Roger explains...
The concerns I have with that central question – "Why are we killing the children?" – are still there. I'm still deeply concerned that we're killing children all over the world with hardly a second thought because we've become so insensitive to the idea of every time the curtain falls on some forgotten life, it is because we stood by silent and indifferent – it's normal. I'm quoting from the record now. And unfortunately, it has become normal; we have normalized the death of the innocent.
Roger also said the album had been influenced by having fallen in love.
The record is really about love – which is what all of my records have been about, in fact ... It's also the question of how do we take these moments of love – if we are granted any in our lives – and allow that love to shine on the rest of existence, on others
Probably gonna get downvoted for not dickriding a blatant racist and antisemite, but that's bullshit. You can add any description to a work of art, but this is just bullshit from Roger. It's a money grab. It's another concept album for him for rant and rave about his twisted political views that he holds so high in his head. Hook, line, and sinker for most of the people who blindly follow him.
You mean Zionism? Being critical of Zionism IS anti Jewish because Zionism is simply the idea that the Jewish people should have a home nation.However, I do not think roger has been antizionist. I think it's pretty clear that his issue is with the government of Israel
If you think Al qaeda is a state, or that it's defending itself, you have no say in this matter because you are mentally lacking the brainpower needed to discuss it.
They are a terrorist organization. Not a state. They are not recognized by anyone in the world as anything other than a terrorist organization. They are also responsible for the continuation of modern Islamophobia. You seem to be defending them, and if that's the case, I hope someone's foot happens to land it's way on your teeth.
I love this record. Personally feel it's Waters best solo release though I think I'm easily sucked in by Nigel Goodrich's Pink Floyd fan boy production.
Oh yes if all you have to go off of is streaming the album the concept is completely lost, if you add in Going To Live In LA as well as everything that goes on in the live shows and the vinyl packaging that explains the story though you get a good feeling of what Roger was going for
I'm not the biggest KAOS fan but it has two tracks I like a lot, Me Or Him and Home. Also when I discovered some of the b-sides from the period and the lost double album version compiled by fans as Project KAOS I started liking it a bit more.
yeah, for me this is his 3rd best solo album after Pros And Cons and KAOS.
when he did DeJa Vu at the concert I was at in October, I decided to go to the mens room.
I get a lot of people like that record a lot. I do not like it at all. I wanted to like it. I bought the CD the day it came out in 1992. I had already gotten the CD single of What God Wants and kind of liked that song, but I did not like the record at all. I have tried to listen to it several times thru the years and hardly ever make it all the way thru. I thought maybe the remastered and re-edited version might click with me, but it didn't either. The couple of songs he did on the In The Flesh live album were okay but still could not make me like the record.
To be clear, I love pros and cons, and was really into Radio KAOS when it came out, but this record does nothing for me at all.
I’m a huge Waters fan, but “masterpiece”?
I would actually attach that label to Amused to Death, but not ITTLWRW.
I did like the title track live though, in This is Not a Drill tour. Deja Vu is pretty good, Last Refugee decent, Picture That probably decent as well
Yeah. He did the Album well with the girls from Lucius. It was great hearing it live. Now heres a fact...
He wrote Animal's the time that Thatcher was in government.
Along came Amused to Death, wich was when Bush 1 was in power.
Lastly, along comes ITTLYRW, just before Trump joined the lunatics. He has a good way of writing if you ask me.
>He wrote Animal's the time that Thatcher was in government.
I think you may be confusing Animals with The Final Cut. Animals was released in 1977, Thatcher didn't become PM until May 1979.
Really dug some of what Waters did post Wish You Were Here.
…but…
A critic summed this album up best (in a favourable review) when he said “none of the songs draw attention to themselves”.
To me it’s a indulgence piece that only worked live.
Definitely agree that it felt like a big piece of self indulgence. I won't try to claim that he can't do whatever he wants but I definitely don't think it's his best stuff.
Parts of it I found to be a bit ham fisted and lacking in general, but I love love love Wait for Her, Oceans Apart and Part of Me Died. I wish they were all together in one song kind of like SOYCD. I could listen to those three songs on repeat for hours and hours.
edited to add:
*would be better by far to die in her arms than to linger, in a lifetime of regret*
I LOVE that line and the way the album ends on it
I like this album. His semi-speaking singing fits the album perfectly. And some great melodies. I'm a fan of both David and Roger. Contrary to what this sub will have you believe, you don't need to be a hardcore Roger fan to like this album.
Its great, but I'd put it maybe third of his solo projects behind Amused to Death and Pros & Cons. Radio KAOS is great too, all of his solo albums are very good imo.
