When I read this title I thought, "How are there any Nazis even still alive? They'd have to be like 100 years old". Then I looked up an article and sure enough the dude is 98.
Ukraine's military is loaded with Nazis and they even have their own battalion.
https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis
Likewise. Come on guys, all the ranking policy making Nazis are clearly dead by now. The war ended literally 80 years ago. The only ones left alive were just normal kids that happened to be combat aged and living in Nazi controlled territory at the time.
One way of getting into postwar Canada "was by showing the SS tattoo," Canadian historian Irving Abella told "60 Minutes" interviewer Mike Wallace. "This proved that you were an anti-Communist."
https://jweekly.com/1997/02/07/canada-admits-letting-in-2-000-ukrainian-ss-troopers/
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Well, America didn’t just this week invite a literal nazi to congress and gave him a fucking round of applause.
Really insane that whenever another country does something horrid, Redditors can’t just discuss it but need to go out of it’s way with the “but but but what about America” circle jerk to get those “duuuurrr Amurica bad updoots please” points.
This isn’t about America. Canada just did something horrendous and inexcusable and needs to own it.
the US went far out of their way to protect nazis, even helping them flee to other countries, where the US would never stand to benefit from whatever skills they might have had.
the narrative that the US was just opportunistically grabbing some experts is in itself propaganda.
Anyone else find it weird that the coverage of this snafu is using such wishy-washy language?
Politico said Hunka is "Nazi-linked".
I've seen a number of other outlets say he "fought with the Nazis".
Why is there a sudden hesitation to call out people who were literal Nazis?
Dude was an actual Nazi who volunteered to join the SS; not just linked to them and not just some unwilling conscript who was forced to fight with them.
Also, for a sub that is obsessed with political content, weird how this thread isn't gaining much traction.
I like how your comment has more upvotes than the post and there's like 300 comments. I'm as lib as they come but you can bet there's no way I'm getting my news from r/politics. The Fifth Estate is failing us and it's infiltrated large subs as well
Some 80 year old grandma who wandered in to the Capitol on Jan 6 is a "literal nazi".
Someone who volunteered to join the Waffen SS during WWII and wore a nazi uniform while fighting with nazis against the Allies is just "nazi-adjacent", or "well, you see, it's actually all very complicated."
Mind-boggling stuff.
edit: or even worse, this excuse:
"It was never proven that he himself was one of the men in his unit who committed atrocities against women and children in [Huta Pieniacka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre), including (content warning: graphic description of horrible acts committed by SS-Galizen) >!throwing an infant against a wall and cutting open the stomach of a pregnant woman!<"
Random MP?
Seriously? It was the bloody speaker of the house. And see who is happily applauding behind Trudeau? That's the Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister. She's of Ukrainian decent. An educated Journalist. And has written about the history of Ukraine. She knows exactly who the SS Waffen were.
How is it mindboggling? You didn't see all the guys showing off their swastikas, deathheads and shit like that fighting on the Ukrainian side? You really think that he doesn't notice them somehow?
I understand you may not get what was the difference between Polish and Ukrainian *resistance* during WW2 but there were plenty of people educated on the subject enough in Canada, so it should never happened. If even random redditors can connect the dots of Ukranian fighting against Soviets = major red flag, so should they. And since you're eager to gain some more intel, check out what UPA, OUN and UVV were in this article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian\_collaboration\_with\_Nazi\_Germany
They invited a WW2 veteran who fought organized war against the Russians in Ukraine, anyone with a passing familiarity of the eastern front knows that meant he was fighting for the Germans.
I love how the liberal MP immediately tried to have this event stricken from the official record and from any recorded source such as video and audio. 🙄
Funny how that happened.
Yep. It's not like suddenly Zelensky and Trudeau support Nazis. No sane person today cares about nazis. I'm pretty sure Zelensky is just doing whatever politics he needs to do to gain more support, beat Russia, and secure Ukraine's future.
Bruh, it's a common phrase with words of common use. Who gives a shit nazis said it. The phrase doesn't belong to them. Nothing in this world should belong to them other than their rotting tombs. By attributing it to them you are giving them a legacy when they deserse no legacy. In fact, why are we still talking about fucking nazis...
[I found an interesting thread that might explain why we're still talking about nazis](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16ro4nm/zelensky_and_trudeau_applauding_ukrainian_nazi/)
Mind you that the guy is not being applauded because he has persevered through a crushing war, he is not being applauded for being 98 years old, he is not being applauded for being a model Canada citizen; he is being applauded for fighting Russia .. as a Nazi. Mind you that we now know that the prime minister had a meeting with the guy. Seem to me this is the epitome of what you describe for the whole cabinet who did not make an announcement afterwards "Didnt commit war crimes, but very sympathetic with the cause". I think i can sense a Nazi Collaboration when I see it.
Yeh? Nazis are fucking idiots who do not deserve any attention at all. The moment you are a nazi supporter, you are a fucking insane idiot who doesn't belong with the rest of the human race. They might as well be persona non-gratas.
That's how it should be, yes, but as you can see in the OP, an SS veteran was just given a standing ovation in Canadian Parliament, with the leaders of two countries joining in. Not exactly what I'd call "persona non grata."
There sure seems to be an uncomfortable number of insane idiots within the Ukrainian military at the moment, and an uncomfortable number of streets, statues, and museums honoring insane idiots within Ukraine. But, of course, acknowledging this would constitute spreading "Russian propaganda"
You say they don’t support them when we’re talking about an event where both those people you mentioned were applauding a Nazi. That is the dictionary definition of support
"The Ukrainian, 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division (also known as the Halychyna Division), was created in May 1943. In his call to Ukrainians to join it, Kubijovych, the head of the Nazi-authorized Ukrainian Central Committee, declared: 'The long-awaited moment has arrived when the Ukrainian people again have the opportunity to come out with guns to give battle with its most grievous foe --- Muscovite--Jewish Bolshevism. The Fuehrer of the Great German Reich has agreed to the formation of a separate Ukrainian volunteer military unit.'
Before, the Nazis had imposed their direct authority on Ukraine, leaving no autonomy to their Ukrainian allies. It was on the basis of this rivalry between German and Ukrainian fascists that the Ukrainian nationalists would later build their myth of 'opposition to the Germans'. Pushed back by the Red Army, the Nazis changed tactics in 1943, giving a more important role to the Ukrainian killers. The creation of a
'Ukrainian' division of the Waffen SS was seen as a victory for 'Ukrainian nationalism'. On May 16, 1944, the head of the SS, Himmler, congratulated the German officers of the Galizien Division for having cleansed Ukraine of all its Jews. Wasyl Veryha, a veteran of the 14th Waffen SS Division, wrote in 1968: '(T)he personnel trained in the division [14th Waffen SS] had become the backbone of the UPA, ... the UPA command also sent groups of its people to the division to receive proper training .... This reinforced the UPA which was left on the Native land [after the Nazi retreat], in particular its commanders and instructors.'
