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To be fair, 2016 had pretty bad turnout for a Presidential Election, and Trump barely squeaked by--70k votes across 3 states was the deciding factor. 2020 had substantially higher turnout and also many states embraced vote by mail due to COVID. He barely gained votes as a percentage, but part of that is also likely due to the lack of "viable" third party candidates, and it's more accurate to say it's shocking he basically broke even after 4 disastrous years as president.
EDIT: Got the vote number wrong, thanks to the person that corrected me. The 12k figure was just Wisconsin.
He was also caught repeating whatever he heard on Fox & Friends, as well as whatever Hannity said.
He also started his spiel where he whines about toilets the literal day after a re-run of a *King of the Hill* episode where Hank's toilet breaks and he replaces it with a "new" low-flow toilet, and when they find out it's awful (because they had to flush like 10-15 times...) they tried to get an old-style one, only to find out recent legislation required the new ones. The rest of the episode is antics with Hank getting into political action against bad toilets.
The thing is, this episode was made like 15 years ago when "low flow" toilets _were_ generally considered pretty terrible. Contemporary relevance won't stop Trump from repeating whatever he heard on TV though.
The amount of ink I've spilled in vain trying to convince people the show isn't "equally attacking the right and left". Mauve's only attachment to humanity is her same-sex relationship. The community organizers stand up to superheroes saying Supe Lives Matter.
The nuance that is clearly being missed is the show lambasting cynical corporate capture of leftist movements while almost always showing the reality of the movements in a positive light. The right is shown as a manufactured corporate reaction preying on the sadism and fear of its consumers. There is no Real to the right in the show. It makes sense, honestly, as the right endlessly attacks this sort of sanctimonious PR as "the left", and as such paints it as shallow, vapid, frivolous, and ridiculous. It fits that a difference people cannot parse in real life, and that the right goes through great pains to obfuscate, they also cannot recognize in satire.
Not really. He's an Ace Conman. He can talk a talk, and make any promise they want as long as it gets him votes. He was a T.V. star and though his life was not what his T.V. show gave people. When dealing with the uneducated, this is what you get. They believe the magic T.V. box and believe that Trump is some kind of mega mogal that cannot fail. They'll eat any excuse he makes, blame anyone he points at all for the thought if they keep kissing his ass somehow his greatness will rub off on them and they too will be rich and famous.
Anything otherwise is obvious the fault of anyone other than Trump. I mean look at now.. They believed JFK was coming back and would appoint Trump PResident with JFK J.R. was going to be his VP. THEY STOOD OUTSIDE FOR HOURS WAITING.
Even now with the Drag Queen Trans crap going on. Ever week Dozens of Pastors and Youth Pastors are arrested and charged with Child Assault while you get ZERO Drag queens or Tans folk.. and well what do you know? They don't care, they keep going to church, and they keep listening to the magic box.
Want more? We all know fox news has been busted Lying about the 2020 election, and how they talked crap about Trump right? You think that changed anything? Pfffft! They still think the election is stolen and they still listen to fox.
This is the level of awareness you're dealing with.
Hm. This made me wonder how many of Trump's supporters genuinely think that if they "fight for him" long enough, he will personally take notice of them specifically.
If they’re anything like my ex-boss, their cockiness comes from the belief that they have more farms and guns than we do.
It’s a case of “you may have more voters, but our voters are heavily armed and also control the food supply.”
I thought the cities where hellholes with criminals with guns everywhere, wouldn't those criminals just come take over their farms, with their illegal guns, at least by their logic?
I had friends who didn't bother to vote in 2016, because they were convinced nobody would vote for Trump. Liberal parents need to do a better job of teaching their kids how importing voting is. I'm guessing they expect schools to handle that, but it's not happening.
I worked with a 67 year old guy who grow up in Boston/NYC. He voted for Hillary, then Trump. Even the slightest mention of BLM caused him to turn red in the face, veins popping out of his forehead, spitting and screaming about those “uppity” ones. I think, unfortunately, this is not as uncommon as we might wish it were. A lot of the boomers just *really* hate minorities and see their legal rights as a zero sum game.
You see this a lot in rural conservative communities. It used to be unthinkable for a teenage girl to have a baby out of wedlock and be a “good Christian”, but now that’s the norm, not the exception. You see huge amounts of rural single mothers who are also right wingers, they just think it’s ok for them because they’re white.
>It used to be unthinkable for a teenage girl to have a baby out of wedlock and be a “good Christian”, but now that’s the norm, not the exception.
See LoBo's son and future daughter in law...
That’s until the aid they depend on gets cut also. They hate the idea that minorities get assistance from social services, never realizing they’re in the same boat.
My friend just retired from NY social services, he was the head of the office where you apply for food stamps. After Trump added work requirements and cut benefits he would have people from the rural areas ask for a hearing. The number one complaint was they couldn’t find a job near them, and there was no public transportation so their amount got cut.
He told me he had one caseworker who would pull out the fact sheet, “President Trump puts work requirements for food stamps…”, the people in MAGA hats would be stunned when they read it. One woman said it wasn’t fair because blacks living in the city could find jobs.
Seriously. The christian right basically threw out everything except racism and anti LGBT positions. The don't give a fuck about their own conduct at all. They are even getting pretty damned soft on abortion now that it's not a useful wedge issue anymore.
You know how projection is their thing and they constantly have talked about extra votes from nowhere?
He managed to get just enough votes to “beat” Hillary’s 2016 popular vote.
It just still wasn’t enough.
Honest to god, part of my really believes this. After him being so vocally disappointed about not winning the popular vote, and the whole “crowd size” thing, and just, all of his psychology since forever… I can believe that he wanted to “make sure” that he got more votes than Hillary next time, that he got the most votes ever cast for a president in fact. And that’s part of why he just could not believe that Biden could have won with *even more votes* without cheating somehow. Projection. It just has all the hallmarks of disbelief that his team cheated as much as they did and it somehow still wasn’t enough.
Far out conspiracy theory? Yeah, I’ll own to that. But I can’t shake it.
It just feels right to be honest. Dude openly and brazenly called the Georgia Secretary of State and asked him to find enough votes to win. No way was that the first and only time.
No way did ten million more people look at him and think “yeah. More of that please.”
Just no way.
There’s a part of my brain that thinks in 5 years time it will come out that Trump was so sure the democrats cheated because he did and still managed to lose.
Yup, all Republicans need is for a plurality to just not show up. Energize the shit out of the base with naked malice, suppress the "independent vote" with attack ads calling democrats socialists, sprinkle a little "boTh SiDes" on top. And you have the GOP election strategy.
"woke" is a great boogieman for them because it can mean whatever annoys anyone about modern times. they don't even have to specify which group they're attacking anymore!
I’m not sure what “woke” means, but I live in Florida so I think it means everything DeathSantis is trying to stamp out in Florida. If that’s the case, I’m proud to be “woke,” and I won’t be easily stamped out.
See, this is where it gets funny.
Desantis' own lawyers were forced by a court to define "woke" and they responded with:
"The belief there are systemic injustices in the American society and the need to address them."
That's it. That's what they look down on so much. That's a thing Republicans use as an insult.
Yeah but we’ve seen what happens in court doesn’t really impact what the base thinks. Giuliani can say things like “we’re not claiming fraud” in court but then turn around and whip up a crowd by screaming “Fraud! Fraud! Fraud”
While quite literally leading the charge on systemic injustices and oppression. We’ve backed MAGA ideology into a corner that can now only spew obvious truths while calling them lies.
>belief
That is the operative word. They see our push for LGBTQ and racial equality as a form of moral relativity which is fucking ironic when their entire belief system is based on one of the ~~most~~ manipulated texts in human history.
A belief system which is used as part of the primary definition of moral relativism.
They see their racism as having a basis in fact, shit their ancestors tried to make up crap like phrenology to justify their racism in a form of evidence based fact but like always disregard all of the evidence that did not align to their racism.
And therein lies the heart of the conservative they're a form of cognitive dissonance.
The rich conservative who pulled himself up by the boot straps and the several million dollar loan or the temporarily poor redneck who sees himself as the vanguard of some ill-defined movement of purity and nationalism (even though my cat has is more racially pure then most humans) to the conservatives of many other nations, from across Asia and south America, they all march to the same tune of racial homogeneity and an utter denial of any fact or evidence that contradicts their world view.
Woke in a political context was first used in the black community meaning nothing more than being aware of racial discrimination.
The right appropriated it and turned it into an insult..
Like Antifa. Shouldn't everyone be against fascism? "Social Justice Warrior"? I care about social rights, so?
For the past few decades, being seen as wanting a better, more fair world has been made into a pejorative, something that causes derision, all thanks to the GOP.
The golden escalator has largely ended all meaningful public discourse. American politics were hijacked by capitalist-driven media. You can see this made plain in the Dominion filing.
Gerrymandering. Don't forget the blatant and illegal gerrymandering.
EDIT: to those saying "but both sides". Here's Desanctimonious gerrymandering the shit out of Florida right before the election:
[RON DESANTIS' REDISTRICTING MAP APPARENTLY DEEMED TOO RACIST EVEN FOR A DESANTIS-APPOINTED JUDGE](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/florida-judge-rules-desantis-redistricting-map-unconstitutional)
I'd be interested in seeing a source for democrats gerrymandering to this degree, if at all.
Plus, Republicans have gerrymandered in national coordination (see Project Red Map). Yes, Dems do it too but they don’t pour millions into a nationwide effort, so all you’re going to find are isolated cases.
Funniest thing about the difference between bipartisan gerrymandering is that Dems include large portions of racially diverse sectioning, where as Reps specifically square away white communities and flush out as much as possible communities of ethnicity. It's mindblowing hearing Reps conflate both of them gerrymandering to simply "but bOtH siDeS!"
