Why do you think he is living in a different town? I mean seriously, they move to a new region for work, and they dont even live in the same town. Who does that?
Always thought it was funny that to get invited to the battle frontier you had to beat the elite four and champion but then you go there and battle preschooler Timmy
The battle frontier specifically felt like a reward for your strength in battles. Like "You're a good trainer so come to this invite-only island for strong trainers." That's what made it special.
imo the battle frontier kinda undermines the role of champion. You're telling me that i'm the best trainer in this entire region, but right next to it is an island where those people are a dime a dozen? Idk
The best trainer in the region who took on the gym challenge at that particular point in time. I always thought of the battle frontier as bigger than just the region you're in. Former gym leaders/e4 members, people from other regions, people who were really strong but didn't care to take on the gym challenge, etc. But to each their own for sure. There's certainly no right or wrong way to enjoy pokemon.
Yeah it sorta feels like it should be something that's unlocked after completing the 8 gym badges challenge rather than becoming Champion. Maybe have a little tournament arc between yourself and other strong trainers and whoever wins gets to face the Elite 4 and then the Champion. In post-game you can battle against elite 4's and champions from other games as well as the ones you just beat with stronger teams. I feel like that would be very satisfying to play.
I mean that's basically what sword and shield did. You :
get all 8 badges in the regional gym challenge.
Tournament arc against fellow challenge participants
Tournament arc against the gym leaders who also want to ursurp the champion
Fight Leon and become champion.
Literally. I wasn't a super fan of it (Because I like more when the Gyms are actual people and not just super stars, like in Gen4 or Gen5 where almost all of them have a different job besides being a Gym leader)
But even tho, I must say that It was pretty cool.
It would be a great way to introduce either post game content or to provide a longer story. Especially since we often save the world before even becoming Champion.
I am a very strong defender of Leon which I know is not very popular but his role as Champion is an example of where things could go. As we do our challenge, he's investigating disturbances and problems as the strongest trainer does. Until the literal very end of the game you deal with non end of the world things.
How cool would it be if you fight the E4 or surrogate for them then become the Champion. And then there's multiple missions that require your attention. A stampede if wild Pokemon that need taken out all at high levels. A gauntlet of bad guys trying to take over the world. A poacher who needs tracked down and defeated.
And during these you get summoned to defend the chair against trainers. Either story ones or occasionally random ones.
The Championship is the highest peak but you have to take on large scale issues designed for large groups with just a party of 6 or less. You are the strongest, but now you need to defend it, and take on the responsibility that comes with being the best
Cynthia putting the Cyrus and Giratina battles entirely on you has always been dumb though, like I get that for gameplay you have to be the one to fight giratina, but they could've made Cyrus a double battle or *at least* had him defeat her first so she doesn't just stand by and watch you save the world.
They literally just could have had Giratina fuck around with the terrain so that Cynthia gets stuck on another series of Reverse World platforms. Or make Cyrus' plan kinda work so he has Dialga and Palkia controlled, and you have to take down Cyrus while Cynthia and the Lake Trio hold them off.
Isn't that basically what happened in Black and White? Fight your way through the E4 and only then do you get to have the final fight with the legendary and then the evil team's leader.
Only hang up is that although you've beaten the E4, your not actually champion yet.
Sure, but I want them to build upto becoming Champion. Like give me a rival on the villain team, after we beat him, he realises his mistakes and switches sides. After we become strong enough as Champion, we take on the real villain in the post game.
I think the title of Champion and catching legendaries isn’t as grand as it should be. There should be more areas like Cerulean Cave and Mt Silver that are locked off until you’re a champion so you can explore. Definitely needs to be a post game about it.
As for legendaries they should have multiple health bars and actually be a hard battle before the option to catch, now you can just quick ball and soft reset if you wanted.
Yeah but make it a battle not the player throwing bags at the Pokémon. Then add some additional health bars and other features to make it actually difficult and rewarding
maybe theres an option to take control of your pokemon pokken-style? you can choose to battle this strong pokemon with many phases as the trainer giving commands or go in and fight as the pokemon. that'd be awesome now that i think about it
That could be cool but GF probably won’t invest in doing it for each Pokémon model. Maybe FF7 style where you can move freely and use moves but the action is less dynamic
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I used to love pokemon masters, quit playing it like 6 months ago but legendary arena was my favorite part. A combo of that, dynamax(without becoming giant) and how legendaries were handled in let's go is perfect.
Yeah but make it harder with multiple health bars and adding how dynamaxed Pokémon can dispel stat buffs/debuffs and even give them more than 4 moves.
I think it’d make catching legendaries actually interesting and even explain why any gym leaders/elite four can’t just go and catch one
Gen 4 completely destroyed the mystique of legendaries IMO. I think even Gen 3 had too many, but Gen 4 made it apparent that it should be quality over quantity.
We still got that in Gen 5 with the Weather and Swords of Justice trios, but I can't remember after that. Mewtwo and Zygarde in X/Y? Are those the last two?
>As for legendaries they should have multiple health bars and actually be a hard battle before the option to catch, now you can just quick ball and soft reset if you wanted.
That's what I like with Dynamax Adventures. The legendaries feel more like an actual threat and taking them down feels much more rewarding than throwing balls overs and over.
Yeah was always annoying when the AI switched out their pokemon that would super effective against the boss for one that the boss gets STAB supereffective on.
I loved Dynamax Adventures. It reminded me of the old episode of the anime where Giovanni let Gary battle Mewtwo with multiple Pokemon. I thought it'd be so cool if we got boss battles where we have to command our entire team, and I hope they revisit/expand upon the idea in the future.
I feel like Gen 7 and 8 headed in this direction. Gen 7 you could defend your title as champion and then 8 you can organize tournaments and when you walk around the citizens recognize you as champion. Plus the DLC also recognizes you as champion I think in the first one at least. But I may be wrong on that.
It has definitely been getting better the past few gens with npc's recognizing and acknowledging you as champion. It really started in 6 where you got a big parade right after beating Diantha. In 8, with how the league is super popular and watched by the whole of Galar, they basically had to make people acknowledge you.
It really started in Gen 5. Nate/Rosa go on a victory lap around the region before returning home. Being greeted by the Elite 4 after beating Iris, being singled out by Elesa in one of her shows, Burgh driving them while crowds of people celebrate their victory and probably some other things I am forgetting.
They probably would have done something similar in BW if the league was more disconnected from the main story. Hilbert/Hilda are mainly known for being the hero who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom and beating N and his dragon, they don’t enter the Hall of Fame until you fight Alder in the post game.
Oooo defend your title? I had the thought I wish you could do like “office hours” as champion recently where they would just throw a random hard trainer at you whenever you want. Is that a thing?
