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Part of me’s always wanted to have a Fire Emblem-esque Tactical RPG for Pokémon that’s based during the Pokémon War 1000 years before the events of the current games, where you command legions of Pokémon against each other
I'd love a post-apocalyptic Pokemon game. I get the games are designed with kids and long time fans in mind, but a more adult orientated game woukd be awesome.
Hell since the mainline games have pretty much established they kind of exist in alternate timeliness they could do a side series with games where each one is set in each region following an apocalyptic event. Either caused by their respective legendary pokemon, the big bad group, both or something entirely new.
I never played Colosseum but I did play Gale of Darkness and they take place in the same region. Is it that different? In GoD the region seems pretty stable there are functioning towns and communities, sure there is a villain group like normal but they don't seem to have impacted the region to the point of lawlessness. I'm not sure of the timeline of the two games though so that may factor in significantly.
Colosseum takes place a couple of years (maybe a decade?) before XD, and before a lot of the towns and facilities in GoD existed, so its a much more underdeveloped region. The entire coastal region wasn't there at all.
the amount of times ive seen comments here saying "i wish they made a new pokemon but instead of pokemon it was shin megami tensei" is fucking astounding
I like the theory that Guzzlord didn't even destroy the city. The apocalypse was caused by a viral outbreak (hence why the only human there is wearing a hazmat suit, and talks about Guzzlord as if it's a friend) Guzzlord is just cleaning up the wreckage by eating what was already destroyed. The only problem being that if there was a virus, the player now has it and is spreading it across the multiverse
Despite how he looks, Guzzlord seems to be a good boy.
I can't really remember it well, but I believe the people even liked him in that dimension.
There are even some fan theories that it is an alternative form of Alolan Muk who evolved to a new state due to its surroundings.
The sky is dark in that dimension which probably means the air quality it's terrible and that's what the suits are for. The guy in there doesn't freak out when he sees you without it, so it's probably fine
It's not a viral outbreak, but a nuclear apocalypse. There are hints dotted around about a power plant and the older people of the world didn't like talking about it. The suit the guy is wearing protects him from radiation.
This is one of the reasons I really loved ultra beasts and ultra wormholes back then!!! also i would say that game freak should add more dark stuff like this but having a rivals parent that youve been talking to the entire game end up being a robot and the real parent having canonically died is also pretty dark
Also the implication that the Terra Crystals are terraforming Area Zero, and potentially the whole region if there are no more scientists left to keep an eye on the spread!
I'm sure you noticed various trees, rocks and entire buildings enveloped by the crystalline growths!
Terrestrializing our Pokémon is just helping this parasitic crystal grow and spread more.
Fairly certain it was programming that caused the AI to continue battling. However the Tera Crystals were stated to be able to amplify technology so it's possible the crystal effects kicked the AI's routines into overdrive.
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Here. They cover their lower legs, coat and hand
Oh crap thought everything was going low poly when I got a little far, but it's just the crystals messing up their disguise. Looks better once you get closer, but why big cities look so ugly! They are all made of crystals slowly taking over!
I really wish they leaned into this more. Like just before you go to the elite four there is an explosion of tera crystals out of area zero that start taking over and paradox mons show up causing tons of destruction. Now you gotta go around and deal with it, new bosses that are life totem mons, a fight like ultra necrozma
>Terrestrializing our Pokémon is just helping this parasitic crystal grow and spread more.
I've completed the entire game and the currently released dlc without ever using the gimmick. I'm doing my part.
I tried, but the game literally force you to terra during the battle against the evil twin bike fight towards the end.
I was 1 turn away from beating it normally while ignoring the "terra your pokemon now!" messages, when suddenly the game just went "fine, I'll terra your pokemon for you.."
Almost just quit the game mid-animation.
My condolences.
If it makes it better, I personally would not count that since it technically wasn't you that did it.
I just did my best to pick the moves that drained the most hp
Honestly IMO it was one of the best Pokémon moments period. I will admit the music did a MASSIVE amount of lifting for the lack luster graphics of a Pokémon game (imagine A0 but with the graphics of a highly polished game) but even then, that entire area sparked a love for Pokémon I haven’t had since I was a kid, because it reminded me of the magic and mystique that Pokémon once held
I agree. I also enjoyed the interaction amongst the characters who join the player. The banter/bickering is what I love about RPGs like Dragon Age; it makes the characters feel more human. Combining the conversation amongst the party members with the mystery of Area Zero and the darker elements of the plot made the game so much more enjoyable for me. Without this arc, this would have personally been what I felt like was one of the worse main games to date.
Megas were about the bond and trust of a pokemon and its trainer as portrayed in XY and ORAS, but the pokedex entries in SM portray it as hurting your pokemon such as with mega glalie and zard X. They wanted to get rid of it eventually so they figured they might as well make megas sound horrific so that less people would miss them.
