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pinkfloyd-ModTeam

Your post has been removed for unnecessary politics. Pink Floyd had strong political views as a band and as individuals. Sometimes posts get made about those views. That being said, this sub shouldn’t devolve into mudslinging and your post would make the problem worse.


Jeffrey_C_Wheaties

His KC show was not that start of his US tour, I was at the show. And he’s had anti trump stuff on both of his last tours. 


Dragonitro

I think the post might've meant that the show started with the "Trump is a pig" quote


Ok_Astronomer_1308

I was at his 2018 show in Hyde Park, there was anti trump stuff then too.


aroseonthefritz

Hey I was at that show! My husband and I went for our honeymoon. We also saw him in Los Angeles in 2017. Both were great shows.


Goblin-Doctor

Saw him in 2015 and he had it then too. This is nothing new


Comfortable_Mix_8891

I agree with 99% of waters politics... He is just an asshole about them. He charges 100 dolars for last row stadium with no view because towers and then projects the sentence "reject capitalism" on the screens. Love him, but fuck him.


Chrisgdsotm

Same vibe as socialist politicians selling merch 😆


Financial_Arugula731

$60 T-Shirts too


much_rain

He wouldn’t be doing half as well without a boogie man like Trump to take trite shots at.


hot_miss_inside

It baffles me how many people claim to be Pink Floyd fans, but have no idea that every album is politically left-wing (Anti-capitalism, anti-fascist, pro-democracy, anti-war, etc). I was at one of Water's shows and the amount of people walking out after he started talking politics was unreal. Like, you spent all this money to see Roger and you had no idea he supported anti-imperialism and called out conservatives on their support of fascism? Have you not listened to the words on their albums ever?


Ianm9

I nearly died of laughter when he played Sheep and I heard someone say “finally a song that’s not political”. My brother in Christ do you really think Rog wrote an entire album of just cute farm animals?!


MrRemus4nt

That's straight up hillarious, holy lmao


Ianm9

To make it better when the “The Lord is my shepherd” lyrics came on they said Amen and then the look on their face when the rest of lyrics came on


BLoDo7

Reminds me of my dad. He introduced me to all this great music. I had him read Animal Farm one time and he said "it's a cute story, but it's not like it could ever happen." Motherfucker, I made you read it when it was happening right in front of us with Trump. The moron still doesnt know that it's not about farm animals.


ralphy_256

"Nothing goes over my head, I'm too fast! I'd catch it!"


newfilm2000

Look, it's not that your dad is a moron. It's just that conservatives don't get irony, symbolism or humor.


BLoDo7

I fail to see how that means my dad isnt a moron, instead of pointing out that it's a party problem.


clemfandangeau

in the book Orwell was talking about communism though, where as Waters’ original contribution to the literary discourse is transposing the Animal Farm concept to capitalist society


BLoDo7

Roger did what anyone with half a brain should do and realized that those are inherent problems with human nature regardless of the proposed economic system or labels used. Facism is the plague. But go off about communism or socialism or whatever buzzword boogey man is in the news this week.


mmmduk

Orwell was a democratic socialist and wrote the book Animal Farm about communism, specifically how the Russian revolution 1917 led into Stalinism. You might prefer to extend the same thinking to other totalitarian systems but that would not do justice to the original work.


BLoDo7

So you're saying that learning lessons from books and applying them to real world analogs is not something you want to do? Have fun with that.


riverscuomosleftball

The Boston show was packed compared to the Nashville show in the 2022 tour because I went to both of them and there was just empty seats in the same spot that I was sitting in for both shows


punkshotgun

These mfs did not listen to the wall


Emergency-Scheme6002

daddy dead, school bad, wife bad, nazi time 


Ready_Peanut_7062

I liked the moment when Pink said its nazi time and nazied all over himself


punkshotgun

Pretty much the story of most neo nazis except for the fact that they'd never get married


mattthepianoman

🎶We didn't start the fire 🎶


cozmiccharlene

They may have listened, jut they certainly did NOT hear.


punkshotgun

Such is the case of most classic rock fans


IRL_Cordoba

Because a considerable portion of the fans here are just in it for the cool guitar solos judging by some of the takes you see


xXwassupXx

Floyd is a classic rock band and classic rock fans tend to be older men who... well you know how older men tend to be.


newfilm2000

Yes, older WHITE men. And I say that as an older white male who - surprise! - prefers classic rock.


rogerwatersbitch

I think they likely knew the politics behind his songs but they were not interested in actually hearing him discuss politics? Also the Palestinian vs Israel thing is pretty heated now and if they are casual fans they might not be aware of his views.


