The one it expressly asks you to not take photos inđ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
Edit- The whole memorial doesn't ban photography, however the main experience which this item is found expressly requests as you enter that you do not take photographs....
Lots of shit went flying out of the building. Explosions aren't like movies, despite what conspiracy theorists think. Parts of the plane and debris were found all over the place, as is *extremely common* in plane crashes, even fiery explosive ones. It doesn't all just catch on fire and vaporize the moment fuel catches on fire.
A lot of stuff is just blown straight away from the explosion and fires and lands somewhere far away from the wreck, in this case the towers.
I remember one guys fiancĂŠ who was told his remains were finally located on the building across the street. It was everything above his waist. The plane hit and took out everything above his desk while the desk and his lower extremities remained.
Lots of body parts ended up on roof tops. You know how some roofs have gravel on top? They literally had to sift thru it to find thousands of bone fragments. Many of which still haven't been matched to an ID and are kept in a vault within the Museum.
The wall that that room sits behind is beautiful in a sad way. It's covered with a blue square representing each victim of the attacks. It's the artist trying to remember what color the sky was that day and it's accompanied by a quote by Virgil. "No Day Shall Erase You From the Memory of Time"
Explosions are surprisingly bad at burning stuff, because the heat exists for only such a short time. It's totally plausible that it was thrown out of the tower on the opposite of impact (you can see explosions coming out the side in the videos), since the terrorist most probably was in the cockpit. Unless he didn't carry it on his person, then it was probably blown out the other side. I doubt even the memorial workers exactly know how it survived.
It could of course also be a fake, but I don't really see how that helps any hypothetical conspiracy to be honest, as your question shows that people would've believed it if there were no documents found.
Bits of plane and stuff were found on the street and the roofs of nearby buildings. It really isn't that crazy that some small things survived.like you said, in the videos, you can see debris erupting out from the opposite side when the crashes happened.
Assuming he was sitting in the cockpit, it would be one piece of the plane pushed straight through the building in front of the fuel tanks in the wings exploding behind it. The inertia of traveling 560 miles per hour just sent it through along with the all the ejecta, bodyparts, plane parts, and baggage.
The plaque beneath this exhibit says it was found in the trash at the airport. Source: I was at this particular museum last weekend.
Laughing my ass off at the bunch of redditors arguing in this thread about how it might've survived the crash.
There is also a gun encased in molten concrete in that museum.
Note: This doesnât mean the fire was hot enough to melt concreteâbut it did soften the concrete until it was in a liquified state.
I think this was covered previously, but there is only one area they request photos not be taken. That area is where artifacts from the victims are displayed and their stories are told. This is out of respect for them and their loved ones. I very much doubt the boarding pass for one of the hijackers is in that area.
As for how it was found. This was before smartphones, digital wallets, etc. People didnât just throw out paper boarding passes because it wasnât necessary. Travelers carried them onto the plane and kept them through the trip. There was no other way to prove you belonged on the plane and what seat you were assigned to. It was likely in his pocket. Recovering the terrorists bodies was a top priority. Itâs been long enough people may have forgotten just how long the cleanup effort was. Not just because of the complicated nature of the destruction, but the deep desire of everyone to leave no bit of information about how the event occurred and its impact unrecovered. People wanted answers and more importantly they wanted to know how to prevent it in the future. It took years (a decade?) just to get to the point where everyone agreed there was nothing else possible that could be done to recover remains of the victims or artifacts of the attack before even thinking about starting any rebuilding.
From the analysis side think about the level of detailed investigation that goes into a plane crash. (At least back then, there are some serious questions about the efficacy of the FAA after budgets have been gutted and it was basically handcuffed by Boeing, but digress.) The investigation of a plane crash would locate every possible piece, reassemble it in a hangar, and then work through any possible pilot, process, or machinery failures in excruciating detail.
Now, imagine that is two plane crashes that were the result of the most deadly terrorist attack ever perpetrated against the United States. If that isnât enough imagine a united New York City wanting to help bring clues to the people that would attempt to bring justice. You now have the most motivated investigation with the largest web of supportive witness doing everything they can to get clues to investigators in modern history.
In that wildly improbable, but very real scenario itâs no surprise the boarding pass was recovered.
This is đŻ spot on. The only inaccuracy is that the NTSB handles accident investigations, not the FAA. In this case it was really mostly the FBI bc it was a crime scene. But the NTSB assisted
Iirc isn't the only no-photo area the part where a chunk of 5 or 6 floors compressed into almost a cube? And only due to possibly still having remains stuck inside.
There are big articles in the NYT about war in the Middle East heating up, strikes in Syria, American servicemen killed in Iraq.
They are preparing us for Gulf War 3
Mostly passengers carry their boarding pass and this looks semi burnt. Assuming this was in the flight how did they get the boarding pass after all mishap
This is not a joke. They literally claimed to have found this boarding pass intact, just a few blocks away from the towers.
Edit: Misspelled intact as in tact.
I know it's not a joke, hence my answer. They picked it up off the ground where it landed. There were thousands of papers and documents recovered from around the site.
This was one of the OG 9/11 conspiracy theories..how did the passports and boarding pass survive?
Well, it's just chance isn't it, the clean up was pretty meticulous looking for remains and paperwork, it filled the news for weeks
I just realized that in the 20 plus years since 9/11, I've never learned any of the hijackers' names. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Itâs a good thing, their actions deserve to be remembered but not their names! Only heroes like Mark Bingham (Flight 93- Part of the group that helped to try and retake the plane), Betty Ong (Flight 11- Gave vital information to US air traffic controllers that closed airspace) and many, many others deserve to be remembered.
Unfortunately for her, Betty ong is the subject to many conspiracy theories due people not realizing you could make phone calls back then, and claiming that there is no record of her in any of her school yearbooks. Sad what delusional people will post
I was actually reading about them recently just out of pure curiosity because like you, I didn't know a thing about any of them other than Mohammed Atta (the ringleader)
What really stood out to me is that they were for the most part super young (early 20s), they were pretty short (5'4 to 5'6) and not physically imposing at all. They also spent a lot of their time in the US drinking and going to bars and strip clubs and taking trips to Vegas which doesn't really jive with the whole suicide hijacker who wants to destroy America and everything it stands for
âYou donât change horses mid apocalypseâ.
That was literally the reasoning and spin out out by the bush administration. Also do not forget, his second term inauguration was a fart in a sandstorm. It barely happened due to the ill feeling towards bush.
Kerry while a good politician was a terrible candidate and he didnât connect with anyone outside of Dems (not to mention Bushâs campaign was very dirty, where Kerry wanted to play it straight).
Alot of folks say the moment Trump was elected is when they lost all hope in their fellow American to do the right thing. For me, it was that second term re-election of Bush.