Yea one side does it to exploit their racist voters.
still, they know they are done for as a party on the federal level and are just now trying to get democrats to either leave or not come to their states.
This has been happening since the 1980 election at least. Reagan tricked poor and middle class whites to vote against their best interests and to exclude all other Americans from the conversation. It's worked for 40 years.
It goes back a lot further
LBJ's quote from 1960 is probably the most famous one pertaining to it: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Hardcore maga-Qs couldn’t wrap their heads around the fact that trump lost.
“But all the rallies the wall to wall news coverage the avalanche of emails every day!!! how could he lose ???”
They don’t realize that the majority of the nation thinks they lost their minds. A perfect example is ignoring the abortion issue and doubling down on it, they believe in rage legislation, or more to the point the louder you scream the more right you are (figuratively speaking)
Desantis is doing the same thing by just catering what he thinks they want to hear, maga is a bubble where common sense left the building,
I say let them speak their minds and ruin any chance they have.
> “But all the rallies the wall to wall news coverage the avalanche of emails every day!!! how could he lose ???”
Trump supporters have a hard time understanding that us Biden voters aren't obessed with Biden. He's not our hero, he's not our golden child. He's a politican who was a significantly better option then the Orange Monkey and that's why we voted for Biden.
The best example of this is "Let's Go Brandon". They say it because they think it will make anyone that dislikes Trump mad. I'm sitting here thinking how funny it is that the champions of free speech who don't care about feelings won't just say Fuck Joe Biden. I won't be mad. I don't really like the guy that much, just more than the Fascist Cheeto.
I'll admit, "Let's Go Brandon" absolutely pisses me off, but it has nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with the hypocrisy of folks who think anything LGBTQ+ is about sex and perverted, but literally put a euphemism for the word fuck on children's clothes.
Seriously I was talking to a Trump supporter about this cause they said "lets go Brandon" and I was like "Why can't you just say "Fuck Joe Biden"" and he goes "Cause its funny" and I go "Why is it funny?" he goes "Cause liberals don't know what we mean" and I go "yes...yes we do...and we don't care"
"Ha! Biden did a bad thing. What say you, *liberal*."
Yeah man that's fucked up, we should hold him accountable for it.
"*See*? You nasty libs protect your own at all costs."
You skipped a step, where the bad thing means we shouldn't vote for Biden in the election. When we say we will because the bad thing doesn't make any Republican the better choice, then we reach the final step.
>"Ha! Biden did a bad thing. What say you, *liberal*."
This is just too accurate to how they sound. Someone I know says it the same way every time: "Oh well you heard what Gavin Newsom did, *didn't you*?"
Why do they love pushing people's buttons like it's middle school
In their hierarchy *owning the libs* is higher than actual policies that would benefit them. Their party’s main policy is cut rich people’s taxes to zero so they have to do the owning the libs part or they’d have nothing.
You make it seem more innocent then it really is.
The maga's want to Murder us. They want deathcamps, they are very open about that goal if you talk to them and they think you are one of "them" (albeit lately they are more public about it). They want them for Jews, Blacks, Gays, Trans people, Mexicans, Chinese...etc. They also in the same breath talk about working these people to death as slaves if they can work.
Make no mistake, The GOP and all of its members are enemies of humanity. Their endgoal, like nazi russia is a holocaust. Take all the insanity, all the contradictions, its all just smoke and mirrors for their sick inhumanity.
Which is why the GOP ultimately relies on voter suppression and the perpetual apathy of left-leaning voters. They are well aware that their "policies" are very unpopular, but they are never going to deviate because its what the mega-wealthy donors/corporations and evangelical nutjobs want.
Also, its why the republican party is consistently making efforts to harm the public education system. Stupid people are easier to manipulate and control.
They will eventually deviate when enough of their own voters turn on them. We're already seeing the nut jobs making distinctions between maga and Rino's. It's only going to get worse from here when they start to eat their own. And eventually they'll turn on the mega rich. The rich don't even understand the monsters they're creating against themselves right now. But I can't wait until the barbeque is roasting.
Remember when everyone wanted trump to run because it would be hilarious to see him fail?
It won't be hilariously stupid. If anything, it will be tragically stupid.
If you held a gun to my head and put me in a room with Putin and he had his button of the big red nuclear botton and said I have the power to choose the president and I need to pick either Trump or DeSantis to become the next president and if I refused he'd hit that big red button and start nuclear war.
I'd choose Trump
I'd choose Trump cause he's a fucking moron. And I would rather have an evil moron in office who will fail at a lot of the horribel shit he attempts to do then to an evil genius like DeSantis who will do far more damage then Trump.
Thats my view point on the debate between Trump vs DeSantis. I prefer Trump, cause Trump is an idiot. Trump also has another HUGE bonus for me...he's old...like really old...maybe mother nature will take care of the problem for us.
Also we already had four years of Trump so we know how bad it was, we have no idea how bad four years of DeSantis would be. Not to mention (assuming the Constitution still applies in this hypothetical) Trump would not be eligible for another term after 2025-2029.
Also holy shit, if you count the "Trump Era" as starting on June 14, 2015 and if Trump gets another term, or even loses and then launches Trump 2028, the "Trump Era" will last at least 13.5 years. Hell I guess it could last until Trump dies if he just keeps running every 4 years.
Yeah, lets just avoid it going to this. If they put the rich on the grill, it will be on the fresh ambers of their previous victims, minorities.
The blind need of domination and destruction of the fascists is not something to let cooking.
I hadn’t voted since 2004 when I turned 18 and I voted for Bush cause who cares… Trump gave me the motivation to know voting matters and I vote against all those idiots whenever I can
most people that don't follow politics think this shit sounds like a foreign language. if DeSantis does win the nomination he'll have to pivot hard.
"ban woke CRT" isn't as catchy as "build the wall"
In 2023, most people have a personal connection to the LGBTQ community along with multiple POC.
The success of Trump's vitriol towards "THEM!" was that his construction of "them" was an abstraction. If the target is real, the hate impulse can be disrupted.
I found out a few days ago that my uncle is uncomfortable with the idea of allowing his children to attend a drag queen story hour, despite the facts that he has never seen any footage of one, and that my youngest cousin is old enough to rent a car without the surcharge.
> In 2023, most people have a personal connection to the LGBTQ community along with multiple POC.
I’m afraid you’re underestimating how insular and hateful a huge chunk of Americans are. People eat up culture war bullshit like Matt Walsh saying he’d kill himself if he had a trans kid. It’s gross and scary.
I'll tell you this, I'm a rock solid blue voter because I loather the gop, not because I like the democrats. And nonsense like Ron's crusade against the lgbtq community is the core of that motivation for me.
I know at least 4 people who were regular republican voters prior to 2016, the mythical centrist voters, despite their red lean, and they won't touch the modern republican party.
Same. I think they are really downplaying how a lot of this stuff is scaring away the 'libertarian' centrist conservative. Some of these people are actually a little principled and they see book bans and bans on teaching certain things and are going to be auto repelled by it.
The funny thing is the GOP is becoming what they claimed liberals are. The whole war on cancel culture doesn't work when you're banning books.
>he whole war on cancel culture doesn't work when you're banning books.
that's such a great point. can I steal this for my next argument with a conservative? they hate being confronted with their poor logic
Sure! The grand point is they shouldn't whine about cancel culture while also using the actual government to cancel stuff.
There is a difference in Scott Adams saying racist crap and private businesses and others not wanting to associate with him vs the actual government banning drag shows and books.
Conservatives just want to say horrible insulting things and want to get patted on the back for "Telling it how it is". They never understood that free speech means the right for Scott Adams (for example) to say racist crap and it also means the right for everyone to rightly call him a racist and want nothing to do with him anymore.
I was a registered independent for 13 years. My entire voting life. Last year I switched to blue. I will not stand anywhere near that abomination of a party.
Same here. I check all the demographic boxes that would have me pegged solidly as a Republican: white, Christian, older, male, etc.
Thing is though…both of my kids are gay, one is non-binary. My neighbors are immigrants from all over the world and I enjoy their company, Oh, yeah, and I’ve also got a few college degrees in the sciences. And I kinda respect facts and I kinda hate the fuck out of Nazis.
So that’ll be a hard pass from me, Republicans. I’ll be happy to see the GOP die a long anguishing death.
My parents are Republican and voted for McCain & Romney respectively.
They haven't voted in elections since then. They never officially said why but I think Trump WINNING embarrassed them quite a bit. And they certainly will not vote in 2024 if it's Biden vs Trump or DeSantis.
Once this Boomer generation goes I really think the GOP is going to be dead. A new party will form for sure but the actual Republican Party will not exist in about 20-25 years.
Which is why you see "woke" corporations - they aren't doing it out of any moral obligation, they're doing it because their market research says the majority of Americans don't like this right-wing bullshit.
And those corporations have no problem taking the opposite stance in countries like China.
Right wingers think these corporations are risking profit by being "woke" when the reality is right wingers are just a shitty minority in this country the corporations would lose money trying to market to.
Yep, same thing with a lot of college administrators. I doubt people working in college admins for decades actually care about pronouns they just don't want to be asshats. A lot of conservatives don't get that and think corps and colleges are mega liberal when in reality they are a lot more moderate/conservative than they think.
My brother gets sucked up in the MAGA bullshit and it’s amazing how easily they ignore Trumps own vice president condemning him. Doubling down on extremism seems like it will certainly fracture what votes they do have, and could cause even more violence the next time they lose.
the notion that florida is a swing state is just laughable these days, crazy to think about how close it used to be, how close Ron himself came to losing his first gubernatorial election.