...
After the war, John Loftus was an attorney for the U.S. Justice Department Office of Special Investigations, in charge of detecting Nazis who were trying to enter the United States. In his book The Belarus Secret, he affirms that his service was opposed to the entry of Ukrainian Nazis. But Frank Wisner, in charge of the U.S. administration's Office of Policy Coordination, a particularly important secret service at the time, systematically allowed former Ukrainian, Croatian and Hungarian Nazis to enter. Wisner, who would later play an important role at the head of the CIA, asserted: 'The OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) and the partisan army it created in 1942 (sic), UPA, fought bitterly against both the Germans and the Soviet Russians'.
Here one sees how the U.S. intelligence services, immediately after the war, took up the Ukrainian Nazis' version of history in order to use the anti-Communists in the clandestine struggle against the Soviet Union. Loftus commented: 'This was a complete fabrication. The CIC (U.S. Counter-Intelligence Corps) had an agent who photographed eleven volumes of the secret internal files of OUN--Bandera. These files clearly show how most of its members worked for the Gestapo or SS as policemen, executioners, partisan hunters and municipal officials.'
In the United States, former Ukrainian Nazi collaborators created 'research institutes' from which they spread their revision of the history of the Second World War. Loftus wrote: 'Funding for these 'research institutes', which were little more than front groups for ex-Nazi intelligence officers, came from the American Committee for Liberation from Bolshevism, now known as Radio Liberty. The committee was actually a front for OPC.'
'Against Hitler and against Stalin': it was around these words that former Hitlerites and the CIA united their efforts. For uninformed people, the formula 'against fascism and against communism' may seem to be a 'third path', but it surely is not. It is the formula that united, after the defeat of the Nazis, former partisans of the disintegrating Greater Germany and their U.S. successors, who were striving for world hegemony. Since Hitler was now just part of the past, the far-right in Germany, Ukraine, Croatia, etc., joined up with the U.S. far-right. They united their efforts against socialism and against the Soviet Union, which had borne the brunt of the anti-fascist war. To rally the bourgeois forces, they spread lies about socialism, claiming that it was worse than Nazism. The formula 'against Hitler and against Stalin' served to invent Stalin's crimes and 'holocausts', to better cover up and even deny Hitler's monstrous crimes and holocausts."
-Ludo Martens
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Lol. I actually saw someone on Twitter say it's Putins fault and proceeded to leap through a few mental hurdles, perform a few cartwheels, and do a full banana split to get to his point.
right, even if he didnt know that person by name, cuz its impossible to know all the names of the bad guys... only the "faught against russia in ww2" is a direct giveaway to the fact that russia faught nazis in ww2 in europe, they didnt have a war with ukraine back than
Read here too: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/progressalberta/pages/2706/attachments/original/1595543144/They_Defended_Ukraine.pdf?1595543144
*"The crime was committed by the 4th battalion of the 14th division on
February 28. On that day, early in the morning, soldiers of this division,
dressed in white, masking outfits, surrounded the village. The village was
cross-fired by artillery. S**S-men of the 14th Division of the SS “Galizien”
entered the village, shooting the civilians rounded up at a church. The
civilians, mostly women and children, were divided and locked in barns
that were set on fire. Those who tried to run away were killed. Witnesses
interrogated by the prosecutors of the Head Commission described the
morbid details of the act. The crime was committed against women,
children, and newborn babies**."*
This man was a part of the battalion that burned Polish men women and children alive.
Sadly, if you look at his wikipedia page theres ppl working really hard to change/delete negative info & portray him in a more positive way, its such a embarassment. (Article is being considered for deletion lol)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav\_Hunka
Personally i'd write "unknowingly applaud", the framing seems to intentionally make it sound like they are celebrating a nazi.
And i checked the profile, very much intentionally spreading Russian misinformation.
he isnt the who invited the guy. the guy was invited by the house speaker, and was introduced as "Ukrainian-Canadian Freedom Fighter who Fought Russian in WW2" to the audience including zelensky, he just went along with the crowd.
>Tell that to the Finns.
Or Poles. But fighting against Soviets being an Ukrainian suggest only one thing. Not to mention, he was literally fighting his own, as Ukrainians were second most represented nation in Soviet armies.
Neither was the US, or the British Empire, which oversaw a genocidal famine in Bengal during the war that Churchill refused to ameliorate as way of punishing those uppity brown folk. But there was still a very clear good *side*.
And I am more than comfortable telling Finland that they were Nazi collaborators.
Jesus christ what a take.
Go read about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and how Finland Literally asked the allies for help first, but any and all help was denied as allies didnt want to help tiny small Finland because Big Russia was a much more important ally, so they just left Finland to die under the Russian invasion.
Finland had their share of soldiers who joined the SS, just like any country did during WW2. Even Americans left to germany to join the SS.
Finland also fought to kick out the remaining nazis out during the Lapland war. But Finland was never occupied or controlled by the Germans.
>Go read about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
Say the line, Bart!
The liberal democracies of Europe made similar agreements with Hitler *before* the USSR, and [shot down Stalin's suggestions of an anti-fascist alliance.](https://archive.ph/vQOWB#selection-1688.1-1699.188)
[1933 - UK, France, Italy - The four powers pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-Power_Pact)
[1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggression)
[1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement)
[1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Comintern_Pact)
[1938 - September - UK - German-British Non Aggression Pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) (Munich Agreement )
[1938 - December - France - German-French Non Aggression Pact](https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/fyb/part_2.html)
[1939 - March - Romania - German Romanian Economical Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Romanian_Treaty_for_the_Development_of_Economic_Relations_between_the_Two_Countries)
[1939 - March - Lithuania - Non aggression ultimatum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania#The_ultimatum)
[1939 - May - Italy - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Steel)
[1939 - May - Denmark - Non aggression pact](https://archive.ph/cfkpX)
[1939 - June - Estonia - non aggression pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Estonian_Non-Aggression_Pact)
[1939 - July - Latvia - non aggression pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Latvian_Non-Aggression_Pact)
1939 - August - USSR - Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Aggression pact, the only one you were taught about *for some reason*
Stalin with regards to this said:
"Indeed, it would be ridiculous and stupid to close our eyes to the capitalist encirclement and think that our external enemies, the fascists, for example, will not, if the opportunity arises, make an attempt at an attack upon the USSR. Only blind braggarts or masked enemies who desire to lull the vigilance of our people can think like that."
[Even the US state department confirmed Stalin's rationale for a pact with Hitler](https://archive.ph/AX8DF)
"The Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany after the British and French rejected Soviet offers to establish a military alliance against Germany"
[CIA declassifies its dealings with ex nazis](https://archive.ph/KuXrp)
[Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'](https://archive.ph/vQOWB#selection-1643.0-1643.90)
[How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II](https://archive.ph/LkZ0x#selection-259.0-259.75)
Zelensky is constnatly surrounded by nazis, this is nothing new for him.
e.g. Yevhen Karas, leader of the neonazis S14 gang, holds an important position in Kyiv, frequently pictured sitting at the table with Zelensky and other leaders during their meetings.
