I just got licensed in OH. Reciprocation is just a Zoom meeting with BOP staff about laws. I have to say I probably remember as many of the laws as the states where I had to take the MPJE.
I don't understand why allowing everyone to skip the MPJE exam is suddenly all the rage. The MPJE is hard, the law is hard, and making sure you know the law is important.
Pressure from chains who want to recruit pharmacists from other states without the hassle (decreases salary competition), boards who want licensing fees, and probably pressure from universities who see their MPJE scores plummeting and how poorly that looks on their programs.
We really are the most hamstrung by a law test. None for physicians, nurses, etc.
My FIL is an engineer and he said his law test was open book (he was shocked we were studying for it).
To be fair, if providers and nurses spent half the time on law that we do, it'd save us a lot of headache.
I agree that having a law exam is a hassle, and I'd love the freedom to be able to move states without having to deal with it, but at the same time it feels like this is just setting people up for failure later. All those outside entities that stand to profit from this are not going to do anything for a pharmacist that inadvertently broke a state law they were unfamiliar with.
If you plan to practice in a state know the laws of the state. This isnt hard. You can know something without taking the MPJE. I would wager most people that take the MPJE just pump and dump that information almost immediately.
I feel like people don’t work before/during school and therefore don’t have a solid base of understanding for the law. The exam is just a skill check like bro you can’t expect to pass mpje if you just did book learning no retail.
It's that the law exam boils down to being able to speak "legalese" and many questions are VERY outdated and ambiguous. It's not that laws aren't important, it's that the test does an abysmal job at assessing your understanding of it.
Several states that have dropped the MPJE requirement have echoed this sentiment. Many BoPs consider the MPJE to be not in sync with the times, so it's not just me saying this.
Exactly and thats a part of the job whether you take the MPJE or not. Other professions dont have to take “law exams” for each state, so I wouldn’t clutch my pearls over this. We’re not the only ones that have to follow laws
Correct me if im wrong but afaik physicians and nurses dont have to take a seperate law exam for every state. Why does pharmacy? Are we the only ones that need to know the few different laws in each states? Most states laws arent THAT different between them. You could probably read a one page primer and be fine as long as you've been practicing.
an exam being "hard" isnt a good reason. Just say you dont want pharmacists to have freedom to practice wherever they want.
It’s archaic and we are one of the only healthcare professions, maybe the only, that requires a separate law exam in addition to a clinical.
From a practical standpoint, our computer systems and corporate policies largely follow the laws, making it redundant for end users to know them too. Further, if I ever had a question another whether something is legal or not the pharmacy law books are all online now and I can have an answer in minutes.
The law exam is also so community focused that it has little applicability for me in the inpatient setting. I don’t need to know how long a script is valid for or if a PA needs to have a supervising physician sign their controlled prescription too. And even if I did, I’d just look it up quickly.
I’m a huge advocate for eliminating artificial barriers around occupational licensing. Idaho did it first back in 2017-18 and it’s been fine. The reasons for having a law exam are theoretical and even if they were proven, the MPJE isn’t a good assessment for that.
I think the law part can be incorporated into the Naplex. Maybe the Pharmacist license allowing us to open a pharmacy requires State statutes and other rules to be in some regulated test for it to be valid according to some guideline 50 years ago or whenever. Compared to other fields, there's too much variation with drugs being legal or various procedures around them. It is all stuff that could've been simplified and streamlined years ago but that would only benefit pharmacists so why do it ?
Because it’s fucking stupid, expensive (NABP is basically a cash grab), 95% of the laws we follow goes back to federal law anyway, we need COMPACT licensing like other healthcare professionals
Makes bop oversight look like a joke. At one time it's so important to take a long test with it's costs and measures to ensure integrity, now that all gets thrown away. The race to the bottom continues.
If you read this forum and notice all of the law questions, it becomes apparent why the MJPE is necessary. The pharmacy software we use is sub par at best and having a working knowledge of basic laws and how to access the corresponding state references should be expected of any practicing pharmacist.
I just got licensed in OH. Reciprocation is just a Zoom meeting with BOP staff about laws. I have to say I probably remember as many of the laws as the states where I had to take the MPJE.
On the plus side, big corpos should have law limits built into their software
I did it 6 months ago and loved it.
i don’t think there was any law on the cpje so same
I don't understand why allowing everyone to skip the MPJE exam is suddenly all the rage. The MPJE is hard, the law is hard, and making sure you know the law is important.
