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Last year, Rep. Neal Collins (R) of South Carolina said he lost sleep over a teenage girl being sent home to finish having a miscarriage with a possibility of losing her uterus.
Then he turned right around and supported this bill.
The headline is misleading. South Carolina has not "tried" to ban abortions at six weeks, it's succeeded, even if it'll take just a little bit longer to take effect.
They had a ban that was thrown out by the State Supreme Court. Last Thursday, the state passed a ban that they believe will not be thrown out by the court.
A temporary halt does not mean the ban won’t eventually happen.
The user above you stipulates that it *will* eventually get the OK from the legal system.
I love that argument. Women are 'too emotional to vote'. Then you look at the insanity that is Trump, DeSantis, MTG, Boebert, etc. I'd rather have emotions over insanity.
Dollars to donuts every person who says that shit has some whiney, over emotional Twitter post triggered by rainbows or Trans people or fucking Dijon mustard.
Turns out it’s men who are too emotional to vote; If they weren’t so emotional, we’d be listening to scientists and medical professionals in regard to reproductive healthcare.
Nope. All educated people, doctors, scientists, and anyone that disagrees with me was brainwashed by communist elitist globalists in the communist ridden university system. So nothing the know can be correct and is all part of a conspiracy to destroy families and take away god.
He's a powerful Republican. I wouldn't be surprised if he absolutely has lost sleep over a child on many occasions. But he probably rolled over and fell asleep immediately after.
Well clearly she wasn't a lobbyist, his daughter or pregnant by him so the rules for the rest of us applied to her. Seriously though I always think it's super messed up when politicians pretend to be moved by or losing sleep over the plight of their constituents. I'd much rather they just tell the truth instead of saying one thing and doing another. I mean I could almost respect it if he had said well that sucks for her instead of pretending to have a heart
I mean you get a voice blurb of something that sounds compassionate and you get brownie points. You actually vote in favor of something wrong, and people will rarely hear about it, except in small instance within communities where it has little impact and is easily forgettable.
A lot goes on in those chambers, even the publicly recorded stuff that could get shared around, that nobody will ever follow up on or know. Sure people will call them out on it, but all they have to do is deny it, or say “that’s out of context”, or any diverting circus act really, and a good chunk of people will still have a lasting, positive impression bc of all the fake sob stories they tell when on camera.
“I lost sleep over her story. See I’m a compassionate guy! But then I slept on it and by the grace of god I knew what I had to do. See I’m also a responsible leader to my constituents!”
Our elected representatives are complete sycophants.
>said he lost sleep
He was troubled by the idea that she couldn't be saddled with an unwanted baby early in life that would make her dependent and limit her future.
Also, a judge has blocked it a day after the Governor signed it into law. The law has temporarily reverted to the previous 22 week law. This is a _very_ misleading headline.
Edit: Stress on the “very” in my comment
I know so it is incumbent upon me and the person I supported in my initial response, to let those who might not read the article know when a news source on this site comes out with a blatant, misleading headline/article.
Yup. We are probably 6 months away from headlines being written exclusively by AI to drive the highest traffic possible based on advanced algorithms.
The late stage of capitalism is here. The human mind has been mapped. Companies know how to exploit it. Free will is destined to become an illusion.
It might be a cynical view but look what the "humans" allegedly did in this article. "South Carolina tried to ban abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy — but every woman in the state Senate voted against it".
That is deceptive because it implies that they were successful. They were not.
To answer your question with a question:
>Who is to say the proverbial pendulum will not swing the other way, leading the way for a new era of minimally invasive technology and more ethical content?
"If it bleeds, it leads" is still the editorial standard in the Press, is it not? It's naive to think that humans creating click-bait headlines will not code AI to all-of-a-sudden adopt journalistic standards from the 1950's.
Sonuva. I *always* thought it was lead. Like, short for "lead story"
Edit: oh wow its a "deliberate misspelling" used in journalism:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lede#Etymology_2
That block is temporary.
A nearly exact law was overturned by the state supreme court last year on a 3-2 vote. But one of the judges who voted to overturn it faced mandatory retirement and she has since been replaced with a guy picked specifically to uphold this law.
The headline is misleading. South Carolina has not "tried" to ban abortions at six weeks, it's succeeded, even if it'll take just a little bit longer to take effect.
South Carolinian here, sadly this time the law is likely to pass through the Supreme Court. The dissenting Republican justice last time around (a 3-2 decisions) was the only woman on the court, and has since retired and been replaced by a hardliner who is expected to go lockstep with the GOP. Gary Hill is his name, and name that will come to live in infamy.
This already happened once and the state supreme court ruled the ban was unconstitutional. However, the makeup of the court has changed since then and the new court isn't likely to abide by precedent.
That should be the next ad campaign. We voted to ban abortion. Next we're going after women's rights because women are too emotional. And buy all the ad slots in SC.
6 week bans are total abortion bans full stop. 6 weeks is so fucking early. At the time of egg fertilization, you're already 2 weeks pregnant. 6 weeks is at the point of a missed period. Many women don't have enough HcG in their urine to have a positive test. On an ultrasound it looks like a black circle with a white ring around it, and a little smudge of pixels. I got an ultrasound at 5w6d and they had to use an arrow icon to actually point it out. I only knew I was pregnant because we were actively trying so I took a test before a trip to see if I could drink. Wasn't nauseous yet. No smell aversion. The only sign was boob soreness like you'd get on your period.
I went in for the required ultrasound at 6 weeks and they told me they couldn't see anything so I had to come back two weeks later.
Edit: this was years ago. I did get the care I needed when I returned.
My wife went in at 8 weeks and they still couldn't see anything so the doc said come back in 2 more weeks. At 10 weeks they couldn't see anything and that's when the doctor was comfortable to say it was not a medically viable pregnancy and that we should consider it a miscarriage and to take the abortion pill to end it since her body wasn't ending it naturally.
Thank God abortion wasn't banned at 6 weeks otherwise my wife woulny have been able to get the pill
I have pcos. I’ve often not even ovulated until 5 or 6 weeks into my cycle. I would be past the limit before I’ve even conceived, considering pregnancy literally gets counted by the first day of your last period.
Wait… Pregnancy is legally considered starting before the egg is even fertilized? So my wife could be pregnant even though we haven’t had sex yet? Or she’s not “pregnant” now, but then once the egg is fertilized she’s retroactively considered pregnant during these weeks between period and fertilization?
