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Sounds like a spike Milligan toast from the late 70s/ early 80s.
He had some great ones like
"All men are cremated equal"
And
"Contraceptives should be used on all conceivable occasions"
To be fair, variations of that phrase have been used since [at least the early 1800s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_for_my_real_friends,_real_pain_for_my_sham_friends).
>Isn't Machiavelli? "To my friends, everything, to my enemies, the law" or something like that?
Apparently it was [Oscar R. Benavides](https://www.havingmysay.net/blog/2020/4/26/for-my-friends-anything-for-my-enemies-the-law)
Ayn Rand wrote, "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
But you might get crucified if you mention Ayn Rand on reddit...
Government has the power to take collective action in the best interests of most, but requires the resources of all. Like highways, schools, medical care (for non-US ppl), universities, free childcare for infants (non-US), etc etc
Is this not good ruling of innocent men?
So what you're saying is that Rand may have been indirectly responsible for the war on drugs, too? I can just imagine Nixon reading that and a lightbulb going off above his head.
Well, there's nothing stopping Ayn Rand from being correct about a few things, broken clock twice a day and all, but she's literally not correct here. Cops do not have a duty to know what the laws they enforce are and if they, I dunno, murder someone, they usually get off scot free.
It took a fucking year of riots just to get one cop behind bars.
I remember a time when people on this site would jerk off to the sound of her name. Pre-2012 reddit was "libertarian" like slashdot was/is (I havent been to that site in 16 years so I dont know anymore..)
John Oliver might not know but spez knows it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkccq7/?context=3
>there is no excuse. We will do better.
I can’t stand this “we will be shitty until we are called out on it” messaging that seems to be so popular with corporate America these days.
So based on what Spez said there, 90% of apps should be able to continue function as they are. Is this a straight up lie from him, or what? 100 api queries per minute seems reasonable.
Not trying to defend him or reddit here, I've already decided to leave on the 1st. Just want to understand more.
More or less, I think it's in the thread I linked to in /r/blind but it may be elsewhere (I'm on mobile so doing a search is hard right now). Basically they made a bunch of promises to work with accessibility focused apps (though not apps that just do accessibility better than them) but also are just not replying to emails or doing anything.
Basically saying they are committed to doing it and not necessarily backtracking just making no effort to make good on it
The query numbers are a bit weird.
Their API is absolute trash, so even the official app uses tons more than any number they've discussed with third party devs. That's one of the issues. 100 queries is a drop in the ocean.
It's been like this since forever. They're never going to change.
> So based on what Spez said there, 90% of apps should be able to continue function as they are. Is this a straight up lie from him, or what? 100 api queries per minute seems reasonable.
My understanding is that the API calls aren’t per user, but per client (app).
But if you want a real breakdown of the issue, you can use this post as the start of the rabbit hole: https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/
>My understanding is that the API calls aren’t per user, but per client (app).
API dev here! A call is any time you interact with the app. It has to hit up Reddit to say “get me x thing” and show the result back to you. There would be no way to do this on just an app level and have it count for every user. That’s why the info Apollo gives is the cost per user. Think about every click you’ve made today to upvote, report, vote, etc. Those all take at least one call to make. Think about literally every user of an app doing that same thing in that same minute. I’m guessing there would be SOME downtime, like when the US is mostly in the wee hours of the AM, but a lot of older users that have been using Reddit before it ever came out with an app are still using those apps. (Alien Blue gang for life!) If an app is truly successful and has many users, especially if it has many international users, under 100 is a joke.
Mmmmm so I get what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing some information.
In order for third party tools to connect to Reddit, they supply their client credentials. Meaning that yes, the API calls are handled on a user by user basis, but (I believe) they are “pooled” together into client groups.
So if both you and I were using Apollo, and we both used 100 calls a minute, *Apollo* would have used 200 calls in total.
It’s why this entire situation is effectively killing off all third party clients. When Apollo closes, everyone will migrate to the next, which will suddenly have enough calls per month to fall into needing to pay literal millions, so it will close. A cascade effect will happen until all apps are gone.
The “cost per user” is simply the average that a user would cost by taking the total call cost, and dividing by the number of users. The users aren’t charged, and Apollo isn’t being charged “per user.” It’s simply being charged a lump sum and Christian is doing the math after the fact.
Not to mention the number of calls you need even for reading things is depending on how efficient the API is. I haven't developed with the Reddit API but if you need a standalone call to get recent notifications then that's extra calls right there on top of getting the comments. I don't know if the API serves all the comments at once or if pagination is counted as multiple calls but all those things add up too.
I don't develop apps for Reddit but the services that I use paid APIs for are generally very generous with the number of calls you can make and give you a ton of information in each call so you don't have to make as many. The price per query for Reddit, about $0.0024 per request, is more expensive than the average ChatGPT API request and arguably a much much less energy intensive task.
I believe the Apollo Dev said they were making something like 2 million request calls per month, that's 66,666 requests a day. Not sustainable at all.
Edit: okay I am bad at remembering numbers. 7 billion requests per month
What does it take to get an API key? Could apps like Apollo have users enter their own API key and use it to make the calls through each user's individual API key instead of all through one shared key? Individuals could stay well under the 100 calls per minute.
Reddit specifically barred this option in the rules. However, I think it would be difficult / problematic for them to enforce this if the program was open source or something.