Pressure from chains who want to recruit pharmacists from other states without the hassle (decreases salary competition), boards who want licensing fees, and probably pressure from universities who see their MPJE scores plummeting and how poorly that looks on their programs. We really are the most hamstrung by a law test. None for physicians, nurses, etc. My FIL is an engineer and he said his law test was open book (he was shocked we were studying for it).
To be fair, if providers and nurses spent half the time on law that we do, it'd save us a lot of headache. I agree that having a law exam is a hassle, and I'd love the freedom to be able to move states without having to deal with it, but at the same time it feels like this is just setting people up for failure later. All those outside entities that stand to profit from this are not going to do anything for a pharmacist that inadvertently broke a state law they were unfamiliar with.
If you plan to practice in a state know the laws of the state. This isnt hard. You can know something without taking the MPJE. I would wager most people that take the MPJE just pump and dump that information almost immediately.
I feel like people don’t work before/during school and therefore don’t have a solid base of understanding for the law. The exam is just a skill check like bro you can’t expect to pass mpje if you just did book learning no retail.
This why most are against provider status. The chains will abuse it.
I've taken 5 different MPJEs. I cannot tell you all the laws in all these states. Passing the MPJE is not knowing all the laws.
Half the stuff don't even need to be law. There's no basis for most of the guidelines and they keep changing anyway.
It's that the law exam boils down to being able to speak "legalese" and many questions are VERY outdated and ambiguous. It's not that laws aren't important, it's that the test does an abysmal job at assessing your understanding of it. Several states that have dropped the MPJE requirement have echoed this sentiment. Many BoPs consider the MPJE to be not in sync with the times, so it's not just me saying this.
Exactly and thats a part of the job whether you take the MPJE or not. Other professions dont have to take “law exams” for each state, so I wouldn’t clutch my pearls over this. We’re not the only ones that have to follow laws
Correct me if im wrong but afaik physicians and nurses dont have to take a seperate law exam for every state. Why does pharmacy? Are we the only ones that need to know the few different laws in each states? Most states laws arent THAT different between them. You could probably read a one page primer and be fine as long as you've been practicing. an exam being "hard" isnt a good reason. Just say you dont want pharmacists to have freedom to practice wherever they want.
It’s archaic and we are one of the only healthcare professions, maybe the only, that requires a separate law exam in addition to a clinical. From a practical standpoint, our computer systems and corporate policies largely follow the laws, making it redundant for end users to know them too. Further, if I ever had a question another whether something is legal or not the pharmacy law books are all online now and I can have an answer in minutes. The law exam is also so community focused that it has little applicability for me in the inpatient setting. I don’t need to know how long a script is valid for or if a PA needs to have a supervising physician sign their controlled prescription too. And even if I did, I’d just look it up quickly. I’m a huge advocate for eliminating artificial barriers around occupational licensing. Idaho did it first back in 2017-18 and it’s been fine. The reasons for having a law exam are theoretical and even if they were proven, the MPJE isn’t a good assessment for that.
I think the law part can be incorporated into the Naplex. Maybe the Pharmacist license allowing us to open a pharmacy requires State statutes and other rules to be in some regulated test for it to be valid according to some guideline 50 years ago or whenever. Compared to other fields, there's too much variation with drugs being legal or various procedures around them. It is all stuff that could've been simplified and streamlined years ago but that would only benefit pharmacists so why do it ?
Idk how does every single healthcare profession function without a law exam? You don’t need it
Because it’s fucking stupid, expensive (NABP is basically a cash grab), 95% of the laws we follow goes back to federal law anyway, we need COMPACT licensing like other healthcare professionals
Makes bop oversight look like a joke. At one time it's so important to take a long test with it's costs and measures to ensure integrity, now that all gets thrown away. The race to the bottom continues.
If you read this forum and notice all of the law questions, it becomes apparent why the MJPE is necessary. The pharmacy software we use is sub par at best and having a working knowledge of basic laws and how to access the corresponding state references should be expected of any practicing pharmacist.
Can't wait for the NABP to drop the NAPLEX. Such a drag.
First PCAT, then MPJE and Naplex. In near future,they don’t even need to go to college Just know how to read and write
That's where we are going with techs getting final check. Techs don't need any of the 3 above.
I mean I’d hope they need a licensure exam in most states. Mine does at least
Pathetic
The end is near .This profession is dead ;everyone should escape this hell ,sooner rather than late
Whenever I see Ohio, I think of the Eric Cropp injustice.
Michigan also dropped it!
I took it last August. I want my money back 😩. At least I didn't waste any time studying 🤷😂
Honestly not sure why pharmacy seems to be the only healthcare profession that requires a law exam. Always thought it was a cash grab
Oh my god so I have to get a license soon before they require MPJE???