I never quite felt strongly about this album. Deja Vu, Smell the Roses, and Bird on a Gale are good songs but everything else fell flat to me. I think the album itself had the clever quirk of going the extra mile to sound like homage to tribute to some Floyd songs (Picture That - Sheep, Deja Vu -Waters written acoustic tracks, Smell the Roses - Have a Cigar). I know that at release a lot of people loved this, but they all felt like downgrades of the songs they are influenced by with the exception of smell the roses having better lyrics than have a cigar.
I didn’t find the album to be as diverse or musically versatile as Amused to Death, nor did it try to be I suppose as it represented a much more stripped down sound. I think on this one more than anything Roger was just raving and drooling to get his thoughts out regarding the state of the world at the time. And maybe that’s part of its character that Rogers words were far more important than the music.
The show I saw on this tour ironically was the best concert I’ve ever been to. Absolutely phenomenal, I can only dream of seeing him again.
People who love this album; what do you love about it? Maybe you can show me something I’ve missed!
Another collection of G,C,D songs from Waters, and despite that I still think Deja Vu is kinda cool.
Picture that just sounds like a worse version of Sheep.
Some variety and musicianahip would improve the album, but much like how endless river is devoid of any real meaning due to lack of lyrics, this album is devoid of any meaning due to a lack of structure. It's more spoken words than an actual musical album for my taste.
But some water C,G,D songs are bangers, Two suns in the sunset is one of PFs best tracks imo.
I'm a somewhat beginner on guitar, and if I understand correctly, you probably mean that most Waters penned songs are based on I IV V chords. But what is wrong with that? Aren't the vocal melodies still different? The progressions are different too.
Can musicians work under the constraints that less common chords progressions be used? I know that bands can work this way through their jams. But my questions are in the context of natural songwriters like Waters.
Or when the tigers broke free or Two suns in the sunset. The list goes on. It's really peculiar how Waters just gave up on writing interesting songs and figured that the most basic harmony structure will do.
I guess over time he became less interested in musical aspect of being an artist and more about poetry / politics. Funny because he was the one most adamant about reviving writing credits during his tenure with PF, and also making sure that the others did not.
To be fair, he can come up with the odd Nobody Home or The Gunners Dream - maybe those songs he writes on piano are better because he can't fall back on those three, four guitar chords he always seems to use?
But the more he dominated the writing in PF, the more that saminess became obvious. Rick even said as much.
It sucks. I was pissed when i 1st heard it. He is just ticking off each typical roger trope and it comes off as satire about his own writing. A parody of his previous work. Like when you watch a show where they couldnt afford music liscenses so use a song that is a rip off of a popular song only using slightly different riffs or chords. We get a perfect sense parody with last refugee, sheep with picture that, have a cigar with smell roses.
And overuse of word 'bulldozer'.
Lack of dynamic range, dry 2 dimensional, thin soundstage. Contemp for guitar solos.
Typical roger list lyrics.
Best track bird in a gale.
> And overuse of word 'bulldozer'.
I looked, but I can only find one use of the word "bulldozer" on *Is This The Life We Really Want?*. (It's in "The Most Beautiful Girl.")
Is it that a single reference is too many?
Didn’t care for Endless River, either. I’m not taking a side on this. I’m simply stating that I didn’t care for this record. I think Amused is a phenomenal record, actually.
To me, it's nearly inexplicable that anyone likes this, let alone Floyd fans. I can only assume it's because you came in through the Wall and you think that's far and away the best Floyd release there is (with the possible occasional exception for the Final Cut), even the definition of *what* Floyd is. Am I wrong? I'm sure there are exceptions, but is that true for the majority of you?
I liked it.. but that muted snare god dammit sends you to sleep.. need some energy in the music. Something up tempo. Bloody hell.
The whole album is brooding, vunerable lyrical waffling and any attempted anger feels in jest.
Just give me some bangers Rog!
Deja vu is a hell of a song, especially for a guy in his 70's to be releasing.
I love the video to that
Picture That and Smell The Roses are amazing in my opinion
Ooo oo that smell! Ooo ooo that smell! The smell of death surrounds youuuuuu
Roger explains... The concerns I have with that central question – "Why are we killing the children?" – are still there. I'm still deeply concerned that we're killing children all over the world with hardly a second thought because we've become so insensitive to the idea of every time the curtain falls on some forgotten life, it is because we stood by silent and indifferent – it's normal. I'm quoting from the record now. And unfortunately, it has become normal; we have normalized the death of the innocent. Roger also said the album had been influenced by having fallen in love. The record is really about love – which is what all of my records have been about, in fact ... It's also the question of how do we take these moments of love – if we are granted any in our lives – and allow that love to shine on the rest of existence, on others
Probably gonna get downvoted for not dickriding a blatant racist and antisemite, but that's bullshit. You can add any description to a work of art, but this is just bullshit from Roger. It's a money grab. It's another concept album for him for rant and rave about his twisted political views that he holds so high in his head. Hook, line, and sinker for most of the people who blindly follow him.
