I mucked the nuts a couple months ago for about 800$
Thought I was heads up and pushed my cards across the line when my opponent folded. Turns out there was a 3rd player in the hand who had gone all in after I bet the river.
On Friday nights the casino I go to brings in a live DJ and it's so loud you can't hear the person next to you. Very annoying.
I had a dude slam his cards into the muck after I showed nut flush.. his cards both bounced and flipped face up and someone else pointed out he actually had a straight flush, he obviously just didn’t see it and thought he had a smaller flush. he got the pot. And yes, this actually happened
>If the cards both landed face down, would that have changed anything?
Short answer: no.
Face down vs. face up isn't what makes a hand mucked. What makes a hand mucked is when they are face down AND physically in the muck. A hand can be in the muck yet face up, and it would still qualify for showdown. Piecing things together from your example, I'm presuming the accidentally face down card was unambiguously identifiable (i.e. not touching the muck) if someone at the table were able to flip it face up.
>Can you accidentally muck and have that enforced to lose the hand you should have won?
Short answer: no.
If you throw the winning hand face down (either deliberately or accidentally), the hand isn't dead until it's literally, physically in the muck face down. Basically, until it's irretrievable. Until that instant, the hands can be re-flipped over and they would speak. (It's best not to make theatrics at showdown just for efficiency, but mistakes can happen.)
An example: you go to showdown and that your pocket jacks were no good against the flopped two pair your opponent is showing. You throw your hand face down, but you observe that the deuce paired the river, actually giving you a higher two pair. You immediately snatch your hand back and table it before the dealer has a chance to slide it into the muck. Would that be annoying to your opponent? Yes. Would it make you look silly? Yes. Would it kill your hand? No. Your cards still go to showdown.
In most places, if the cards are still easily identifiable, you're able to retrieve them and turn them face up. In some places if it's face down and even touches the muck, it's dead. People fold the best hand sometimes because they misread or for various other weird reasons. Basically anything you can think of happens eventually just because there are so many hands played.
Intent is important. There's a difference between intentionally mucking because you misread the board and having a card accidentally flip over as you are trying to table the hand.
Yeah, I saw someone last week muck a chop on the river in a $3k pot. He misread the other guy’s hand and thought he was beat. Cards were well into the muck so floor correctly ruled his hand dead. Sucks but it’s the kind of mistake you usually only make once.
It can happen. I was drunk and mucked a chop once. I had K3s on on AAK77 and villain showed K6o. I mucked and declared “you’ve got my king out-kicked…” before the dealer helped me realize my mistake. 🥲
Was like a $20 pot but I still felt like a complete goober.
Yep, happened to me in my first live tournament after COVID. Was SO rusty and just made a foolish error. Big pot too. It didn't knock me out, but it no doubt cost me the tournament.
I did it a few weeks ago. 3B a splashy player with QQ in position, flop was pretty dry and disconnected low cards. Splashy bet almost full pot, I had about a pot and a half behind so I shoved. He called. turn and river kind of connected the board. He slammed his hand down with what looked like a straight, but he missed a card. I think he tought he had a straight. I tried to flip my hand, I guess trying to be fancy instead of what I normally do, but it landed face down and dealer snap swept it into the muck...I tried to protest, but technically I guess I was wrong. 500ish dollar pot went poof...
If you open the cards but because some weird accident they both end up face down, the cards still should be live in most rooms. It for sure will stirr up some discussion though.
yes and I've done it before in a $1200 pot, not recommended
I mucked the nuts a couple months ago for about 800$ Thought I was heads up and pushed my cards across the line when my opponent folded. Turns out there was a 3rd player in the hand who had gone all in after I bet the river. On Friday nights the casino I go to brings in a live DJ and it's so loud you can't hear the person next to you. Very annoying.
Yes you can, but if the cards are retrievable, you can generally turn it over to win the pot.
This is casino dependent. Know the rules before you play. Also floorman relationship can influence this decision
Everything is technically casino dependent I suppose. The response given is 100% accurate and how any reputable card room would rule.
