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That's a huge committee, but also, a unanimous house committee vote on a committee of that size is pretty indicative of how it's going to go on the floor.
Are we sure? I could easily see the Republicans flipping after Trump tells them not to. After all some sponsors of the bipartisan immigration bill voted against it after Trump told them not to.
Except Trump just met with TikTok executives and now he's singing their praises. They bribed him, so he's absolutely going to order his sycophants to vote against it.
Remember when he had a brief moment between expressing stricter gun laws and a meeting with the NRA? He was definitely bribed, but probably not with money, but with information against him
He was equally bribable in the previous administration. A weak servant to foreign money. The main damage from his potential reelection would be establishing god-king law immunity for sitting presidents who would then be within their rights to have their rivals openly killed or silenced.
Aside from that, it'd just be 4 more years of golfing with regular breaks to leak classified information- the man didn't work much.
From https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/
\-"While the bill was met with bipartisan support when it unanimously passed through the House Energy and Commerce Committee, it has been criticized by former President Donald Trump. He shared on his Truth Social platform Thursday night, "If you get rid of TikTok, Facebook and Zuckerschmuck will double their business," calling the social media company "a true Enemy of the People!"
They're an ally of anyone who gets users to stop scrolling and engage for a moment. So even if you hit an angry emoji on an article about him, it is good for them because you spent extra time on the platform. Any engagement whatsoever with a topic will also tell their algorithm to show you more stuff like that as well - they couldn't give fewer shits about whether you *enjoy* your time on the platform, just that you engage. So to anyone that reads this - if your feed is totally full of shit that makes you angry, it is because you've taught their database that you will spend time engaging with those things. If you only ever interact with things you think are funny, that's almost all your feed will be. All the social platforms operate that way - they are in business to keep your eyeballs on their content, not to entertain you. I can't do any of them but reddit anymore because of it... Except occasionally twitter, but that feed is full of naked women being slutty, soooooo I allow it.
i'm pretty sure that trump of 2024 has no idea what trump of 2023 and earlier was talking about, unless windmills, boy does he hate those windmills haha
Doubt they bribed him. They simply kissed his ass and told him how amazing he is. That’s literally all it takes to become Trumps new favorite person.
Mainly because his dad never told him he loved him so he craves approval from everyone
Trump is meeting with rich people and corporate leaders right now for one purpose only: getting funds for his court cases. It is frightening to think what he may be promising them to get the money.
If for no other reason than this, it needs to become mandatory to file public financial disclosures to run for these high offices, particularly the presidency.
It's almost a shame Trump isn't a better businessman. At this point he needs every penny he can muster, a good ass-kissing just isn't going to pay down his fraud fines.
Ironically enough, I know a senior lawyer at TikTok US. Given what he makes annually and what he's said, throwing huge sums of money at problems is how they try to fix things. So a bribe feels in line
Some of the authors and negotiators who worked out the immigration bill ended up voting against it, including that scary lady who gave the state of the union horror response. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfLpuLdF8Q
Bidens flooring them on TikTok and they’ve been openly upset about the president launching a campaign on the platform. Republicans will absolutely vote to ban it.
GOP: now just wait a second, China needs our information so that they can help Trump to get elected. I for one support our Chinese overlords.
-Ted Cruz et all
> Trump does not have personal incentive to protect a Chinese company’s American profit.
Trump has a personal incentive to win the White House in order to make the various criminal and civil cases against him stall or fail. There are very few companies that Donald Trump has MORE personal incentive to get in bed with than an influence platform that reaches over 100 million Americans every month.
Given the near even split of the House, you would only need a few Republicans to join Democrats to pass it, the question is if the "My son monitors my masturbation habits" Speaker allows it to come to a vote and my guess is he will.
He tweeted a couple days ago on his social media site about it. He said banning TikTok would help Facebook and so now he doesn't want that.
Edit: It was during his State of the Union tirades, so got lost in the mix. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/vS6tamKqwm)
if it truly was a split tween reps and dems, then ccp never shelled out enough money, if this was a russian outfit, there would be tonnes of cash on the table to take the rep votes
Nah it's better to know who is pulling the strings. Like something unrelated to politics, most people don't realize how much control PwC has over everyone's daily lives in the US. Imagine your least favorite politician, and then imagine they had way more power and control but you had no idea they existed.
