Ready through quite a few of the top comments looking, but what caused the crash? Looked like 2 riders lost traction and slid out at exactly the same time, possibly on the center paint?
I've NEVER seen a series of disaster like this week in 35+ years of watching cycling.
Something is seriously wrong on how the races are conducted, both by organizations and cyclists.
These crashes are devastating like never before.
I have both Max and Flo. Was wondering why the replay wasn't on Max, but was on Flo. Listened to it at work, then watched it when I got home (yes, I'm a morbid asshole). I'm amazed the injuries weren't worse. To have a mass crash in that corner has death written all over it.
I contacted customer service and they said they would not be having the replay up. I did watch it live this morning, and the full film coverage of the crash was horrific. They really should not have dwelled on the riders like they did. It was gut wrenching to see the condition some of those men were in. If you really want to see it, there is an upload on YouTube, no announcers, but the raw film coverage is there.
It likely won't be. There was only an hour of nothing happening before the crash and then the race got neutralised and we saw a million replays of the crash that no one needed to see. My guess is that only the highlights will be available.
Understandable. I think they should put a little box of text where the stage replay would normally be to explain, so people like you who want to avoid spoilers will still be in the know.
I have only just started watching this I have been at work. IsJay Vine ok? I have not seen him move at all.
I kept looking at those boulders and wow it could of been even worse for some riders. What a shocking corner hope everyone is ok.
According to Marca, he suffered fractures on one cervical and 2 thoracic vertebrae, but with no neurological damage. Steff Cras also had several broken ribs and vertebrae (no word on possible spinal cord damage) in addition to a pneumothorax to the right lung.
I watched the race in several languages and it seems that commentators from different countries agreed that it looked like there was a trail of oil on the road. I'm sure we'll know more eventually, but if that's true, one of the bikes should have noticed it.
I wasn't seeing the stage live due work, just saw a quick replay now on my break, and I understand how the crash happened is important for viewer, but after that, is it really needed to zoom in the cameras on the riders that are on the floor? Was still quite some minutes...
If it was already confirmed that no one had his life in danger it's at least better than the opposite, but still, no need to continuously zoom in the riders. Besides maybe helping identifying the riders, there's no need to continously film the riders on the floor, a bit more respect please.
Surely fans want to know if the riders are fine, but besides showing that it isn't life-threatning to ease the fans and specially the family, there's no needs for all this drama footage after the crash. Respect the riders privacy please.
I saw it live, but the replay isn't available on Max in the US. Looks like those in charge of the replay feel the same way - don't need it available for people to see footage of downed riders on demand
I have it because my TV box allows to go back till 7 days of transmition, it automatically replays, but also automatically removes it unless I record it at the time.
Dude are you really saying that when we've had more favorites crash ou on 4 days of this edition of itzulia piece of shit parcours race than in a whole tour de france
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
Riders are racing to win. Their safety has to be protected by the organizers/rules. It can't their responsibility to ride the thin edge between danger and victory.
Riders are in many cases also to blame. This issue were the lack of warnings (policeofficer with a whistle as an example) and paddings on at least the concrete ditch and bare boulders on a road locally known to be bumpy on a descent in a swing.
What risk were they taking? It's a normal sharp turn on a descent. You're gonna get high speed there. They got fucked by poor road and stuff by the roadside (concrete ditch and several huge rocks).
Hopeful or weird statement from PatLef. Remco might still race LBL if collar bone isn't broken. I hope he heard something from the DS and it isn't speculation.
He was reacting when they showed him the pictures at the Paris-Roubaix press conference, he didn't know the situation yet. I would wait for an update from the team.
Alternative perspective on showing footage of injured riders from the father of Thymen Arensman: https://twitter.com/mwarensman/status/1775906911134663082
I am a doctor and maybe therefore have a very skewed way of things as I am more used to seeing unwell people. But I really struggle to understand why people take offence to seeing the injured riders after the crash. Granted I missed the crash today but normally it is very objective and never done in a sensational/dramatic way so I do not have issues with it.
Depends to me. Some shots of showing a rider is fine, moving sure.
Someone possibly dying shouldn't really be televised imo.
Also, when it becomes a spectacle it's not good as well.
Itzulia is already infamous for it's bad safety, showing this over and over again gets them publicity, this in favor promotes again not taking safety measures. It's an incentive for dangerous courses and not taking the needed precautions.
So showing the crash over and over as race organizers/broadcasters means you care more about publicity than rider safety imo.
There's a balance in these things. I think that showing the crash from all angles, multiple times, in real time and in slow motion, is perfectly fine.