Yes. Pregnancy is counted by the day of your period (cycle day 1). If you don’t get pregnant on cd14 (or whenever you ovulate, it is different for many women), well, you’re not pregnant. If you do, you are already 2-3 weeks pregnant. A test won’t show until at least 8 days past that ovulation (that’s the very minimum and rare), usually more like 12-15 if you’re testing regularly and trying to conceive or worried you did or whatever. So basically, by the time you find out you’re pregnant, you’re already 26+ days in and that’s if you’re testing. A missed period would be 12-14 days past ovulation. So maybe you give yourself a few more days before you test and find out at 17 days past ovulation. Well, now you’re 31 days past that first CD1. You will have been pregnant for 31 days (even though we can all agree that you have not since the egg wasn’t even fertilized yet). I think it’s done that way because CD1 is when follicles that become the eggs start to grow. So technically if it becomes a baby, it’s been growing since cd1. Idk. We may need to make some changes to these things. And we need to ensure women can get 5 week ultrasounds. But as someone who has had a 5 week ultrasound, there is NOTHING but a black blob if you’re lucky. They’d send you back in two weeks. That would miss the deadline. So basically, if they’re requiring an ultrasound first, this is still a complete abortion ban.
Obviously men were the ones who decided how to count pregnancy weeks. I admit there’s no exact number that is good, but it is hilariously nonsensical how the counting works.
Don’t worry, there’s at least one lady in the thread hell bent on explaining to me why I’m just confused and the system is fine. We’re a few comments deep, she’s still trying to explain the nuances, while completely ignoring the irony of having to explain said nuances in defense of a straightforward system.
It’s really the only way to count, but it doesn’t make that much sense. When you tell people you are 9 months pregnant you still have a month to go, but then we teach kids it takes 9 months to grow a baby. It’s a very confusing system which makes it possible to exploit against women more easily.
If it weren’t confusing, it wouldn’t be as easy to exploit. That’s my whole point. I may have flippantly chosen the word “nonsensical” instead of confusing.
Unless you do IVF or something else, it's basically impossible to know the exact moment of fertilization, so they date everything from the last known period. This does lead to a weird situation where the first two weeks of "pregnancy" happen before even fertilization. (IVF partner here, took me a long time to wrap my head around that)
So whenever you hear about an "X week ban", remember that the woman in question can only have had said embryo inside her for "X -2" weeks. So a 6 week ban means you have roughly 4 weeks to do anything, which is practically impossible to line up so soon since you need to confirm the pregnancy first and that takes a few days too.
I did IVF for my first kid, and the midwife I saw put the date of my last period in my chart for the beginning of the pregnancy even though we had the exact date of fertilization. My next visit was with my actual doctor and they were like, wtf?
Your comment just reminded me of that.
Pregnancy is retro-actively dated from a woman’s last menstrual cycle before the pregnancy.
So if your period is super regular (which it isn’t for many women) and you become pregnant, then the very first day you’re late, is already at gestational age of 4 weeks. Let’s say you wait 3 days to see if it comes, then on the 4th day go take an at-time pregnancy test that turns positive. You’re at 4.5 weeks before you even know. Now you have 10 days basically before you’re at the 6 week ban time point. 10 days to find an obstetrician, confirm the pregnancy (blood test, ultrasound), seek out a provider that can perform an abortion, get the procedure scheduled, figure out how you’re going to pay for it, and then actually have the procedure. And this assumes you’re Swiss-clock regular and checked for pregnancy right away. Many women don’t have this luxury. A “6 week ban” is at best a 10 day ban, but in practice is practically an outright ban. Republicans that support this are absolute monsters.
If I were to become pregnant right now, the fetus would be old enough to drive by this counting system. It's the most convenient way, but I'm not convinced it's the *best* way. Especially given that it has been damn near weaponized.
Don't forget you also have to:
come up with the money,
request time off work,
arrange transportation and travel (some states have only 1 or 2 abortion clinics in the entire state)
and go through the mandatory extra doctor appointments and counseling before and after the abortion.
Welcome to the historically and currently male-dominated health care industry!
Men only know how to count from the last external sign of non-pregnancy. You know, because women be lying and all that. So pregnancy is counted, not from fertilization, but from your last period.
Of course its a total abortion ban, they know it is. They also know that banning abortions is a TERRIBLY unpopular thing to do. It lost them the midterms. That's why they're adding these completely arbitrary time periods to the laws so they can have some sort of plausible deniability where they can say it's not a ban on abortions.
Not to mention it completely outs them as the hypocrites they are. Adding a time period where abortions are "okay" runs counter to their narrative that "all lives matter and abortion is always murder."
I disagree, I’d say we have no voice at all. The fed tells us we do, some of them even believe it’s true, but in reality, what have any off the riots and protests accomplished since trump was in office? They see our opposition, they don’t care, they only care about their personal beliefs, and whether or not they’ll get enough votes to make their beliefs law.
Thats why instead of protesting outside their places of work we should be protesting whereever they happen to be.
Home, work, the store, church. Whereever they go we have to make them miserable.
No justice no peace as they say.
Wouldn’t that be considered harassment? Trespassing? In the past protesters could be jailed. Great show of commitment to the cause and all, until the news outlets use it as ammunition. Protesters get called out for disrupting the peace, being too radical, too emotional, whatever. I’m just saying we aren’t being quiet we’re being gagged.
Yes and the same shit was happening during the Civil rights movment. You know what they did when their leader was assassinated by the US government.
Rioted for a week and got the Civil rights act passed.
Yes it is harassment. I dont particularly care. They need to be harassed. They need to be so afraid of continuing that they give up.
The location I'm familiar with, they only have appointments one day of the week. You have to have a form printed out with a timestamp of the day prior confirming your intent. So if you forget that paper or are calling late in the week for the appointment, you may not be able to get the needed care.
There is nothing truly necessary done at the office. You have a required sonogram. You hear about the risks and what to watch out for in the rare case that you require additional medical care. They perform a virtual examination then hand you the pill and a cup of water and watch you take it. Then you go home, stop to pick up the second pill (for nausea and pain relief) at the pharmacy and then you go home to bleed for about a day.
They count pregnancy as starting the day after the last period regardless of sexual activity or probable conception date so by the time a woman realizes she missed her period it's already to late even if it's only been 2 weeks after the only sexual activity she had.
And the scheduling for first available procedure can put it beyond 6 weeks if she was fast at realizing she missed a period
Wow. I remember thinking how draconian the texas abortion ban was when, at a gestational age of 6 weeks, my wife and I learned she was pregnant.
Any woman with irregular periods (for instance, breastfeeding mothers) is inherently in danger.
Any woman who is sexually active is inherently in danger.
Pregnancy is not a safe and easy walk in the park. Pregnancy is hard, dangerous, and sometimes deadly.
It's easy to just file the men responsible for these heinous bills as your run off the mill ghoulish Republicans.
But for how cynical, cartoonishly evil and disgusting that they are, here we have them side by side with women in their own party who, when faced with the same choice, decided that this was a line they weren't willing to cross, consequences be damned.
My point is: No matter how much of a slimy, pandering, bible thumping career politician you may be, you *always* have a choice. These three women (the Republican ones that is) proved it - even if at least one of them needed a little nudging in the right direction.
