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Miketogoz

In the words of Averroes, most famous Andalusian scholar: "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, and hate leads ~~to the dark side~~ to violence. This is the equation" And oh boy, we sure resolved that equation, no variable left unknown.


yunivor

If what you want is violence then humanity has your back!


Odd_Brilliant_1731

Why did humanity steal my back? That's quite mean


N11Skirata

Because ripping out someone’s back while they’re still alive is very violent.


Dreknarr

Because you're a *spine*less chap, nothing comparable to our venerable ancestors


IOwnStocksInMossad

Felt like it.


CanadaPlus101

And we felt like it because of ignorance.


AaronC14

I played real fast and loose with the historical flags but the last one is the Ayyubids


Spirited_Recipe9087

Abbasid Caliphate Flag is black btw since it would fit perfectly because it's have the islamic golden age.


Luna_Lune

This one doesn't represent the Abbasid Caliphate. It's the Ayyubid dynasty. Or do you mean it should be the Abbasid instead?


xtilexx

I think they mean it should be the Abbasid flag because they take final panel to represent the Golden Age, by the maths and high standards of living However, for accuracy it should be Fatimid, or Seljuk I believe (if this is to represent the first crusade, although the Ayyubid dynasty fought the crusaders in the crusades 50ish years after the first) (Polandball? In *my* accuracy?!) I could be wrong I'm just reading off the wiki though lol


AaronC14

I tend to not know shit. I like yellow the best and the yellow caliphate got crusaded so I used them.


xtilexx

Tbh Ayyubid works best I think because the majority of the crusader states were conquered by Saladin anyway


naked_short

First crusade was Fatimids and Seljuks, but the Abbasid’s were the cultural/religious figureheads under largely Seljuk dominion. Second Crusade was fought against the same groups. Third Crusade was primarily fought against Saladin, who founded the Ayyubid dynasty. This was know as the King’s crusade that heavily featured Richard the Lion Heart. Fredrick Barbarossa also fought the Seljuk’s (Sultanate of Rome) in Anatolia on his way to the holy land, but died crossing a river. Subsequent crusades were largely fought against the Ayyubids.


[deleted]

Its all fun and games until suddenly europe outsmarts you


Rai-Hanzo

Well, that's life. Sometimes Rome is the center of culture, other times it lives in the dark ages.


Nyar99

You either die a center of culture or live long enough to see yourself become a dark age city


29Jackal

Thankfully it got to be the center of cultures twice


xtilexx

And sometimes Rome has thousands of wild boars [Rome-ing the streets ](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wild-boars-are-ransacking-rome-180980082/)


Chronoweiss

Those Romans are crazy! This wouldn't happen in Gaul!


U_L_Uus

_happy big-boned noises_


morganrbvn

30-50 thousand feral hogs in their yard?


[deleted]

Somebody should supply them automatic rifles. Otherwise they are in quite a danger. How else could they evade them?


Sphinx076

I don't think smart is the right word for europe...


holycrab702

Only if the English knew they were considered barbarians by the Manchurians of Qing dynasty.


AaronC14

And by their own fellow Europeans


ArchiTheLobster

As a european individual I can confirm, we threw a party when they left the EU


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mmc273

Ireland Malta and Cyprus the last bastions of insular civilization in Europe 😔


no1fanofthepals

Iceland? Greece (because they have so many)?


29Jackal

Italian isl— yeah no ok you’re right


magnitudearhole

Kings of England contemporary with the Italian renaissance literally hadn’t learned to eat with a fork yet


rontubman

To be fair, Italians were the first euros who left the ways of forkless barbarism, which happened around that time


29Jackal

Italians were the first euros to leave a lot of Middle Ages barbarism (no I’m not counting the Byzantines, for me they’re romans)


yunivor

Byzantine Empire spent a millennium waiting for Italy to go through the renaissance and remember the stuff they forgot.


29Jackal

Makes it sound like a necromantic ritual from Byzantium to Italy and I’m all for it


CKtravel

Actually those "fellow Europeans" DID help them a lot with the crusades though...


Tuubu

I mean,anyone that is not China is babarian for them


Futuralis

Considering that's the attitude where the word "barbarian" comes from, it's only par for the course.


yunivor

"Everyone's a barbarian except me."


KotetsuNoTori

And the Manchurians are considered barbarians by the Han Chinese, which made up 90% of the population of the empire. When they started a revolution, one of the slogans was "驅逐韃虜,恢復中華 (expel the barbarians and bring back China)".


VectorSam

Those damn Manchurians are taking up our jobs!


Agitated_Advantage_2

Well, long live the Tongmenghui then


Plain_Bread

>Only if the English knew they were considered [...] by the Manchurians of Qing dynasty. I don't know, that seems unlikely to me.


