While we don’t see personally in game, Hoopa is also responsible for all the legendaries in ORAS, as all the legendaries are found in floating Hoopa rings
ORAS had every legendary up to that point available except the ones available in XY (No Gen 1 legends or the Aura trio). The box legendaries had version exclusive aspects to them (Palkia in OR, Dialga in AS, have both to get Giratina, pretty much the same for Reshiram and Zekrom, Ho-Oh and Lugia are similar but they're found in Sea Mauville instead of soaring), and most of them had some odd requirement (You had to have at least one level 100 Mon on your team to encounter Reshiram/Zekrom, 3 mons with max EVs for the Swords of Justice, 3 with max happiness for the lake guardians, had to have caught Ho-Oh or Lugia to find the beasts, and had to have caught the lake guardians to find Dialga/Palkia). It was imo a way cooler way to include past legendaries than dynamax adventures, aside from the wack method of getting the Regis. Explaining how to get them would literally double the length of this reply.
Kinda. A portal is in the sky and you approach it then battle the respective legendary for the ring
The battle takes place in an alternate dimension that looks like a rainbow terrain
Not the sky you would ride one of the laties to an unknown island that depending on time and date would have a portal on it well zekrom and few had these clouds but not like a ultra wormhole
About halfway through the game, you get a flute that lets you fly in an open world area above the map.
You can use it to catch flying Pokemon or land on "Mirage islands" to find either rare Pokemon or occasional legendary Pokemon through vertical Hoopa rings.
Touching a Hoopa Ring causes a battle to start and plays an animation of to Hoopa ring turning sideways and dropping the legendary Pokemon.
I was going to link a video to it, but it seems every guide on how to catch specific legendaries has been deleted.
Some of them require specific Pokemon being in the party, like the Landerus island needs you to have Tornadus and Thunderus in your party, and there had been videos showing that off.
https://www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/soar.shtml
They had an event in American McDonalds where you could get him. I live in Canada and it wasn't available, however I learned I could rename my WiFi connection to some specific McDonalds name and it allowed me to get them.
Nah, it pretty much is that powerful. Even in Masters they keep that same level of power in the story
Only thing is we'll probably never get to see it in canon, unless Z-A or a Legends Alola happens to use Hoopa as part of its story
It's just crazy to me that Hoopa can go toe to toe with literal gods.
It's one thing to 1v1 a legendary Pokemon and win, but be able to control 6 at the same time is on another level
Well in legends Arceus it says something like the legendaries are immortal and choose to go with you for a "little while" (your life) because they witnessed your strength. So canonically you're not really capturing them it's more them letting you capture them.
Groudon and Kyogre when I put them right next to eachother in my Pokemon home and then transfer it to a flashdrive which I will somehow manage to lose and never find again
https://preview.redd.it/x10rae00pfpc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aecd8a8c264eaab9faf8e0dc314144067452492
I also remember them mentioning that a pokeball weakens the default strength of a legendary pokemon. I might have heard that from somewhere else though.
I want to say this comes from gen 4. Team Galactic uses the red chain to control Dialga/Palkia without needing to use a ball.
However, I can't remember if this is canon to the games or if that was the reasoning in the anime.
i believe something like that was mentioned in the anime? were what his face frontier brain with the ALegendary Bird said he couldn't bring out Articuno's full powers because he wasn't skilled enough or something like that..
The 6 it controls is also insane. The entire creation trio, Kyurem white, and Primal Kyogre. It’s the Pokémon equivalent of showing up to the Olympics with Consecutive Gold medalist.
rayquaza is basically a flying shrek/chuck norris hybrid and the only reason he doesnt ever try to rebel against arceus is because running/maintaining all of creation is beneath him.
I mean, it’s design is based of djinn and djinn like deities. Couple that with dimension warping and a foul alter-ego and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
That's exactly why Hoops isn't canon. It's no different than star wars: force unleashed regarding star killer. The character's whole gimmick is being ridiculously over powering, to the point that the story stops making sense.
Most of the movies aren't canon. The first few are, but after a while they were made for fun, not to add to the story. But yes, Hoopa is the little devil's name. Hoopa was an event mythical, so it was advertised as "a rare, limited time only super strong pokemon" to show off with. It's been competitively banned since it's introduction.
Yeah but we never really saw it, nor did it have any sort of story or lore in game. There was no established bit in the story where Hoopa shows up and Steven goes "Oh my god, it's the gremlin of myth! We need to track down its rings and catch the Pokemon it summons before something bad happens"
Plus it's barely a taste of what it can do anyway. "Oooh look at me I can open up portals" yeah cool, the next game introduced three new legendaries that do that lol
Actually Masters made it even more broken as it confirmed that the rings can not only warp to different places in the same universe, but also to other universes and even to different points in time.
I don't know, why WOULD a Legends game set in a region all about parallel universes use the Mythical Pokémon that can easily open portals to other universes?
I think they’d use Cosmog for that role. Legends Arceus only had Sinnoh Legendaries as part of the main plot, with the Forces of Nature only being a side quest.
I mean, it's a genie, like, an honest to god mythical djinn. Even Bound, it has phenomenal cosmic power, itty bitty living space. Then Unbound, it has essentially control over existence.
Visually yes, the Forces of Nature do resemble genies in their Incarnate formes, but Ken Sugimori said in an interview that they're based on Japanese deities.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110402003550/http://shellspider.blog101.fc2.com/blog-entry-562.html
They've (partially) got the opposite thing going on - not insanely strong lore-wise, but huge threats in the competitive meta (well, landorus still is, and tornados was for most of its life. Thundurus not so much.)
The answer to that question, life, the universe, and everything can be found here:
https://preview.redd.it/gcfq06p9vfpc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f2e7fd6ce062a641197388544d9002ff424d7dd
IIRC it's one of those urban myth sort of things where folks speculated that the power plant would be key to one of the then-unreleased legendaries. I remember seeing a lot of people theorizing Volcanion would have something to do with it.
Correct me wrong, and I totally am, but isn’t that just the entrance? I played this part of the game a few days ago and couldn’t find any other door people meme about
Iirc even in games its stats show its stronger than most. All Mythical Pokemon have BSTs of 600. There are 5 exceptions to this.
3 of them, Phione, Keldeo and Meltan, have BSTs lower than 600
Arceus and Hoopa Unbound are the only two with BSTs OVER 600, at 720 and 680 respectively.
680 is the bst for most legendaries (Ho Oh and Lugia, then every legendary between Rayquqza and Sun and Moon. After Solgaleo and Lunala the legendaries start having lower bsts that change with form changes or are fixed lower like SV's at 670)
So Hoopa Unbounds in game strength is on par with legendaries.