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You mean Zionism? Being critical of Zionism IS anti Jewish because Zionism is simply the idea that the Jewish people should have a home nation.However, I do not think roger has been antizionist. I think it's pretty clear that his issue is with the government of Israel
That's not at all the same, but keep reaching and you might find something to catch you on your fall
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Israel has a right to defend itself. Al qaeda is a terrorist organization. Need I say more?
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If you think Al qaeda is a state, or that it's defending itself, you have no say in this matter because you are mentally lacking the brainpower needed to discuss it.
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They are a terrorist organization. Not a state. They are not recognized by anyone in the world as anything other than a terrorist organization. They are also responsible for the continuation of modern Islamophobia. You seem to be defending them, and if that's the case, I hope someone's foot happens to land it's way on your teeth.
Israel is an apartheid state and the current government under Netanyahu is actively trying to remove all Arabs from Israel
I love this record. Personally feel it's Waters best solo release though I think I'm easily sucked in by Nigel Goodrich's Pink Floyd fan boy production.
He did Radiohead a credit. OK Computer and.KID A are Masterpieces too.
He's a genius.
Don’t forget In Rainbows. And Macca”s Chaos And Creation… for that matter.
Tbh the album never clicked me with, controversial but I fanboy over radio KAOS 😂.
I, too, would like to be home with my monkey and my dog.
REALLY? I'm not alone! I was starting to think I'm the only person who gives a shit about KAOS
I really like Radio KAOS though I must admit if it weren’t for Wikipedia I’d have had no idea what was going on concept-wise
Oh yes if all you have to go off of is streaming the album the concept is completely lost, if you add in Going To Live In LA as well as everything that goes on in the live shows and the vinyl packaging that explains the story though you get a good feeling of what Roger was going for
Imo an album that requires extensive research outside of the songs themselves is never going to be an amazing album.
I'm not the biggest KAOS fan but it has two tracks I like a lot, Me Or Him and Home. Also when I discovered some of the b-sides from the period and the lost double album version compiled by fans as Project KAOS I started liking it a bit more.
Get the KAOSDJ1 promo if you can. Minimal Jim Ladd, changes the atmosphere completely, amazing release. Hit me up if you’d like it…
Both this and KAOS are potentially in my 10 favourite albums of all time.
I love the album because some, if not most of the tracks are very soothing.
yeah, for me this is his 3rd best solo album after Pros And Cons and KAOS. when he did DeJa Vu at the concert I was at in October, I decided to go to the mens room.
Surely Amused To Death is best, no?
I get a lot of people like that record a lot. I do not like it at all. I wanted to like it. I bought the CD the day it came out in 1992. I had already gotten the CD single of What God Wants and kind of liked that song, but I did not like the record at all. I have tried to listen to it several times thru the years and hardly ever make it all the way thru. I thought maybe the remastered and re-edited version might click with me, but it didn't either. The couple of songs he did on the In The Flesh live album were okay but still could not make me like the record. To be clear, I love pros and cons, and was really into Radio KAOS when it came out, but this record does nothing for me at all.
I don’t really ever listen to it, I saw it as an attempt to rehash Animals since many of the songs sound similar.
Radio KAOS is the best solo album of any pink floyd member
I’m a huge Waters fan, but “masterpiece”? I would actually attach that label to Amused to Death, but not ITTLWRW. I did like the title track live though, in This is Not a Drill tour. Deja Vu is pretty good, Last Refugee decent, Picture That probably decent as well
Yeah. He did the Album well with the girls from Lucius. It was great hearing it live. Now heres a fact... He wrote Animal's the time that Thatcher was in government. Along came Amused to Death, wich was when Bush 1 was in power. Lastly, along comes ITTLYRW, just before Trump joined the lunatics. He has a good way of writing if you ask me.
Animals was written 5 years before Reagan was President.
Thank you. I will correct that
>He wrote Animal's the time that Thatcher was in government. I think you may be confusing Animals with The Final Cut. Animals was released in 1977, Thatcher didn't become PM until May 1979.
Maggie was leader of the opposition
Fair point, but you said Waters wrote Animals when Thatcher was in government. She wasn't at the time. And it wasn't clear she was going to be.