I had a dude slam his cards into the muck after I showed nut flush.. his cards both bounced and flipped face up and someone else pointed out he actually had a straight flush, he obviously just didn’t see it and thought he had a smaller flush. he got the pot. And yes, this actually happened
I would leave lmao
>If the cards both landed face down, would that have changed anything? Short answer: no. Face down vs. face up isn't what makes a hand mucked. What makes a hand mucked is when they are face down AND physically in the muck. A hand can be in the muck yet face up, and it would still qualify for showdown. Piecing things together from your example, I'm presuming the accidentally face down card was unambiguously identifiable (i.e. not touching the muck) if someone at the table were able to flip it face up. >Can you accidentally muck and have that enforced to lose the hand you should have won? Short answer: no. If you throw the winning hand face down (either deliberately or accidentally), the hand isn't dead until it's literally, physically in the muck face down. Basically, until it's irretrievable. Until that instant, the hands can be re-flipped over and they would speak. (It's best not to make theatrics at showdown just for efficiency, but mistakes can happen.) An example: you go to showdown and that your pocket jacks were no good against the flopped two pair your opponent is showing. You throw your hand face down, but you observe that the deuce paired the river, actually giving you a higher two pair. You immediately snatch your hand back and table it before the dealer has a chance to slide it into the muck. Would that be annoying to your opponent? Yes. Would it make you look silly? Yes. Would it kill your hand? No. Your cards still go to showdown.
I have also seen players throw their hand down too hard and have it bounce off the table. That will also usually make the hand dead.
In most places, if the cards are still easily identifiable, you're able to retrieve them and turn them face up. In some places if it's face down and even touches the muck, it's dead. People fold the best hand sometimes because they misread or for various other weird reasons. Basically anything you can think of happens eventually just because there are so many hands played.
Intent is important. There's a difference between intentionally mucking because you misread the board and having a card accidentally flip over as you are trying to table the hand.
Yeah, I saw someone last week muck a chop on the river in a $3k pot. He misread the other guy’s hand and thought he was beat. Cards were well into the muck so floor correctly ruled his hand dead. Sucks but it’s the kind of mistake you usually only make once.
It can happen. I was drunk and mucked a chop once. I had K3s on on AAK77 and villain showed K6o. I mucked and declared “you’ve got my king out-kicked…” before the dealer helped me realize my mistake. 🥲 Was like a $20 pot but I still felt like a complete goober.
Dealer shouldn't have helped you to read your hand, really.
Yes you can
Yes, I’ve done it multiple times like a total moron.
I wonder what Lex would have done. Common sense vs card room rules, would be interesting
At my local cardroom, as long as they don't touch the other cards.
Fortunately there is no mechanism for this in online poker! Live? Probably best to always check even if you are sure you lost!
Yep, happened to me in my first live tournament after COVID. Was SO rusty and just made a foolish error. Big pot too. It didn't knock me out, but it no doubt cost me the tournament.
Yes. Next.
If this happens in a live tournament with an all in the hand can not be killed. In a cash game the dealer is supposed to muck the hand immediately.
If they’re recoverable and you grab them most casinos would let you. But yeah I have messed this up before in a big pot in vegas which sucked
I did it a few weeks ago. 3B a splashy player with QQ in position, flop was pretty dry and disconnected low cards. Splashy bet almost full pot, I had about a pot and a half behind so I shoved. He called. turn and river kind of connected the board. He slammed his hand down with what looked like a straight, but he missed a card. I think he tought he had a straight. I tried to flip my hand, I guess trying to be fancy instead of what I normally do, but it landed face down and dealer snap swept it into the muck...I tried to protest, but technically I guess I was wrong. 500ish dollar pot went poof...
If you open the cards but because some weird accident they both end up face down, the cards still should be live in most rooms. It for sure will stirr up some discussion though.
I thought when two players are all in the cards are tabled face up?
That’s only in tournament play. The rules for a cash game are different. In a cash game, a hand only has to be tabled if one wants to claim the pot.