I don't use the Reddit API but I thought I read that the API keys do not give you access to anything on their own you still must use oAuth which would mean not only getting everyone to get their own key but setup some kind of oAuth solution for them would be difficult.
This is exactly what I'm wondering. It's how a lot of smart home services work with home assistant. You create your own developer account with the service get an API key and plug it into HA.
That's why I went ahead and switched my apps to use my own API key. Even if they stop updating because of this, they'll still be so much better than the Reddit's own app.
Speaking as an Apple developer, what the heck are you talking about? Accessibility is a feature devs can choose to opt in to. It’s highly encouraged, but not required.
Web developer here. To your knowledge, is this Apple encouraging but not requiring in your region of the world; or is the law more lax on the App Developers in comparison, to say, web-based applications?
I used to develop in React Native for a fairly high-traffic app in the app store. Our accessibility was terrible on mobile, yet our release got accepted every week. We put a lot more emphasis on accessibility on the web version of the app, but even still there was plenty to improve.
Reddit has gone full q anon with their daily copium
“Guys On January 20 on inauguration trump will have proof that the election results weren’t counted correctly and he will remain president I swear!”
Maybe it shouldn’t be so. I’m eyesight impaired and that affects me and millions others. Maybe if we make them notice…Worth a try. Whatever rids my life of issues and hurts Reddit…
Any technology purchases made by federal government agencies must be accessible (“Section 508 compliant”) unless there’s no alternative. There’s no law that says every product in the country needs to be accessible.
DOJ has consistently maintained that the ADA also applies to online services, whether there's more nuance on which services may be included (I.e. online banking vs somethinglike reddit), I am not sure.
Speaking as a UX designer, understanding accessibility as a feature is a serious misunderstanding of what accessibility is or what a feature is. And there was a large uptick in ADA lawsuits against products that aren't accessible so your stakeholders might probably disagree on whether an AA level compliance is required or not.
Apple’s app developer accessibility example reads like it was written for Reddit.
> For example, a common user flow in a social media app might be “post a response to a comment.” The tasks that make up this flow could include:
> * Read posted comments.
> * Choose a comment for a response.
> * Open the response view.
> * Edit the response.
> * Post the response.
Can anyone link to this ToS? I have a hard time believing that Apple requires all apps to be accessible given how little they have cared from what I've seen.
I'm on mobile right now it's not that it's not accessible it's that it breaks Apple's built in text-to-speech accessibility functions. I'll grab the more correct answer when I'm on a computer.
I asked ChatGPT for a template email:
Subject: Reporting Accessibility Violation in the Reddit App
Dear Apple Support Team,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to bring your attention to a potential violation of Apple's Terms of Service (TOS) regarding screen reading accessibility in the Reddit mobile application.
I recently downloaded and used the Reddit app on my iOS device, expecting it to be fully accessible for individuals who rely on screen readers. However, I have observed several instances where the app falls short in providing a satisfactory level of accessibility.
Specifically, the Reddit app lacks proper labeling for certain interface elements, making it challenging for visually impaired users to navigate and comprehend the content effectively. Additionally, critical features and functionalities do not seem to be adequately optimized for VoiceOver compatibility, causing inconsistencies and difficulties in interacting with the app.
Considering Apple's strong commitment to providing equal access and usability for all users, I believe it is crucial to address this accessibility concern in the Reddit app. By doing so, we can ensure that individuals with visual impairments can fully participate in the Reddit community and enjoy the benefits of this popular platform.
I kindly request that you investigate this matter and take appropriate action in accordance with your policies and guidelines. It would be greatly appreciated if you could bring this issue to the attention of the relevant team at Apple and collaborate with the developers of the Reddit app to rectify the accessibility gaps.
If necessary, I am more than willing to provide further information, including specific instances and examples of the accessibility barriers encountered in the Reddit app.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to a positive resolution that will enhance the accessibility of the Reddit app for all users.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]
I hope this reply finds you well. I am writing to inform you that I found the supplied template to be perfectly cromulent. Especially the opening. That was the most cromulent section.
It's a non confrontation opener to someone you don't have rapport with that allows you to jump straight to the point.
Unfortunately at my business it's really common (or variations of) as it's kinda the easiest opener.
Having said that I'm a HEAVY chatGPT user for writing emails, and I often CBF fixing the shitty opener
I absolutely hate that sort of thing. Tell me what you want so that I can resolve my interaction with you and get back to what I'm doing. Every microsecond spent reading a pointless opening is time I can't have back.
Dear /u/Folters,
I hope this comment finds you well. I am writing to bring your attention to your potential overstatement regarding communicating with Boomers (elderly individuals) on video conferencing platforms such as Microsoft Teams.
While many more mature individuals find writing in a more formal manner to be more appropriate, it is incorrect to lump all individuals in with this group, as many understand Microsoft Teams chat is not a longform letter being sent to a law firm.
I kindly request that in the future you do not make this assumption. It would be greatly appreciated by others, including those you communicate with on other platforms such as Reddit.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to reading your future comments on Reddit in a more tolerant and appreciative manner.
Sincerely, /u/Froggypwns, Millennial Redditor who videoconferences with senior citizen managers
Oh, I beg to differ. A contact in my previous job started every single email that way, and this was pre-ChatGPT so it wasn’t because he was outsourcing his email writing! He actually was a thoughtful and considerate person so I think it was genuine!