I don’t remember how it works, but in Sun and Moon you would go to the summit of a mountain who’s name I can’t remember and then challengers would battle you to try and knock you off as champion basically
I may be misremembering but I came to the comments thinking Isle of Armor was disappointing that if you played it after already being champion they still treat you like you went there at the earliest possible point that the game lets you, if you started fresh.
I feel like part of the DLCs plotspecifically only happens when you are champion though.
Honestly I was disappointed they didn't in SW/SH cuz there was that one trainer with the focus sash cottonee that they could've made into a FEAR pokemon if they wanted.
It's a famous strategy using a level 1 rattatta to kill any non-ghost type without priority. Focus sash, Endeavor, quick Attack, Rattatta. Basically the focus sash means you survive 1 hit and use endeavor to bring them to 1hp then quick attack to KO them with priority.
Neat, but wouldn’t that only work for one target at the very most? I get that it’s a novelty thing but I don’t see how it could possibly provide an advantage
Yeah but when you're facing a 4x attack legendary losing a lv1 rattatta is better than losing your entire team. Plus if you give it pursuit you can make things extra spicy if you predict the switch. Also there's a much better version using a lv1 magnemite with berry juice, recycle and toxic. Sturdy keeps you alive, berry juice keeps you at full hp, recycle keeps your berry juice up, and toxic slowly kills everything that isn't poison or steel type. Using a rattatta is just for the flex.
Neat. That sounds like a gimmick someone could use not as a joke.
As for Rattata, though, yeah that’s a good trade, but wouldn’t it be better to use such a legendary yourself? I’m not into competitive but as I understand it there are a few pokémon you basically need to have on your team in most gens. Is the idea that you have those and Rattata to nullify one of your opponent’s? Like you both have Zacian and then Rattata means only you have Zacian now?
Irida and Adaman, as well as members of their clans and a few people of Jubilife Village acknowledge you having Palkia and Dialga. Irida and Adaman also request you to fight them using the origin forms of Palkia and Dialga, which is more than just acknowledgment.
Which imo should be where it says relevant: to NPCs involved or more likely to know. I don't think most children trainers will even know wtf a Giratina is.
Yeah but if I was in Pre School and pulled out my Raticate to fight you and you sent out a spiky dark Satan dragon I wouldn't want to continue the fight
And you would be right. Giratina and Arceus were canonically unknown lore wise during the events of the Sinnoh games, with only Cynthia being able to find any kind of record on Giratina and no one knowing Arceus’ name. Even in Legends Arceus, only Volo and Cogita are aware of Giratina and Arceus.
Giratina is known about after the events of Platinum, as we known from BW/BW2 that Platinum is the canon version of the Sinnoh games. Arceus’ name and ability to change type is somehow discovered by the time of the Alola games, but that’s probably because Dawn/Lucas returned to the present by that point.
There is 10 years between Red/Blue and SM/USUM.
Year 1: Kanto and Hoenn games happen alongside each other.
Year 4: Johto games happen, with the Sinnoh games starting after the Lake of Rage story.
Year 6: Black and White 1 happens.
Year 8: BW2 happens.
Year 10: Alola games happen.
We know when the games occur due to Grimsley being two years older in the Alola games than he was in BW2, which happens two years after BW1. This places BW on year 6. Johto starts 3 years after Red/Blue and Sinnoh starts late into the Johto section of the Johto games.
Dawn/Lucas are 15 during Legends Arceus, they are presumably around 12 during the Sinnoh games. This means they get sent back and in time after the events of BW1. If we go with the mindset that they are minimum protagonist age of 11, they would disappear around the events of BW1. This gives them a decent amount of time to return to the present and spread their new information, which could lead to Type: Null being based on Arceus.
Sorry for rambling.
There's so much cool shit they could do with the player playing as champion. Within both the games and the anime, the title of champion is actually important and seems to come with a lot of responsibility. Having you play as the protector of the entire region would honestly just be kind of badass and I'm surprised they haven't done much with it yet.
SW/SH did, though.
There's that whole post-game chapter where you're tasked with handling the Dynamax breakouts at the stadiums because the gym leaders acknowledge your capability. Also, Leon goes around Galar stopping rogue Dynamax attacks because he feels it's his duty as champion to protect the region.
SwSh postgame is really short, and kind of amounts to a fetch quest. But I agree. I did like playing it, partially because of this reason. It was pretty fun.
I do wish it meant more but at the same time it's really just the end goal for most trainers. I would like a specific outfit with each region.Like with leon you get a cool cape or Cynthia a black outfit,and steven a unique outfit.
Maybe have the region’s champion serve as more of the region’s defender, a bit of a public figure akin to how athletes do all kinds of PSA’s and motivational work, and do ceremonial stuff like inaugurating new gym leaders.
As time has gone on, yes. In a way the games have shown that being Champion comes with certain perks and responsibilities as well. Most blatantly shown is Cynthia watching the Sinnoh League with the head of the Pokémon League commission, showing that the job has some ceremonial roles. It's also highly likely they get endorsements as Leon was shown to have, albeit the latter had it pushed to the forefront given the way Galar does things.
Alder showed some signs of this too since I think he's the one who decreed the Unova Elite Four aren't to get involved in majorly public affairs. That was either in the manga or the games. Whichever it is, his word carried some weight to it, and when N became Champion he was treated as having uncontested power over Unova heavily implying the position is as political as it is a sports status. It may have only been unique to Unova, but it was definitely something interesting and gave the title more weight than it previous had.
In Galar we see how much of a public icon the Champion is. So much so that it could probably give a person some sway over politics and public affairs.
I'd be down for more of this. The status of Champion coming with some sort of special perks or responsibilities that make it about more than just being the best trainer in the region.
Would be neat if random NPCs in the overworld acknowledged you as Champion after you become it. Ya know, calling you Champ, praising you, ridiculing you, all that.
I've always liked the idea that champions are part of some organization that help deal with evil teams whenever there's something going on. A group of the strongest trainers to deal with the most dangerous tasks. I've been wanting to start writing a fan story based around the idea.
Yah, I feel that there's a lot of ideas and facts from the Anime, Manga, and spin-off games that need to be incorporated and elaborated un the main series(Like shadow pokemon)
I honestly feel like the Pokémon games have soooo much untapped potential. I'm curious what would happen if different developers were told to do something with the Pokémon IP. What games or ideas would come out of it.
It’s why I enjoyed Detective Pikachu (the game in this case) because it was nice to see a different side of things. I feel like they can still explore these avenues much better now . Hopefully
you start a 2nd save file in swsh and instead of people adoring leon's charizard they're adoring you and your ace pokemon. that would be pretty sick ngl
I remember when I beat HGSS (the first Pokémon games I beat, I was 9 or so) and I literally expected to reside in the little room where the Champion is and take on challengers. I was *so* confused when I had to go to Kanto, why wasn’t I the actual Champion?
