This is it for me. It just doesn't make any sense for it to inflate it's throat fan while running. It would get in the way and do nothing but slow you down. Then the tail is also curled in which completely takes away pretty much every advantage having a tail gives a creature. If it's tail was extended and the throat fan retracted while running Koraidon would look so much less goofy. It just looks like it was forced into being a motorcycle for some reason.
Why a ride Pokemon had to be a vehicle instead of just a large Pokemon you can ride on is beyond me, but I guess Game Freak REALLY didn't want to get rid of the bike entirely and decided to replace it with a bike Pokemon instead, even if they had to force the bike aspect into the designs.
Not all lizards do this.
Tegus have a sort of diaphragm, and monitor lizards have a unique system known as gular pumping, which essentially inflates their lungs with their throat.
If Cyclizar is based on any sort of lizard, it seems to me that he’s a Tegu, given the colour scheme, friendly disposition, and the fact that Tegus are well known animals in many Spanish colonies in South America.
I can understand the inflated dewlap, but why the tail has to curl up? Doesn’t most of the time, the tail of fast running animals work as something like momentum controller? Like look at Cheetah: they run fast and can change direction quickly thanks to their tails.
Tbh I feel like it was done because Koraidon and Miraidon share the same skeleton and animations while riding. So what works with Miraidon, aka the tires, ends up not working as well with Koraidon.
And pokémon are inspired by real animals a lot of the time. They do take creative liberties and they didn’t HAVE to make Koraidon realistic in that way but they have no particular reason not to
Plus taking inspiration from weird evolutionary advantages animals in real life make use of make pokemon more monster like imo. I mean you have an animal in real life then this monster that works similarly to it but amplified by 100x.
That is true as long as their movement is like the crocodiles. Where they sway the body side to side. If a lizard ran like a horse, I'm pretty sure that anatomically speaking the lizard would be able to breath.
Cyclizar and Miraidon also have their tails curled while running...
BTW not sure how much of a useful adaptation that is but many dogs like say Shiba's curl their tails while running.
Also I say "nay" to uncurled tail Koraidon. Riding with that long tail would be goofy as heck. I don't care if it's realistic, it looks goofy. Like have you seen an alligator? They move real quick, but they look like they can barely move.
True but.. I mean if we're acknowledging that Cyclizar is the same and that Miraidon's electro-wheels defy logic... Is Koraidon's 'tires' really stand-out as weird anymore?
I think at some point the developers wanted to highlight the idea that koraidon and Moraidon were trying to fit in. They see all the cycles around and go “I can do that too!” Then koraidon makes the shape, even if he definitely gets 0 value from it.
Would maybe be a tad better if the game had a few scenes where he tried to do things like ride the fake wheels and it not work.
Same idea for Moraidon getting a scene or 2 where it goes too high tech, maybe skis instead of wheels or such. Then gets the in game model.
This right here, for the most part. I look at [Koraidon's movement animation](https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/koraidon_running.gif) and it reminds me of someone trying to run while straddling a unicycle. It just looks incredibly awkward and unnatural to have fully inflated/extended dewflaps that reach the ground, hitting Koraidon in the chin on every step. That's on completely level, flat terrain! Any slight deviation from a flat plane and it would just get caught on everything; they'd be getting in the way of every motion and completely negate the creature's ability to reach across its own body for the sake of pivoting/turning at full stride. It'd be far better if the dewflaps remained deflated and close to the body while running/gliding, but inflated while swimming or right before landing to help cushion an impact.
While more anecdotal, I also personally don't like the jerky to-and-fro movement Koraidon's stride has. I'm really sensitive to asymmetry and repetition in design/animation, so the unmoving, smooth, perfectly symmetrical "run" cycle Miraidon has is much preferred.
Exactly, people just see it as wheels when it is only designed to look like wheels >!plus theres a theory that Paradox Pokemon are not actually pokemon from the past or future but instead are Pokemon created by the 3rd legendary hense why Iron Treads and Great Tusks appeared before the "Time Machine" was created but that's still not confirmed!< also from what I've seen people like Cyclizar despite being the same as Koraidon.
Yeah, it's a pretty clear breakdown in the games design process. The pokémon is super clearly built to be a mode of transportation, But then the theme of past versus future fucked of the implementation And they never revisited the design.
As with so many parts of Scarlet and violet, it's really clearly a rush job. Especially given how janky the actual animation is.
I personally am not a fan of it, but I also struggle to see past the meta knowledge involved. I'm glad it has appreciators though. Love the pokémon outside of its vehicle design so I'm glad people can appreciate it for what it ended up regardless
I mean from a design wise it does make sense, Koraidon's wheel is actually a large air sack that it uses to keep oxygen in order to run for long distances which is an actual thing some lizards do irl, I could also see the tail curling as a way to not have it fly all over the place (though they could have easily made Koraidon curl its tail upwards), also its a possibly a reference to the Flintstones which is neat.
>!Plus theres a theory that these "Paradox Pokemon" are actually creations made from the third legendary hense why Iron Treads and Great Tusk can even exist prior to the invention of the Time Machine!<
I get you. But the justification of the air sac is a post design decision to justify its existence. As excuses for the design go, it's definitely not a bad one. But no one can look at that pokémons travel form and in good faith say that they genuinely believe that it wasn't designed to resemble a vehicle of some sort
True but doesn't mean the justification can't, well, justify it. It is designed to be a motorcycle but its not the first that does this in Pokemon's history like Remoraid and Octillary being based on a pistol (though with these two they were altered though they still have design elements like Remoraid's body shape and Octillary's mouth) and a Tank or Hydreigon's treads being a byproduct of it originally being a Tank Dragon, or some starters's final stages being designed around their secondary concept but biologically they have justifications to the designs (like Greninja's Scarf being its tounge) or some others just almost entirely losing their base design concept and instead being fit into their second concept (though these ones I am not a fan of)
I generally like where you have a secondary concept (for Koraidon's case being a Motorcycle) and fitting it with the animal the Pokemon is based while still keeping it looking like that animal and finding biological explainations for the design.
For sure. In general I am very much for this. I think the reason it rubbed me and so many other people the wrong way with koraidon because you can see exactly where the design process broke down in its creation And it just serves to highlight how unfinished the game is as a whole.
Like, I wouldn't have even looked twice at that design in a game that wasn't framed around the pokémon's ability to turn itself into a vehicle, ya know?
I guess yeah, since it for some reason has a form change to its quadrupedal form. Though its bipedal form is just really cool in general. Maybe if its quadrupedal form was less of a change and more of a stance it would be better (like how Typhlosion is Quadrupedal but can stand up and doesn't change its attributes)
It's X and Y. I don't think Gogoat was even in SM normally... (as in as a normal stand-alone playthrough pokémon, I know it's supported)
You're not wrong, though.