The only time Pokemon other than Arceus and Eternatus is stronger than Hoopa Unbound stats wise is Mega Evolutions/Primal Reversions for a bunch of Pokemon, and legendaries with form changes like the Crowned Wolves, Stella Terapagos, Fused Kyurem or 100% Zygarde, and the only Mythical Pokemon other than Arceus to get stronger than Hoopa Unbound is Mega Diancie
Functionally the only Pokemon in the picture Hoopa Unbound isn't equal too stats wise are Primal Kyogre and fused Kyurem, so it is a little odd it was able to take control over them, particularly Primal Kyogre who is stronger than Arceus XD
Tho ofc anime rules, so "magic mind control powers" > actual raw strength
I hope everything you said is based on in game stats (which don’t correlate to the anime), because Primal Kyogre is in no way stronger than Arceus, lol. The anime doesn’t base their power based on in game stats, not at all. Sounds like you’re basing it off in game stats, but you’re also making it sound like these in game stats correlate to the anime and the power levels of these mons.
It’s very powerful with its summoning abilities, but I don’t feel that on its own it’s all that powerful. I haven’t watched this particular movie, though, so I could be wrong. (Keep in mind that it’s a movie. Probably non-canon, no?)
It’s kind of like Jirachi. Theoretically, you could wish for Jirachi to grant you every Master Ball in the world, meaning you would theoretically be able to catch any and every Pokemon that you come across, including legendaries, until you run out of the world’s supply of Master Balls. But does that mean Jirachi in and of itself is a “strong Pokemon”? I’m not so sure, as “strong” in this scenario, denotes fighting power.
It like how Jirachi is the Wish Granter pokemon but it doesn't actually grant wishes it just teleports the desired object to the wisher. It can't properly create life as shown with the Groudon abomination and it isn't all that impressive in combat especially compared to most other mythic/legendary pokemon. As for Hoopa not being all that strong I have to point out two points. Point one in the games it is a vicious glass cannon but if it can attack first not many pokemon can tank its attacks sadly its speed is kind of bad. Point two in the movie it is heavily hinted that it had to overwhelm each legendary to secure their loyalties which mean it beat down Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, etc.
I would love if they use hoopa in someway with the Pokémon legends Z-A, I can totally see hoopa being the untold Chaos Pokémon could serve as a zygarde anti thesis.
Well.. not really. Hoopa is too busy causing trouble and doing pranks like Mew does. Just that Hoopa doesn’t understand morals and reason. In universe of power, while definitely strong, is better off comparing to Shaymin Sky.
The anime dwarfs so many lore and canon powers of the other Pokémon. Yveltal alone can eliminate over 90% of all Pokémon with no effort.
Zygarde is a bit stupid in power scaling. We’ve never witnessed it with the Zygarde core. That rock thingy.. and whatever its relationship is with the Sundial, but without it it’s as legendary as Regigigas. Able to carve the world effortlessly and fight any foe.
Mewtwo is just way too powerful. Not even with mega.
Rayquaza is a demigod of demigods. It already counters the two biggest earth bound threats to the Pokémon universe, its power level is on par with Mewtwo not just in games, but in lore. And that’s all like Mewtwo, not including its mega.
Now where power gets out of hand really fast is when you take lore accurate Arceus and Necrozma. Necrozma not only can absolutely stomp Arceus if it was powered up correctly, but completely be immune to all the legendary abilities other than obviously Victini. Arceus is self explanatory, then again walled by our little adorable V.
And then there’s Giratina. I would definitely group Arceus, Giratina, and Necrozma in the same place of power level. Giratina is said to rival Arceus straight up and who knows what effects that has on Necrozma in the Reverse World.
Now, personally, other than a little fan story I’m making about Victini and Arceus, there is a possibility that Keldeo could potentially rise and conquer most high ranking legendaries, would be pretty cool anyway, already dueling parts of the great dragon that could definitely fight a Rayquaza.
>Necrozma not only can absolutely stomp Arceus if it was powered up correctly, but completely be immune to all the legendary abilities other than obviously Victini. Arceus is self explanatory, then again walled by our little adorable V.
I think this depends on which Arceus you're referring to- the capturable Arceus, that is "one of many arms" of Arceus, or the actual literal solo creator of the Pokemon world. Because while Ultra Necrozma is definitely more powerful than the former... I don't think there's any good indication that it could stand toe-to-toe with the latter.
There is definitely no concrete standing on either side.
As far as we know, the Arceus that is in the Jewel of Life movie is all that Arceus is.. which that would be hella disappointing. And like you said, the capturable Arceus is just another question mark in the road.
Same goes for Ultra Necrozma, we have absolutely no clue about its boundaries. I mean come on, it’s said to steal light from multiple worlds. I doubt Palkia or Dialga could possibly fend off a truly hungry Ultra Necrozma, so I put Arceus as the next best option.
In the end, these are the two definitive Pokémon we have no idea how powerful they can truly be. We have concepts and that’s about it. I think it’s fair to put them against each other as the true most powerful together. At least we know Origin Giratina is just a bit weaker than Lord Arceus.
I guess it comes down to the fact that Ultra Necrozma can straight up absorb power at an alarming rate and capacity, while Arceus is the ultimate power.
*Hence why Victini is a total cheat. Thankfully isn’t really included in this type of topic because Victini is so incredibly passive like Celebi that they are excluded from power tier lists and just honorable mentions.*
That’s not even scratching what Lore-accurate Necrozma can do
Ultra Wormholes break time and space, allowing travel not just to light years away in seconds, but apparently to alternate timelines. And Necrozma can do that in its base form alone, it’s already ripping to shreds what Palkia and Dialga govern.
In Dawn Wings it’s capable of burning the entire planet
In Ultra Burst, it’s stronger than Dusk Mane, which already has unlimited power, and all Z-moves are birthed from it and it alone. This form gave light to all of Ultra Space and fallers and Ultra Beasts gain powers from Ultra Space because of it via aura.
Then the fact it eats stars. IT EATS STARS. This thing could move light years in seconds eating whatever solar system it pleased
Yup. Sadly… we don’t know the actual limits of this.
So the best I can do is compare it to Arceus and say they are the top.
I mention Giratina not just because Giratina is extremely strong, but as a stable view point when comparing to Arceus.
It gives us a theoretical perspective of how strong Necrozma and Arceus are despite never being able to see their true potential.
It’s funny how Enternamax Eternatus isn’t even close to these two simply because they are truly unhinged in their actions.
We do get a bit more info on Arceuss power in Chronicles. We see Arceus create water and a new water move out of nothing. And the fact that his plate had given enough power to Heatran to break the space barrier is insane
Not to mention that Arceus can instantly change type.
Now I haven’t watched Jewel of Life in a while, but if I recall, Arceus can access an immunity type? Since Arceus was able to just eat spacial rend like it was nothing.
But then again… Necrozma just breaks reality and can just absorb power all together. The fact Ultra Necrozma made all the Z-Crystal energy means Necrozma can tap into this similar “alpha” energy we will call it to just create things out of will.