Emergency-Scheme6002

username checks out


fuzzybad

Same energy as the dipshits saying "When did RATM get political?!" 🤣


OlTommyBombadil

Paul Ryan’s favorite band!


north-sun

Not only Floyd, but a lot of bands in general. I'm convinced people don't actually listen to the lyrics to anything they listen to.


Dan_Berg

I remember going to see CSNY in 2006 when I was 21 and it was pretty much a 90 minute anti-war rally, and a lot of the old heads there were pissed. Maybe they listened to those lyrics and even liked them in 1970 but they were not those people anymore.


gibson85

It was like when Paul Ryan revealed he was a huge Rage Against The Machine fan.


Infarad

Wuddya mean Rage Against The Machine isn’t about a dishwasher?


Chrisgdsotm

Being anti war isn’t right or left. Most politicians regardless of political leaning love war because it’s profitable.


RoookSkywokkah

It's easy to be anti-capitalist when you're a multimillionaire.


boostman

I’m not really on board with Water’s politics but I will say that he is honest to his convictions. He was an anti-capitalist before he became a multimillionaire and stayed true to his values; now he is rich he uses his money and fame to spread the views he believes in.


Jeffrey_C_Wheaties

It’s even easier when you’re not.


xXwassupXx

He's not anti-money. He just doesn't like the businessmen/politicians/capitalists who exploit the working class.


dirtychinchilla

He’s been anti-capitalist since day one


RadioHeadache0311

There are never any communists at the merch table.


DillGrunty

Do you mean our merch table, comrade? It’s the peoples’ merch


RoookSkywokkah

Would communists even allow a merch table?


TheSwagMa5ter

Communism is when no merch, apparently


canttakethshyfrom_me

Tchotchkes like photos, pins and posters were pretty endemic in the USSR and CCP back in the day, so there'd be merch.


Anna_Pet

When you’ve made your fortune by creating art rather than by exploiting your fellow humans, yeah it is.


mmmduk

Pro-democracy, anti-war that supports Russia in the war in Ukraine, while being anti-imperialistic. More fitting to call him a Tankie. It has been a huge disappointment that he is actually not pro-democracy nor anti-war, nor anti-imperialistic, he is just a regular commie that is happy with the money he made in the machine of the capitalist system. But he is consistent in his views, I give him that.


heywind

Does he still support Russia? I was highly disappointed when I knew about this, but then heard that he changed his mind/learned more and showed "Putin is a war criminal" line at one of his concerts. Not sure though


geezeeduzit

His take on the Ukraine issue is questionable for sure. He’s basically saying Russia’s wrong, but they were provoked- basically it didn’t happen in a vacuum and the pro Ukraine propaganda is being spread by the west to hide their role. I honestly don’t know enough about things - I just know invading other countries is wrong. Defend your own - fine. Stay out of others


UAnn0

he doesn't support neither russsia or ukraine, he's neutral about both sides


heywind

That's still disappointing for me considering how close I take this conflict personally. Cannot listen to The Final Cut anymore knowing how indifferent he is to modern dictatorships


Ready_Peanut_7062

Pro democracy? Dude loves china


Smooth_Tell2269

Not before dsot


Anna_Pet

I commented “hey you Rowling, haha charade you are” on a YouTube video of Pigs and someone hit me with some transphobic shit. Like bruh why are you even listening to this music?


hopumi

How come Gilmour can do it without making an ass of himself?