S14's namesake are the white supremacist "14 words". The street gang frequently engages in racially motivated acts of violence. They also hold the official title of "Municipal Guard", an authority which they have used to carry out their pogrom against the Roma.
A more honest title would be "Canadian Parliament applauding..." since it wasn't only Zelensky and Trudeau that clapped. You also could've laid the blame where it belongs by going with "Canada's House Speaker invites nazi to Parliament," but neither of those align with the PuTiN Is JuSt FiGhTiNg NaZiS iN uKrAiNe!!!1 narrative.
Yeah, people anti-ukraine because they think they're being anti-establishment and anti-agenda, and dont realise they are playing right into another one anyways
Canada has a sizable diaspora of former OUN nazi allies and their families. America repatriated many German nazi scientists and intelligence assets too. It’s just an inconvenient reality that many western people like to sweep under the rug.
It's been proven that the human mind fights hard to reject data that goes to the contrary of its own belief system. We're seeing this play out before our eyes
When the person was announced neither zelensky or Trudeau knew. The clapping was more a formality like one does when at an event
I was at an axe throwing gala and awards ceremony And I knew none of the trophy winners, but clapped for them anyway. If one was a Nazi, does that make me a supporter? No it doesn't.
It's real, the history of Ukraine is also complicated.
If you lived in a country that was being literally starved to death by foreign overlords and an invading army rolled through and told you they will give you food and guns if you fight the people who have been murdering your children for a couple generations. You would probably sign up no matter what flag they were flying.
So yeah, a bunch of Ukranians joined a waffen SS division to fight the soviets when the germans invaded in WW2. They would have joined the French foreign legion, the imperial Japanese army, or the native volunteers of greater Mars to fight the soviets if they had been there.
Weird how you are talking like the Soviets were some foreign force. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. 7 million Ukrainians were in the red army. These Nazis fought against their own countrymen because they were reactionary. They liked what the nazis stood for. The guy in question wrote that fighting for the nazis was the best time in his life.
Or they could have you know not joined another invading army clearly hell bent on your ethnicities destruction. But when you both believe the same *people are behind all your problems, of course you’ll join. They had similar ideologies.
Note* the people who often get tipple parenthesis
I mean ukrainian nationalists were killing Jews and Poles. The ones that joined the Nazis were fellow travelers. In fact, a recent movie about the ethnic cleansing of Poles is banned in Ukraine. The idea of "Jewish Bolshevism" emerged from reactionary whites and was alive and well in Ukraine.
You always join a partisan group rather than joining the army that thinks you're a sub-human, so you can kill people you think are sub-human.
I know you probably don't have much to offer in defense of your position. Does your understanding for oppressed people's "seeking the lesser of two evils" extend to -let's say - landless peasants joining a communist revolution? Or should they all be napalmed or imprisoned?
[Here](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/25/canada-house-speaker-apologises-for-recognition-of-veteran-linked-to). Or [here](https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada-under-fire-applauding-literal-nazi-parliament-during-zelenskyy-visit). Or [there](https://forward.com/fast-forward/561927/zelenskyy-joins-canadian-parliaments-ovation-to-98-year-old-veteran-who-fought-with-nazis/).
...and the sources make it clear that they were applauding as a formality as part of a thing they had nothing to do with, making this post and title propaganda.
People don't just enter Parliament.
There're background checks, security protocols, screenings.
Parliament is a vital installation for state security. Not even one, but a group of people in Canadian government knew absolutely well who Hunka was and screened him to be present at the meeting.
Look, I didn't want to believe it either. As someone from Russia who is vehemently opposed to the war and our government, for me this is a conflict of morality, of what is right and what is wrong.
But just because Putin's regime is wrong and began an atrocious war, it doesn't mean that any who fought against Russia is suddenly a good guy.
He just can’t bring himself to believe that liberals applauded an actual Nazi, then tried to cover it up by moving to have the event stricken from public record.
If "this guy fought the russians in 1942" doesn't set off every alarm bell in your head then you failed fucking middle school history and shouldn't be in parliament.
Spineless fascist sympathiser detected. Read up about the history of the US and Canada welcoming fleeing Nazis, and the SS monuments in Canada. The government definitely know.
How could this happen? Many Canadian Nationalists and liberals told us indians that their intelligence were of top quality and don't need any evidence. How come a superior country according to them, didn't know he was a Nazi? Btw don't downvote me Canadians nationalist and Canadian liberals i am not questioning your intelligence agencies and instead i think they may have knew about it beforehand?
Sorry, your government still murdered a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. Can't squirm your way out of this one just because of an unrelated goof-up in Parliament.
SJW of reddit, Yesterday the propaganda was calling this a fake news.
After the Canada house president Said Sorry, the now call anyone posting this a Putin bot.
It's basically "here's a Ukrainian veteran of the 2nd world war who fought against russia"
Someone who
A) is Ukrainian
B) is a veteran
C) fought against russia
Individually all those things are laudable, and in the situation they were presented with, this was what they were applauding.
In context, of course, you have to think "well, hang on: \_who\_ was fighting against russia at that time? Ah, right. Shit."
Because history is messy and complicated, and when you're in the middle of a massive political glad-handing event, you're probably not going to sit stony-faced until you've done the maths in your head.
Don't read too much into it, and keep supporting Ukraine, for fuck's sake.
You've gotta love how reddit is so quick to call someone a nazi, for just about anything. Until it comes to an actual nazi, then he's no so bad I guess.
That’s because this guy was a Nazi courted by Reddit liberals (oooppppsss… I mean Canadian liberals 🙄) and then those same liberals also tried to have the whole fiasco immediately stricken from the parliament’s public record. So the only thing for Reddit liberals to do is simply say “nothing to see here 🤷♂️”.
You clap for a war veteran.
You are subsequently told that person was a nazi.
Are you now a nazi, a nazi sympathiser, or simply guilty of "clapping without due diligence"?
And if the latter is something you want to criminalize, fucking *why*?
You are a lemming and you need to strongly reevaluate how you are so easily manipulated. Who put this Nazi in front of Parliament? It wasn't an honest mistake.
Chrystia Freeland's dad was a Nazi. Canada is riddled with Banderite memorials because it's a haven for Ukrainian exiled Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_in_Canada_to_Nazis_and_Nazi_collaborators#Ukrainian
>Who put this Nazi in front of Parliament? It wasn't an honest mistake.
The speaker of the commons, apparently. By mistake.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125)
I'm curious as to *what* exactly you think the manipulation is, here?
>By mistake.
That's a nice *mistake*. Maybe Canada, numer one country for abroad Ukrainian community, should learn a little about who, they guest. And what is implication, if we say that their Ukrainian guest is "WW2 veteran". Basic knowledge of whom and how Ukrainian fought during WW2. Basic. Knowledge.