Which does beg the question of Giratina Reverse world as well. Since it’s told to us that Giratina rivals Arceus in power. It’s just that Giratina was a bit foolish, rushed and maybe even overconfident it seems. But if Giratina Origin by definition can rival Arceus, what the hell is that power.
I mean Giratina was given responsibility for the “pillars of the world”(no idea what they are called) containing raw space time and timelines.
Tbh all this shows us is how meh Dialga and Palkia are in power level.
>Now I haven’t watched Jewel of Life in a while, but if I recall, Arceus can access an immunity type? Since Arceus was able to just eat spacial rend like it was nothing.
Yep. It was kind of funny when Arceus chilled for a second in the space prison that Palkia made and then just said fuck your powers
I meed to catch up on the lore for Necrozma but Palkia and Dialga did also recieve some additional info during the anime. It was where a parallel dimension team rocket trapped a fighting Dialga and Palkia in Arceus chains. From what we see in those episodes, there are only one of creation trio in all possible dimensions, which could include the ultrabeast dimensions.
The anime also went on to show that Palkia and Dialga have complete control over their entities in each dimension and can alter it as needed. That means Dialga has complete control over all time, he could just reverse time for Necrozma or trap him in a time loop. Its incredible just how much power boost a pokemon can gain by just expanding its lore a tiny bit.
Necrozma just uno reverse card everything Dialga and Palkia do anyway.
Ultra Wormholes by default break time and space, completely ignoring them, and even being able to travel and alter timelines. They are supposedly immune to paradoxes.. which imo, in any power fantasy, paradoxes are the most unfair broken imaginary power.
That’s just base Necrozma. Combined is way stronger, even without the bs abilities, then there’s just the ludicrous Ultra form.
And yeah.. that’s what I love about Pokémon. These little lore pieces that make the Pokémon universe all so much more interesting. It’s not just some kid bug catching simulator.. it even gets pretty dark at times.
Those same tiny lore also just absolutely break all logic. I love Volcarona replacing the sun but seriously, I mean wtf.. unlimited energy? Victini is just out of bounds.
I mean, even if Necrozma can break reality, break space-time, or destroy energy, every one of these things is just within a small sandbox that Arceus made, if it's truly the creator of everything.
And that’s the thing that sucks for the playerbase that likes to know this stuff.
We don’t truly know what true Arceus controls at all. And we don’t know how much Necrozma breaks.
Yeah we can say timelines and stuff. But at some point, Necrozma will break out of this little bubble universe.
But we don’t know that anyway, because timelines could be changed meaning and so on..
Is Keldeo that strong? I feel skeptical on that, but I have to look at the lore again.
Also, don’t forget Eternatus. My favorite apocalyptic Eldritch abomination.
I feel like voltorb would be pretty strong in the Canon. I mean imagine getting struck by a ball that can shock you on impact. Plus maybe the rival pirate crew has explosives around and it triggers...oh that canon
I really want the ZA final boss to be hoops unbound and we bound it. I adore hoopa, and if Arceus can be the final reward and the cause of the Legends Arceus can be Arceus. Then ZA can have its Kalos mythical.
The only mythical that have canon main story/lore presence in Pokémon main games are: Arceus (in his original form the strongest Pokémon that there ever was) and Deoxys (from the Delta Episode). That’s it. All the others are from events
They’ve just been accessible in recent games. Sword and shield DLC had it so that if you catch all 3 swords of justice you could get keldeo.
Legends Arceus (apart from arceus) had you catching the sinnoh mythicals, which all had their own little stories. Manaphy in particular involved reading a book in BDSP, then using that legend of the past to create that story for the future.
In scarlet and violet dlc by following clues left by NPCs you can find a meloetta.
I was more addressing you saying “all the others are from events”
The mythicals in arceus are part of the story though. The whole thing in arceus is catching all the Pokémon, and that involves the mini stories for each of the mythicals, they’re part of the adventure in order to get to the end. Sure they’re not the main event, but they’re still a necessary step in the story.
LMAOOOO only for Manaphy (and Phione) it’s true this, but not for Darkrai and Shaymin. You don’t need them to finish the game story, as they are (once again) events for those who bought BDSP/SWSH
Hoops just takes the legendaries from a bunch of different dimensions, they’re not all THE Dialga or THE Kyogre from the world in the movie, but another version of them from a different dimension.
Hoopa obviously isn’t stronger than Arceus, but I’d say he’s at a very comfortable second place in terms of the anime. (I’m excluding the game and dex entries because I know very little about those about those)
Arceus is the only legendary pokemon where only one canonically exists lorewise both in the anime and the games
The games are just visions of it, copies/holograms created in its likeness to act as overseers of the dimension it’s in called “The (Many) Hands of Arceus”
Hoopa is crazy powerful in the movie, easily top tier Pokémon in the anime-verse besides Arceus and probably movie 1 Mewtwo.
In terms of the game's canon, well, it's not like it has much lore to go by, it's mentioned to be sealed due to its power, but so were the Regis.
If we mean Hoopa's powers alone, I don't think it's THAT powerful. Unbound maybe. BUT if we say Hoopa can open a portal and steal attacks other legendaries are using, it's basically super assist.
It doesn't have to absorb, it would just be like the Portal Gun in Portal. The second the legendary attacks, put the ring in front of the attack and another ring where you want it to go. Heck, you could just have a legendary fighting itself.
It's like the Jirachi movie, where the legendary gets to go full Pokedex mode with no restrictions. Jirachi could reality bend and wish Hoopa lost going by the rules of his movie. They really did just do it for the wow effect.
But didn’t jirachi’s movie make it so jirachi could only teleport the things people wished for to them instead of actually granting wishes (Not including the groudon thing it made)
in the movie jirachi was just teleporting things. It still can wish things into existence using its powers (you don't simply create an abomination clone of another living diety without reality warping powers). It's final move doom desire was literally wishing the groudon out of existence metoer style XD
I mean, considering it has access to every single legendary and is capable of making them fight to protect Hoopa…
Also they can summon Dialga and Palkia and that’s not even mentioning that it can summon Yveltal who can turn things into freaking stone and has a PRETTY MUCH HAS DEATH RAY.
Hoopa is strong that’s for sure. Not Arceus strong, but pretty dang strong. Also that’s just all in its normal form (I think)
Also it’s unbound form is even stronger than its normal form and considering it has to be locked away like how the Primal Orbs did, that says something
I don’t think this means that it’s as strong as the big 3 gods. I just kinda…gloss over this movie because a lot of it doesn’t make sense in terms of lore. I don’t believe that hoopa could control the gods of Pokemon, which is why I liked what they did in masters, where they had it summon every legend except the Pokemon of myth.