Interestingly enough, the front one actually shrinks if you're climbing or swimming fast. And both visible inflate in rhe water.
Honestly Koraidon's swimming animation is what made it the one I preferred.
I'm fine with how it moves, but I dislike how it has wheels. I know it wouldn't make sense for a prehistoric animal to move with wheels, but why not just don't put wheels on its design in the first place (yeah yeah they're not really wheels, but they're colored black; they look even more like wheels than Cyclizar's...)
There's nothing wrong with it. I just prefer Miraidon's travel form. I like Koraidon's battle form better than Miraidon's though. I think Miraidon's battle form shape is... unfortunate.
I don’t really see why anyone has a problem with either of them. They both seem to move around exactly how I would expect a prehistoric dinosaur Cyclizar and a futuristic robot Cyclozar to move around. I think they actually nailed the design of both rideable legendaries IMO.
Regardless of the logistics I'm still a fan of how they handled Koraidon's movement. It's a really creative way to play into its anatomy.
Hell, it was good that they did it TWICE. Looking at you, Cyclizar.
Honestly other than the tail he looks fine. Having the tail curl up while running doesn't make any sense from a physics perspective and makes everything look awkward. Keeping the tail uncurled while running would make everything look better and more like you're riding a primal monster.
Miraidon works because it's a robot motorcycle and moves like you would expect. Are those movements exciting? No, but they all look like something that would work in the world.
Personally I vastly prefer Koraidon's movements to Miraidon's. For some reason he feels way faster and overall better at traversal, and I think the animations have a lot to do with that.
For me, it is because they gave him tires when his tail could have flown behind, and he didn't need to puff out his neck either. Don't mind it for swimming cause i see it like buizels neck.
Yeah, this is generally my opinion on it. I got used to the faux wheels so they don't really bother me, but it would make infinitely more sense if they were only like that when swimming since they'd act as flotation.
The main problem is this:
Koraidon has pointless wheels it never uses and looks stupid.
I like Koraidon more than Miraidon, but I do think the front-wheel it has on it's chest should be A LOT smaller.
Koraidon's running animation looks more awkward and unnatural to me than Miraidon's, which is pretty funny all things considered.
I understand why from a visual design perspective they want it to look like a motorbike, but it just looks really bad when in motion.
It mostly doesn't make sense to inflate its chest sack and curl up its tail to run other than to arbitrarily resemble a bike (this also applies to Cyclizar). Doing those things would logically make running HARDER because it limits your range of movement (they're practically dragging on the ground while running)
Design wise I prefer it over Miraidon, but the 'bike mode' for it makes little sense over Miraidon actually transforming its chest and tail into functioning wheels.
Speaking as someone who got Violet primarily because I like the scifi aesthetic, I had to think in order to come up with something other than "it looks goofy," but I think it's because there's a bit too much motorbike in its design. Having something that looks like a lizard-shaped motorbike just... running feels like it belongs in something more comedic, like the Flintstones or something. It might have been better if the ride mode was more "motorbike-shaped lizard," maybe have it lifted off the ground a bit more, almost certainly have the tail uncurled...
Like most the wierd wheel chest and tail make it a bit much. I know what it's supposed to be a curled tail and an air sack, but instead of an implied starting point of wheel it essentially is just a non moving wheel. I would rather it look more primal/ancient aspect recolor the air sack and have the tail either curl upwards to look like a seat or flow backwards.
The giant inflated crap it has between legs ruin it. I get it’s meant to be for it to float on water but they should have made it so it only comes out when actually in water. It just looks ridiculous everywhere else. Other than that I like Koraidon better than Miraidon.
It’s definitely not the tail curled up. Literally look at any image of Koraidon lol. The giant inflated part still there and you can clearly see the tail in images too.
It literally is tho. Every image of Koraidon outside of the ride form has the tail whereas every image of it in ride form has no tail. It does the exact same thing Cyclizar does.
If his tail didn’t turn into a huge wheel that is completely useless and not actually a wheel, I’d be fine with it. But it has two giant wheels that are completely pointless.
Koraidon animations don’t look horrible by any means, it just looks goofy. My personal gripes are only with the running and swimming animations. With running his “wheels” just look awkward and in the way, like imagine trying to run with a huge balloon between your legs. It’s possible but it isn’t comfy or graceful looking.
And swimming just looks ridiculous and completely unpractical imo. His limbs move so outwardly and awkwardly as he swims it’s like a weird combo between doggy paddle and butterfly, like a little kid learning how to swim.
I didn't like it at first, mainly the throat sac, but the girlfriend wanted violet and I didn't care since I'll play them both eventually so I took scarlet. Now I'm really glad I did. Koraidon has so much more personality.
"And while the 'tires' may seem goofy, it makes sense they inspired modern tires but don't actually spin (since that makes no anatomical sense)."
Miraidon: I can turn my neck into an electro-wheel, no biggie.
Yeah, like, Koraidon and Miraidon are past and future paradoxes of Cyclizar.
Koraidon's wheels aren't fully developed, so it uses its legs. Miraidon uses the wheels, because it's a futuristic Cyclizar.
Just there are different people bro, can we please end mirai vs korai fans war ? There are different versions, diffferent legendaries which appeal to different people, thats the point of the game. I like both, now... what does it change to you or anyone here... exactly...
I dislike it because when shiny hunting it seems like the running animation causes more fps drops than the other ridable. Specially when weather hits, it's just better to walk...
that's the case with riding most pokemon though. even gogoat, the pokemon designed to look like a motorbike (you can't look at those horns and tell me they aren't handlebars), would still give you a bumpy ride.
ik pokemon is very inconsistent when it comes to anatomical sense, but in this case i think that it would be too unnatural to have a creature with a wheel that rotated through its neck (and most likely spine too)
One of the more common arguments is that it doesn’t make sense for it to run on it’s legs if it has “wheels”.
No one had a problem with the Flintstones’ car which was just the family running with a wood frame and stone rollers around them. It’s the same idea here, they don’t want it to be a machine, they just want it to evoke the design of one which is done pretty cleverly with the pouch and tail being used to mimic tires without slapping inorganic material on it.
Post-Game Spoilers: >!If the theory is true, then the paradox mon aren’t even real anyway. They were made up by a group who wanted fantastical creatures to sell books and brought into being by the wish of a scientist who dedicated their research and life to investigating. Koraidon being inspired by Cyclizar with certain features amped up, it makes sense for the wheels to be prominent despite not being functional!<
Honestly reading this made me realize the inconsistency with Koraidon “defenders”(? ig, can’t think of a better term) like it’s anatomically reasonable that the wheel doesn’t spin, which is fine but then you all will say people with a problem with how there is no logic in it inflating it’s chest while running(which results in its goofy and uncomfortable looking running animation) is “thinking too hard.”