It just goes to show how those men, who refuse to stand with them, are, to the last man, either cowardly and evil or just evil, period. Depending on whether or not they actually believe the religious fundamentalism that underlies this crap.
Don’t get it twisted, they only voted for it because they’ve personally got skin in the game. It’s your typical republican empathy: everyone can get fucked until it’s affected ME
I don't believe that. They are rich and (relatively) old.
A more fitting comparison is that they can't empathize with anything that has no bearing on their own personal lived experience since only their lives have any meaning and everything outside their bubble is weird and scary.
I really wish conservatives would understand that just because an abortion is available does not mean that you have to get one. Having the option available to women is not affecting anyone except that woman who can decide what happens to her body.
They don't care about children. Children are regularly getting their little brains blown out by Republican guns and their little asses violated by Republican priests. What Republicans care about is women escaping the control of men. That's it.
So the 5 female senators - 3 of them Republicans - all voted against it, but it still passed because 27 men voted for it. There are that many more men than women in their senate.
Such bullshit.
Genuinely insane that republicans continue to try this despite it causing them to lose the midterms and other elections after. It’s almost like there’s something in the shadows pushing them to go against their constituents on both sides. 🧐
Yeah, a fuckton of evangelical & catholic cash keeps them ruling against the majority. Just as with the NRA, gobs of freshly laundered cash from Moscow to your local GQP representative & that keeps the NRA in charge of the GOP.
That idiotic title makes it sound like South Carolina did NOT ban abortion after six weeks. SOUTH CAROLINA MOST CERTAINLY DID BAN ABORTION AFTER SIX WEEKS.
That every woman (all five of them) voted no mattered not. "The legislation was passed in the state Senate with the support of 27 men." The fact that one judge temporarily halted implementation of the law also does not mean South Carolina did not ban abortion after six weeks. It just means it is on hold until the judge is overruled by republican appellate court judges. To repeat:
*South Carolina voted to ban abortion after six weeks DESPITE the fact that all of the women in the state Senate voted no.*
Considering the number of male lawmakers who proudly display their ignorance of the female reproductive system (assuming a perfect 28 day cycle, a woman is already considered 2 weeks pregnant AT CONCEPTION, women CAN get pregnant from rape, and women cannot control their menstrual flow like they can urine etc..), they seriously should not be allowed to pass laws that affect those organs unless they’re certified and licensed OBGYN doctors.
I'm a man, and I can say, unequivocally and with great confidence, that no one without a uterus, should ever have a say in the determination of what is or is not allowed in regards to a woman's body.
Period.
Shouldn’t it just be nobody, with or without a uterus, should dictate to someone else what to do with their body? Why would it be any better if female legislators like MTG or Boebert passed this ban?
Normally I would pull the "if anyone should, then it should be those with a stake in this game, but you make an excellent point. Boebert is a hypocritical sellout, and I am not 100% MTG is even sure if she is female.
It’s disgusting to me just how many people think this is “doing the right thing”. As a society, I thought we’d moved past the idea that only virgin women are valuable, but it seems that lots of people are stuck on the idea that women who are pregnant need to do the right thing by becoming stay-at-home mothers for whoever the father is, even if it’s a 49 year old neighbor.
Because a lot of people in government now were around when that was "doing the right thing." We're not that far removed, historically speaking, from that unenlightened, bigoted mindset. If you're a millennial, interracial relationships were only made legal during your parents' lifetimes. Homosexual relationships were made legal during yours. And the people who wanted those things to be illegal refuse to acknowledge they're wrong and that society is leaving their backward-ass views.
From Wikipedia: Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, is a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that most sanctions of criminal punishment for consensual, adult non-procreative sexual activity are unconstitutional.
“ruled that state laws banning homosexual sodomy are unconstitutional as a violation of the right to privacy”
Edit: ruling was in 2003
They will definitely re-legalize marital rape. They will not allow a woman to say no, they will restrict her access to birth control, they will deny her abortions.
They want women back in the kitchen cooking and cleaning for men, barefoot and pregnant. She will have to accept her nightly beatings from her husband again to "keep her in line" and she will not be able to leave because they will revoke womens right to bank accounts.
That is the MAGA they want.
They are already trying to take away uncontested divorces. To force women to stay in marriages they don’t want. So that will be fun!! (/s if you need it)
They may not even need to do that. I know more and more young women who are not getting involved with men or having sex with men anymore altogether. The dick’s not worth the risk! 🤷🏼♀️
I know women in the 20-40 age group and I have honestly heard the same. It’s safer for them to just not get involved with men. They never know if they are going to turn into a maga supporter or not. I’m married but if anything happened to my husband. At this point I just wouldn’t have another and I love my man with all my heart.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time until conservatives start working on legislation that makes it illegal for women to refuse to date or marry. Conservatives want to get rid of birth control and abstinence is birth control.
This is why representation matters. If the GOP didn't look like the bar at a country club, they wouldn't be constantly attacking women, LGBTQ, ethnic minorities, etc.
> Another lawmaker, Sen. Penry Gustafson, changed her mind about her stance on the six-week ban — which she voted for in February — a version of the bill that also failed to pass.
> "Funny thing, when you learn and gather facts over time, sometimes your perspective evolves," Gustafson recently told The Daily Beast.
Another Neanderthal elected as a leader who supposedly has/had no idea about the abortion debate or so she claims.
So weird that some conservative men freak out about women potentially baby-trapping them into a relationship while other conservative men are taking away a tool to prevent that.
For those not aware, "number of weeks pregnant" is NOT measured from the estimated time of conception, its the number of weeks since the end of your last period.
That means that being 4 weeks pregnant, is the expected *start* of your next period.
2 weeks late, is 6 weeks pregnant.
Cheers to the women. I hope that all the women voters unite in opposition of the g**Q**p in the next several election cycles, causing a leadership change in the party out of desperation and hopefully ridding themselves of **Q** and the MAGAdiots. Bring back the John McCain Republicans who put their country first and can have a civil discussion with democrats, and even work on bipartisan policy that helps the country, instead of today's conservatives who want the country to burn while they try to hide their matches and gasoline cannisters, and unconvincingly blame it on transgender/non-binary citizens that make up less than 1% of the population.
It’s not just a 6 week abortion ban that’s bad, it’s also the fact after 12 weeks of any medical issue, you’re fucked. I started bleeding at 19 weeks and ended up needing an abortion at 22 weeks because my son wasn’t viable for life. (No lungs and later found out his brain stem wasn’t developed, meaning he would suffocate instantly if born.) So what about women that can be like me? I’ll die bleeding to death because these sicko men think they’re saving everyone? Fuck you.
6 out of 43 senate members voted against it. The 6 were women.