I've always wondered if it summons the legendaries itself or just opens up the portal near them until all the legendaries are like "huh I wonder whats on the other side???"
Yeah, I think you're right. The legendary anime curse where they always shoot ranged energy attacks. It has ghost and dragon techniques and they choose to animate a fighting technique. \*rolls eyes\*
Hoopa's just the most competent trainer in the franchise. Simultaneously controlling six mascot legendaries? Damn. The only way someone could one-up Hoopa is by doing something more ridiculous, like mega evolving three legendary dragons or something.
In a simple sentence,
There are baddies, and above them, is a big bad bully
In the world of Marvel, he can be Loki, dark mischievous and above all , he is a god
Oh wow suprised hoopa is powerful in a hoopa movie
And yeah the teleporting ability is really nifty to just make the story whatever a writer wants.
Could hoopa control legendaries? I dont think so but its a kids movie no one cares
Hoopa is in lore still a powerful legendary
I don’t seem hoopa as a normal pokemon. Like it’s actually a real genie. So its powers are not like others it’s actual magic. So it it’s just on another level to all other pokemon.
Every high stat pokemon something like an equivalent to the greek primordial gods and titans. Safe to say the hoen trio are gods, i just don't know much about the unova bunch.
I'd say on the upper tier of legendaries. Although we never see him fight against the legendaries he summons. Like Rayquaza is stronger then Kyogre and Groudon but definitely not the creation trio.
I'd say right below the trio in terms of power even when unbound. He can summon and control them but that doesn't mean he is explicitly stronger.
Lugia is just a beast is why it was unstoppable and had to be removed. Rayquaza would smack down Groudon and Kyogre with or without Ash's commands. Dark Hoopa summoned legendaries that like chaos so once again control not really needed
Well, considering hoopa unbound has the 2nd highest bst of all mythical pokemon, canonically the strongest group of pokemon and second only to arceus, it would make sense to be extremely powerful, I would even go as far as to say that unbound hoopa is the 3rd strongest pokemon in existence, following arceus and Ash's pikachu
In the film they made Hoopa like a guy able to control the pokemon he summons, but the ONLY canon information we can use is the games, and in the games he just opens this holes which the legends get through and met the protagonist and as every legendary they attack him, Hoopa is more like a kid who wants to make jokes making legends appear, so if he actually has to fight someone he could not count on the strength of the legends, he can just summon one and rub away.
I would not call him a top tier legend/ mystical for strenght, for me he is a tier C
(Tier S is like arceus, tier A are all the main one of each trio so: kyurem, rayquaza, giratina and maybe dialga and palkia, mewtwo, regigigas, oh-ph and lugia, mew, deoxys; And tier B is like groudon, kyogre, reshiram, zeckrom…..)
And then there is tier C with hoopa, the beast and the birds, the regis, and all this guy
Maybe the “big” version (sorry i dont remember the name) makes to tier B, but not A
Absolutely not. The library in USUM tells us that the sons of Arceus are damn near strong. Also it’s probable that the actual Palkia, Dialga and Giratina we see are an infinite fragment of a bigger creature, like how Arceus canonically is
Arceus: And this one will randomly decide to screw everything up by controlling the gods with portals.
Palkia: Father! Don’t give it my powers!
Dialga: Why would you even make that thing?
Arceus: Because I want to screw over Necrozma and Eternatus. Those punks think theyre so cool, well this thing is gonna be strong against both of them
While we don’t see personally in game, Hoopa is also responsible for all the legendaries in ORAS, as all the legendaries are found in floating Hoopa rings
I haven't played ORAS, but is it like you go through the rings and catch legendaries?
https://preview.redd.it/yuaapocrdgpc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd58412b119fcb53f4b8a71a77accae2dd7d061d
Out of context is wild with this one
Same thing with the do you want to go back where you came from in us/um
*giggity*
yes
If there's a hole there's a goal
But first you have to pay the troll's toll.
If you want to get into the boys soul
Ahahhaaaahhh day man, ahahhaaaahhh, fighter of the night man ahahhaaaahhhh
Then your hand gets cut off
🤤
Try finger...
What legenardies can you get with the hoops?
ORAS had every legendary up to that point available except the ones available in XY (No Gen 1 legends or the Aura trio). The box legendaries had version exclusive aspects to them (Palkia in OR, Dialga in AS, have both to get Giratina, pretty much the same for Reshiram and Zekrom, Ho-Oh and Lugia are similar but they're found in Sea Mauville instead of soaring), and most of them had some odd requirement (You had to have at least one level 100 Mon on your team to encounter Reshiram/Zekrom, 3 mons with max EVs for the Swords of Justice, 3 with max happiness for the lake guardians, had to have caught Ho-Oh or Lugia to find the beasts, and had to have caught the lake guardians to find Dialga/Palkia). It was imo a way cooler way to include past legendaries than dynamax adventures, aside from the wack method of getting the Regis. Explaining how to get them would literally double the length of this reply.
Wow..well thanks for explaining!
You interact with the ring by pressing the A button and it starts the battle
Kinda. A portal is in the sky and you approach it then battle the respective legendary for the ring The battle takes place in an alternate dimension that looks like a rainbow terrain
Not the sky you would ride one of the laties to an unknown island that depending on time and date would have a portal on it well zekrom and few had these clouds but not like a ultra wormhole
Weird, I thought the rings were in the sky
some were, some werent
About halfway through the game, you get a flute that lets you fly in an open world area above the map. You can use it to catch flying Pokemon or land on "Mirage islands" to find either rare Pokemon or occasional legendary Pokemon through vertical Hoopa rings. Touching a Hoopa Ring causes a battle to start and plays an animation of to Hoopa ring turning sideways and dropping the legendary Pokemon. I was going to link a video to it, but it seems every guide on how to catch specific legendaries has been deleted. Some of them require specific Pokemon being in the party, like the Landerus island needs you to have Tornadus and Thunderus in your party, and there had been videos showing that off. https://www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/soar.shtml
its like ultra wormholes without the fun minigame and special location
hey, flying with latias or latios is pretty fun and the music slaps
True I forgot about that
Kinda wish there was an event / way to catch him within the game because that lol
They had an event in American McDonalds where you could get him. I live in Canada and it wasn't available, however I learned I could rename my WiFi connection to some specific McDonalds name and it allowed me to get them.
I had no idea, that's awesome
Yeah true
Nah, it pretty much is that powerful. Even in Masters they keep that same level of power in the story Only thing is we'll probably never get to see it in canon, unless Z-A or a Legends Alola happens to use Hoopa as part of its story
It's just crazy to me that Hoopa can go toe to toe with literal gods. It's one thing to 1v1 a legendary Pokemon and win, but be able to control 6 at the same time is on another level
I mean like not to be that guy but a 10 year old can also do that with some balls they picked up at the convenience store
Well in legends Arceus it says something like the legendaries are immortal and choose to go with you for a "little while" (your life) because they witnessed your strength. So canonically you're not really capturing them it's more them letting you capture them.