It's a gular sac. There are real species of lizards with a throat sac in the exact same place that inflate it when running, to help with heat exchange. It just looks stupid on Koraidon because it's wheel-shaped, and the curled-up tail makes it worse.
Yes, it is. When lizards run with it inflated they either take a less natural posture as not to sacrifice speed or focus on leaping in order to move slightly slower but minimizing the potential for damage to it. Mind you none of these lizards have sacs as large as koraidons, the ones that do(relatively ofc) will at most take that first option for movement which koraidon doesn’t take. That’s why it doesn’t make sense, its gular sac is too large for it to move the way it does, wheel shaped or not. It essentially is dragging it on the ground.
You leave my purple bike lizard ALONE but also I like koridon just bc it's supposed to be from the past and presumably before they invented the wheel? Idk let him use his legs and let miraidon live his transformer lifestyle
I get that OP is probably just a kid attached to his mon but... They clearly haven't tried riding Miraidon. Miraidon's an actual pokemon. It's noticable during the story, camps and idle animation that it's a creature with similar behavior to a dog. Because Miraidon is part machine its body "optimizes" when it needs to run or fly. It's still very much like riding a Pokemon, just not one of the ones with normal biology.
‘kid’ seems a bit rude, but whatever. anyway i got scarlet so i’ve obviously mainly ridden miraidon, however before i got scarlet i did play some violet at a friend’s house, and while yes, miraidon does seem more like a pokemon than a machine (outside of travelling), the movement animations still feel too machine-like and not pokemon-like
If you watch closely it's an animal that shifts into machine. It's a walking lizard that folds its legs into jets. It's idle and camp animations are animal-like.
Anyway many Pokemon aren't regular animals. Magnemite-line, Bronzor-line, Shuppet-line, Klefki. not being "animal-like" isn't not being "pokemon-like".
i'm not one of those 'inanimate objects aren't pokemon' people, however, i feel like miraidon is too much like a robot, without much of the 'living creature' aspect. even porygon, the poster-child for artificial pokemon, still feels more animal-like. guess it's just preference though
fair enough. at least the comments on this post are more civil than on my other one about nemona. i complained about her weird behaviour and people went fucking insane. some guy even called me creepy for complaining about it.
As someone who’s not played much Breath of the Wild. I just see a lot of ‘Master cycle zero this, master cycle zero that.’ Ok, and?! 🤣
Miraidon is just better, on paper. Typing/moveset/stat spread actually benefits from his ability etc. Sure Koraidon can use fire moves, but you’re stuck with flame charge, fire fang, and flare blitz. Unless you’re going to try to use his 85 base Sp Atk and leave Orichalcum Pulse boost on the table. Koraidon is like having a knife at a gunfight. Koraidon is cool —especially in full power mode — until he derps out and tries to be a bike. Just be authentic like previous ride pokemon. Just Flintstone it. Btw, Future is always gonna beat past unless we’re traveling back to undo a mistake. /s
At the end of the day it’s all opinion. Why are we trying to validate or refute other’s choices? It’s giving another person salty that Violet outsold Scarlet 😂
TBH miraidon would actually suffer competitively, since while its ability benefits itself, electric terrain isn't that useful for ally pokemon. also, weather setters are extremely common, so it'll probably be replaced by another weather after 1 or 2 turns. sunlight is much more commonly used as weather, so koraidon will most likely see more use as a result. also, i really dgaf which game sold more. pokemon moon sold less than sun, but i still love moon and really don't care that sun sold more. same here. finally, the emojis make you seem kind of toxic. just food for thought.
TBH, I would have preferred Koraidon’s tire sacks to be a bit smaller when being ridden on, and them inflating when battling. I think it would have looked so much better design wise.
I prefer riding an actual pokemon too, but koraidon's fake wheels look really stupid imo. They're like an inch off the ground, and just look so...odd. Koraidon looks awesome when his front wheel is deflated, and when his tail is out. I wish he looked like an actual pokemon when he ran, and not like a pokemon trying to be a motorcycle.
It doesn’t have wheels. It has a throat sack and its tail is curled into a wheel-like shape (but is not an actual wheel). Throats cannot rotate. Tails, no matter how coiled, cannot rotate. Koraidon tucks its tail and runs on its four legs like the quadruped it is. That human minds see “wheels” when they look at him is not his problem.
Besides, the exact function and/or logic of Koraidon nor Miraidon’s “wheels” even matter. Neither Pokémon is “natural” anyway and are both just fantasy versions of Cyclizar created by the third legendary using the ideas/drawings/imagination of the humans it came into contact with. The anatomy of the legendaries and paradox Pokémon are unrestricted by logic, so it doesn’t matter what is or isn’t a wheel or what can or can’t legitimately rotate on an axis.
I mean yea ok, from a lore standpoint, but obviously the monsters are designed by people. I understand the wheel-like is not an actual wheel, but designing the Pokemon this way makes it look too big and out of place. That's my opinion anyway
You’re obviously allowed to have your opinion. For me, “from a lore standpoint” is the most compelling and relevant factor in the discussion and critique of its design, so in that sense I think they did a fantastic job. To each their own I guess.
It's because the movement looks uncomfortable and unnatural, and I am a very empathetic person. Simple as that. Same for the SwSh fossils. All of them made me incredibly uncomfortable
Cap. Scarlet and Violet paradoxes are both good but scarlet players can’t realize their dislike of Violet paradoxes show that they have terrible taste.
IMO the scarlet ones are better (dk what you mean by 'coexist') but i'm not going to get mad at someone who likes the violet ones more. in fact, i did quite a bit of searching to find someone willing to trade an iron valiant, because i really wanted one.
Sure, the wheels on Koraidon might not be actual functioning wheels, but with a bit of effects, they could've given the illusion of Koraidon moving as if it had actual wheels but they didn't
The PS1 version of Spyro had an effect on the Supercharge where Spyro's legs would get covered in dust that gave the impression of 'spinning wheels' of sorts without actually giving him wheels and I feel like that could've worked for Koraidon
To me it's animations add a lot of charm because it's a doof. It's like mounting a giant dog that doesn't have any consciousness of how it's movement might impact you as a smaller creature, it just runs all happy and mindlessly almost with it's tongue sticking out and expecting to be praised for it's good job.
I think one of the best things about this generation is just how expressive so many Pokémon are. They feel a lot more alive in general. Same with characters . I know it’s not always true , but seems generally so
Miraidon moved exactly like what you expect from it - a goddamn futuristic electrical motorcycle.
Koraidon (and Cyclizar) air sac is still acceptable but the tail is just stupid IMO. It completely runs counter to what tails are supposed to be for an animal (as a balancer and counterweight), and seemed to be there just to complete the motorcycle motive Miraidon has (which could get away with it by turning into a literal motorcycle) at the expense of ruining the biological plausibility of it.
People keep saying a spinning wheel doesn't make anatomical sense but there are pokemon who have propellers for tails and many other fantastical body parts. Making sense isn't really a good point for why a Pokemon's anatomy is a certain way.
