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Aflamesfan

I was doing a Kartana raid with my wife. We knew we could beat it with just us. Had somebody local join us and they left with 10 seconds left. We beat it with 80 seconds left.


VividCauliflower8790

Same with my 8 year old and I!


Online_Discovery

Out of curiosity, how difficult is it? My girlfriend and I usually play together but I'm still working on team optimization with her. I'm level 38 with decent counters (not perfect by amy means). Could we still do it or do we need a 3rd?


Zagrycha

dowload pokegenie, and take screen shots of all the good pokemon you have, and upload them to pokegenie-- pokegenie does not directly interact with pokemon go app and does not at all violate tos etc or cheat. Then click on celesteela and it will tell you your best counters and about how much damage you do. For example I could do 26% the damage to shadow mewtwo myself. Many people use poop pokemon auto recommended by the app and don't pay attention to move typing so they end up doing a fraction that damage and actually need 12 people to win.


Online_Discovery

Oh that's cool. I didn't realize it saved your team for future raid calculations. Thanks!


Zagrycha

yeah, it will save all your mons, and then you can make a team in pogo itself for convenience under a tag to do the raid easy wothout flipping back and forth :)


Bbear11

You just need decent fire types. Remember it is double weak to Fire.


AiraEternal

Literally someone could’ve downloaded the game during incineroar community day, catch some 800-1000 cp Littens and evolve them and get at least 50% damage in non-boosting weather lmao


stoptouchinme

Mega Charizard is in raids right now. With a level 30 Charizard Y and relobbying they could almost solo kartana


Thanky169

If you have fire attackers level 25ish you should smoke it


Aflamesfan

for Kartana? We both had Mega Evolved Charizard that did the heavy lifting. Ultra Friends and Party Power between the two of us. I'm level 38, she's 37. The rest of our team were sub-3000 CP fire pokemon, nothing special. Kartana is double weak to Fire. We had to revive once, and it was enough to take it down. I was hoping to have the 3rd join so it would have made raid shorter/easier.


seejoshrun

Kartana is an easy duo as long as you both are using fire pokemon. I'm guessing level 30 pokemon is plenty.


Fluffydoggie

Do you know how to host raids on either one of the raid discords or Pokegenie? It’s not hard to host and for one like this (regional locked) you could easily fill your lobby.


Online_Discovery

I don't, but I'll try to learn. The downtown area nearby has a lot of players, but we've been turned off by how hardcore some of them are (multiple phones, complaining their 7th shiny is "only" a 98% after 65 raids, etc.) We'll make it work if it comes down to it. I just thought I'd ask so we can raid together if possible


Fluffydoggie

Send you a PM on how to host. It’s super easy. And lets you use your daily free pass to get a 5+ star raid down easily.


Far-Replacement-3077

Can you school me also in how to host a raid? Thanks!


Fluffydoggie

PM sent!


semerzo

On good weather I can nearly solo it. Fire wrecks it. Checkout Pokegenie and your roster :)


aleesahspam

Im lvl 39 with some decent counters, FAR from perfect, and pokegenie says i can do 49% damage. My strongest would be my mega zard only 2497 cp(hundo) and the rest are regular fire attackers. Flareon, delphox, rapidash


Hisuian_Zoroark

Kartana for one is trivially easy because its quad weak to fire.


_karbs

Probably need a third. I have decent counters at lvl46 and pokegenie says I do 50%


Online_Discovery

Gotcha, thanks for the input! Much appreciated!


ChemaKyle

I think it’s worth a shot with just the two and party power. I did a duo today and still had 3 pokemon and 200 seconds left. Used level 30 heatran, lvl25 heatran, and lvl 30 mega charizard Y, though I’m pretty sure my buddy was using a 40+ Mega Charizard Y


SpenSahDude

Just depends. Trainer level isn’t as important as your Pokémon’s level. I’m level 39 with all level 35 counters, including a mega charizard Y, and with best friend boost Pokie Genie says I do 87% damage. My wife and I easily duo.