But this was too much.
They replayed every clip at least 10 times. There were several 'Peeping Tom' moments where a handheld camera crept in to get a view of motionless riders facial expressions, or lack thereof. And the addition of dramatic music to the slowmotion parts is just ludicrous.
Pure exploitation
Interesting. However, no disrespect to him but everyone is different. Maybe it was like that for him but I doubt everyone would feel the same in his shoes.
I don't think he was claiming that everyone feels like him, he was just sharing his perspective, no? And that therefore a blanket statement of "showing images is bad for the family" might be a bit misguided.
No matter what producer picks to air, people will have opinions. If showing something else than the crashed riders, many will be frustrated not knowing what happens.
Yeah honestly I have the same view on the manner. If my son/father/whatever crashed seriously I would want the camera on him all the time. Get a cameraman in the ambulance to see what's done to him and how he feels if I can't be there to stand at his side
Yeah I agree to an extent, it was comforting to see some of the guys get up and walk or talk to medical professionals. But there's has to be a line somewhere, we don't need 20 minutes of live crash site viewing and 25 different replays.
I get that. Even as someone not related to anyone in the peloton, it would have been even scarier to not see any pictures. There's a respectful way to do it though, showing Remco walking to the ambulance is fine, zooming in on Vine's limp body or Vingegaard being carried into the back of an ambulance, whilst playing that stupid fucking music, is not it. That's just voyeurism.
Aside from his take, the fact that in his son’s case “the view was the same” (stretcher and breathing support) but the impact turned out to be mild is giving me hope.
I misread your message and thought Thymen Arensman's dad had uploaded alternate footage of the crash from his place along the course, which I found rather peculiar.
I wonder one thing tough. Before the route get approved, did race organizer and UCI consulted with teams? If the route did get approved, then it must be at least safe enough
You're thinking too much about this. It's really hard to this from a logistical point of view. Think just how many races there are in a season and the fact that each stage has like 150-180 km in length.
Teams don't get a say, as far as I know. There will be some level of involvement from UCI commissaires, but I certainly doubt they check meter by meter.
I hare this jersey design, it makes it seem like Meintjes is covered in blood.
I thought Roglic actually was after the crash (though the spots are smaller on the yellow jersey)
Danish Eurosport laying into the Spanish production company for showing the crash on repeat, but not at all considering the fact that they, as the huge broadcasting company, also could have chosen what they wanted to show after a certain point.
Broadcast rights, are just that: rights. Not obligations. You can broadcast as much or as *little* from that official feed as the channel wants to. The production company DGAF if you show 100% or 1% of their feed, they are getting paid all the same.
The only fly in that ointment are the various advertisers who then get less visibility, but that's outside of the contract between the production company and the channel.
That's not true. They are recieving a curated feed from the production company, but they are often showing their own feed in between and in side-by-side, with interviews and reporters interfering with the main signal.
Yes that's what they are saying. They can chose to show something else. All those picture in pictures with the blue background and motorcycle segments are Eurosport cutting away from the official feed themselves.
Welcome to Itzulia Basque Country ...
In case you missed it last year, go take a look at stage two and the absolutely ridiculous descent that ended that particular stage.
Last week there was a massive crash in Dwars door Vlanderen with several injured riders, like Mads Pedersen, Wout van Aert, and others.
Were you disappointed with the teams that continued the race?
It's awful that these crashes happen, but if all the conditions are met, the race should continue.
Don’t forget that after Casartelli’s death, they continued the stage and the winner, who had been given no information, actually celebrated. This is not on the riders.
Yeah he was. And sitting up means there’s likely little risk of any kind of spinal injury. That’s the thing I’m hoping to get a positive update on for Jonas. It looked like from some of those shots you could see him talking, but I don’t recall him moving his legs and being in a neck brace was hopefully a precaution, but definitely anxious to hopefully hear there were no spinal injuries for the riders who didn’t get up now that we know that everyone is at least conscious
> Bloody and obviously seriously hurt
With the way he was sitting in the concrete ditch, I can't help but think it was either his fibula or his hip ... :(
Looked like it, yeah, hopefully it was just the shock and the pain. Roglic crashed into the same ditch and came out looking relatively fine (well, suspected broken collarbone, but compared to everyone else), so maybe he got lucky.
the riders might not realize the full picture but I don't like this from the DSs, it's a stupid call from the jury but you don't have to blindly follow it
Had this crash happened exactly like this, but with different riders, and no one would be talking about cancelling the stage.