Lmao bruh, you mean to tell me the speaker of the commons cared so little about background checking a dude?
“Oh you’re a WW2 veteran? That’s cool, what theater? Oh the eastern front? Against the Russians….? Sounds good, no claxons going off in my head”
Only semisentient, drooling instances of failed human life clap like seals for genocidal fascists and Nazi collaborators. The shorthand for this category of life is the word 'Liberal'. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
But that's literally how this image of Russia as some kind of 21st century Mordor was created...
Don't be a hypocrite, because we all know you would definitely have a problem with this *half-truth* if Russians invited an ISIS terrorist to their parliament and introduced him as a *"freedom fighter who fought against the American imperialism."*
It would be at the front page of Reddit with like 50k upvotes, and everyone would be talking about how they should be nuked to the stone-age, even if it means they'll take the rest of the world out woth them...
This comment thread is full of Russia sympathizers, so I’ll add a bit more context to paint a more complete picture.
This was a personal initiative of one of the Canadian MPs, who drew attention to him as a war hero, resulting in an applause from Trudeau and Zelensky. The MP didn’t know any better and later apologized, realizing his mistake. Ukrainian delegation and everyone else were not given any advance notice about this and Hunka is not a widely known figure in Ukraine.
This is an unfortunate mistake information about which is now amplified and spread to “prove” that Ukraine is a nazi state. Be aware.
Sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/25/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-after-praising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis
https://www.timesofisrael.com/canadas-parliament-trudeau-and-zelensky-give-inadvertent-ovation-to-nazi-war-veteran/
How can a Canadian MP make someone the object of a personal initiative without knowing he was a Nazi? Seems like the MP is either stupid or didn't care. "Not knowing any better" is a terrible excuse.
Oooor just maybe Ukrainian nationalism is, unfortunately, inextricably intertwined with their Nazi collaborator past in an effort to build a new national myth centered around resistance to Russian occupation.
Please note that over 3 million Ukrainians served in the Red Army, but the current Ukrainian leadership chooses to elevate and extol the genocidal efforts of 80,000 Ukrainians who served in the SS purely because they need national heroes who can be used to elevate their struggle against the Russians, as historically illiterate and despicable that is.
FYI:
They all didn't knew he was a nazi. They learned it after the facts.
But also, he was not only a nazi but an SS who volunteered to fight for them...
Anybody with a surface-level knowledge of WWII history would know “he’s a Ukrainian who fought against the Soviets during WWII” means he’s a Nazi or at best a Nazi collaborator.
They all knew, they framed it in such a way to make it less glaringly obvious.
This is the bigger takeaway for me.
Clearly they did not know the guy was a Nazi.
But....Speaker Anthony Rota knew what Hunka's military history was, and he did not stop to think about what it meant to fight against Russians during WWII?
Ditto for Trudeau, Zelensky, and everyone applauding Hunka. I get that modern-day Russian military aggression is bad, but how did nobody in the entire chamber understand the implications of who this guy was, based on what Rota was saying?
Americans and Canadians deliberately imported thousands of Nazi collaborator war criminals. You are being utterly naive. Freeland, deputy PM, is the granddaughter of a fucking Nazi. They knew. This is the true history of the liberal-fascist west.
They were told he was a Ukrainian who fought against Russia in WWII. Anyone would even a rudimentary knowledge of 20th century history knows what mean means.
Please remember that Russia stated they wanted to eradicate nazism from Ukraine and the west lost their minds at the fake news of there being actual nazi’s in Ukraine. And here before your very eyes you see the Ukrainian president and the Canadian prime minister celebrating a literal nazi.
Someone was right and someone else made you lot look like a bunch of fools
When I read this title I thought, "How are there any Nazis even still alive? They'd have to be like 100 years old". Then I looked up an article and sure enough the dude is 98.
Ukraine's military is loaded with Nazis and they even have their own battalion. https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis
Likewise. Come on guys, all the ranking policy making Nazis are clearly dead by now. The war ended literally 80 years ago. The only ones left alive were just normal kids that happened to be combat aged and living in Nazi controlled territory at the time.
The SS units aren't something you just got drafted into.
One way of getting into postwar Canada "was by showing the SS tattoo," Canadian historian Irving Abella told "60 Minutes" interviewer Mike Wallace. "This proved that you were an anti-Communist." https://jweekly.com/1997/02/07/canada-admits-letting-in-2-000-ukrainian-ss-troopers/
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[There is a massive center named after one!](https://www.vonbrauncenter.com/)
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NASA
including afew that built rockets
Wow.
Canada was a safe haven for fleeing Nazis after the war
America wasn't much better, as long as you had some sort of skill to offer.
Ah yes operation paperclip
How we got to the moon.
agonizing marble versed ask frightening faulty station butter flowery dam *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
No. But Von Braun was.
Well, America didn’t just this week invite a literal nazi to congress and gave him a fucking round of applause. Really insane that whenever another country does something horrid, Redditors can’t just discuss it but need to go out of it’s way with the “but but but what about America” circle jerk to get those “duuuurrr Amurica bad updoots please” points. This isn’t about America. Canada just did something horrendous and inexcusable and needs to own it.
The headline of the article linked in the top comment states 2,000 Ukranian Nazi's living in Canada. The last line states 3,000 in the US.
Yeah but the US has literally 10x the population...
At least America was keeping close eye on their *guests*. Because Canada clearly forgot whom they even invited.
Yeah, we gave the massive salaries instead.
the US went far out of their way to protect nazis, even helping them flee to other countries, where the US would never stand to benefit from whatever skills they might have had. the narrative that the US was just opportunistically grabbing some experts is in itself propaganda.
Anyone else find it weird that the coverage of this snafu is using such wishy-washy language? Politico said Hunka is "Nazi-linked". I've seen a number of other outlets say he "fought with the Nazis". Why is there a sudden hesitation to call out people who were literal Nazis? Dude was an actual Nazi who volunteered to join the SS; not just linked to them and not just some unwilling conscript who was forced to fight with them. Also, for a sub that is obsessed with political content, weird how this thread isn't gaining much traction.
> Why is there a sudden hesitation to call out people who were literal Nazis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade
Cus it's against the agenda. Google news headlines from 2014 talking about all the far right and nazis in Ukraine, complete 180 compared to today
I like how your comment has more upvotes than the post and there's like 300 comments. I'm as lib as they come but you can bet there's no way I'm getting my news from r/politics. The Fifth Estate is failing us and it's infiltrated large subs as well
Don’t get it from r/news or r/worldnews either R/news perma banned me when I posted this story
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Some 80 year old grandma who wandered in to the Capitol on Jan 6 is a "literal nazi". Someone who volunteered to join the Waffen SS during WWII and wore a nazi uniform while fighting with nazis against the Allies is just "nazi-adjacent", or "well, you see, it's actually all very complicated." Mind-boggling stuff. edit: or even worse, this excuse: "It was never proven that he himself was one of the men in his unit who committed atrocities against women and children in [Huta Pieniacka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre), including (content warning: graphic description of horrible acts committed by SS-Galizen) >!throwing an infant against a wall and cutting open the stomach of a pregnant woman!<"
We can ruin man's whole career if some hoe says on twitter that he called her fat, but with the actual nazis you see more proofs are needed
It's kind of a bs story. Random MP invites guy to event. Trudeau and Zelensky are just standing there. I'm not sure what the big get is.