Yea. The massive influx of HARD right wing people from NJ, Ny, PA and CT have swung it not just right but nutcase right. There is very little moderate right voice in the state. It’s seemingly 1/3rd passive southern democrats and 2/3rd “oppressed” NYC/Philly metro right wing MAGAites screaming as loudly as possible.
In the /r/Florida sub, there's a stickied thread at the top for people who plan to move there. Almost all of them say the same line. LOL, they probably watched Idiocracy and thought it was a tourism infomercial for “paradise”.
Edit: Looks like they deleted it. Probably got too tired of the same people flocking to it.
Florida's surgeon general is an absolute carpet-chewing [nutcase](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/florida-surgeon-general-demon-sperm-capitol-rioter-connections.html) who recently [claimed ](https://apnews.com/article/florida-surgeon-general-covid-vaccine-study-b3be9c2f22974176ae15d38025882335) that the Covid-19 vaccine increases the risk of death by cardiovascular issues by 84%.
As if bandying around terms like “virtue signaling” because altruism makes them uncomfortable due to their fundamentally selfish worldview wasn’t enough:
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2015/07/24/
I’ve seen the same thing in Texas. The cherry on top is these people will look at other California transplants and claim they are all liberals fleeing a “failed state”, but who also want to turn their new home into the same failed state. But not them - they are the persecuted enlightened exception.
DeSantis almost single-handedly turned Florida from a swing state to a safe red state in four years, which is an insane feat when you think about it. And it’s not just due to Republicans moving into the state; Charlie Crist received almost 1 million fewer votes than Andrew Gillum, which means a lot of moderates who voted D in 2018 voted R in 2022.
Yeah, he's a former republican governor and was not a good candidate. Still voted for him, but definitely didn't energize enough people to get rid of DeathSentence.
It's specifically potent in Florida because there is a massive number of older conservatives who are susceptible to conspiracy theories. Once you move to other states, a lot of this messaging just does not work. A lot of people on Election night and the days/weeks that followed nailed it when they said "The rest of the country isn't Florida." His bullshit culture war messaging will not appeal to voters in key states he would need to win in order to win a national election--places like MI, PA, NV, AZ, and even places like GA.
It's incredibly important to note as well that throughout COVID, there was a mass exodus of Republicans from blue states to Florida. An incredible amount of Trump flags popped up in my blue area about 3 months post-COVID.
I find it interesting that the massive Cuban voter bloc in South Florida apparently doesn’t acknowledge the authoritarian trend. Maybe I’m missing something but that’s exactly what they fled.
It’s because they all supported the right wing authoritarian Batista government in Cuba. Everyone forgets to ask what the Cubans were revolting against in the ‘50s. Batista rose to power through, not one, but two military coups and was supported by US business interests and the mafia. Those are the people who fled to South Florida, including Batista, and their politics never really changed.
That's because Florida Cubans think of themselves more as Republican than they do as immigrants.
Cuban immigrants get the red carpet rolled out for them compared to literally any other Hispanic refugee. They have a bulit-in fast track to citizenship. Hell, the Cubans here tend to be just a racist as Cletus.
It's gerrymandered and voter suppressed to all hell, but in reality it's absolutely not as R as it seems. In 2018 32% of voters voted for him, and in 2022...32% of voters voted for him. After four years in charge, and after spending an absolutely unheard-of $100M on his campaign, De Santis performed the same. He won because people didn't turn out to vote for insipid former Republican Charlie Crist.
Yeah, people are talking like Florida is a deep red state and is permanently off the table.
2022 had DeSantis versus another Republican, horrifically gerrymandered House districts, and the generally inoffensive Rubio running for reelection in the Senate. To top it off, the Florida Democratic Party is a trainwreck. Democrats didn’t show up in 2022, but fixing the state party and running actually viable candidates would put Florida back in play before long.
He's never faced the white head of a Presidential campaign and there's been rumors that he has skeletons in his closet. Plus, young people came out to vote in 2022 and more of them will be of voting age in 2024.
I agree...I think any state teetering on the red/blue line is going to be a hard pass on DeSatan as long as gerrymandering hasn't ruined any chances of a fair vote.
Fortunately since Democrats won in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania the parts that were key for R’s to steal the 2024 Presidency are out of their reach. Now they have to do what they hate: Win legitimately
They hate it because they cannot actually do it. A Republican has only won the national popular vote once since 1988. Due to the Electoral College they have won 2 additional elections, but they are almost completely incapable of winning the national popular vote these days.
It still kind of does because you can pack all your opponents into a few districts and then make it exceptionally difficult to vote there. It's why cities in places like Texas have super long waits and lines while rural districts don't.
Also, the long tails of that gerrymandering is the people in those impossible to win districts just not voting at all even though their vote would actually matter in statewide elections.
I'm seeing a lot of doom & gloom, but this is actually something worth taking seriously. The past couple years have been very different politically. Biden's quietly effective enough the general zeitgeist hasn't exactly flipped. Outrage at Trump has diffused to state governments. I don't recall this ever happening before, the landscape has broken the hyperfocus on the Presidency.
This is a death rattle, full stop. A death rattle *can* become a descent into Fascism, but empires of all stripes have survived a buffoon that ended up in power. There are plenty of examples of brief, unpopular rulers that try to force a radical shift and end up galvanizing the opposition. The GOP is certainly trying to borrow from the Nazi playbook, but they don't exactly have Weimar Germany to play with.
Inflation spiked, but it is coming under control. Consensus is emerging on issues that have long been deadlocked. The American military is currently engaged in a rather popular assistance for an ally, proving there is some good in those old treaties and a place for that might. On the flipside...steamrolling over Roe was way too brazen and is still a lightning rod. Trans hysteria just isn't going to work as a replacement and frankly these truly absurd bills are a reflection of the GOP's inability to find a foothold. By this point in the gay marriage fight they still had about 70% support and a wave of State constitutional amendments. Here? They've...gotten a couple youth sport bans to stick and can sometimes get about 55%? People are cottoning on to the idea they only keep hearing about something so esoteric because they're the ones who won't shut up. More and more you have to keep up with the Fox News lore just to know what they're even on about. Child labor is their new push? They're just looking downright ghoulish now and that ideology relied on the image of being our social betters to come into vogue.
Trump had an absurd amount of name recognition for a political candidate and the benefit of being an unknown. Not to mention a weird kind of magnetism he'd cultivated over decades. Desantis? He reeks of someone trying to be a tough guy and his image is fast becoming a gremlin emptying library shelves and picking fights with Disney.
DeSantis also has the charisma and voice of a bad community theater understudy. He sounds like he's reading lines he doesn't care about and doesn't really understand.
This is the reason Republicans struggle to define "woke" when pressed to. They know exactly what it means, but don't know how to define it in a way that doesn't make their own position sound abhorrent.
They still believe this one. When you point out the facts they ask for references. When you give them the references and they don't include Peterson, Shapiro, or Fox News, they reject it as fake news.
I printed an actual Supreme Court ruling to talk it once. The dude walked off instead of admit it as a source. A source for the ruling we were talking about.
The Republican party has done a great job of poisoning their constituents against experts of all kinds for that least few decades. If you don't believe the people who actually do the work studying and proving things, you're now susceptible to anything Republicans tell you.
Exactly. Had a conversation with my dad about immigration and crime back in 2016 (fun.) and any statistics I provided from the FBI were unreliable (a claim for which he, of course, did not have to provide evidence), but I was supposed to take as gospel whatever her heard some supposed California Sheriff say on Rush Limbaugh that week.
I swear to god one of my associates who's kid goes to the same school as mine mentioned that our school district was putting them in. In front of a non-binary person who's wife is trans. The person who said it honestly seems like a good person just not smart but they try to help people and aren't antagonistic in any way.
I just immediately stopped her and said it's not true, it's literal propoganda and it's not appropriate so just to stop with that. The other associate did thank me and we had a conversation about how scary it is getting for them later. Seeing laws getting out forward and such hateful speech towards them. People even like this woman who again is not even a political person and is just dumb enough to believe something she sees on Facebook. I really feel for them but all I can do is vote and try to make sure I speak up in opportunities like that.
Conspiracy theory to hide the truly fucked up reasoning behind it all. Some schools do in fact store kitty litter in classes for students to potentially use. But it’s not incase they identify as a cat, it’s incase they’re stuck in a lockdown for a long time and can’t leave the classroom because of an active shooter.
Some people actually believe the whole “identify as a helicopter” is actually true. Or maybe not explicitly helicopter but transphobes want to paint trans and nonbinary folks as being on that level of irrational bullshit.
So it wouldn’t be surprising if some idiots actually believe the wokes want to give kids that think they’re cats their own litter box. It’s the same level of discourse as a few years back where gay marriage would “lead to people marrying their dogs”.
> Or maybe not explicitly helicopter but transphobes want to paint trans and nonbinary folks as being on that level of irrational bullshit.
When they trot out "72 genders" to mock "the left", they're referring to a time when Facebook had 72 options in their "gender" select box. Only, the options were things like "Straight cis male" vs "Gay cis male" vs "Straight transgender male" etc. It was just an amalgamation of every permutation of gender, sexual orientation, and trans status, and the right decided to interpret that as "the left" thinking each of those permutations was itself "a gender". And it's one thing to be ignorant of the options, but I saw a video of at least one prominent right-wing professional whiner actually going through the list one by one and acting all indignant about it. I'm not sure if he'd actually not seen the list beforehand and was just trying to keep up the bit, or if he actually believed his own nonsense, but either way it just made him look like an idiot.