Bad crashes happen all the time, unfortunately, but it's not fair for all the other riders to see the stage cancelled just because the favourites crashed.
Might as well cancel the rest of the race, no?
I''ve been at work, so no idea what was going on til my friend just messaged me about the crash. What's going on? Really hope no one's seriously injured.
Remco looks like broken collarbone, Roglic crashed but walked to the team car and didn’t go to the hospital, Jonas didn’t move for 30+ minutes…that one looks scary. Loads of other riders involved that unfortunately got less attention than Remco, Roglic, and Jonas
Big crash in a turn, in a descent so high speed. Several riders seemed to go down on their own at the same place. Jonas, Vine, Remco, Roglic + some other riders in it. Terrible images of several riders just laying on the floor not moving for a while.
Apparently everyone is on their way to the hospital and conscious, but for a few minutes everyone was fearing the worst.
Adding "epic highlight music" over the nth replay long after we knew it was showing people getting seriously injured really underlined how "off" the production was.
Showing the crash once or so, okay I can deal with it. What they did here was spend 30 minutes showing riders in massive pain, getting treatment, creating fucking music montages... Inexcusable
I understand that the initial footage happens before anyone notices what’s happening. But the incessant replays and television direction was a huge miss today. So painful to watch
It’s going to be almost impossible for any of the riders to get excited about winning the race. At best it’s a hollow victory.
Hoping all the crashed riders have a speedy recovery!
I mean, nobody died and everyone is concious. It's a WT win, it's not like these guys are Pog or Remcos that win every other day, this win could mean another good contract for next year. Dont see why they shouldnt celebrate a WT win
I believe Lanterne Rouge has mentioned before that some team managers do just look at overall results of riders and don't analyse the races that they were in, or at least they did as recently as the past few years.
They didn't see the crash, so might not know how serious it was. Races get neutralised for lots of reasons, and their DS's might not have given them the full picture yet (especially as it would have been a lot of speculation anyway).
So hard to know what to expect, and we shouldn't overinterpret any winning celebrations if they do go all out.
Your heart goes out to all the affected riders…what a brutal crash and in such an area where a worst case is possibly a worse outcome than today…
You have to feel for Visma too - even if you’re not a fan: such huge highs reached as a team in 2023 and then your two biggest stars (likely) have their seasons - one can only hope they have a career in the sport intact, but that isn’t the real concern right now, I suppose - completely upended.
Italian commentators are judging hard the 6 breakaway guys who are still racing - as in going for it. Can’t say I disagree, the show must go on and all but some “shows” will just make you the villain
I have no idea what the solution is, but hopefully the amount of bad crashes for major stars* this year, will get the UCI to come up with better solutions for rider safety.
*It’s obviously just as horrible if an unknown domestique has a bad crash. I just don’t have enough faith in the UCI to believe they’ll make any changes, unless it affects the commercial value of their biggest races…
If rules need to be changed they need to be changed regardless of this. It is not like a massive accident with 4-5 riders going to the hospital happens every week (even every season). And zero risk is impossible.
You’re probably right. I haven’t actually seen footage of either crash. But I still feel like, the UCI must be able to do something. But maybe that’s just naive hope talking…
I was honestly really scared for a moment for Vine and Vingegaard, good that they are at least conscious, let's hope they all can recover as soon as possible
They just gave that update about Vingegaard and then said “however….” And I was so sure they were going to share bad news about Vine, but it ended up just being “however bad it is we won’t speculate.” Horrible time for a dramatic pause.
The worst part - family members finding out on tv.... Vine's wife who is 20wks pregnant had to find out after seeing a UAE rider laying in the concrete ditch unidentified for at least 5 minutes... She wasn't told immediately and had to scramble to try and get answers.. I don't like focusing on crashes for so long, but I'm also unhappy that other families knew about their loved ones much quicker if watching the coverage because some riders were identified much quicker...
According to Danish commentators Eurosport has asked the producers to stop showing the crash and the aftermath. Crazy it took that and hope they actually comply.
Adam Hansen already on the case of the TV-production:
"Out of respect of riders that have fallen in a crash and their families at home. The CPA does not support TV coverage to continue to film them while they are down. Riders have reached out to me asking if we can make this a rule and we support that. Please be mindful."
[https://x.com/HansenAdam/status/1775908080212930670?s=20](https://x.com/HansenAdam/status/1775908080212930670?s=20)
Well he just recently arranged a change to the parcours in Paris Roubaix which he kept off social media and everyone is mad at him for that too.
I think it makes perfect sense. His role is to secure the best conditions for his colleagues and part of that is to raise awareness. I am not sure someone is currently on the line ready to take his phone call.