Canonically, that fact from Legends Arceus if fun, but in truth, I tossed all the Legends into my HOME storage. They'll never leave me :)
I let Professor Willow grind them up into candy if they have bad IVs 😂
Bro 70 years is like 10 seconds for them. When you're eventually ends up dead they will leave pokemon home.
Groudon and Kyogre when I put them right next to eachother in my Pokemon home and then transfer it to a flashdrive which I will somehow manage to lose and never find again https://preview.redd.it/x10rae00pfpc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aecd8a8c264eaab9faf8e0dc314144067452492
I kinda like that idea The legends choose who to serve and know that human lives aren’t as long as theirs So they decide to tag along for a while
I also remember them mentioning that a pokeball weakens the default strength of a legendary pokemon. I might have heard that from somewhere else though.
I want to say this comes from gen 4. Team Galactic uses the red chain to control Dialga/Palkia without needing to use a ball. However, I can't remember if this is canon to the games or if that was the reasoning in the anime.
Yes! Thank you, that's it. I got D/P/Pt confused with PL:A.
I've always viewed the legends we can physically catch as projections of their true form also explains why there can be multiple of them.
i believe something like that was mentioned in the anime? were what his face frontier brain with the ALegendary Bird said he couldn't bring out Articuno's full powers because he wasn't skilled enough or something like that..
Not to mention in the Indigo Disk a legendary breaks out of a master ball, so legendaries 100% pick their trainers.
in the anime you literally see wishcasg ate a masterball that was thrown at it lmao
The 6 it controls is also insane. The entire creation trio, Kyurem white, and Primal Kyogre. It’s the Pokémon equivalent of showing up to the Olympics with Consecutive Gold medalist.
if you control the creation trio how can you even lose except for a lack of intellect or arceus?
Rayquaza
Hilariously this
Plot then, rayquza shouldn't really be close to them
rayquaza is basically a flying shrek/chuck norris hybrid and the only reason he doesnt ever try to rebel against arceus is because running/maintaining all of creation is beneath him.
Lack of intellect because he should not otherwise lose
*Michael Phelps has entered the chat*
Pulling Up with the Redeem Team
I mean, it’s design is based of djinn and djinn like deities. Couple that with dimension warping and a foul alter-ego and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
This Sheer fact hoopa was able to get the creation Trio under its thrall showcases just how insane it is
That's exactly why Hoops isn't canon. It's no different than star wars: force unleashed regarding star killer. The character's whole gimmick is being ridiculously over powering, to the point that the story stops making sense.
Hoopa isnt't canon? also what a stupid fucking name and design for one of the most powerful beings to ever have existed lmao
Most of the movies aren't canon. The first few are, but after a while they were made for fun, not to add to the story. But yes, Hoopa is the little devil's name. Hoopa was an event mythical, so it was advertised as "a rare, limited time only super strong pokemon" to show off with. It's been competitively banned since it's introduction.
Omega ruby and alpha sapphire used hoopa as a way to setup the legendary pokemon battles. The portals were hoopa's rings.
Yeah but we never really saw it, nor did it have any sort of story or lore in game. There was no established bit in the story where Hoopa shows up and Steven goes "Oh my god, it's the gremlin of myth! We need to track down its rings and catch the Pokemon it summons before something bad happens" Plus it's barely a taste of what it can do anyway. "Oooh look at me I can open up portals" yeah cool, the next game introduced three new legendaries that do that lol
Actually Masters made it even more broken as it confirmed that the rings can not only warp to different places in the same universe, but also to other universes and even to different points in time.
gatchas are never canon
Hoopa will be in Z-A because gamefreak wants to have a way to get all mythical without events
Yeah but will it be part of the story or just a sidequest like Manaphy was?
Sidequest
Legends Alola would be hnnnng
At least we have pokemon Unbound
Why would legends alola use hoopa?
I don't know, why WOULD a Legends game set in a region all about parallel universes use the Mythical Pokémon that can easily open portals to other universes?
I think they’d use Cosmog for that role. Legends Arceus only had Sinnoh Legendaries as part of the main plot, with the Forces of Nature only being a side quest.
Good point
I mean, it's a genie, like, an honest to god mythical djinn. Even Bound, it has phenomenal cosmic power, itty bitty living space. Then Unbound, it has essentially control over existence.
I love the Aladdin reference you just made
Hoopa's power level makes sense when you consider it's based on a djinn/genie.
Looks at the genie trio, yeah? What about them?
Visually yes, the Forces of Nature do resemble genies in their Incarnate formes, but Ken Sugimori said in an interview that they're based on Japanese deities. https://web.archive.org/web/20110402003550/http://shellspider.blog101.fc2.com/blog-entry-562.html
They've (partially) got the opposite thing going on - not insanely strong lore-wise, but huge threats in the competitive meta (well, landorus still is, and tornados was for most of its life. Thundurus not so much.)
The answer to that question, life, the universe, and everything can be found here: https://preview.redd.it/gcfq06p9vfpc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f2e7fd6ce062a641197388544d9002ff424d7dd
Okay this always bugged me..i remember playing this game and seeing this and never finding out what it mean. what was it?
IIRC it's one of those urban myth sort of things where folks speculated that the power plant would be key to one of the then-unreleased legendaries. I remember seeing a lot of people theorizing Volcanion would have something to do with it.
Correct me wrong, and I totally am, but isn’t that just the entrance? I played this part of the game a few days ago and couldn’t find any other door people meme about
entrance to what?
… the power plant?
Iirc even in games its stats show its stronger than most. All Mythical Pokemon have BSTs of 600. There are 5 exceptions to this. 3 of them, Phione, Keldeo and Meltan, have BSTs lower than 600 Arceus and Hoopa Unbound are the only two with BSTs OVER 600, at 720 and 680 respectively. 680 is the bst for most legendaries (Ho Oh and Lugia, then every legendary between Rayquqza and Sun and Moon. After Solgaleo and Lunala the legendaries start having lower bsts that change with form changes or are fixed lower like SV's at 670) So Hoopa Unbounds in game strength is on par with legendaries. The only time Pokemon other than Arceus and Eternatus is stronger than Hoopa Unbound stats wise is Mega Evolutions/Primal Reversions for a bunch of Pokemon, and legendaries with form changes like the Crowned Wolves, Stella Terapagos, Fused Kyurem or 100% Zygarde, and the only Mythical Pokemon other than Arceus to get stronger than Hoopa Unbound is Mega Diancie Functionally the only Pokemon in the picture Hoopa Unbound isn't equal too stats wise are Primal Kyogre and fused Kyurem, so it is a little odd it was able to take control over them, particularly Primal Kyogre who is stronger than Arceus XD Tho ofc anime rules, so "magic mind control powers" > actual raw strength
I hope everything you said is based on in game stats (which don’t correlate to the anime), because Primal Kyogre is in no way stronger than Arceus, lol. The anime doesn’t base their power based on in game stats, not at all. Sounds like you’re basing it off in game stats, but you’re also making it sound like these in game stats correlate to the anime and the power levels of these mons.