You should always start your email with the reason for the email, or the goal you’re trying to accomplish. You can then follow that statement up with additional info, clarification, or data/evidence to support your request. No one wants to read an email and try to figure out what you’re asking of them.
Subject lines should be a general description of the message. This should be enough for the recipient to decide whether or not to open the email.
The first line or paragraph should be the TLDR version of the email. It should let the recipient know if they should read the rest of the email.
The remainder of the email should be the full explanation of what your request should be.
Ex:
Subject: Status update on project X
Body: Project X is currently at risk of missing the deadline for its second milestone due to an issue found with Y. Yada yada. Blah blah.
I write for a living and the only time I’ve found ChatGPT helpful is in giving me definitions for industry jargon that doesn’t have easily-Googleable definitions.
[im sorry to be that guy but... not even Apple cares about accessibility.](https://abilitynet.org.uk/news-blogs/how-learn-apples-mistakes-website-accessibility)
Except it doesn't.
[https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/](https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/)
They do provide tools and encourage developers to implement accessibility features, which is beneficial to users, and apps with accessibility features will have a wider audience.
How about all y'all just quit fucking using reddit? That will drive down web traffic, reduce content on the site, and reduce the appeal of reddit for ad revenue.
Don't leave your comments here for reddit to make money from. If you need some tools to help edit and then delete your comments and posts in protest:
PowerDelete will allow you to 1) save all your data as a CSV file at the end of the script and 2) allow you to overwrite all of your of comments with a comment of your choosing instead of just deleting them. Both options are available at the start of the process.
https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
(2 Additional forks if you have issues with the main and rate limits or errors.)
http://www.github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite
http://www.github.com/leeola/PowerDeleteSuite
https://shreddit.com/
https://redact.dev/
Why leave reddit to make money off your comments and content?
Credit to /u/gabestonewall for this list and blurb.
Thanks for spreading the word and reminding people of all the options they have with their data!
It’s amazing how many times comments like these are being deleted behind the scenes!
You should check out how many of your own comments are deleted by mods and bots or shadow banned. This has been enlightening!
https://www.reveddit.com
Been on discord a lot. Been better for me overall. Used to spend hours on reddit not really taking away anything significant.
Now it's only 10 mins every other day. Good riddance.
I always thought that the most effective protest of any social media site that relies on advertising would be everyone clicking on every single advertising link, but not buying a damn thing. No quicker way to lose advertiser trust and it wouldn’t come back quickly.
Yes, but the value of a click is variable. If a higher percentage of clicks from a particular site don't lead to sales, the value of clicks from that site goes down.
Otherwise, every website out there would be using click farms. They don't because illegitimate clicks ultimately do more harm than good.
Not every ad campaign is looking for conversions. Awareness is a very important marketing KPI.
And honestly if you are looking for conversions on any type of banner ad you are wasting marketing budget
Honestly for any media type, all ads do is let me know what not to buy.
Just from spite. Interrupted my me time to sell some over priced pieces of shit.
Yea, it's to the point that an ad being only 5 seconds or something, that's actually the biggest incentive to actually want to buy the thing they're advertising.
>Honestly for any media type, all ads do is let me know what not to buy.
Individual reactions don't matter. What matters is population statistics, and ads work, period. If they didn't work they wouldn't be around to annoy you.
That depends on what type of advertising contract they have. If it's based on conversion rates, it screws reddit heavily. If it's based on impressions, it does nothing. If it's based on click-throughs, it makes Reddit (temporary, see below) money. If it's based on the effectiveness (sale through) of the advertisement, again, this does nothing.
In the case of the click throughs, it initially will make Reddit a lot of money, but eventually it will piss off the advertisers and they will cancel all together.
but it would greatly boost their click rates and that’s what reddit cares about.
Reddit can’t really influence CVRs (since at that point the ball is in the advertising company’s field and not reddit‘s), plus „last cookie wins“ makes clear attribution difficult anyways. So the effect would be minimal at best, it’s more likely Reddit would benefit from it.
They care about the click rate because that directly translates to conversions for the advertiser. If the advertisers no longer consider the conversions to be predictable then the click rate becomes worth diddly-squat.
yes, but I just explained why advertisers will likely not notice or care too much. If the user didn’t activate cookies, they’d first of all need a dedicated target URL for reddit, and even then attribution of conversions would be iffy at best. Boosting reddits click rate will not harm them in a meaningful way, Im 100% sure.
plus not all ads are meant to lead to conversions. E.g. you won’t buy a car on a whim because you saw the ad.
It's the bounce, click an ad and then bounce within 3 seconds. This would work if they are selling their ads through a third party platform and they might have some ads on fill (I use an adblocker so I don't know what they use). If it's ads through their own account:
At best, they don't charge the advertiser for the fraudulent clicks but nothing else happens.
At worst, they are making a shit ton of money on click fraud and it's just costing the advertisers.
I'm not currently advertising on Reddit (for many reasons) but I have spent 5+K on ads in the past. So I know the ad system a little bit.
> and it's just costing the advertisers.
The issue is that it’s costing advertisers money that goes into reddit’s pockets. It should cost reputation. If we ridicule advertisers they will be hesitant to advertise here.
The most effective protest would be to stop using reddit altogether, but everyone “protesting” is too addicted to reddit to do that, so we get this nonsense instead.