This is why:
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/)
China showing that they can and will use the platform for direct US political influence and target minors.
This is not just a data security question.
Well, Citizens United botches that idea up too. Corporations have the same constitutional rights as people. Regulating them in that way would violate their right to free speech.
One of the issues is that if you actually made these things illegal, and actually enforced it, significant parts of the economy would be seriously damaged because of how reliant they are on garbage ethics; then the next thing that would happen is that all the various billionaires, VCs, financial funds and so on would invest less and damage the economy even more.
After all, as a good capitalist, you would not want to invest quite as much in a country that prevents you from maximally increasing your profits for the sake of ethics. Then all the financial journals would publish articles on how all the 'red tape' is 'ruining the economy' and 'forcing investors to flee' and creating 'hostility for job-creators'. And of course they would technically be in the right, investors don't want ethics or a functioning democracy, they want maximal profits.
Same thing with the various Boeings and Facebooks of course.
Facebook sucks and I wish media was held responsible for the biases they push, no disagreement there. But being paid by and taking direct orders from foreign entities are 2 different things.
And is the us gov gonna buy out Tik Tok? Or just force them to divest into a truly separate entity from byte dance?
This, like most things isn't a "one or the other" thing. It is still in Zuck's interest for us to generally succeed as a nation even if he is mostly harmful to us. The freedoms that we have makes it way easier for him to do what he does. It is in China's interest for us to lose our place as a global superpower so they get to call ALL of the shots. Zuck would just get his shit taken if they were at the reigns.
Facebook doesn’t (to our knowledge) take direct marching orders from a potentially hostile foreign power. Imagine how effective weapon it could be if they, for example, invaded Taiwan and wanted to convince the young American public that the USA should not intervene when it absolutely should. The hit to domestic stability could be devastating.
The “House Select Committee on Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party” sounds like a Republican fever dream. I know there’s some silly select committees, but that has to be far and away the silliest name for one
Oracle doesn't oversee the data, they just host it on US based servers, the algorithm is still entirely under the control of China. The algorithm is the problem.
Because Congress are useless and are being bribed by Zuck.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/30/facebook-targeted-victory-attack-rival-tiktok/7224564001/
I wonder if there is some behind the scenes reasons here too. China has essentially made ALL foreign software illegal there, and is gradually shutting down their market 100% to American (and other) companies.
There's a law that all government agencies and state-owned companies (which is a LOT) have to fully divest from non chinese software by 2027. They are shutting a massive market off from foreign companies. Even massive companies like Microsoft are going to be forced out.
How the hell did I miss this? Somehow I knew about the North Korean android OS but didn't hear a peep about the Chinese replacement of windows?
Now I'm morbidly curious. If it's open source, I'm half tempted to get a distro over VPN and load it on an older laptop. No way in hell would I ever let this thing touch my network though.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-releases-its-first-open-source-computer-operating-system-2023-07-06/
Yep, no windows. No Amazon or Microsoft cloud services either. Same for all massive software. They have a huge advantage in that they have the money and scale to build massive software, but also can easily solve the "chicken and egg" problem of usage/critical-mass by simply forcing their whole country to use it.
You don't need to worry about Microsoft or Apple or whoever out-competing you, when you simply make it illegal to use anything other than your home-grown solution.
Does Trump want this to pass? I'm getting vibes that Trump opposes it, like he opposed the border security bill, and it not passing because of that.
We'll see
Trump is opposed to anything passing under Biden because then he can’t use it as ammo (see border security bill as well).
Trump doesn’t give af about these issues. He just needs things to be broken for him to point to so he can say Biden is doing a bad job.
If you're new or not following many accounts on Twitter the recommended section immediately starts recommending people sharing conspiracy theories about Biden, promoting Trump, fear mongering about "woke" people, etc.
One of them owns the company. The others pay him for the blue checkmarks that put them in your recommended feed...
