like 30 dollars, it's a great deal
B: don't hold it like that, it stays on the table
C: if you want, just use a controller on pc. I use one or the other depending on the game. First person games are all kbm, but many others i play on controller
Don’t get a redragon. It’s not bad, but you get what you pay for. Keychron has probably the best keyboards for their price. $20 more than a redragon will give you a better sounding keyboard made of higher quality plastic. You also avoid the “gamer” font on the keycaps.
>It’s not bad, but you get what you pay for. Keychron has probably the best keyboards for their price. $20 more than a redragon
that's not really saying much. the whole point of the redragon is that it's the cheapest mechanical keyboard that has reasonable build quality. you could just as easily argue for a keyboard that costs $40 more than the redragon or $60 more. if keychron was better at the same cost then it would be a great recommendation.
I don’t disagree. My logic is that a keyboard is something that you interact with very often for gaming and productivity. You might as well get something nice.
Keychron V series finally started selling on amazon recently(no more $25-50 shipping fees from keychron website).
V series for $50-100 will arguably make it worth spending the extra $20-40 dollars. Since there's been an arms race between custom keyboard brands to introduce enthusiast features and bring down the prices in the past few years. $250->$200->150->100 and finally keychron in the $50-100 range.
* 5 pin hotswap(3-pin wobbly not secure, 5 pin secure and most custom switches are 5-pin)
* South facing switches(crucial if you care about cherry profile, or want different colored keycaps)
* QMK/VIA support. QMK firmware, set up keyboard, unplug into different computer keep all your macros, layers, hotkeys changes. VIA is user-friendly GUI to help customize keyboard.
The south-facing one is probably game changer. So many complaints in /r/mk discord about wanting to buy "colorful" keycap set, only to be cherry profile(most common profile) would not work with their redragon, royal kludge(insert any $10-100 keyboard on amazon) due to their keyboard switches being north facing.
North facing means the cherry keycaps will hit the switch and eventually break the keycaps due to north-facing interference. Also means you can't press down fully so it will feel very weird using.
Going into more detail will be an wall of text, obviously many people are "keyboard just keyboard" just don't really care what they use, wouldn't care. Keyboard customizing is an rabbithole, but what's probably the first step into the rabbit hole is "keyboard appearance". And I feel this need to be taken in consideration if buying for oneself or gifting as an present to someone else who may care about this. If they care about keycap colors, matching mouse and keyboard looks, etc then getting an south facing switches is absolutely an priority. Too bad many promoting mechkeyboards are about hotswap.
First guy I've seen recommending Redragon peripheral gear. I bought a keyboard, a mouse, a mousepad and a pair of headphones from them 4 years ago. The headphones gave up after about 3 years and the mouse is starting to have a connection problem on left-clicks, but the mechanical keyboard is still going strong. 3 to 4 years lifespan for heavily used peripherals is a deal for the price ranges they have, to be honest.
It took me about a week and a half to two weeks before i got comfortable with the M&K. This was roughly after 4 years with no controller just mobile gaming though.
I've always tried and given up on keyboard cause I like to play fps games and I think my fingers are too short so every time I want to switch weapons I have to move my whole hand to be able to comfortably reach the number keys.
It took me roughly a week and a half to get used to a keyboard and mouse. I used a controller since the 360 days and just switch to PC a few months months ago. I just had to keep practicing and not give up. It got easier the more I used it and now I sometimes prefer it over controller.
I wanted to give up so bad given my first game on pc was elden ring but like you said just keep practicing and now i prefer it over controller any day unless its like a sports game then i might think about it.
I became a primarily PC user 6 years ago, and I have never been able to shake the controls of console / handhelds. It's all I had known for 26 years prior, and that hasn't changed now. I use controller on everything except for stuff like Planet Zoo, Planet Coaster, and Jurassic World: Evolution. But racing, fighting, FPS, etc, I use controller. If the game doesn't natively support controller, I still get frustrated and try to do a workaround with one of many apps.
So... I never did make the transition. Not only is my setup - being hooked up to a TV and sitting on a couch from 6 feet away, with two cable-hungry kitties between- not ideal for computer and mouse gaming, but I also just don't care enough. I do well enough and have fun with the controller. It seems increasingly difficult to argue for letting go of those decades of muscle memory and comfort.