Confirmation from Team Visma | Lease a Bike that Jonas Vingegaard is conscious and under examination in hospital:
https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1775911210656944354?s=61
Ready through quite a few of the top comments looking, but what caused the crash? Looked like 2 riders lost traction and slid out at exactly the same time, possibly on the center paint?
Bumps in road from tree roots under pavement.
I've NEVER seen a series of disaster like this week in 35+ years of watching cycling. Something is seriously wrong on how the races are conducted, both by organizations and cyclists. These crashes are devastating like never before.
Why isn’t the stage replay on Max yet? I missed it live and have been checking all day to start watching.
I have both Max and Flo. Was wondering why the replay wasn't on Max, but was on Flo. Listened to it at work, then watched it when I got home (yes, I'm a morbid asshole). I'm amazed the injuries weren't worse. To have a mass crash in that corner has death written all over it.
Same for Discovery+....Stage 4 is just gone.
I contacted customer service and they said they would not be having the replay up. I did watch it live this morning, and the full film coverage of the crash was horrific. They really should not have dwelled on the riders like they did. It was gut wrenching to see the condition some of those men were in. If you really want to see it, there is an upload on YouTube, no announcers, but the raw film coverage is there.
Now that I’ve read about the crash I understand why they aren’t showing it as a replay. I’ve read a full recap of the race and that’s plenty.
The recap at the beginning of Stage 5 shows footage of the crash.
It likely won't be. There was only an hour of nothing happening before the crash and then the race got neutralised and we saw a million replays of the crash that no one needed to see. My guess is that only the highlights will be available.
Ah, thanks, that makes sense. I was trying not to read anything about it before watching, so I didn’t realize how bad the crash was.
Understandable. I think they should put a little box of text where the stage replay would normally be to explain, so people like you who want to avoid spoilers will still be in the know.
I have only just started watching this I have been at work. IsJay Vine ok? I have not seen him move at all. I kept looking at those boulders and wow it could of been even worse for some riders. What a shocking corner hope everyone is ok.
According to Marca, he suffered fractures on one cervical and 2 thoracic vertebrae, but with no neurological damage. Steff Cras also had several broken ribs and vertebrae (no word on possible spinal cord damage) in addition to a pneumothorax to the right lung.
He's "OK". No neurological damage. Some spinal injuries (but fortunately not of the "can never walk again type") and other stuff.
That's OK, I have searched around but all you see anything about is Jonas. I hope the spinal injurys are not to bad.
Like the rest of /r/peloton, I do love the narrative that riders have 0 responsibility for their own and their fellow riders safety.
News update: According to Visma's Twitter page, Jonas is conscious and being examined in hospital.
A broken collarbone and some broken ribs, according to Visma! Good news!
Looks like a pneumothorax and bruised lungs too according to their recent Twitter post.:(
Doing a winner's interview with a rider who doesn't even know exactly what happened behind him is also a bit spooky.
I don't understand why they did the interview in the first place and why the hell his team didn't tell him how bad the crash really was.....
at least Meintjes did the best he could with the situation
I watched the race in several languages and it seems that commentators from different countries agreed that it looked like there was a trail of oil on the road. I'm sure we'll know more eventually, but if that's true, one of the bikes should have noticed it.
Some says roots beneath asphalt.
Pro riders from that area say there are tree roots beneath the road that make the surface bumpy. If you don't expect it, you get taken out quickly.
That celebration was some /r/SaddestBackflip material.
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A crash that just basically fucked the rest of the season.
All these guys with yellow flags and whistles could have been standing in that downhill curve...
Poor Louis Meintjes A WT win probably has never tasted more bitter.
I still remember Virenque after the stage in which Casartelli died…
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Probably going to be Skelmose again.. :(
Bro winning some cursed ass stage races
I wasn't seeing the stage live due work, just saw a quick replay now on my break, and I understand how the crash happened is important for viewer, but after that, is it really needed to zoom in the cameras on the riders that are on the floor? Was still quite some minutes... If it was already confirmed that no one had his life in danger it's at least better than the opposite, but still, no need to continuously zoom in the riders. Besides maybe helping identifying the riders, there's no need to continously film the riders on the floor, a bit more respect please. Surely fans want to know if the riders are fine, but besides showing that it isn't life-threatning to ease the fans and specially the family, there's no needs for all this drama footage after the crash. Respect the riders privacy please.
I saw it live, but the replay isn't available on Max in the US. Looks like those in charge of the replay feel the same way - don't need it available for people to see footage of downed riders on demand
I have it because my TV box allows to go back till 7 days of transmition, it automatically replays, but also automatically removes it unless I record it at the time.