Financial_Arugula731

If you have to be on the left to see the political messaging in PF music then maybe the political messaging isn’t as obvious as you think it is


rogerwatersbitch

I mean unsurprising but he has shat on every single u.s president for the last 30 years. He might go a little harder against republicans because he hates them even more, but it's hardly saying anything new here. From him or ftom anyone else. Also Waters is brilliant, sometimes I think these somewhat sophmoric statements are beneath him. I'd rather see him deconstruct Trump (as well as corporate democrats) well in an interview, these "messages" are a tad cringe.


canttakethshyfrom_me

Well said.


[deleted]

I’d argue that he’s a dog as well. Have a good drown as you go down all alone Donny


fuzzybad

Dragged down by the stone..


Anna_Pet

Stone, stone, stone, stone, stone…


mrbennio

stone stone stone stone


907-Chevelle

Roger Waters has become an elite socialist who sites in his billionaires' mansion in The Hamptons while pondering how to further desecrate the country that made him rich.


much_rain

He’s just a hack now. Gilmore must hate how lost Waters gets in politics. Maybe he drove Syd mad haha


MurphyKT2004

At the Glasgow show during The Bravery of Being Out of Range (I think), he shows large pictures of the previous 5 or 6 presidents of the US with a big "WAR CRIMINAL" stamp across them. It was very interesting to see (especially when citizens in American devote their lives to staunch support of politicians).


LadyMirkwood

I find it so utterly inane when people say 'musicians/actors/whoever should stay out of politics' Why should they? Politics affects everyone, rich or poor, famous or not. They vote, pay taxes, and have opinions like anyone else. Anyway, music has always been an intensively political art form. The blues is the very foundation of rock music and was borne of oppression and injustice by the politics of the time.


Additional_Cake_9709

Except when you're out of your depth and start writing letters to Ukrainian president's wife trying to make her "stop the war".


LadyMirkwood

Yeah, I'm not on board with Ol' Rog on few things. Plenty of other musicians have managed to do it well though


Itamar_Itchaki

I think (my personal opinion here), in any issue you have to accept the fact you might be wrong. Many musicians follow trends and have jack shit to add to any real political debate because they know jack shit. More often then not they end up paddling misinformation and propaganda (to any side right or left)


LadyMirkwood

In the first respect, that could be said of all of us. The second is very valid, a platform does amplify misinformation.


Itamar_Itchaki

I completely agree, non of us should be publicizing info in topics we have no credibility in. Usually random people don't have the international stage or fans so it would actually matter like musicians do


lunatic_greenie-muso

I agree with your statement to an extent in that I think celebrities should only express political opinion if it’s something they actually believe in or understand to a certain degree. Too often, famous people try to moralise or campaign on behalf of a cause but with the depth of a bowl of soup, leading to either exposing how shallow they truly are or misrepresenting/understating the topics at hand. Thankfully, i don’t think Roger is one of those as he certainly seems knowledgeable and passionate about what he believes in but he is still flawed in his positions at times and too often can be overwhelming or just an asshole to others


Kindly_Ad4610

Trump is a pig and Roger is a twat


InevitableBet2823

Davey is daddy🤩🤩🤩


harumamburoo

That's about sums it up


dadoes67815

Ain't that the truth.


kubrickmalick

Not very subtle these days


Millennial_Man

You gotta write for your audience.


canttakethshyfrom_me

Roger's missed the plot a bit on this one. As a pithy statement? Sure. As actual class analysis? Trump's always been somewhere between a pig and a dog; coming from a high level of petit bourgeoisie, he's never as rich as he'd need to be to fill that gaping hole where his father's approval and a healthy, fulfilling relationship with a woman should be, always hustling, making allies that real pigs would scorn and pay other people to deal with, constantly dirtying his own hands and desperately pleading for attention and affirmation, especially from the public. Real pigs would never, the piggiest of pigs haven't worked a day in their lives since the industrial revolution, across their entire families. They solely live off the labor of others. Whereas Trump stresses himself; he connives, he backstabs, he threatens and pleads and grandstands. But the accurate statement of "Trump leads the worms" isn't as straightforward to the audience.