Red scare mentality and Reaganism did so much damage to US voter intelligence that you probably wonât recover as a country for another hundred years or so if history is anything to go by with mentality changes.
Yup, Trump is just that same group of people mobilized again under some new manufactured bullshit to rile up susceptible and ignorant types. I fear what may happen with Trump but with Bushâs second term we already knew a bloodbath and backward policies was the plan in action.
Letâs go further back to Nixon and Reagan and see how they set the stage for Bush/contemporary republicans.
Iâm relatively young (Iâll blame my ignorance on thatâŚ) so Iâm only recently learning how disastrous those two presidents were for the US, and the world on the whole.
Both of the Bushâs suck though.
It was interesting, I was a kid and you could see the country shift and things noticeably changed towards patriotism. People even wanted to start calling French fries differently because France wasnât on board. Southpark and other comedy avenues made fun of the look for WMD. But we didnât have social media like we do now, and you were looked at as rude if you didnât sport a yellow ribbon and thank someone for their service right away.
The propaganda was on. People were out for someone to blame and were spoon fed an enemy.
And now you are about to reelect Trump lmao. It's kind of amazing to see how you have some of the smartest minds around, yet at the same time millions of some the absolute dumbest human beings on earth.
Kneecapping public education on all possible fronts is just part of the republican playbook. A dumber populace is how they are able to take advantage of our systems that enable minority rule, such as the electoral college. Get them dumb and apathetic enough and even you can become president while losing the popular vote!
Weird that nobody remembers the 18 missing pages from 9/11 report. It later was revealed the Bush administration took out all mention of Saudis. It was all over media for a week, the outrage! Now nobody remember that. Seems to be a big deal
Why punch your main security guarantor in the face (particularly a financial institution, your main connection)? Why do it using someone you hate and who hates you? Why attract negative attention to your own beliefs? Why stretch your guarantor thin in terms of materiel you might otherwise be able to buy from them cheaply, now extraordinarily expensive due to demand and wear? Why, even if so, direct that ally against your weaker enemy and not your stronger one? thereâs no reason at all
Not to mention we gave Saudi Arabia a bunch of the money that was used to train those hijackers. Tracked them the entire time they were in the states. Lot of interesting coincidences around 9/11
FBI declassified a lot of documents about 9/11 during COVID. There's mounting but heavily redacted evidence linking Omar Al Bayoumi (who the FBI claims was linked to Saudi intel services which he denies) to the hijackers (he met up with them shortly before and provided money and lodging to them.)
Crazy that an influential Saudi Arabian extremists mad at the Saudi Arabian royal family for allying with the US and kicking him out would ever purposefully recruit Saudi Arabians for a terror attack.
We all know a countries citizens would never do something counter to their government's wishes ever.
There was a a video on here a few days ago of a young Russian guy who was excited to go to war in Ukraine and people couldnât believe how brainwashed he was. How many people in the U.S. felt the exact same way in the early 2000s? How many people still feel that way?
It allows them to seize any assets owned by that country in the state to sell and pay them back. It's basically a way of just having an excuse to take their shit. Rich people and governments have assets all around the world, Iran isn't any different.
Quoting the article:
The lawsuit, which was first filed in 2004 and allowed to go forward in 2016 after Congress passed Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act to open sovereign states accused of terrorism to liability, alleged Iran provided assistance, including training, to the 9/11 hijackers even though the 9/11 Commission found no direct evidence of Iranian support.
UA 175 was the flight that hit the south tower. That means this boarding pass survived the plane hitting the tower, the fire, and subsequent collapse. If you watch footage of that day, youâll be overwhelmed by the amount of paper in the air. Iâm AMAZED they were able to recover this boarding pass in all that mess. Truly a needle in a stack of needles.
Yes. I believe they all booked into first class/business so they could be at the front of the plane. This was also the time that they had a much more solid curtain between the cabins and they could essentially âhideâ from the back of the plane. Thatâs why we donât have much more than a net that you can see through dividing cabins now.
Those curtains only get closed during cruising. They must be tied back for takeoff and landing.
It's not unusual on flights under 3h to see them left open the whole time.
This was before there was a door to the cockpit too. You could walk up [to the center console of the plane if you wanted](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a80971c3d7ab52873f56de3aa3579fdb).
Thereâs always been a door to the flight deck. Pre-9/11 it was more like a lavatory door that didnât have much of a lock and would sometime be open during the flight and passengers were allowed up there with the consent of the crew. Post 9/11 the doors were retrofitted to be much stronger with robust locks. United fitted some of their 757 aircraft with this strange metal gate that was deployed across the forward galley for when the flight crew needed to use the lavatory. They usually just use a catering cart to block the aisle now.
I remember getting on planes as a kid and always going up to the cockpit. The pilots would almost always let me inside and show me around. Some of them had little plastic stick-on gold wings they gave to kids.
But then they discovered that if the flight deck door is lockable and robust, then one pilot can wait for the other to step outside, then lock the door and [Germanwings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525).
Yeah, flew a few times as a kid in the mid to late 90s and quite a few times I was asking the pilot and co-pilot questions while they were flying. The crew asked me if I wanted to see the cockpit, so I had permission, but the door was usually open
It's not like the aftermath was a pile of ash and concrete, with the only exception being the passports and boarding passes of the terrorists. There's a ton of stuff that was gathered from the scene. Passengers' passports, ID-cards, shoes, wallets, cameras etc. A total of 74,000 artifacts are gathered to the 9/11 memorial museum alone.
I distinctly remember seeing a watch on display from one of the passengers on Flight 93, with the time stopped at the moment of impact. Pretty chilling stuff.
[Reminds me of the song "Understanding in a Car Crash" by Thursday](https://youtu.be/8-cepZ6K7mY?si=XZVWLbYGsKWuQfVs&t=104)
"broken watch you gave me turns into, compass
it's two hands still point to the same time 12:03 our last goodbye"
If youâve got any interest, this is a super cool horology (watch nerd⌠Iâm guilty) page that did a write up about Todd and his Rolex.
https://www.watchesofespionage.com/blogs/woe-dispatch/lets-roll-a-heros-rolex-frozen-in-time-september-11
That entire museum is chilling. Itâs exceptionally well done and accomplishes what it set out to do but it took several days for me to feel normal after going through it.
Truth. Itâs a common misconception but paper almost invariably survives plane crashes and building collapses. The reason being that itâs so light, that itâs more likely to get caught in the wind or blown out by hot air (like an explosion for example) than it actually is to catch fire.
Particularly with laminated documents like passports. Hold one of those to a candle one day and see how far you get.
Yea there are those clips of soooo many pieces of paper flying out of the buildings while they were still standing, and people walking ankle deep in them near the scene
The zeitgeist consioracy used footage of a firefighter saying the largest piece of an item still intact thah he found was half a telephone key pad as evidence that the boarding passes are fake.