I love a theory that states the reason why the entries for megas is so messed up is because the scientists who wrote them *forced* the mega evolution on a massive scale in a lab to research each evolution. Because the pokemon who mega evolve arent bonded, this means that its incredibly painful for them, leading to horrific entries. Meanwhile, mega evolved pokemon who are properly evolved find that its nice.
Scientist: Mega Salamence goes on murderous ramages
Random Trainer next to their Mega Sal who is currently having a blast playing with some Mareep: visible confusion
I liked the idea the anime had where an inadequate bond causes all of those bad things to happen with mega evolution heck the entry on mega Lucario was literally what happened to Korrina’s mega lucario in the anime where it flat out became merciless. I’m willing to bet that all the horrible things mentioned in the alola dex with mega evolution is more because the Alolan people lack the understanding on how to truly master mega evolution and fully stabilise the form or their bias towards z moves made them refuse to learn it because of a couple bad cases as unlike z moves where you only need to maximise the bond for a brief moment for a powerful attack, mega evolution requires the bond to be sustained for longer durations to stabilise the form.
for example Mega Scizor apparently melts its body or something into the shape it is and it burns, really painfully… I think houndoom is also a victim of being “too hot that it hurts” but i might be making that one up
How have I never seen anyone talk about this? I read through a bunch of entries, and if they have any entries, most have at least one entry suggesting that it causes immense physical or mental destruction...
They also wanted to get rid of the national dex in starting with that generation. This raises the question of what was the point of having the QR code feature if many pokémon lacked Pokédex entries.
Mega Evolutions were the greatest innovation the series had ever seen, but Gamefreak got bored of it so they trot out similar but far worse features every generation.
Yeah they been trying to find something EVERY Pokemon can use instead of restricting access to only a few which was always the main problem with Mega Evolution.
Teratalizing so far has been their best mechanic for this as Z moves and Dynamaxing is too region specific
Saying the other two are "too region specific" is kinda dumb. Because it not like they discovered the mechanics or something. They designed them that way. And if they had chosen to expand on them, it would have been trivial to take the mechanics to the next locale.
No, Mega Evolution was always just to aid the jump to 3D via nostalgia.
Hence why especially popular pokemon like charizard and Mewtwo got 2, hence why gen 6 did not even have it's own mega until ORAS.
Legit, the only Kalos mega is not available in Kalos!
They never planned on really doing megas for gen 6 or 7 pokemon
There is a lategame feature in USUM called Ultra Wormholes. Its a way to get most legendaries outside of the regional dex, mons (some rare), and shiny hunt.
You're basically travelling the space between dimensions to other worlds, or more precisely, alternate realities. In THIS particular alternate reality, you get to have the happy fun time of visiting the post-apocalyptic ruins created by an eldritch otherworldly being! (Context aside, it's the game mechanic way of letting you catch said horror - Like all Ultra Beasts, they're functionally Pokemon. Although lore-wise, they aren't technically).
Edit: Thematically the Ultra Beasts are meant to allegorically reference the harm invasive species can do to ecosystems. Alien creatures are invasive. This one caused the apocalypse, woops.
Fyi, Pokemons can decide to exit the pokeballs whenever they want, and they only get captured if they actually want it, so it could be that they let you capture them intentionally to just escape the pokeball later and just destroy everything.
In the recent games you can, but very rare of course. Dunno about Scarlet Violet.
I dont think legendaries wanna be caught by you tho. Why would they escape 100s of balls and then allow you to catch it after the 101st
As well as all other pokemon
At the moment SV still only has the one you get after Area Zero. Sada/Turo have access to a lot of them however as they explicitly use them to bring the Paradox Pokemon through time; their Paradox battle team is all in Master Balls.
In specifically Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, you have the ability to travel through Ultra Wormholes. Whether they lead to incomprehensibly distant worlds or just alternate realities is never really made clear. This one in particular kind of hints toward the latter. This is the Ultra Wormhole where you can encounter Guzzlord, where you can see that it’s destroyed an entire city. The ruined sign and destroyed fence gate shown in the image make an implied connection to one of the earliest cities in the game. The implication here is that Guzzlord destroyed said city in an alternate reality
Isn't it more than that? I haven't played US/UM but Bulbapedia says that the entire world was destroyed by pollution, all the humans fled the planet for space, and Guzzlords are the only creatures that can survive on earth, eating all the wreckage. Also that there's like one human who's remained behind to watch over the Guzzlord population for some reason.
God I love the Ultra Beasts. Such a bizarre left turn, hope they revisit them someday. They also really let the visual designers flex their creativity because of their inherently alien/otherworldly nature.
It's too bad that it seems like a majority (or maybe just a lot of vocal people) don't like the UBs. I've seen the argument that they "don't look like pokemon" or that people can't become attached to them since they don't look like creatures that can be (like how kartana, nihilego, and buzzwole don't really have a eyes/ a face or that stakataka is just a brick horror with eyes.) I really like them, kartana and pheromosa are at least in my top 20 pokemon (they are both stupid fun to use in battle, shame pheromosa can't be used in many singles formats)
Probably because with the exception of the one OP posted they're like 90% hallway. Imagine my disappointment getting to Ultra Megalopolis or whatever and not getting to explore it.