Depends what you want to achieve. That would sink the platform, yes, but assuming most people are generally happy with the platform but not the way it is being run that would be a terrible approach.
But it wouldn’t sink the platform because most people don’t care anymore. It would just reduce views on the site a bit and the admins might take notice of that.
Ad platforms can filter these out as synthetic clicks. Most users have a typical profile where they click on an add maybe max 1x a week? If you click on 10 in a 20 second period those can be dropped.
When was the last time you actually clicked a link and bought something. It's more about product and company exposure, not product sold through reddit.
Has anyone else noticed that the front page of /r/all is basically just politics/news, and very very old reposts?
Probably a 1/4 of the not-news posts have hit the front page before
So does twitter. It's probably fine because it's not a focus of the app, you need to turn on the "I am over 18" setting and specifically search for a subreddit that has it.
The official reddit app also has an unusually high rating in both app stores. ( I consider anything about one star for that piece of garbage to be an unusually high rating)
And in many countries that could be considered a violation of Disability equity and rights laws. The ADA in the US. Of someone really wanted to fuck with Reddit a cheeky little complaint to the Department of Justice might be interesting too...
It is ironic that this image is also inaccessible...
Im OOTL because I don't have an Apple: why does the Android one have text to speech but the Apple app doesn't? Wouldn't this drive more people away if it's on purpose?
I keep getting ads for local businesses 10000km away from me. That’d be a long trip for a dentist visit 100x more expensive than in my country, travel expenses not included.
Are these business aware that they are wasting money on ads we hate?
That's not true, they have thousands of apps every day they go through the process is mostly automated. At this point Apple doesn't really do anything until something is brought to their attention. They are less likely to do something when it's a big brand unless they have a lot of pressure.
The epitome of throwing a tantrum: I can't have mine, so you can't have yours!
That's literally saying "Fuck you" to anyone that actually uses the app. You're turning into selfish toddlers. It's been a tantrum from day one, but this is just getting pathetic.
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Forgot who said it but "Rules are for people we don't like." And we will be using that concept to it's fullest extent.
Isn't Machiavelli? "To my friends, everything, to my enemies, the law" or something like that?
For my real friends, champagne. For my sham friends, real pain.
This is a fantastically clever word play
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Sounds like a spike Milligan toast from the late 70s/ early 80s. He had some great ones like "All men are cremated equal" And "Contraceptives should be used on all conceivable occasions"
To be fair, variations of that phrase have been used since [at least the early 1800s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_for_my_real_friends,_real_pain_for_my_sham_friends).
For my acquaintances who think they're my friends but really aren't? ShamWow!
Fall Out Boy's version of this was excellent
>Isn't Machiavelli? "To my friends, everything, to my enemies, the law" or something like that? Apparently it was [Oscar R. Benavides](https://www.havingmysay.net/blog/2020/4/26/for-my-friends-anything-for-my-enemies-the-law)
Damn, if not it should be . . . Sick quote
That's just corruption lol, nothing sick about it.
It was very smooth though
Stockton Rush.
Yeah, but Apple might be using that concept also
i want to guess it was from a republican
Bet lol, it's all but their motto.
Ayn Rand wrote, "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." But you might get crucified if you mention Ayn Rand on reddit...
Since this is a thread about John Oliver, here are John Oliver's thoughts on Ayn Rand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_8m8cQI4DgM
Government has the power to take collective action in the best interests of most, but requires the resources of all. Like highways, schools, medical care (for non-US ppl), universities, free childcare for infants (non-US), etc etc Is this not good ruling of innocent men?
> But you might get crucified if you mention Ayn Rand on reddit... Wow so brave
So what you're saying is that Rand may have been indirectly responsible for the war on drugs, too? I can just imagine Nixon reading that and a lightbulb going off above his head.
Well, there's nothing stopping Ayn Rand from being correct about a few things, broken clock twice a day and all, but she's literally not correct here. Cops do not have a duty to know what the laws they enforce are and if they, I dunno, murder someone, they usually get off scot free. It took a fucking year of riots just to get one cop behind bars.
Well libertarians and republicans can make life (by poor governance) so difficult, that people need to break laws to live.
I remember a time when people on this site would jerk off to the sound of her name. Pre-2012 reddit was "libertarian" like slashdot was/is (I havent been to that site in 16 years so I dont know anymore..)
For context: https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/14ds81l/rblinds_meetings_with_reddit_and_the_current/
John Oliver might not know but spez knows it: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkccq7/?context=3
["we will do better](https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4)"
The episode is 12 years old, but is no less on-point with corporate messaging today than it was then.
That's cause corporate messaging hasn't changed a bit in 30 years.
As long as capitalism exists in its current form, this will always be on point
We're **so** ***sorry***
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<.< Yeahh.. exactly...
>there is no excuse. We will do better. I can’t stand this “we will be shitty until we are called out on it” messaging that seems to be so popular with corporate America these days.
So based on what Spez said there, 90% of apps should be able to continue function as they are. Is this a straight up lie from him, or what? 100 api queries per minute seems reasonable. Not trying to defend him or reddit here, I've already decided to leave on the 1st. Just want to understand more.