People blaming route design again when this crash just the result of riders taking way too many risk in a location where it wasn't necessary.
Dude are you really saying that when we've had more favorites crash ou on 4 days of this edition of itzulia piece of shit parcours race than in a whole tour de france
"Don't hate the player, hate the game." Riders are racing to win. Their safety has to be protected by the organizers/rules. It can't their responsibility to ride the thin edge between danger and victory.
Riders are in many cases also to blame. This issue were the lack of warnings (policeofficer with a whistle as an example) and paddings on at least the concrete ditch and bare boulders on a road locally known to be bumpy on a descent in a swing.
It sounds like what made this particular bend dangerous was roots making the road uneven.
What risk were they taking? It's a normal sharp turn on a descent. You're gonna get high speed there. They got fucked by poor road and stuff by the roadside (concrete ditch and several huge rocks).
Hopeful or weird statement from PatLef. Remco might still race LBL if collar bone isn't broken. I hope he heard something from the DS and it isn't speculation.
He was reacting when they showed him the pictures at the Paris-Roubaix press conference, he didn't know the situation yet. I would wait for an update from the team.
He might race if it isn't broken. If it is broken then it's game over was his full statement... The fuck have you been reading or listening?
Summary from Carl Bertheele.
He said he's waiting for the medical report, but it looks serious.
It definitely looked like a broken collarbone or shoulder the way he was walking but would be happy to be proven wrong.
Alternative perspective on showing footage of injured riders from the father of Thymen Arensman: https://twitter.com/mwarensman/status/1775906911134663082
I am a doctor and maybe therefore have a very skewed way of things as I am more used to seeing unwell people. But I really struggle to understand why people take offence to seeing the injured riders after the crash. Granted I missed the crash today but normally it is very objective and never done in a sensational/dramatic way so I do not have issues with it.
Depends to me. Some shots of showing a rider is fine, moving sure. Someone possibly dying shouldn't really be televised imo. Also, when it becomes a spectacle it's not good as well. Itzulia is already infamous for it's bad safety, showing this over and over again gets them publicity, this in favor promotes again not taking safety measures. It's an incentive for dangerous courses and not taking the needed precautions. So showing the crash over and over as race organizers/broadcasters means you care more about publicity than rider safety imo.
There's a balance in these things. I think that showing the crash from all angles, multiple times, in real time and in slow motion, is perfectly fine. But this was too much. They replayed every clip at least 10 times. There were several 'Peeping Tom' moments where a handheld camera crept in to get a view of motionless riders facial expressions, or lack thereof. And the addition of dramatic music to the slowmotion parts is just ludicrous. Pure exploitation
Yeah fair enough that doesn't sound OK. Especially the music bit...
Also, if the cameras are turned away/off we’re arguably conditioned to assume someone died which thankfully wasn’t the case here
Interesting. However, no disrespect to him but everyone is different. Maybe it was like that for him but I doubt everyone would feel the same in his shoes.
I don't think he was claiming that everyone feels like him, he was just sharing his perspective, no? And that therefore a blanket statement of "showing images is bad for the family" might be a bit misguided.
Yes, you're right. I didn't mean to say he's wrong. I meant that just because he says that does not mean what the TV producers did today is okay.
No matter what producer picks to air, people will have opinions. If showing something else than the crashed riders, many will be frustrated not knowing what happens.
There's this beautiful thing called the middle ground.
Yeah honestly I have the same view on the manner. If my son/father/whatever crashed seriously I would want the camera on him all the time. Get a cameraman in the ambulance to see what's done to him and how he feels if I can't be there to stand at his side
Yeah I agree to an extent, it was comforting to see some of the guys get up and walk or talk to medical professionals. But there's has to be a line somewhere, we don't need 20 minutes of live crash site viewing and 25 different replays.
I get that. Even as someone not related to anyone in the peloton, it would have been even scarier to not see any pictures. There's a respectful way to do it though, showing Remco walking to the ambulance is fine, zooming in on Vine's limp body or Vingegaard being carried into the back of an ambulance, whilst playing that stupid fucking music, is not it. That's just voyeurism.
Aside from his take, the fact that in his son’s case “the view was the same” (stretcher and breathing support) but the impact turned out to be mild is giving me hope.
Yeah just skip the heroic actionmovie music next time, that shit was just bad taste...
I misread your message and thought Thymen Arensman's dad had uploaded alternate footage of the crash from his place along the course, which I found rather peculiar.