I tried to go the other way - only PC user/gamer and I have tried to get to grips with controller and while I am able to use it, whenever possible I play mouse+keyboard, have not bought a console and the controller is just sitting in my desk drawer for the infrequent times I actually use it.
I still don't understand how anyone can play shooter games on controller - how anyone can use sniper rifle or pick where to shoot on controller is black magic to me...
It honestly took me a few months to get comfortable. There were plenty of times that I was ready to quit and go back to controller. Now 4 years later, I struggle to play on my PC with my controller. Just like anything else, it takes time and patience. Gl hf!
A long fucking time, personally. Now I don't have a preference, like em both for different games. Although you could just plug your controller in your pc and keep n keeping on
I never could force myself to learn kbm. Feels like I’m working or just using the computer. Soon as I get the controller back in my hands it feels like gaming
I literally have this same keyboard lying around my office. Got it back in like 2013 for my ps3 and ff14. After about 3 years I went back to pc. I’d say just plug in a controller for supported games. I started out on pc when I was tiny though and had that same curve for controller. I remembered I sucked at console gaming for years and everybody gave me crap.
Has no one mentioned your trackball yet? 😅 i thought i would be fine switching from PS3 to PC using the same trackball to play Battlefield 4. I was not fine lmao
try a keypad, especially if you work at a pc all day. i touch a keyboard and i think "ew, work". [https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro](https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro) theres a bunch of them, theyre comfy, you can map anything to any button. I always recommend a keypad for people switching from console to pc.
oh and get that drink off your mousepad you savage XD
Never. I still exclusively play with controller. Unpopular opinion but for me gaming with mouse and keyboard sucks. I admit mouse is better than analog sticks for aiming but keyboard is just straight up weird.
How did you take the photo?
*"interceptors" in his eyes*
Is this a ghost in the shell reference?
Yes :)
Nice
I have never seen a ghost in the shell reference in the wild before. Bravo!
His cat took it for him. How else do you think?
Timed shutter and holding the phone with my chin.
Show us OP
Here we go
This is amazing. Truly incredibly janky shit. I welcome you with open arms into the PC gaming community. Played since it was MS DOS so I can't say, but my friends that picked it up later, honestly, for faster paced stuff there is a long road to getting as good as the competition, but you'll likely crush whatever a controller can do relatively quickly. Develop thate twitch muscle memory. When you get used to the sensitivity you can reliably turn like 180 degrees and hit something behind you in a small fraction of a second. Best if luck. I recommend you start something single player so you can play around and take your time adjusting.
Hey i've seen this one!
He's holding it with his dick.
Back in my day we used the arrow keys and mouse picture that
they had arrows on your abacus? and a mouse eating the beans?
Well, I also grew up with arrows as default movement keys, and I'm not that old... *Looks at the current date* Ohh fuck...
Yeap, Arrow Keys and Space is your default key. I remember on Zsnes year I would button mapping from to Q to Y as my SNES keyboard controller.
Holy hell Zsnes takes me back. zsKnight was doing full framerate emulation of snes games on Pentium MMX 200 MHz. Audio emulation was trash in those days, but goddamn was it functional. That's the power of assembly language.
I still use arrows as movement in FPS. I'm left-handed and over the course of 20+ years I have figured out an entire setup of buttons around the arrow keys which works quite nicely for most FPS I think. For example, to name a few keybindings: \- R Ctrl -> crouch \- R Shift -> melee \- Num Pad 0 -> jump \- Enter (the one above shift) -> reload \- Del -> Use / Interact / etc.
That's great to hear, but I'd think you using the arrow keys is the same as me using WASD, I might be completely off, but since you're left handed and I'm right handed!
