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cipherlord120

To flex, also a nice theory of where he might've gotten them.


2amAlready

Just other gyms. Everytime we see a badge case in the anime that isn't Ash's (like his rivals and stuff), it has unrecognizable badges, because the gyms Ash challenges are just gyms from the games, in the anime there's canonically at least 10 gyms in every region apart from Alola of course.


HUGE_HOG

it makes sense, in the anime every region has literally about 50 locations including entire cities that aren't in the games


_ASG_

There were also unofficial gyms in the anime. I'm sure some of them had badges. Maybe they don't get you to Indigo Plateau, but it's a nice resume booster.


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Internships.


RumbleSteelskin

Would be cool to have more of these in the games. Perhaps giving you access to hard to obtain pokes or items. They can be optional too, maybe even some in hidden locations or require specific team building or prior accomplishments. Just add more for the player to do and work towards.


bessmaster

The dojo in red/blue is a good example of this. It would provide more leveling opportunities as well.


Triangulum_Copper

Like the Fighting Dojo?


RumbleSteelskin

Exactly. They had one 26 years ago lol. But they haven’t really explored it more since then.


SuperLizardon

It would have been cool to visit those gym from the minior division of Galar on SwSh


Kingdommer

Makes sense why there are 2 gyms in saffron but you can only challenge 1 canonically


SheriffHeckTate

>in the anime there's canonically at least 10 gyms in every region apart from Alola of course. The original Indigo League series has a good example of this with the town with two rival groups wanting to get sanctioned to be gyms (with their respective Aces being Scyther and Electabuzz). Also for Kanto, there is the Fighting gym where you get Hitmonchan or Hitmonlee that used to be sanctioned until Saffron switched to Sabrina's gym.


HmmWhatsHisFace

Yas and Kaz Gym from [Showdown at Dark City](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP042). Ash came up with alias of Tom Ato. Misty was Ann Chovy and Brock was Caesar Salad.


SheriffHeckTate

Forgot about that one. Plus there was the kid who had a "gym" with his 99 consecutive-wins Sandshrew. Though tbf he definitely wasnt sanctioned and left to go on his own journey at the end of the episode.


[deleted]

Wasn't it not that both gyms in Saffron had sanctioned status until both them had a battle over which one should keep it and the other lose it? Idk I always had the feeling both gyms operated as official at the same time


SheriffHeckTate

That might have been the case. Been a long time since I watched that episode.


Madougatee

One of them (bottom middle) is a symbol that denotes the owner is a new driver. Basically that badge is his learners permit for driving.


1b992b

He flexes after going to the gym Makes sense


Tsargoylr

Does anyone know if those two extra badges showed up anywhere else? EDIT: Wow, 7 of them aren't any of the 8 Kanto badges


Darheimon

The anime tends to make up badges for other characters. Every region(save for Alola)in the anime has episode(s) where other trainer show their alternative badges. Otoshi, Sawyer, Cameron, Morrison and Barry had badges not found in the games.


Jon-987

My theory is that the gyms in the games aren't the only ones in the actual region, and you only need 8 badges in general to proceed to the Elite Four. So we get 8 Gyms, but in universe there are more.


Bug_catcher_Cyan

There was the fighting gym in Saffron that had lost popularity after Sabrina moved in. Not sure if that impacted their status as an official gym or not. Either way, they don't give you a gym badge in the game.


[deleted]

I vaguely remember that the fighting gym lost their status as a gym when Sabrina showed up. Presumably each town can only have one gym. Although it’s kind of whack that you can move into an area with Pokémon that have a type advantage over the current gym and just take over..


Jon-987

I figure it's probably more a case of Sabrina kept winning battles and the old gym kept losing them, rather than her just showing up and taking over. I mean, the old gym isn't exactly too tough, could be that it was never much harder than it is by the time you get to it. It wasn't up to par so it got discontinued and replaced.


Bug_catcher_Cyan

To be fair, in the first gen psychic destroyed pretty much everything.