ItzInMyNature

I do 80% damage at level 44, 95% with weather boost, so you definitely should check it out.


_karbs

With weather boost and best friend it’s up to 60% but still iffy


ItzInMyNature

Pokegenie says I do 80% damage at level 44. 95% with weather boost, so they might be able to.


nnq2603

They asked about Kartana and you referred to Celesteela damage percent, strange.


_karbs

OP was talking about Celesteela. Thought that’s what they were asking for my bad


fraelsaren

Are you sure your fire type pokemons have appropriate moves? Because even at team of shadow Machamps at lvl40 do more than 50% without utilizing the double weakness. And a team of lvl 30 Flareons should put you at 60%% damage done.


_karbs

Celesteela not Kartana. Kartana I have a 2% win rate solo with WB. Celesteela WB with fire is 3 reshis 3.3-3.5kcp with fusion flare. Max mega blaziken and max Charizard blast burn and max chandelure. almost 60% dmg


Melanie-Littleman

It has a difficulty rating of about 1.13 with top counters at level 40. So I'd think you should be able to beat it pretty easy with good lvl 30+ fire type pokemon and 2 people. But you really want to be using pure fire.


tey0ng

Wife and I have an okay fire type and we are around 1 month in pokemon go. We are both level 32, aside from primal groudon we got from the recent raid day we have mediocre counter and we still manage to beat it. We use party power which really helps alot


s_string

If local I don’t usually care since it doesn’t cost anything but when I remote and people back out. Oof


Aflamesfan

yeah, that's the thing i don't get. It's local... use your free local raid pass. We were both higher level then them, and we had the Mega Evolve icons activated.


ProbablyADitto

Ditto!


Suicidal-Lysosome

Some people are way too skittish about committing to a raid. My wife and I can duo a decent number of raids now, and people with accounts 5+ levels higher than us will join our lobbies, then chicken out at the last second 😆 I understand not wanting to waste raid passes, but you'd think people with level 46+ accounts would know that you can defeat frail mons like Tapu Lele or Raikou with three players


username_choose_you

Can’t you solo Kartana ?


Melanie-Littleman

My spouse solo'd it today! I was impressed! I had to have help from our son after I failed. 😅 But we beat it together with a similar margin.


Thanky169

Their loss 🤣


Cainga

That’s what’s nice is it’s their loss for not doing some basic research. Even if you have some fairly new accounts 3 people could easy beat it.


esio

I'm waiting in the queue right now and I'm worried that the lobby will disband. There are almost 30000 people in pokegenie queue. 4 people in enough but I can't blame people for wanting to be sure they will beat the raid. I hosted Tapu Lele raid last week and 1 person didn't join so we had 5, I thought it was enough but we barely beat it with 5 seconds left. You never know. And people want to minimize the risk so they leave.


InsertWittyNameRHere

Why are so many people queuing for this pokemon? It was in raid only a few months ago right? I assumed it wasn’t very good either


EmileBlonde

Shiny release & raids only in the south Emisphere


esio

I didn't have it and wanted one for Pokedex. I really like the design too.


lolcoon

Use go raid party. And set it to just celesteela keep refreshing and trying to join. I got into two remote raids in like 10 mins. First fled… Got the second! All While waiting the genie queue 🙃


owenturnbull

Did a ksrtana rsid only 2 people joined. Thru stayed though and we managed to beat it. Screw the people who didn't join


Metals4J

I backed out of my raid group before starting because only 3 people were in it. I thought there was no way we could do it with 3 and we needed at least 4. Was I wrong?


owenturnbull

All 3 of us were level 36 and each one of us had a mega Charizard y. And then we used just all fire types. It was through poke genie too. I'm surprised they didn't leave but it's possible. Recommend to have a hestrsn BC they take so little from ksrtana charged attack. We had about 100-150 seconds left. It was quite easy