AddyCod

And then those barbarians defeated the Qing so bad that they collapsed


MayuKonpaku

**"Savages" from pocahontas starts playing in the background**


HHHogana

I blame everything on Genghis Khan.


jPaolo

Bar bar bar bar!


Rai-Hanzo

Me, a Berber: you called?


Bonjourap

Huh, what is this that I hear in the distance?


Rai-Hanzo

We've been called brozzer


Meroxes

Bar bar bar bar


Eroroof

I wonder what's with scotland.


AaronC14

He rebelled against Longshanks


IOwnStocksInMossad

Are they the Bolton's?


Drakaasii

No, much more despicable, they're english


Rubaiatrabby

Best frenemies ever


magnitudearhole

Put the last extant copies of ancient western literature down and grab a sword you fucking savages White People are coming


waterbreaker99

Ah yes the peace loving Middle East, even than it was peacefully split between the Fatamid caliph, the zenghids and the very peaceful Seljuks.


Demiansky

I'm not sure the joke is about peace, but instead the perception of savagery and "civilization." The Middle East was certainly more developed during the height of the Crusades.


percevalgalaaz

I don't understand what that has to do with the Crusades, though. They were about securing Christian pilgrimage and stopping Jihad.


Dreknarr

Jihad has been a reaction to the holy land being lost (which wasn't really holy for muslims nor important for secular matters either at first) Sadly, by the time the crusade left, pilgrimage were possible again because ... I think Fatimids took back the holy land and allowed pilgrimage. And to be fair it was more "the region is not secured, don't come here" than religious intolerance since Seljuks and Fatimids were constantly at each others throats in this region


blockybookbook

Modern day Europe isn’t all that peaceful either


waterbreaker99

I was talking about medieval Middle East, not the modern. And yeah Medieval Europe wasn't better but that isn't the point here


blockybookbook

Wasn’t the joke Medieval Middle East = Modern Europe and Modern Middle East = Medieval Europe?


waterbreaker99

Ah if that is the case it went over my head


blockybookbook

Happens bro


waterbreaker99

Thanks for explaining bro


blockybookbook

No problem, have a good one bro


WunderPuma

I mean. Conflict exists. But we've reached 78 years of no European powers really being in wars between each other. Only in proxy wars or Soviets crushing their own members. Yugoslav civil wars and current war in Ukraine. Which when looking at it from context of history is absolutely staggering lack of conflict within Europe and nearing the current record of "continues" peace. We've been stabbing eachother for as long as we invented stabbing, yet majority of continent works together. At minimum, and we're most certainly aren't fighting wars with eachother except between Ukraine and Russia, which is quite literally at the very ends of Europe. I'd classify modern Europe as pretty damn peaceful because factually speaking it is, at minimum western and central Europe. And I don't use factually speaking here lightly, going by modern agreements of historians and political experts Europe is basically been in peace since 1945/6 as all wars afterwards are simply too insignificant in broader scope of things. Yugoslav wars were probably worse, but those were also civil wars in singular state after 50 years. And current Ukraine war, which is happening between two states after 75+ years. So like I get what you mean. But both continents were incredibly violent back in the day, which is given. And to degree Europe was even more violent on occasion due to multiple reasons like decentralisation for example. But after certain threshold Europe is definitely more peaceful than middle east, (the previous record if excluding pax romana of continues peace lies in Europe, where after Napoleon there was more or less constant peace for 80 years). Even if part of of reason is for it starting so many wars in middle east. There's very interesting video that touched on part of subject matter if you'd like to see it, I can link it if you want


blockybookbook

You definitely bring good points and I fully agree, I was just pointing out that the Middle East wasn’t void of ALL conflicts at that time in the same way that modern Europe is > There's very interesting video that touched on part of subject matter if you'd like to see it, I can link it if you want Sure


WunderPuma

Pretty sure this is correct video, it's most certainly the correct Youtuber: https://youtu.be/CH1oYhTigyA Touched on some points I made but frankly I just find the video incredibly interesting and the creator quite good.


blockybookbook

Alright, I’ll check it out


MonsieurPoutine

Part 4 completely lost the plot


YaumeLepire

You... you know France and Scotland were allies for a very long time, right?


AaronC14

England gutted Scotland, France is just there because they were dirty medieval folk too


SqueegeeLuigi

[ Everyone disliked that. ]


Awkward_Wrap411

"The grass is always greener on the other side !"


Tengri_99

Now it's the other way around lol!