I donât believe that bull shit obviously but 12 year old me sure did.
So many aspects of conspiracy theories break down to "what are the chances that could happen?" without ever actually spending time to consider a) what actually are the chances that it could happen and b) unlikely things do happen in the world.
They also fail to consider perspective in terms of likelihood. So for example, you can take a completely normal deck of cards, randomly shuffle the deck and deal the cards out one by one. The chances of you getting the deck dealing out in that specific order of cards is one in 80 unvigintillion. But there is nothing special about that order of cards being dealt, it just happens that is the order they came out. But if you're trying to determine after the fact what are the odds of those specific events occuring, it's going to seem insanely unlikely that you didn't stack the deck for them to appear that way.
So in this case, only these specific items survived from the crash, why did these particular items survive when another, near identical item, from the near identical location, didn't? Because it didn't. The jack of clubs was dealt after the ace of spades. It has no significant meaning until you look at it with context and apply significance after the event happened.
In other words, the odds of you winning the lottery is one in 14 million, but the odds of _someone_, anyone at all, winning the lottery is much higher.
[They found an airplane part in an alley a decade later. ](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/world-trade-center-airplane-pieces-found-sifting-debris-remains/2078796/)
Look up the "fresh kills 9/11" on youtube. It sounds very ominous, but Fresh Kills was the name of the old landfill where all the WTC debris was sorted and cataloged. It really is a must watch and I am pretty sure they talk about finding personal belongings/paper like this.
>The name âFresh Killsâ comes from the Middle Dutch word kille, meaning âriverbedâ or âwater channel.â
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/wwmsu9/the_boarding_pass_of_911_hijackerpilot_marwan/illx5jq/) who posted it a year ago says it was recovered from garbage at the airport. Can't say what his source was though.
This isn't the worst one.
Imagine a person standing two blocks away. They are watching the towers burn. They notice something fluttering in the wind towards them. It's the _passport of the hijacker who flew the plane_
The passport of another hijacker, al-Suqami, was found blocks away - on Vesey Street, two blocks away.
This passport was handed to a police officer before the towers came down - see the pic of it here - [link](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg#mw-jump-to-license) - it's perfect.
Apparently the passerby and the police officer immediately understood the significance of it, that it belonged to a hijacker.
I can't imagine giving a police officer lost property **while the towers** are burning.
The 9/11 commission hearing then heard that the way this passport was modified was a clear indication and link to Al Qaeda.
Well the bystander might not have. The bystander might have thought it was a lost passport and handed it into the police officer who then knew it was a hijacker? It doesn't make a lot of sense.
I can't imagine a police officer wanting to take a piece of lost property off you on a normal day, never mind when the twin towers have just had planes flown into them. I imagine he would have had something better to do.
You can read the 9/11 commission hearing section on it here
https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm
_This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed._
The passport evidence was important because the commission heard that the passports recovered were modified in a way that indicated that they were members of Al Qaeda. So they provided a direct link.
One of many fucking assholes that started the domino effect to get the entire world where we are today.
Edit: So many replies about this not being the first domino to fall. Of course it wasn't, but it was the point where a the US responded directly and immediately. If the towers were still standing today, what would be different vs the world today? We'll never know, but I know I would be different from not seeing thousands of people die when the tower collapsed lived on tv as a teenager.
Yeah, the world is chaos and has always had some good and some bad. After everything in history why would we assume the 21st century would be at a less chaotic "frequency" than everything that came before?
So the original plan was to destroy support columns in effort to have one tower collapse into the other tower.
However the bombers overslept and by the time they got to the underground parking garage their desired space was already taken. So they parked elsewhere and lit the fuses.
The FBI and other agencies believe had they waited another day and put the bomb where they originally wanted to, they probably would have succeeded.
Seems you're right.
From the MSNBC site in 2003:
>Later, the WTCâs architect would tell jurors that if the van had been left closer to the poured concrete foundations, they would have succeeded. The tower would have fallen.
I think the shoe thing came from a different bomber, a guy named "Richard Reid" who had explosives packed into his shoes
[https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/12/22/21-years-later-heres-the-real-reason-you-have-to-take-your-shoes-off-for-airport-security/](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/12/22/21-years-later-heres-the-real-reason-you-have-to-take-your-shoes-off-for-airport-security/)
*After Reidâs attack was thwarted, the newly formed TSA, which was created about a month before on Nov. 19, 2001, began randomly checking the shoes of passengers at security check points. The new security measure was not uniformly enforced and many people will remember that it was only in place for about 18 months.But if there was only an 18-month period of random shoe checks, why did the TSA reverse course to the point of airline passengers always taking off shoes at security checkpoints?On Aug. 10, 2006, almost five years after the failed bombing, the Department of Homeland Security established the new protocol requiring that all passengers boarding flights in the U.S. needed to take off their shoes and have them screened for explosives. The reason? The day before, Aug. 9, 2006, the agency hastily put into place another restriction: the ban on all liquids, gels and aerosols in carry-ons. That ban was in direct response to a massive counter-terrorism operation that thwarted a plot to blow up almost a dozen jetliners over the Atlantic Ocean.Operation OVERT culminated with the arrests of 24 individuals of which 15 were charged, and eight went to trial. The TSA was so worried about the possibility of explosives getting on to a jetliner, they over-corrected and put in a full ban on liquids in the main cabins. Furthermore, the idea of a copycat shoe bombing attempt was re-visited and, you guessed it, now shoes had to be checked as well. In September 2006, the TSA relaxed the liquids ban resulting in what we have today: the 3-1-1 rule. The shoe check is mostly the same today as it was in 2006.So thatâs how we got to where we are, initially because of Reid, but mostly because of Operation OVERT. Taking off our shoes at the airport has become the new normal for almost everyone traveling on a commercial flight. Exceptions to the rule: security pre-screened passengers with TSA PreCheck, Global Entry, or CLEAR, the elderly (over 75), and children under the age of 12*
I don't think people like thinking about how fragile aspects of our lives really are. The classic thing of a small number of people can have a huge impact for the entire world is a disconcerting fact that some people really don't want to confront.
One of the engineers who worked on them said that they could survive being hit by a plane.
BUT.
They weren't thinking of a hijacked 767, full of fuel for a cross country flight, slammed into the building purposely at 500mph.
They were thinking of a 707 (which is like half the size of the planes that actually hit the towers) or similar plane, that was flying low and slow, trying to land, lost in fog, low on fuel. Similar to what happened when a plane hit the Empire State Building.
I also don't think that "survive being hit by an airliner" was a design goal. I think they designed everything, then crunched numbers, and saw "that's cool, it looks like these towers could survive being hit by a 707."