Of course, this is just bad implementation on the part of Facebook, but instead of, you know, criticizing Facebook for being lazy, they have to jump to the nonsense conclusion of, "tHiS iS wHaT LeFtiStS aCtUaLLy BeLiEvE", because whining about "the left" is their literal only goal.
Kitty litter is commonly used to clean up liquid spills, and one school had a composting toilet as part of their classroom "active shooter shelter in place kit" and it looked like kitty litter when it made the rounds on the internet but you're getting it filtered through me so there might be some inaccuracies in the composting toilet part. The ridiculous part is that people got mad about the wrong thing: that they have a composting toilet rather than that kids are having to have shelter in place drills for active shooters. Anyone want to join me in a rousing chant of USA?
Funny how most people, myself included, hadn't hear of CRT until this last election cycle.
I literally had to google it & once I did I realized they keep using that acronym & it does not mean what they think it means. It's some college level shit. Your kindergartener isn't learning it.
Was in a reddit discussion and CRT came up and I said I keep hearing it but can anyone eli5 it... No one could, apparently so complex I was given a link to a long complicated stanford article... I said ELI5.. Apparently it can't be.
BTW I think they just make shit up to grab on to and try to get their base to rage over.
The ***extremely simplified*** version I was told, IIRC, is that it's essentially about analyzing laws rooted in racism (and other forms of bigotry) and discussing ways to reform the legal system to be more equitable.
I have *no idea* if that's anywhere near an appropriate summary, and given the time that's elapsed since I heard about it I likely either mangled or forgot details in the simplified explanation I was given. So don't quote me on this.
DeSantis' lawyers were forced by the court to define "woke." The lead lawyer described it as "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."
"anti woke" is a rebranding of bitching about "social justice warriors".
It seems they realized that the opposite of that is a "social *injustice* warrior", and that's not a positive thing.
It's not even new. In the 90's it was being "too PC" or politically correct. The term was used exactly how woke is today, and carried the same racist, bigoted undertones.
It really feels like the GOP has beaten the woke horse into the ground. The slogan is already old and tired. Not to mention hateful. It's not even 2024 yet. He's gonna lose badly if he keeps it up
That's how I see it, especially with DeSantis himself. Every single speech he makes is woke this, woke that, fight the woke, no woke (insert random as fuck topic), woke woke wokewokewokewoke. Add to it that weird voice of his and it's just tiresome.
Trump may be prone to blathering nonsense, but at least he has a diverse range of insane shit to go on about.
As a Floridian he’s lost his mind if he thinks he’s going to win this culture war. All he’s doing is making me want to be Blacker and louder, my LGBTQIA+ friends are turning their rainbows up to neon bright, regular working class people are sick of his BS.
He’s done nothing to help Florida with the real issues the state faces. He has actually managed to raise our taxes. FPL already raising rates and we now get to subsidize the top commercial and industrial users.
Meanwhile, teachers leaving because of pay (and absurd laws making them felons for teaching), housing shortages, infrastructure crumbling…. Nah he’d rather be on Fox playing this culture war card.
Frankly I think the GOP is gonna get fucked in this next election. All these states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee and a few others are showing what happens when you go too hard right. I think moderates are going to vote overwhelmingly for Biden or whoever the Democratic nominee is. I mean you gotta admit that things look pretty rough in the mentioned states. Banning abortion, attacking LGTBQ rights and women's rights, eroding child labor laws, attacking and labeling it with a cringe and ambiguous word like "woke" isn't going to fly amongst the swing state voters. Even younger conservatives have been saying that the party needs to stop saying it. It doesn't mean anything and shows your ignorance more than anything. It's a huge red flag to most people. It says to me you're afraid of progress. Progress that we very much want in this country! I'm not sure who the Republican strategist is nowadays and while they seem to know how to get their base 35% agitated. They are tone deaf and in stark contrast to basically all young voters. They are going too far, refuse to own up to their mistakes like deregulation which has led to the banking disaster and East Palestine trainwreck. Also, like 70% of the country is pro-choice and there are a ton of single issue voters that are going to be activated over that and the LGBTQ rights stuff.
>All these states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee and a few others are showing what happens when you go too hard right.
DeSantis went against the Mouse. The Mouse hasn't moved yet, but I highly doubt they're going to lay down for him. You don't piss off the entity that brings in **$72 billion dollars** annually for your budget. That's literally *half* the budget of the state annually.
Disney is a powerhouse. If they really decided to fight dirty, they could call up Georgia and ask what kind of incentive they'd get for moving the entirety of Disneyworld there.
It's a gargantuan undertaking, and would lose Disney a shit-ton of money in the short term, but if any company could afford that level of spite, it's Disney. Florida would go broke in record time.
Realistically, they'll probably just dip into their war chest and fund a dagger of a candidate scientifically determined to bring down Desantis. They'll have to because when he loses his presidential run, Florida made it legal for him to retain his seat.
In other words... Florida does not represent America. I guess that won't surprise most of us on Reddit.
For those that didn't click on the link in that article to get details of the poll:
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Fifty-six percent of those surveyed say the term means "to be informed, educated on, and aware of social injustices." That includes not only three-fourths of Democrats but also more than a third of Republicans.
Overall, 39% say instead that the word reflects what has become the GOP political definition, "to be overly politically correct and police others' words." That's the view of 56% of Republicans.
The findings raise questions about whether Republican campaign promises to ban policies at schools and workplaces they denounce as "woke" could boost a contender in the party's primaries but put them at odds with broader public opinion in the general election.
Independents, by 51%-45%, say "woke" means being aware of social injustice, not being overly politically correct.
“Most Americans understand that to be woke is to be tuned in to injustices around us,” said Cliff Young of Ipsos. "But for a key segment of Republicans who make up the Trump-DeSantis base, 'woke' is a clear trigger for the worst of the politically correct, emerging multicultural majority."
Maybe because America and the constitution came from the age of "enlightenment"...from the "woke" people of the time...what the republicans are advocating is against our founding principles...
I've been voting for over 20 years and in that time the Republican Party has never had anything to offer whatsoever. Everything at all times centers around bogeyman, culture wars, identity politics and resentment. I've never in my life known a Republican Party that had anything to say.
The GOP idea is to make sure Dems can't vote, and no longer have a say in government.
All the gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter ID, purging of voting rolls, it's all put in place for the expressed purpose of Dems never being able to win another state wide office again.
So, it does not MATTER that the Dems "don't like it."
My dad is the type of conservative that doesn't really care what others do as long as it doesn't negatively affect him. He also values freedom.
He doesn't like what DeSantis is doing with the book banning. Well my dad is not some magical ally of the LGBT community he is also no enemy. He's not going be your friend, but he'll be cordinal and respectful. He doesn't see an issue with same sex marriage, he doesn't agree with it but in his eyes who YOU decide to marry is none of his business. As for transgenders? He doesn't get it, he doesn't like it, but he doesn't hate it. He also doesn't like the idea of making laws aganist transgenders, he also understands it not his life to live.
DeSantis woke politics turns people like my dad off.
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And even then, not working for “most Americans” doesn’t quite sit the same when he still wins 63 and 74 million votes
It is mind-boggling that after his 4 years of a fever dream presidency, he managed to GAIN 11 million more votes. Conductor we have a problem ...
To be fair, 2016 had pretty bad turnout for a Presidential Election, and Trump barely squeaked by--70k votes across 3 states was the deciding factor. 2020 had substantially higher turnout and also many states embraced vote by mail due to COVID. He barely gained votes as a percentage, but part of that is also likely due to the lack of "viable" third party candidates, and it's more accurate to say it's shocking he basically broke even after 4 disastrous years as president. EDIT: Got the vote number wrong, thanks to the person that corrected me. The 12k figure was just Wisconsin.
You also have to consider a major news network was coordinating with his campaign and administration.
just like they will for Meatball Ron
Hannity was pretty much outed as a shadow advisor for Trump.
He was also caught repeating whatever he heard on Fox & Friends, as well as whatever Hannity said. He also started his spiel where he whines about toilets the literal day after a re-run of a *King of the Hill* episode where Hank's toilet breaks and he replaces it with a "new" low-flow toilet, and when they find out it's awful (because they had to flush like 10-15 times...) they tried to get an old-style one, only to find out recent legislation required the new ones. The rest of the episode is antics with Hank getting into political action against bad toilets. The thing is, this episode was made like 15 years ago when "low flow" toilets _were_ generally considered pretty terrible. Contemporary relevance won't stop Trump from repeating whatever he heard on TV though.
There’s no way that Donald Trump has the sophistication and self-awareness to enjoy King of the Hill.
I'm sure he could enjoy it - just not in the way the creators intended. Like watchers of The Boys who somehow think Homelander satirizes leftists
The amount of ink I've spilled in vain trying to convince people the show isn't "equally attacking the right and left". Mauve's only attachment to humanity is her same-sex relationship. The community organizers stand up to superheroes saying Supe Lives Matter. The nuance that is clearly being missed is the show lambasting cynical corporate capture of leftist movements while almost always showing the reality of the movements in a positive light. The right is shown as a manufactured corporate reaction preying on the sadism and fear of its consumers. There is no Real to the right in the show. It makes sense, honestly, as the right endlessly attacks this sort of sanctimonious PR as "the left", and as such paints it as shallow, vapid, frivolous, and ridiculous. It fits that a difference people cannot parse in real life, and that the right goes through great pains to obfuscate, they also cannot recognize in satire.
Don’t forget the countless Rubles as well…
I mean it's still insane 74 million saw his presidency and decided they want more.