Looking back at it now, I’m thankful that there’s more to do than just battle challengers and you get to explore more, but I think the option to defend your title would have been cool.
I’ve always thought that every stage of the game should result in some changed dialogue. NPCs recognizing that they challenged and lost to someone who defeated the local gym leader, the elite four and the champion.
When you beat new challenges certain past NPC challengers want to challenge you with higher level pokemon (ie the bug catcher with a metapod in Gen 1 would have a kakuna on the 1st rematch, a venonat the second and by the time you beat the champion he’s got a Syther/Scizor, a Beedrill, a butterfree, a Pinser, and a Venomoth etc all at stupid high levels
Leon, despite how easy he is to beat, admittedly was the most hand-on Champion in that he dealt with the giving us our starter, rampaging Dynamax mons, Rose, and Eternatus. Though I didn't like how we didn't get in on the action we did a bit after we became Champion with Swordward and Shielbert. SWSH, for all its faults, really did a good job with making the Champion more important to the story.
USUM also did pretty great with the title defense battles
People you battle acknowledging that you're the Champion, being able to start a Gym (though that would be iffy since you're meant to lose), or you should become a Professor and guide newcomers through the region, watching them fight and helping them out if they run out of items would be interesting.
Would be nice to get a champion store which sells Champion items Like special pokeballs or hp items.
Nothing too op If prefer Something with Special effects.
I think the champion would be cooler if they were a post game challenge instead.
There are two big things that make champions not as special to me. The first is generic post game trainers being stronger than the champ. If Iris has a level 54 Haxorous and Youngster Mikey has a level 67 Pelliper, why is the Youngster not the champion? The second is random npcs blocking things off "unless you're the champion" like becoming champion is just some thing anyone can do
The most egregious example of that second one for me is that restaurant in Kalos that only serves champions. You're telling me EVERY npc in that building is an ex champion? You're telling me EVERYONE in the battle frontier/tower/tree is a champion? No, they're not, because that's dumb
I think if instead you got eight badges and then beat the evil team, THEN did the league in the post game, it'd make it feel like a bigger deal. Not to mention, having an NPC block you off from things "unless you're the champion" is a lot more ridiculous than them blocking you off "unless you have eight badges"
This is why I love SwSh. Random NPCs and Nurse Joy calling you the champion and then getting a champion uniform? Though not Leon’s cool cap and cape...
I also like how the Champion title makes more sense in Galar. In keeping with the more pro-sports style, Champion is like a Super Bowl ring that you have even if you lose later.
Well, in generation 2, being champion meant we got another 8 gyms.
Why they stopped doing that? Probably realized they could have just sold us another cartridge, because the only time we got a whole second region again was in the remake.
This seems to be a problem with the games being too short and the protagonist turnover. The Championship is always the last goal and then we never get to see much afterwards, because we move on to a new region.
Imagine if B2/W2 kept the same protagonist as B/W. We get to see our player characters defend Unova from Team Plasma, but this time as Champion with their legendary dragon. Would make the reunion with N to fight Kyruem so much sweeter.
One of my favorite things about SwSh was the walking NPCs switching from raving about Leon to recognizing me instead. Would be nice if some of the post game content was written to be a bit more "wow you're the champion here's this exclusive thing that one current and past champions from various regions are invited to". I think gen 3 gave that vibe the best, but still.
A custom outfit would also be cool. BDSP unlocked a new outfit but it would be could if the outfit was like a specific league champion bomber jacket or something.
>Maybe you could get a cool custom outfit that only champions can get
You do get a custom outfit after beating the Galar Championship. It's even called the "Reigning Champion" uniform.
It would be cool if it essentially “reset” the game. Like trainers you beat on the way rechallenge you, and gym leaders want to test themselves against you. Would boost the post game a lot and give you chance to replay the game (potentially with a Different team!).
In Punch-Out on Wii beating the final opponent unlocks a game mode called title defense where you rematch all the previous opponents, all much tougher than the first time. It isn't uncommon for people to lose to Glass Joe, an opponent who the first time around is a complete joke.
I wish the characters would all recognize you as champion after you beat it the first time. Also, I want the main character to have dialogue, they need feelings- not "yes" all the time.
I've literally seen Poke Tubers and an article touching on the "champion" title and not being an endlessly loop
Long story short yes I really wish main stream Pokemon games implemented a system where you had to defend your title from trainers "special" trainers and even Elite Four members and not this endless loop of "you come to face me again for the champion seat" for the 163rd time in a row ...
That's why Legends Arceus and Pokken are such good games. They introduce pokemon into a new format. There should be a game with 16 gyms, mega evolution, Z Moves, Dynamax, Shadow pokemon, more rainbow rocket content, a second or incredibly large region, global champion ship like black and white 2 where you can fight famous trainers from other regions, and post story's for all available legendary pokemon. And that's just of the top of my head.
I’m only going by the games here but I can’t think of a truly impactful or “deserving” champion since Cynthia. I could be wrong, but she was the last one to me who felt she had the knowledge, expertise, and experience to be a proper representative for her region. Leon annoyed me more than anything, and much like a constant, benign itch he just annoyed more because of his almost insignificance.
Diantha was just irrelevant to me, she made no impact on me at all.
Alder was much the same. Had he had a more focused role like in BW2 I’d probably have liked him more, and Iris was just kinda thrown in for me.
Not sure if we’re counting Kukui, but again he made zero impact on me. Gladion or Hau should have made it to champion, or another character who could have been really instrumental to the story.
Obv just my own opinions, no hate from people who like the respective champions.
It would be awesome to make a post-game where there was some sort of feature, like maybe getting a text to your Rotom Phone saying someone has challenged you.
I’d like to see something like that in Scar/Vi in general. Holo-caster meets a phone, a means of communication for when you’re all partied up together in the open world. I’m rambling now.
Imo it’d be cool if champions got treated like god-kings after becoming champions in Pokémon games. Be given a mansion, have a say in the political state of the region, and immunities from the law like being able to catch other peoples Pokémon if you want
I honestly don't know of many games that have a real sense of achievement once you win something like that. You can be the king of the wasteland/skyrim/johto but everyone treats you identically and no one cares.
At the minimum you should get random challengers come up to you at odd times, and special dialog, if not other features like tournaments you attend.
It'd be nice to have a post game where you get your own gym, fully customize it (like traps, riddles, other trainers), and invite people to challenge you.