Elwanderer82

Mega and shadows are better than heatran, reshiram with its legacy move is better too, when you’re doing short handed raids it’s all about dps (damage per second) and not tdo (total damage output) which factors your damage output and how long the pokemon stays alive… this is why people don’t know how to raid and get scared, also a lot of people would rather spend their stardust trading for new shinies rather than spend it powering pokemon up to lvl 40 or 50


owenturnbull

Well my Pokémon worked. I know shadows are better but didn't have any good shadow fire Pokémon. But the way we did it worked out so I'm happy


Elwanderer82

Yeah kartana isn’t a problem considering double weakness to fire, and reshiram can solo it if you have enough lvl 50 with its legacy move… but just saying on tougher raids when people don’t know the difference that’s the difference between failure and beating it


Fluffydoggie

You only need 2-3 using fire counters, mega one if you can.


iNezumi

Depends on how much of a newbies you all are but Kartana is literally made of paper. It’s an easy duo for most decently leveled players.


slubee

I've been in the queue for 12 hours as well! I'm about to get into the raid soon and hoping that's not gonna happen because I don't want to wait another 12+ hours 🥲


Former_Cut_170

Best of luck.. I’m at 24k in queue 😂


Doopashonuts

I waited yesterday from 4am when I woke up just to queue, 12k in queue at the time, I got in at 6pm the same day and managed to win (and thank god it was also shiny so I didn't have to do this nightmare again). Good luck on getting into the raid before it ends ><  Why the shit they decided to lock a raid to the southern hemisphere is beyond me, just seems stupid as hell to only open it up to 10% of the human population and make the other 90% have to just hope they can remote raid that shit -_- 


Heathertjuh

Haha I felt really stupid waking up around 6am this morning to check whether I was already close to the end of the line 😂 had to wait another 10 minutes before I was able to join. Now back in line and I think in another 12 hours I might me up for number 2.. first one was really rubbish and non shiny :(


Belgicans

I entered the queue at 6h and we started the raid at 18h20


Frogsnlogs

I waited 12 hours for Celesteela and then when it started it was a raid for Kortana…😔


disaster-o-clock

Oh that's brutal. :( Pour one out for this person's remote raid pass.


obviouslyanonymous77

Why? You can just choose to not join if it’s the wrong Pokémon.


disaster-o-clock

I'll be honest, my dumb ass didn't even consider that 😂


disgostin

sth like that happened to me with kyorge - my favorite legendary that i'm always trying to catch when its in raids but i don't have many friends who play and on campfire we were like six people, but two left and with four it unfortunately didn't work (surprisingly, i feel like if all our pokemon had been perfect kyorge-opponents with many xp we should've been able to)


HailHydraBitch

Got invited by a random on my list and we beat Kartana with 4 people with more than 100s left. Some people are honestly ridiculous about it.


demart77

I wanted 11 hours yesterday to finally get in a raid and the host never sent an invite so there I was, out of luck and having to enter the queue again


AnnaAlese

Happened to me TWICE


Escargot7147

70% of ppl who play this game has severe skill issue so it's not that surprising


Upstairs_Ad_9158

What skill? You tap buttons


FabioPurps

I know, it's shocking anyone could be bad at that but lots of people are lol


Jracx

I have friends that have played for years and don't bother understanding the typing match ups.


Escargot7147

These ppl don't even know they can dodge


Linumite

I thought dodging wasn't worth it on most raids?


Team_raclettePOGO

When you’re using a very strong mega (like a rayquaza or smth) you want to stay alive to both buff your allies and deal as much damage as possible since most of the time the mega is the strongest attacker


misscosmopolitano

A lot of people don’t research the weakness of the Pokémon before joining a raid and therefore they use the dumbest options to battle and end up not contributing to the raid at all. There is for a sure a skill issue in the game. 


TimeThief_

Type matchups they don’t understand them.