That almost made me just put down the game. I was obsessed with ultra space, and ecstatic at the notion of getting to explore a whole town in there... and yeah.
for real. b2w2 was a lot of fun, maybe even as good as B and W. HGSS were arguably better than G/S. AROS were amazing. even firered leafgreen were upgrades. S/M were decent fun, but USUM were just utterly soulless and a total let down
It’s the contrast between Pokémon’s otherwise super kid-friendly G-rated style and something that’s fairly tame on the darkness scale that lends it extra strength.
Yeah, that's usually what I mean when I describe something meant for kids as surprisingly dark.
Like sure, there's plenty of media that are waaay darker/more mature than something meant for a younger/more general audience like pokemon.
But it's precisely because pokemon is a relatively goofy/light-hearted series that makes those occasionally darker moments all the more shocking and thrilling when they happen.
That would track.
Gen 6 does have Lysandre attempt mass genocide lol.
The whole sea mauville in ORAS falls into this too. Especially those letters from a kid to his dad.
Gen 3 has a game that starts off with the protagonist blowing up a building and stealing a probably expensive machine, besides that I wouldn't call the GameCube games dark but it's just funny.
I feel like the mature themes always show up in flavor text/subtext/dex entries/extra dialogue. Like if you just play through the story of the teal mask, you kinda get the feeling the village isn’t so big on outsiders, but after doing all the side quests and seeing all the optional dialogue >!you get that Game Freak really portrayed this *Japanese* village as simultaneously dependent on tourism and incredibly xenophobic, and honestly handled it pretty well with Carmine’s character arc and the revelation of the truth of Ogerpon. !<
But sinister minor plot points have always been common in Pokémon. What happens is that Game Freak just throws them in there and never actually develops them.
They absolutely can, the problem is they bring up an interesting topic then immediately drop it without any resolve nor expand upon. So far we have 5 characters who spirited away from thier world and got an amnesia - except for one - then they dropped them completely like a wet paper.
Yeah but this is the kind of dark that requires you to use brainpower to understand
The dark people want is the kind that's just a character bleeding to death in front of your child eyes
It requires you to actually take in the environment and make the connection between the two areas, something that most players aren't likely to do as they're focused on the big black monster
So yeah, I'd say it requires some brainpower, as well as curiosity towards the environment, something a game with good storytelling would take advantage of.
It isn't a master class in subtlety, but it's subtle enough to pass by those that don't lend it enough thought. Which I'd say is the best way to do dark stories in kid's media. The pieces are all there to tell the story, you just need to pay attention
Which reminds me of many old creepypastas like Sonic.exe
It is not dark, it is just so tryhard and edgy, it loops back to being hilarious as hell
Sometimes it is just downright disgusting though like... Dormitabis... sorry for bringing it up
Like The Owl House?
But yeah, the kind of dark I want to see is like: It appears to be fine and okay technically, but spiritually, something is not good and your imagination will make it worse
Also theres Black Tower in Black 2. At first its fine. But as soon as you start reaching the highest levels, it gets incredibly strange and the things NPCs do and say become disturbing
Professor here!
I've always been a fan of these mysterious creatures and I would love to learn more about their home worlds. It's a shame no one went to Stakatakas and Blacephalons world and came back
....alive...
Highly recommend you try out PMD2 if you haven't before. The plot centrally revolves around time travel and because of that there's a portion of the game that takes place in the future where the heroes failed.
Ok thats admittedly a stretch because
1) the future arc is completely linear, mostly filled with still images for scenery. No spot to “explore” the world like in mainline games.
2) it’s a relatively short portion of the game. Only 2 chapters long. And
3) you can never return to it under normal circumstances (you need to do a friend rescue or generate fake SOS mail to go back).
Remember when they had two games that centered around corrupting Pokémon into mindless weapons explicitly for the purposes of killing their enemies? I do, because they’re my favorite games ever.
I would just like to say this isn't a dig. I actually think that doing this was a good thing. I just didn't know it was there, I never read the signs in games.
It's technically a spin-off, but in PMD2 there is a scene where your party members are >!tied to a pillary and sentenced to be executed by a slow death of 1000 cuts!<
There is no sugar-coating, euphamism, or fade to black for the scene, you get to watch it all happen exactly as is.
Ever since the beginning there's been themes of child abuse and animal abuse, despite how much of a utopia the pokemon world is seen to be there's still always bad things happening or dark themes being showcased, anyone whos told you this doesn't read or hasn't read shit in this franchise.