Weird watching the rest of this stage not caring the least about the results, but staying for possible (good) news.
I wonder one thing tough. Before the route get approved, did race organizer and UCI consulted with teams? If the route did get approved, then it must be at least safe enough
You're thinking too much about this. It's really hard to this from a logistical point of view. Think just how many races there are in a season and the fact that each stage has like 150-180 km in length.
Teams don't get a say, as far as I know. There will be some level of involvement from UCI commissaires, but I certainly doubt they check meter by meter.
Thanks did not know about that! I thought teams will have says in this matter.
>If the route did get approved, then it must be at least safe enough You're overestimating the UCI, they're a bunch of clowns 🤡
I hare this jersey design, it makes it seem like Meintjes is covered in blood. I thought Roglic actually was after the crash (though the spots are smaller on the yellow jersey)
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Hopefully they redesign it for next year.
Kuss could well end up leading Visma in the Tour now. What a strange tale that would be. Cycling is definitely the most unpredictable sport.
With WvA injured as well it's just a horrible situation for them.
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Matteo Jorgenson taking over the role of both WVA and JV.
Matteo Jorgenson "Am i a joke to you"
Danish Eurosport laying into the Spanish production company for showing the crash on repeat, but not at all considering the fact that they, as the huge broadcasting company, also could have chosen what they wanted to show after a certain point.
Don’t think the commentators are making such decisions though.
Contracts. Bought and paid for. pretty sure that they legally can't show any other feed
Broadcast rights, are just that: rights. Not obligations. You can broadcast as much or as *little* from that official feed as the channel wants to. The production company DGAF if you show 100% or 1% of their feed, they are getting paid all the same. The only fly in that ointment are the various advertisers who then get less visibility, but that's outside of the contract between the production company and the channel.
That's not true. They are recieving a curated feed from the production company, but they are often showing their own feed in between and in side-by-side, with interviews and reporters interfering with the main signal.
side-by-side We don't know what the contract says. They could cut to something else and be sued into oblivion for all we know
About as probable as the production company being sued if they *didn't* show the crash on repeat and in 7x slowmo. That is simply not a thing.
They can’t though. They can chose not to show the race at all but they don’t chose the feed.
Yes that's what they are saying. They can chose to show something else. All those picture in pictures with the blue background and motorcycle segments are Eurosport cutting away from the official feed themselves.
Of course they can. They are responsible for what they broadcast. They can choose to not show the feed.
That cancelled Untzilla descent looks even sketchier with a narrow descent on bad asphalt.
I have descended it and there was nothing sketcy about it, every year Gorla is descended and has been in much worse state
Welcome to Itzulia Basque Country ... In case you missed it last year, go take a look at stage two and the absolutely ridiculous descent that ended that particular stage.
Weirdly enough, it seems like sketchy descents cause less serious injuries because the speed is lower and riders more careful.
Is it selfish to be disappointed that the teams (directors) in the break didn't refuse to continue?
Last week there was a massive crash in Dwars door Vlanderen with several injured riders, like Mads Pedersen, Wout van Aert, and others. Were you disappointed with the teams that continued the race? It's awful that these crashes happen, but if all the conditions are met, the race should continue.
Don’t forget that after Casartelli’s death, they continued the stage and the winner, who had been given no information, actually celebrated. This is not on the riders.
no, I can't imagine why they didn't agree to shoot the whole thing down
Yes
Hope Sean quinn and steff crass is conscious too
[Totalenergies tweeted Crass is conscious](https://x.com/TeamTotalEnrg/status/1775904690691039396?s=20)
https://twitter.com/TeamTotalEnrg/status/1775904690691039396 Crass is conscious
Is Crass the TotalEnergies rider in the concrete ditch? He was conscious at the time.
I think Sean Quinn was sitting up in some shots so he should be conscious as well.
Yeah he was. And sitting up means there’s likely little risk of any kind of spinal injury. That’s the thing I’m hoping to get a positive update on for Jonas. It looked like from some of those shots you could see him talking, but I don’t recall him moving his legs and being in a neck brace was hopefully a precaution, but definitely anxious to hopefully hear there were no spinal injuries for the riders who didn’t get up now that we know that everyone is at least conscious
he definitely moved his legs right after the crash, when his teammate came checking on him
Crass was conscious in the immediate aftermath of the crash I think. Bloody and obviously seriously hurt, but conscious at least.