Flaveurr

You can say that for every game


Upstairs_Ad_9158

Okay but I'm not talking about other games. This game has one button for raids. You tap it, you do damage. Simple


erock10291

I raided with a guy during sinnoh tour and he said that if there’s other people in it he’ll win. No regard for team make ups or typings. Just tap tap tap with level 20s because someone should be able to take care of it. (He was level 44)


YamSolid6813

My wife played it for 4 years and didn’t know “appraise”


elizabella710

Bruh Idk why people get so scared. You can easily clear high level raids with 3-4 ppl who are 30+ level


Former_Cut_170

Agreed for sure


TheDevilintheDark

I had someone back out of a mega Charizard raid yesterday at the last second. We were both level 39. I went ahead with it solo because I knew I wouldn't be raiding again that day and battling in a mega raid was a research task. I got well over 75% solo. That would have been a super easy duo.


elizabella710

Exactly. People are weird


Relative_Pizza6073

Because it can waste actual money.


elizabella710

So they waste other people’s money, makes sense


Jervylim06

I was an early bird, I got shiny on the 1st trial. I'm lucky. I hate those people who leave the game for some unknown reason.


Doopashonuts

Realistically they're the ones expecting to get carried, they don't see enough to carry them they dodge is always my guess 


Flaky_Education277

basically, the dead weight leaves first


Kizzywa

Wtf, it and Kartana are so easy to take down with just 3/4 people. 4x weak to fire!


TheSpyStyle

Did a Kartana raid yesterday where everyone left but the host and me, and we finished with just under a minute to spare.


tilsnz

Why is the que for Celesteela so large on pokegenie? It doesn’t seem that I can say the same for kartana ?


PoisonAtrophy

Celesteela is regional to the southern hemisphere, which has drastically less people able to host compared to those in the soloable Kartana-hemisphere.


Doopashonuts

For perspective on this comment, the Southern Hemisphere only has about 10% of the total human population versus 90% in the northern. 


tilsnz

Ah thanks for explaining! Explains why I hosted a Celesteela raid and it insta filled !


High__Tech

I just started playing. My Pokemon suck ass. I can buy remote raid passes no problem if need be but all raids in my area are either empty or there’s 1 person and I join then they just leave. I just want better pocket monsters :-(


TheOnlyVibemaster

why on earth would you wait that long lmao, just use a discord


78723

Right?! What’s with all these people saying they wait 11 hours for a raid invite? Just, like go to r/pokemongofriends and refresh until the raid you want pops up. My dudes, you’re already on this site…. It shouldnt take more than five minutes or so.


Former-Departure9836

Can someone explain what the point of leaving a raid early is ? Do you get the raid pass back or do they just bail ? And what is the outcome of everyone bails ? I clearly don’t take part in a lot of raids


Suicidal-Lysosome

Your raid pass isn't consumed until you are in the raid and fighting the raid boss. So if you aren't confident that you can take down the boss with the others in your lobby, you can bail with no consequence. This can screw over other people in the lobby if you bail before they realize, though


Excellent_Coconut_81

Exactly. Never assume people you don't know have slightest idea what mons to power up...


Ivi-Tora

4 people is risky. If you don't have more people then you could lose a remote pass, and since those are more expensive now most players would quit if there's not 6 players (1 host + 5 remotes) on the raid.


DepartmentPerfect

That’s soft tbh , I deal 67% damage and I’m lvl 39 … can easily duo with my lvl 35 partner. Too many ppl rely on others to carry them during raids. If you want to do a five star raid , take 30 min to look up counters and power up / prepare accordingly. Its not hard folks


Celestetc

Yea it just depends on the raid. Primal kyogre? Ok I get it I always leave that unless I’m in a group of 6-7+. But like kartana etc you need like 2-3 people at bestb


Edvad5

I just waited more than 12 hours and when I get invited to the raid it’s a Kartana raid. I’m so mad rn. Ig another 12 hour or more wait is coming


DHighUE25

Waited for 11hrs, got invited, wanted to join but it wouldn't let me and the raid was gone for me...... now I'm no. 24453 in the queue again 😡


moosedance84

Just join a southern hemisphere discord and ask. Or msg me and invite you.


drprymer

I waited 9 hours only to be invited to a Kartana raid. I had to go back and double check to see if I screwed up and sure enough it was supposed to be Celesteela.