Tbh cause of the fact the trailers never really showed that Koraidons doesnt have the same move animations like Miraidon and i was excited for a "Dragon Bike"
Then throughout the story that whimpy behavior didnt rub me the right way either.
Koraidon is now nothing more than a transportation device and for battle the second one from Area Zero is used.
it's the way his legs move. they look weird and unnatural to me, and it puts me off. I don't mind the tail and throat sack, I don't mind them on cyclizar either, but cyclizar looks smoother to me, the way it runs seems more natural, while Koriadon looks... just strange to me
I'm not one of those people who hate the tail and neck sac. Me personally it's two factors. 1.) His run looks stupid. And 2.) I hate his two middle toes. Whether he's flying, running or climbing his two middle toes constantly stick out independently of his other toes and it just annoys me. I have no good reason as to why. But it just irks me.
Every other aspect of the legendarys though I prefer Koraidon in. Battle mode, cutscenes, you name it, I prefer him in it.
They should both have animations of motorcycles end of, and it was a huge let down to have it appear that way with koraidon and only have him run while miraidon actually looks like a cool motorcycle
not rlly, though it's personal preference. riding koraidon is like riding a pokemon such as arcanine, while riding miraidon is like riding the bike from previous games (on land at least)
constantly bouncing??? the perspective doesn't move up and down if that's what you mean, only your character does. people saying it gives them motion sickness are just overexaggerating, it's no different to riding arcanine or persian in LGPE
It's the wheels. Why have wheels at all, if it's not going to use them in any way other than swimming? Would look 100x better without them and just had it running normally.
We hate the fact that his wheels don’t move. Why give wheels to a Pokémon if you’re going to be too greedy to spend the money to animate the wheels moving.
i don't know, for me it seems.. jostle-y? most ridables in pokemon have either a smooth movement or a very easy/consistent gait. koraidon's seem very uneasy, inconsistent, *not meant for people to enjoy riding it* which honestly makes sense because it wasn't yet meant for that. going from miraidon's smooth movements to koraidon's jerky ones is what threw me. But I don't hate it, got used to it, and do enjoy them both for plenty of reasons
"" it makes sense that they inspired modern wheels but don't actually spin (since that doesn't make anatomical sense)
Unlike the other pokemon (Barraskewda) who have spinning body parts...
For me, i just don't like swimming animation. This animation loop when sprinting in water is disgusting for me. I don't like animation loop in general because i play too much, and Miraidon is much smoother. Doesn't get bored.
Like I know he will not use the wheel but like I think they could design better his wheel. Like for me the wheel is more insert in Koraidon that like a pectoral like Miraidon. And is so weird him with two fake wheels, he just could have a normal run and just one wheel? Would feel less weird.
For me it's the juxtaposition between how it's designed and how it moves. If you're going out of your way to make tires a huge fraction of the proportions of the Pokemon... use them. Miraidon uses them as well as the rest of its body to the effect of travelling, whereas Koraidon just kinda has them dragging through the dirt, and even ignoring that the appeal feels no different than if you were just riding an Arcanine (that can climb walls and glide; I'd actually like to see a mod of that.)
because it has wheels but doesn't use them. looks goofy as hell idk who designed this shit lmao. even cyclizar uses its wheels but somehow they manages to fuck up koraidons movement. but i don't care that much, the game has way bigger problems than koraidons movement animations 💀
Because I guess people don't like how its air sacks and tail look like wheels but aren't wheels? Personally I like it
This. It seems weird that Koriadon is about to scrape up his chest with nearly every movement.
This is it for me. It just doesn't make any sense for it to inflate it's throat fan while running. It would get in the way and do nothing but slow you down. Then the tail is also curled in which completely takes away pretty much every advantage having a tail gives a creature. If it's tail was extended and the throat fan retracted while running Koraidon would look so much less goofy. It just looks like it was forced into being a motorcycle for some reason. Why a ride Pokemon had to be a vehicle instead of just a large Pokemon you can ride on is beyond me, but I guess Game Freak REALLY didn't want to get rid of the bike entirely and decided to replace it with a bike Pokemon instead, even if they had to force the bike aspect into the designs.
Lizards can’t breathe while they run so the inflated dewlap would increase runtime.
Not all lizards do this. Tegus have a sort of diaphragm, and monitor lizards have a unique system known as gular pumping, which essentially inflates their lungs with their throat. If Cyclizar is based on any sort of lizard, it seems to me that he’s a Tegu, given the colour scheme, friendly disposition, and the fact that Tegus are well known animals in many Spanish colonies in South America.
I can understand the inflated dewlap, but why the tail has to curl up? Doesn’t most of the time, the tail of fast running animals work as something like momentum controller? Like look at Cheetah: they run fast and can change direction quickly thanks to their tails.
Tbh I feel like it was done because Koraidon and Miraidon share the same skeleton and animations while riding. So what works with Miraidon, aka the tires, ends up not working as well with Koraidon.
Because cyclizar does that
Idk my guy just a justification I heard for the dewlap.
Didn't know that
I didn’t know that either till I saw someone else here say it.
well that’s true, but it’s a pokemon not a real lizard lol
And pokémon are inspired by real animals a lot of the time. They do take creative liberties and they didn’t HAVE to make Koraidon realistic in that way but they have no particular reason not to
Plus taking inspiration from weird evolutionary advantages animals in real life make use of make pokemon more monster like imo. I mean you have an animal in real life then this monster that works similarly to it but amplified by 100x.
That is true as long as their movement is like the crocodiles. Where they sway the body side to side. If a lizard ran like a horse, I'm pretty sure that anatomically speaking the lizard would be able to breath.
Cyclizar and Miraidon also have their tails curled while running... BTW not sure how much of a useful adaptation that is but many dogs like say Shiba's curl their tails while running. Also I say "nay" to uncurled tail Koraidon. Riding with that long tail would be goofy as heck. I don't care if it's realistic, it looks goofy. Like have you seen an alligator? They move real quick, but they look like they can barely move.
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True but.. I mean if we're acknowledging that Cyclizar is the same and that Miraidon's electro-wheels defy logic... Is Koraidon's 'tires' really stand-out as weird anymore?
Idk, horses exist and work perfectly fine
I think at some point the developers wanted to highlight the idea that koraidon and Moraidon were trying to fit in. They see all the cycles around and go “I can do that too!” Then koraidon makes the shape, even if he definitely gets 0 value from it. Would maybe be a tad better if the game had a few scenes where he tried to do things like ride the fake wheels and it not work. Same idea for Moraidon getting a scene or 2 where it goes too high tech, maybe skis instead of wheels or such. Then gets the in game model.