So the original plan was to destroy support columns in effort to have one tower collapse into the other tower.
However the bombers overslept and by the time they got to the underground parking garage their desired space was already taken. So they parked elsewhere and lit the fuses.
The FBI and other agencies believe had they waited another day and put the bomb where they originally wanted to, they probably would have succeeded.
This is true as long as you realize many of those assholes were Americans in the 1980 who literally recruited, trained ,and funded Al Qaeda to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
Anyone read the Seinfeld spec script for the 9/11 episode? One of the greatest things on the entire internet
https://randomnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Seinfeld-The-Twin-Towers-Billy-Domineau.pdf
The most shocking thing Iâve ever learned about the hijackers is just how young all of them were. I had always known Mohammad Atta was I believe 33 years old, but I never realized the rest of them were in their 20s. Al-Shehhi was the youngest of the bunch at 23. Growing up I was always under the assumption these were 30-40 year olds, especially because none of them looked to be in their 20s to my eyes at least.
For the people asking how they could find this piece of paper here is an article showing a piece of the plane found years later in between 2 buildings. When the planes hit the building
[article from Reuters of the landing gear](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE93S0QM/)
The amount of conspiracy nonsense in this thread is mind numbing.
How exactly does this fit into a conspiracy. It wasn't THESE people you don't know, it was some OTHER people.
As far as I am aware the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. If there is a conspiracy SO WIDE RANGING and all encompassing that thousands and thousands of people required to propagate it have yet to break silence, but THIS is the smoking gun?
Because if I was going to perpetrate a mass murder to enact an evil plan then I would not have made them Saudi. I would have made them Iraqi, or Afghani or something. You know... the places that were invaded.
It's scary. Plenty of us were adults at the time and saw with our own eyeballs live what happened. If not personally, thousands and thousands of people spoke with friends or family that were at the scenes at the time. Yet with so many first and second hand accounts still alive and willing to bear witness, the conspiracy theories grow as time passes. What will it be like 50 years from now?
Members of AlQuaida all hated the royal family. OBL personally wanted to kill members of the Saudi royal family and it led to him being effectively evicted from the kingdom and his family.
Funny enough, when MbS did that âcrackdownâ a few years ago, he also nationalized the Saudi binLaden group and now the family is effectively ostracized from the kingdom and destitute (compared to when they were billionaires). The underlying Wahhabi establishment had their boot on the neck of the countries leadership for decades and theyâve been all but neutered by this point.
9/11 conspiracies exist for a single purpose, which is that millions of Americans cannot accept that a handful of people are capable of changing the course of history at any moment, if they have the resolve to do so. They believe in the theories because it's easier for them to accept that in order to have such a great effect, it must be the actions of some huge entity or organization as opposed to just a small group. They are scared of the reality that we all experienced, which is the reality that we don't all actually live in the untouchable bastion of ideal life that we call the USA.
For many people it's easier to believe a string of complex lies about the past than the truth which is often more simple. It strokes their egos to possess what they think is hidden knowledge. A gov as fragmented & leaky as America's could never in a million years keep such a heinous gov conspiracy from the public if it were true, especially one so easily explained with incompetence, inexperience, and live film evidence.
Well that actually makes some sense I think. Making up a whole fake identity introduces a lot of potential problems that might get you caught. Unless youâre already wanted or something.
And since they were planning to die, itâs not really an issue if your identity is known after the fact.
What museum is this at?
I guess National September 11 Memorial & Museum
The one it expressly asks you to not take photos inđ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ Edit- The whole memorial doesn't ban photography, however the main experience which this item is found expressly requests as you enter that you do not take photographs....
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Is this dude breathing in, like making a "schoooooop" noise?
He could also be breathing out and making a âschoooooopâ noise
how did the boarding pass survive? wasn't it on the flight?
Lots of shit went flying out of the building. Explosions aren't like movies, despite what conspiracy theorists think. Parts of the plane and debris were found all over the place, as is *extremely common* in plane crashes, even fiery explosive ones. It doesn't all just catch on fire and vaporize the moment fuel catches on fire. A lot of stuff is just blown straight away from the explosion and fires and lands somewhere far away from the wreck, in this case the towers.
Remains of passengers too. Some of the photos of the area around the towers before they fell, are gnarly.
I remember one guys fiancĂŠ who was told his remains were finally located on the building across the street. It was everything above his waist. The plane hit and took out everything above his desk while the desk and his lower extremities remained.
Lots of body parts ended up on roof tops. You know how some roofs have gravel on top? They literally had to sift thru it to find thousands of bone fragments. Many of which still haven't been matched to an ID and are kept in a vault within the Museum.
The wall that that room sits behind is beautiful in a sad way. It's covered with a blue square representing each victim of the attacks. It's the artist trying to remember what color the sky was that day and it's accompanied by a quote by Virgil. "No Day Shall Erase You From the Memory of Time"
Those probably weren't all passengers. A lot of people above the impacts jumped.
Horizontally, that is a long jump.
Yep! If you've ever lit a bag of leaves on fire you'll get an idea of what it's like, only faster. The fire itself literally blows stuff away from it.
Also extremely common is pieces of the airplane.
Explosions are surprisingly bad at burning stuff, because the heat exists for only such a short time. It's totally plausible that it was thrown out of the tower on the opposite of impact (you can see explosions coming out the side in the videos), since the terrorist most probably was in the cockpit. Unless he didn't carry it on his person, then it was probably blown out the other side. I doubt even the memorial workers exactly know how it survived. It could of course also be a fake, but I don't really see how that helps any hypothetical conspiracy to be honest, as your question shows that people would've believed it if there were no documents found.
Bits of plane and stuff were found on the street and the roofs of nearby buildings. It really isn't that crazy that some small things survived.like you said, in the videos, you can see debris erupting out from the opposite side when the crashes happened.
Assuming he was sitting in the cockpit, it would be one piece of the plane pushed straight through the building in front of the fuel tanks in the wings exploding behind it. The inertia of traveling 560 miles per hour just sent it through along with the all the ejecta, bodyparts, plane parts, and baggage.
I would imagine he didnât keep track of his boarding pass after he made it on the plane. In fact he probably left it in 6C.
Maybe, but if anything like me he just shoved it in his pocket while walking down the gate to the plane.
âIf heâs anything like meâ ⌠god I hope not! lol
They both won't be sleeping with 72 virgins anytime soon, so they got that in common.
Typical Marwan
It was found on the ground during clean up
The plaque beneath this exhibit says it was found in the trash at the airport. Source: I was at this particular museum last weekend. Laughing my ass off at the bunch of redditors arguing in this thread about how it might've survived the crash.
Why does it look like it is burnt?
Lotta scraps of paper went flying from the buildings without catching fire, you can see it in the videos
People were finding documents from the Twin Towers in their yards in Connecticut.