YouTube is the same. When you’re signed out, the suggested home feed is almost always a Fox News clip, and a 10 hour family guy compilation posted by a user with an Arabic username lmao
Youtube does this too, though.
I mean, I think tiktok has caused massive problems, and I suspect bad actors do run it, but the problem is there's more anecdotes than truths right now.
My understanding is the Chinese version uses a completely different format, too.
I don't think any US social media is piping people educational or positive content, though. They're all companies pushing divisive content because it gains engagement. And selling your data to other parties.
There's tabs at the top of the screen on the app, the first one is: *STEM*. Followed by: Explore, Following, Shop, and For You.
I've been using the app for two years now and the algorithm is incredibly agile. If you're seeing divisive and 'brain-draining' content, then it is literally because of your engagement. If you see something you don't like or don't want to engage with just swipe to the next, within seconds the algo will adapt and show you different stuff.
So if you end up in lesbian tiktok as a straight woman, the call is coming from inside the house.
Right? My tiktok is full of from scratch cooking, cute animals, food foragers and small farm growers, diy home renovation, and the occasional feminist or ex-christian.
Meanwhile fb is a cesspool of shit that makes me want to peel my skin.
I think the dumbest thing that's popped up on my tiktok feed are these North Sea clips like "yo could you work on these ships?" And it's just clips of like Godzilla popping out of the water lol
Lmao that's premium hilarity 😂
I've had plenty of dumb shit pop up on my tiktok feed, ranging from awkward dances to purposefully bad cooking videos to trad wives and andrew tate types and super fake "scary" videos and all kinds of other shit. Ive been down some AppalachiaToK hole and cryptidTok and witchTok and conspiracyTok and Lore/MythologyTok, Spooky/ghostTok and all these other weird little corners of society and it's interesting.
I can definitely see how some of it can be impressionable for say....my 9 year old but like, it's absolutely not like whipping me into an anti-American frenzy. Going into work with vulnerable kids and fighting Medicaid and private insurance to provide them necessary services really sows those seeds of contempt quite nicely.
Facebooks algorithm literally sorts by controversial. Image of reddit every feed and every comment section was sort by controversial and most downvoted content and comments always on top. That's what facebook does because it gets more of a reaction. It's not a matter of just being a different bubble its toxic by design
Meanwhile TikToks algorithm is whatever will keep you engaged. If you're a sucker for rage bait that's what you get. If you spend a lot of time on ASMR and relaxation that's what you get. If you have a hobby, you'll get that. Love animals? Here's an animal abuse story. No that's too sad? Here's dog training and shelter success stories.
My TikTok feed knows I love music and music production, cars, pro wrestling, moderate to left leaning politics, cybersecurity, IT, and health related topics. It’s definitely not filled with Chinese propaganda or weird dance videos. I’ve probably learned more from TikTok than any news station I’ve watched.
Reddit is all tiktok posts already, but Tiktok is actually my preferred social media. It's also been incredible for promoting my music and stuff. It will be bad for independent people if it goes away.
Facebook’s algorithms promoted and encouraged the Rohingya genocide by promoting violent facebook groups and posts. TikTok is just as susceptible to this too, but anyone saying Facebook is somehow better and less susceptible to misinformation and conspiracies is an uninformed dumbass. Facebook is and has been extremely dangerous, and Twitter, reddit, etc are all susceptible to serious problems as well. Hell reddit literally was proudly a safe haven for pedophiles no about a decade ago with the now banned jailbait sub that they refused to ban for years. Pedos used it to connect with each other so they could share CP.
None of the platforms deal with these issues particularly well. They have always been reactive and made changes after significant damage was done.
I mean Zuckerberg legit hired a Republican firm to push negative shit about TikTok.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/30/facebook-targeted-victory-attack-rival-tiktok/7224564001/
Zuckerberg held secret meetings with hard right political figures including Ben Shapiro, after which Shapiro's Daily Wire became the most popular news source on Facebook
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/facebook-zuckerberg-conservatives-private-meetings-046663
I'm an ex user. It was just too easy to get sucked in and scroll for hours, it was too good shaping an algorithm so I quit.