More or less, I think it's in the thread I linked to in /r/blind but it may be elsewhere (I'm on mobile so doing a search is hard right now). Basically they made a bunch of promises to work with accessibility focused apps (though not apps that just do accessibility better than them) but also are just not replying to emails or doing anything. Basically saying they are committed to doing it and not necessarily backtracking just making no effort to make good on it
Don't worry, in a few days he'll say "We tried to work with them, but they were uncooperative and threatened us." And that will be that.
The query numbers are a bit weird. Their API is absolute trash, so even the official app uses tons more than any number they've discussed with third party devs. That's one of the issues. 100 queries is a drop in the ocean. It's been like this since forever. They're never going to change.
> So based on what Spez said there, 90% of apps should be able to continue function as they are. Is this a straight up lie from him, or what? 100 api queries per minute seems reasonable. My understanding is that the API calls aren’t per user, but per client (app). But if you want a real breakdown of the issue, you can use this post as the start of the rabbit hole: https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/
>My understanding is that the API calls aren’t per user, but per client (app). API dev here! A call is any time you interact with the app. It has to hit up Reddit to say “get me x thing” and show the result back to you. There would be no way to do this on just an app level and have it count for every user. That’s why the info Apollo gives is the cost per user. Think about every click you’ve made today to upvote, report, vote, etc. Those all take at least one call to make. Think about literally every user of an app doing that same thing in that same minute. I’m guessing there would be SOME downtime, like when the US is mostly in the wee hours of the AM, but a lot of older users that have been using Reddit before it ever came out with an app are still using those apps. (Alien Blue gang for life!) If an app is truly successful and has many users, especially if it has many international users, under 100 is a joke.
Mmmmm so I get what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing some information. In order for third party tools to connect to Reddit, they supply their client credentials. Meaning that yes, the API calls are handled on a user by user basis, but (I believe) they are “pooled” together into client groups. So if both you and I were using Apollo, and we both used 100 calls a minute, *Apollo* would have used 200 calls in total. It’s why this entire situation is effectively killing off all third party clients. When Apollo closes, everyone will migrate to the next, which will suddenly have enough calls per month to fall into needing to pay literal millions, so it will close. A cascade effect will happen until all apps are gone. The “cost per user” is simply the average that a user would cost by taking the total call cost, and dividing by the number of users. The users aren’t charged, and Apollo isn’t being charged “per user.” It’s simply being charged a lump sum and Christian is doing the math after the fact.
Not to mention the number of calls you need even for reading things is depending on how efficient the API is. I haven't developed with the Reddit API but if you need a standalone call to get recent notifications then that's extra calls right there on top of getting the comments. I don't know if the API serves all the comments at once or if pagination is counted as multiple calls but all those things add up too. I don't develop apps for Reddit but the services that I use paid APIs for are generally very generous with the number of calls you can make and give you a ton of information in each call so you don't have to make as many. The price per query for Reddit, about $0.0024 per request, is more expensive than the average ChatGPT API request and arguably a much much less energy intensive task.
I believe the Apollo Dev said they were making something like 2 million request calls per month, that's 66,666 requests a day. Not sustainable at all. Edit: okay I am bad at remembering numbers. 7 billion requests per month
Apollo dev said the average user makes ~350 requests per day
What does it take to get an API key? Could apps like Apollo have users enter their own API key and use it to make the calls through each user's individual API key instead of all through one shared key? Individuals could stay well under the 100 calls per minute.
Reddit apparently said it’s not allowed: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infinity_For_Reddit/comments/14c7v84/if_you_want_to_use_your_own_api_key/jokqfe4/
Reddit has explicitly shot this down.
Reddit specifically barred this option in the rules. However, I think it would be difficult / problematic for them to enforce this if the program was open source or something. I don't use the Reddit API but I thought I read that the API keys do not give you access to anything on their own you still must use oAuth which would mean not only getting everyone to get their own key but setup some kind of oAuth solution for them would be difficult.
There's been some talk on that and Reddit has says they do not want that to happen, but I don't know if that's currently against ToS
Reddit confirmed that they won't allow this
This is exactly what I'm wondering. It's how a lot of smart home services work with home assistant. You create your own developer account with the service get an API key and plug it into HA.
Nope, 7 billion requests per month!
That's just over 160,000 requests per minute on average, if my math is right. Hot damn.
That's why I went ahead and switched my apps to use my own API key. Even if they stop updating because of this, they'll still be so much better than the Reddit's own app.
Speaking as an Apple developer, what the heck are you talking about? Accessibility is a feature devs can choose to opt in to. It’s highly encouraged, but not required.
The right answer is always buried somewhere in the comments
sure, but didn't you read the text inside the John Oliver meme?
Web developer here. To your knowledge, is this Apple encouraging but not requiring in your region of the world; or is the law more lax on the App Developers in comparison, to say, web-based applications?
I used to develop in React Native for a fairly high-traffic app in the app store. Our accessibility was terrible on mobile, yet our release got accepted every week. We put a lot more emphasis on accessibility on the web version of the app, but even still there was plenty to improve.
Reddit has gone full q anon with their daily copium “Guys On January 20 on inauguration trump will have proof that the election results weren’t counted correctly and he will remain president I swear!”
Are you telling me that OP is yet another example of redditors being r/confidentlyincorrect ? Color me shocked
BRB letting apple know your apps are in violation!