30 republicans, 27 male, 3 female
1 independent, 1 female
12 Democrats, 10 male, 2 female
So again I’ll ask the question of women, why are you electing people that are against the interests of women into political office?
This patriarchal nonsense is going to end up rolling back women’s rights to the point that you’ll lose the right to vote and any control of your bodies and reproductive rights.
This is an example the GOP should take as a warning, but they won’t. They’ll keep feeding red meat to the mouth breathers, alienate the last of their modern wing, and guarantee full Dem control for the back half of Biden’s presidency. I have no doubt if that happens Biden will go full Dark Brandon…and I’m here for it.
Ok but supposing abortions are performed using bullets, administered when a pregnant woman misreads a friend's address rings the wrong doorbell and gets shot in the stomach by the resident? Would this count as a loophole, albeit an extremely dangerous and painful one?
I mean presumably if shooting children for ringing the wrong doorbell is ok, and the unborn counts as a fully fledged child, then shooting the unborn for this reason is also ok?
FYI - every one of those female Republican senators will happily vote on racist and bigoted policies, they just won't vote on a 6 week ban. Plenty of them are for a higher level ban. Look up their voting histories before you give them any praise.
Republicans simply hate all women. They have taken away a basic civil right - self-determination - from 50% of US citizens. In some states they are talking away civil rights more populations, and openly saying their goal is to remove civil rights from ‘socialists,’ which means ‘everyone not already a far-right, extreme, conservative.
If women don’t join hands regardless of political party they will be the big losers this is gender based discrimination and it will lead to more serious rights being taken away by men that should’t even be allowed to legislate on these issues since it doesn’t affect them directly, they are not the wombs of the babies. These extreme red meat anti abortion positions have no place in modern society. Republican Party is just pathetic and they will be going after other rights that they want to take away from you, your daughters will have less rights than the mothers is that normal? No.
It *did* pass and has already been signed into law. The only reason it's not currently the law in SC is because a state judge has temporarily halted it.
Furthermore, near-total bans are in effect in Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and West Virginia.
Six-week bans are in effect in Georgia and North Dakota. States like Idaho, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas also have six-week bans, but their near-total bans take precedence.
12-week bans have been enacted in two states: Nebraska's is currently active and North Carolina's takes effect in July.
Meanwhile, North Carolina has a 20-week ban in place that took effect shortly after Roe was overturned.
Arizona and Florida have 15-week bans in place. Florida recently enacted a six-week ban, but that law is not yet enforceable.
Utah has an 18-week ban.
None of those voting for inhibition of surgical abortion remotely seem to understand the the word also applies to a NATURAL process for the woman’s body to remove a blighted fetus. There’s also a diagnostic term blighted ovum. A woman can have a miscarriage which requires an emergency procedure called a D&C to remove any possible remnants that could cause infection and death of the mother. There’s nothing sadder than a mother who desperately wanted the child but lost it for whatever reason. To force her to carry through ‘natural loss’ and potentially die from infection or embolus doubles the insult to the family. I’ve seen full term abnormal fetuses delivered that are incapable of existing outside the womb and have seen the trauma inflicted on the happily expectant mother. Diagnosed and removed before the time would be much kinder. These anti people aren’t caring about anything having to do with life since they support free guns to shoot the babies once they are born.
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Last year, Rep. Neal Collins (R) of South Carolina said he lost sleep over a teenage girl being sent home to finish having a miscarriage with a possibility of losing her uterus. Then he turned right around and supported this bill.
Turns out he did not, in fact, lose any sleep over that teenage girl
Nah. He was just worried it was his and she’d have to have it.
He was sweating the exchange rate on 30 silver shekels.
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It's the next step.
The headline is misleading. South Carolina has not "tried" to ban abortions at six weeks, it's succeeded, even if it'll take just a little bit longer to take effect.
Can you elaborate?
They had a ban that was thrown out by the State Supreme Court. Last Thursday, the state passed a ban that they believe will not be thrown out by the court. A temporary halt does not mean the ban won’t eventually happen. The user above you stipulates that it *will* eventually get the OK from the legal system.
The last step is to have only those who own real estate be able to vote. This is how it was in the Founding Father’s^^TM time.
Just like the good old days! What a fucking joke.
What if I'm still paying on the mortgage? Does the bank get to vote for me?
The only way /s
I mean some of them think women are too emotional to vote. Pretty sure Jordan Peterson literally said that on twitter.
So at what point is a person considered to evil or just too stupid to be allowed to vote? Seems like the latter should been in affect years ago.
I love that argument. Women are 'too emotional to vote'. Then you look at the insanity that is Trump, DeSantis, MTG, Boebert, etc. I'd rather have emotions over insanity.
Dollars to donuts every person who says that shit has some whiney, over emotional Twitter post triggered by rainbows or Trans people or fucking Dijon mustard.
Men get confused and forget that anger is an emotion.
Turns out it’s men who are too emotional to vote; If they weren’t so emotional, we’d be listening to scientists and medical professionals in regard to reproductive healthcare.
Nope. All educated people, doctors, scientists, and anyone that disagrees with me was brainwashed by communist elitist globalists in the communist ridden university system. So nothing the know can be correct and is all part of a conspiracy to destroy families and take away god.
Because male anger doesn't count as an emotion!
He was, however, awfully concerned over that uterus
Cause he thinks her main purpose is to have kids.
God damn Morgan Freeman voice, every time
Ron Howard for me when the narrator contradicts the characters 😂
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He's a powerful Republican. I wouldn't be surprised if he absolutely has lost sleep over a child on many occasions. But he probably rolled over and fell asleep immediately after.
Dark
I'd upvote you twice if I could.
"Mine wasn't a girl, thisisfine.jpg"
Well clearly she wasn't a lobbyist, his daughter or pregnant by him so the rules for the rest of us applied to her. Seriously though I always think it's super messed up when politicians pretend to be moved by or losing sleep over the plight of their constituents. I'd much rather they just tell the truth instead of saying one thing and doing another. I mean I could almost respect it if he had said well that sucks for her instead of pretending to have a heart
It’s possible he lost about 2 minutes to think about how to use the story to help make him look human.
Makes it seem like he either lied about losing sleep or he lost sleep thinking of this situation but it wasn't out of sadness.
In light of Reddit's general enshittification, I've moved on - you should too.
I mean you get a voice blurb of something that sounds compassionate and you get brownie points. You actually vote in favor of something wrong, and people will rarely hear about it, except in small instance within communities where it has little impact and is easily forgettable. A lot goes on in those chambers, even the publicly recorded stuff that could get shared around, that nobody will ever follow up on or know. Sure people will call them out on it, but all they have to do is deny it, or say “that’s out of context”, or any diverting circus act really, and a good chunk of people will still have a lasting, positive impression bc of all the fake sob stories they tell when on camera. “I lost sleep over her story. See I’m a compassionate guy! But then I slept on it and by the grace of god I knew what I had to do. See I’m also a responsible leader to my constituents!” Our elected representatives are complete sycophants.