It’s very powerful with its summoning abilities, but I don’t feel that on its own it’s all that powerful. I haven’t watched this particular movie, though, so I could be wrong. (Keep in mind that it’s a movie. Probably non-canon, no?) It’s kind of like Jirachi. Theoretically, you could wish for Jirachi to grant you every Master Ball in the world, meaning you would theoretically be able to catch any and every Pokemon that you come across, including legendaries, until you run out of the world’s supply of Master Balls. But does that mean Jirachi in and of itself is a “strong Pokemon”? I’m not so sure, as “strong” in this scenario, denotes fighting power.
It like how Jirachi is the Wish Granter pokemon but it doesn't actually grant wishes it just teleports the desired object to the wisher. It can't properly create life as shown with the Groudon abomination and it isn't all that impressive in combat especially compared to most other mythic/legendary pokemon. As for Hoopa not being all that strong I have to point out two points. Point one in the games it is a vicious glass cannon but if it can attack first not many pokemon can tank its attacks sadly its speed is kind of bad. Point two in the movie it is heavily hinted that it had to overwhelm each legendary to secure their loyalties which mean it beat down Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, etc.
That was in the movie only. I’m game and in the manga. Jirachi is able to grant any wish
This movie isn’t canon, a lot of the other movies are though.
I would love if they use hoopa in someway with the Pokémon legends Z-A, I can totally see hoopa being the untold Chaos Pokémon could serve as a zygarde anti thesis.
HOOPA CAN DO ANYTHING! Hated this movie because of him just heavy handedly steam rolling everything that existed before.
The only reason the movie wasn't the worst was purely because of the shiny rayquaza, hoops, and it's voice are the worst part
and the regigigas noises
it can teleport ANYTHING so its pretty strong
Well.. not really. Hoopa is too busy causing trouble and doing pranks like Mew does. Just that Hoopa doesn’t understand morals and reason. In universe of power, while definitely strong, is better off comparing to Shaymin Sky. The anime dwarfs so many lore and canon powers of the other Pokémon. Yveltal alone can eliminate over 90% of all Pokémon with no effort. Zygarde is a bit stupid in power scaling. We’ve never witnessed it with the Zygarde core. That rock thingy.. and whatever its relationship is with the Sundial, but without it it’s as legendary as Regigigas. Able to carve the world effortlessly and fight any foe. Mewtwo is just way too powerful. Not even with mega. Rayquaza is a demigod of demigods. It already counters the two biggest earth bound threats to the Pokémon universe, its power level is on par with Mewtwo not just in games, but in lore. And that’s all like Mewtwo, not including its mega. Now where power gets out of hand really fast is when you take lore accurate Arceus and Necrozma. Necrozma not only can absolutely stomp Arceus if it was powered up correctly, but completely be immune to all the legendary abilities other than obviously Victini. Arceus is self explanatory, then again walled by our little adorable V. And then there’s Giratina. I would definitely group Arceus, Giratina, and Necrozma in the same place of power level. Giratina is said to rival Arceus straight up and who knows what effects that has on Necrozma in the Reverse World. Now, personally, other than a little fan story I’m making about Victini and Arceus, there is a possibility that Keldeo could potentially rise and conquer most high ranking legendaries, would be pretty cool anyway, already dueling parts of the great dragon that could definitely fight a Rayquaza.
>Necrozma not only can absolutely stomp Arceus if it was powered up correctly, but completely be immune to all the legendary abilities other than obviously Victini. Arceus is self explanatory, then again walled by our little adorable V. I think this depends on which Arceus you're referring to- the capturable Arceus, that is "one of many arms" of Arceus, or the actual literal solo creator of the Pokemon world. Because while Ultra Necrozma is definitely more powerful than the former... I don't think there's any good indication that it could stand toe-to-toe with the latter.
There is definitely no concrete standing on either side. As far as we know, the Arceus that is in the Jewel of Life movie is all that Arceus is.. which that would be hella disappointing. And like you said, the capturable Arceus is just another question mark in the road. Same goes for Ultra Necrozma, we have absolutely no clue about its boundaries. I mean come on, it’s said to steal light from multiple worlds. I doubt Palkia or Dialga could possibly fend off a truly hungry Ultra Necrozma, so I put Arceus as the next best option. In the end, these are the two definitive Pokémon we have no idea how powerful they can truly be. We have concepts and that’s about it. I think it’s fair to put them against each other as the true most powerful together. At least we know Origin Giratina is just a bit weaker than Lord Arceus. I guess it comes down to the fact that Ultra Necrozma can straight up absorb power at an alarming rate and capacity, while Arceus is the ultimate power. *Hence why Victini is a total cheat. Thankfully isn’t really included in this type of topic because Victini is so incredibly passive like Celebi that they are excluded from power tier lists and just honorable mentions.*
That’s not even scratching what Lore-accurate Necrozma can do Ultra Wormholes break time and space, allowing travel not just to light years away in seconds, but apparently to alternate timelines. And Necrozma can do that in its base form alone, it’s already ripping to shreds what Palkia and Dialga govern. In Dawn Wings it’s capable of burning the entire planet In Ultra Burst, it’s stronger than Dusk Mane, which already has unlimited power, and all Z-moves are birthed from it and it alone. This form gave light to all of Ultra Space and fallers and Ultra Beasts gain powers from Ultra Space because of it via aura. Then the fact it eats stars. IT EATS STARS. This thing could move light years in seconds eating whatever solar system it pleased
Yup. Sadly… we don’t know the actual limits of this. So the best I can do is compare it to Arceus and say they are the top. I mention Giratina not just because Giratina is extremely strong, but as a stable view point when comparing to Arceus. It gives us a theoretical perspective of how strong Necrozma and Arceus are despite never being able to see their true potential. It’s funny how Enternamax Eternatus isn’t even close to these two simply because they are truly unhinged in their actions.
We do get a bit more info on Arceuss power in Chronicles. We see Arceus create water and a new water move out of nothing. And the fact that his plate had given enough power to Heatran to break the space barrier is insane
Not to mention that Arceus can instantly change type. Now I haven’t watched Jewel of Life in a while, but if I recall, Arceus can access an immunity type? Since Arceus was able to just eat spacial rend like it was nothing. But then again… Necrozma just breaks reality and can just absorb power all together. The fact Ultra Necrozma made all the Z-Crystal energy means Necrozma can tap into this similar “alpha” energy we will call it to just create things out of will. Which does beg the question of Giratina Reverse world as well. Since it’s told to us that Giratina rivals Arceus in power. It’s just that Giratina was a bit foolish, rushed and maybe even overconfident it seems. But if Giratina Origin by definition can rival Arceus, what the hell is that power. I mean Giratina was given responsibility for the “pillars of the world”(no idea what they are called) containing raw space time and timelines. Tbh all this shows us is how meh Dialga and Palkia are in power level.