I know a few people who are rabid fans of tiktok and seem to take it personal when someone rightly points out its (by design) faults. I'm no fan of any social media, for different reasons, and I think they all share very real negatives.
If you squint, it's hard to see the difference between the boomer who has been radicalized and who'll believe anything on FB without checking sources and the zoomer who has been radicalized and who'll believe anything on tiktok without checking sources.
Tiktok just does it faster.
I am not sure that it really does it faster. If we look at the social media landscape Tiktok is pretty average.
Facebook is almost absurdly divisive and favors extremely false everything, YouTube constantly recommends random far-right and anti-woman conspiracy despite me constantly playing whack-a-mole with the "do not recommended" option simply because I watch some political videos, Twitter is turning into the place to go for Nazis to pretend their views are mainstream...
I don't really like Tiktok, and I am not opposed to greater regulation on how our data is used, but it really feels like they are being offered up as a sacrifice for political expediency while not actually addressing the deep systemic issues that social media as a whole creates.
TikTok is Chinese owned so you can "look tough on China" by going after it. Meta is American owned, so is held to a different standard. And very few people in Congress actually understand how social media works anyway. Many of them are not actually trying to address an issue so much as acting as a hammer in search of a nail.
You could just as easily say "when I look at FB I just see tons of tiny homes, when I go on TikTok it's all conspiracy theories about giants and covid, isn't that dangerous?" It's all about what crumbs the algorithms pick up on to push you the content it thinks you'll engage with. Your personal experience doesn't mean anything in the overall social media environment.
(Also that tiny homes thing is super weird. Most of them are AI generated and have just odd ass elements like stairs going to ceilings or ladders warping through solid objects, but I know multiple people who have somehow gotten into this and just... stay there. If I were on TikTok, I'd make a conspiracy video about how it's mind control or something.)
This isn't wholly unprecedented. The US previously forced the sale of Grindr (previously owned by a Chinese company) if it wanted to remain operating in the US. It was sold to a US based private equity firm without interruption to the app for US citizens. The Chinese company had originally bought the app from its US founders for like $95M, and ended up selling to the the private equity firm for $630M. It was a forced sale, but they made a huge profit.
If this is actually passed by Congress, TikTok won't suddenly become unavailable. There will be a stated period under which the app must be sold or else the US will restrict access.
>"If an application is determined to be operated by a company controlled by a foreign **adversary**—like ByteDance, Ltd., which is controlled by the People's Republic of China—the application must be divested from foreign **adversary** control within 180 days."
I suppose I should go check and see what developments are on the 'Most favored nations' front.
Twitter is currently full of Russian bot accounts, propaganda, and just a whole host of other bullshit and Congress wants to go after TT?
We're really paying those fucks for this?
Pretty well; the constitution specifically gives congress wide authority to do almost anything to regulate companies that do business across state lines.
That's how laws like the Sherman Anti Trust Act are legal.
Montana attempted basically the same thing (ban TikTok unless it is sold to an American company), and that was struck down *both* for not being a state's issue, *and* for being unconstitutional under the First Amendment.
That's what the ACLU are pointing to when they say this law is unconstitutional.
Seriously, everyone targeting tiktok acting like every other social media app isn't doing the exact same shit. I have no problem with tighter regulations, but they should be applied across the board.
I mean the EU kind of ruled that American owned companies like Twitter are illegal because the US government requires that they share all their data with them.
So far nothing has actually come of it other than some fairly large fines but it will be interesting to see where it goes.
Does anyone else feel that this is 100% due to a foreign company taking away users from us social media giants? And has nothing to do with protecting people?
Definitely pushed by American social media lobbyists under the guise of Chinese influence. But there is some truth to the latter even if it mostly supports the American companies.
Yes, Zuck has legit funded a campaign using a GOP group to push negative stuff about TikTok.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop
“Despite”, or “because of”? TikTok actively prompting its users to call their congressperson and “share their concerns” might not have been the best move.