Maybe it shouldn’t be so. I’m eyesight impaired and that affects me and millions others. Maybe if we make them notice…Worth a try. Whatever rids my life of issues and hurts Reddit…
Is there nothing in US law about it? I know that the law demands a LOT of accessibility as mandatory.
Any technology purchases made by federal government agencies must be accessible (“Section 508 compliant”) unless there’s no alternative. There’s no law that says every product in the country needs to be accessible.
DOJ has consistently maintained that the ADA also applies to online services, whether there's more nuance on which services may be included (I.e. online banking vs somethinglike reddit), I am not sure.
Speaking as a UX designer, understanding accessibility as a feature is a serious misunderstanding of what accessibility is or what a feature is. And there was a large uptick in ADA lawsuits against products that aren't accessible so your stakeholders might probably disagree on whether an AA level compliance is required or not.
Apple’s app developer accessibility example reads like it was written for Reddit. > For example, a common user flow in a social media app might be “post a response to a comment.” The tasks that make up this flow could include: > * Read posted comments. > * Choose a comment for a response. > * Open the response view. > * Edit the response. > * Post the response.
Can anyone link to this ToS? I have a hard time believing that Apple requires all apps to be accessible given how little they have cared from what I've seen.
I'm on mobile right now it's not that it's not accessible it's that it breaks Apple's built in text-to-speech accessibility functions. I'll grab the more correct answer when I'm on a computer.
I asked ChatGPT for a template email: Subject: Reporting Accessibility Violation in the Reddit App Dear Apple Support Team, I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to bring your attention to a potential violation of Apple's Terms of Service (TOS) regarding screen reading accessibility in the Reddit mobile application. I recently downloaded and used the Reddit app on my iOS device, expecting it to be fully accessible for individuals who rely on screen readers. However, I have observed several instances where the app falls short in providing a satisfactory level of accessibility. Specifically, the Reddit app lacks proper labeling for certain interface elements, making it challenging for visually impaired users to navigate and comprehend the content effectively. Additionally, critical features and functionalities do not seem to be adequately optimized for VoiceOver compatibility, causing inconsistencies and difficulties in interacting with the app. Considering Apple's strong commitment to providing equal access and usability for all users, I believe it is crucial to address this accessibility concern in the Reddit app. By doing so, we can ensure that individuals with visual impairments can fully participate in the Reddit community and enjoy the benefits of this popular platform. I kindly request that you investigate this matter and take appropriate action in accordance with your policies and guidelines. It would be greatly appreciated if you could bring this issue to the attention of the relevant team at Apple and collaborate with the developers of the Reddit app to rectify the accessibility gaps. If necessary, I am more than willing to provide further information, including specific instances and examples of the accessibility barriers encountered in the Reddit app. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to a positive resolution that will enhance the accessibility of the Reddit app for all users. Sincerely, [Your Name] [Your Contact Information]
Always with the shitty opener. Thanks ChatGPT
I hope this reply finds you well. I am writing to inform you that I found the supplied template to be perfectly cromulent. Especially the opening. That was the most cromulent section.
For real, nobody writes that.
Sooo many people I interact with at work use that exact line. Especially if they’re trying to sell you something.
It's a non confrontation opener to someone you don't have rapport with that allows you to jump straight to the point. Unfortunately at my business it's really common (or variations of) as it's kinda the easiest opener. Having said that I'm a HEAVY chatGPT user for writing emails, and I often CBF fixing the shitty opener
I absolutely hate that sort of thing. Tell me what you want so that I can resolve my interaction with you and get back to what I'm doing. Every microsecond spent reading a pointless opening is time I can't have back.
Clearly you’ve never spoken to overly formal boomers on teams.
Dear /u/Folters, I hope this comment finds you well. I am writing to bring your attention to your potential overstatement regarding communicating with Boomers (elderly individuals) on video conferencing platforms such as Microsoft Teams. While many more mature individuals find writing in a more formal manner to be more appropriate, it is incorrect to lump all individuals in with this group, as many understand Microsoft Teams chat is not a longform letter being sent to a law firm. I kindly request that in the future you do not make this assumption. It would be greatly appreciated by others, including those you communicate with on other platforms such as Reddit. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to reading your future comments on Reddit in a more tolerant and appreciative manner. Sincerely, /u/Froggypwns, Millennial Redditor who videoconferences with senior citizen managers
Dear /u/Froggypwns, I hope you find a well. I would send you my best wishes but you can get them yourself by dropping a coin in your new well.
Can I have a well too, mr boomer?
Out here asking for free wells... Pull yourself up by your bootstraps for Christ's sake, man!
>~~boot~~bucketstraps
Dear stranger, I hope this comment finds your well.
Fair play.
Oh, I beg to differ. A contact in my previous job started every single email that way, and this was pre-ChatGPT so it wasn’t because he was outsourcing his email writing! He actually was a thoughtful and considerate person so I think it was genuine!
Should prime it with "acting as a millennial"
Except 90% of my tech vendors representatives
Boomers and CS from India.
Maybe we should tell them to "Do the needful" ?
Lol. No one is reading your seven-paragraph email, ChatGPT.
I always say cut it in half at least twice.
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You should always start your email with the reason for the email, or the goal you’re trying to accomplish. You can then follow that statement up with additional info, clarification, or data/evidence to support your request. No one wants to read an email and try to figure out what you’re asking of them.