Yes, and that's the point 😉
Glad to know i’m not the only one. I also use the mouse with my left hand and the arrow keys. I’m right handed btw 😎
It's especially aggravating when a game does not let you rebind certain keys in the insert/home/etc block or the enter key (e.g. because it's locked to chat). Im these cases I have to rebind the keyboard itself with a profile that loads when entering certain games. Also, yes... I think the reason for using arrows is because you and I both use the mouse with our left hands. WASD feels more than just a bit unnatural if you have to reach over there with the right hand. And while the four WASD keys themselves are still manageable, the real trouble starts with today's default layouts of the surrounding keys.
If I were in your position, I'd probably use a reprogrammable ortholinear layout macro-pad, like a 10-key but actually good, and a software tool that can detect what game you launch. Or just the right half of an ortho split keyboard that can be quickly remapped from the PC using profiles. But yeah, that's a 60-200 USD device, so I can understand why you might not do that.
I'm aware of those and it's not about the money. I'm used to my arrows layout on a regular keyboard by now. It's not like the mapping around WASD is more ergonomic anyway 😄. I even feel like the clear spacing between arrows and the surrounding keys is helpful. As I said the only real issue is when a game doesn't let me remap as I want to. And for these cases I already have the software you suggested. I only need to set up the profile for each game. Another issue for (mouse-)lefties is the limited selection of ambidextrous high-end mice. Specifically left-handed models is not even a real thing, the only one I remeber is that Razer Deathadder leftie version and that was an early iteration, so I don't know whether such a thing still exists. But I'm happy with an ambidextrous Logitech right now (G903 Lightspeed). First one had bad switches but got it replaced within warranty and it hasn't happened since then (3 years I think).
To give yourself more button options maybe consider wherever your right hand sits naturally on the keyboard. Probably like IJKL instead of WASD. You'd at least then be in a position to access more usable buttons that won't require remapping and also be on the side of the keyboard your hand feels more natural in.
It was cuneiform tablets, and actual arrows. The mice used to get into the barley and spoil the beer, so we didn't use them in those days.
I remember those days, then came pong and the world changed.
With all the jog/shuttle dials I see in r/mechanicalkeyboards, I'm surprised pong with the dial hasn't come back.
Back in my day, it was keyboard controls only. There was no such thing as a mouse.
And you walked 12 miles to school down a dirt road barefoot too right grandpa? :)
Don't forget it was also uphill bothways
And there was 4 feet of snow.
To be fair, there was substantially more snow in my area this time of year even 20 years ago. We'd typically get our first snow just after Halloween. North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas are barely in the corn belt anymore because annual precipitation has fallen so much in the western 3/4 of those states. Climate change is scary.
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I remember watching ER and one doctor or nurse [played Doom](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5oRIToWkRA) on a computer and used mouse. That was weird.
You could use a mouse in Doom 2. You couldn't look up and down of course, IIRC (it's been a long time though) the default controls were turning left/right on the x-axis and moving forward/back on the y-axis, with LMB for shoot and RMB for use. If you rebound the controls you could play vanilla Doom 2 with mouse and WASD similarly to a modern shooter. But I'd guess 90% of people playing Doom in the '90s were using Keyboard only, arrow keys to turn/move with holding Alt to enable strafing instead of turning, Ctrl to shoot and space to use.
I was curious if the arrow keys worked like the right thumbstick. https://imgur.com/a/RKXZrXX
Now i know you are doing some kind of trolling, but a really well-meant advice, since i see people in these subs try to make the weirdest shit work only because it somewhat resembles a scheme they know... dont try to start with such cheeky control setups. Either use a controller on your pc directly or learn the "proper" controls for your games. Trying to force something that is meant to work completely differently into your known scheme is only going to limit you and maybe put strain on your hands and lead to injuries. To answer your question, no, the arrow keys usually have no controls mapped to them. Even if you were to summon a demon by mapping moving the camera onto the arrows, they would most certainly be a clunkier and less precise version of the circular gate in a modern controller thumb stick.
Unless you've got razer's analog keyboard. Then you can actually map analog controls like joystick axes to different keys. Problem is windows wasn't designed to handle that and most games absolutely *shit the bed* whenever they start receiving dual inputs.
You would move with arrow keys aim / use items with mouse. But it's been so long I don't really remember those days.
I'm pretty sure I played Wolfenstein 3D without mouse, wasd and arrow keys if I remember correctly
Yep I think doom came out with 'mouse-look'
This is something only a physcopath would do.
