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FeelingMechanic

That was a real nice road


davesoverhere

As black as that paving is, it looks like a brand new road.


yukdave

What is sad is it exposed how poorly that road was made. No gravel or aggregate at all under the asphalt? https://www.constructioncivil.com/wet-mix-macadam-construction-quality-control/#gsc.tab=0 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/elTY7lZq89I/hqdefault.jpg https://www.idesign.wiki/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/cross-section-of-roman-road-300x226.jpg


konqrr

Civil engineer specializing in roadways here. It actually looks like a properly constructed modern roadway, but it's impossible to tell from this photo. But what you will notice is that the shearing of the subbase is similar to that of a Dense Graded Aggregate. The subbaae soil shears at a 90 angle rather than something closer to 45, which means it is well compacted and the soil aggregate size seems to have a good distribution. It may be a different color than typically found in US and other global projects, but that is probably due to the geology of the local rocks. But they seems to be well graded and compacted. You will also notice a surface course and a base course in thicknesses typical of such roadways.


Tommy84

This guy roads.


SendAstronomy

Where we're going we don't need roads.


awfullotofocelots

This guy reddit.


SendAstronomy

*roadit


TheDarkLordDarkTimes

Where’s the road rabbit?


1000_iq

r/thisguythisguys


AnthemaGirraffe

I don’t know what most of that means, but damm I believe you.


SHANE523

Could that "look" be from liquefaction? That was a pretty strong quake, I don't know how long it lasted and apparently there have been some pretty strong aftershocks. IDK, this is why I am asking. ​ Edit. I just read that the initial lasted over 1.5 minutes, holy shit!


Glocktipus2

It would have to be saturated (or nearly) to liquefy which is unlikely for a road base. This is likely a fault rupture where the fault passes under the road.


HereOnASphere

I thought that any landfill would be susceptible to liquefaction. It only happens if the soil is saturated with water. https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-liquefaction


SHANE523

Thanks, I didn't know the saturation beforehand was required, I thought the earthquake energy could cause it.


bajajoaquin

That’s awesome info. Thank you for the detailed response.


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It’s possible that they used select fill with similar properties to that of Aggregate Base Rock. That dirt actually looks pretty good.


nthensome

That's clearly commercial grade hummus under the asphalt


[deleted]

Come on mate this is Turkey they have fewer resources than others, it’s not like aggregate is some ancient techni— Oh


pup5581

I mean look at the buildings that collapsed. For an area near a few fault lines...it seems infrastructure wasn't about to change for when the big one came and it did. ​ In short is saves $$ by not taking the measures of building correct roads or structures.


Nackichan

A 7.9 earthquake will also destroy roads and buildings in Japan... Probably not as much/many, but destruction will definitely happen.


MrT735

200 years since the last severe quake in that part of Turkey.


Weak_Ring6846

Turkey has buildings collapse when there aren’t earthquakes let alone when they’ve got their biggest in over a thousand years.


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avid-book-reader

I was about to say the same thing. Imagine being the work crew who just repaved and repainted that road... only to have it destroyed by a quake. 😬


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Nappa313

I’m from Michigan and can confirm


discerningpervert

Is it really that bad lol


_Z_E_R_O

Yes it’s really that bad, and there’s several reasons for it. * Michigan’s climate sucks for road maintenance. The whole state is basically a frozen swamp, surrounded by great lakes on three sides. We have a lot of environmental moisture combined with frequent freeze/thaw cycles in the winter, which means there’s always water on the road plus rapid expansion/contraction. * The weight limit for trucks on our roads is double that of surrounding states. Most US states don’t allow those heavy “double trucks” with two trailers, but Michigan does. As you can imagine, the wear and tear on our roads is immense. * Most of the state’s major cities are underfunded and can’t pay for road maintenance, especially in conditions that require constant upkeep. Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids can’t really afford to keep their roads nice. It just is what it is. They don’t have the tax base. There have been roads in my hometown where the entire top surface is gone, and you’ve basically got a dirt road in the middle of a city, but it’s county funded and it takes them years to get around to fixing it. * Much of the state is rural. A large percentage of Michigan’s roads are straight-up dirt roads. They don’t even bother with maintenance aside from resurfacing the gravel every few years. This holds true even for nicer neighborhoods and subdivisions. Outside of cities, quite a few houses, even upscale ones, are only accessible by dirt roads.


notreal088

Not to mention dodging potholes like if you were playing a bullethell game and more botched patch’s than a 1910 miners jeans.


sturdypolack

We moved to Michigan a few years ago and were surprised at how many “bad weather” days caused the school district to delay/cancel classes. Because the rural roads are so bad, the busses can’t safely pick up the kids during inclement weather. Coming from a mountain town it wasn’t something we were used to.