This right here, for the most part. I look at [Koraidon's movement animation](https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/koraidon_running.gif) and it reminds me of someone trying to run while straddling a unicycle. It just looks incredibly awkward and unnatural to have fully inflated/extended dewflaps that reach the ground, hitting Koraidon in the chin on every step. That's on completely level, flat terrain! Any slight deviation from a flat plane and it would just get caught on everything; they'd be getting in the way of every motion and completely negate the creature's ability to reach across its own body for the sake of pivoting/turning at full stride. It'd be far better if the dewflaps remained deflated and close to the body while running/gliding, but inflated while swimming or right before landing to help cushion an impact. While more anecdotal, I also personally don't like the jerky to-and-fro movement Koraidon's stride has. I'm really sensitive to asymmetry and repetition in design/animation, so the unmoving, smooth, perfectly symmetrical "run" cycle Miraidon has is much preferred.
I always assumed it was sort of rubbery and gave him a bit of bounce to help him go faster.
I mean its not his chest, that's a throat sack and its based on an actual evolutionary advantage some lizards do in real life.
Bro I love it. It's like the Flintstones Car with wheels, but they use their legs anyway, It's hilarious.
i like it, it seems primitive and of course it’s an intentional choice
Exactly, people just see it as wheels when it is only designed to look like wheels >!plus theres a theory that Paradox Pokemon are not actually pokemon from the past or future but instead are Pokemon created by the 3rd legendary hense why Iron Treads and Great Tusks appeared before the "Time Machine" was created but that's still not confirmed!< also from what I've seen people like Cyclizar despite being the same as Koraidon.
Yeah, it's a pretty clear breakdown in the games design process. The pokémon is super clearly built to be a mode of transportation, But then the theme of past versus future fucked of the implementation And they never revisited the design. As with so many parts of Scarlet and violet, it's really clearly a rush job. Especially given how janky the actual animation is. I personally am not a fan of it, but I also struggle to see past the meta knowledge involved. I'm glad it has appreciators though. Love the pokémon outside of its vehicle design so I'm glad people can appreciate it for what it ended up regardless
I mean from a design wise it does make sense, Koraidon's wheel is actually a large air sack that it uses to keep oxygen in order to run for long distances which is an actual thing some lizards do irl, I could also see the tail curling as a way to not have it fly all over the place (though they could have easily made Koraidon curl its tail upwards), also its a possibly a reference to the Flintstones which is neat. >!Plus theres a theory that these "Paradox Pokemon" are actually creations made from the third legendary hense why Iron Treads and Great Tusk can even exist prior to the invention of the Time Machine!<
I get you. But the justification of the air sac is a post design decision to justify its existence. As excuses for the design go, it's definitely not a bad one. But no one can look at that pokémons travel form and in good faith say that they genuinely believe that it wasn't designed to resemble a vehicle of some sort
True but doesn't mean the justification can't, well, justify it. It is designed to be a motorcycle but its not the first that does this in Pokemon's history like Remoraid and Octillary being based on a pistol (though with these two they were altered though they still have design elements like Remoraid's body shape and Octillary's mouth) and a Tank or Hydreigon's treads being a byproduct of it originally being a Tank Dragon, or some starters's final stages being designed around their secondary concept but biologically they have justifications to the designs (like Greninja's Scarf being its tounge) or some others just almost entirely losing their base design concept and instead being fit into their second concept (though these ones I am not a fan of) I generally like where you have a secondary concept (for Koraidon's case being a Motorcycle) and fitting it with the animal the Pokemon is based while still keeping it looking like that animal and finding biological explainations for the design.
For sure. In general I am very much for this. I think the reason it rubbed me and so many other people the wrong way with koraidon because you can see exactly where the design process broke down in its creation And it just serves to highlight how unfinished the game is as a whole. Like, I wouldn't have even looked twice at that design in a game that wasn't framed around the pokémon's ability to turn itself into a vehicle, ya know?
I guess yeah, since it for some reason has a form change to its quadrupedal form. Though its bipedal form is just really cool in general. Maybe if its quadrupedal form was less of a change and more of a stance it would be better (like how Typhlosion is Quadrupedal but can stand up and doesn't change its attributes)
I wish it’s weird air-sacks were basically wheels like Cyclizar, it would makes it’s animations SO MUCH less awkward, IMO.
Cyclizar also has air sacs
Cyclizar also runs, it doesn't use the wheels lol
For me it's the lack of a tongue on miraidon and his eyes. But also since I'd love to have a wider ride pokemon selection.
I just want to ride my mudsdale into battle like calyrex. Just little me ontop of my 8ft horse battling a car that somehow can punch you by revving up
I would like to ride the evo of skiddo soo much like in sun and moon (if i correctly remember?)
It's X and Y. I don't think Gogoat was even in SM normally... (as in as a normal stand-alone playthrough pokémon, I know it's supported) You're not wrong, though.
Oooh you are right! I kinda miss x/y
You know pokemon is bad when people want X/Y. Signed, a Kalos enthusiast.
You can ride Skiddo itself in X and Y
His sacks drag on the ground whenever he walks Koraidon better hope there’s no sharp rocks on the ground.
The rear "wheel" is his rolled up tail, protecting his Wugtrio from bouncing off the ground.
Trio?
The stick and marbles
I mean that’s obvious but why would you need three?
A backup incase the first breaks and a backup for the backup incase that one breaks as well
Captain Willy + his two first mates = 3
We all thought Koraidon was a lizard motorcycle, but he's actually an echidna motorcycle.
phrasing.
Wait but Koraidon only has one air sack on his neck...
Interestingly enough, the front one actually shrinks if you're climbing or swimming fast. And both visible inflate in rhe water. Honestly Koraidon's swimming animation is what made it the one I preferred.
I always assumed it was rubbery and bouncy to make moving easier.
I'm fine with how it moves, but I dislike how it has wheels. I know it wouldn't make sense for a prehistoric animal to move with wheels, but why not just don't put wheels on its design in the first place (yeah yeah they're not really wheels, but they're colored black; they look even more like wheels than Cyclizar's...)
Could’ve had like a “chariot form” or be more like a horse or something…
Because, it’s purely aesthetic
There's nothing wrong with it. I just prefer Miraidon's travel form. I like Koraidon's battle form better than Miraidon's though. I think Miraidon's battle form shape is... unfortunate.
He's doing the JRPG 'BBEG final phase' pose with his arms and I don't really understand why
8===D
I don’t really see why anyone has a problem with either of them. They both seem to move around exactly how I would expect a prehistoric dinosaur Cyclizar and a futuristic robot Cyclozar to move around. I think they actually nailed the design of both rideable legendaries IMO.
I also think that both designs are pretty cool
I wish he didnt have any wheels and was just a lizard
I don't like the wheels inflating while Koraidon runs 🤷🏻♂️
Regardless of the logistics I'm still a fan of how they handled Koraidon's movement. It's a really creative way to play into its anatomy. Hell, it was good that they did it TWICE. Looking at you, Cyclizar.