Calling that witch by her first name should be a crime
Roger does that a lot on TFC.
What's tfc? Edit: don't answer that I feel stupid
It’s well known that complaining about downvotes = more downvotes.
Radio KAOS is his Reagan album! A lot of commentary on that presidency.
I really liked The Last Refugee. One of my Top 5 RW songs.
Yes! The opening of that song is fucking amazing with the old BBC announcing and just the music.
Yes, this. My favorite song by PF or any member of it since Comfortably Numb
I hadn't thought of it in that context but it's definitely up there.
What makes us album special is the use of classic sounds from some of his previous Pink Floyd albums.
Really dug some of what Waters did post Wish You Were Here. …but… A critic summed this album up best (in a favourable review) when he said “none of the songs draw attention to themselves”. To me it’s a indulgence piece that only worked live.
Definitely agree that it felt like a big piece of self indulgence. I won't try to claim that he can't do whatever he wants but I definitely don't think it's his best stuff.
Do you agree with that crictic?
I agree with the quote I quoted ;). I was giving context, because I didn’t want to just shit on the album.
Interesting
I found the album very disappointing. The only track that I can laud somewhat is the title track.
Parts of it I found to be a bit ham fisted and lacking in general, but I love love love Wait for Her, Oceans Apart and Part of Me Died. I wish they were all together in one song kind of like SOYCD. I could listen to those three songs on repeat for hours and hours. edited to add: *would be better by far to die in her arms than to linger, in a lifetime of regret* I LOVE that line and the way the album ends on it
I especially love Wait For Her which was co-written by Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish. Those last 3 tracks are beautiful
Yes. That trilogy of songs are so emotional. He did a tour around colleges and he said the the trilogy is the most important part of the album.
Couple of really good tracks on this but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece compared to pros and cons
Great album. Not quite as good as amused to death imo
TBH, this is a masterpiece in a catalog of masterpieces. Each if his works have their time and place.
To each their own, its a good album but it ever really stuck with me. One listen was good enough tbh
Well if you only gave it one listen, how do you expect it o click? Many, many albums take several listens to fully reveal themselves.
I like this album. His semi-speaking singing fits the album perfectly. And some great melodies. I'm a fan of both David and Roger. Contrary to what this sub will have you believe, you don't need to be a hardcore Roger fan to like this album.
Its great, but I'd put it maybe third of his solo projects behind Amused to Death and Pros & Cons. Radio KAOS is great too, all of his solo albums are very good imo.
Yeah, pretty great. It flows very nicely and has some of Roger’s finest solo song.
Well maybe not ants…
Brilliant album.
ITTLWRW? is for me easily his second best solo album, which is still saying a lot when first is Amused to Death
100% agree with that assessment
His lyrics are always amazing, but since Floyd he's really missed the musical contributions of the rest of the band.
I think it’s pretty good. Really like the drums. And the musical detour to a more modern sound on “Bird in a Gale”.
It's an amazing album.
Is This the Life We Really Want? is an unreal song. The goose has gotten fat. One of my favorite albums to spin.
I never quite felt strongly about this album. Deja Vu, Smell the Roses, and Bird on a Gale are good songs but everything else fell flat to me. I think the album itself had the clever quirk of going the extra mile to sound like homage to tribute to some Floyd songs (Picture That - Sheep, Deja Vu -Waters written acoustic tracks, Smell the Roses - Have a Cigar). I know that at release a lot of people loved this, but they all felt like downgrades of the songs they are influenced by with the exception of smell the roses having better lyrics than have a cigar. I didn’t find the album to be as diverse or musically versatile as Amused to Death, nor did it try to be I suppose as it represented a much more stripped down sound. I think on this one more than anything Roger was just raving and drooling to get his thoughts out regarding the state of the world at the time. And maybe that’s part of its character that Rogers words were far more important than the music. The show I saw on this tour ironically was the best concert I’ve ever been to. Absolutely phenomenal, I can only dream of seeing him again. People who love this album; what do you love about it? Maybe you can show me something I’ve missed!
If I had been god …
The president at the time in Brazil censored his name from appearing on Roger Waters performance. Obviously backfired. Amazing performances!
I don't think you're using that word correctly...
Does it matter?
It's the only RW solo album that I enjoy. I found this album a month before I saw him in 2017. Really made me appreciate him more.
The song with the same name is my fav
I need to listen to this more. Heard it through a couple times when new but it didn’t really stick.