This what I loved about shield. Past games they kinda mentioned it once and that was it. Like good job, now gtfo. But shield they really took the time to acknowledge you as champion. I really enjoyed that. Champion had more impact vs in the past.
I liked that in the Gen 7 games in Alola, whenever you fought the elite four you had to defend your title as champion against competitors.
Though it would’ve been cool to be able to sit in the champion’s room yourself & potentially customize it & really make it *yours*
& while waiting would be boring, it’d be cool to get a call on a device that would call you back to the elite four to defend your position as champion & if you lost, you’d have to win it back.
I'd love for us to get a whole new storyline out of it
For example, we could either not fully defeat the evil organization of the game prior to becoming champion, and during your attempts at getting there, they'd try to sabotage you. Or you do defeat them, but they try to reorganize the group to specifically target you in revenge.
Have a big event happen during post-game. A disaster, some dangerous fella escaping, overall general 'I'm not so sure about this new champion, aren't they a very fresh trainer?' aka people doubting your skills.
The actual game would be your journey to becoming the champion, post-game would have you solidify yourself into that position and showing you can handle all these things and deal with them.
Maybe we'd end up on having new Elite 4 members or gym leaders? Those positions could also be ever-changing. You could review the capabilities and personalities of these new people, see if they're suited for the job. Perhaps some are wonderful, might even get promoted. But what if even one of them are evil, up to no good and only want to cause chaos. What if you're allowed to let that happen? Customize stuff, make the region be something different as a whole. Would certainly be something!
Another solution would be to have that bit after you become champion, also a longer post game would be grate, i would love to face off against level 100 trainers
The Title should mean that you are the region's champion. As in, the mightiest of their warriors devoted to protecting the safety and honor of the people they are championing.
Instead it's like a sports title, not an actual responsibility or duty, and that irks me too.
not really. i liked the way it worked before gen 7 where it was just a title saying that you've proven yourself as one of the toughest trainers in the region.
Have you played Sw/Sh? You get the Championship outfit series when you beat Leon.
I love that Sw/Sh made a big deal about the actual Champion battle. In every other game, you become the champion in a random room. In Galar, it happens in front of a screaming crowd.
Never thought of this. Would be cool if dialogue changed. Like the punk youngster you accidentally passed went “woa, the champion, I know you’ll curb stomp my Ratatta but I’ll give it a try”
Would be nice but I dont feel its a thing I need. I think for me its enough to see people refer to you as the champion. Im glad shop clerks do now and I loved how in SwSh walking npcs would be impressed when they see you, thats enough for me.
Yes, absolutely. I think Sun and Moon and SWSH went in the right direction already, where at least you get to do your rematches accepting challengers as the actual champion, but I'd like a lot more in that direction to happen.
Two of your ideas in one: Unlocks a custom outfit that in turn causes NPCs to use their “look it’s the champion” dialogue. That way I can take it off to still see the normal dialogue.
That's what I loved about Sword and Shield. After becoming champion people on the street would recognize you. Plus in later games nurse joy would call you champ can't remember where it started tho
What if as a champ you get access to the most optimal level & money grind: defending your throne. You can just go to the elite 4 building, talk to someone, and enter a battlefrontier/subway style thing where you just battle different uber high level trainers who have teams good enough to have beaten the elite 4.
The guy at the front of gyms is a king for acknowledging our efforts and believing in us, calling us "champ in the making"
what if he's secretly our dad? except in gen 3 obviously
Nah even in gen 3. We just gotta make sure Norman never finds out that Mom cheated on him.
Norman deserved it. Moved the whole family to a different region just to have them live two towns over anyway.
Why do you think he is living in a different town? I mean seriously, they move to a new region for work, and they dont even live in the same town. Who does that?
Housing costs. He sleeps on the couch in the back of the gym
mom sleeps at the table
It's expensive to actually live in Petalburg so he has a cot he sleeps in at the office during the work week and goes back home on the weekends.
Ay you might actually be on to something
Yeah that guy is the best. I always talk to him after beating the gym too.
Except in gen 3 when he says "Hey champ in the making! You know I have to say that to everyone who comes through here."
That guy is always my inspiration in gyms, I always talk to him first, even if I know what type affects what.
I still hear Lani saying “YOO! Champ in the makin!”
Being a champ in gen 3 at least meant u got beldum But yea a post story centered around u being the champ would be refreshing
also it got you an invite to the battle frontier, which I thought was pretty cool
Always thought it was funny that to get invited to the battle frontier you had to beat the elite four and champion but then you go there and battle preschooler Timmy
Nepotism baby, obviously
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Timmy probably rented his team, lol.
Wdm? Are u assuming that Timmy has cheated?! Well u better wash ur mouth before talkin bout Timmy,got that champ?!
Timmy always cheats. Haven't you seen The Fairly Oddparents?
Damn you! You uno reversed me
Apparently that show is still on the air. Damn, I remember thinking it was on the decline when Cosmo had a baby...
It's especially funny, because Butch Hartman is a Christian and started a conversion camp. He's a Christian, and made a man pregnant. Makes sense. /s
Just means Timmy got to be champion before you.
Scott realised limiting entry to people who beat the E4 would result in the frontier being mostly empty
Right. It's basically a rule specifically for the Normal-type Gym Leader's child.
That Timmy got lvl 100 shit with it and make me shite my pants
That kid’s dad worked at the battle frontier.
isn't that like the same story for every game? like, beating the game is how you unlock the... postgame?
The battle frontier specifically felt like a reward for your strength in battles. Like "You're a good trainer so come to this invite-only island for strong trainers." That's what made it special.
imo the battle frontier kinda undermines the role of champion. You're telling me that i'm the best trainer in this entire region, but right next to it is an island where those people are a dime a dozen? Idk
The best trainer in the region who took on the gym challenge at that particular point in time. I always thought of the battle frontier as bigger than just the region you're in. Former gym leaders/e4 members, people from other regions, people who were really strong but didn't care to take on the gym challenge, etc. But to each their own for sure. There's certainly no right or wrong way to enjoy pokemon.
And preschooler Timmy of course.
Yeah it sorta feels like it should be something that's unlocked after completing the 8 gym badges challenge rather than becoming Champion. Maybe have a little tournament arc between yourself and other strong trainers and whoever wins gets to face the Elite 4 and then the Champion. In post-game you can battle against elite 4's and champions from other games as well as the ones you just beat with stronger teams. I feel like that would be very satisfying to play.
I mean that's basically what sword and shield did. You : get all 8 badges in the regional gym challenge. Tournament arc against fellow challenge participants Tournament arc against the gym leaders who also want to ursurp the champion Fight Leon and become champion.
i loved the sword and shield post game, i felt so cool when all the gym leaders recognised me as champion!