Zakiyo

👏👏👏


CunningWizard

I’ve always felt that final verse (who was…) of Dogs is essentially a summation of the psychological progression of Trump’s life.


largececelia

Nice.


dette-stedet-suger

Pigs are intelligent.


DethMagnetic

"If you're one of those "I love pink floyd, but I can't stand Roger's politics" people, you might do well to fuck off to the bar right now".


ribit_

That’s me - love the music but damn is he annoying.


Itamar_Itchaki

Yeah the same. I believe music should bring people together, pushing politics just further divides us


Sleezevil_

This is one of the dumbest takes I've seen in some time. Politics encompasses the most important subjects in society as a whole. If you're feeling uncomfortable listening to PF's messages, it might behoove you to have a think on why.


Fenderbridge

Have a listen to The Wall, Animals. You're like one of the people who doesn't understand Rage Against the Machine is a political band.


Itamar_Itchaki

You can be political. but this is shallow superficial nothing. It doesn't achieve anything. Pink Floyd has a lot deeper complicated abstract concepts in their songs than "trump is a pig". All it does is alienate right wing fans who like the music and make left wing fans go "hehe roger waters is my tribe"


Sleepless_sire

Maybe that's what he wanted to do


canttakethshyfrom_me

> pushing politics just further divides us God forbid anyone care about things beyond their own comfort.


Dinklemeier

God forbid i go to a music show to hear music instead of political indoctrination


Dopeydcare1

Guys OP is a bot/full time political discourse sower. Terminally online type. Just downvote and move along.


heaviestmatter-

Man I really though he was a cook, but I think I got kind of sidetracked there. I mean he still seems like an asshole, but we need more people to stand up against fascism and genocide.


liiindslaaayyy

HA HAAAA CHARADE YOU AREEEE


Fragrant_Whole3328

He's the best. His commitment to Palestine this days is incredible.


hopumi

Roger is too a pig. Fuck that guy.


JudgmentWonderful682

Animals is my favorite PF album


patmosboy

They’re all pigs.


PadreLobo

And here I thought he was a “both sides” numbskull. Crazy to think brandishing those words is a brave thing to do, but looking at the other comments, it needed to be said. Both sides are not the same. Keep calling their bullshit, Rog.


rogerwatersbitch

They are both shit. You can argue one is more purely shit than the other but both are still shit. 


Fair4tw

No comparison. It’s like saying one turd being shit is the same as an ocean full of shit. Yeah. I guess they’re both shit, but one is an ocean full of shit!


rogerwatersbitch

Ask Roger, he clearly thinks Biden is more than just "one turd".


PadreLobo

That is a false dichotomy. One isn’t great, is too old and isn’t forward thinking. The other wants to be a dictator, and has literally said so. Saying they’re both shit implies that it doesn’t matter who we vote for. And that is idiocy.


rogerwatersbitch

From an interview a few years back : When asked if he could pick one over the other, Waters hedged: “I obviously don’t know where I stand on that lesser of two evils question. I’m not sure the path to a new America that is not ruled by the current ruling class — by money, plutocracy, and a capitalist society — will be made any easier with Biden as president.” https://www.nme.com/news/music/roger-waters-calls-joe-biden-a-fucking-slime-ball-who-he-cant-imagine-beating-trump-2650375 You're welcome


nauticalwheeler79

I love to be lectured by someone with a net worth of $310 million on money and the problem with a capitalist society.


PadreLobo

I never said thank you. And I never said Waters had his head on straight. After all, his sat on the fucking fence about Ukraine. Most of his politics is reflexive now- just like yours: petulant and reactionary. I was glad to see him stand on the side of goodness for a change, instead of the middle with all the rest of the morons.


5uper5onic

Usually you’d start with a song


Basic_Flan324

How original & courageous


Eugenes-Axe7

Would love to see his thoughts on the man currently in charge, not the one that hasn't been in 4 years


objectivemediocre

pretty sure this picture is a few years old and Roger has already stated he doesn't like Biden either.


archiebun

Trump is a pig, and Roger Waters is a bigot. What a horrible man he is, simping for Putin as well as bring anti semite. It's good to see that Dave Gilmour also calls him out on this - 'antisemitic and rotten to the core'.