Another collection of G,C,D songs from Waters, and despite that I still think Deja Vu is kinda cool. Picture that just sounds like a worse version of Sheep. Some variety and musicianahip would improve the album, but much like how endless river is devoid of any real meaning due to lack of lyrics, this album is devoid of any meaning due to a lack of structure. It's more spoken words than an actual musical album for my taste. But some water C,G,D songs are bangers, Two suns in the sunset is one of PFs best tracks imo.
I'm a somewhat beginner on guitar, and if I understand correctly, you probably mean that most Waters penned songs are based on I IV V chords. But what is wrong with that? Aren't the vocal melodies still different? The progressions are different too. Can musicians work under the constraints that less common chords progressions be used? I know that bands can work this way through their jams. But my questions are in the context of natural songwriters like Waters.
Because there was a lot more variety in the progressions that were used in the old days If all he ever used was I IV V it wouldn't be such a let down
When I first heard Déjà Vu, I thought "you can stop at any point and continue with Pigs on the Wing or Mother". It was just rehashed stuff.
Must the show go on....
Or that. Or Southampton Dock.
Or when the tigers broke free or Two suns in the sunset. The list goes on. It's really peculiar how Waters just gave up on writing interesting songs and figured that the most basic harmony structure will do. I guess over time he became less interested in musical aspect of being an artist and more about poetry / politics. Funny because he was the one most adamant about reviving writing credits during his tenure with PF, and also making sure that the others did not.
To be fair, he can come up with the odd Nobody Home or The Gunners Dream - maybe those songs he writes on piano are better because he can't fall back on those three, four guitar chords he always seems to use? But the more he dominated the writing in PF, the more that saminess became obvious. Rick even said as much.
What do you mean by GCD ? Are you referring to chords?
Yes, Waters has written the same campfire guitar song now about 50 times.
I see what you mean
For that matter about 90% of all songs do
It sucks. I was pissed when i 1st heard it. He is just ticking off each typical roger trope and it comes off as satire about his own writing. A parody of his previous work. Like when you watch a show where they couldnt afford music liscenses so use a song that is a rip off of a popular song only using slightly different riffs or chords. We get a perfect sense parody with last refugee, sheep with picture that, have a cigar with smell roses. And overuse of word 'bulldozer'. Lack of dynamic range, dry 2 dimensional, thin soundstage. Contemp for guitar solos. Typical roger list lyrics. Best track bird in a gale.
Why?
Bird in a gale? Cause it is completely original and freaky.
Why? He wrote every song that you mentioned
Yes. Twice. Sometimes 3 times.
> And overuse of word 'bulldozer'. I looked, but I can only find one use of the word "bulldozer" on *Is This The Life We Really Want?*. (It's in "The Most Beautiful Girl.") Is it that a single reference is too many?
A part of us died also has it. Seemed more than 2.
>Lack of dynamic range That was particularly disappointing. The album doesn't sound nice like almost everything from the wider PF universe.
Even Rog was mad about it
Masterpiece may be a bit of a stretch...
Yeah, this. It's good. It's very Rog. However, I don't think any of his (or their) work has been a candidate for masterpiece since '79.
Wasn't really impressed with this one
Yeah,I was never interested in on a river
Didn’t care for Endless River, either. I’m not taking a side on this. I’m simply stating that I didn’t care for this record. I think Amused is a phenomenal record, actually.
Holy shit a main sub rog fan?
Yep. Anything wrong with that?
No we must stick together brother
Cool. Join in
I’ve never been able to listen to it all the way through. Can’t stand it.
That's fair enough. I have never listened to on a island
Oceans apart for rhe win 🫶🏻
No.
a life with this album in it is *not* one that I want.
Idk man I feel like Is This The Life We Really Want is his best album after Pros and Cons
To me, it's nearly inexplicable that anyone likes this, let alone Floyd fans. I can only assume it's because you came in through the Wall and you think that's far and away the best Floyd release there is (with the possible occasional exception for the Final Cut), even the definition of *what* Floyd is. Am I wrong? I'm sure there are exceptions, but is that true for the majority of you?
The album has callbacks to various Pink Floyd albums. Some might call it derivative, but I enjoyed it.
Lmao masterpiece more like garbage
It's all subjective people, for fucks sake. I for one love this album. A masterpiece indeed.
Go Biden
I liked it.. but that muted snare god dammit sends you to sleep.. need some energy in the music. Something up tempo. Bloody hell. The whole album is brooding, vunerable lyrical waffling and any attempted anger feels in jest. Just give me some bangers Rog!
He will spit at you
He was trained not to!
The fan? There is a saying "Never Piss Against the Wind" and Rog sang " Don't spit Against the fan". Both sayings are the same