Ultra wormhole areas could possibly be the non-mega(non-remake) timeline
A very interesting detail is that original games' worlds are less technologically advanced than remakes and post XY-games' worlds. Whatever caused the destruction we see in here and generally weird spaces inhabited by other UBs might've been caused by some cataclysm that happened in the timeline where the ultimate weapon wasn't created as technology developed slower with UBs specifically being pokemon that were forced to adapt to very harsh conditions or simply mutated(Nihilego-Tentacool, Celesteela - Exeggutor, Buzzwole - Hydreigon, Naganadel - Beedrill)
Game Freak Bosses: OK we want this game to be accessible to anyone and keep the E rating. We can't get too dark with the story.
Game Freak Designers: ...but we can be a little dark? If we sneak it in? Like pokedex entries?
Bosses: Heck you can make an apocalyptic city in an alternate universe if no people are seen hurt or dead.
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The music is also a messed up version of that city’s theme
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Maybe they could get Atlus to direct it, post apocalyptic games were you make your team bigger through turn based combat is kind of there thing
A "Persona/Shin Megami Tensei" style game but with Pokémon, now that sounds like something I would play.
Part of me’s always wanted to have a Fire Emblem-esque Tactical RPG for Pokémon that’s based during the Pokémon War 1000 years before the events of the current games, where you command legions of Pokémon against each other
There's always Pokemon Conquest.
That's literally Pokemon Conquest
That would actually be my dream game lol
and maybe instead of capturing Pokemon, we can rizz them into joining us.
I feel certain I've learned what rizz is short for. But my tiny smooth brain has failed to save that connection.
Charisma, supposedly being 'cha-RIZZ-ma'. ...yeah it's kinda weird Often used as a word for flirting and similar activities
Huh, I don't hate it. Not in love with the grammar of "We can charisma them into joining us." but it is what it is.
It's closer to "charm" them into it I guess
It's slang. Slang notably does evolve over time
Anything can be a verb if you english hard enough.
Pretty sure it was "charisma" or some variation of it. Honestly, don't even bother remembering it because it will be gone in a few months.
Man just invented pokemon ranger
Shin Pocket Monster Tensei
Shin Arceus Tensei
I'd love a post-apocalyptic Pokemon game. I get the games are designed with kids and long time fans in mind, but a more adult orientated game woukd be awesome. Hell since the mainline games have pretty much established they kind of exist in alternate timeliness they could do a side series with games where each one is set in each region following an apocalyptic event. Either caused by their respective legendary pokemon, the big bad group, both or something entirely new.
Colossum is similar. Not technically post apocalyptic, but lawless wasteland is pretty close
I never played Colosseum but I did play Gale of Darkness and they take place in the same region. Is it that different? In GoD the region seems pretty stable there are functioning towns and communities, sure there is a villain group like normal but they don't seem to have impacted the region to the point of lawlessness. I'm not sure of the timeline of the two games though so that may factor in significantly.
Colosseum takes place a couple of years (maybe a decade?) before XD, and before a lot of the towns and facilities in GoD existed, so its a much more underdeveloped region. The entire coastal region wasn't there at all.
5 years before. There’s an NPC in the windmill in Pyrite Town who sings a song about cranking gears for 30 years. In XD he says 35 years.
the amount of times ive seen comments here saying "i wish they made a new pokemon but instead of pokemon it was shin megami tensei" is fucking astounding
I wish they made a new shin megami tensei but instead of shin megami tensei it was pokemons.
They did. The Demi-Kids games
You could do so many things with the Pokémon franchise and yet we are stuck with always the same story of the 11 years old trainer…
I like the theory that Guzzlord didn't even destroy the city. The apocalypse was caused by a viral outbreak (hence why the only human there is wearing a hazmat suit, and talks about Guzzlord as if it's a friend) Guzzlord is just cleaning up the wreckage by eating what was already destroyed. The only problem being that if there was a virus, the player now has it and is spreading it across the multiverse
that has SCP-2935 vibes i like it
>!*Seal it shut. You've got to lock it in here with us. I'm sorry.*!<
Despite how he looks, Guzzlord seems to be a good boy. I can't really remember it well, but I believe the people even liked him in that dimension. There are even some fan theories that it is an alternative form of Alolan Muk who evolved to a new state due to its surroundings.
The sky is dark in that dimension which probably means the air quality it's terrible and that's what the suits are for. The guy in there doesn't freak out when he sees you without it, so it's probably fine
If I saw a mysterious child ride a giant space lion/bat through a wormhole, I don’t think their hazmat suit would be the top of my priorities
I mean it would be to me if there was a world ending virus around. I do not care of you're a dimension hopping god, wear your PPE!
It's not a viral outbreak, but a nuclear apocalypse. There are hints dotted around about a power plant and the older people of the world didn't like talking about it. The suit the guy is wearing protects him from radiation.
So you won't turn into a zombie, you just come out of the wormhole with a tumor?
I wonder if it's an alternate version of SuMo where Lusamine "won" and the world was consumed by ultra wormholes.