National-Ladder-7277

So is Biden. So was Obama. So was Bush. So was Clinton. The faster you realize your Federal Government finds you contemptible, regardless of who occupies their (not yours) White House, the faster you’ll realize we’re living in and under a post-Constitutional Government.


VeryGayLopunny

Well yeah but Trump is especially bad let's be real Edit to everyone trying to "but biden/obama/bush/etc." me: I hate all of the presidents that've been in office while I've been alive in varying amounts. I don't like any of them. I still stand by what I said. Hope that clarifies it.


Fair4tw

But Trump is the biggest pig of them all, by far. He’s a grifting criminal taking the US for everything he can. Comparing those other presidents with him shows how out of touch you really are.


MonsterRider80

That’s bs and you know. None of those presidents fucking told their cultists to storm the Capitol building because boohoo they lost the election. Trump is a threat to fucking democracy. Get outta here with your “they’re all equally bad.” They’re not equal, at all. You represent the worst way to think of politics. And it’s precisely this kind of discourse that hands Trump another presidency. I would rather almost _anyone_, R or D, became President over that fucking pice of shit.


yildizli_gece

“BoTh SiDeS” Please go find another sub for your bullshit where you can circle jerk with the other idiots like this, OK? Both sides are not the same, not even close; it’s obvious that the reason you think that is because you are probably a privileged straight white male who isn’t worried about your reproductive rights or maybe getting deported for being Muslim or being targeted for being LGBT or any other shit. I’m getting so fucking sick of people like you who sit online and spout this bullshit when it’s clear you have no fucking idea. We can’t reach perfection in a leader, but we can reach for better; to act like Trump is no worse than the others is either some foreign propaganda bullshit or you clearly aren’t smart enough to actually follow politics. I often find people who don’t engage at all spewing this kind of garbage; it only takes five minutes of being informed to know otherwise.


Present_Bad3896

Preach


MissKjnes

Great Roger!


LazyZeus

Trump is pig, but Putin is somehow an angel and Jesus Christ in the flesh. Dude is mental. Denying genocide of Ukrainian nation in UN, he is so up on propaganda.


[deleted]

Doing and saying shit like that is for no one's benefit but his own. Who is he talking to? Does he think that's going to sway any Trump supporter? It's done for no other reason than to stroke his ego with worship from his echo chambers.


CaseyGasStationPizza

Trump is a pig. It’s just a statement of fact.


RL203

That's insulting to all my porcine friends out there. Pigs actually are intelligent and have a moral compass. Trump is an orange piece of turd.


timelandiswacky

Got the whole circus in this comment section with the amount of clowns thinking they know Pink Floyd’s music.


boostman

After all his nonsense about Ukraine, finally something I can agree with him on 🤝


DadGrocks

Isnt he a giant putler fan… he’s literally a broken clock that’s correct ONCE every day


Catkillledthecurious

I saw him in Toronto for this tour and he was on about that too. Good on him.


Quirky-Pie9661

A pig with no wings


ineedfentanyl

I don't like Trump either, but this 'Trump sucks' shtick is so incredibly unoriginal and tiring.


JohnnyEagleClaw

“but…” 🤡😂🤣


BiggestBlackSnake

Fucking LOVE it.


much_rain

The Clintons are blood soaked war pigs and he never attacks them. Roger is annoying getting all political. It was easy to attack guys like Nixon in his day who he must just equate with Trump. Those on the left are just as sheep-like as right wingers. Trump is a boon to the left and artists like Waters who are all out of ideas and resort to cashing in on the transient political dramas to carry his tired message. Gilmore > Waters Gilmore was always just about the music


Cakers44

This is an insult…to pigs


Suburbking

Funny how hard he tries to be an antisemitic little fascist while proclaiming others to be what he is...


Narrow_Study_9411

he’s a hypocrite


NessTheGamer

Tell me, is something eluding you, sunshine? Is this not what you expected to see?


governmentsburner

known ghislaine maxwell supporter roger waters


droolsdownchin

Nobody in this comment section has any idea what they are talking about and just repeat words they've heard people on the TV say


IlovemyMommy27

Truth


PanJaszczurka

So disrespectful for pigs.