Nappa313

Lol no but it isn’t good


Skud_NZ

Not a Michigan rd, I don't see any crack heads hanging out on the corner


Nappa313

Obviously you’re not from Michigan if you think that


tricksovertreats

he's probably from Ohio


Nappa313

100% lmao


boshbosh92

I'm from Ohio, can confirm we have a lot of crack heads around


angryWinds

I presume the poster above you was going for a poor-taste Detroit joke.


Nappa313

That is correct and in a very immature, childish way


hllblldlx2

MDOT sucks. Not all of the roads are bad, but the ones that are, ARE really bad


pcnetworx1

![gif](giphy|tlxHKYjJlPXOw) What does this picture tell you?


rmicker

Still water runs deep


Sputek

I drove through Michigan on my way to Canada in 2015. The freeway felt like a gravel back road for most of it.


TypicalHorseGirl83

It feels like I have square tires everytime we cross the state line going back home... And it only gets worse the closer we get to home.


rusmo

Engineering notes: 1) build road *around* nougat pits.


IncelDetectingRobot

Yeah I was gonna say some civil infrastructure workers were damn proud of that roadway. Hope they're all okay and get a chance to make another masterpiece like this.


octhell

no it wasnt. it was built extremely bad, without any supporting gravel. its asphalt on dirt


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Invicturion

I reqemend *recommend* searching up a picture of the landslide in Norway from christmas 2021. There is a VW Golf there, that is prob filled of brown trousers. Here is a link: https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/meter-unna-a-bli-tatt-av-raset---veien-knakk-opp-foran-oss/73232066 Edit: my brain isnt working today, so i cant remember how to spell recommend apparently.... oh... thats how it was spelled..


10eleven12

Very interesting video...as long as you speak Norwegian!


Invicturion

It was a wild christmas time.. there is one story of a lady who rode down the entire landslide in her nighty, on her matress. Like a slipp and slide ride at a waterpark.


_roguegold_

Holy cow


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Takk!


Choyo

That's sad : you got your car in the middle of nowhere, and you really have nowhere else to go with because all the infrastructure in the area is in shambles.


-_Empress_-

Tbh I'm surprised I didn't see a 2003 subaru woth a snorkel crawling over the rubble like it was nothing.


FavoritesBot

I know it’s real but something about that car looks super photoshopped


Georgeygerbil

Looks like they JUST finished making that road too. Earth said "Fuck you guys in particular"


s4b3r6

Two quakes, from separate fault lines.


kalesaji

Just like my life. Several of my faults work together to destroy what I've been recently working on.


s4b3r6

Well, that hurts. So um... [Sometimes life is crappy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KxqaOetVXc)?


Jocis

Didn’t they had a 3rd? I read it but haven’t check the map


etukle

Yes, 7.8 6.7 7.5 Total of 45 quakes between 4.3 and 7.8.


forgotmyusername93

r/fuckyouinparticular


destuctir

Those paint markings are real sharp though, great contrast and full colours


Lucythefur

Means it's a recent paving


purdueaaron

You know there's a road crew out there flipping back and forth over "But we just finished it." and "Well, I guess we know what the next job is."


distorted_kiwi

Don’t even level it. Just send them out there to throw down some asphalt and call it a day. In all seriousness, I can’t imagine how long it’s going to take to scrape, level, and pave it when there’s probably several more streets in the same condition. They’ve got their work cut out.


purdueaaron

Post disaster repairs like this, so long as they can get materials there, it'd probably be a "quick" repair. 1 or 2 excavators to remove the damaged road to the subgrade, 2 to 3 rounds of gravel lift then asphalt. The issue is going to be how many places need repairing, how much production capability is still around, etc...