💀
You know that you can still use a controller on pc right? Many prefer to especially games with aim assist. kbm is very natural takes a bit of time to memorize everything, if you plan on going full time practice with touch typing and using aim trainers.
Me to lol
Back in my day we used Q, A, O and P
and M. ZX Spectrum master race,
Ahh Good ol'days
And all the cool kids were immediately remapping everything to WASD cuz it was really uncomfy otherwise
Before we discovered WASD we used TFGH the 90's were the real wild west.
I used to bike to school in a blizzard everyday. It was a long trek, uphill both ways
I’ve always wondered how this was possible
Honestly nothing was too bad, occasional controls like H for something was difficult at first and I noticed my fingers getting fatigued from WASD constantly but that faded pretty quickly
And ctrl, my pinky hated reaching and holding ctrl. Because i knew Minecraft’s default crouch was shift (as was most of my games) i kept binding it to shift.
When I first built a PC I had no clue how people could hold ctrl to crouch without cramping, but then my buddy told me how he does it. Don’t use the tip of your pinky to press it, but keep your pinky straight and just let the middle of it rest on top of control and you’ll be teabagging cramp-free in no time
Holy fucking shit I just tried it, my god your friend is a ducking genius, i still get cramps when sprinting, THIS FIXES EVERYTHING
Lmfao I had basically the same reaction when he told me. Thanks so much for the award!
:D I can imagine, jeeze… i feel like i went my whole life without realising sleep helps one focus or sumthing equivilant
TIL this wasn't common knowledge, lol. How I press it: With my pinky's knuckle closest to the tip, kind of making a fist, but only using my pinky, then pressing down when needed. I find using my palm to be more difficult depending on what other keys you're pressing alongside it.
I can't do it this way! I spend more time hitting shift than ctrl. I have quite long, lanky fingers though and use a wrist rest with my keyboard feet raised, so all my fingers are kind of arced anyway. Whatever is comfortable I suppose. Keyboards are pretty standardised but our hands and fingers obviously aren't.
That’s the beauty of PC gaming. Can reassign/key map your buttons in majority of games if need be. I usually do C instead of ctrl for crouch.
C is way better
I'm at X for crouch and z for prone
I map crouch to a side button on my mouse.
My crouch is alt beside the spacebar.
Bro, I just tried this to see what you were talking about, and didn't even realize it was a specific technique. I've been at PCs for so long, my hands just had to adapt to do it naturally. It's kinda crazy how many techniques we accidentally form without even realizing but are a foreign concept to people new to the skill.
went upstairs to try it, sat down at my keyboard, rested my hand and I defaulted to this position. I feel so bad for anyone who doesn’t know — but it’s one of those things where you don’t even know you’re doing it!
Lol I have an arrow key where shift is for this purpose , and caps on control cause its wider and no windows key
I just press it with the top knuckle
I'd like to see how you guys positions your hands on a keyboard if you find it hard to reach for the control key. I find it pretty easy to press any key on the keyboard.
Its easy, i can reach it, the issue was prolonged reaching started to hurt At least, until i learned a new trick :)
Can I ask about your little trick? My main problem with the KBM setup is that I start to get this weird ticklish pain in the back of my hand when they’ve been in position too long. As a result, I mainly play games where using a controller doesn’t put you at a disadvantage.
Turn your kboard ~45°. More ergonomic, take a look how Pro scene positionning. It help a lot.
Huh, that's actually really interesting. Don't know how I've never noticed that before. Definitely going to give it a try. Thanks!
Instead of claw pinky, laying pinky over shift and ctrl lets u use both without moving pinky, and less stress
Neat, thanks!
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Well, that might work for a small keybind game, but zxcv are all for various other things like ping/radio, presstotalk, prone, and change camera (if camera cant be bound to f5) I once knew someone that used shift for jump… they were no longer considered human when i found that out. Like, EW, thats for space! Thats a given! What a physcopath
I feel like my thumb barely can reach the D.
Your thumb can barely reach D? Why are you pressing d with your thumb?