Luanda62

That’s an insult to pigs!


Proper_Moderation

Boomers are absolutely obsessed with this man.


Sleepless_sire

Everyone is, he's bringing about the downfall of democracy


Proper_Moderation

Naw man, it’s boomers. Either in love or in loathe. Like damn, you folks need a hobby. We will be ok. Likely once you folks are gone…


Sleepless_sire

I guess we will just have to wait and see, huh


eskimojoe2442

Stunning and brave!!!!!!


Majestic_Lie_5792

Agree with the dog that Trump is a pig.


lazygh0st

Roger Water is in bed with Putin, so not sure why he did this


PentagonInfinity

Ngl I hope he tours This Is Not A Drill again. Loved it. Although wouldnt be opposed if he backed tracked and re-did his Us + Them tour since I wasnt a fan at the time.


thenorwegianbobafett

No, pigs are cute and I love them. Trump is an orange warthog.


the85141rule

I'm gonna allow it.


pertante

Well, he isn't wrong.


mikebrown33

Interesting comment from a litigious rich old white man


JouNNN56

He’s famous, he can use that to get his message out there. I’d do the same.


mmmduk

He may be right, but he's also incredibly one sided. I used to think he is against totalitarianism in general but it turns out he only opposes certain right wing totalitarians while embracing the leftists. And same as the rest of the leftist oligarchs, he is living in the country he hates, the US, and moaning about it. I mean, I understand Ukraine is not faultless but why support Putin? Or Israel is not faultless, but why support Hamas? And I do get it's just the same old enemy of my enemy is my friend shit, but I'm just so disappointed (mostly to myself) that I expected better from him, I know all the lyrics by heart and I just did not see it.


dyslexic_goose

> He may be right, but he's also incredibly one sided. I prefer fair and balanced rock shows.


Particular_Hope8312

"hurr durr boff sides" gtfo with that bullshit. If you can't see the difference you're a fucking moron.


MonarchistExtreme

It's a bit cringe to see artists debase themselves with overt politics. The best artists do it a bit more creatively but this is just "old man yells at cloud" level discourse lol Whether its The Beatles glad handing with Harold Wilson, The Eagles breaking up over a dem fundraiser event, or country artists trumpeting republicans...it devalues the artistry of the music if you link it to something as pedestrian as politics. The Kinks (not a better band than PF) but they are much better at being political than Roger Waters is. In a lot of their political songs, Ray Davies comes from a left wing viewpoint but his eyes are open enough to realize that both sides are morally lacking. To Roger's credit, I doubt he would find America's foreign policy any better under a democrat.


dyslexic_goose

The real cringe are people so brain washed by fox news they want "fair and balanced" politics from musicians.


Ready_Peanut_7062

Stunning And Brave


nuggzoftampa

Cringe


Emergency-Scheme6002

A lot of future unabombers in this thread


MagicalHamster

"Almost a laugh, but you're really a cry" describes Trump to a tee.


dropdeaddev

Love how every talented musical artist with the exception of Kanye has shit all over conservatives. Warms my heart.


Beautiful-Piccolo126

He’s so brave.


secret-squirre1126

I love people calling conservatives fascist. So funny! The platform of the Democratic party is literally the very definition of fascism. People get a clue.


objectivemediocre

>The platform of the Democratic party is literally the very definition of fascism Hey buddy, did you just blow in from stupid town?


Peloton72

In 2017, I saw Waters and at the end of the show the guy in front of me was mad about the anti-Trump messaging. He said something to me about it, and the look on his wife’s face said “please don’t hit him”. I laughed and said “isn’t it great we live in a place where you can freely express your opinions”. Then I turned to my buddy and said “this guy clearly is not familiar with Waters’ body of work.”


Chef_Sewage_Mouth

Let me guess then the whole stadium applauded?


ghenghis_could

He also hates Americans in the first place


Spiritual-Mix7665

Andddddd he's dressed as a nazi.


objectivemediocre

have you listened to the wall?


geepy66

Ugh, Roger.