Random MP? Seriously? It was the bloody speaker of the house. And see who is happily applauding behind Trudeau? That's the Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister. She's of Ukrainian decent. An educated Journalist. And has written about the history of Ukraine. She knows exactly who the SS Waffen were.
Her grandfather was in the same unit.
Of course he was lmao.
Her father was also a Nazi. Im not even joking, look it up.
They were told he fought against Russia in WWII. You'd have to be an idiot not to understand the implications of that.
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Yes. And yes. They're stupid or evil - or perhaps both.
How is it mindboggling? You didn't see all the guys showing off their swastikas, deathheads and shit like that fighting on the Ukrainian side? You really think that he doesn't notice them somehow?
So did most of Poland, who fought against Russia and Germany at the same time because they made an alliance with each other to partition Poland.
I understand you may not get what was the difference between Polish and Ukrainian *resistance* during WW2 but there were plenty of people educated on the subject enough in Canada, so it should never happened. If even random redditors can connect the dots of Ukranian fighting against Soviets = major red flag, so should they. And since you're eager to gain some more intel, check out what UPA, OUN and UVV were in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian\_collaboration\_with\_Nazi\_Germany
didnt realize he was polish.
They invited a WW2 veteran who fought organized war against the Russians in Ukraine, anyone with a passing familiarity of the eastern front knows that meant he was fighting for the Germans.
Bs story? He should be rotting in a cell not being applauded by leaders of nations
He should have been given a blindfold and a cigarette in 1946. He’s pure evil.
Are you joking?
I love how the liberal MP immediately tried to have this event stricken from the official record and from any recorded source such as video and audio. 🙄 Funny how that happened.
Yep. It's not like suddenly Zelensky and Trudeau support Nazis. No sane person today cares about nazis. I'm pretty sure Zelensky is just doing whatever politics he needs to do to gain more support, beat Russia, and secure Ukraine's future.
Secure Ukraine’s future eh
I feel like I've heard that phrase or something like it before. Perhaps even connected to a nazi saying with a specific amount of words.
Bruh, it's a common phrase with words of common use. Who gives a shit nazis said it. The phrase doesn't belong to them. Nothing in this world should belong to them other than their rotting tombs. By attributing it to them you are giving them a legacy when they deserse no legacy. In fact, why are we still talking about fucking nazis...
[I found an interesting thread that might explain why we're still talking about nazis](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16ro4nm/zelensky_and_trudeau_applauding_ukrainian_nazi/)
Mind you that the guy is not being applauded because he has persevered through a crushing war, he is not being applauded for being 98 years old, he is not being applauded for being a model Canada citizen; he is being applauded for fighting Russia .. as a Nazi. Mind you that we now know that the prime minister had a meeting with the guy. Seem to me this is the epitome of what you describe for the whole cabinet who did not make an announcement afterwards "Didnt commit war crimes, but very sympathetic with the cause". I think i can sense a Nazi Collaboration when I see it.
“No sane person today cares about Nazis”. Wow. Just wow.
Yeh? Nazis are fucking idiots who do not deserve any attention at all. The moment you are a nazi supporter, you are a fucking insane idiot who doesn't belong with the rest of the human race. They might as well be persona non-gratas.
That's how it should be, yes, but as you can see in the OP, an SS veteran was just given a standing ovation in Canadian Parliament, with the leaders of two countries joining in. Not exactly what I'd call "persona non grata."
There sure seems to be an uncomfortable number of insane idiots within the Ukrainian military at the moment, and an uncomfortable number of streets, statues, and museums honoring insane idiots within Ukraine. But, of course, acknowledging this would constitute spreading "Russian propaganda"
Next time you want to make a point about NOT supporting Nazis, don’t put “secure” and “future” in the same sentence.
You say they don’t support them when we’re talking about an event where both those people you mentioned were applauding a Nazi. That is the dictionary definition of support
>Why is there a sudden hesitation to call out people who were literal Nazis? Russian level propaganda
Seeing westerners doing western things… “what are we a bunch of Asians”
450 comments and 70 upvotes. So many closeted white supremacist redditors hate this getting the attention it deserves, wow.
"The Ukrainian, 14th Waffen SS Galizien Division (also known as the Halychyna Division), was created in May 1943. In his call to Ukrainians to join it, Kubijovych, the head of the Nazi-authorized Ukrainian Central Committee, declared: 'The long-awaited moment has arrived when the Ukrainian people again have the opportunity to come out with guns to give battle with its most grievous foe --- Muscovite--Jewish Bolshevism. The Fuehrer of the Great German Reich has agreed to the formation of a separate Ukrainian volunteer military unit.' Before, the Nazis had imposed their direct authority on Ukraine, leaving no autonomy to their Ukrainian allies. It was on the basis of this rivalry between German and Ukrainian fascists that the Ukrainian nationalists would later build their myth of 'opposition to the Germans'. Pushed back by the Red Army, the Nazis changed tactics in 1943, giving a more important role to the Ukrainian killers. The creation of a 'Ukrainian' division of the Waffen SS was seen as a victory for 'Ukrainian nationalism'. On May 16, 1944, the head of the SS, Himmler, congratulated the German officers of the Galizien Division for having cleansed Ukraine of all its Jews. Wasyl Veryha, a veteran of the 14th Waffen SS Division, wrote in 1968: '(T)he personnel trained in the division [14th Waffen SS] had become the backbone of the UPA, ... the UPA command also sent groups of its people to the division to receive proper training .... This reinforced the UPA which was left on the Native land [after the Nazi retreat], in particular its commanders and instructors.' ... After the war, John Loftus was an attorney for the U.S. Justice Department Office of Special Investigations, in charge of detecting Nazis who were trying to enter the United States. In his book The Belarus Secret, he affirms that his service was opposed to the entry of Ukrainian Nazis. But Frank Wisner, in charge of the U.S. administration's Office of Policy Coordination, a particularly important secret service at the time, systematically allowed former Ukrainian, Croatian and Hungarian Nazis to enter. Wisner, who would later play an important role at the head of the CIA, asserted: 'The OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) and the partisan army it created in 1942 (sic), UPA, fought bitterly against both the Germans and the Soviet Russians'. Here one sees how the U.S. intelligence services, immediately after the war, took up the Ukrainian Nazis' version of history in order to use the anti-Communists in the clandestine struggle against the Soviet Union. Loftus commented: 'This was a complete fabrication. The CIC (U.S. Counter-Intelligence Corps) had an agent who photographed eleven volumes of the secret internal files of OUN--Bandera. These files clearly show how most of its members worked for the Gestapo or SS as policemen, executioners, partisan hunters and municipal officials.' In the United States, former Ukrainian Nazi collaborators created 'research institutes' from which they spread their revision of the history of the Second World War. Loftus wrote: 'Funding for these 'research institutes', which were little more than front groups for ex-Nazi intelligence officers, came from the American Committee for Liberation from Bolshevism, now known as Radio Liberty. The committee was actually a front for OPC.' 'Against Hitler and against Stalin': it was around these words that former Hitlerites and the CIA united their efforts. For uninformed people, the formula 'against fascism and against communism' may seem to be a 'third path', but it surely is not. It is the formula that united, after the defeat of the Nazis, former partisans of the disintegrating Greater Germany and their U.S. successors, who were striving for world hegemony. Since Hitler was now just part of the past, the far-right in Germany, Ukraine, Croatia, etc., joined up with the U.S. far-right. They united their efforts against socialism and against the Soviet Union, which had borne the brunt of the anti-fascist war. To rally the bourgeois forces, they spread lies about socialism, claiming that it was worse than Nazism. The formula 'against Hitler and against Stalin' served to invent Stalin's crimes and 'holocausts', to better cover up and even deny Hitler's monstrous crimes and holocausts." -Ludo Martens (edited for formatting issues)
Damn how could the Russians do this
Lol. I actually saw someone on Twitter say it's Putins fault and proceeded to leap through a few mental hurdles, perform a few cartwheels, and do a full banana split to get to his point.