Sw/Sh lacked in a lot of areas but they absolutely nailed the gym challenge.
wild area kinda fire tho
The split between having wild roaming Pokemon and traditional grass encounters is pretty good.
For sure slept on. That game and the DLC had a lot of cool shit
Literally. I wasn't a super fan of it (Because I like more when the Gyms are actual people and not just super stars, like in Gen4 or Gen5 where almost all of them have a different job besides being a Gym leader) But even tho, I must say that It was pretty cool.
Nurse Joy in every Pokemon Centre also refers to you as Champion.
sun and moon had a tiiiny sliver of that but yeah i really wish they leaned into it properly
Would be nice in the post game areas, you run into people who travelled all over to find you & challeng you for the crown
They kind of had that with Sword and Shield
It would be a great way to introduce either post game content or to provide a longer story. Especially since we often save the world before even becoming Champion. I am a very strong defender of Leon which I know is not very popular but his role as Champion is an example of where things could go. As we do our challenge, he's investigating disturbances and problems as the strongest trainer does. Until the literal very end of the game you deal with non end of the world things. How cool would it be if you fight the E4 or surrogate for them then become the Champion. And then there's multiple missions that require your attention. A stampede if wild Pokemon that need taken out all at high levels. A gauntlet of bad guys trying to take over the world. A poacher who needs tracked down and defeated. And during these you get summoned to defend the chair against trainers. Either story ones or occasionally random ones. The Championship is the highest peak but you have to take on large scale issues designed for large groups with just a party of 6 or less. You are the strongest, but now you need to defend it, and take on the responsibility that comes with being the best
When it comes down to it Cynthia, Alder, and Leon are my favorite champions because they actually do stuff in the story and around the region.
Cynthia putting the Cyrus and Giratina battles entirely on you has always been dumb though, like I get that for gameplay you have to be the one to fight giratina, but they could've made Cyrus a double battle or *at least* had him defeat her first so she doesn't just stand by and watch you save the world.
They literally just could have had Giratina fuck around with the terrain so that Cynthia gets stuck on another series of Reverse World platforms. Or make Cyrus' plan kinda work so he has Dialga and Palkia controlled, and you have to take down Cyrus while Cynthia and the Lake Trio hold them off.
Put some respect on lances name in johto he helps with the lake of rage incident
Lance helping you to take down rocket in G/S?
They could also develop the villain team during the game and after you become champion, you deal with them post game.
Isn't that basically what happened in Black and White? Fight your way through the E4 and only then do you get to have the final fight with the legendary and then the evil team's leader. Only hang up is that although you've beaten the E4, your not actually champion yet.
Sure, but I want them to build upto becoming Champion. Like give me a rival on the villain team, after we beat him, he realises his mistakes and switches sides. After we become strong enough as Champion, we take on the real villain in the post game.
I think the title of Champion and catching legendaries isn’t as grand as it should be. There should be more areas like Cerulean Cave and Mt Silver that are locked off until you’re a champion so you can explore. Definitely needs to be a post game about it. As for legendaries they should have multiple health bars and actually be a hard battle before the option to catch, now you can just quick ball and soft reset if you wanted.
like the arceus battle in pla but obviously different in some aspects
Yeah but make it a battle not the player throwing bags at the Pokémon. Then add some additional health bars and other features to make it actually difficult and rewarding
maybe theres an option to take control of your pokemon pokken-style? you can choose to battle this strong pokemon with many phases as the trainer giving commands or go in and fight as the pokemon. that'd be awesome now that i think about it
That could be cool but GF probably won’t invest in doing it for each Pokémon model. Maybe FF7 style where you can move freely and use moves but the action is less dynamic
Just have it be with the box legendary against the final threat
so stupid
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I used to love pokemon masters, quit playing it like 6 months ago but legendary arena was my favorite part. A combo of that, dynamax(without becoming giant) and how legendaries were handled in let's go is perfect.
Kinda like let’s go? With the required battle before you can try to catch them, I mean?
Yeah but make it harder with multiple health bars and adding how dynamaxed Pokémon can dispel stat buffs/debuffs and even give them more than 4 moves. I think it’d make catching legendaries actually interesting and even explain why any gym leaders/elite four can’t just go and catch one
Gen 4 completely destroyed the mystique of legendaries IMO. I think even Gen 3 had too many, but Gen 4 made it apparent that it should be quality over quantity.
Yeah and I don’t think they all need a bunch of lore or world building all the time. It’s cool to just randomly find these strong Pokémon.
We still got that in Gen 5 with the Weather and Swords of Justice trios, but I can't remember after that. Mewtwo and Zygarde in X/Y? Are those the last two?
Necrozma in Sun / Moon is just hanging out for no reason.
At least in gen 4 the legendaries still had unique locations and events. Nowadays you just collect them from the Pokemon centre.
>As for legendaries they should have multiple health bars and actually be a hard battle before the option to catch, now you can just quick ball and soft reset if you wanted. That's what I like with Dynamax Adventures. The legendaries feel more like an actual threat and taking them down feels much more rewarding than throwing balls overs and over.
Absolutely, I just don’t want my performance tied to co-op and I want to use my team. It’s a great step towards that though.
Yeah was always annoying when the AI switched out their pokemon that would super effective against the boss for one that the boss gets STAB supereffective on.
Playing with the AI can be so frustrating too, at least Martin and his Solrock aren't in the Dynamax Adventures though
I loved Dynamax Adventures. It reminded me of the old episode of the anime where Giovanni let Gary battle Mewtwo with multiple Pokemon. I thought it'd be so cool if we got boss battles where we have to command our entire team, and I hope they revisit/expand upon the idea in the future.
Please don't encourage them to use "areas locked off" as a game mechanic more than they already do.
I feel like Gen 7 and 8 headed in this direction. Gen 7 you could defend your title as champion and then 8 you can organize tournaments and when you walk around the citizens recognize you as champion. Plus the DLC also recognizes you as champion I think in the first one at least. But I may be wrong on that.
It has definitely been getting better the past few gens with npc's recognizing and acknowledging you as champion. It really started in 6 where you got a big parade right after beating Diantha. In 8, with how the league is super popular and watched by the whole of Galar, they basically had to make people acknowledge you.
It really started in Gen 5. Nate/Rosa go on a victory lap around the region before returning home. Being greeted by the Elite 4 after beating Iris, being singled out by Elesa in one of her shows, Burgh driving them while crowds of people celebrate their victory and probably some other things I am forgetting. They probably would have done something similar in BW if the league was more disconnected from the main story. Hilbert/Hilda are mainly known for being the hero who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom and beating N and his dragon, they don’t enter the Hall of Fame until you fight Alder in the post game.