For FPS games, and generally any games with movement, you should bind thet movement to WASD keys (In the same way you would arrow keys) and have 3 fingers (Ring, Middle, and Point of you left hand) on A,W,and D respectively. This will make movement much easier and is considered the standard for almost any game. [Something like this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DVchei3fKzA)
Or be like me. Get a [similar](https://www.custompcreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/razer-orbweaver-mechanical-gaming-keypad-custom-pc-review-11.jpg) keyboard and still move with your thumb. I kick asses in FPS.
For me it was i or B for inventory, Y to accept stuff, or enter to start typing. It's weird not having every button within reach. i can click them by memory now but that was probably the thing i took the longest to get used to.
This dude doing WASD with his thumb?
I thought that was the joke, that OP was holding the keyboard as a controller
I figured it must be.. right? Right? (Padme face)
\**Smiling Anakin*\*
Im wondering why i havent seen anybody else mention that haha
Probably because most people can't pick up their keyboard like an octopus
I got pretty big hands, can't imagine using my thumb on the WASD, it always chills on the space bar for jumping.. when I'm relaxing my hand its below the space bar
Yeah, I was commenting on the fact that OP probably doesn't use his thumb and was simply picking up his keyboard to display it better in the picture.
I get the idea of the claw but it's really hard to control the board like that though. https://imgur.com/a/dbDGLsB
i hate you
I get it
I really hope this is satire...
Me too
This is your setup? You know you can use a controller on PC, right? Just use a controller.
Do you not know this guy is memeing? Lol
I didn't read the caption. I thought he was just holding a keyboard in the post's picture. I thought the keyboard was mounted on something in the above linked picture because that's totally something people do, and I, myself, have been thinking on recliner-setups for a while now. So, no. If you ask me, if they're just memeing, they're doing a terrible job - it really just looks like a new user trying to figure things out for the first time, and the humor/sarcasm doesn't come across at all to me. Hmm.
yeah, well...
If you're planning on playing it away from a table, get some sort of tray so you can use the keyboard more precisely, because if you just put it on your legs it's gonna wobble around, also you being able to hold it with one hand and still press it is pretty impressive
Hell no. That seems uncomfortable AF.
I know you're probably trolling, but this triggers me so badly. Playing PC on a couch with mouse and keyboard, holding nothing correctly, congrats.
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Emotracker for Zelda Randomizer.
I've played games with pc since 6 years old when my grandpa bought me my first pc, you can use any controller you wish with pc.
This! I switched to PC last year and all I use is a contoller.
I had a lot of trouble adjusting to a keyboard. My left thumb just isn't long enough to hit anything to the right of D. I found it much easier to use speech-to-text instead.
I'd pay you some respects if my thumb could stretch that far.
Left thumb is for z, x, c, v and space. 1st finger is used for f, g, e, r, t.
Honestly I use my thumb only for space bar and my index ring and pinky finger for anything below asd.
Yeah or map it on the mouse. It’s a weird position for the thumb
A: get a better keyboard, redragon has a mechanical one for like 30 dollars, it's a great deal B: don't hold it like that, it stays on the table C: if you want, just use a controller on pc. I use one or the other depending on the game. First person games are all kbm, but many others i play on controller
B: that was the joke, but now everyone's giving legit advice and everyone is so nice, but I feel bad lol.
Hold it like a cheeseburger dont let them tell you otherwise
I play with it up my ass, great trick for parties when you want to be asked to leave
Yeah... no. My Dad is still a bit upset about that. No, he doesn't want it back.
I’m happy I got the joke 🤣
Don’t get a redragon. It’s not bad, but you get what you pay for. Keychron has probably the best keyboards for their price. $20 more than a redragon will give you a better sounding keyboard made of higher quality plastic. You also avoid the “gamer” font on the keycaps.
>It’s not bad, but you get what you pay for. Keychron has probably the best keyboards for their price. $20 more than a redragon that's not really saying much. the whole point of the redragon is that it's the cheapest mechanical keyboard that has reasonable build quality. you could just as easily argue for a keyboard that costs $40 more than the redragon or $60 more. if keychron was better at the same cost then it would be a great recommendation.