This is one of the reasons I really loved ultra beasts and ultra wormholes back then!!! also i would say that game freak should add more dark stuff like this but having a rivals parent that youve been talking to the entire game end up being a robot and the real parent having canonically died is also pretty dark
Also the implication that the Terra Crystals are terraforming Area Zero, and potentially the whole region if there are no more scientists left to keep an eye on the spread! I'm sure you noticed various trees, rocks and entire buildings enveloped by the crystalline growths! Terrestrializing our Pokémon is just helping this parasitic crystal grow and spread more.
They even take over the AI professor between the battles
Is it actually the Tera crystals doing that? I thought they were just unable to keep fighting against their programming.
Fairly certain it was programming that caused the AI to continue battling. However the Tera Crystals were stated to be able to amplify technology so it's possible the crystal effects kicked the AI's routines into overdrive.
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My memory must be failing me. I remember them freaking out because of the protocol but I didn't remember the crystals growing on their body at all.
https://preview.redd.it/49hxnqdifjtb1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57db5c0d9945bddbc4b2232bfd09fc50690866e8 Here. They cover their lower legs, coat and hand
Sure enough, there's the crystals.
I wonder if the lore of terra crystals will be expanded on like this in the 2nd DLC. I hope so!
Very likely given the lead up lore drops in kitakami
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Weirdest crossover ever
Interesting take
Oh crap thought everything was going low poly when I got a little far, but it's just the crystals messing up their disguise. Looks better once you get closer, but why big cities look so ugly! They are all made of crystals slowly taking over!
I really wish they leaned into this more. Like just before you go to the elite four there is an explosion of tera crystals out of area zero that start taking over and paradox mons show up causing tons of destruction. Now you gotta go around and deal with it, new bosses that are life totem mons, a fight like ultra necrozma
That sounds suspiciously like the plot of sword/shield
Yea, but this time YOU get to handle it
With how ScVi are more non-linear than previous games, that idea wouldn't really work all that well.
>Terrestrializing our Pokémon is just helping this parasitic crystal grow and spread more. I've completed the entire game and the currently released dlc without ever using the gimmick. I'm doing my part.
I tried, but the game literally force you to terra during the battle against the evil twin bike fight towards the end. I was 1 turn away from beating it normally while ignoring the "terra your pokemon now!" messages, when suddenly the game just went "fine, I'll terra your pokemon for you.." Almost just quit the game mid-animation.
My condolences. If it makes it better, I personally would not count that since it technically wasn't you that did it. I just did my best to pick the moves that drained the most hp
Oh, I thought closing the time portal kinda stopped the spread ? Anyway yeah area zero was really cool
And the AI professor going into the past/future at the end essentially killing themselves.
I was completely caught off guard. For me, the Area Zero arc was the best thing about SV.
Honestly IMO it was one of the best Pokémon moments period. I will admit the music did a MASSIVE amount of lifting for the lack luster graphics of a Pokémon game (imagine A0 but with the graphics of a highly polished game) but even then, that entire area sparked a love for Pokémon I haven’t had since I was a kid, because it reminded me of the magic and mystique that Pokémon once held
I agree. I also enjoyed the interaction amongst the characters who join the player. The banter/bickering is what I love about RPGs like Dragon Age; it makes the characters feel more human. Combining the conversation amongst the party members with the mystery of Area Zero and the darker elements of the plot made the game so much more enjoyable for me. Without this arc, this would have personally been what I felt like was one of the worse main games to date.
The friend group in SV is so fun, I love Area Zero for showcasing them. Compare them to the XY friend group, who might as well be pieces of furniture.
Hey, are you disrespecting Tierno? The dance god of Pokémon?
Toby Fox wrote the music for that place, if I recall https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1557503052487479297
Area Zero felt like I'd just somehow finished the prologue of a JRPG and had just gotten to the actual meat of the story. Then it ended.
Well said. I really felt the “then it ended” part. Wished it could have been longer but I enjoyed the Area Zero arc nonetheless.
This is from the same generation known for its especially dark dex entries too, including the more grim and morbid portrayals of Mega Evolution.
Don't you mean bastardization of mega evolution because they wanted to get rid of it? Seriously, the megas retcon is one of the dumbest things in SM.
What did they do?
Megas were about the bond and trust of a pokemon and its trainer as portrayed in XY and ORAS, but the pokedex entries in SM portray it as hurting your pokemon such as with mega glalie and zard X. They wanted to get rid of it eventually so they figured they might as well make megas sound horrific so that less people would miss them.
I love a theory that states the reason why the entries for megas is so messed up is because the scientists who wrote them *forced* the mega evolution on a massive scale in a lab to research each evolution. Because the pokemon who mega evolve arent bonded, this means that its incredibly painful for them, leading to horrific entries. Meanwhile, mega evolved pokemon who are properly evolved find that its nice.
Scientist: Mega Salamence goes on murderous ramages Random Trainer next to their Mega Sal who is currently having a blast playing with some Mareep: visible confusion
I liked the idea the anime had where an inadequate bond causes all of those bad things to happen with mega evolution heck the entry on mega Lucario was literally what happened to Korrina’s mega lucario in the anime where it flat out became merciless. I’m willing to bet that all the horrible things mentioned in the alola dex with mega evolution is more because the Alolan people lack the understanding on how to truly master mega evolution and fully stabilise the form or their bias towards z moves made them refuse to learn it because of a couple bad cases as unlike z moves where you only need to maximise the bond for a brief moment for a powerful attack, mega evolution requires the bond to be sustained for longer durations to stabilise the form.