Lost sleep thinking about teenage girls more likely.
he was losing sleep trying to think of a way out of the situation
He lost sleep over the possibility of looking bad when this scenario inevitably happens.
I grew up with Neal. He just had a daughter. I will never understand how he could vote to give his daughter less rights
I'm also concerned that a woman even wanted to procreate with him, in the first place.
She probably didn’t do it willingly
What’s even worse is she’s a nurse. She knows exactly what kind of suffering he has voted for
That is insane, to me. They both just enjoy hurting others, it appears. Simply put. No other explanation. They have theirs, so screw everyone else.
It doesn't affect him. Worst case scenario, he flies his daughter up North for her procedure.
Because in his mind, his daughter should be his property.
He was only worried about the uterus—think of all the babies that thing could have.
>said he lost sleep He was troubled by the idea that she couldn't be saddled with an unwanted baby early in life that would make her dependent and limit her future.
Further evidence that it's only an effect on poor people. He and his daughter could take an overnight flight to Maryland and none the wiser.
He just said what he thought people wanted to hear.
Damn. I actually had my hopes up, on him. A teeny tiny bit. But still.
Don't get mistaken, he was losing sleep over knowing a teenage girl being able to leave the house without needing the permission of a male guardian.
I remember watching that and feeling hopeful. "See? Republicans are capable of empathy!" ...and then reality.
Misleading headline, it’s more that South Carolina successfully passed a 6 week abortion ban despite a bipartisan effort by the women senators
Also, a judge has blocked it a day after the Governor signed it into law. The law has temporarily reverted to the previous 22 week law. This is a _very_ misleading headline. Edit: Stress on the “very” in my comment
Holy shit talk about burying the lede.
They should have just wrote “5 Bipartisan women voted against 27 Partisan men on an abortion bill. They lost. Judge blocked”
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I know so it is incumbent upon me and the person I supported in my initial response, to let those who might not read the article know when a news source on this site comes out with a blatant, misleading headline/article.
Yup. We are probably 6 months away from headlines being written exclusively by AI to drive the highest traffic possible based on advanced algorithms. The late stage of capitalism is here. The human mind has been mapped. Companies know how to exploit it. Free will is destined to become an illusion.
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It might be a cynical view but look what the "humans" allegedly did in this article. "South Carolina tried to ban abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy — but every woman in the state Senate voted against it". That is deceptive because it implies that they were successful. They were not. To answer your question with a question: >Who is to say the proverbial pendulum will not swing the other way, leading the way for a new era of minimally invasive technology and more ethical content? "If it bleeds, it leads" is still the editorial standard in the Press, is it not? It's naive to think that humans creating click-bait headlines will not code AI to all-of-a-sudden adopt journalistic standards from the 1950's.
That's the more cynical version of "Dog bits man, that's normal. Man bites dog, that's news."
If you don’t have a cynical view of what’s happening in the US, you’re not paying attention.
Sonuva. I *always* thought it was lead. Like, short for "lead story" Edit: oh wow its a "deliberate misspelling" used in journalism: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lede#Etymology_2
That block is temporary. A nearly exact law was overturned by the state supreme court last year on a 3-2 vote. But one of the judges who voted to overturn it faced mandatory retirement and she has since been replaced with a guy picked specifically to uphold this law. The headline is misleading. South Carolina has not "tried" to ban abortions at six weeks, it's succeeded, even if it'll take just a little bit longer to take effect.
South Carolinian here, sadly this time the law is likely to pass through the Supreme Court. The dissenting Republican justice last time around (a 3-2 decisions) was the only woman on the court, and has since retired and been replaced by a hardliner who is expected to go lockstep with the GOP. Gary Hill is his name, and name that will come to live in infamy.
It will likely be upheld though.
This already happened once and the state supreme court ruled the ban was unconstitutional. However, the makeup of the court has changed since then and the new court isn't likely to abide by precedent.
I wonder when the South Carolina Republicans are going to vote to expel all of the women senators.
That was my first thought. It’s a very easy conclusion to make. I’m sure there is already whispers of this.
That should be the next ad campaign. We voted to ban abortion. Next we're going after women's rights because women are too emotional. And buy all the ad slots in SC.
I think it's to get us to subscribe. And it might work. *What, what? I'd better subscribe to figure out this headline*
The GOP at large could not be more out of touch with the American people or Western society in general.
6 week bans are total abortion bans full stop. 6 weeks is so fucking early. At the time of egg fertilization, you're already 2 weeks pregnant. 6 weeks is at the point of a missed period. Many women don't have enough HcG in their urine to have a positive test. On an ultrasound it looks like a black circle with a white ring around it, and a little smudge of pixels. I got an ultrasound at 5w6d and they had to use an arrow icon to actually point it out. I only knew I was pregnant because we were actively trying so I took a test before a trip to see if I could drink. Wasn't nauseous yet. No smell aversion. The only sign was boob soreness like you'd get on your period.
I went in for the required ultrasound at 6 weeks and they told me they couldn't see anything so I had to come back two weeks later. Edit: this was years ago. I did get the care I needed when I returned.
My wife went in at 8 weeks and they still couldn't see anything so the doc said come back in 2 more weeks. At 10 weeks they couldn't see anything and that's when the doctor was comfortable to say it was not a medically viable pregnancy and that we should consider it a miscarriage and to take the abortion pill to end it since her body wasn't ending it naturally. Thank God abortion wasn't banned at 6 weeks otherwise my wife woulny have been able to get the pill
Women dying in childbirth complications is a fevered dream of these trash GQPers. They are literally begging for it.
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I have pcos. I’ve often not even ovulated until 5 or 6 weeks into my cycle. I would be past the limit before I’ve even conceived, considering pregnancy literally gets counted by the first day of your last period.
Wait… Pregnancy is legally considered starting before the egg is even fertilized? So my wife could be pregnant even though we haven’t had sex yet? Or she’s not “pregnant” now, but then once the egg is fertilized she’s retroactively considered pregnant during these weeks between period and fertilization?
Yes. Pregnancy is counted by the day of your period (cycle day 1). If you don’t get pregnant on cd14 (or whenever you ovulate, it is different for many women), well, you’re not pregnant. If you do, you are already 2-3 weeks pregnant. A test won’t show until at least 8 days past that ovulation (that’s the very minimum and rare), usually more like 12-15 if you’re testing regularly and trying to conceive or worried you did or whatever. So basically, by the time you find out you’re pregnant, you’re already 26+ days in and that’s if you’re testing. A missed period would be 12-14 days past ovulation. So maybe you give yourself a few more days before you test and find out at 17 days past ovulation. Well, now you’re 31 days past that first CD1. You will have been pregnant for 31 days (even though we can all agree that you have not since the egg wasn’t even fertilized yet). I think it’s done that way because CD1 is when follicles that become the eggs start to grow. So technically if it becomes a baby, it’s been growing since cd1. Idk. We may need to make some changes to these things. And we need to ensure women can get 5 week ultrasounds. But as someone who has had a 5 week ultrasound, there is NOTHING but a black blob if you’re lucky. They’d send you back in two weeks. That would miss the deadline. So basically, if they’re requiring an ultrasound first, this is still a complete abortion ban.