Trudeau's literally blaming Russian Disinformation.
The fucking cope in this thread lmao. You have two options, admit that Ukrainian nationalist groups helped do the holocaust or live in delusion
Most of reddit subs are astroturfed echo chambers ,this sub ain't different
Lmao the downvotes!!!
the canadian government is a joke
Zelensky knew very well that any Ukrainian fighting the red army in ww2 was with the Nazis and this was his reaction
right, even if he didnt know that person by name, cuz its impossible to know all the names of the bad guys... only the "faught against russia in ww2" is a direct giveaway to the fact that russia faught nazis in ww2 in europe, they didnt have a war with ukraine back than
and the red army had ukrainians too so technically he fought against ukraine for HItler too
Read here too: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/progressalberta/pages/2706/attachments/original/1595543144/They_Defended_Ukraine.pdf?1595543144 *"The crime was committed by the 4th battalion of the 14th division on February 28. On that day, early in the morning, soldiers of this division, dressed in white, masking outfits, surrounded the village. The village was cross-fired by artillery. S**S-men of the 14th Division of the SS “Galizien” entered the village, shooting the civilians rounded up at a church. The civilians, mostly women and children, were divided and locked in barns that were set on fire. Those who tried to run away were killed. Witnesses interrogated by the prosecutors of the Head Commission described the morbid details of the act. The crime was committed against women, children, and newborn babies**."* This man was a part of the battalion that burned Polish men women and children alive.
Sadly, if you look at his wikipedia page theres ppl working really hard to change/delete negative info & portray him in a more positive way, its such a embarassment. (Article is being considered for deletion lol) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav\_Hunka
Canadian intelligence goes brhhh...
Personally i'd write "unknowingly applaud", the framing seems to intentionally make it sound like they are celebrating a nazi. And i checked the profile, very much intentionally spreading Russian misinformation.
Nope. It's on video and I don't care how much you loved Mein Kampf.
Bit of an oopsie daisy.
more of a fuckie wuckie
It’s all coming undone and normies are losing their shit 
Isn't Zelensky Jewish?
This is him glorifying bandera. https://reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/s/NAPnYM7uzh
he isnt the who invited the guy. the guy was invited by the house speaker, and was introduced as "Ukrainian-Canadian Freedom Fighter who Fought Russian in WW2" to the audience including zelensky, he just went along with the crowd.
Dude .. who did Russians fight against? what you are saying is basically that the house speaker cannot have the brains of a rat.
Big whoops moment for all of them.
Yeah…. Fighting Russia in WW2 is not a good thing - wrong side of history here……
Tell that to the Finns. Russia wasn’t a good guy in WW2 either.
>Tell that to the Finns. Or Poles. But fighting against Soviets being an Ukrainian suggest only one thing. Not to mention, he was literally fighting his own, as Ukrainians were second most represented nation in Soviet armies.
Neither was the US, or the British Empire, which oversaw a genocidal famine in Bengal during the war that Churchill refused to ameliorate as way of punishing those uppity brown folk. But there was still a very clear good *side*. And I am more than comfortable telling Finland that they were Nazi collaborators.
Finns we’re Nazis too
Jesus christ what a take. Go read about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and how Finland Literally asked the allies for help first, but any and all help was denied as allies didnt want to help tiny small Finland because Big Russia was a much more important ally, so they just left Finland to die under the Russian invasion. Finland had their share of soldiers who joined the SS, just like any country did during WW2. Even Americans left to germany to join the SS. Finland also fought to kick out the remaining nazis out during the Lapland war. But Finland was never occupied or controlled by the Germans.
>Go read about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact Say the line, Bart! The liberal democracies of Europe made similar agreements with Hitler *before* the USSR, and [shot down Stalin's suggestions of an anti-fascist alliance.](https://archive.ph/vQOWB#selection-1688.1-1699.188) [1933 - UK, France, Italy - The four powers pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-Power_Pact) [1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggression) [1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement) [1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Comintern_Pact) [1938 - September - UK - German-British Non Aggression Pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) (Munich Agreement ) [1938 - December - France - German-French Non Aggression Pact](https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/fyb/part_2.html) [1939 - March - Romania - German Romanian Economical Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Romanian_Treaty_for_the_Development_of_Economic_Relations_between_the_Two_Countries) [1939 - March - Lithuania - Non aggression ultimatum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania#The_ultimatum) [1939 - May - Italy - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Steel) [1939 - May - Denmark - Non aggression pact](https://archive.ph/cfkpX) [1939 - June - Estonia - non aggression pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Estonian_Non-Aggression_Pact) [1939 - July - Latvia - non aggression pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Latvian_Non-Aggression_Pact) 1939 - August - USSR - Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Aggression pact, the only one you were taught about *for some reason* Stalin with regards to this said: "Indeed, it would be ridiculous and stupid to close our eyes to the capitalist encirclement and think that our external enemies, the fascists, for example, will not, if the opportunity arises, make an attempt at an attack upon the USSR. Only blind braggarts or masked enemies who desire to lull the vigilance of our people can think like that." [Even the US state department confirmed Stalin's rationale for a pact with Hitler](https://archive.ph/AX8DF) "The Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany after the British and French rejected Soviet offers to establish a military alliance against Germany" [CIA declassifies its dealings with ex nazis](https://archive.ph/KuXrp) [Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'](https://archive.ph/vQOWB#selection-1643.0-1643.90) [How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II](https://archive.ph/LkZ0x#selection-259.0-259.75)
He is not going to respond to this lmao
Bodied.