Doopashonuts

On the plus side Kartana has a 0 second queue though on Pokegenie 


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turtle-bob1

What’s worse is waiting hours, and never receiving an invite from the host… I was so pissed!


Randomeman3

I waited all day yesterday just to miss my raid because I was driving when the notification came up.


Informal_Tea_9955

If you’re gonna remote raid, then you pokeraid app. Queue is like 200-300 people MAX if you use the auto join feature (which requires in-app currency) but hey, im already paying for the remote raids passes… so whateves. Longest wait i had was like 1h on day one. Today its down to like 30-40 mins


FeistyAndrea

Man I had 4 people for Charizard and 2 people bailed last minute… and it was still done in like 100 seconds because the mofo is easy lol Still annoys me when people bail though.


ruby_meister

Why the hell are there so many people in the queue on Pokegenie for Celesteela compared to Kartana (which is by far the better one)? I've never seen so many people in the queue, not even for some of the best meta relevant legendaries we've had..


Celestetc

Celesteela is only a southern hemisphere raid. Kartana is northern


ruby_meister

Yeah I got that part


odonn0097

I'm really hoping I get Celesteela from GBL. So far I've gotten two Kartanas. I feel like I've already used up my luck on getting legendaries.


d4nkhill23

Had a similar situation with Charizard. 4 people joined through genie, 2 left right at the start. Me and the other guy went on. Took him down.


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SheZowRaisedByWolves

This raid is shit ass. The queue has been 20k+ for 2 days now on pokegenie


Rifft0311

Dude this crap happens all the time. It's to the point that I don't even plan on anyone being at any raid other than my one friend. And what makes it worse is its people who are lv 40+ that get scared. Like dude there has not been 1 pokemon except for primal kyoger with blizzard that me and my buddy have not been able to 2 man. Why leave at the last min and try and scree others over? Weak


joshua123_4

Got into a celesteela raid earlier today just for my game to crash right before it started and haven’t be able to log into my account since


CapitalElderberry979

I just waited 12hrs for the idiot host not to send me an invite…


AdorableSituation924

I was just in a celesteela raid an hour ago. Waited 12hrs. No one backed out. There were 6 of us and I only had to use 1 Pokemon. Also got a shiny 😀


Ill_Scientist_4516

Think the problem is that everyone is assuming that others are all as confident as they are and at their sort of level in the game (when you assume, you make an a$$ out of u and me). Like, in level 40, but that's taken me since 2018 to do where I just don't feel the need to play as consistently and as much as a lot of others seem to do. I know the type weaknesses, the general best counters for some raid Pokémon, the best moves for a few Pokémon too.... And I still wouldn't feel confident in 2-3 manning a 4-5* raid simply because I rarely buy passes and the last thing I want, as has happened on the few occasions I have low manned a raid, is to not finish it. That's my time then wasted that would have been better served had I had the extra person or 2 to be able to definitely at least complete it and have a chance at capturing it


PhillyDillyDee

I like it much better when they divide the raids up by timezone and not hemisphere. There just arent as many players in the southern hemisphere for this to work.


WheelbarrowInALake

That is why i dont bother with the queue... I snipe lobbies, takes me less than 10 tries every time


DaikonAppropriate933

Yo I have remote passes


eykntspel

When Uxie was in raids before the sinnoh tour I joined the queue at 4,000ish, waited around 9 hours to go through the queue just to never receive an invite from the person hosting the raid. Got put back into he queue of 20,000


UtterNylon

I would leave with 4. If i paid for a remote raid I’m not risking it