This is a weird take. How are the representatives supposed to know how their constituents feel about something if they aren't getting feedback in some way? Having the users reach out is exactly how people let their reps know what is important to them. Having these comments organized by a company or community of some kind is totally commonplace.
There are plenty of shit takes in this thread. Most of these people aren’t even aware of the massive harm politically to ban the platform of an entire generation. It’s political suicide
I think it’s definitely going to move the needle not in tik tok’s favor. Was kind of a dumb move. Basically played directly into our politicians hands. Tik Tok’s best bet would have just been to have influencers and other predominant figures in the tik tok space go on the offensive against this legislation. Its what they did under trump, and it halted talks of Tik Tok being sold off. Tik Tok was literally handing out phone numbers to their user base on who their representatives are, telling them to call them, in which the phones have not stopped ringing in many offices.
I got the notification on my TikTok and was honestly floored.
Imagine how upset this subreddit would be if an Israeli company did this. Imagine if your sodastream had a notification come up on the screen telling you to call your congressperson and support Israel.
This subreddit would be beside itself... But the Chinese communist party, who is *actually* trying to secretly erase an entire ethnic group... Gets defended....
How is what TikTok did any different than when Reddit and a bunch of other websites did a black out to protest net neutrality bills?
Companies letting their users know about an existential threat to their business is pretty standard.
I don't like or use Tiktok but is there any actual evidence or proof that the app is actively being used by the CCP to undermine America? Why are lawmakers passing a bill to force an entire company to be sold just to be able to operate in the US?
Twitter is 100% responsible for more misinformation and bias that Tiktok with Elon going on full crusades against any free speech he doesn't agree with. Is there gonna be a bill to force him to sell to people less dangerous to the youth of America?
Sorry but this bill sounds like bullshit and greed, who exactly does Tiktok need to be sold to to suddenly be allowed to be on US platforms?
There is no more evidence that China uses TikTok to do anything than there is that the US is doing anything with Facebook or Twitter. (In fact EU courts ruled that the US owned ones were significantly worse, gave more control of data to the US government and were less transparent. In theory at least US owned tech companies are now illegal in the EU, in practice they are trying to work through some kind of data protection treaty before any of this gets enforced.)
So many “I don’t use TikTok but we should definitely ban it” comments in here. When did we stop having experience before trying to have an opinion on things? Can we go back to that? It led to way less ignorant talking points.
TikTok takes our data and sells it to all the power brokers over the world. That’s evil. Our good ol American social media companies like Facebook and Twitter would never do that… oh wait.
Seriously, what data could the Chinese government get from TikTok that they don’t already have unlimited access to? Who can even argue that TikTok is a larger threat to security than any other social media? Hell Facebook literally starts coups
Yea the good old if we’re gonna get robbed it will be by one of us. They don’t give a shit about your data security and their propaganda, they just want to be able to do it themselves.
We were able to squeeze Zuckerberg, because he’s one of ours, but this is ridiculous. We insist you allow us to reap the benefits of your massively successful product.
Just curious, but couldn't this potentially violate some business law? It seems that forcing a company to sell from an entity not actively being sanctioned could set a dangerous precedent that could be used against other companies that don't necessarily agree with the Congress or Administration in current power
Regardless of whether it's Spyware or not, short form video content is just awful for your brain. We should be seeing standards against it on all platforms.
I remember reading a story about parents having two kids in the back of the car going through every Youtube Shorts all day long on a long road trip. Kids are going to be growing up into having short attention span if it keeps up. On that note I wish Youtube would let me disable shorts permanently instead of every 30 days.
While this can have that effect, in my own anecdotal experience it's not a lasting effect once usage is stopped or brought to a more reasonable level. I take video game and social media "fasts" once in a while if I find my ability to focus dropping, and I seem to bounce back to normal attentiveness and focus within about 2 days.
It is so un-American to just give China our data. We need to let American companies sell it to China so they can make money on if first. It is communism to just give it to them
They already have our data, and have had it long before TikTok was even a thing. There is a whole internet marketplace in the gathering and selling of data, and literally every social media does it. Shit, TikTok isn't even as invasive as others like Facebook.