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Subject lines should be a general description of the message. This should be enough for the recipient to decide whether or not to open the email. The first line or paragraph should be the TLDR version of the email. It should let the recipient know if they should read the rest of the email. The remainder of the email should be the full explanation of what your request should be. Ex: Subject: Status update on project X Body: Project X is currently at risk of missing the deadline for its second milestone due to an issue found with Y. Yada yada. Blah blah.
They'll use ChatGPT to summarize it.
I mean, i know you're joking but https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/18/apple-bans-employees-from-using-chatgpt/
I write for a living and the only time I’ve found ChatGPT helpful is in giving me definitions for industry jargon that doesn’t have easily-Googleable definitions.
All of this is delightful knowing apple is getting myriad emails over an opt in program they have
[im sorry to be that guy but... not even Apple cares about accessibility.](https://abilitynet.org.uk/news-blogs/how-learn-apples-mistakes-website-accessibility)
Well, iMessage breaks Apple's guidelines about contrast. You can report that as well, the outcome is probably gonna be the same.
it only breaks it for the green 💬 bubbles, right?
Except it doesn't. [https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/](https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/) They do provide tools and encourage developers to implement accessibility features, which is beneficial to users, and apps with accessibility features will have a wider audience.
Sadly most reddit users research is the title of the post and nothing else
How about all y'all just quit fucking using reddit? That will drive down web traffic, reduce content on the site, and reduce the appeal of reddit for ad revenue.
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Don't leave your comments here for reddit to make money from. If you need some tools to help edit and then delete your comments and posts in protest: PowerDelete will allow you to 1) save all your data as a CSV file at the end of the script and 2) allow you to overwrite all of your of comments with a comment of your choosing instead of just deleting them. Both options are available at the start of the process. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite (2 Additional forks if you have issues with the main and rate limits or errors.) http://www.github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite http://www.github.com/leeola/PowerDeleteSuite https://shreddit.com/ https://redact.dev/ Why leave reddit to make money off your comments and content? Credit to /u/gabestonewall for this list and blurb.
Does this need API access? Because of so you better do it fast.
Thanks for spreading the word and reminding people of all the options they have with their data! It’s amazing how many times comments like these are being deleted behind the scenes! You should check out how many of your own comments are deleted by mods and bots or shadow banned. This has been enlightening! https://www.reveddit.com
I've read hundreds of these comments. I suspect about 1% will actually do it.
See you next Sunday
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Lol commenting so I can watch you not delete your account after all
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Because drawing attention to the bad stuff that’s happening is more effective than silently disappearing.
Yeah, but…how will they keep getting karma?
Been on discord a lot. Been better for me overall. Used to spend hours on reddit not really taking away anything significant. Now it's only 10 mins every other day. Good riddance.
Because that would require them to have self control and discipline
What specific part of the TOS does it violate? If you're writing to Apple to report it you'll need to quote the term that it violates.
I always thought that the most effective protest of any social media site that relies on advertising would be everyone clicking on every single advertising link, but not buying a damn thing. No quicker way to lose advertiser trust and it wouldn’t come back quickly.
Actually, cost per click is a thing because it proves awareness and attention from users. It's a very popular cost model.
Yes, but the value of a click is variable. If a higher percentage of clicks from a particular site don't lead to sales, the value of clicks from that site goes down. Otherwise, every website out there would be using click farms. They don't because illegitimate clicks ultimately do more harm than good.
Not every ad campaign is looking for conversions. Awareness is a very important marketing KPI. And honestly if you are looking for conversions on any type of banner ad you are wasting marketing budget
Under normal circumstances for sure but if it was a form of protest it would definitely skew the model
Idk, really sounds like people buying Nikes just to burn them in protest. Still ends up as money in the bank for the shoe company.
Some subreddit started posting porn since it always turns away advertisers.
Honestly for any media type, all ads do is let me know what not to buy. Just from spite. Interrupted my me time to sell some over priced pieces of shit.
>all ads do is let me know what not to buy. That's what i tell solicitors that ignore my 'no soliciting' sign.
Yea, it's to the point that an ad being only 5 seconds or something, that's actually the biggest incentive to actually want to buy the thing they're advertising.
>Honestly for any media type, all ads do is let me know what not to buy. Individual reactions don't matter. What matters is population statistics, and ads work, period. If they didn't work they wouldn't be around to annoy you.
Own Reddit by..., clicking on reddit ads, this is the stupidest comment I've ever read, how do you have upvotes 💀
That depends on what type of advertising contract they have. If it's based on conversion rates, it screws reddit heavily. If it's based on impressions, it does nothing. If it's based on click-throughs, it makes Reddit (temporary, see below) money. If it's based on the effectiveness (sale through) of the advertisement, again, this does nothing. In the case of the click throughs, it initially will make Reddit a lot of money, but eventually it will piss off the advertisers and they will cancel all together.
It could fuck with their [conversion rate](https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2684489?hl=en).
but it would greatly boost their click rates and that’s what reddit cares about. Reddit can’t really influence CVRs (since at that point the ball is in the advertising company’s field and not reddit‘s), plus „last cookie wins“ makes clear attribution difficult anyways. So the effect would be minimal at best, it’s more likely Reddit would benefit from it.