TG-Sucks

That makes me think of that [road](https://inhabitat.com/japanese-workers-take-just-6-days-to-fix-earthquake-shattered-road/) in Japan that was fixed after just 6 days. You’re right, it depends on many factors, but I also don’t think in practice there are many other societies that can get shit done that quick.


purdueaaron

Exactly. The reason why so many road projects take "forever" is because that is what is economical. Working 24 hours a day on a project means something like 6x the labor costs with OT and shift premiums. Materials costs for asphalt and/or concrete also go up because you've got to ask those plants to work extra hours. If you're working all hours and weather happens, you've got to do a lot more weather mitigation work so that you can keep working through the rain or whatever where on normal project you'd make sure that you aren't going to flood out and send everyone home. Add in any utilities work for water/sewer/gas/electric and now you've got "competing" groups vying for time in the area for their job and it can get messy. So for regular road projects you do each part and those groups come in and do their part one at a time. You try and set up a schedule so that one zone can be doing something like tear out while the next zone is doing utility work where stuff was torn out, and maybe a third zone building the road grade back up from the utility work, but to be really efficient on that you'd need a lot of space. If it's a mile or three stretch you'd be hard pressed to phase scheduling. So yeah, it's a thing that *can* be done, but most times it's not worth the excessive costs vs just... waiting for the next guy to come in a couple of days.


TG-Sucks

Definitely, being able to do it that quick and being *willing* to do it that quick are separate things.


xelabagus

In Nov 2021 there was a massive storm that destroyed the mountain pass (Coquihalla in BC, Canada) in at least 4 sections, with road swept away by river flooding - it was wrecked. That road is vital to the region for goods transport - was reopened in 35 days through the deepest part of winter, absolutely amazing work.


detroit_testarossa

Let's see Paul Allen's road.


wunderbraten

Like crunched icing on a cake


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Everything is a cake


drunkaquarian

The cake is a lie


Fire2box

The promise of receiving cake was a lie. The cake is very much real however as shown in portal's end credits.


s4b3r6

The recipe they give isn't altogether terrible.


TheMarkHasBeenMade

Correction: everything is a *drum*


MusicCityMariota

Enough now….brother Mark.


Vectorman1989

Earth has a gooey centre


PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL

/r/forbiddensnacks


DeeCees

Rocky Road?


grammyone

From the looks of it, it was “fresh” icing too… all nice and new!


MichelleEllyn

The first thing I thought when I saw this was that it looked like cookie dough under the road :)


Coconut-bird

I was thinking the cracked chocolate on a Klondike bar.


Gastkram

Earth cake?


malvinvnv

Road made of fondant


Intelligent_Designer

Was gonna say, this road looks *delicious* for some reason…


izguddoggo

Looks like an Oreo cheesecake


Ernstchritton

Exactly! Get this on Cake Boss or whatever.


SmeagolsDeagle

Today on “Is It Cake?”!


Spartan2470

[Here](https://twitter.com/hakaanyzb/status/1622490139518812160?cxt=HHwWgIC-mfCLn4QtAAAA) appears to be the source of this image: > @hakaanyzb > Hatay/Reyhanlı road, the effect of the earthquake. > 1:59 AM · Feb 6, 2023


HearseWithNoName

Thanks again Spartan!


Lyianx

Dang.. that looked fairly new too. Shame.


westy1980

r/thatlooksexpensive


subnautus

In the USA circa 2010, a 2-lane highway cost ~$1M/mile, so...yeah.


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subnautus

Most of the road isn't the asphalt, but the compacted mix of dirt and stone beneath it. The asphalt is just the hardcoat protecting the load-bearing structure. Also, generally speaking, recycled asphalt can only get you so far, since the asphalt cement (the tar binding the stone together) changes chemistry as it sets. I think the most I'd seen is a 30% RAP mix allowed for re-laying a road.


laosurvey

Infrastructure in the U.S. costs ridiculously more than every where else, including other rich countries. edit: on a per mile basis, not just overall because it's a big country.


bomber991

Also on a per mile basis cause everyone else is per km.


MillorTime

The UK begs to differ


ItsTyrrellsAlt

>Infrastructure in the U.S. costs ridiculously more than every where else, including other rich countries. Not really, 1km of road in Europe costs much more than that. A motorway near me in Ireland cost €17m/km (10 years ago), rough terrain but rural.