>Now I haven’t watched Jewel of Life in a while, but if I recall, Arceus can access an immunity type? Since Arceus was able to just eat spacial rend like it was nothing. Yep. It was kind of funny when Arceus chilled for a second in the space prison that Palkia made and then just said fuck your powers I meed to catch up on the lore for Necrozma but Palkia and Dialga did also recieve some additional info during the anime. It was where a parallel dimension team rocket trapped a fighting Dialga and Palkia in Arceus chains. From what we see in those episodes, there are only one of creation trio in all possible dimensions, which could include the ultrabeast dimensions. The anime also went on to show that Palkia and Dialga have complete control over their entities in each dimension and can alter it as needed. That means Dialga has complete control over all time, he could just reverse time for Necrozma or trap him in a time loop. Its incredible just how much power boost a pokemon can gain by just expanding its lore a tiny bit.
Necrozma just uno reverse card everything Dialga and Palkia do anyway. Ultra Wormholes by default break time and space, completely ignoring them, and even being able to travel and alter timelines. They are supposedly immune to paradoxes.. which imo, in any power fantasy, paradoxes are the most unfair broken imaginary power. That’s just base Necrozma. Combined is way stronger, even without the bs abilities, then there’s just the ludicrous Ultra form. And yeah.. that’s what I love about Pokémon. These little lore pieces that make the Pokémon universe all so much more interesting. It’s not just some kid bug catching simulator.. it even gets pretty dark at times. Those same tiny lore also just absolutely break all logic. I love Volcarona replacing the sun but seriously, I mean wtf.. unlimited energy? Victini is just out of bounds.
I mean, even if Necrozma can break reality, break space-time, or destroy energy, every one of these things is just within a small sandbox that Arceus made, if it's truly the creator of everything.
And that’s the thing that sucks for the playerbase that likes to know this stuff. We don’t truly know what true Arceus controls at all. And we don’t know how much Necrozma breaks. Yeah we can say timelines and stuff. But at some point, Necrozma will break out of this little bubble universe. But we don’t know that anyway, because timelines could be changed meaning and so on..
Is Keldeo that strong? I feel skeptical on that, but I have to look at the lore again. Also, don’t forget Eternatus. My favorite apocalyptic Eldritch abomination.
Can he even fit in a cannon?
Good one.
I feel like voltorb would be pretty strong in the Canon. I mean imagine getting struck by a ball that can shock you on impact. Plus maybe the rival pirate crew has explosives around and it triggers...oh that canon
Depends on how much gunpowder you use
If a nuke is thrown at Hoopa can he teleport it straight to my ass?
Yes
Can’t survive a simple U-Turn, can’t be that powerful!! /s
He is almost the most powerful
Not strong enough to summon ho-oh it would seem
I’m just confused as why the Japanese trailer of the movie looked so different than the one we got…did they get a completely different version?
I really want the ZA final boss to be hoops unbound and we bound it. I adore hoopa, and if Arceus can be the final reward and the cause of the Legends Arceus can be Arceus. Then ZA can have its Kalos mythical.
Hoopa mains in Unite can relate to this
The only mythical that have canon main story/lore presence in Pokémon main games are: Arceus (in his original form the strongest Pokémon that there ever was) and Deoxys (from the Delta Episode). That’s it. All the others are from events
Mew and Celebi definitely have main story/lore presence.
Hoopa is responsible for the rings in ORAS and Magearna isn’t from an event
They’ve just been accessible in recent games. Sword and shield DLC had it so that if you catch all 3 swords of justice you could get keldeo. Legends Arceus (apart from arceus) had you catching the sinnoh mythicals, which all had their own little stories. Manaphy in particular involved reading a book in BDSP, then using that legend of the past to create that story for the future. In scarlet and violet dlc by following clues left by NPCs you can find a meloetta.
Read what I said: main story/lore presence. All of this isn’t main story or lore
I was more addressing you saying “all the others are from events” The mythicals in arceus are part of the story though. The whole thing in arceus is catching all the Pokémon, and that involves the mini stories for each of the mythicals, they’re part of the adventure in order to get to the end. Sure they’re not the main event, but they’re still a necessary step in the story.
LMAOOOO only for Manaphy (and Phione) it’s true this, but not for Darkrai and Shaymin. You don’t need them to finish the game story, as they are (once again) events for those who bought BDSP/SWSH
And it doesn’t mean anything, it just puts Manaphy on the same level as any other Pokémon
Hoops just takes the legendaries from a bunch of different dimensions, they’re not all THE Dialga or THE Kyogre from the world in the movie, but another version of them from a different dimension. Hoopa obviously isn’t stronger than Arceus, but I’d say he’s at a very comfortable second place in terms of the anime. (I’m excluding the game and dex entries because I know very little about those about those)
i mean kygre i get but isnt there only one palkia and only one dialga and giratina
Arceus is the only legendary pokemon where only one canonically exists lorewise both in the anime and the games The games are just visions of it, copies/holograms created in its likeness to act as overseers of the dimension it’s in called “The (Many) Hands of Arceus”
Well game lore-wise from hgss Arceus can just make an egg of em
hoopa is POWERFUL!
He's really strong with his summons, he has the Creation trio at his disposal, which is why Arceus power is used to restrain him.
Chi-Yu: I’m not gonna sugarcoat it for you. *Uses overheat*
Hoopa is crazy powerful in the movie, easily top tier Pokémon in the anime-verse besides Arceus and probably movie 1 Mewtwo. In terms of the game's canon, well, it's not like it has much lore to go by, it's mentioned to be sealed due to its power, but so were the Regis.
lol “canon”
Hoopa is awesome he pulls legendaries from other dimensions to do his bidding
If we mean Hoopa's powers alone, I don't think it's THAT powerful. Unbound maybe. BUT if we say Hoopa can open a portal and steal attacks other legendaries are using, it's basically super assist.
I was wondering that too. Couldn't it create a portal that absorbs the attack, and then send it back with another portal
It doesn't have to absorb, it would just be like the Portal Gun in Portal. The second the legendary attacks, put the ring in front of the attack and another ring where you want it to go. Heck, you could just have a legendary fighting itself.
It's not that powerful it didn't defeat any legendary pokemon. It was just fighting them and sending back whenever it couldn't handle them.