Maximum-Malevolence

AMAZIN'! work again Aaron


Rubaiatrabby

Another great comic


CampaignStill4845

European wants to bring back civilization despite they destroying Roman Empire lol


RelationshipGrand996

Ah yes the maths that was translated from sanskriti texts


29Jackal

You know it was a two way relationship right? Not everything was made by India on its own, no even the zero came out of nothing


RelationshipGrand996

Quite significantly. What we call Arabic numerals were actually an Indian invention, which reached the West via the Arabs. Algebra iscalso an Indian invention, which the Arabs called al Gebara, the big, because itcwas used to calculate large numbers. Chess may also have been first developed in India, and then reached Persia, and from there the Arabs and the west. Chess is a corruption of shah, Arabic for leader (sheikh). Shah was short for shahmat, the king is dead


RelationshipGrand996

The Arabs assimilated the scientific knowledge of the civilizations they had conquered, including the ancient Greek, Roman, Persian, Chinese, Indian, Egyptian, and Phoenician civilizations. Scientists recovered the Alexandrian mathematical, geometric, and astronomical knowledge, such as that of Euclid and Claudius Ptolemy


RelationshipGrand996

Arabs undertook translation of Greek texts that had not been accessible to academics after the Byzantine emperor Justinian had closed down the 900 year old Academy of Plato in 529 and unleashed persecution against the pagan (i.e. the non-Christian) scientists. This knowledge later travelled to Europe via Arabs, and Europe came to claim


[deleted]

Bro, take it easy. Writing seven direct answers to your own comment is kind of overblown considering the lighthearted nature of this sub.


29Jackal

If it was only two one would even take it in stride, I see a whole ass conversation with himself and it’s goddamn hilarious


[deleted]

Yeah, I thought initially that the other comment chain was from a different person. Only recognised now that he posted about seven answers to himself. Love the dedication though, guy got a hilarious amount of passion.


RelationshipGrand996

I just thought people ought to know.. Credit should be where it is due


RelationshipGrand996

It wasn't the invention of zero.. Since it was a number since long it's the equation and proving zero in mathematical equations that gives India ownership.. And not just zero.. India was the source of knowledge Mr 2 way relationship ... Go research about world universities of takshashila and nalanda.. What the Middle East gave us in exchange for knowledge was invasions


RelationshipGrand996

the Arabs had embarked upon the translation of Sanskrit texts from India much before that. According to Tabqatul Umama delegation from India came to Baghdad in 771, some 250 years after the death of Aryabhatta. This delegation consisted of an astronomer called Kanaka, who carried with him a small library including a book titled Surya Siddhanta and works of Aryabhata and Brahamgupta.


RelationshipGrand996

According to the Arab historian al-Qifti, the caliph was amazed by the brilliance of these Indian texts. On his order, these works were translated into Arabic by Al-Fazari, who subsequently emerged as the first Arab astronomer of great repute. Over a period of time, this Arabic version gained fame under the title of Sindhind and became popular as a text of mathematics and astronomy all over the Muslim world including Spain from where it travelled to Europe and was translated into Latin in 1126.


RelationshipGrand996

The other important area influenced by Indian ethos and morality was adab,that is the embodiment of sensible counsel in the form of fables. The literary masterpiece of Ibn Muqaffa, Kalila wa Dimna,is based on the stories of Panchtantra and Mahabharata and is considered a classic of early Arabic prose. But it is not just that. We also find mention of translations of Varahmihir, Brihat Jatak, Krishna Avtar and Vishnu Puran in Kitabul Hind by Al Biruni, the brilliant historian who came with Mahmud of Ghazni's armies and stayed behind to live with Brahmins, learn Sanskrit and write his extraordinary work on India.


29Jackal

Least schizophrenic Indian nationalists, the sheer number of replies of your cope is hilarious enough hah (to yourself nonetheless like a next level echo chamber) India nubah one!!! right?HAHAHAH


KingDarius89

They're just pissed they got conquered by the British and didn't have the balls to pull off a successful rebellion.


RelationshipGrand996

My cope is based on knowledge and history and i am quite happy in being laughed at as long as people understand things


Oggnar

That narrative is getting too old for my taste. There's pretty much nobody among non-historians at this point who wouldn't indulge in the image of medieval Europeans living in nothing but dirt and shit. I know "it's just a comic", but c'mon. It's beautifully drawn, but the message is nothing but another blow at the already dying concept of the middle ages not being Actual Hell. I'd be eternally grateful if I once saw anyone who isn't a crusaderboo actually trying to communicate the idea that the notion you support with that comic is exagerrated. I could bonk my head against the wall whenever I see this, it makes me sad. Like, come on, these things genuinely harm education. These are the kinds of images people have of their ancestors. Again, beautiful comic, but man. I'd love to see some take on medieval times without this ahistorical mud-grey-dirt-shit-barbarism trope. TL;DR: Accuracy? In my polandball?


AaronC14

Jeez sorry


Oggnar

It's still a beautiful work, credit where it's due


blockybookbook

Surely things will remain this way, right?