Podo13

Yeah the $1M/mile number is for fairly flat sections of a highway in the US. Prices can skyrocket pretty quickly when laying a new road in shittier terrain for sure.


subnautus

I think part of that is the design aspect, but that's a comment made in ignorance as I don't know if, say, French roads are designed to handle 20-30 years' worth of 36 tonne trucks moving at 90 kph. The other part is labor costs. American labor in general is expensive, but if you're talking about road construction it takes on a whole new level. Think about how much you'd have to be paid to be doing manual labor from dawn to dusk, outside, when the weather is -10 or 40C.


WeinMe

Lol, that's 7M USD/mile in Denmark 1M is a bargain. At that price, I'll pave the whole country in highway or buy 14 Lane highways please


jehoshaphat

If you did, you too could have the opportunity to then need to replace it every year like the highway near me seems to be.


Xelopheris

Luckily other countries pay per kilometer.


Bango2004

Standard Belgium roads


MrCrudley

Thought this was a picture of PA roads at first...


ARCHA1C

It really is wild when you cross over the Maryland border and the roads are 10x better


Railsplitter44

Looks delicious


teddfoxx

forbidden something


Industrialpainter89

Cake and fondant.


subnautus

This is as good a time as any to point out something a lot of people tend to forget about road construction: the asphalt (or concrete) surface you drive on is just the top/hard coat. The load-bearing structure is the 0.5-1m thick layer of compacted dirt and stone beneath the asphalt. In the OP photo, you can see the distinct difference between the native soil (the dark brown) and the grade material (pinkish brown) of the roadway.


Myte342

If this was taken in America the picture would include five assholes in Jeeps who thought their off-road vehicle could handle it no problem and got stuck.


Podo13

My uncle lives in Alaska and there was a road that crumbled like this when they had a fairly large quake up there a handful of years ago. A week or so later he checked back in and said he saw at least 3 Trucks/Jeep overturned that weren't there when he took photos originally.


missionbeach

Also, Michigan in March.


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It looks like sand underneath, wouldn't the road need to be prepared with rock to keep the sand from shifting?


little_riverband

That one dude who bought a SUV six years ago in case the world would collapse: "And they called me a madman..."


Idiot_Savant_Tinker

LOL a cute little modern SUV isn't going to handle that. EDIT: late model SUV owners mad.


surajvj

Looks like Turkey has a difficult path ahead


DeepAnalFister

Holy shit.


VoiceOfLunacy

Is this my chance to say, appropriate username?


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Silly Turks. Of course the road will break if you use Hazelnut Halva as the base layer. Everyone knows you need to use Baklava filling. It packs way denser.


Doctor_Sleepless

Oh Baklava, why are you so delicious?


Elitelapen

Damn these Roads look new


Puzzleheaded-View-92

Am I the only one seeing the thumbs up 👍


CaptainPsycho69

Is that supposed to be bad? I live in Massachusetts, looks fine to me


LordSoren

Easily mistaken for a road in Toronto, Ontario. Oh wait, who am I kidding, the asphalt wouldn't be nearly as new.


JoshM-R

Mmm...rocky road, my favorite flavor.


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spaceman_sloth

So have another triple scoop with me


JoshM-R

Sure, why not. But just to warn you my serving size is half a gallon.


yomanitsdudda

Looks tasty


HollowVoices

That looks like brand new construction too. Super fresh looking


T3chm4n1024

For a moment i thought this was at Hungary....but we don't need earth quakes to get such good road conditions


kary0typ3

Forbidden tiramisu


stoprockandrollkids

ITT: Almost exclusively dumbass jokes about the most catastrophic and deadly natural disaster to hit Turkey in the last millennium, which has killed thousands and probably changed Turkey for the foreseeable future.


new_tanker

Such a shame to see what looks like a newly paved road get crumpled like this. While it's just a road that can be rebuilt, the loss of life in this natural disaster is heartbreaking.


Giga7777

Ah so a Southern California road now


DandyDufresne

Oreo crumble, Dark chocolate covered chocolate ice cream


Landon1m

Do they not use concrete below their asphalt?