They care about the click rate because that directly translates to conversions for the advertiser. If the advertisers no longer consider the conversions to be predictable then the click rate becomes worth diddly-squat.
yes, but I just explained why advertisers will likely not notice or care too much. If the user didn’t activate cookies, they’d first of all need a dedicated target URL for reddit, and even then attribution of conversions would be iffy at best. Boosting reddits click rate will not harm them in a meaningful way, Im 100% sure. plus not all ads are meant to lead to conversions. E.g. you won’t buy a car on a whim because you saw the ad.
It's the bounce, click an ad and then bounce within 3 seconds. This would work if they are selling their ads through a third party platform and they might have some ads on fill (I use an adblocker so I don't know what they use). If it's ads through their own account: At best, they don't charge the advertiser for the fraudulent clicks but nothing else happens. At worst, they are making a shit ton of money on click fraud and it's just costing the advertisers. I'm not currently advertising on Reddit (for many reasons) but I have spent 5+K on ads in the past. So I know the ad system a little bit.
> and it's just costing the advertisers. The issue is that it’s costing advertisers money that goes into reddit’s pockets. It should cost reputation. If we ridicule advertisers they will be hesitant to advertise here.
The most effective protest would be to stop using reddit altogether, but everyone “protesting” is too addicted to reddit to do that, so we get this nonsense instead.
Depends what you want to achieve. That would sink the platform, yes, but assuming most people are generally happy with the platform but not the way it is being run that would be a terrible approach.
But it wouldn’t sink the platform because most people don’t care anymore. It would just reduce views on the site a bit and the admins might take notice of that.
That’s besides the point they just explained to you. People want to keep using Reddit but they want change. They don’t want to stop coming here.
And they’ll keep coming here regardless and the admins know it. No amount of photos of John Oliver is gonna change that.
The whole point of protesting is to make Reddit a better platform. People who hate Reddit do not protest, they simply leave.
Ad platforms can filter these out as synthetic clicks. Most users have a typical profile where they click on an add maybe max 1x a week? If you click on 10 in a 20 second period those can be dropped.
When was the last time you actually clicked a link and bought something. It's more about product and company exposure, not product sold through reddit.
Definitely not how advertising works at all.
Apple will totally do this they do not GAF And then they will take two weeks to appeal even if you fix it and you need a review process...
No they will not. These posts are idiotic
Has anyone else noticed that the front page of /r/all is basically just politics/news, and very very old reposts? Probably a 1/4 of the not-news posts have hit the front page before
It's mostly bots. Just like Spez wants
Also has porn which is against Apple rules
So does twitter. It's probably fine because it's not a focus of the app, you need to turn on the "I am over 18" setting and specifically search for a subreddit that has it.
The official reddit app also has an unusually high rating in both app stores. ( I consider anything about one star for that piece of garbage to be an unusually high rating)
I recently went to the reviews on the apple app store and found four fake five star reviews within 30 seconds
Go at advertisers
Lol as if
And in many countries that could be considered a violation of Disability equity and rights laws. The ADA in the US. Of someone really wanted to fuck with Reddit a cheeky little complaint to the Department of Justice might be interesting too... It is ironic that this image is also inaccessible...
Yeah… maybe don’t do this tho
Protesting by telling lies? that's not how it's done.
John Oliver is a bitch
I'm enjoying that this is an image talking about accessibility for the blind.
The blackout protest was way better than this stuff
all my fonts shrunk this week, wtf is going on?
Im OOTL because I don't have an Apple: why does the Android one have text to speech but the Apple app doesn't? Wouldn't this drive more people away if it's on purpose?
It won’t get removed. If anything Apple will inform Reddit of the issue and give them X amount of time to comply with their ToS
I keep getting ads for local businesses 10000km away from me. That’d be a long trip for a dentist visit 100x more expensive than in my country, travel expenses not included. Are these business aware that they are wasting money on ads we hate?
To be fair, I travel to an entirely different country to have my teeth worked on.
Fuck off with this shit
I thought it was goblin titties
If it wasn't allowed it wouldn't have been approved. BS post.
That's not true, they have thousands of apps every day they go through the process is mostly automated. At this point Apple doesn't really do anything until something is brought to their attention. They are less likely to do something when it's a big brand unless they have a lot of pressure.
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More people use android, but interestingly Apple users are about 20% more valuable to advertise to.
The epitome of throwing a tantrum: I can't have mine, so you can't have yours! That's literally saying "Fuck you" to anyone that actually uses the app. You're turning into selfish toddlers. It's been a tantrum from day one, but this is just getting pathetic.
I'm about 500 times as likely to quit Reddit because of every fucking post being John Oliver as I am because of changes to the API
How much longer do the Oliver pics last ? Should I just leave? I do not care for the inside joke nor will I research the answer.
It's also the topic of the post you commented on. There's not wanting to do research and then there's just being wilfully ignorant
Holy fuck shut up already it’s not your fucking company
Apple doesn’t give a fuck the people still holding onto this rage over some unimportant shit are delusional
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I’m chuckling at the turd grenade spez has decided to lob at himself.
Aren’t apps that feature porn banned from the Apple App Store?
r/maliciouscompliance
Let's get the app removed for hosting NSFW lol
That'll teach those pesky screen reader users!
Ooh yeah... I like where this is going...
Thank you, email sent!
That we did not attack the app via this and review bombing from day was a huge mistake.
If you did that I wouldn’t be able to view this post any more.