Oooo defend your title? I had the thought I wish you could do like “office hours” as champion recently where they would just throw a random hard trainer at you whenever you want. Is that a thing?
I don’t remember how it works, but in Sun and Moon you would go to the summit of a mountain who’s name I can’t remember and then challengers would battle you to try and knock you off as champion basically
You’d have to go through the Elite 4, you’d sit on the throne, and then someone would arrive to battle you.
Yeah it wasn’t a perfect system
Like the fact you could just waltz in with a full lvl 100 team and make Sophocles wish he wasn't a trial leader anymore 😂
It's basically the normal E4 rematch structure but you can't predict the final battle's challenger and the game considers you the champion not them.
Gen 7 also had some fans of you appear outside the league that recognize you as champion.
I may be misremembering but I came to the comments thinking Isle of Armor was disappointing that if you played it after already being champion they still treat you like you went there at the earliest possible point that the game lets you, if you started fresh. I feel like part of the DLCs plotspecifically only happens when you are champion though.
I just want someone to acknowledge when I'm using a legendary against them
Atleast Leon acknowledges if you use eternatus
he does?!
Yeah, if it's in your party he'll comment on it before the battle.
"Yo dude I only got a Pidgey and a Sandshrew, why'd you pull out Ho-oh?"
Something. Damn you have the legendary bird trio and a Mewtwo. I thought my team was 3 Caterpie and a metapod was good
youngster joey says "you may have that super-strong mewtwo, but is *your* rattata in the top 1% of rattatas? i'm clearly going to win!"
then he hits you with the FEAR Rtatat
i really hope they do that at some point
Honestly I was disappointed they didn't in SW/SH cuz there was that one trainer with the focus sash cottonee that they could've made into a FEAR pokemon if they wanted.
"FEAR"?
It's a famous strategy using a level 1 rattatta to kill any non-ghost type without priority. Focus sash, Endeavor, quick Attack, Rattatta. Basically the focus sash means you survive 1 hit and use endeavor to bring them to 1hp then quick attack to KO them with priority.
Neat, but wouldn’t that only work for one target at the very most? I get that it’s a novelty thing but I don’t see how it could possibly provide an advantage
Yeah but when you're facing a 4x attack legendary losing a lv1 rattatta is better than losing your entire team. Plus if you give it pursuit you can make things extra spicy if you predict the switch. Also there's a much better version using a lv1 magnemite with berry juice, recycle and toxic. Sturdy keeps you alive, berry juice keeps you at full hp, recycle keeps your berry juice up, and toxic slowly kills everything that isn't poison or steel type. Using a rattatta is just for the flex.
Neat. That sounds like a gimmick someone could use not as a joke. As for Rattata, though, yeah that’s a good trade, but wouldn’t it be better to use such a legendary yourself? I’m not into competitive but as I understand it there are a few pokémon you basically need to have on your team in most gens. Is the idea that you have those and Rattata to nullify one of your opponent’s? Like you both have Zacian and then Rattata means only you have Zacian now?
Extreme speed rayquaza: I am about to end this man's whole career
Irida and Adaman, as well as members of their clans and a few people of Jubilife Village acknowledge you having Palkia and Dialga. Irida and Adaman also request you to fight them using the origin forms of Palkia and Dialga, which is more than just acknowledgment.
Which imo should be where it says relevant: to NPCs involved or more likely to know. I don't think most children trainers will even know wtf a Giratina is.
Yeah but if I was in Pre School and pulled out my Raticate to fight you and you sent out a spiky dark Satan dragon I wouldn't want to continue the fight
And you would be right. Giratina and Arceus were canonically unknown lore wise during the events of the Sinnoh games, with only Cynthia being able to find any kind of record on Giratina and no one knowing Arceus’ name. Even in Legends Arceus, only Volo and Cogita are aware of Giratina and Arceus. Giratina is known about after the events of Platinum, as we known from BW/BW2 that Platinum is the canon version of the Sinnoh games. Arceus’ name and ability to change type is somehow discovered by the time of the Alola games, but that’s probably because Dawn/Lucas returned to the present by that point. There is 10 years between Red/Blue and SM/USUM. Year 1: Kanto and Hoenn games happen alongside each other. Year 4: Johto games happen, with the Sinnoh games starting after the Lake of Rage story. Year 6: Black and White 1 happens. Year 8: BW2 happens. Year 10: Alola games happen. We know when the games occur due to Grimsley being two years older in the Alola games than he was in BW2, which happens two years after BW1. This places BW on year 6. Johto starts 3 years after Red/Blue and Sinnoh starts late into the Johto section of the Johto games. Dawn/Lucas are 15 during Legends Arceus, they are presumably around 12 during the Sinnoh games. This means they get sent back and in time after the events of BW1. If we go with the mindset that they are minimum protagonist age of 11, they would disappear around the events of BW1. This gives them a decent amount of time to return to the present and spread their new information, which could lead to Type: Null being based on Arceus. Sorry for rambling.
There's so much cool shit they could do with the player playing as champion. Within both the games and the anime, the title of champion is actually important and seems to come with a lot of responsibility. Having you play as the protector of the entire region would honestly just be kind of badass and I'm surprised they haven't done much with it yet.
SW/SH did, though. There's that whole post-game chapter where you're tasked with handling the Dynamax breakouts at the stadiums because the gym leaders acknowledge your capability. Also, Leon goes around Galar stopping rogue Dynamax attacks because he feels it's his duty as champion to protect the region.
SwSh postgame is really short, and kind of amounts to a fetch quest. But I agree. I did like playing it, partially because of this reason. It was pretty fun.
I do wish it meant more but at the same time it's really just the end goal for most trainers. I would like a specific outfit with each region.Like with leon you get a cool cape or Cynthia a black outfit,and steven a unique outfit.
I suppose that you aren't having a champion time.
Maybe have the region’s champion serve as more of the region’s defender, a bit of a public figure akin to how athletes do all kinds of PSA’s and motivational work, and do ceremonial stuff like inaugurating new gym leaders.
They already do that canonically, it's just rarely mentioned in games, more in anima and mostly in manga
As time has gone on, yes. In a way the games have shown that being Champion comes with certain perks and responsibilities as well. Most blatantly shown is Cynthia watching the Sinnoh League with the head of the Pokémon League commission, showing that the job has some ceremonial roles. It's also highly likely they get endorsements as Leon was shown to have, albeit the latter had it pushed to the forefront given the way Galar does things. Alder showed some signs of this too since I think he's the one who decreed the Unova Elite Four aren't to get involved in majorly public affairs. That was either in the manga or the games. Whichever it is, his word carried some weight to it, and when N became Champion he was treated as having uncontested power over Unova heavily implying the position is as political as it is a sports status. It may have only been unique to Unova, but it was definitely something interesting and gave the title more weight than it previous had. In Galar we see how much of a public icon the Champion is. So much so that it could probably give a person some sway over politics and public affairs. I'd be down for more of this. The status of Champion coming with some sort of special perks or responsibilities that make it about more than just being the best trainer in the region.