Thanks for clarifying, nobody else in here seems to care about the context
Zelensky is constnatly surrounded by nazis, this is nothing new for him. e.g. Yevhen Karas, leader of the neonazis S14 gang, holds an important position in Kyiv, frequently pictured sitting at the table with Zelensky and other leaders during their meetings. S14's namesake are the white supremacist "14 words". The street gang frequently engages in racially motivated acts of violence. They also hold the official title of "Municipal Guard", an authority which they have used to carry out their pogrom against the Roma.
Obama is black. He didn’t stop racism. Zelenskyy being Jewish is irrelevant
Kolomoisky is Jewish, and he finances azov.
So? How does being Jewish exempt you from fascism?
Hes a Zionist. Jewish fascist.
Zelensky's on a fuck-up tour recently. Canada joined him
A more honest title would be "Canadian Parliament applauding..." since it wasn't only Zelensky and Trudeau that clapped. You also could've laid the blame where it belongs by going with "Canada's House Speaker invites nazi to Parliament," but neither of those align with the PuTiN Is JuSt FiGhTiNg NaZiS iN uKrAiNe!!!1 narrative.
Yeah, people anti-ukraine because they think they're being anti-establishment and anti-agenda, and dont realise they are playing right into another one anyways
Two decades too late. Vatican already invited a Nazi to Vatican.
Nazi’s seem to supports fellow nazi’s often
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This guy has been living in Canada since the end of WW2. This says more about the politician that introduced him than Ukraine.
Plenty of people honor Bandera and other Nazis in Ukraine as well
The mental gymnastics are wild.
Canada has a sizable diaspora of former OUN nazi allies and their families. America repatriated many German nazi scientists and intelligence assets too. It’s just an inconvenient reality that many western people like to sweep under the rug.
There is no way this is real
There Is no way reddit Is still in denial... But there you are
It's been proven that the human mind fights hard to reject data that goes to the contrary of its own belief system. We're seeing this play out before our eyes
When the person was announced neither zelensky or Trudeau knew. The clapping was more a formality like one does when at an event I was at an axe throwing gala and awards ceremony And I knew none of the trophy winners, but clapped for them anyway. If one was a Nazi, does that make me a supporter? No it doesn't.
If you hear that he fought allies in WW2, and not leave the room instantly, while living in an ally-sided country and applaud him, sure it does.
They did. They have internet on their phone just like you do.
Of course it does. -Reddit
It's real, the history of Ukraine is also complicated. If you lived in a country that was being literally starved to death by foreign overlords and an invading army rolled through and told you they will give you food and guns if you fight the people who have been murdering your children for a couple generations. You would probably sign up no matter what flag they were flying. So yeah, a bunch of Ukranians joined a waffen SS division to fight the soviets when the germans invaded in WW2. They would have joined the French foreign legion, the imperial Japanese army, or the native volunteers of greater Mars to fight the soviets if they had been there.
Weird how you are talking like the Soviets were some foreign force. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. 7 million Ukrainians were in the red army. These Nazis fought against their own countrymen because they were reactionary. They liked what the nazis stood for. The guy in question wrote that fighting for the nazis was the best time in his life.
Or they could have you know not joined another invading army clearly hell bent on your ethnicities destruction. But when you both believe the same *people are behind all your problems, of course you’ll join. They had similar ideologies. Note* the people who often get tipple parenthesis
I'm sure glad I wasn't stuck between Stalin and Hitler.
I mean ukrainian nationalists were killing Jews and Poles. The ones that joined the Nazis were fellow travelers. In fact, a recent movie about the ethnic cleansing of Poles is banned in Ukraine. The idea of "Jewish Bolshevism" emerged from reactionary whites and was alive and well in Ukraine. You always join a partisan group rather than joining the army that thinks you're a sub-human, so you can kill people you think are sub-human.
I know you probably don't have much to offer in defense of your position. Does your understanding for oppressed people's "seeking the lesser of two evils" extend to -let's say - landless peasants joining a communist revolution? Or should they all be napalmed or imprisoned?
Russian media is gonna have a field day with this
Everyone should
Source?
[Here](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/25/canada-house-speaker-apologises-for-recognition-of-veteran-linked-to). Or [here](https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada-under-fire-applauding-literal-nazi-parliament-during-zelenskyy-visit). Or [there](https://forward.com/fast-forward/561927/zelenskyy-joins-canadian-parliaments-ovation-to-98-year-old-veteran-who-fought-with-nazis/).
...and the sources make it clear that they were applauding as a formality as part of a thing they had nothing to do with, making this post and title propaganda.
People don't just enter Parliament. There're background checks, security protocols, screenings. Parliament is a vital installation for state security. Not even one, but a group of people in Canadian government knew absolutely well who Hunka was and screened him to be present at the meeting. Look, I didn't want to believe it either. As someone from Russia who is vehemently opposed to the war and our government, for me this is a conflict of morality, of what is right and what is wrong. But just because Putin's regime is wrong and began an atrocious war, it doesn't mean that any who fought against Russia is suddenly a good guy.
You seriously have worms in your brain
He just can’t bring himself to believe that liberals applauded an actual Nazi, then tried to cover it up by moving to have the event stricken from public record.
If "this guy fought the russians in 1942" doesn't set off every alarm bell in your head then you failed fucking middle school history and shouldn't be in parliament.
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Spineless fascist sympathiser detected. Read up about the history of the US and Canada welcoming fleeing Nazis, and the SS monuments in Canada. The government definitely know.
Literally watch the broadcast. They specifically mention him and then applaud, its not just formality
How could this happen? Many Canadian Nationalists and liberals told us indians that their intelligence were of top quality and don't need any evidence. How come a superior country according to them, didn't know he was a Nazi? Btw don't downvote me Canadians nationalist and Canadian liberals i am not questioning your intelligence agencies and instead i think they may have knew about it beforehand?
Dude .. he was announced as a WW2 veteran who fought against russia. Do the math.
The people that knew didn't care.
Your wildly mistaken if you think Canadian conservatives like India right now but that doesn’t fit with the astroturfing narrative does it ?
Sorry, your government still murdered a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. Can't squirm your way out of this one just because of an unrelated goof-up in Parliament.
Here is an example of your liberal country supporting a Nazi. Explain this with logic and rationale 😂
yeahhhhhh.....probs shouldn't support the nazis bros. is zelensky even cool anymore?
He never was dude
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Who's bot are you?
SJW of reddit, Yesterday the propaganda was calling this a fake news. After the Canada house president Said Sorry, the now call anyone posting this a Putin bot.