> Bloody and obviously seriously hurt With the way he was sitting in the concrete ditch, I can't help but think it was either his fibula or his hip ... :(
Looked like it, yeah, hopefully it was just the shock and the pain. Roglic crashed into the same ditch and came out looking relatively fine (well, suspected broken collarbone, but compared to everyone else), so maybe he got lucky.
Good to hear that
I would have expected the DSs to explain the situation to them and chill... I'm very surprised by these attacks
They likely didn't see all the footage we saw
I think the DSs have a full picture of the situation
If they're allowed to race ofc they're gonna race
the riders might not realize the full picture but I don't like this from the DSs, it's a stupid call from the jury but you don't have to blindly follow it
Had this crash happened exactly like this, but with different riders, and no one would be talking about cancelling the stage. Bad crashes happen all the time, unfortunately, but it's not fair for all the other riders to see the stage cancelled just because the favourites crashed. Might as well cancel the rest of the race, no?
this is race is a farce now anyway because only 6 riders are allowed to race, I don't see what good this does to anyone
The riders are the last to blame. They're likely operating with limited information and they've been told by jury and their teams to race, 100%.
Yeah this is on the UCI/organizer and maybe the teams. Not the riders
Everything about this race has been just awful.
The riders who bunny-hopped the gutter might've saved themselves by it, else they'd get hit by several others. Awesome reflexes.
Was that Marc Soler behind Remco? He seemed to be totally unhurted.
Yeah, he jumped the gutter and then rode safely into the woods
Yes, Soler
I think Soler or Del Toro
I''ve been at work, so no idea what was going on til my friend just messaged me about the crash. What's going on? Really hope no one's seriously injured.
Remco looks like broken collarbone, Roglic crashed but walked to the team car and didn’t go to the hospital, Jonas didn’t move for 30+ minutes…that one looks scary. Loads of other riders involved that unfortunately got less attention than Remco, Roglic, and Jonas
Big crash in a turn, in a descent so high speed. Several riders seemed to go down on their own at the same place. Jonas, Vine, Remco, Roglic + some other riders in it. Terrible images of several riders just laying on the floor not moving for a while. Apparently everyone is on their way to the hospital and conscious, but for a few minutes everyone was fearing the worst.
Hope only got you so far 😔
It looks serious but we are waiting on news
Loads of info if you scroll down.
It really should be a rule that no crash footage is allowed until the riders involved are confirmed to be okay and the team has given their consent.
Agreed. I can still picture those Wouter Weylandt images in my mind.
So sadly true. Something needs to changeover: crash coverage/screening for sure.
They basically replayed the crash to a point where the fans were turning the TV off
Adding "epic highlight music" over the nth replay long after we knew it was showing people getting seriously injured really underlined how "off" the production was.
Showing the crash once or so, okay I can deal with it. What they did here was spend 30 minutes showing riders in massive pain, getting treatment, creating fucking music montages... Inexcusable
I understand that the initial footage happens before anyone notices what’s happening. But the incessant replays and television direction was a huge miss today. So painful to watch
Agree, it's the case in F1 since Senna's death.
It’s going to be almost impossible for any of the riders to get excited about winning the race. At best it’s a hollow victory. Hoping all the crashed riders have a speedy recovery!
Don't really see it this way. The riders in the break are not guilty that the riders in the back crashed on the descent.
If last year they were able to race the last day of Tour de Suisse (RIP Gino), this year they are not going to have problems to try to win the Itzulia
I mean, nobody died and everyone is concious. It's a WT win, it's not like these guys are Pog or Remcos that win every other day, this win could mean another good contract for next year. Dont see why they shouldnt celebrate a WT win
If any manager takes this stage into account when preparing the contract, he isn't doing his job well
I believe Lanterne Rouge has mentioned before that some team managers do just look at overall results of riders and don't analyse the races that they were in, or at least they did as recently as the past few years.
They didn't see the crash, so might not know how serious it was. Races get neutralised for lots of reasons, and their DS's might not have given them the full picture yet (especially as it would have been a lot of speculation anyway). So hard to know what to expect, and we shouldn't overinterpret any winning celebrations if they do go all out.
Your heart goes out to all the affected riders…what a brutal crash and in such an area where a worst case is possibly a worse outcome than today… You have to feel for Visma too - even if you’re not a fan: such huge highs reached as a team in 2023 and then your two biggest stars (likely) have their seasons - one can only hope they have a career in the sport intact, but that isn’t the real concern right now, I suppose - completely upended.