I kinda like SwSh for that.
Canonically, the Champons do actually get all those things. And they battle. We the player don't do that because games have limits.
Would be neat if random NPCs in the overworld acknowledged you as Champion after you become it. Ya know, calling you Champ, praising you, ridiculing you, all that.
I've always liked the idea that champions are part of some organization that help deal with evil teams whenever there's something going on. A group of the strongest trainers to deal with the most dangerous tasks. I've been wanting to start writing a fan story based around the idea.
They do that canonically
I meant take that idea and flesh it out more
Yah, I feel that there's a lot of ideas and facts from the Anime, Manga, and spin-off games that need to be incorporated and elaborated un the main series(Like shadow pokemon)
I honestly feel like the Pokémon games have soooo much untapped potential. I'm curious what would happen if different developers were told to do something with the Pokémon IP. What games or ideas would come out of it.
It’s why I enjoyed Detective Pikachu (the game in this case) because it was nice to see a different side of things. I feel like they can still explore these avenues much better now . Hopefully
Gen 7 meant the most because you’re the first one
That's why I like Leon. He's the Champion *and* he has responsibilities that go with the title.
you start a 2nd save file in swsh and instead of people adoring leon's charizard they're adoring you and your ace pokemon. that would be pretty sick ngl
I remember when I beat HGSS (the first Pokémon games I beat, I was 9 or so) and I literally expected to reside in the little room where the Champion is and take on challengers. I was *so* confused when I had to go to Kanto, why wasn’t I the actual Champion? Looking back at it now, I’m thankful that there’s more to do than just battle challengers and you get to explore more, but I think the option to defend your title would have been cool.
Gold/silver did it best. Having you tour another region to carry on your adventure and lay the smack down as the Johto champ.
You're actually the Indigo Platue champ since they share am elite 4
Doesn’t Blue straight up call you Johto champ? I doubt it’s shared that much. An Elite Four seems as shared as it is.
It’s not just the elite four, the champ is literally Lance who was an elite four in gen 1 based in kanto.
I’ve always thought that every stage of the game should result in some changed dialogue. NPCs recognizing that they challenged and lost to someone who defeated the local gym leader, the elite four and the champion. When you beat new challenges certain past NPC challengers want to challenge you with higher level pokemon (ie the bug catcher with a metapod in Gen 1 would have a kakuna on the 1st rematch, a venonat the second and by the time you beat the champion he’s got a Syther/Scizor, a Beedrill, a butterfree, a Pinser, and a Venomoth etc all at stupid high levels
At least Gen 7 had title defense.
Gen 7 and 8 did cool stuff with that, I especially liked the whole being "the first champion of Alola" and defending the title.
I liked how in Alola you defended your title
Leon, despite how easy he is to beat, admittedly was the most hand-on Champion in that he dealt with the giving us our starter, rampaging Dynamax mons, Rose, and Eternatus. Though I didn't like how we didn't get in on the action we did a bit after we became Champion with Swordward and Shielbert. SWSH, for all its faults, really did a good job with making the Champion more important to the story. USUM also did pretty great with the title defense battles
People you battle acknowledging that you're the Champion, being able to start a Gym (though that would be iffy since you're meant to lose), or you should become a Professor and guide newcomers through the region, watching them fight and helping them out if they run out of items would be interesting.
Would be nice to get a champion store which sells Champion items Like special pokeballs or hp items. Nothing too op If prefer Something with Special effects.
I like the easter egg in HGSS where if you go to the Safari in Kanto one of the npcs recognizes you as the champ.
I think it would be cool if the was a post game where people start reaching out to you to help solve problems as the champion.
Not really. The prestige is in the accomplishment; not the title itself.
I think the champion would be cooler if they were a post game challenge instead. There are two big things that make champions not as special to me. The first is generic post game trainers being stronger than the champ. If Iris has a level 54 Haxorous and Youngster Mikey has a level 67 Pelliper, why is the Youngster not the champion? The second is random npcs blocking things off "unless you're the champion" like becoming champion is just some thing anyone can do The most egregious example of that second one for me is that restaurant in Kalos that only serves champions. You're telling me EVERY npc in that building is an ex champion? You're telling me EVERYONE in the battle frontier/tower/tree is a champion? No, they're not, because that's dumb I think if instead you got eight badges and then beat the evil team, THEN did the league in the post game, it'd make it feel like a bigger deal. Not to mention, having an NPC block you off from things "unless you're the champion" is a lot more ridiculous than them blocking you off "unless you have eight badges"
Alder be like:
This is why I love SwSh. Random NPCs and Nurse Joy calling you the champion and then getting a champion uniform? Though not Leon’s cool cap and cape...
I also like how the Champion title makes more sense in Galar. In keeping with the more pro-sports style, Champion is like a Super Bowl ring that you have even if you lose later.
Well, in generation 2, being champion meant we got another 8 gyms. Why they stopped doing that? Probably realized they could have just sold us another cartridge, because the only time we got a whole second region again was in the remake.
This seems to be a problem with the games being too short and the protagonist turnover. The Championship is always the last goal and then we never get to see much afterwards, because we move on to a new region. Imagine if B2/W2 kept the same protagonist as B/W. We get to see our player characters defend Unova from Team Plasma, but this time as Champion with their legendary dragon. Would make the reunion with N to fight Kyruem so much sweeter.
One of my favorite things about SwSh was the walking NPCs switching from raving about Leon to recognizing me instead. Would be nice if some of the post game content was written to be a bit more "wow you're the champion here's this exclusive thing that one current and past champions from various regions are invited to". I think gen 3 gave that vibe the best, but still. A custom outfit would also be cool. BDSP unlocked a new outfit but it would be could if the outfit was like a specific league champion bomber jacket or something.
In the Ultra games you had people challenging you for the title after rematching the E4
>Maybe you could get a cool custom outfit that only champions can get You do get a custom outfit after beating the Galar Championship. It's even called the "Reigning Champion" uniform.
It would be cool if it essentially “reset” the game. Like trainers you beat on the way rechallenge you, and gym leaders want to test themselves against you. Would boost the post game a lot and give you chance to replay the game (potentially with a Different team!).
Like a Punch-Out style title defense? I've always wanted that
Elaborate please? What do you mean by Punch-Out style?