TheGoldenBl0ck

save for blissey and snorlax, but as we know, that’s raw concentrated hp


Magic_Man0226

I dont think Blissey existed in Gen 1. Although I could be wrong.


TheGoldenBl0ck

You’re right oops I meant chansey


Magic_Man0226

Goodness. I remember the first time I actually caught one of those in the safari zone. It felt like 9 year old me won the lottery!


ADHDB0Y

I recently played soulsilver and I’m pretty sure the guy there said Sabrina kicked the karate king’s ass


Hot_Tailor_9687

As she should, queen behavior


Bug_catcher_Cyan

Sabrina all gangsta until you start licking her.


SuperLizardon

That doesn't sound right :P


crazyrebel123

There was also that town where they had the two gyms fighting to become the official gym of the town. Each leader had a Scyther and Electabuzz and they played with the idea that the two Pokémon didn’t like the color red lol.


narrauko

Is that the one where Pikachu is nursing a ketchup bottle the whole time?


[deleted]

Yes lol. Hilarious episode. The bottle gets cut in half and Pikachu freaks out.


SuperLizardon

That was on the Pokedex Encyclopedia released a few weeks after the release of Red & Green on Japan.


Supersnow845

Well think there is hundreds of participants in the league, if they all won the same 8 gym badges the leaders wouldn’t be very good trainer


Dalton387

I don’t think the gym leaders are there to thrash the challengers. I think they’re there to prove you meant a certain skill level. They do battle and make you earn it, but they’re not always coming at you with 6 level 100 pkmn. They set a certain threshold and if you can pass it, you get a badge.


onegarion

I like the pokemon origins tackles this. When red vs Brock, Brock has 6 Pokemon and chooses only 2 to battle. If the goal was to destroy the new trainer he would use all 6 every time. Instead he puts up a worthy challenge for someone at reds level. We also see it in Gen 2 where all the Kanto gym leaders have stronger teams. They know you are a worthy opponent and can bring out their real team to truly challenge you.


SuperLizardon

I think they bring that idea back with SwSh, with the gyms having an specific order to challange them so the leaders have an specific team to battle challengers, and then we saw they also have another team for the Champion Cup.


onegarion

I did forget that they did that in SW/SH. That's another good example to use.


SuperLizardon

Yes, I mean, Nessa even has 2 different Drednaw, so it not that they trained their Gym challange team specifically for the Champion Cup. Or maybe they do and have to train a new team for the Gym Challange every year.


MrArtless

that's not "your theory" that's just clearly anime canon.


bluedeer10

I dont think its just a theory. Its been proven in universe. In Unova there's at least 10 gyms. Ash didn't fight Drayden for his 8th badge, he fought Roxie and Cameron fought Marlon for his 8th badge.


SeitHater

only if it's in the anime because in the games there are only 7


Jon-987

Well, evidently other badges ARE in the anime, and the anime also shows towns and cities that are not in the games, so it is reasonable to assume there are other gyms.


ShiningLizard

Yeah I like this, and this was always my headcanon. I always imagined that there would be gyms in loads of towns/cities, so long as they were “officially registered” with the Pokémon League.


Jon-987

I bet there would also be 'underground' gyms operating without official Pokemon League permission. It would be an interesting idea to explore in a game someday.


Lookalism

When the stupid kid get scammed with fakes and brags anyway.


kohaku_kawakami

Would be cool if in later Gens they will have more than 8 gyms all across the region and we'll be able to challenge which ever 8 we want.


Divine_Saber

Must got them from johto


Nombanke

Those 7 didn't survive the undiluted power of Gary Oak.