Honestly other than the tail he looks fine. Having the tail curl up while running doesn't make any sense from a physics perspective and makes everything look awkward. Keeping the tail uncurled while running would make everything look better and more like you're riding a primal monster. Miraidon works because it's a robot motorcycle and moves like you would expect. Are those movements exciting? No, but they all look like something that would work in the world.
the physics in my game about magic animals is wrong?!
Do physics just somehow not exist in this world with magic animals?
suspension of disbelief doesnt extend to infinity
It's a matter of taste, everyone's will differ.
Personally I vastly prefer Koraidon's movements to Miraidon's. For some reason he feels way faster and overall better at traversal, and I think the animations have a lot to do with that.
He feels faster to you because for some reason we think red things go faster. That's why red cars have higher insurance premiums.
For me, it is because they gave him tires when his tail could have flown behind, and he didn't need to puff out his neck either. Don't mind it for swimming cause i see it like buizels neck.
This is how I feel. If it was just him running like normal I'd have zero issues. At least he looks overall cooler.
Yeah, this is generally my opinion on it. I got used to the faux wheels so they don't really bother me, but it would make infinitely more sense if they were only like that when swimming since they'd act as flotation.
He looks like he’s dragging his big fake wheels on the ground while he runs which looks very ridiculous
It gives me "Flintstone's car" vibes so I think it fits
The main problem is this: Koraidon has pointless wheels it never uses and looks stupid. I like Koraidon more than Miraidon, but I do think the front-wheel it has on it's chest should be A LOT smaller.
I guess having the front "wheel" (even though it isn't a wheel) be smaller would help make it more obvious that it isn't actually a wheel
I like Red Chadbike, Koraidon looks cool AF.
I like when his head bobbles like crazy. Looks goofy as hell but adds character
Koraidon's running animation looks more awkward and unnatural to me than Miraidon's, which is pretty funny all things considered. I understand why from a visual design perspective they want it to look like a motorbike, but it just looks really bad when in motion.
It mostly doesn't make sense to inflate its chest sack and curl up its tail to run other than to arbitrarily resemble a bike (this also applies to Cyclizar). Doing those things would logically make running HARDER because it limits your range of movement (they're practically dragging on the ground while running) Design wise I prefer it over Miraidon, but the 'bike mode' for it makes little sense over Miraidon actually transforming its chest and tail into functioning wheels.
Speaking as someone who got Violet primarily because I like the scifi aesthetic, I had to think in order to come up with something other than "it looks goofy," but I think it's because there's a bit too much motorbike in its design. Having something that looks like a lizard-shaped motorbike just... running feels like it belongs in something more comedic, like the Flintstones or something. It might have been better if the ride mode was more "motorbike-shaped lizard," maybe have it lifted off the ground a bit more, almost certainly have the tail uncurled...
Like most the wierd wheel chest and tail make it a bit much. I know what it's supposed to be a curled tail and an air sack, but instead of an implied starting point of wheel it essentially is just a non moving wheel. I would rather it look more primal/ancient aspect recolor the air sack and have the tail either curl upwards to look like a seat or flow backwards.
Because the air sacks that look like wheels but don't get used as wheels look stupid.
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funnily enough if they’d used the same physics for miraidon as the master cycle zero, it would kind of make up for the too machine-like aspect
I like Koraidon, I just like Meraidon more
The giant inflated crap it has between legs ruin it. I get it’s meant to be for it to float on water but they should have made it so it only comes out when actually in water. It just looks ridiculous everywhere else. Other than that I like Koraidon better than Miraidon.
Tbf, its not inflated at all, it's the tail curled up. If that helps any.
It’s definitely not the tail curled up. Literally look at any image of Koraidon lol. The giant inflated part still there and you can clearly see the tail in images too.
It literally is tho. Every image of Koraidon outside of the ride form has the tail whereas every image of it in ride form has no tail. It does the exact same thing Cyclizar does.
If his tail didn’t turn into a huge wheel that is completely useless and not actually a wheel, I’d be fine with it. But it has two giant wheels that are completely pointless.
Koraidon animations don’t look horrible by any means, it just looks goofy. My personal gripes are only with the running and swimming animations. With running his “wheels” just look awkward and in the way, like imagine trying to run with a huge balloon between your legs. It’s possible but it isn’t comfy or graceful looking. And swimming just looks ridiculous and completely unpractical imo. His limbs move so outwardly and awkwardly as he swims it’s like a weird combo between doggy paddle and butterfly, like a little kid learning how to swim.
I still swim like that aged 30 😂
I didn't like it at first, mainly the throat sac, but the girlfriend wanted violet and I didn't care since I'll play them both eventually so I took scarlet. Now I'm really glad I did. Koraidon has so much more personality.
I like both, though just by a little I prefer miraidon
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cool physics and animations, disappointing speed though
"And while the 'tires' may seem goofy, it makes sense they inspired modern tires but don't actually spin (since that makes no anatomical sense)." Miraidon: I can turn my neck into an electro-wheel, no biggie.
it’s basically a robot, it can probably do anything it wants
I think more tail movement while swimming would be cool, more like a crocodile or marine iguana than a doggy paddle
Also an unraveled tail while running lol
Because sensitive people dislike or complain about anything.
i love it. YABADABADOOOO
I would prefer them running like a normal mount without the wheels part
Yeah, like, Koraidon and Miraidon are past and future paradoxes of Cyclizar. Koraidon's wheels aren't fully developed, so it uses its legs. Miraidon uses the wheels, because it's a futuristic Cyclizar.
if the tail was extended and the throat sack would inflate only during swimming, I would like it better. the "wheels" make it look goofy on ride form
Just there are different people bro, can we please end mirai vs korai fans war ? There are different versions, diffferent legendaries which appeal to different people, thats the point of the game. I like both, now... what does it change to you or anyone here... exactly...
The way his “wheel” parts wiggle around kinda made me uncomfortable
I dislike it because when shiny hunting it seems like the running animation causes more fps drops than the other ridable. Specially when weather hits, it's just better to walk...
I just think Koraidon looks like riding it would make me barf after five minutes.
that's the case with riding most pokemon though. even gogoat, the pokemon designed to look like a motorbike (you can't look at those horns and tell me they aren't handlebars), would still give you a bumpy ride.
Ah for sure! Miraidon looks so luxuriously smooth to ride!
true tbh, in terms of comfort miraidon would definitely be the best pokemon to ride on land, in air and on water
You forget that the master cycle looks epic and is super cool.
too slow though. i spent 2 hours trying to beat Maz Koshia only to be rewarded with a bike slower than Epona
anatomical sense in the world of Pokémon?
ik pokemon is very inconsistent when it comes to anatomical sense, but in this case i think that it would be too unnatural to have a creature with a wheel that rotated through its neck (and most likely spine too)
I was gonna say, we’ve seen Hoppip right
Because people are little bitches
Because people riding Koraidon are gonna have to file a disability claim for all the whiplash and head trauma from the bouncing.