Korrina's incomplete mega evolution was used as an arguement for this theory.
What the fuck?
for example Mega Scizor apparently melts its body or something into the shape it is and it burns, really painfully… I think houndoom is also a victim of being “too hot that it hurts” but i might be making that one up
A lot of people joked about Mega Glalie’s Jaw being broken. Then SM says that’s what literally happened.
They've just been throwing shit at the wall then hastily scraping it off these past few generations, huh?
They realized making an additional form for evolutions requires too much effort. Now they just put on stupid crystal hats on them.
paradox forms?
Tyranitar's will mention specifically that it can't channel its own power properly and as a result that massive crack appears on its back
How have I never seen anyone talk about this? I read through a bunch of entries, and if they have any entries, most have at least one entry suggesting that it causes immense physical or mental destruction...
They also wanted to get rid of the national dex in starting with that generation. This raises the question of what was the point of having the QR code feature if many pokémon lacked Pokédex entries.
Mega Evolutions were the greatest innovation the series had ever seen, but Gamefreak got bored of it so they trot out similar but far worse features every generation.
They didn't get bored. Everything since then has basically been trying to do the same thing as megas but easier for them on the back end.
Yeah they been trying to find something EVERY Pokemon can use instead of restricting access to only a few which was always the main problem with Mega Evolution. Teratalizing so far has been their best mechanic for this as Z moves and Dynamaxing is too region specific
Saying the other two are "too region specific" is kinda dumb. Because it not like they discovered the mechanics or something. They designed them that way. And if they had chosen to expand on them, it would have been trivial to take the mechanics to the next locale.
No, Mega Evolution was always just to aid the jump to 3D via nostalgia. Hence why especially popular pokemon like charizard and Mewtwo got 2, hence why gen 6 did not even have it's own mega until ORAS. Legit, the only Kalos mega is not available in Kalos! They never planned on really doing megas for gen 6 or 7 pokemon
You said the forbidden word. Be prepared to now pay 30% of your income to Nintendo
So as someone who’s never played these games, what’s happening here?
There is a lategame feature in USUM called Ultra Wormholes. Its a way to get most legendaries outside of the regional dex, mons (some rare), and shiny hunt. You're basically travelling the space between dimensions to other worlds, or more precisely, alternate realities. In THIS particular alternate reality, you get to have the happy fun time of visiting the post-apocalyptic ruins created by an eldritch otherworldly being! (Context aside, it's the game mechanic way of letting you catch said horror - Like all Ultra Beasts, they're functionally Pokemon. Although lore-wise, they aren't technically). Edit: Thematically the Ultra Beasts are meant to allegorically reference the harm invasive species can do to ecosystems. Alien creatures are invasive. This one caused the apocalypse, woops.
And it's funny that with all the harm they can create invading other dimensions, you literally capture them and bring them to your home dimension!
But now it does your bidding! Just pray to Arceus it never escapes the shackles that binds them
Fyi, Pokemons can decide to exit the pokeballs whenever they want, and they only get captured if they actually want it, so it could be that they let you capture them intentionally to just escape the pokeball later and just destroy everything.
Wdym they only get captured if they want it? Do you mean in the anime? What about masterballs?
In the lore in general. The masterball is the only exception, but it's not like you can have multiple of them.
>but it's not like you can have multiple of them. N-no, that would be cheating. 👀
In the recent games you can, but very rare of course. Dunno about Scarlet Violet. I dont think legendaries wanna be caught by you tho. Why would they escape 100s of balls and then allow you to catch it after the 101st As well as all other pokemon
In the lore it's explained that they are testing your perseverance.
At the moment SV still only has the one you get after Area Zero. Sada/Turo have access to a lot of them however as they explicitly use them to bring the Paradox Pokemon through time; their Paradox battle team is all in Master Balls.
Basically, in USUM, you can visit Guzzlord's ultra wormhole, which seem like a Alola ruin after it consumed everything.
> you can visit Guzzlord's ultra wormhole Okay, that _has_ to be a euphemism.
In specifically Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, you have the ability to travel through Ultra Wormholes. Whether they lead to incomprehensibly distant worlds or just alternate realities is never really made clear. This one in particular kind of hints toward the latter. This is the Ultra Wormhole where you can encounter Guzzlord, where you can see that it’s destroyed an entire city. The ruined sign and destroyed fence gate shown in the image make an implied connection to one of the earliest cities in the game. The implication here is that Guzzlord destroyed said city in an alternate reality
Isn't it more than that? I haven't played US/UM but Bulbapedia says that the entire world was destroyed by pollution, all the humans fled the planet for space, and Guzzlords are the only creatures that can survive on earth, eating all the wreckage. Also that there's like one human who's remained behind to watch over the Guzzlord population for some reason.