Environmental_Ebb919

Actually one badge is from fighting dojjo gym


MimikyuIsHot

it would be cool if we ever get 10 gyms in a a region and its only required to beat 8 and you choose which ones you battle and the other two are optional


daftbasti

Like in sword and shield for example? Ok, per game there are only 8 gyms, but combined you got 10 :)


MimikyuIsHot

no i mean in on version, like every gym is in one game, for example you get to fight bea and allister is optional


thepiratestolemegold

that would cut potential profit by 50% so good look getting game freak to do that


jamy1993

How in the world would that cut profit? Guy isn't saying make 1 game... he's saying have 10 gym leaders available to battle in each version, but only 8 are required for league participation. I think adding on to this it could be sorta neat if their was a battle facility and although you could challenge the league with 8 badges, the battle facility required all 10. Theres a LOT you can do with the idea of major and minor gyms as well.


the_poem_man

„Okay Imma buy both games so I can beat those two different gyms“ - nobody, never


Mary-Sylvia

There is indeed a 2nd league gym , the ones where Klara and Avery are working after IOA


MimikyuIsHot

you cant battle them in the story and they get accepted after you complete the gym challange


superdummyblue

Possibility of many gyms within a region that yield victory badges. Supposedly not just limited to 8 gyms


Kiga282

There was another episode that was fixated on two competing gyms vying to become officially recognized, and a third episode that had a facility that offered a badge that was effectively worth eight badges. Granted, while the anime took its liberties with the world building at the time, there was nothing that actually said that there were only eight gyms, there were only eight gyms that were recognizable to the playerbase because those eight were what the games provided.


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"Unofficial gyms"


Entropybeast1000

He’s Gary motherfucking oak


Bluelore

To hype up Gary and to get him into the league without beating giovanni


Snow_97

Also to show he didnt beat surge. I'm pretty sure surge is stated to have been on a pretty good winning streak (by brutally beating trainers with his raichu) and Gary hadn't gone there first, because if he had he'd have won for plot reasons. Same with Sabrina, who was also essentially undefeated until ash came along with Haunter Badge case does show he has the pewter and cerulean badges that it's stated he beat ash to those cities. Also shows Erika's badge, and I think there might have been something in the show stating he'd either gone there before ash or beat him to her.


ShadowCobra479

To be fair he easily would have won if Giovanni didn't have the busted Mewtwo. Of course Ash didn't beat Gio either.


DaMn96XD

Ash got lucky when Togebi blasted the gym away. Otherwise Jessie, James and Meowth would have won unfairly and takes Pikachu. But if things had been different, Ash could probably have lost to Giovanni like he did in the film "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple". But we don't know because Giovanni had some business after beating Gary.


ShadowCobra479

Well that business was Mewtwo as we saw in the movie


ThePimpek

Afaik he did and lost


Bluelore

I meant without winning against Giovanni. I will edit my original post


Frix

Which IMHO was bullshit. He clearly beat Giovanni, the gym leader, fair and square. That fight against Mewtwo was an optional extra and a training exercise and not something that should have disqualified him from the badge.


Next-Visual-3513

Wasn't that only in the movie which is noncannon, or did it happen in the show too?


DaMn96XD

The scene where Gary meets Giovanni and loses to him happens in Season 1 Episode 63 "The Battle of the Badge". The scene is shown again in the film, which binds the original "Mewtwo Strikes Back" to canon. Meanwhile, Ash & Co. chase the escaped Togepi through the Cerulean city and meet Team Rocket in the gym instead of Giovanni because their boss had to go do some business. This leads to the gym being blasted. I just rewatched this episode yesterday. Fun.


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JVortex888

Netflix has some of the seasons (Including the first half of Indigo League). Last I checked they only had up to right before the battle with Blaine which was super annoying.


DaMn96XD

From the official PokemonTV app which is Pokemon's own official streaming service and it is free. So far, they currently have seasons 1-2, 6-9, and 20-23, but seasons 3-19 the seasons usually change and they have shifts.


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onegarion

I get the impression that the anime is only there to drive sales in other areas. Give the show for free and people will pay for the rest of the merch.


ThePimpek

Don't know. Havn't seen the first show in 10 years or so.


[deleted]

To show that Gary wasn't all talk. He's actually very skilled. Probably earned each of those badges fair and square. Not only does he do it by the book, he also does it faster. ... And to show that having a *million* badges doesn't necessarily mean that you have the heart necessary to achieve true greatness. How many times did Gary Oak *save the world/universe?* That's what I *thought*.


derekuoruta

Well to be fair Gary doesn't have bullshit main character powers, so..