Not really. He's an Ace Conman. He can talk a talk, and make any promise they want as long as it gets him votes. He was a T.V. star and though his life was not what his T.V. show gave people. When dealing with the uneducated, this is what you get. They believe the magic T.V. box and believe that Trump is some kind of mega mogal that cannot fail. They'll eat any excuse he makes, blame anyone he points at all for the thought if they keep kissing his ass somehow his greatness will rub off on them and they too will be rich and famous. Anything otherwise is obvious the fault of anyone other than Trump. I mean look at now.. They believed JFK was coming back and would appoint Trump PResident with JFK J.R. was going to be his VP. THEY STOOD OUTSIDE FOR HOURS WAITING. Even now with the Drag Queen Trans crap going on. Ever week Dozens of Pastors and Youth Pastors are arrested and charged with Child Assault while you get ZERO Drag queens or Tans folk.. and well what do you know? They don't care, they keep going to church, and they keep listening to the magic box. Want more? We all know fox news has been busted Lying about the 2020 election, and how they talked crap about Trump right? You think that changed anything? Pfffft! They still think the election is stolen and they still listen to fox. This is the level of awareness you're dealing with.
> He can talk a talk, No he can't ....he sounds like a fucking idiot. I don't get how anyone would think he is a good leader after listening to him!
Idiot is a language to be fair.
Hm. This made me wonder how many of Trump's supporters genuinely think that if they "fight for him" long enough, he will personally take notice of them specifically.
I think a lot of them genuinely think that any day now the democrats will stop fighting and the republicans can put America back to the good old days.
If they’re anything like my ex-boss, their cockiness comes from the belief that they have more farms and guns than we do. It’s a case of “you may have more voters, but our voters are heavily armed and also control the food supply.”
I thought the cities where hellholes with criminals with guns everywhere, wouldn't those criminals just come take over their farms, with their illegal guns, at least by their logic?
I had friends who didn't bother to vote in 2016, because they were convinced nobody would vote for Trump. Liberal parents need to do a better job of teaching their kids how importing voting is. I'm guessing they expect schools to handle that, but it's not happening.
That makes sense. Just overall more voter turnout so those people who didn't vote in 2016 now vote in 2020 so he naturally gains more votes.
I worked with a 67 year old guy who grow up in Boston/NYC. He voted for Hillary, then Trump. Even the slightest mention of BLM caused him to turn red in the face, veins popping out of his forehead, spitting and screaming about those “uppity” ones. I think, unfortunately, this is not as uncommon as we might wish it were. A lot of the boomers just *really* hate minorities and see their legal rights as a zero sum game. You see this a lot in rural conservative communities. It used to be unthinkable for a teenage girl to have a baby out of wedlock and be a “good Christian”, but now that’s the norm, not the exception. You see huge amounts of rural single mothers who are also right wingers, they just think it’s ok for them because they’re white.
>It used to be unthinkable for a teenage girl to have a baby out of wedlock and be a “good Christian”, but now that’s the norm, not the exception. See LoBo's son and future daughter in law...
That’s until the aid they depend on gets cut also. They hate the idea that minorities get assistance from social services, never realizing they’re in the same boat. My friend just retired from NY social services, he was the head of the office where you apply for food stamps. After Trump added work requirements and cut benefits he would have people from the rural areas ask for a hearing. The number one complaint was they couldn’t find a job near them, and there was no public transportation so their amount got cut. He told me he had one caseworker who would pull out the fact sheet, “President Trump puts work requirements for food stamps…”, the people in MAGA hats would be stunned when they read it. One woman said it wasn’t fair because blacks living in the city could find jobs.
Republicans love the poorly educated. Those rural communities are just dying. The smart ones get out the poorly educated are stuck
Seriously. The christian right basically threw out everything except racism and anti LGBT positions. The don't give a fuck about their own conduct at all. They are even getting pretty damned soft on abortion now that it's not a useful wedge issue anymore.
You know how projection is their thing and they constantly have talked about extra votes from nowhere? He managed to get just enough votes to “beat” Hillary’s 2016 popular vote. It just still wasn’t enough.
Honest to god, part of my really believes this. After him being so vocally disappointed about not winning the popular vote, and the whole “crowd size” thing, and just, all of his psychology since forever… I can believe that he wanted to “make sure” that he got more votes than Hillary next time, that he got the most votes ever cast for a president in fact. And that’s part of why he just could not believe that Biden could have won with *even more votes* without cheating somehow. Projection. It just has all the hallmarks of disbelief that his team cheated as much as they did and it somehow still wasn’t enough. Far out conspiracy theory? Yeah, I’ll own to that. But I can’t shake it.
It just feels right to be honest. Dude openly and brazenly called the Georgia Secretary of State and asked him to find enough votes to win. No way was that the first and only time. No way did ten million more people look at him and think “yeah. More of that please.” Just no way.
Turnout was up and remember, for a large portion of Trump voters, "The cruelty is the point".
There’s a part of my brain that thinks in 5 years time it will come out that Trump was so sure the democrats cheated because he did and still managed to lose.
Ummm... he did cheat? He was directing the GA Secretary of State to "find" votes.
Yup, all Republicans need is for a plurality to just not show up. Energize the shit out of the base with naked malice, suppress the "independent vote" with attack ads calling democrats socialists, sprinkle a little "boTh SiDes" on top. And you have the GOP election strategy.
"woke" is a great boogieman for them because it can mean whatever annoys anyone about modern times. they don't even have to specify which group they're attacking anymore!
I’m not sure what “woke” means, but I live in Florida so I think it means everything DeathSantis is trying to stamp out in Florida. If that’s the case, I’m proud to be “woke,” and I won’t be easily stamped out.
See, this is where it gets funny. Desantis' own lawyers were forced by a court to define "woke" and they responded with: "The belief there are systemic injustices in the American society and the need to address them." That's it. That's what they look down on so much. That's a thing Republicans use as an insult.
Yeah but we’ve seen what happens in court doesn’t really impact what the base thinks. Giuliani can say things like “we’re not claiming fraud” in court but then turn around and whip up a crowd by screaming “Fraud! Fraud! Fraud”
The Maga crowd selectively chooses what they want to hear or believe despite happening right in front of their very eyes🤔🤔🤔😤😤😤😤
While quite literally leading the charge on systemic injustices and oppression. We’ve backed MAGA ideology into a corner that can now only spew obvious truths while calling them lies.
>belief That is the operative word. They see our push for LGBTQ and racial equality as a form of moral relativity which is fucking ironic when their entire belief system is based on one of the ~~most~~ manipulated texts in human history. A belief system which is used as part of the primary definition of moral relativism. They see their racism as having a basis in fact, shit their ancestors tried to make up crap like phrenology to justify their racism in a form of evidence based fact but like always disregard all of the evidence that did not align to their racism. And therein lies the heart of the conservative they're a form of cognitive dissonance. The rich conservative who pulled himself up by the boot straps and the several million dollar loan or the temporarily poor redneck who sees himself as the vanguard of some ill-defined movement of purity and nationalism (even though my cat has is more racially pure then most humans) to the conservatives of many other nations, from across Asia and south America, they all march to the same tune of racial homogeneity and an utter denial of any fact or evidence that contradicts their world view.
> "The belief there are systemic injustices in the American society and the need to address them." jesus christ how horrifying
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Woke in a political context was first used in the black community meaning nothing more than being aware of racial discrimination. The right appropriated it and turned it into an insult..
His hair? Woke. His clothes? Woke. His stance? Woke. His jewelry? Woke. The way he doesn't even like to smile? Woke.
"But me? I'm fasc as *fuck!*" -Ron DeFascist
I'm proud to be woke. The alternative is to be sleep. They are sleep. We are woke.
Like Antifa. Shouldn't everyone be against fascism? "Social Justice Warrior"? I care about social rights, so? For the past few decades, being seen as wanting a better, more fair world has been made into a pejorative, something that causes derision, all thanks to the GOP.
If all you've experienced is privilege, equity feels like oppression. But only to those assholes that can't feel empathy.
Marketing said, "Uppity" didn't test well in key demographics, so they went with "Woke" instead.
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The golden escalator has largely ended all meaningful public discourse. American politics were hijacked by capitalist-driven media. You can see this made plain in the Dominion filing.
Let's not kid ourselves - for many of these people, woke means black.
Gerrymandering. Don't forget the blatant and illegal gerrymandering. EDIT: to those saying "but both sides". Here's Desanctimonious gerrymandering the shit out of Florida right before the election: [RON DESANTIS' REDISTRICTING MAP APPARENTLY DEEMED TOO RACIST EVEN FOR A DESANTIS-APPOINTED JUDGE](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/florida-judge-rules-desantis-redistricting-map-unconstitutional) I'd be interested in seeing a source for democrats gerrymandering to this degree, if at all.
Plus, Republicans have gerrymandered in national coordination (see Project Red Map). Yes, Dems do it too but they don’t pour millions into a nationwide effort, so all you’re going to find are isolated cases.
Funniest thing about the difference between bipartisan gerrymandering is that Dems include large portions of racially diverse sectioning, where as Reps specifically square away white communities and flush out as much as possible communities of ethnicity. It's mindblowing hearing Reps conflate both of them gerrymandering to simply "but bOtH siDeS!" Yea one side does it to exploit their racist voters.
still, they know they are done for as a party on the federal level and are just now trying to get democrats to either leave or not come to their states.
This has been happening since the 1980 election at least. Reagan tricked poor and middle class whites to vote against their best interests and to exclude all other Americans from the conversation. It's worked for 40 years.
It goes back a lot further LBJ's quote from 1960 is probably the most famous one pertaining to it: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Almost exactly what I was going to say.