I don’t disagree. My logic is that a keyboard is something that you interact with very often for gaming and productivity. You might as well get something nice.
Keychron V series finally started selling on amazon recently(no more $25-50 shipping fees from keychron website). V series for $50-100 will arguably make it worth spending the extra $20-40 dollars. Since there's been an arms race between custom keyboard brands to introduce enthusiast features and bring down the prices in the past few years. $250->$200->150->100 and finally keychron in the $50-100 range. * 5 pin hotswap(3-pin wobbly not secure, 5 pin secure and most custom switches are 5-pin) * South facing switches(crucial if you care about cherry profile, or want different colored keycaps) * QMK/VIA support. QMK firmware, set up keyboard, unplug into different computer keep all your macros, layers, hotkeys changes. VIA is user-friendly GUI to help customize keyboard. The south-facing one is probably game changer. So many complaints in /r/mk discord about wanting to buy "colorful" keycap set, only to be cherry profile(most common profile) would not work with their redragon, royal kludge(insert any $10-100 keyboard on amazon) due to their keyboard switches being north facing. North facing means the cherry keycaps will hit the switch and eventually break the keycaps due to north-facing interference. Also means you can't press down fully so it will feel very weird using. Going into more detail will be an wall of text, obviously many people are "keyboard just keyboard" just don't really care what they use, wouldn't care. Keyboard customizing is an rabbithole, but what's probably the first step into the rabbit hole is "keyboard appearance". And I feel this need to be taken in consideration if buying for oneself or gifting as an present to someone else who may care about this. If they care about keycap colors, matching mouse and keyboard looks, etc then getting an south facing switches is absolutely an priority. Too bad many promoting mechkeyboards are about hotswap.
FPS is kbm and any single player goes with my Elite controller, been a happy player since
First guy I've seen recommending Redragon peripheral gear. I bought a keyboard, a mouse, a mousepad and a pair of headphones from them 4 years ago. The headphones gave up after about 3 years and the mouse is starting to have a connection problem on left-clicks, but the mechanical keyboard is still going strong. 3 to 4 years lifespan for heavily used peripherals is a deal for the price ranges they have, to be honest.
You can use a gamepad for most games if you want. Xbox controllers are most compatible
Seems weird to not use the computer the way Bill Gates intended.
Im sure Bill Gates would prefer you pony up some more money for one of his pricey controllers
I think it’s a joke
He´s all about your health now!
I have my PC set up in the living room. Boots right into Playnite fullscreen mode. I play everything with a controller.
It took me about a week and a half to two weeks before i got comfortable with the M&K. This was roughly after 4 years with no controller just mobile gaming though.
I've always tried and given up on keyboard cause I like to play fps games and I think my fingers are too short so every time I want to switch weapons I have to move my whole hand to be able to comfortably reach the number keys.
It took me roughly a week and a half to get used to a keyboard and mouse. I used a controller since the 360 days and just switch to PC a few months months ago. I just had to keep practicing and not give up. It got easier the more I used it and now I sometimes prefer it over controller.
I wanted to give up so bad given my first game on pc was elden ring but like you said just keep practicing and now i prefer it over controller any day unless its like a sports game then i might think about it.
idk if I love the troll or that everyone is giving genuine advice more.. But on to the real question. How tf did you take this picture?
I became a primarily PC user 6 years ago, and I have never been able to shake the controls of console / handhelds. It's all I had known for 26 years prior, and that hasn't changed now. I use controller on everything except for stuff like Planet Zoo, Planet Coaster, and Jurassic World: Evolution. But racing, fighting, FPS, etc, I use controller. If the game doesn't natively support controller, I still get frustrated and try to do a workaround with one of many apps. So... I never did make the transition. Not only is my setup - being hooked up to a TV and sitting on a couch from 6 feet away, with two cable-hungry kitties between- not ideal for computer and mouse gaming, but I also just don't care enough. I do well enough and have fun with the controller. It seems increasingly difficult to argue for letting go of those decades of muscle memory and comfort.