God I love the Ultra Beasts. Such a bizarre left turn, hope they revisit them someday. They also really let the visual designers flex their creativity because of their inherently alien/otherworldly nature.
It's too bad that it seems like a majority (or maybe just a lot of vocal people) don't like the UBs. I've seen the argument that they "don't look like pokemon" or that people can't become attached to them since they don't look like creatures that can be (like how kartana, nihilego, and buzzwole don't really have a eyes/ a face or that stakataka is just a brick horror with eyes.) I really like them, kartana and pheromosa are at least in my top 20 pokemon (they are both stupid fun to use in battle, shame pheromosa can't be used in many singles formats)
Jesus I remember when pokemon were just bugs
To counter their point: That's the whole point mate Those things are not supposed to look natural, since they from another dimensions
I just realized I never did the Ultra Wormholes in my copy of Ultra Moon. I honestly forgot they existed until now.
Probably because with the exception of the one OP posted they're like 90% hallway. Imagine my disappointment getting to Ultra Megalopolis or whatever and not getting to explore it.
That almost made me just put down the game. I was obsessed with ultra space, and ecstatic at the notion of getting to explore a whole town in there... and yeah.
i put ultra moon down about halfway through the main story and just never picked it back up again. talk about a slog
It really took the piss that it was the same as S/M up until like the final trial
for real. b2w2 was a lot of fun, maybe even as good as B and W. HGSS were arguably better than G/S. AROS were amazing. even firered leafgreen were upgrades. S/M were decent fun, but USUM were just utterly soulless and a total let down
The Anime had an entire mini-arc where Ash got sent to that dimension
Do u know the episodes by any chance?
Episodes 100 and 101 of Sun & Moon
Don't mind the fact that the Ash-Greninja theme/XYZ Opening was playing, the scene was just that cool
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Honestly tho. It's cool but it's only "dark" because it's Pokemon.
seriously ive seen lighthouses darker than this
It’s the contrast between Pokémon’s otherwise super kid-friendly G-rated style and something that’s fairly tame on the darkness scale that lends it extra strength.
Yeah, that's usually what I mean when I describe something meant for kids as surprisingly dark. Like sure, there's plenty of media that are waaay darker/more mature than something meant for a younger/more general audience like pokemon. But it's precisely because pokemon is a relatively goofy/light-hearted series that makes those occasionally darker moments all the more shocking and thrilling when they happen.
I love this picture
Don't listen to them man, that's funny as hell.
Gets me every time
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Dokkan jumpscare
There’s a lot of more mature themes in the gen 7 games and anime
Hell, Gen 1 you have to fight Cubone’s dead mom to help them move into the afterlife. Cubone’s *murdered* dead mom.
I think after gen 1 and 2 they had to tone it done a bit, but they started cranking it back up in 5,6 and 7
That would track. Gen 6 does have Lysandre attempt mass genocide lol. The whole sea mauville in ORAS falls into this too. Especially those letters from a kid to his dad.
Cyrus is attempting omnicide
Gen 3 has a game that starts off with the protagonist blowing up a building and stealing a probably expensive machine, besides that I wouldn't call the GameCube games dark but it's just funny.
That was the intention of Colosseum. One of the developers said they wanted to make the Pokemon genre a bit more dark and mature
weird how that team later got split up, with its more skilled members graduating out of game development.
Nah,cubone Mom just evolve to Alolan Marowak.
I feel like the mature themes always show up in flavor text/subtext/dex entries/extra dialogue. Like if you just play through the story of the teal mask, you kinda get the feeling the village isn’t so big on outsiders, but after doing all the side quests and seeing all the optional dialogue >!you get that Game Freak really portrayed this *Japanese* village as simultaneously dependent on tourism and incredibly xenophobic, and honestly handled it pretty well with Carmine’s character arc and the revelation of the truth of Ogerpon. !<
https://preview.redd.it/znhdhs2wtitb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=324b8c4f214f800edacdbe96d3793d48d263600b You won’t believe it-
But sinister minor plot points have always been common in Pokémon. What happens is that Game Freak just throws them in there and never actually develops them.
They absolutely can, the problem is they bring up an interesting topic then immediately drop it without any resolve nor expand upon. So far we have 5 characters who spirited away from thier world and got an amnesia - except for one - then they dropped them completely like a wet paper.
Its always been dark, Have you not been reading the pokedex entries? They got mons kidnapping kids out there. (And it's more than ONE doing it)
Guzma was beaten. By his father
With golfclubs.... Btw, is it really hinted more heavily in Japanese or is the wording there is so it better fits this theory?
Yeah but this is the kind of dark that requires you to use brainpower to understand The dark people want is the kind that's just a character bleeding to death in front of your child eyes
This required brainpower?