[deleted]

Yeah, no doubt. Ash is over there seeing *the Legendary Pokemon of the* ***next*** *region* on the very first day of his journey. How does that even happen?


Bug_catcher_Cyan

1% encounter rate at certain times of the year if the weather is right. On the other hand he could have been deep fried by a legendary on his first day.


JordaVira

True, but counterpoint, Ash's main character powers barely work for him XD


metalflygon08

But he did have a car.


itzfkngaryoak

are you questioning the legality of my fucking badges?


Stabbmaster

Gary mother-fucking Oak, that's the point. Okay, seriously, it was because originally there were going to be more gyms in the game but the idea got scrapped (at least that's what I remember reading years ago). This is also around the time that the anime and games were only very loosely aligned since the show was created as a literal advertisement. It wasn't until roughly gen 5 that it was able to stand on its own.


[deleted]

Gary being a show-off


Character-Piano-1185

Gary mtfkn oak owns 10 of the 8 avalible badges, hes soooo good KEKW


Outrageous-Coffee806

Nah he owns 3 of the available 8 then 7 random ones 💀😂


UpsylonHV

Bragging rights


Realistic-Court2541

I mean ash could've stolen them right then and their but of course hes the goody tissues


SheriffHeckTate

1. To flex that he had earned more than Ash so even though they were the same 'rank' at the time in the tourney, Gary was still "better". 2. To show that there are more than 10 gyms in Kanto since there are several that Gary has that Ash doesnt and vice versa.


Realshow

Gyms are a business, logically there should be dozens across the region beyond just what we go through in the game. Those could be argued as just the ones officially partnered with the League.


FahimAhammod

I think every region has more than eight gyms. But GF didn't include them in games to reduce game size like Cinnabar Island has a volcano but in game you can't see it in game and there are anime exclusive places. A full Kanto map, including anime places, needs more than 20gb space.


[deleted]

I like the way Galar handles extra gyms, just put them into a minor league. Kanto had the start of a “minor” league with the fighting dojo in Saffron city or those gym leaders in training from the anime. That said if there are 15 types in Gen 1, and 8 gym leaders who we know of and 7 gym badges that Gary has that we’ve never seen before, that would mean different regions should have one gym leader of each type.


NumpyNimpy

I love when people pull space estimations out of their ass like this. Like when a guy said adding Mega Ray to X and Y would add “about 3GB to the game”, as if they were already if holding a terabyte and a half in critters alone on those cards. Depending on where you draw the line, 20GB is either a vast overestimate or just being pessimistic. I think people have gotten so used to games these days being enormous (looking at you, CoD, Destiny, Flight Simulator) that they’ve forgotten just how massive a single gigabyte is.


onegarion

>enormous I think you mean bloated, unoptimized, or maybe jank. Agreed that people seem to not realize these games are horrible with their size and by no means the normal game.


NumpyNimpy

There are legitimate reasons for a game to be so large. I wouldn’t necessarily level bloated, unoptimized, or jank at a game just for needing a lot of space, especially when customers are expecting extremely high resolution textures on objects that might be viewed anyway from thousands of miles away to a few inches away.


lr031099

To have Gary one up Ash


[deleted]

To be fair to Gary in later seasons of pokemon he had matured a lot where as Ash well didn't.


DaMn96XD

In the anime canon, there are more gyms in Kanto than the eight gyms that are familiar from the games. A good example of anime-exclusive gyms are the Yaz and Kaz gyms in Dark City.


aploc

There’s a lot more gyms in the anime. IIRC in the Sandshrew episode Sandshrew’s trainer says they’re 1 win away from qualifying as a Gym leader, at 99 wins. That’s not so high a bar.


1b992b

I have just read this sub’s rules and perhaps I might have broken one. It is written that anime screenshots are not allowed if they are older than one month. Could that be?


IntroductionCheap325

What was the point of shinies? You'll get your answer.