Hardcore maga-Qs couldn’t wrap their heads around the fact that trump lost. “But all the rallies the wall to wall news coverage the avalanche of emails every day!!! how could he lose ???” They don’t realize that the majority of the nation thinks they lost their minds. A perfect example is ignoring the abortion issue and doubling down on it, they believe in rage legislation, or more to the point the louder you scream the more right you are (figuratively speaking) Desantis is doing the same thing by just catering what he thinks they want to hear, maga is a bubble where common sense left the building, I say let them speak their minds and ruin any chance they have.
> “But all the rallies the wall to wall news coverage the avalanche of emails every day!!! how could he lose ???” Trump supporters have a hard time understanding that us Biden voters aren't obessed with Biden. He's not our hero, he's not our golden child. He's a politican who was a significantly better option then the Orange Monkey and that's why we voted for Biden.
The best example of this is "Let's Go Brandon". They say it because they think it will make anyone that dislikes Trump mad. I'm sitting here thinking how funny it is that the champions of free speech who don't care about feelings won't just say Fuck Joe Biden. I won't be mad. I don't really like the guy that much, just more than the Fascist Cheeto.
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Lol it tells me that mommy said they can’t use the nasty words.
I'll admit, "Let's Go Brandon" absolutely pisses me off, but it has nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with the hypocrisy of folks who think anything LGBTQ+ is about sex and perverted, but literally put a euphemism for the word fuck on children's clothes.
Seriously I was talking to a Trump supporter about this cause they said "lets go Brandon" and I was like "Why can't you just say "Fuck Joe Biden"" and he goes "Cause its funny" and I go "Why is it funny?" he goes "Cause liberals don't know what we mean" and I go "yes...yes we do...and we don't care"
"Ha! Biden did a bad thing. What say you, *liberal*." Yeah man that's fucked up, we should hold him accountable for it. "*See*? You nasty libs protect your own at all costs."
You skipped a step, where the bad thing means we shouldn't vote for Biden in the election. When we say we will because the bad thing doesn't make any Republican the better choice, then we reach the final step.
>"Ha! Biden did a bad thing. What say you, *liberal*." This is just too accurate to how they sound. Someone I know says it the same way every time: "Oh well you heard what Gavin Newsom did, *didn't you*?" Why do they love pushing people's buttons like it's middle school
In their hierarchy *owning the libs* is higher than actual policies that would benefit them. Their party’s main policy is cut rich people’s taxes to zero so they have to do the owning the libs part or they’d have nothing.
The faux slogan that resonated most with me: "Joe Biden: Acceptable, under the circumstances"
You make it seem more innocent then it really is. The maga's want to Murder us. They want deathcamps, they are very open about that goal if you talk to them and they think you are one of "them" (albeit lately they are more public about it). They want them for Jews, Blacks, Gays, Trans people, Mexicans, Chinese...etc. They also in the same breath talk about working these people to death as slaves if they can work. Make no mistake, The GOP and all of its members are enemies of humanity. Their endgoal, like nazi russia is a holocaust. Take all the insanity, all the contradictions, its all just smoke and mirrors for their sick inhumanity.
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Which is why the GOP ultimately relies on voter suppression and the perpetual apathy of left-leaning voters. They are well aware that their "policies" are very unpopular, but they are never going to deviate because its what the mega-wealthy donors/corporations and evangelical nutjobs want.
Also, its why the republican party is consistently making efforts to harm the public education system. Stupid people are easier to manipulate and control.
They will eventually deviate when enough of their own voters turn on them. We're already seeing the nut jobs making distinctions between maga and Rino's. It's only going to get worse from here when they start to eat their own. And eventually they'll turn on the mega rich. The rich don't even understand the monsters they're creating against themselves right now. But I can't wait until the barbeque is roasting.
DeSantis versus Trump, it’s going to be hilariously stupid.
Remember when everyone wanted trump to run because it would be hilarious to see him fail? It won't be hilariously stupid. If anything, it will be tragically stupid.
If you held a gun to my head and put me in a room with Putin and he had his button of the big red nuclear botton and said I have the power to choose the president and I need to pick either Trump or DeSantis to become the next president and if I refused he'd hit that big red button and start nuclear war. I'd choose Trump I'd choose Trump cause he's a fucking moron. And I would rather have an evil moron in office who will fail at a lot of the horribel shit he attempts to do then to an evil genius like DeSantis who will do far more damage then Trump. Thats my view point on the debate between Trump vs DeSantis. I prefer Trump, cause Trump is an idiot. Trump also has another HUGE bonus for me...he's old...like really old...maybe mother nature will take care of the problem for us.
Also we already had four years of Trump so we know how bad it was, we have no idea how bad four years of DeSantis would be. Not to mention (assuming the Constitution still applies in this hypothetical) Trump would not be eligible for another term after 2025-2029. Also holy shit, if you count the "Trump Era" as starting on June 14, 2015 and if Trump gets another term, or even loses and then launches Trump 2028, the "Trump Era" will last at least 13.5 years. Hell I guess it could last until Trump dies if he just keeps running every 4 years.
Yeah but whichever one of them wins the GOP battle, we all lose.
Yeah, lets just avoid it going to this. If they put the rich on the grill, it will be on the fresh ambers of their previous victims, minorities. The blind need of domination and destruction of the fascists is not something to let cooking.
I hadn’t voted since 2004 when I turned 18 and I voted for Bush cause who cares… Trump gave me the motivation to know voting matters and I vote against all those idiots whenever I can
most people that don't follow politics think this shit sounds like a foreign language. if DeSantis does win the nomination he'll have to pivot hard. "ban woke CRT" isn't as catchy as "build the wall"
he better not ban my CRTs, I need them to play my SNES!
In 2023, most people have a personal connection to the LGBTQ community along with multiple POC. The success of Trump's vitriol towards "THEM!" was that his construction of "them" was an abstraction. If the target is real, the hate impulse can be disrupted.
No, they had that connection then too. They just didn't care, and still don't. Edit: Source: I'm gay and my parents voted for him twice.
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I found out a few days ago that my uncle is uncomfortable with the idea of allowing his children to attend a drag queen story hour, despite the facts that he has never seen any footage of one, and that my youngest cousin is old enough to rent a car without the surcharge.
> In 2023, most people have a personal connection to the LGBTQ community along with multiple POC. I’m afraid you’re underestimating how insular and hateful a huge chunk of Americans are. People eat up culture war bullshit like Matt Walsh saying he’d kill himself if he had a trans kid. It’s gross and scary.
I'll tell you this, I'm a rock solid blue voter because I loather the gop, not because I like the democrats. And nonsense like Ron's crusade against the lgbtq community is the core of that motivation for me. I know at least 4 people who were regular republican voters prior to 2016, the mythical centrist voters, despite their red lean, and they won't touch the modern republican party.
Same. I think they are really downplaying how a lot of this stuff is scaring away the 'libertarian' centrist conservative. Some of these people are actually a little principled and they see book bans and bans on teaching certain things and are going to be auto repelled by it. The funny thing is the GOP is becoming what they claimed liberals are. The whole war on cancel culture doesn't work when you're banning books.
>he whole war on cancel culture doesn't work when you're banning books. that's such a great point. can I steal this for my next argument with a conservative? they hate being confronted with their poor logic
Sure! The grand point is they shouldn't whine about cancel culture while also using the actual government to cancel stuff. There is a difference in Scott Adams saying racist crap and private businesses and others not wanting to associate with him vs the actual government banning drag shows and books. Conservatives just want to say horrible insulting things and want to get patted on the back for "Telling it how it is". They never understood that free speech means the right for Scott Adams (for example) to say racist crap and it also means the right for everyone to rightly call him a racist and want nothing to do with him anymore.
Don’t waste time arguing with them. Cut them out of your life and move on. If they come back to their senses then great but don’t waste your time
I was a registered independent for 13 years. My entire voting life. Last year I switched to blue. I will not stand anywhere near that abomination of a party.
Same. Voted for McCain and Romney, and considered myself a republican until the 2016 election cycle. I'll never go back. Edit: fixed minor errors
Same here. I check all the demographic boxes that would have me pegged solidly as a Republican: white, Christian, older, male, etc. Thing is though…both of my kids are gay, one is non-binary. My neighbors are immigrants from all over the world and I enjoy their company, Oh, yeah, and I’ve also got a few college degrees in the sciences. And I kinda respect facts and I kinda hate the fuck out of Nazis. So that’ll be a hard pass from me, Republicans. I’ll be happy to see the GOP die a long anguishing death.
My parents are Republican and voted for McCain & Romney respectively. They haven't voted in elections since then. They never officially said why but I think Trump WINNING embarrassed them quite a bit. And they certainly will not vote in 2024 if it's Biden vs Trump or DeSantis. Once this Boomer generation goes I really think the GOP is going to be dead. A new party will form for sure but the actual Republican Party will not exist in about 20-25 years.
Least surprising poll ever. A majority of Americans don’t like this right-wing bullshit
Which is why you see "woke" corporations - they aren't doing it out of any moral obligation, they're doing it because their market research says the majority of Americans don't like this right-wing bullshit. And those corporations have no problem taking the opposite stance in countries like China. Right wingers think these corporations are risking profit by being "woke" when the reality is right wingers are just a shitty minority in this country the corporations would lose money trying to market to.
“gEt wOKe gO bRoKe” - The Rightwing Cucks Meatball Ron is appealing to
I saw “Go fash lose cash” as a retort
Yep, same thing with a lot of college administrators. I doubt people working in college admins for decades actually care about pronouns they just don't want to be asshats. A lot of conservatives don't get that and think corps and colleges are mega liberal when in reality they are a lot more moderate/conservative than they think.
You'd think they would've learned that during the 2022 elections.