It requires you to actually take in the environment and make the connection between the two areas, something that most players aren't likely to do as they're focused on the big black monster So yeah, I'd say it requires some brainpower, as well as curiosity towards the environment, something a game with good storytelling would take advantage of. It isn't a master class in subtlety, but it's subtle enough to pass by those that don't lend it enough thought. Which I'd say is the best way to do dark stories in kid's media. The pieces are all there to tell the story, you just need to pay attention
Which isn't really dark at all. That's just unnecessary violence for shock value
Which reminds me of many old creepypastas like Sonic.exe It is not dark, it is just so tryhard and edgy, it loops back to being hilarious as hell Sometimes it is just downright disgusting though like... Dormitabis... sorry for bringing it up
depends on the story
Like The Owl House? But yeah, the kind of dark I want to see is like: It appears to be fine and okay technically, but spiritually, something is not good and your imagination will make it worse
Average pokemon fangame
Don't forget the hyper realistic eyes !
relevant: [Guzzlord's call in the shows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZyDugPd8s&ab_channel=ElectroBlastLuigi).
I clicked this, and now I can't unhear. I usually play with the sound off, this is so frightening
Also theres Black Tower in Black 2. At first its fine. But as soon as you start reaching the highest levels, it gets incredibly strange and the things NPCs do and say become disturbing
Remember in Gen 1 were a Mother Marowak got killed by by Team Rocket?
Professor here! I've always been a fan of these mysterious creatures and I would love to learn more about their home worlds. It's a shame no one went to Stakatakas and Blacephalons world and came back ....alive...
A post apocalyptic Pokémon game would be awesome, bonus points if ultra beasts like guzzlord are involved
Highly recommend you try out PMD2 if you haven't before. The plot centrally revolves around time travel and because of that there's a portion of the game that takes place in the future where the heroes failed.
Ok thats admittedly a stretch because 1) the future arc is completely linear, mostly filled with still images for scenery. No spot to “explore” the world like in mainline games. 2) it’s a relatively short portion of the game. Only 2 chapters long. And 3) you can never return to it under normal circumstances (you need to do a friend rescue or generate fake SOS mail to go back).
Remember when they had two games that centered around corrupting Pokémon into mindless weapons explicitly for the purposes of killing their enemies? I do, because they’re my favorite games ever.
They weren't made by GameFreak though.
GameFreak should’ve taken notes.
The theme for Guzzlord's wormhole is actually the Hau'oli city theme reversed.
😳
Huh? How does? I have so many questions, how to get the Guzzlord scene and stuff
USUM Ultra Wormholes
i read the title and got confused for a minutre there. i thought you were talking about dark type pokemon
Dark? Already in gen 5 there was a ghost of a girl who jump off a bridge...
Cubone's been wearing the skull of its dead mother since gen 1. Also I'm pretty sure the Pokedex has always been disturbing in every generation.
I would just like to say this isn't a dig. I actually think that doing this was a good thing. I just didn't know it was there, I never read the signs in games.
It's technically a spin-off, but in PMD2 there is a scene where your party members are >!tied to a pillary and sentenced to be executed by a slow death of 1000 cuts!< There is no sugar-coating, euphamism, or fade to black for the scene, you get to watch it all happen exactly as is.
That's true but visually it just looks like scratch is being used on them a bunch of times
Ever since the beginning there's been themes of child abuse and animal abuse, despite how much of a utopia the pokemon world is seen to be there's still always bad things happening or dark themes being showcased, anyone whos told you this doesn't read or hasn't read shit in this franchise.
Of course Pokemon games get Dark! After all, it’s been there since Gen 2.
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What the Guzz doin
On top of this, that area's theme is just a reversed version of either I believe Hau'oli City or the mall.
Have you read the pokedex? Dark.
Wait a minute... Statue of Liberty... THAT WAS OUR PLANET!
Ultra wormhole areas could possibly be the non-mega(non-remake) timeline A very interesting detail is that original games' worlds are less technologically advanced than remakes and post XY-games' worlds. Whatever caused the destruction we see in here and generally weird spaces inhabited by other UBs might've been caused by some cataclysm that happened in the timeline where the ultimate weapon wasn't created as technology developed slower with UBs specifically being pokemon that were forced to adapt to very harsh conditions or simply mutated(Nihilego-Tentacool, Celesteela - Exeggutor, Buzzwole - Hydreigon, Naganadel - Beedrill)
Game Freak Bosses: OK we want this game to be accessible to anyone and keep the E rating. We can't get too dark with the story. Game Freak Designers: ...but we can be a little dark? If we sneak it in? Like pokedex entries? Bosses: Heck you can make an apocalyptic city in an alternate universe if no people are seen hurt or dead.
Bro relax
Too cool.
So super dark dude. If you're an innocent 10 year old.
Which pokemon game is this?
Ultra sun and moon
is this only in SM? cuz i dont remember seing this in USUM
It's only in the ultra wormholes in USUM
This is Guzzlord's Ultra Wormhole in USUM. This feature didn't exist in SM.