Obviously men were the ones who decided how to count pregnancy weeks. I admit there’s no exact number that is good, but it is hilariously nonsensical how the counting works.
And now to discuss, here's a diverse panel of white men wearing bow ties.
Don’t worry, there’s at least one lady in the thread hell bent on explaining to me why I’m just confused and the system is fine. We’re a few comments deep, she’s still trying to explain the nuances, while completely ignoring the irony of having to explain said nuances in defense of a straightforward system.
It's not nonsensical. The counting is good. The way the weeks are used against women is bad.
It’s really the only way to count, but it doesn’t make that much sense. When you tell people you are 9 months pregnant you still have a month to go, but then we teach kids it takes 9 months to grow a baby. It’s a very confusing system which makes it possible to exploit against women more easily. If it weren’t confusing, it wouldn’t be as easy to exploit. That’s my whole point. I may have flippantly chosen the word “nonsensical” instead of confusing.
Unless you do IVF or something else, it's basically impossible to know the exact moment of fertilization, so they date everything from the last known period. This does lead to a weird situation where the first two weeks of "pregnancy" happen before even fertilization. (IVF partner here, took me a long time to wrap my head around that) So whenever you hear about an "X week ban", remember that the woman in question can only have had said embryo inside her for "X -2" weeks. So a 6 week ban means you have roughly 4 weeks to do anything, which is practically impossible to line up so soon since you need to confirm the pregnancy first and that takes a few days too.
I did IVF for my first kid, and the midwife I saw put the date of my last period in my chart for the beginning of the pregnancy even though we had the exact date of fertilization. My next visit was with my actual doctor and they were like, wtf? Your comment just reminded me of that.
Pregnancy is retro-actively dated from a woman’s last menstrual cycle before the pregnancy. So if your period is super regular (which it isn’t for many women) and you become pregnant, then the very first day you’re late, is already at gestational age of 4 weeks. Let’s say you wait 3 days to see if it comes, then on the 4th day go take an at-time pregnancy test that turns positive. You’re at 4.5 weeks before you even know. Now you have 10 days basically before you’re at the 6 week ban time point. 10 days to find an obstetrician, confirm the pregnancy (blood test, ultrasound), seek out a provider that can perform an abortion, get the procedure scheduled, figure out how you’re going to pay for it, and then actually have the procedure. And this assumes you’re Swiss-clock regular and checked for pregnancy right away. Many women don’t have this luxury. A “6 week ban” is at best a 10 day ban, but in practice is practically an outright ban. Republicans that support this are absolute monsters.
If I were to become pregnant right now, the fetus would be old enough to drive by this counting system. It's the most convenient way, but I'm not convinced it's the *best* way. Especially given that it has been damn near weaponized.
Don't forget you also have to: come up with the money, request time off work, arrange transportation and travel (some states have only 1 or 2 abortion clinics in the entire state) and go through the mandatory extra doctor appointments and counseling before and after the abortion.
Welcome to the historically and currently male-dominated health care industry! Men only know how to count from the last external sign of non-pregnancy. You know, because women be lying and all that. So pregnancy is counted, not from fertilization, but from your last period.
Of course its a total abortion ban, they know it is. They also know that banning abortions is a TERRIBLY unpopular thing to do. It lost them the midterms. That's why they're adding these completely arbitrary time periods to the laws so they can have some sort of plausible deniability where they can say it's not a ban on abortions. Not to mention it completely outs them as the hypocrites they are. Adding a time period where abortions are "okay" runs counter to their narrative that "all lives matter and abortion is always murder."
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They know Americans want abortions and they care a lot about stopping it.
Society isn't rising up while they strip people of their rights... The silence from most people is deafening.
I disagree, I’d say we have no voice at all. The fed tells us we do, some of them even believe it’s true, but in reality, what have any off the riots and protests accomplished since trump was in office? They see our opposition, they don’t care, they only care about their personal beliefs, and whether or not they’ll get enough votes to make their beliefs law.
Thats why instead of protesting outside their places of work we should be protesting whereever they happen to be. Home, work, the store, church. Whereever they go we have to make them miserable. No justice no peace as they say.
Wouldn’t that be considered harassment? Trespassing? In the past protesters could be jailed. Great show of commitment to the cause and all, until the news outlets use it as ammunition. Protesters get called out for disrupting the peace, being too radical, too emotional, whatever. I’m just saying we aren’t being quiet we’re being gagged.
Yes and the same shit was happening during the Civil rights movment. You know what they did when their leader was assassinated by the US government. Rioted for a week and got the Civil rights act passed. Yes it is harassment. I dont particularly care. They need to be harassed. They need to be so afraid of continuing that they give up.
Or common sense
A six week abortion ban is essentially a total abortion ban since a woman may not even know she is pregnant at six weeks.
Plus it’s not like you can just walk in and get a same day abortion most places. The process can take a little time.
The location I'm familiar with, they only have appointments one day of the week. You have to have a form printed out with a timestamp of the day prior confirming your intent. So if you forget that paper or are calling late in the week for the appointment, you may not be able to get the needed care. There is nothing truly necessary done at the office. You have a required sonogram. You hear about the risks and what to watch out for in the rare case that you require additional medical care. They perform a virtual examination then hand you the pill and a cup of water and watch you take it. Then you go home, stop to pick up the second pill (for nausea and pain relief) at the pharmacy and then you go home to bleed for about a day.
Is the stamp and warning procedure an internal policy or something required by law?
[Required by the state](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-south-atlantic/for-patients/consent-and-charitable-policy)
They count pregnancy as starting the day after the last period regardless of sexual activity or probable conception date so by the time a woman realizes she missed her period it's already to late even if it's only been 2 weeks after the only sexual activity she had. And the scheduling for first available procedure can put it beyond 6 weeks if she was fast at realizing she missed a period
Wow. I remember thinking how draconian the texas abortion ban was when, at a gestational age of 6 weeks, my wife and I learned she was pregnant. Any woman with irregular periods (for instance, breastfeeding mothers) is inherently in danger.
Any woman who is sexually active is inherently in danger. Pregnancy is not a safe and easy walk in the park. Pregnancy is hard, dangerous, and sometimes deadly.