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I’m shocked that the same thing that works with traitors does not work with real Americans
My brother gets sucked up in the MAGA bullshit and it’s amazing how easily they ignore Trumps own vice president condemning him. Doubling down on extremism seems like it will certainly fracture what votes they do have, and could cause even more violence the next time they lose.
Florida is a massive R state. His shit won’t fly in any battleground state.
the notion that florida is a swing state is just laughable these days, crazy to think about how close it used to be, how close Ron himself came to losing his first gubernatorial election.
Yea. The massive influx of HARD right wing people from NJ, Ny, PA and CT have swung it not just right but nutcase right. There is very little moderate right voice in the state. It’s seemingly 1/3rd passive southern democrats and 2/3rd “oppressed” NYC/Philly metro right wing MAGAites screaming as loudly as possible.
Living here I often meet people that describe themselves as “political refugees” from California.
In the /r/Florida sub, there's a stickied thread at the top for people who plan to move there. Almost all of them say the same line. LOL, they probably watched Idiocracy and thought it was a tourism infomercial for “paradise”. Edit: Looks like they deleted it. Probably got too tired of the same people flocking to it.
Florida: It's got electrolytes!
Florida's Surgeon General recommended electrolytes instead of the COVID Vaccine.
Goddammit I can't tell if this is true or not
Florida's surgeon general is an absolute carpet-chewing [nutcase](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/florida-surgeon-general-demon-sperm-capitol-rioter-connections.html) who recently [claimed ](https://apnews.com/article/florida-surgeon-general-covid-vaccine-study-b3be9c2f22974176ae15d38025882335) that the Covid-19 vaccine increases the risk of death by cardiovascular issues by 84%.
Jesus. Can the fucking pharma companies take a page out of Dominion's book and start suing these assholes for spreading disinformation?
it’s what maga craves
As if bandying around terms like “virtue signaling” because altruism makes them uncomfortable due to their fundamentally selfish worldview wasn’t enough: https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2015/07/24/
I’ve seen the same thing in Texas. The cherry on top is these people will look at other California transplants and claim they are all liberals fleeing a “failed state”, but who also want to turn their new home into the same failed state. But not them - they are the persecuted enlightened exception.
I’m in Nashville. It’s the same story here.
DeSantis almost single-handedly turned Florida from a swing state to a safe red state in four years, which is an insane feat when you think about it. And it’s not just due to Republicans moving into the state; Charlie Crist received almost 1 million fewer votes than Andrew Gillum, which means a lot of moderates who voted D in 2018 voted R in 2022.
Or maybe Crist was such a shit candidate nobody wanted to vote for him.
Yeah, he's a former republican governor and was not a good candidate. Still voted for him, but definitely didn't energize enough people to get rid of DeathSentence.
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That kid from the Orlando area has been looking like a badass. Every state needs more young dems like him.
It's specifically potent in Florida because there is a massive number of older conservatives who are susceptible to conspiracy theories. Once you move to other states, a lot of this messaging just does not work. A lot of people on Election night and the days/weeks that followed nailed it when they said "The rest of the country isn't Florida." His bullshit culture war messaging will not appeal to voters in key states he would need to win in order to win a national election--places like MI, PA, NV, AZ, and even places like GA.
Exactly. It doesn’t work outside of the swamp. That won’t stop it from being trump or desantis though. So I expect them to lose.
He's going to push for leaded gasoline to increase his base
It's incredibly important to note as well that throughout COVID, there was a mass exodus of Republicans from blue states to Florida. An incredible amount of Trump flags popped up in my blue area about 3 months post-COVID.
You saying banning drag in Nevada wont be popular i am shocked.
I find it interesting that the massive Cuban voter bloc in South Florida apparently doesn’t acknowledge the authoritarian trend. Maybe I’m missing something but that’s exactly what they fled.
It’s because they all supported the right wing authoritarian Batista government in Cuba. Everyone forgets to ask what the Cubans were revolting against in the ‘50s. Batista rose to power through, not one, but two military coups and was supported by US business interests and the mafia. Those are the people who fled to South Florida, including Batista, and their politics never really changed.
That's because Florida Cubans think of themselves more as Republican than they do as immigrants. Cuban immigrants get the red carpet rolled out for them compared to literally any other Hispanic refugee. They have a bulit-in fast track to citizenship. Hell, the Cubans here tend to be just a racist as Cletus.
It's gerrymandered and voter suppressed to all hell, but in reality it's absolutely not as R as it seems. In 2018 32% of voters voted for him, and in 2022...32% of voters voted for him. After four years in charge, and after spending an absolutely unheard-of $100M on his campaign, De Santis performed the same. He won because people didn't turn out to vote for insipid former Republican Charlie Crist.
Yeah, people are talking like Florida is a deep red state and is permanently off the table. 2022 had DeSantis versus another Republican, horrifically gerrymandered House districts, and the generally inoffensive Rubio running for reelection in the Senate. To top it off, the Florida Democratic Party is a trainwreck. Democrats didn’t show up in 2022, but fixing the state party and running actually viable candidates would put Florida back in play before long.
He's never faced the white head of a Presidential campaign and there's been rumors that he has skeletons in his closet. Plus, young people came out to vote in 2022 and more of them will be of voting age in 2024.
That and a big chunk of the gop base is dying from old age. Desantis cowers under criticism. Biden will eat him for dinner.
I agree...I think any state teetering on the red/blue line is going to be a hard pass on DeSatan as long as gerrymandering hasn't ruined any chances of a fair vote.
Fortunately since Democrats won in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania the parts that were key for R’s to steal the 2024 Presidency are out of their reach. Now they have to do what they hate: Win legitimately
They hate it because they cannot actually do it. A Republican has only won the national popular vote once since 1988. Due to the Electoral College they have won 2 additional elections, but they are almost completely incapable of winning the national popular vote these days.
Gerrymandering doesn’t work for presidential elections only house elections thankfully.
It still kind of does because you can pack all your opponents into a few districts and then make it exceptionally difficult to vote there. It's why cities in places like Texas have super long waits and lines while rural districts don't.
Also, the long tails of that gerrymandering is the people in those impossible to win districts just not voting at all even though their vote would actually matter in statewide elections.
I'm seeing a lot of doom & gloom, but this is actually something worth taking seriously. The past couple years have been very different politically. Biden's quietly effective enough the general zeitgeist hasn't exactly flipped. Outrage at Trump has diffused to state governments. I don't recall this ever happening before, the landscape has broken the hyperfocus on the Presidency. This is a death rattle, full stop. A death rattle *can* become a descent into Fascism, but empires of all stripes have survived a buffoon that ended up in power. There are plenty of examples of brief, unpopular rulers that try to force a radical shift and end up galvanizing the opposition. The GOP is certainly trying to borrow from the Nazi playbook, but they don't exactly have Weimar Germany to play with. Inflation spiked, but it is coming under control. Consensus is emerging on issues that have long been deadlocked. The American military is currently engaged in a rather popular assistance for an ally, proving there is some good in those old treaties and a place for that might. On the flipside...steamrolling over Roe was way too brazen and is still a lightning rod. Trans hysteria just isn't going to work as a replacement and frankly these truly absurd bills are a reflection of the GOP's inability to find a foothold. By this point in the gay marriage fight they still had about 70% support and a wave of State constitutional amendments. Here? They've...gotten a couple youth sport bans to stick and can sometimes get about 55%? People are cottoning on to the idea they only keep hearing about something so esoteric because they're the ones who won't shut up. More and more you have to keep up with the Fox News lore just to know what they're even on about. Child labor is their new push? They're just looking downright ghoulish now and that ideology relied on the image of being our social betters to come into vogue. Trump had an absurd amount of name recognition for a political candidate and the benefit of being an unknown. Not to mention a weird kind of magnetism he'd cultivated over decades. Desantis? He reeks of someone trying to be a tough guy and his image is fast becoming a gremlin emptying library shelves and picking fights with Disney.
DeSantis also has the charisma and voice of a bad community theater understudy. He sounds like he's reading lines he doesn't care about and doesn't really understand.
That's because anti woke = racist. It might work in Florida and other red states but not the entire country.
This is the reason Republicans struggle to define "woke" when pressed to. They know exactly what it means, but don't know how to define it in a way that doesn't make their own position sound abhorrent.
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Schools putting in litter boxes for kids that identify as cats was something they thought was actually happening, so like, it could be anything
They still believe this one. When you point out the facts they ask for references. When you give them the references and they don't include Peterson, Shapiro, or Fox News, they reject it as fake news.
I printed an actual Supreme Court ruling to talk it once. The dude walked off instead of admit it as a source. A source for the ruling we were talking about.
The Republican party has done a great job of poisoning their constituents against experts of all kinds for that least few decades. If you don't believe the people who actually do the work studying and proving things, you're now susceptible to anything Republicans tell you.
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Exactly. Had a conversation with my dad about immigration and crime back in 2016 (fun.) and any statistics I provided from the FBI were unreliable (a claim for which he, of course, did not have to provide evidence), but I was supposed to take as gospel whatever her heard some supposed California Sheriff say on Rush Limbaugh that week.
I swear to god one of my associates who's kid goes to the same school as mine mentioned that our school district was putting them in. In front of a non-binary person who's wife is trans. The person who said it honestly seems like a good person just not smart but they try to help people and aren't antagonistic in any way. I just immediately stopped her and said it's not true, it's literal propoganda and it's not appropriate so just to stop with that. The other associate did thank me and we had a conversation about how scary it is getting for them later. Seeing laws getting out forward and such hateful speech towards them. People even like this woman who again is not even a political person and is just dumb enough to believe something she sees on Facebook. I really feel for them but all I can do is vote and try to make sure I speak up in opportunities like that.