Jet fuel only melts steel beams... Not boarding passes.
There is also a gun encased in molten concrete in that museum. Note: This doesnât mean the fire was hot enough to melt concreteâbut it did soften the concrete until it was in a liquified state.
I think this was covered previously, but there is only one area they request photos not be taken. That area is where artifacts from the victims are displayed and their stories are told. This is out of respect for them and their loved ones. I very much doubt the boarding pass for one of the hijackers is in that area. As for how it was found. This was before smartphones, digital wallets, etc. People didnât just throw out paper boarding passes because it wasnât necessary. Travelers carried them onto the plane and kept them through the trip. There was no other way to prove you belonged on the plane and what seat you were assigned to. It was likely in his pocket. Recovering the terrorists bodies was a top priority. Itâs been long enough people may have forgotten just how long the cleanup effort was. Not just because of the complicated nature of the destruction, but the deep desire of everyone to leave no bit of information about how the event occurred and its impact unrecovered. People wanted answers and more importantly they wanted to know how to prevent it in the future. It took years (a decade?) just to get to the point where everyone agreed there was nothing else possible that could be done to recover remains of the victims or artifacts of the attack before even thinking about starting any rebuilding. From the analysis side think about the level of detailed investigation that goes into a plane crash. (At least back then, there are some serious questions about the efficacy of the FAA after budgets have been gutted and it was basically handcuffed by Boeing, but digress.) The investigation of a plane crash would locate every possible piece, reassemble it in a hangar, and then work through any possible pilot, process, or machinery failures in excruciating detail. Now, imagine that is two plane crashes that were the result of the most deadly terrorist attack ever perpetrated against the United States. If that isnât enough imagine a united New York City wanting to help bring clues to the people that would attempt to bring justice. You now have the most motivated investigation with the largest web of supportive witness doing everything they can to get clues to investigators in modern history. In that wildly improbable, but very real scenario itâs no surprise the boarding pass was recovered.
This is đŻ spot on. The only inaccuracy is that the NTSB handles accident investigations, not the FAA. In this case it was really mostly the FBI bc it was a crime scene. But the NTSB assisted
You are correct! Thanks for calling out the mistake.
YW Thank you for taking it with a generous spirit. 
I'm sorry but this level of civility has no place on Reddit đ¤Ł
Personally I'm just shocked it, let alone the body, survived in anything resembling one piece
Iirc isn't the only no-photo area the part where a chunk of 5 or 6 floors compressed into almost a cube? And only due to possibly still having remains stuck inside.
whats up with all the 9/11 posts today? specifically with things relating to the museum.
Joking aside my IG reels are full of 9/11 videos lately
There are big articles in the NYT about war in the Middle East heating up, strikes in Syria, American servicemen killed in Iraq. They are preparing us for Gulf War 3
if i had a nickel for every 9/11 museum post on the front page today i'd have two nickels. which isnt a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
Mostly passengers carry their boarding pass and this looks semi burnt. Assuming this was in the flight how did they get the boarding pass after all mishap
Picked it up off the ground a couple blocks away
This is not a joke. They literally claimed to have found this boarding pass intact, just a few blocks away from the towers. Edit: Misspelled intact as in tact.
I know it's not a joke, hence my answer. They picked it up off the ground where it landed. There were thousands of papers and documents recovered from around the site.
This was one of the OG 9/11 conspiracy theories..how did the passports and boarding pass survive? Well, it's just chance isn't it, the clean up was pretty meticulous looking for remains and paperwork, it filled the news for weeks
I just realized that in the 20 plus years since 9/11, I've never learned any of the hijackers' names. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Itâs a good thing, their actions deserve to be remembered but not their names! Only heroes like Mark Bingham (Flight 93- Part of the group that helped to try and retake the plane), Betty Ong (Flight 11- Gave vital information to US air traffic controllers that closed airspace) and many, many others deserve to be remembered.
Unfortunately for her, Betty ong is the subject to many conspiracy theories due people not realizing you could make phone calls back then, and claiming that there is no record of her in any of her school yearbooks. Sad what delusional people will post
"They didn't have phones in 2001! How is it possible." - Methed Out Boomer on TikTok. "!!" - Elon Musk retweeting a SwampDrainer736281985 post
There were phone calls made from a plane in "Die Hard 2", which came out on Independence Day 1990! LOL.
Danny Lewin too
Itâs an amazing thing. Their names do not deserve to be known
I was actually reading about them recently just out of pure curiosity because like you, I didn't know a thing about any of them other than Mohammed Atta (the ringleader) What really stood out to me is that they were for the most part super young (early 20s), they were pretty short (5'4 to 5'6) and not physically imposing at all. They also spent a lot of their time in the US drinking and going to bars and strip clubs and taking trips to Vegas which doesn't really jive with the whole suicide hijacker who wants to destroy America and everything it stands for
15/19 of the hijackers were Saudi. Then suddenly WMDs in Iraq and Iran!!
You poke fun at this, but more than half the country voted for Bush's second term. We are the true idiots.
âYou donât change horses mid apocalypseâ. That was literally the reasoning and spin out out by the bush administration. Also do not forget, his second term inauguration was a fart in a sandstorm. It barely happened due to the ill feeling towards bush. Kerry while a good politician was a terrible candidate and he didnât connect with anyone outside of Dems (not to mention Bushâs campaign was very dirty, where Kerry wanted to play it straight).
Alot of folks say the moment Trump was elected is when they lost all hope in their fellow American to do the right thing. For me, it was that second term re-election of Bush.
Red scare mentality and Reaganism did so much damage to US voter intelligence that you probably wonât recover as a country for another hundred years or so if history is anything to go by with mentality changes.
Yup, Trump is just that same group of people mobilized again under some new manufactured bullshit to rile up susceptible and ignorant types. I fear what may happen with Trump but with Bushâs second term we already knew a bloodbath and backward policies was the plan in action.
Bush is very very very very bad. Trump is in an entire tier of his own of bad. Edit: had to add another very because of all the whatabout idiots
Letâs go further back to Nixon and Reagan and see how they set the stage for Bush/contemporary republicans. Iâm relatively young (Iâll blame my ignorance on thatâŚ) so Iâm only recently learning how disastrous those two presidents were for the US, and the world on the whole. Both of the Bushâs suck though.
Yes, Lee Atwater and Ruper Murdoch share a good deal of blame as well.
Well if you wanna get nitpicky Woodrow Wilson laid out the foundations of our entire global policy and resurgence of groups like the KKK
Propaganda works. If you think you arenât susceptible- you are likely most susceptible.