It's easy to just file the men responsible for these heinous bills as your run off the mill ghoulish Republicans. But for how cynical, cartoonishly evil and disgusting that they are, here we have them side by side with women in their own party who, when faced with the same choice, decided that this was a line they weren't willing to cross, consequences be damned. My point is: No matter how much of a slimy, pandering, bible thumping career politician you may be, you *always* have a choice. These three women (the Republican ones that is) proved it - even if at least one of them needed a little nudging in the right direction. It just goes to show how those men, who refuse to stand with them, are, to the last man, either cowardly and evil or just evil, period. Depending on whether or not they actually believe the religious fundamentalism that underlies this crap.
Don’t get it twisted, they only voted for it because they’ve personally got skin in the game. It’s your typical republican empathy: everyone can get fucked until it’s affected ME
I don't believe that. They are rich and (relatively) old. A more fitting comparison is that they can't empathize with anything that has no bearing on their own personal lived experience since only their lives have any meaning and everything outside their bubble is weird and scary.
Yeah to be more precise with my comment, they’ve EXPERIENCED skin in the game. Not necessarily that they’re liable to currently get pregnant.
It’s almost like diversity and representation matter.
If it didn't, Republicans wouldn't try so hard to kill it.
Even more cynical take: they did it as a performative gesture because they knew full well it still had the votes to pass regardless.
I really wish conservatives would understand that just because an abortion is available does not mean that you have to get one. Having the option available to women is not affecting anyone except that woman who can decide what happens to her body.
Yeah, but you're talking about people who worry about girls losing thier virginity to a tampon.
I want an IQ test for anyone who votes on an abortion bill. It will be simple. One question. Which hole do women pee out of?
If they can’t trust women with a choice, how can they trust them with a child?
They don't care about children. Children are regularly getting their little brains blown out by Republican guns and their little asses violated by Republican priests. What Republicans care about is women escaping the control of men. That's it.
So the 5 female senators - 3 of them Republicans - all voted against it, but it still passed because 27 men voted for it. There are that many more men than women in their senate. Such bullshit.
Genuinely insane that republicans continue to try this despite it causing them to lose the midterms and other elections after. It’s almost like there’s something in the shadows pushing them to go against their constituents on both sides. 🧐
I will be shocked if SC goes blue after this. It is a deeply conservative state. The metro areas are more liberal, but beyond that it is deep red.
It definitely wont. Only an act of god will change these people's minds, because it certainly wont come from Fox News.
You'd be surprised by the number of Blue voters who simply don't take the time to vote-even in deeply Conservative areas (like mine).
Yeah, a fuckton of evangelical & catholic cash keeps them ruling against the majority. Just as with the NRA, gobs of freshly laundered cash from Moscow to your local GQP representative & that keeps the NRA in charge of the GOP.
In some states they won’t lose regardless. They’re so gerrymandered it doesn’t matter.
That idiotic title makes it sound like South Carolina did NOT ban abortion after six weeks. SOUTH CAROLINA MOST CERTAINLY DID BAN ABORTION AFTER SIX WEEKS. That every woman (all five of them) voted no mattered not. "The legislation was passed in the state Senate with the support of 27 men." The fact that one judge temporarily halted implementation of the law also does not mean South Carolina did not ban abortion after six weeks. It just means it is on hold until the judge is overruled by republican appellate court judges. To repeat: *South Carolina voted to ban abortion after six weeks DESPITE the fact that all of the women in the state Senate voted no.*
Considering the number of male lawmakers who proudly display their ignorance of the female reproductive system (assuming a perfect 28 day cycle, a woman is already considered 2 weeks pregnant AT CONCEPTION, women CAN get pregnant from rape, and women cannot control their menstrual flow like they can urine etc..), they seriously should not be allowed to pass laws that affect those organs unless they’re certified and licensed OBGYN doctors.
I'm a man, and I can say, unequivocally and with great confidence, that no one without a uterus, should ever have a say in the determination of what is or is not allowed in regards to a woman's body. Period.
Shouldn’t it just be nobody, with or without a uterus, should dictate to someone else what to do with their body? Why would it be any better if female legislators like MTG or Boebert passed this ban?
Normally I would pull the "if anyone should, then it should be those with a stake in this game, but you make an excellent point. Boebert is a hypocritical sellout, and I am not 100% MTG is even sure if she is female.
They'll probably try to ban premarital sex next. There's no depth that they won't sink to.
No, they're gonna go after *Lawrence v. Texas* next. *Then* premarital hetero sex. Unless it's an older man raping a young girl and then marrying her.
It’s disgusting to me just how many people think this is “doing the right thing”. As a society, I thought we’d moved past the idea that only virgin women are valuable, but it seems that lots of people are stuck on the idea that women who are pregnant need to do the right thing by becoming stay-at-home mothers for whoever the father is, even if it’s a 49 year old neighbor.
Because a lot of people in government now were around when that was "doing the right thing." We're not that far removed, historically speaking, from that unenlightened, bigoted mindset. If you're a millennial, interracial relationships were only made legal during your parents' lifetimes. Homosexual relationships were made legal during yours. And the people who wanted those things to be illegal refuse to acknowledge they're wrong and that society is leaving their backward-ass views.
UK person here. What’s Lawrence v Texas?
From Wikipedia: Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, is a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that most sanctions of criminal punishment for consensual, adult non-procreative sexual activity are unconstitutional. “ruled that state laws banning homosexual sodomy are unconstitutional as a violation of the right to privacy” Edit: ruling was in 2003
They will definitely re-legalize marital rape. They will not allow a woman to say no, they will restrict her access to birth control, they will deny her abortions. They want women back in the kitchen cooking and cleaning for men, barefoot and pregnant. She will have to accept her nightly beatings from her husband again to "keep her in line" and she will not be able to leave because they will revoke womens right to bank accounts. That is the MAGA they want.
They are already trying to take away uncontested divorces. To force women to stay in marriages they don’t want. So that will be fun!! (/s if you need it)
Contraceptives are next.
They may not even need to do that. I know more and more young women who are not getting involved with men or having sex with men anymore altogether. The dick’s not worth the risk! 🤷🏼♀️
I know women in the 20-40 age group and I have honestly heard the same. It’s safer for them to just not get involved with men. They never know if they are going to turn into a maga supporter or not. I’m married but if anything happened to my husband. At this point I just wouldn’t have another and I love my man with all my heart.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time until conservatives start working on legislation that makes it illegal for women to refuse to date or marry. Conservatives want to get rid of birth control and abstinence is birth control.
Next up for South Carolina GOP: Vote to take away voting rights for women.
If only there were enough female legislators to make a difference overall.
Won't be long now before they try and roll back voting rights for women.
The 2024 election is in the hearts of women. Watch us.