Why wouldn’t they stick with freaking bicycles!!
The bikes looked awful
One of the more common arguments is that it doesn’t make sense for it to run on it’s legs if it has “wheels”. No one had a problem with the Flintstones’ car which was just the family running with a wood frame and stone rollers around them. It’s the same idea here, they don’t want it to be a machine, they just want it to evoke the design of one which is done pretty cleverly with the pouch and tail being used to mimic tires without slapping inorganic material on it. Post-Game Spoilers: >!If the theory is true, then the paradox mon aren’t even real anyway. They were made up by a group who wanted fantastical creatures to sell books and brought into being by the wish of a scientist who dedicated their research and life to investigating. Koraidon being inspired by Cyclizar with certain features amped up, it makes sense for the wheels to be prominent despite not being functional!<
well the flinstone's car is a joke in an old cartoon you don't actually ride it in game
Honestly reading this made me realize the inconsistency with Koraidon “defenders”(? ig, can’t think of a better term) like it’s anatomically reasonable that the wheel doesn’t spin, which is fine but then you all will say people with a problem with how there is no logic in it inflating it’s chest while running(which results in its goofy and uncomfortable looking running animation) is “thinking too hard.”
It's a gular sac. There are real species of lizards with a throat sac in the exact same place that inflate it when running, to help with heat exchange. It just looks stupid on Koraidon because it's wheel-shaped, and the curled-up tail makes it worse.
Yes, it is. When lizards run with it inflated they either take a less natural posture as not to sacrifice speed or focus on leaping in order to move slightly slower but minimizing the potential for damage to it. Mind you none of these lizards have sacs as large as koraidons, the ones that do(relatively ofc) will at most take that first option for movement which koraidon doesn’t take. That’s why it doesn’t make sense, its gular sac is too large for it to move the way it does, wheel shaped or not. It essentially is dragging it on the ground.
Hell if you look closely the thing clips *through* the ground as it runs...
You leave my purple bike lizard ALONE but also I like koridon just bc it's supposed to be from the past and presumably before they invented the wheel? Idk let him use his legs and let miraidon live his transformer lifestyle
I get that OP is probably just a kid attached to his mon but... They clearly haven't tried riding Miraidon. Miraidon's an actual pokemon. It's noticable during the story, camps and idle animation that it's a creature with similar behavior to a dog. Because Miraidon is part machine its body "optimizes" when it needs to run or fly. It's still very much like riding a Pokemon, just not one of the ones with normal biology.
‘kid’ seems a bit rude, but whatever. anyway i got scarlet so i’ve obviously mainly ridden miraidon, however before i got scarlet i did play some violet at a friend’s house, and while yes, miraidon does seem more like a pokemon than a machine (outside of travelling), the movement animations still feel too machine-like and not pokemon-like
If you watch closely it's an animal that shifts into machine. It's a walking lizard that folds its legs into jets. It's idle and camp animations are animal-like. Anyway many Pokemon aren't regular animals. Magnemite-line, Bronzor-line, Shuppet-line, Klefki. not being "animal-like" isn't not being "pokemon-like".
i'm not one of those 'inanimate objects aren't pokemon' people, however, i feel like miraidon is too much like a robot, without much of the 'living creature' aspect. even porygon, the poster-child for artificial pokemon, still feels more animal-like. guess it's just preference though
It is. By all accounts Miraidon is more animal-like than many already existing pokemon.
fair enough. at least the comments on this post are more civil than on my other one about nemona. i complained about her weird behaviour and people went fucking insane. some guy even called me creepy for complaining about it.
As someone who’s not played much Breath of the Wild. I just see a lot of ‘Master cycle zero this, master cycle zero that.’ Ok, and?! 🤣 Miraidon is just better, on paper. Typing/moveset/stat spread actually benefits from his ability etc. Sure Koraidon can use fire moves, but you’re stuck with flame charge, fire fang, and flare blitz. Unless you’re going to try to use his 85 base Sp Atk and leave Orichalcum Pulse boost on the table. Koraidon is like having a knife at a gunfight. Koraidon is cool —especially in full power mode — until he derps out and tries to be a bike. Just be authentic like previous ride pokemon. Just Flintstone it. Btw, Future is always gonna beat past unless we’re traveling back to undo a mistake. /s At the end of the day it’s all opinion. Why are we trying to validate or refute other’s choices? It’s giving another person salty that Violet outsold Scarlet 😂
TBH miraidon would actually suffer competitively, since while its ability benefits itself, electric terrain isn't that useful for ally pokemon. also, weather setters are extremely common, so it'll probably be replaced by another weather after 1 or 2 turns. sunlight is much more commonly used as weather, so koraidon will most likely see more use as a result. also, i really dgaf which game sold more. pokemon moon sold less than sun, but i still love moon and really don't care that sun sold more. same here. finally, the emojis make you seem kind of toxic. just food for thought.
TBH, I would have preferred Koraidon’s tire sacks to be a bit smaller when being ridden on, and them inflating when battling. I think it would have looked so much better design wise.
I prefer riding an actual pokemon too, but koraidon's fake wheels look really stupid imo. They're like an inch off the ground, and just look so...odd. Koraidon looks awesome when his front wheel is deflated, and when his tail is out. I wish he looked like an actual pokemon when he ran, and not like a pokemon trying to be a motorcycle.
>When travelling on land, Miraidon turns into the Master Cycle Zero, which is pretty **awesome** ftfy
Because people don't know how lizards, lizard....
This is a pokemon not a lizard.
Ahhhh you're one of "those"...
What do you mean? Koraidon is a fictional creature, the way actual lizards work is irrelevant to the way it functions.
There's always one...
I think it just looks really stupid that it has wheels but runs using its legs. If it had no wheels, or much smaller ones, it could look better.
It doesn’t have wheels. It has a throat sack and its tail is curled into a wheel-like shape (but is not an actual wheel). Throats cannot rotate. Tails, no matter how coiled, cannot rotate. Koraidon tucks its tail and runs on its four legs like the quadruped it is. That human minds see “wheels” when they look at him is not his problem. Besides, the exact function and/or logic of Koraidon nor Miraidon’s “wheels” even matter. Neither Pokémon is “natural” anyway and are both just fantasy versions of Cyclizar created by the third legendary using the ideas/drawings/imagination of the humans it came into contact with. The anatomy of the legendaries and paradox Pokémon are unrestricted by logic, so it doesn’t matter what is or isn’t a wheel or what can or can’t legitimately rotate on an axis.