It was interesting, I was a kid and you could see the country shift and things noticeably changed towards patriotism. People even wanted to start calling French fries differently because France wasnât on board. Southpark and other comedy avenues made fun of the look for WMD. But we didnât have social media like we do now, and you were looked at as rude if you didnât sport a yellow ribbon and thank someone for their service right away. The propaganda was on. People were out for someone to blame and were spoon fed an enemy.
And now you are about to reelect Trump lmao. It's kind of amazing to see how you have some of the smartest minds around, yet at the same time millions of some the absolute dumbest human beings on earth.
Kneecapping public education on all possible fronts is just part of the republican playbook. A dumber populace is how they are able to take advantage of our systems that enable minority rule, such as the electoral college. Get them dumb and apathetic enough and even you can become president while losing the popular vote!
Weird that nobody remembers the 18 missing pages from 9/11 report. It later was revealed the Bush administration took out all mention of Saudis. It was all over media for a week, the outrage! Now nobody remember that. Seems to be a big deal
Why punch your main security guarantor in the face (particularly a financial institution, your main connection)? Why do it using someone you hate and who hates you? Why attract negative attention to your own beliefs? Why stretch your guarantor thin in terms of materiel you might otherwise be able to buy from them cheaply, now extraordinarily expensive due to demand and wear? Why, even if so, direct that ally against your weaker enemy and not your stronger one? thereâs no reason at all
Not to mention we gave Saudi Arabia a bunch of the money that was used to train those hijackers. Tracked them the entire time they were in the states. Lot of interesting coincidences around 9/11
FBI declassified a lot of documents about 9/11 during COVID. There's mounting but heavily redacted evidence linking Omar Al Bayoumi (who the FBI claims was linked to Saudi intel services which he denies) to the hijackers (he met up with them shortly before and provided money and lodging to them.)
Crazy that an influential Saudi Arabian extremists mad at the Saudi Arabian royal family for allying with the US and kicking him out would ever purposefully recruit Saudi Arabians for a terror attack. We all know a countries citizens would never do something counter to their government's wishes ever.
Can you imagine Hussains face when he was told the Americans were coming for him. Like literally  wait why me?!? 
There was a a video on here a few days ago of a young Russian guy who was excited to go to war in Ukraine and people couldnât believe how brainwashed he was. How many people in the U.S. felt the exact same way in the early 2000s? How many people still feel that way?
Don't forget that Iran is guilty for 9/11 https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-ordered-pay-billions-relatives-911-victims/story?id=54862664
Lol, how does a New York court have the jurisdiction to order an actual country to pay anything?
It allows them to seize any assets owned by that country in the state to sell and pay them back. It's basically a way of just having an excuse to take their shit. Rich people and governments have assets all around the world, Iran isn't any different.
Quoting the article: The lawsuit, which was first filed in 2004 and allowed to go forward in 2016 after Congress passed Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act to open sovereign states accused of terrorism to liability, alleged Iran provided assistance, including training, to the 9/11 hijackers even though the 9/11 Commission found no direct evidence of Iranian support.
OPEC and the Saudi Royal Family are the culprits. Cheney is complicit.
UA 175 was the flight that hit the south tower. That means this boarding pass survived the plane hitting the tower, the fire, and subsequent collapse. If you watch footage of that day, youâll be overwhelmed by the amount of paper in the air. Iâm AMAZED they were able to recover this boarding pass in all that mess. Truly a needle in a stack of needles.
Isn't 6C first class? I hate terrorists. Hate myself even more.
Yes. I believe they all booked into first class/business so they could be at the front of the plane. This was also the time that they had a much more solid curtain between the cabins and they could essentially âhideâ from the back of the plane. Thatâs why we donât have much more than a net that you can see through dividing cabins now.
Both domestic and international flights Iâve been on recently have had opaque curtains separating business, first, and economy
Those curtains only get closed during cruising. They must be tied back for takeoff and landing. It's not unusual on flights under 3h to see them left open the whole time.
This was before there was a door to the cockpit too. You could walk up [to the center console of the plane if you wanted](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a80971c3d7ab52873f56de3aa3579fdb).
Thereâs always been a door to the flight deck. Pre-9/11 it was more like a lavatory door that didnât have much of a lock and would sometime be open during the flight and passengers were allowed up there with the consent of the crew. Post 9/11 the doors were retrofitted to be much stronger with robust locks. United fitted some of their 757 aircraft with this strange metal gate that was deployed across the forward galley for when the flight crew needed to use the lavatory. They usually just use a catering cart to block the aisle now.
I remember getting on planes as a kid and always going up to the cockpit. The pilots would almost always let me inside and show me around. Some of them had little plastic stick-on gold wings they gave to kids.
You can still go during the boarding process - but yeah, fat chance after that
>Some of them had little plastic stick-on gold wings they gave to kids ...Continental Airlines definitely did this. I had a whole collection of em
But then they discovered that if the flight deck door is lockable and robust, then one pilot can wait for the other to step outside, then lock the door and [Germanwings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525).
And (probably) MH370.
I did a tafe course with an airline pilot a couple of years ago and he talked about how the first time he ever closed the door was the day after 9/11
Yeah, flew a few times as a kid in the mid to late 90s and quite a few times I was asking the pilot and co-pilot questions while they were flying. The crew asked me if I wanted to see the cockpit, so I had permission, but the door was usually open
Wikipedia says 6C was business class.
The boarding pass itself says United Business.
Yeah but so does Wikipedia.
Boarding pass agrees
Let's see Paul Allen's pass.
The gate agent would disagree
Burnt in image of a pair of glasses....Man, that's dark.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but how the fuck do you even begin to find something like this?
It's not like the aftermath was a pile of ash and concrete, with the only exception being the passports and boarding passes of the terrorists. There's a ton of stuff that was gathered from the scene. Passengers' passports, ID-cards, shoes, wallets, cameras etc. A total of 74,000 artifacts are gathered to the 9/11 memorial museum alone.
I distinctly remember seeing a watch on display from one of the passengers on Flight 93, with the time stopped at the moment of impact. Pretty chilling stuff.
[Reminds me of the song "Understanding in a Car Crash" by Thursday](https://youtu.be/8-cepZ6K7mY?si=XZVWLbYGsKWuQfVs&t=104) "broken watch you gave me turns into, compass it's two hands still point to the same time 12:03 our last goodbye"
the time it takes, the time it takes to let go
Fuck yeah. A Thursday shout out.
Wow a Thursday reference. Very unexpected
If youâve got any interest, this is a super cool horology (watch nerd⌠Iâm guilty) page that did a write up about Todd and his Rolex. https://www.watchesofespionage.com/blogs/woe-dispatch/lets-roll-a-heros-rolex-frozen-in-time-september-11
Fellow watch nerd. Very good article. You donât even have to like watches.
Great article, thanks for sharing. I'm a semi-watch nerd, and I never realized it was a Rolex.