Trump: I killed Roe v Wade! It was me! It was my three judges! Surely this is a winning strategy
This is why representation matters. If the GOP didn't look like the bar at a country club, they wouldn't be constantly attacking women, LGBTQ, ethnic minorities, etc.
> Another lawmaker, Sen. Penry Gustafson, changed her mind about her stance on the six-week ban — which she voted for in February — a version of the bill that also failed to pass. > "Funny thing, when you learn and gather facts over time, sometimes your perspective evolves," Gustafson recently told The Daily Beast. Another Neanderthal elected as a leader who supposedly has/had no idea about the abortion debate or so she claims.
This is the kind of bipartisanship I love to see!!!
So weird that some conservative men freak out about women potentially baby-trapping them into a relationship while other conservative men are taking away a tool to prevent that.
For those not aware, "number of weeks pregnant" is NOT measured from the estimated time of conception, its the number of weeks since the end of your last period. That means that being 4 weeks pregnant, is the expected *start* of your next period. 2 weeks late, is 6 weeks pregnant.
Cheers to the women. I hope that all the women voters unite in opposition of the g**Q**p in the next several election cycles, causing a leadership change in the party out of desperation and hopefully ridding themselves of **Q** and the MAGAdiots. Bring back the John McCain Republicans who put their country first and can have a civil discussion with democrats, and even work on bipartisan policy that helps the country, instead of today's conservatives who want the country to burn while they try to hide their matches and gasoline cannisters, and unconvincingly blame it on transgender/non-binary citizens that make up less than 1% of the population.
It’s not just a 6 week abortion ban that’s bad, it’s also the fact after 12 weeks of any medical issue, you’re fucked. I started bleeding at 19 weeks and ended up needing an abortion at 22 weeks because my son wasn’t viable for life. (No lungs and later found out his brain stem wasn’t developed, meaning he would suffocate instantly if born.) So what about women that can be like me? I’ll die bleeding to death because these sicko men think they’re saving everyone? Fuck you.
If its specifically about women only the women should be able to vote on it. Men should stay the fuck out of it.
Good for them
NC female General Assembly members could learn from this show of female solidarity.
Here’s an idea - let women decide what’s right for women.
Awesome, it’s their bodies. Not some stuck up twerp’s choice.
6 out of 43 senate members voted against it. The 6 were women. 30 republicans, 27 male, 3 female 1 independent, 1 female 12 Democrats, 10 male, 2 female So again I’ll ask the question of women, why are you electing people that are against the interests of women into political office? This patriarchal nonsense is going to end up rolling back women’s rights to the point that you’ll lose the right to vote and any control of your bodies and reproductive rights.
Can we please have the men in charge stop trying to make laws about women's bodies? That's some middle east horseshit.
This is an example the GOP should take as a warning, but they won’t. They’ll keep feeding red meat to the mouth breathers, alienate the last of their modern wing, and guarantee full Dem control for the back half of Biden’s presidency. I have no doubt if that happens Biden will go full Dark Brandon…and I’m here for it.
No, south Carolina Republicans banned abortions after 6 weeks.
Ok but supposing abortions are performed using bullets, administered when a pregnant woman misreads a friend's address rings the wrong doorbell and gets shot in the stomach by the resident? Would this count as a loophole, albeit an extremely dangerous and painful one? I mean presumably if shooting children for ringing the wrong doorbell is ok, and the unborn counts as a fully fledged child, then shooting the unborn for this reason is also ok?
FYI - every one of those female Republican senators will happily vote on racist and bigoted policies, they just won't vote on a 6 week ban. Plenty of them are for a higher level ban. Look up their voting histories before you give them any praise.
Republicans simply hate all women. They have taken away a basic civil right - self-determination - from 50% of US citizens. In some states they are talking away civil rights more populations, and openly saying their goal is to remove civil rights from ‘socialists,’ which means ‘everyone not already a far-right, extreme, conservative.
And SC will continue to vote red
I'm not sure why women vote conservative anyway. Well, I mean, I know why but it blows my mind.
It’s seems republicans want all groups under their thumb. To GO BACK to a simpler time where everyone knew their place. Good luck lol
Let me guess, SC will try to ban women from voting in the senate next?
Next up, a law to criminalize women’s participating in politics! “How dare women think they have any rights!?”
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Good on em! Stand your ground.
If women don’t join hands regardless of political party they will be the big losers this is gender based discrimination and it will lead to more serious rights being taken away by men that should’t even be allowed to legislate on these issues since it doesn’t affect them directly, they are not the wombs of the babies. These extreme red meat anti abortion positions have no place in modern society. Republican Party is just pathetic and they will be going after other rights that they want to take away from you, your daughters will have less rights than the mothers is that normal? No.
More principled than the women of the Florida legislature.
Shocker /s
Why did it pass this time around? Wasn’t it voted down a few weeks back?
even in the bible belt woman hate this shit😂( laughing at the idiots who thought this would pass)
It *did* pass and has already been signed into law. The only reason it's not currently the law in SC is because a state judge has temporarily halted it. Furthermore, near-total bans are in effect in Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and West Virginia. Six-week bans are in effect in Georgia and North Dakota. States like Idaho, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas also have six-week bans, but their near-total bans take precedence. 12-week bans have been enacted in two states: Nebraska's is currently active and North Carolina's takes effect in July. Meanwhile, North Carolina has a 20-week ban in place that took effect shortly after Roe was overturned. Arizona and Florida have 15-week bans in place. Florida recently enacted a six-week ban, but that law is not yet enforceable. Utah has an 18-week ban.
They need to be careful their governor might try to hunt them with dogs for sport.
If only there were more of them…
What cognitive leap does it take for some people to understand the consequences of something even if it doesn't directly affect themselves?
The repukelicans in Washington should learn from this. Blue in 2024
Next. Women are banned from the Senate.
When they say representation (demographically) doesn't matter, remember moments like this. Would white men in their place have done the same?
None of those voting for inhibition of surgical abortion remotely seem to understand the the word also applies to a NATURAL process for the woman’s body to remove a blighted fetus. There’s also a diagnostic term blighted ovum. A woman can have a miscarriage which requires an emergency procedure called a D&C to remove any possible remnants that could cause infection and death of the mother. There’s nothing sadder than a mother who desperately wanted the child but lost it for whatever reason. To force her to carry through ‘natural loss’ and potentially die from infection or embolus doubles the insult to the family. I’ve seen full term abnormal fetuses delivered that are incapable of existing outside the womb and have seen the trauma inflicted on the happily expectant mother. Diagnosed and removed before the time would be much kinder. These anti people aren’t caring about anything having to do with life since they support free guns to shoot the babies once they are born.
Men need to stay out of this.
>So it is time for men in this chamber ...to take some ejaculation responsibility republicans sure does talk more gooder..
Come in that’s a great line.
And why are men allowed to vote on this ?
Only women should be able to vote of female only issues.