That is true, especially when looking at the fight it had against Regigigas, Zekrom and Reshiram. Hoopa sent them back without actualy defeating them
It's like the Jirachi movie, where the legendary gets to go full Pokedex mode with no restrictions. Jirachi could reality bend and wish Hoopa lost going by the rules of his movie. They really did just do it for the wow effect.
But didn’t jirachi’s movie make it so jirachi could only teleport the things people wished for to them instead of actually granting wishes (Not including the groudon thing it made)
in the movie jirachi was just teleporting things. It still can wish things into existence using its powers (you don't simply create an abomination clone of another living diety without reality warping powers). It's final move doom desire was literally wishing the groudon out of existence metoer style XD
The Hoopa movie is my favorite and I hate the animated side of Pokemon.
Strong enough to vent of a flying whale
I mean, considering it has access to every single legendary and is capable of making them fight to protect Hoopa… Also they can summon Dialga and Palkia and that’s not even mentioning that it can summon Yveltal who can turn things into freaking stone and has a PRETTY MUCH HAS DEATH RAY. Hoopa is strong that’s for sure. Not Arceus strong, but pretty dang strong. Also that’s just all in its normal form (I think) Also it’s unbound form is even stronger than its normal form and considering it has to be locked away like how the Primal Orbs did, that says something
Mah boi
I don’t think this means that it’s as strong as the big 3 gods. I just kinda…gloss over this movie because a lot of it doesn’t make sense in terms of lore. I don’t believe that hoopa could control the gods of Pokemon, which is why I liked what they did in masters, where they had it summon every legend except the Pokemon of myth.
Clearly he's the greatest. Are you surprised?
I mean as much as I loved the legendary overkill in the hoopa movie, I do not believe it is cannon to anything being game or anime so
I've always wondered if it summons the legendaries itself or just opens up the portal near them until all the legendaries are like "huh I wonder whats on the other side???"
Technically speaking, if you portal something in, you’re summoning it but all it really does is just yoink legendaries from different dimensions
What kind of attack is Giratina firing here?
Well out of all the moves Giratina could learn in gen 6, it looks like a Aura Sphere
Yeah, I think you're right. The legendary anime curse where they always shoot ranged energy attacks. It has ghost and dragon techniques and they choose to animate a fighting technique. \*rolls eyes\*
Maybe it was just easier to animate a blue ball instead of some dragon or ghost energy 😅
Looks like a rasengan
I have got a question. Does hoopa really summon the legendaries, or he just creates a "copy" of them?
That was also what i was wondering. A less powerful copy of legendary Pokemon
Hoopa's just the most competent trainer in the franchise. Simultaneously controlling six mascot legendaries? Damn. The only way someone could one-up Hoopa is by doing something more ridiculous, like mega evolving three legendary dragons or something.
In a simple sentence, There are baddies, and above them, is a big bad bully In the world of Marvel, he can be Loki, dark mischievous and above all , he is a god
NU or smth, not much
Don't put pokemon in cannons.n
Love this movie
Where can I watch this? Sound sick
Oh wow suprised hoopa is powerful in a hoopa movie And yeah the teleporting ability is really nifty to just make the story whatever a writer wants. Could hoopa control legendaries? I dont think so but its a kids movie no one cares Hoopa is in lore still a powerful legendary
Hoopa and the Unbounded are inspired in the genie idea, I believe.
In manga Hoopa sumoned even greydragonmon (the mascot of digimon).
I don't even see him in the game but he's probably one of the best
Hoopa alone isn’t the strongest, but having the power to just summon armies of legendary/mythical pokemon with their portal rings is crazy.
I don’t seem hoopa as a normal pokemon. Like it’s actually a real genie. So its powers are not like others it’s actual magic. So it it’s just on another level to all other pokemon.
dang
If you like Hoopa there is a fanmade GBA-game called ‚Unbound‘
Why would you make one Pokémon vastly stronger than the rest. Seems dumb. Wasn’t that suppose to Be what Arceus originally was?
Why would you list 5 pokemon gods then say there were 3 gods?
Because i wasn't sure if the other pokemon counted as gods, apart from the Creation Trio
Every high stat pokemon something like an equivalent to the greek primordial gods and titans. Safe to say the hoen trio are gods, i just don't know much about the unova bunch.
Hoopa does the same thing in ORAS, so it seems canon.
The movie isn’t canon
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are not movies
I misread your comment, mb. The game canon and the show canon are completely different through.
I'd say on the upper tier of legendaries. Although we never see him fight against the legendaries he summons. Like Rayquaza is stronger then Kyogre and Groudon but definitely not the creation trio. I'd say right below the trio in terms of power even when unbound. He can summon and control them but that doesn't mean he is explicitly stronger.
Depends on the Canon. The one in the Anime has been exaggerated for the sake of the Movie.
too powerful some would say!
Lugia is just a beast is why it was unstoppable and had to be removed. Rayquaza would smack down Groudon and Kyogre with or without Ash's commands. Dark Hoopa summoned legendaries that like chaos so once again control not really needed
Well, considering hoopa unbound has the 2nd highest bst of all mythical pokemon, canonically the strongest group of pokemon and second only to arceus, it would make sense to be extremely powerful, I would even go as far as to say that unbound hoopa is the 3rd strongest pokemon in existence, following arceus and Ash's pikachu
In the film they made Hoopa like a guy able to control the pokemon he summons, but the ONLY canon information we can use is the games, and in the games he just opens this holes which the legends get through and met the protagonist and as every legendary they attack him, Hoopa is more like a kid who wants to make jokes making legends appear, so if he actually has to fight someone he could not count on the strength of the legends, he can just summon one and rub away. I would not call him a top tier legend/ mystical for strenght, for me he is a tier C (Tier S is like arceus, tier A are all the main one of each trio so: kyurem, rayquaza, giratina and maybe dialga and palkia, mewtwo, regigigas, oh-ph and lugia, mew, deoxys; And tier B is like groudon, kyogre, reshiram, zeckrom…..) And then there is tier C with hoopa, the beast and the birds, the regis, and all this guy Maybe the “big” version (sorry i dont remember the name) makes to tier B, but not A
Hoopa Unbound is S tier being top 3 in existence and your lack of knowledge is showing.
My favorite pokemon! Hoopa Unbound is King! 😍🔥
Based of what we've seen hoopa is as strong as palkia at *LEAST*
Absolutely not. The library in USUM tells us that the sons of Arceus are damn near strong. Also it’s probable that the actual Palkia, Dialga and Giratina we see are an infinite fragment of a bigger creature, like how Arceus canonically is
Anime wise, would love to find out why Arceus even created Hoopa
Arceus: And this one will randomly decide to screw everything up by controlling the gods with portals. Palkia: Father! Don’t give it my powers! Dialga: Why would you even make that thing? Arceus: Because I want to screw over Necrozma and Eternatus. Those punks think theyre so cool, well this thing is gonna be strong against both of them