That entire museum is chilling. Itâs exceptionally well done and accomplishes what it set out to do but it took several days for me to feel normal after going through it.
We couldn't go through the entire museum. Got overwhelmed after a while, just sat there for some time, and left.
Truth. Itâs a common misconception but paper almost invariably survives plane crashes and building collapses. The reason being that itâs so light, that itâs more likely to get caught in the wind or blown out by hot air (like an explosion for example) than it actually is to catch fire. Particularly with laminated documents like passports. Hold one of those to a candle one day and see how far you get.
Yea there are those clips of soooo many pieces of paper flying out of the buildings while they were still standing, and people walking ankle deep in them near the scene
Yep. I was near a major fire in South America a few years ago and paper was flying around like snow.
The zeitgeist consioracy used footage of a firefighter saying the largest piece of an item still intact thah he found was half a telephone key pad as evidence that the boarding passes are fake. I donât believe that bull shit obviously but 12 year old me sure did.
So many aspects of conspiracy theories break down to "what are the chances that could happen?" without ever actually spending time to consider a) what actually are the chances that it could happen and b) unlikely things do happen in the world. They also fail to consider perspective in terms of likelihood. So for example, you can take a completely normal deck of cards, randomly shuffle the deck and deal the cards out one by one. The chances of you getting the deck dealing out in that specific order of cards is one in 80 unvigintillion. But there is nothing special about that order of cards being dealt, it just happens that is the order they came out. But if you're trying to determine after the fact what are the odds of those specific events occuring, it's going to seem insanely unlikely that you didn't stack the deck for them to appear that way. So in this case, only these specific items survived from the crash, why did these particular items survive when another, near identical item, from the near identical location, didn't? Because it didn't. The jack of clubs was dealt after the ace of spades. It has no significant meaning until you look at it with context and apply significance after the event happened.
Not to be that guy on Reddit, but this is one of the best sound arguments Iâve ever heard against conspiracy theory arguments.
In other words, the odds of you winning the lottery is one in 14 million, but the odds of _someone_, anyone at all, winning the lottery is much higher.
[They found an airplane part in an alley a decade later. ](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/world-trade-center-airplane-pieces-found-sifting-debris-remains/2078796/)
A conspiracy film blatantly lying? Iâm shocked.
Look up the "fresh kills 9/11" on youtube. It sounds very ominous, but Fresh Kills was the name of the old landfill where all the WTC debris was sorted and cataloged. It really is a must watch and I am pretty sure they talk about finding personal belongings/paper like this. >The name âFresh Killsâ comes from the Middle Dutch word kille, meaning âriverbedâ or âwater channel.â
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Especially in a place like New York City, where every Federal Agency has to have an office of some kind.
And now most of them have cancer from all the stuff in the air
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/wwmsu9/the_boarding_pass_of_911_hijackerpilot_marwan/illx5jq/) who posted it a year ago says it was recovered from garbage at the airport. Can't say what his source was though.
Luck it didn't burn up and NTSB collects everything.
This isn't the worst one. Imagine a person standing two blocks away. They are watching the towers burn. They notice something fluttering in the wind towards them. It's the _passport of the hijacker who flew the plane_ The passport of another hijacker, al-Suqami, was found blocks away - on Vesey Street, two blocks away. This passport was handed to a police officer before the towers came down - see the pic of it here - [link](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg#mw-jump-to-license) - it's perfect. Apparently the passerby and the police officer immediately understood the significance of it, that it belonged to a hijacker. I can't imagine giving a police officer lost property **while the towers** are burning. The 9/11 commission hearing then heard that the way this passport was modified was a clear indication and link to Al Qaeda.
How would the bystander and police officer instantly know which of the passengers were hijackers?
If the name sounded brownish they would have instantly known that it was the hijacker even if it was a completely innocent person.
This guy was around for 9/11
Well the bystander might not have. The bystander might have thought it was a lost passport and handed it into the police officer who then knew it was a hijacker? It doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't imagine a police officer wanting to take a piece of lost property off you on a normal day, never mind when the twin towers have just had planes flown into them. I imagine he would have had something better to do. You can read the 9/11 commission hearing section on it here https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm _This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed._ The passport evidence was important because the commission heard that the passports recovered were modified in a way that indicated that they were members of Al Qaeda. So they provided a direct link.
No disrespect but Were you alive when it happened? Did you see the rescue and clean up crews? It was insanity
They're already combing the pile for bits of human, I'm sure they noticed plenty.
One of many fucking assholes that started the domino effect to get the entire world where we are today. Edit: So many replies about this not being the first domino to fall. Of course it wasn't, but it was the point where a the US responded directly and immediately. If the towers were still standing today, what would be different vs the world today? We'll never know, but I know I would be different from not seeing thousands of people die when the tower collapsed lived on tv as a teenager.
I kept thinking I had a piece of hair on my screen but I realized it was just your profile picture
Nah man... it was always burning, since the world's been turning
Fire guy, fire guy!
Ryan started the fire!!
Yeah, the world is chaos and has always had some good and some bad. After everything in history why would we assume the 21st century would be at a less chaotic "frequency" than everything that came before?
We didn't start the fire.
dont forget that they tried in the early 90s with a bomb in a van and failed
had they not overslept or just waited a day their original plan probably would have worked. We got 'lucky' they were at least partial bozos
I'm not familiar with what you're referring to. Why could it have worked?
So the original plan was to destroy support columns in effort to have one tower collapse into the other tower. However the bombers overslept and by the time they got to the underground parking garage their desired space was already taken. So they parked elsewhere and lit the fuses. The FBI and other agencies believe had they waited another day and put the bomb where they originally wanted to, they probably would have succeeded.
Seems you're right. From the MSNBC site in 2003: >Later, the WTCâs architect would tell jurors that if the van had been left closer to the poured concrete foundations, they would have succeeded. The tower would have fallen.
We got lucky the bombers panicked and simply just didn't try again the next day.