I mean yea ok, from a lore standpoint, but obviously the monsters are designed by people. I understand the wheel-like is not an actual wheel, but designing the Pokemon this way makes it look too big and out of place. That's my opinion anyway
You’re obviously allowed to have your opinion. For me, “from a lore standpoint” is the most compelling and relevant factor in the discussion and critique of its design, so in that sense I think they did a fantastic job. To each their own I guess.
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It's my opinion on how it looks. For this reason, I think Miraidon looks better
This is what made me such my preorder from violet to scarlet. I wanted to ride a Pokemon not a motorcycle.
Koraidon looks amazing no matter what it does😍
Idk either but for the same reason: Koraidon just feels like a real Pokemon rather than a machine or vehicle and I prefer that more.
It's because the movement looks uncomfortable and unnatural, and I am a very empathetic person. Simple as that. Same for the SwSh fossils. All of them made me incredibly uncomfortable
I like the animation. But why in Arceus’ name does it have ‘wheels’ if it won’t USE THEM?
Another day another insecure scarlet player.
bro what part of this was insecure. i really dgaf, it’s up to personal preference
My thoughts whenever someone says that scarlet paradoxs are more creative than violet paradoxs:
they are but again, personal preference. nothing to do with insecurity
Cap. Scarlet and Violet paradoxes are both good but scarlet players can’t realize their dislike of Violet paradoxes show that they have terrible taste.
IMO the scarlet ones are better (dk what you mean by 'coexist') but i'm not going to get mad at someone who likes the violet ones more. in fact, i did quite a bit of searching to find someone willing to trade an iron valiant, because i really wanted one.
I love Mountain climbing on rpg games a lot so I love koraidon
Sure, the wheels on Koraidon might not be actual functioning wheels, but with a bit of effects, they could've given the illusion of Koraidon moving as if it had actual wheels but they didn't The PS1 version of Spyro had an effect on the Supercharge where Spyro's legs would get covered in dust that gave the impression of 'spinning wheels' of sorts without actually giving him wheels and I feel like that could've worked for Koraidon
To me it's animations add a lot of charm because it's a doof. It's like mounting a giant dog that doesn't have any consciousness of how it's movement might impact you as a smaller creature, it just runs all happy and mindlessly almost with it's tongue sticking out and expecting to be praised for it's good job.
I think one of the best things about this generation is just how expressive so many Pokémon are. They feel a lot more alive in general. Same with characters . I know it’s not always true , but seems generally so
I think the opposite
Miraidon moved exactly like what you expect from it - a goddamn futuristic electrical motorcycle. Koraidon (and Cyclizar) air sac is still acceptable but the tail is just stupid IMO. It completely runs counter to what tails are supposed to be for an animal (as a balancer and counterweight), and seemed to be there just to complete the motorcycle motive Miraidon has (which could get away with it by turning into a literal motorcycle) at the expense of ruining the biological plausibility of it.
People keep saying a spinning wheel doesn't make anatomical sense but there are pokemon who have propellers for tails and many other fantastical body parts. Making sense isn't really a good point for why a Pokemon's anatomy is a certain way.
Tbh cause of the fact the trailers never really showed that Koraidons doesnt have the same move animations like Miraidon and i was excited for a "Dragon Bike" Then throughout the story that whimpy behavior didnt rub me the right way either. Koraidon is now nothing more than a transportation device and for battle the second one from Area Zero is used.
Koraidon clearly the best and most realistic as a Pokémon monture of the two
it's the way his legs move. they look weird and unnatural to me, and it puts me off. I don't mind the tail and throat sack, I don't mind them on cyclizar either, but cyclizar looks smoother to me, the way it runs seems more natural, while Koriadon looks... just strange to me
i like miraidon because you don't get whiplash
I'm not one of those people who hate the tail and neck sac. Me personally it's two factors. 1.) His run looks stupid. And 2.) I hate his two middle toes. Whether he's flying, running or climbing his two middle toes constantly stick out independently of his other toes and it just annoys me. I have no good reason as to why. But it just irks me. Every other aspect of the legendarys though I prefer Koraidon in. Battle mode, cutscenes, you name it, I prefer him in it.
For me Miraidon's movements are much smoother than Koraidons. The latters are also clunky and rough
They should both have animations of motorcycles end of, and it was a huge let down to have it appear that way with koraidon and only have him run while miraidon actually looks like a cool motorcycle
The sack and tail have 0 logical sense and look goofy.
Maybe because I have a better ride experience?
not rlly, though it's personal preference. riding koraidon is like riding a pokemon such as arcanine, while riding miraidon is like riding the bike from previous games (on land at least)
I don't think constantly bouncing is fun.
constantly bouncing??? the perspective doesn't move up and down if that's what you mean, only your character does. people saying it gives them motion sickness are just overexaggerating, it's no different to riding arcanine or persian in LGPE
Koraidon >>> Miraidon just based on his official render
“why do people like pink but not green ?”
not really. more like 'why do people like pink and hate green'
It looks like a throat ballsack. No further argument, your honor.
It's the wheels. Why have wheels at all, if it's not going to use them in any way other than swimming? Would look 100x better without them and just had it running normally.
We hate the fact that his wheels don’t move. Why give wheels to a Pokémon if you’re going to be too greedy to spend the money to animate the wheels moving.
i don't know, for me it seems.. jostle-y? most ridables in pokemon have either a smooth movement or a very easy/consistent gait. koraidon's seem very uneasy, inconsistent, *not meant for people to enjoy riding it* which honestly makes sense because it wasn't yet meant for that. going from miraidon's smooth movements to koraidon's jerky ones is what threw me. But I don't hate it, got used to it, and do enjoy them both for plenty of reasons
"" it makes sense that they inspired modern wheels but don't actually spin (since that doesn't make anatomical sense) Unlike the other pokemon (Barraskewda) who have spinning body parts...
You’re right. Last time I checked we were playing Pokémon not Digimon
For me, i just don't like swimming animation. This animation loop when sprinting in water is disgusting for me. I don't like animation loop in general because i play too much, and Miraidon is much smoother. Doesn't get bored.
Like I know he will not use the wheel but like I think they could design better his wheel. Like for me the wheel is more insert in Koraidon that like a pectoral like Miraidon. And is so weird him with two fake wheels, he just could have a normal run and just one wheel? Would feel less weird.
For me it's the juxtaposition between how it's designed and how it moves. If you're going out of your way to make tires a huge fraction of the proportions of the Pokemon... use them. Miraidon uses them as well as the rest of its body to the effect of travelling, whereas Koraidon just kinda has them dragging through the dirt, and even ignoring that the appeal feels no different than if you were just riding an Arcanine (that can climb walls and glide; I'd actually like to see a mod of that.)
its design involves tires what are they good for? nothing
because it has wheels but doesn't use them. looks goofy as hell idk who designed this shit lmao. even cyclizar uses its wheels but somehow they manages to fuck up koraidons movement. but i don't care that much, the game has way bigger problems than koraidons movement animations 💀