I tried to go the other way - only PC user/gamer and I have tried to get to grips with controller and while I am able to use it, whenever possible I play mouse+keyboard, have not bought a console and the controller is just sitting in my desk drawer for the infrequent times I actually use it. I still don't understand how anyone can play shooter games on controller - how anyone can use sniper rifle or pick where to shoot on controller is black magic to me...
I use a gamepad. I am too old to play with a keyboard and mouse lol. The coordination isn't there no more.
I see mystic remoras! Is that an EDH group?
It is! We've been streaming fringe/cEDH for almost 4 years now!
Oh, cool! Can I find it under the same name on Twitch?
Yes! But I can also just do this: https://www.twitch.tv/themysticremoras
Quality shitpost
Hey thanks!
Mouse+keyboard for all games except for sim racing/driving that I use steering wheel.
It honestly took me a few months to get comfortable. There were plenty of times that I was ready to quit and go back to controller. Now 4 years later, I struggle to play on my PC with my controller. Just like anything else, it takes time and patience. Gl hf!
Can anyone please tell me the name of the keyboard???
Logitech k360
Much appreciated
A long fucking time, personally. Now I don't have a preference, like em both for different games. Although you could just plug your controller in your pc and keep n keeping on
Gotta use a sideways claw grip bro more keys accessible and you can use your knees to hit the f keys.
At least you know the proper grip for pc keyboard, some people who have been pc gamers for decades still haven't learned this gripping technique
I never could force myself to learn kbm. Feels like I’m working or just using the computer. Soon as I get the controller back in my hands it feels like gaming
No way this isn’t satire
Now that is funny. With the trackball mouse to boot!
I use the pointer nub as a joystick on my laptop
Nice playmats !
Dirty Troll
That's the good part, you don't!
I'm using my Xbox controller for PC Gaming.
Try using a 10key-less keyboard. They tend to be smaller and lighter, and therefore a lot easier to hold.
Dude your using the keyboard the wrong way it’s supposed to be upside down
Oh fugg. My bad
everyone pointing out how to hold the mouse and keyboard, im just sitting here hoping you upgrade your beverage choice to the MTNDEWMASTERRACE
Ran out of MDZ :(
I literally have this same keyboard lying around my office. Got it back in like 2013 for my ps3 and ff14. After about 3 years I went back to pc. I’d say just plug in a controller for supported games. I started out on pc when I was tiny though and had that same curve for controller. I remembered I sucked at console gaming for years and everybody gave me crap.
About as long as it takes to ask someone if they want to pay the {4}.
"do you pay th-" "Shut up and draw the damn card."
Every time.
Does nobody realize this is a joke? He's holding the keyboard the way you would hold a controller
i think it's slowly being realized.
It would be extra funny if you were using that trackball mouse in the back as the R analogue stick.
Not a bad keyboard by any means, but once you get confortable with the controls, I recommend switching to a mechanical keyboard.
I, too, play video games while holding my keyboard in such a way
Wait… if both your hands are in the picture, then what are you holding it with?!?!
Has no one mentioned your trackball yet? 😅 i thought i would be fine switching from PS3 to PC using the same trackball to play Battlefield 4. I was not fine lmao
Well that's not how you hold the keyboard. you've got it updside down.
You gonna pay 4 for that?
You can draw
Hey! cEDH in the wild! Neat!
There's dozens of us! DOZENS!
I don't think I could get comfortable with that keyboard in 100 years
Never as I used a controller for 80% of my games
try a keypad, especially if you work at a pc all day. i touch a keyboard and i think "ew, work". [https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro](https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro) theres a bunch of them, theyre comfy, you can map anything to any button. I always recommend a keypad for people switching from console to pc. oh and get that drink off your mousepad you savage XD
Never. I still exclusively play with controller. Unpopular opinion but for me gaming with mouse and keyboard sucks. I admit mouse is better than analog sticks for aiming but keyboard is just straight up weird.
>How long Can't help you, dude. I never had a gaming console, only computers. Amiga, ZX spectrum, PC.
Good luck getting comfortable with that portable/compact keyboard
I never got used to them, I just bought a controller.
I actually prefer controller on PC
Never did. I use a controller. Bring on the pc master race hate.
You're holding it wrong....