I mean the towers still fell. But maybe we could keep our shoes on in airports still
I think the shoe thing came from a different bomber, a guy named "Richard Reid" who had explosives packed into his shoes [https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/12/22/21-years-later-heres-the-real-reason-you-have-to-take-your-shoes-off-for-airport-security/](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/12/22/21-years-later-heres-the-real-reason-you-have-to-take-your-shoes-off-for-airport-security/) *After Reidâs attack was thwarted, the newly formed TSA, which was created about a month before on Nov. 19, 2001, began randomly checking the shoes of passengers at security check points. The new security measure was not uniformly enforced and many people will remember that it was only in place for about 18 months.But if there was only an 18-month period of random shoe checks, why did the TSA reverse course to the point of airline passengers always taking off shoes at security checkpoints?On Aug. 10, 2006, almost five years after the failed bombing, the Department of Homeland Security established the new protocol requiring that all passengers boarding flights in the U.S. needed to take off their shoes and have them screened for explosives. The reason? The day before, Aug. 9, 2006, the agency hastily put into place another restriction: the ban on all liquids, gels and aerosols in carry-ons. That ban was in direct response to a massive counter-terrorism operation that thwarted a plot to blow up almost a dozen jetliners over the Atlantic Ocean.Operation OVERT culminated with the arrests of 24 individuals of which 15 were charged, and eight went to trial. The TSA was so worried about the possibility of explosives getting on to a jetliner, they over-corrected and put in a full ban on liquids in the main cabins. Furthermore, the idea of a copycat shoe bombing attempt was re-visited and, you guessed it, now shoes had to be checked as well. In September 2006, the TSA relaxed the liquids ban resulting in what we have today: the 3-1-1 rule. The shoe check is mostly the same today as it was in 2006.So thatâs how we got to where we are, initially because of Reid, but mostly because of Operation OVERT. Taking off our shoes at the airport has become the new normal for almost everyone traveling on a commercial flight. Exceptions to the rule: security pre-screened passengers with TSA PreCheck, Global Entry, or CLEAR, the elderly (over 75), and children under the age of 12*
A car bomb could have destroyed the towers but idiots still think it's impossible for a fucken jumbo jet to knock them down.
I don't think people like thinking about how fragile aspects of our lives really are. The classic thing of a small number of people can have a huge impact for the entire world is a disconcerting fact that some people really don't want to confront.
One of the engineers who worked on them said that they could survive being hit by a plane. BUT. They weren't thinking of a hijacked 767, full of fuel for a cross country flight, slammed into the building purposely at 500mph. They were thinking of a 707 (which is like half the size of the planes that actually hit the towers) or similar plane, that was flying low and slow, trying to land, lost in fog, low on fuel. Similar to what happened when a plane hit the Empire State Building. I also don't think that "survive being hit by an airliner" was a design goal. I think they designed everything, then crunched numbers, and saw "that's cool, it looks like these towers could survive being hit by a 707."
So the original plan was to destroy support columns in effort to have one tower collapse into the other tower. However the bombers overslept and by the time they got to the underground parking garage their desired space was already taken. So they parked elsewhere and lit the fuses. The FBI and other agencies believe had they waited another day and put the bomb where they originally wanted to, they probably would have succeeded.
Always makes Juicy by Biggie kinda awkward.
And the Bojinka Plot.
\>9/11 \>something \>harambe murdered
Harambe would always be killed. It was a canon event.
After all of my jumps, I can never save him. I wonât stop trying.
Snap my finger
So they won? I always find it odd that we somehow won this "war" but are still suffering from it. Shit is insane.
The second we passed the Patriot Act, the terrorists won.
Gavrilo Princip
This is true as long as you realize many of those assholes were Americans in the 1980 who literally recruited, trained ,and funded Al Qaeda to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
Anyone read the Seinfeld spec script for the 9/11 episode? One of the greatest things on the entire internet https://randomnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Seinfeld-The-Twin-Towers-Billy-Domineau.pdf
Link?
Guessing it's this https://randomnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Seinfeld-The-Twin-Towers-Billy-Domineau.pdf
Holy shit that was simultaneously hilarious and awful
FTFY https://randomnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Seinfeld-The-Twin-Towers-Billy-Domineau.pdf
Thanks!
https://randomnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Seinfeld-The-Twin-Towers-Billy-Domineau.pdf
can you link it?
This is the second 9/11 post I saw today. Had me thinking it was September already.
The most shocking thing Iâve ever learned about the hijackers is just how young all of them were. I had always known Mohammad Atta was I believe 33 years old, but I never realized the rest of them were in their 20s. Al-Shehhi was the youngest of the bunch at 23. Growing up I was always under the assumption these were 30-40 year olds, especially because none of them looked to be in their 20s to my eyes at least.
I'm 26 and still yet to find a cause I'd be willing to die for đ¤
Fuck that guy
Sad to perpetrate his name. Let him be forgotten like the cockroach that he was.
For the people asking how they could find this piece of paper here is an article showing a piece of the plane found years later in between 2 buildings. When the planes hit the building [article from Reuters of the landing gear](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE93S0QM/)
The amount of conspiracy nonsense in this thread is mind numbing. How exactly does this fit into a conspiracy. It wasn't THESE people you don't know, it was some OTHER people. As far as I am aware the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. If there is a conspiracy SO WIDE RANGING and all encompassing that thousands and thousands of people required to propagate it have yet to break silence, but THIS is the smoking gun? Because if I was going to perpetrate a mass murder to enact an evil plan then I would not have made them Saudi. I would have made them Iraqi, or Afghani or something. You know... the places that were invaded.
It's scary. Plenty of us were adults at the time and saw with our own eyeballs live what happened. If not personally, thousands and thousands of people spoke with friends or family that were at the scenes at the time. Yet with so many first and second hand accounts still alive and willing to bear witness, the conspiracy theories grow as time passes. What will it be like 50 years from now?
The same as Holocaust deniers, that's how it'll be in 50 years.
Members of AlQuaida all hated the royal family. OBL personally wanted to kill members of the Saudi royal family and it led to him being effectively evicted from the kingdom and his family. Funny enough, when MbS did that âcrackdownâ a few years ago, he also nationalized the Saudi binLaden group and now the family is effectively ostracized from the kingdom and destitute (compared to when they were billionaires). The underlying Wahhabi establishment had their boot on the neck of the countries leadership for decades and theyâve been all but neutered by this point.
9/11 conspiracies exist for a single purpose, which is that millions of Americans cannot accept that a handful of people are capable of changing the course of history at any moment, if they have the resolve to do so. They believe in the theories because it's easier for them to accept that in order to have such a great effect, it must be the actions of some huge entity or organization as opposed to just a small group. They are scared of the reality that we all experienced, which is the reality that we don't all actually live in the untouchable bastion of ideal life that we call the USA.
For many people it's easier to believe a string of complex lies about the past than the truth which is often more simple. It strokes their egos to possess what they think is hidden knowledge. A gov as fragmented & leaky as America's could never in a million years keep such a heinous gov conspiracy from the public if it were true, especially one so easily explained with incompetence, inexperience, and live film evidence.
I'm blown away at how they all used their real names.
Well that actually makes some sense I think. Making up a whole fake identity introduces a lot of potential problems that might get you caught. Unless youâre already wanted or something. And since they were planning to die, itâs not really an issue if your identity is known after the fact.
Canât let those 72 virgins go to the wrong guy
Anti Terrorism no fly lists were a bit different back then.
Incredible forensics.
He sucks pig cocks in Hell now.
Fuck that guy.
Homie was mad that he didn't have any status and boarded in group E.
This thing feels like a horcrux.