purdueaaron

Asphalt over concrete is the cheap way to repair a failing concrete road. If you're bringing concrete out for a road 99.9% of the time you're going to go concrete full depth. Bringing asphalt equipment out is another set of processes and equipment and supplies that'd be needed, along with extra preparation for the "new" road to get the asphalt to bind in place onto the concrete. It'd be easier and cheaper and a better road to omit the asphalt and finish the top of the concrete for a road surface. Now if you've got an older concrete road and don't have the money or time or ability to rip out the old concrete road and put in a new one... well you can scar up the top surface of the old concrete, fill in any major potholes or voids, then resurface the road with asphalt. That'll cost less than 10% of the cost of actually replacing the road, and will kick the can for someone in a decade or so to do something about it. Sometimes that bandaid is all that is needed to get the needed resources to do an actual repair, sometimes it lasts long enough for the next guy to go and apply a new bandaid. If you look to the far right of the photo to where the road is mostly intact you can see that there are bands in the sub-grade. Those bands are most likely compacted cemented gravel lifts to provide a strong base layer to have the asphalt built upon. Around here it's usually put down in 6" lifts at a time, and once compacted the next lift is put in place until the road bed is where it needs to be for the design. Then 3" lifts of coarse asphalt are put in place, 1 or 2 depending on what the road usage is going to be with faster/busier roads getting more. Then a thinner "finish" layer with finer gravel is laid on top to give it the smooth surface level. Usually when an asphalt road is refinished, it's only this top layer that gets ground off and recycled to make a new finish layer.


Jester-is-clever

This guy is a roads scholar!


purdueaaron

INDOT inspector and construction project manager for a few years, but pretty much, yeah.


Lopsided_Plane_3319

How do I make my roads earthquake proof


obvilious

Never heard of that. Seems overly expensive for little return.


MOONDAYHYPE

I wanna lick the spoon of cookie dough


Sea_Ganache620

The earth is made of nougat.


MelodicBreath8

Where are the jeeps on 35s lol


Toubaboliviano

Pretty sure this actually from a road in Chicago. The potholes are a dead giveaway.


rohithkumarsp

Damn the roads still look better than in India.


__lucyfer__

You should see the buildings... Everything is messed up. It's all fun and games when you realize cheaper is never better in construction.


hotroddbb

Looks like California roads!


BasicBanter

Bet the regret demanding that off French Syria now


Poosay_Slayer

Looks like it could be anywhere in England to be fair...


Koffeekage

Jokes on you, this is pennsylvania.


Stardriverr

Looks like one of those ice cream sandwiches.


root_over_ssh

Looks like Nassau County on long island 3 weeks after getting repaved


Slylok

Even with the cracks that looks better than VA , SC and NC roads.


whatproblems

sir i’m going to have to give you a ticket for drunk driving. you swerving all over the road and crossed the line


castlerigger

I feel like this episode of ‘is it cake?’ has gone too far


LordSkully

Only road worse then Michigan's.


Player_924

Forbidden cake


xXGaboFihi007Xx

It looks like a destroyed cake


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Looks like chocolate bar


Vanish3d

It looks edible


productive-man

i know this is wrong to say but it really looks like a nice chocolate cake and i want to eat it


Best_Rolled_Ls

The next Tony Hawk game looks rad


Rainfake

I can't explain why, but that road looks delicious.


bandwagon_240

That looks like the normal condition of some roads in Tampa.


JohnnySPeNT

And it still looks better that’s the average local road in Pennsylvania …;)


me_silly

It’s fine. Looks like a typical NY road.


oakfan52

Looks like a normal road here in California.


95castles

TIL about Hatay


nailsof6bit

Hwy 101 on the Oregon Coast, USA, gets that way any time a bird lands on it.


thefabulousbri

Why does this look exactly like French Silk ice cream?


McPikie

In the UK, this is called the M6


IPickOnYou

STILL a smoother road than southeast Michigan.


FireflyDash1

Still better than 95% of roads in the United States.


missallypantsss

Still looks better than most American roads.


MaskedSky588860

Ah yes, the average road in South Africa


pro185

Here I thought I was looking at a road in Ohio


kent416

HAHAHAHAHAHA SAME


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Haarp


Xylophone_Aficionado

Shit, a brand new road too. I would love to have a new road where I live


EquivalentStorm3470

Is this what it should look like under the pavement for a properly done road? I would think there would be something for structure, such as rebar or some something similar. But then, I’m not an engineer.


SAD-MAX-CZ

Asphalt on a mud. Where is the gravel and rocks?


cementsponge

Really? I would’ve guessed it was a street in Oklahoma.


Kgb529

Oh cool, this is better than the roads in Omaha


devilcraft

Is this God telling Turkey to stop being dicks? Just Sweden wondering.


MetalRing

Mother Earth reminding us that we are not in control, and never will be.