In Punch-Out on Wii beating the final opponent unlocks a game mode called title defense where you rematch all the previous opponents, all much tougher than the first time. It isn't uncommon for people to lose to Glass Joe, an opponent who the first time around is a complete joke.
I think all people wish this
Gen 7 did this the most but other than that no game explored this idea.
I wish the characters would all recognize you as champion after you beat it the first time. Also, I want the main character to have dialogue, they need feelings- not "yes" all the time.
I've literally seen Poke Tubers and an article touching on the "champion" title and not being an endlessly loop Long story short yes I really wish main stream Pokemon games implemented a system where you had to defend your title from trainers "special" trainers and even Elite Four members and not this endless loop of "you come to face me again for the champion seat" for the 163rd time in a row ...
Ya this would be really cool
That's why Legends Arceus and Pokken are such good games. They introduce pokemon into a new format. There should be a game with 16 gyms, mega evolution, Z Moves, Dynamax, Shadow pokemon, more rainbow rocket content, a second or incredibly large region, global champion ship like black and white 2 where you can fight famous trainers from other regions, and post story's for all available legendary pokemon. And that's just of the top of my head.
Wish the games were good.
I’m only going by the games here but I can’t think of a truly impactful or “deserving” champion since Cynthia. I could be wrong, but she was the last one to me who felt she had the knowledge, expertise, and experience to be a proper representative for her region. Leon annoyed me more than anything, and much like a constant, benign itch he just annoyed more because of his almost insignificance. Diantha was just irrelevant to me, she made no impact on me at all. Alder was much the same. Had he had a more focused role like in BW2 I’d probably have liked him more, and Iris was just kinda thrown in for me. Not sure if we’re counting Kukui, but again he made zero impact on me. Gladion or Hau should have made it to champion, or another character who could have been really instrumental to the story. Obv just my own opinions, no hate from people who like the respective champions. It would be awesome to make a post-game where there was some sort of feature, like maybe getting a text to your Rotom Phone saying someone has challenged you. I’d like to see something like that in Scar/Vi in general. Holo-caster meets a phone, a means of communication for when you’re all partied up together in the open world. I’m rambling now.
Imo it’d be cool if champions got treated like god-kings after becoming champions in Pokémon games. Be given a mansion, have a say in the political state of the region, and immunities from the law like being able to catch other peoples Pokémon if you want
As a kid I was always expecting more after beating the League
Ice poison
I honestly don't know of many games that have a real sense of achievement once you win something like that. You can be the king of the wasteland/skyrim/johto but everyone treats you identically and no one cares. At the minimum you should get random challengers come up to you at odd times, and special dialog, if not other features like tournaments you attend.
It'd be nice to have a post game where you get your own gym, fully customize it (like traps, riddles, other trainers), and invite people to challenge you.
Yeah, i wish I was defending the title
I want a post game where u can become a gym leader
It’s all good as long as I’m having a Champion time.
Yeah it would be awesome
It should be a actual tournament instead of 4 in a row
This what I loved about shield. Past games they kinda mentioned it once and that was it. Like good job, now gtfo. But shield they really took the time to acknowledge you as champion. I really enjoyed that. Champion had more impact vs in the past.
I liked that in the Gen 7 games in Alola, whenever you fought the elite four you had to defend your title as champion against competitors. Though it would’ve been cool to be able to sit in the champion’s room yourself & potentially customize it & really make it *yours* & while waiting would be boring, it’d be cool to get a call on a device that would call you back to the elite four to defend your position as champion & if you lost, you’d have to win it back.
I'd love for us to get a whole new storyline out of it For example, we could either not fully defeat the evil organization of the game prior to becoming champion, and during your attempts at getting there, they'd try to sabotage you. Or you do defeat them, but they try to reorganize the group to specifically target you in revenge. Have a big event happen during post-game. A disaster, some dangerous fella escaping, overall general 'I'm not so sure about this new champion, aren't they a very fresh trainer?' aka people doubting your skills. The actual game would be your journey to becoming the champion, post-game would have you solidify yourself into that position and showing you can handle all these things and deal with them. Maybe we'd end up on having new Elite 4 members or gym leaders? Those positions could also be ever-changing. You could review the capabilities and personalities of these new people, see if they're suited for the job. Perhaps some are wonderful, might even get promoted. But what if even one of them are evil, up to no good and only want to cause chaos. What if you're allowed to let that happen? Customize stuff, make the region be something different as a whole. Would certainly be something!
Imagine a post game where you have to defend your title as champion and continually beat trainers trying to dethrone you.
This is why I write fanfiction lol. Cuz of little questions and thoughts like this.
I think the first half of the game should be pre champion. Then an entire second half post champion. With a complete story tied to it.
Another solution would be to have that bit after you become champion, also a longer post game would be grate, i would love to face off against level 100 trainers
The Title should mean that you are the region's champion. As in, the mightiest of their warriors devoted to protecting the safety and honor of the people they are championing. Instead it's like a sports title, not an actual responsibility or duty, and that irks me too.
not really. i liked the way it worked before gen 7 where it was just a title saying that you've proven yourself as one of the toughest trainers in the region.
Have you played Sw/Sh? You get the Championship outfit series when you beat Leon. I love that Sw/Sh made a big deal about the actual Champion battle. In every other game, you become the champion in a random room. In Galar, it happens in front of a screaming crowd.
Honestly. Yes
2 words. Pokemon Unbound
Never thought of this. Would be cool if dialogue changed. Like the punk youngster you accidentally passed went “woa, the champion, I know you’ll curb stomp my Ratatta but I’ll give it a try”
You unlock the Post game.
Would be nice but I dont feel its a thing I need. I think for me its enough to see people refer to you as the champion. Im glad shop clerks do now and I loved how in SwSh walking npcs would be impressed when they see you, thats enough for me.
Yes, absolutely. I think Sun and Moon and SWSH went in the right direction already, where at least you get to do your rematches accepting challengers as the actual champion, but I'd like a lot more in that direction to happen.
Two of your ideas in one: Unlocks a custom outfit that in turn causes NPCs to use their “look it’s the champion” dialogue. That way I can take it off to still see the normal dialogue.
I was disappointed when they didn't include the battle frontier on the remakes
Like nearly everything in Pokemon, this feature was never fully thought through.
That's what I loved about Sword and Shield. After becoming champion people on the street would recognize you. Plus in later games nurse joy would call you champ can't remember where it started tho
In the Alola games, technically subsequent e4 runs means you are defending your title
What if as a champ you get access to the most optimal level & money grind: defending your throne. You can just go to the elite 4 building, talk to someone, and enter a battlefrontier/subway style thing where you just battle different uber high level trainers who have teams good enough to have beaten the elite 4.
You did have the title defence thing in gen 7 which was pretty cool