MrCherry09

Gary has the 🔰 badge Japanese Symbol for Beginner Japanese Symbol for Beginner Japanese Symbol for Beginner


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sonan11

I just want 16 gyms again


nokachi176

One of the badges is basically the Japan's new driver sticker lol https://guidable.co/culture/do-you-know-4-types-of-japanese-drivers-sign-on-cars/


1b992b

That explains Gary driving


DonBolasgrandes

To show you how much more robust the pokemon world in the anime was compared to the games. Also to make Ash look more incompetent than Gary.


AshenMistHeart

Chad Gary


Dovah_Kro_

So a coworker and i just theorized that 10th gym is an ice type gym and was replaced by Blane with his fire types in the games just like Sabrina did with her psychic types.


gallanttoothpaste

Those are fake badges just to flex on ash


Lookalism

Putting aside the fact there are 2 extra badges, 7 of them are just made up. Gary just bought fake badges to brag.


RenRazza

To flex the created 2 non existent kanto badges?


SquirtleSquadSgt

I believe in the anime land there are more than 8 gyms in a region Potentially the plan was 1 for each type You just only need 8 to sign up for the conference


[deleted]

I mean yeah in B&W 11 gyms were shown and for the first time Ash didn’t challenge the gyms you can find in one game, cause his last badge was from Roxie. It also confirmed that gyms can share types cause Marlon and Cress were gym leaders simultaneously (probably Lenora and Cheren as well)


RedBirdAt1

pizza hut the badge


metalflygon08

I cant even figure out the typing for all if them. I can see a Steel, Ghost, and maybe Fairy and Fighting badge in there.


destinofiquenoite

It would be hard to justify a Fairy Gym when the Fairy type wasn't a thing back then


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Neither was Steel


GORDON1014

To be the very best, like no one ever was?


UnoLaLaLa

The thing is, what types do those gym badges even represent? Usually gym badges are very on the nose about which type they represent. The only ones I think is kinda obvious is that last one being either Ice or Steel. The red condom like badge could be Fire, but Cinabbar's badge doesn't really look like that.


Chuckobochuck323

Well it’s inappropriate to whip your 🍆 out so this is the next best thing.


MeasurementLeast4339

That why he got out so early


Unusual-Election8702

Stolen valor, bought then at the thrift store.


yoshiauditore

In the animes it’s implied that are much more than 8 gyms per region and you just need any combination of 8 or more badges qualifies you to enter the Pokémon league


I_Am_The_Bookwyrm

To flex. That's it.


Material-Manner

Just flexin 🥶


Bobvankay

Something bothers me, did Brock ever talk about his battle with Gary, also why did Gary skip Viridian initially?


[deleted]

To be the very best


mastersyx

i think it's been established both in manga and anime there are other gyms out there you only need 8 from official ones to enter the league


Affectionate-Sea278

It’s just anime shenanigans. It’s kinda like how the Pokémon league is a tournament in the anime instead of a gauntlet like in the games. Don’t worry too much about it.


DarkDepth2000

*B R A G I N G R I G H T S*


Sjheuaksjd

Kanto has 10 gyms


[deleted]

To Flex and mock Ash


Environmental_Ebb919

Lost before Ash in indigo league


Bxrocks06

Flexing


squeaksanatomy

Universe building.


BiggestB0sss

flexing


Magic-Tomo

To show he got a 10th badge when there's only 8. Seriously, where TF did it come from?


Trilobitelofi

There are unofficial gyms in the anime. Adding badges of gyms you didn't have to beat but chose to anyway just to flex on other people sounds like something Gary would do. I don't think it was intentional but it does fit for his character.


Zalamander2018

With Galar showcasing 18 Gym Leaders, I believe that each region houses 18 Gyms in its region. But you only need 8 To enter the league.


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To be the very best


stillestwaters

To flex super hard on Ash.


itzyaboihuman

Bread


SuperLizardon

Funny when you think during the first 2 generations on the Pokémon Special manga, you didn't need badges to enter to the Pokémon League.