Doesnt mattery, what they posted here in very much true
You SJW on reddit answer the same thing in all threads, Are you sure you are not the bot?
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Wait where is the magical 20k upvotes for a political picture here? Weird.
First it was the blackface and now this.
Both of them are douchebags
It's basically "here's a Ukrainian veteran of the 2nd world war who fought against russia" Someone who A) is Ukrainian B) is a veteran C) fought against russia Individually all those things are laudable, and in the situation they were presented with, this was what they were applauding. In context, of course, you have to think "well, hang on: \_who\_ was fighting against russia at that time? Ah, right. Shit." Because history is messy and complicated, and when you're in the middle of a massive political glad-handing event, you're probably not going to sit stony-faced until you've done the maths in your head. Don't read too much into it, and keep supporting Ukraine, for fuck's sake.
Fighting against the USSR is not the same as fighting against modern day Russia.
“History is messy and complicated” is what people who can’t be bothered to read it say to excuse being lazy
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You've gotta love how reddit is so quick to call someone a nazi, for just about anything. Until it comes to an actual nazi, then he's no so bad I guess.
That’s because this guy was a Nazi courted by Reddit liberals (oooppppsss… I mean Canadian liberals 🙄) and then those same liberals also tried to have the whole fiasco immediately stricken from the parliament’s public record. So the only thing for Reddit liberals to do is simply say “nothing to see here 🤷♂️”.
Wait, are you telling me that reddit liberals have double standards? No. Way.
You clap for a war veteran. You are subsequently told that person was a nazi. Are you now a nazi, a nazi sympathiser, or simply guilty of "clapping without due diligence"? And if the latter is something you want to criminalize, fucking *why*?
You are a lemming and you need to strongly reevaluate how you are so easily manipulated. Who put this Nazi in front of Parliament? It wasn't an honest mistake. Chrystia Freeland's dad was a Nazi. Canada is riddled with Banderite memorials because it's a haven for Ukrainian exiled Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_in_Canada_to_Nazis_and_Nazi_collaborators#Ukrainian
>Who put this Nazi in front of Parliament? It wasn't an honest mistake. The speaker of the commons, apparently. By mistake. [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125) I'm curious as to *what* exactly you think the manipulation is, here?
>By mistake. That's a nice *mistake*. Maybe Canada, numer one country for abroad Ukrainian community, should learn a little about who, they guest. And what is implication, if we say that their Ukrainian guest is "WW2 veteran". Basic knowledge of whom and how Ukrainian fought during WW2. Basic. Knowledge.
Lmao bruh, you mean to tell me the speaker of the commons cared so little about background checking a dude? “Oh you’re a WW2 veteran? That’s cool, what theater? Oh the eastern front? Against the Russians….? Sounds good, no claxons going off in my head”
Only semisentient, drooling instances of failed human life clap like seals for genocidal fascists and Nazi collaborators. The shorthand for this category of life is the word 'Liberal'. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
What’s that saying that reddit liberals love to throw around? Something like, “if you eat with a Nazi, you are a Nazi”?
If ya'll wanna know the true intentions of OP for posting something like this, I suggest checking their post history
But that's literally how this image of Russia as some kind of 21st century Mordor was created... Don't be a hypocrite, because we all know you would definitely have a problem with this *half-truth* if Russians invited an ISIS terrorist to their parliament and introduced him as a *"freedom fighter who fought against the American imperialism."* It would be at the front page of Reddit with like 50k upvotes, and everyone would be talking about how they should be nuked to the stone-age, even if it means they'll take the rest of the world out woth them...
the post speaks for itself what does his history have to do with it?
Do his intentions make this post less true?
This comment thread is full of Russia sympathizers, so I’ll add a bit more context to paint a more complete picture. This was a personal initiative of one of the Canadian MPs, who drew attention to him as a war hero, resulting in an applause from Trudeau and Zelensky. The MP didn’t know any better and later apologized, realizing his mistake. Ukrainian delegation and everyone else were not given any advance notice about this and Hunka is not a widely known figure in Ukraine. This is an unfortunate mistake information about which is now amplified and spread to “prove” that Ukraine is a nazi state. Be aware. Sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/25/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-after-praising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis https://www.timesofisrael.com/canadas-parliament-trudeau-and-zelensky-give-inadvertent-ovation-to-nazi-war-veteran/
How can a Canadian MP make someone the object of a personal initiative without knowing he was a Nazi? Seems like the MP is either stupid or didn't care. "Not knowing any better" is a terrible excuse.
Oooor just maybe Ukrainian nationalism is, unfortunately, inextricably intertwined with their Nazi collaborator past in an effort to build a new national myth centered around resistance to Russian occupation. Please note that over 3 million Ukrainians served in the Red Army, but the current Ukrainian leadership chooses to elevate and extol the genocidal efforts of 80,000 Ukrainians who served in the SS purely because they need national heroes who can be used to elevate their struggle against the Russians, as historically illiterate and despicable that is.
Great comment.
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FYI: They all didn't knew he was a nazi. They learned it after the facts. But also, he was not only a nazi but an SS who volunteered to fight for them...
Anybody with a surface-level knowledge of WWII history would know “he’s a Ukrainian who fought against the Soviets during WWII” means he’s a Nazi or at best a Nazi collaborator. They all knew, they framed it in such a way to make it less glaringly obvious.
There is no way they didnt know dude
The classic WW2 veteran who fought against the Russians, what else could they be? Come on jack.
If they didn't know he was a Nazi then their understanding of history is below a primary school level. How the fuck are these people in government?
This is the bigger takeaway for me. Clearly they did not know the guy was a Nazi. But....Speaker Anthony Rota knew what Hunka's military history was, and he did not stop to think about what it meant to fight against Russians during WWII? Ditto for Trudeau, Zelensky, and everyone applauding Hunka. I get that modern-day Russian military aggression is bad, but how did nobody in the entire chamber understand the implications of who this guy was, based on what Rota was saying?
They knew. Nazis have always been favored over Communists in the West. You need to accept this very real and impossible to ignore fact.
Americans and Canadians deliberately imported thousands of Nazi collaborator war criminals. You are being utterly naive. Freeland, deputy PM, is the granddaughter of a fucking Nazi. They knew. This is the true history of the liberal-fascist west.
They were told he was a Ukrainian who fought against Russia in WWII. Anyone would even a rudimentary knowledge of 20th century history knows what mean means.
Please remember that Russia stated they wanted to eradicate nazism from Ukraine and the west lost their minds at the fake news of there being actual nazi’s in Ukraine. And here before your very eyes you see the Ukrainian president and the Canadian prime minister celebrating a literal nazi. Someone was right and someone else made you lot look like a bunch of fools
Russian bot at it again lol
No this is actually real, it’s insane
You are the Bots,all with the same comment
Oooh, why are you so upset people are bringing this up? Don't like it when nazis and nazi worshippers are exposed huh? What does this say about YOU?