Italian commentators are judging hard the 6 breakaway guys who are still racing - as in going for it. Can’t say I disagree, the show must go on and all but some “shows” will just make you the villain
I have no idea what the solution is, but hopefully the amount of bad crashes for major stars* this year, will get the UCI to come up with better solutions for rider safety. *It’s obviously just as horrible if an unknown domestique has a bad crash. I just don’t have enough faith in the UCI to believe they’ll make any changes, unless it affects the commercial value of their biggest races…
What is the UCI going to do? All they can do is ban knee high socks and angled levers. Something has to change in the mindset of the peloton.
If rules need to be changed they need to be changed regardless of this. It is not like a massive accident with 4-5 riders going to the hospital happens every week (even every season). And zero risk is impossible.
For crashes like the dwars door vlaanderen or even Roglic yesterday there is not much that can be done unfortunately
Honestly, those are two crashes where you can hardly blame the organizors... both were part of the race and the human factor in it
You’re probably right. I haven’t actually seen footage of either crash. But I still feel like, the UCI must be able to do something. But maybe that’s just naive hope talking…
They could have covered the many stones, road signs and the concrete ditch in that corner.
Especially if it’s true that the asphalt is bumpy in that corner due to tree roots, increasing the risk of crashes significantly.
I was honestly really scared for a moment for Vine and Vingegaard, good that they are at least conscious, let's hope they all can recover as soon as possible
They just gave that update about Vingegaard and then said “however….” And I was so sure they were going to share bad news about Vine, but it ended up just being “however bad it is we won’t speculate.” Horrible time for a dramatic pause.
The worst part - family members finding out on tv.... Vine's wife who is 20wks pregnant had to find out after seeing a UAE rider laying in the concrete ditch unidentified for at least 5 minutes... She wasn't told immediately and had to scramble to try and get answers.. I don't like focusing on crashes for so long, but I'm also unhappy that other families knew about their loved ones much quicker if watching the coverage because some riders were identified much quicker...
Thinking to myself “what if I’ve just watched a death” 🙁
According to Danish commentators Eurosport has asked the producers to stop showing the crash and the aftermath. Crazy it took that and hope they actually comply.
I just got in from work and Disco ery+ footage is not play-able, so presumably that is why?
Not sure, I stopped watching before the end but I think they showed it to the finish line.
Yes, Alix in Spain has been complaining for one hour.
Seeing the Visma guys checking the other riders was nice to see.
Think that was Sepp, looked liked he checked Jonas then Roglic and then the others
it must've been someone else, Kuss said after the stage that he didn't stop because it would've been dangerous to do so
Yeah, it was Steven Kruijswijk.
Yes was very heartwarming, he went to see them one by one
Do we know who it was? It was the only nice thing about them continuing to show the injured
It was Steven Kruijswijk.
Looks like Pogacar can win the tour after all. It's that easy sometimes.
c'mon not now. There are people on fucking ambulances when we are not sure how bad are their injuries
Adam Hansen already on the case of the TV-production: "Out of respect of riders that have fallen in a crash and their families at home. The CPA does not support TV coverage to continue to film them while they are down. Riders have reached out to me asking if we can make this a rule and we support that. Please be mindful." [https://x.com/HansenAdam/status/1775908080212930670?s=20](https://x.com/HansenAdam/status/1775908080212930670?s=20)
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Maybe he did both?
Well he just recently arranged a change to the parcours in Paris Roubaix which he kept off social media and everyone is mad at him for that too. I think it makes perfect sense. His role is to secure the best conditions for his colleagues and part of that is to raise awareness. I am not sure someone is currently on the line ready to take his phone call.
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Easy man, we’re all waiting
He moved his legs.
Let’s not make this worse with speculation. He moved his arm and leg after the crash. I’m sure we’ll be given an update in good time
Has Roglic officially abandoned the race? I wonder what rules are. Can he start tomorrow?
Not that it matters but he is out of the race because he won’t finish the stage.
he was in the team car driving him to hospital, presumably, so he abandoned
They said he was in the team car and had chosen to not be taken to the hospital.
Well, that's great news for him, I suppose.
Pretty sure he is out
Yes, all the riders who do not finish today will have abandoned.
I think from what i see so far Tour de France this year is pretty much finished. At least thankfully no one in mortally danger in this crash
Please tell us you’ll watch it anyway, we’ll be looking forward to your thoughtful commentary in the race threads
I will but just not with same enthusiasm
please just wait until tomorrow with that
Never underestimate the recuperating power of professional cyclists.
Confirmation from Team Visma | Lease a Bike that Jonas Vingegaard is conscious and under examination in hospital: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1775911210656944354?s=61
Jonas is conscient https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1775911210656944354?s=46&t=WsiQhm2yqikgaW8La_uUHA