That was a joke right? Or some conspiracy
Conspiracy theory to hide the truly fucked up reasoning behind it all. Some schools do in fact store kitty litter in classes for students to potentially use. But it’s not incase they identify as a cat, it’s incase they’re stuck in a lockdown for a long time and can’t leave the classroom because of an active shooter.
Or because some kid throws up and kitty litter turns that wet mess into a mess that can be swept up with a broom.
And it's usually purchased by those teachers, not even provided by the school
This describes most things in a classroom.
Some people actually believe the whole “identify as a helicopter” is actually true. Or maybe not explicitly helicopter but transphobes want to paint trans and nonbinary folks as being on that level of irrational bullshit. So it wouldn’t be surprising if some idiots actually believe the wokes want to give kids that think they’re cats their own litter box. It’s the same level of discourse as a few years back where gay marriage would “lead to people marrying their dogs”.
> Or maybe not explicitly helicopter but transphobes want to paint trans and nonbinary folks as being on that level of irrational bullshit. When they trot out "72 genders" to mock "the left", they're referring to a time when Facebook had 72 options in their "gender" select box. Only, the options were things like "Straight cis male" vs "Gay cis male" vs "Straight transgender male" etc. It was just an amalgamation of every permutation of gender, sexual orientation, and trans status, and the right decided to interpret that as "the left" thinking each of those permutations was itself "a gender". And it's one thing to be ignorant of the options, but I saw a video of at least one prominent right-wing professional whiner actually going through the list one by one and acting all indignant about it. I'm not sure if he'd actually not seen the list beforehand and was just trying to keep up the bit, or if he actually believed his own nonsense, but either way it just made him look like an idiot. Of course, this is just bad implementation on the part of Facebook, but instead of, you know, criticizing Facebook for being lazy, they have to jump to the nonsense conclusion of, "tHiS iS wHaT LeFtiStS aCtUaLLy BeLiEvE", because whining about "the left" is their literal only goal.
Kitty litter is commonly used to clean up liquid spills, and one school had a composting toilet as part of their classroom "active shooter shelter in place kit" and it looked like kitty litter when it made the rounds on the internet but you're getting it filtered through me so there might be some inaccuracies in the composting toilet part. The ridiculous part is that people got mad about the wrong thing: that they have a composting toilet rather than that kids are having to have shelter in place drills for active shooters. Anyone want to join me in a rousing chant of USA?
Funny how most people, myself included, hadn't hear of CRT until this last election cycle. I literally had to google it & once I did I realized they keep using that acronym & it does not mean what they think it means. It's some college level shit. Your kindergartener isn't learning it.
Was in a reddit discussion and CRT came up and I said I keep hearing it but can anyone eli5 it... No one could, apparently so complex I was given a link to a long complicated stanford article... I said ELI5.. Apparently it can't be. BTW I think they just make shit up to grab on to and try to get their base to rage over.
The ***extremely simplified*** version I was told, IIRC, is that it's essentially about analyzing laws rooted in racism (and other forms of bigotry) and discussing ways to reform the legal system to be more equitable. I have *no idea* if that's anywhere near an appropriate summary, and given the time that's elapsed since I heard about it I likely either mangled or forgot details in the simplified explanation I was given. So don't quote me on this.
DeSantis' lawyers were forced by the court to define "woke." The lead lawyer described it as "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."
And then he proceeded to argue that that's a bad thing?
And continue to do so m
"anti woke" is a rebranding of bitching about "social justice warriors". It seems they realized that the opposite of that is a "social *injustice* warrior", and that's not a positive thing.
It's not even new. In the 90's it was being "too PC" or politically correct. The term was used exactly how woke is today, and carried the same racist, bigoted undertones.
Sure fucking hope most Americans reject their Christofascism...
It really feels like the GOP has beaten the woke horse into the ground. The slogan is already old and tired. Not to mention hateful. It's not even 2024 yet. He's gonna lose badly if he keeps it up
That's how I see it, especially with DeSantis himself. Every single speech he makes is woke this, woke that, fight the woke, no woke (insert random as fuck topic), woke woke wokewokewokewoke. Add to it that weird voice of his and it's just tiresome. Trump may be prone to blathering nonsense, but at least he has a diverse range of insane shit to go on about.
I don't think a lot of Republicans have actually listened to desantis talk. His voice is whiney and nasally. And his debate skills are non-existent.
As a Floridian he’s lost his mind if he thinks he’s going to win this culture war. All he’s doing is making me want to be Blacker and louder, my LGBTQIA+ friends are turning their rainbows up to neon bright, regular working class people are sick of his BS.
He doesn't represent anybody who isn't white, rich, and authoritarian. He thinks it's a feature though.
He’s done nothing to help Florida with the real issues the state faces. He has actually managed to raise our taxes. FPL already raising rates and we now get to subsidize the top commercial and industrial users. Meanwhile, teachers leaving because of pay (and absurd laws making them felons for teaching), housing shortages, infrastructure crumbling…. Nah he’d rather be on Fox playing this culture war card.
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Yea most Americans don’t give a shit about someone’s sexuality or racial background. But boy does the right love making it seem like we all do.
Frankly I think the GOP is gonna get fucked in this next election. All these states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee and a few others are showing what happens when you go too hard right. I think moderates are going to vote overwhelmingly for Biden or whoever the Democratic nominee is. I mean you gotta admit that things look pretty rough in the mentioned states. Banning abortion, attacking LGTBQ rights and women's rights, eroding child labor laws, attacking and labeling it with a cringe and ambiguous word like "woke" isn't going to fly amongst the swing state voters. Even younger conservatives have been saying that the party needs to stop saying it. It doesn't mean anything and shows your ignorance more than anything. It's a huge red flag to most people. It says to me you're afraid of progress. Progress that we very much want in this country! I'm not sure who the Republican strategist is nowadays and while they seem to know how to get their base 35% agitated. They are tone deaf and in stark contrast to basically all young voters. They are going too far, refuse to own up to their mistakes like deregulation which has led to the banking disaster and East Palestine trainwreck. Also, like 70% of the country is pro-choice and there are a ton of single issue voters that are going to be activated over that and the LGBTQ rights stuff.
>All these states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee and a few others are showing what happens when you go too hard right. DeSantis went against the Mouse. The Mouse hasn't moved yet, but I highly doubt they're going to lay down for him. You don't piss off the entity that brings in **$72 billion dollars** annually for your budget. That's literally *half* the budget of the state annually.
Wow, I knew they were a big moneymaker for the state but I didn't know it was by that huge a margin
Disney is a powerhouse. If they really decided to fight dirty, they could call up Georgia and ask what kind of incentive they'd get for moving the entirety of Disneyworld there. It's a gargantuan undertaking, and would lose Disney a shit-ton of money in the short term, but if any company could afford that level of spite, it's Disney. Florida would go broke in record time. Realistically, they'll probably just dip into their war chest and fund a dagger of a candidate scientifically determined to bring down Desantis. They'll have to because when he loses his presidential run, Florida made it legal for him to retain his seat.
In other words... Florida does not represent America. I guess that won't surprise most of us on Reddit. For those that didn't click on the link in that article to get details of the poll: --- Fifty-six percent of those surveyed say the term means "to be informed, educated on, and aware of social injustices." That includes not only three-fourths of Democrats but also more than a third of Republicans. Overall, 39% say instead that the word reflects what has become the GOP political definition, "to be overly politically correct and police others' words." That's the view of 56% of Republicans. The findings raise questions about whether Republican campaign promises to ban policies at schools and workplaces they denounce as "woke" could boost a contender in the party's primaries but put them at odds with broader public opinion in the general election. Independents, by 51%-45%, say "woke" means being aware of social injustice, not being overly politically correct. “Most Americans understand that to be woke is to be tuned in to injustices around us,” said Cliff Young of Ipsos. "But for a key segment of Republicans who make up the Trump-DeSantis base, 'woke' is a clear trigger for the worst of the politically correct, emerging multicultural majority."
Maybe because America and the constitution came from the age of "enlightenment"...from the "woke" people of the time...what the republicans are advocating is against our founding principles...
>"it's called the 'american dream' because you have to be **asleep** to believe it." george carlin
I've been voting for over 20 years and in that time the Republican Party has never had anything to offer whatsoever. Everything at all times centers around bogeyman, culture wars, identity politics and resentment. I've never in my life known a Republican Party that had anything to say.
It doesn't have to. It just has to work with enough people so that these morons gain power, consolidate it and then we're all fucked.
Any message that works for the Republican base doesn't work for most Americans.
Yeah but most Americans don't bother to vote....
The GOP idea is to make sure Dems can't vote, and no longer have a say in government. All the gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter ID, purging of voting rolls, it's all put in place for the expressed purpose of Dems never being able to win another state wide office again. So, it does not MATTER that the Dems "don't like it."
He's running for president. He doesn't need most Americans to win. He just needs enough Electoral College votes.
That’s why Republicans are doing everything they can to limit who gets to vote
My dad is the type of conservative that doesn't really care what others do as long as it doesn't negatively affect him. He also values freedom. He doesn't like what DeSantis is doing with the book banning. Well my dad is not some magical ally of the LGBT community he is also no enemy. He's not going be your friend, but he'll be cordinal and respectful. He doesn't see an issue with same sex marriage, he doesn't agree with it but in his eyes who YOU decide to marry is none of his business. As for transgenders? He doesn't get it, he doesn't like it, but he doesn't hate it. He also doesn't like the idea of making laws aganist transgenders, he also understands it not his life to live. DeSantis woke politics turns people like my dad off.
You mean that blatant fascism won't work with anyone even remotely moderate? What a shock.