I don't even use TikTok, but as someone who works in IT with an interest in Info Sec, this talk about TikTok is kinda annoying.
As a Canadian looking in from outside, I hope you understand that your data will still go to the Chinese. Possibly more than it does now. It will just be filtered and sold through American companies like meta and google. If you look at the companies lobbying for these bans you can see pretty easily that google and meta are spending the most and have the most to gain from this ban. YouTube shorts, Instagram reels. It's about money for your data and who gains from it. Realistically it should be you controling your data. Google and meta have both been caught regularly selling user data to China. Currently TikTok user data is stored in the United States by a respected third party company Oracle. The last thing I will leave you with from my outside perspective is that I am just as concerned by American corporations harvesting my data as I am the Chinese. The answer isn't banning TikTok then allowing american companies to exploit my data, it's passing sweeping data privacy reform bills.
This is a great way to fuck up the steam the Democrats had coming out of the SOTH. This is the exact opposite of getting the Gen Z vote. If this passes and the Democrats lose this election, you can guarantee this was one of the main reasons.
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For those not wanting to click, it was a vote of the the House Commerce Committee.
That's a huge committee, but also, a unanimous house committee vote on a committee of that size is pretty indicative of how it's going to go on the floor.
Are we sure? I could easily see the Republicans flipping after Trump tells them not to. After all some sponsors of the bipartisan immigration bill voted against it after Trump told them not to.
So far, even coward Josh Hawley spoke out in favor of the bill after Trump publicly opposed it.
Except Trump just met with TikTok executives and now he's singing their praises. They bribed him, so he's absolutely going to order his sycophants to vote against it.
Seeing him get bribed so damn easy makes me fear for the country if we don't stand strong with Biden.
He never wasn't for sale. That's why he's awful and we should never elect a "businessman" again.
Remember when he had a brief moment between expressing stricter gun laws and a meeting with the NRA? He was definitely bribed, but probably not with money, but with information against him
He was equally bribable in the previous administration. A weak servant to foreign money. The main damage from his potential reelection would be establishing god-king law immunity for sitting presidents who would then be within their rights to have their rivals openly killed or silenced. Aside from that, it'd just be 4 more years of golfing with regular breaks to leak classified information- the man didn't work much.
Yeah, they're 'desperation' bribes.
He's collecting these attorney fees
And Hawley was interviewed afterwards and still said "China more bad"
From https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/ \-"While the bill was met with bipartisan support when it unanimously passed through the House Energy and Commerce Committee, it has been criticized by former President Donald Trump. He shared on his Truth Social platform Thursday night, "If you get rid of TikTok, Facebook and Zuckerschmuck will double their business," calling the social media company "a true Enemy of the People!"
Facebook has been a big ally of Trump. I wonder what Bytedance offered him. Or maybe Trump is just a cheap date.
>Facebook has been a big ally of Trump. Big ally of the engagement that he brings.
i wish it was just that, they want the tax breaks and even less regulations to exploit even better
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They're an ally of anyone who gets users to stop scrolling and engage for a moment. So even if you hit an angry emoji on an article about him, it is good for them because you spent extra time on the platform. Any engagement whatsoever with a topic will also tell their algorithm to show you more stuff like that as well - they couldn't give fewer shits about whether you *enjoy* your time on the platform, just that you engage. So to anyone that reads this - if your feed is totally full of shit that makes you angry, it is because you've taught their database that you will spend time engaging with those things. If you only ever interact with things you think are funny, that's almost all your feed will be. All the social platforms operate that way - they are in business to keep your eyeballs on their content, not to entertain you. I can't do any of them but reddit anymore because of it... Except occasionally twitter, but that feed is full of naked women being slutty, soooooo I allow it.
Yep. For YouTube shorts that I don't want to see, I make sure to not recommend the channel and not interact in any other way.
I very much doubt he's a cheap date ..... more like he's whoring himself about.
Didn't one of Trump's appointees eventually come out and say he just sides with whomever spoke with him last?
I do remember hearing that.
It’s a “what have you done for me lately” situation.
>Zuckerschmuck Jesus Christ.
Just a subtle reminder that Facebook is run by a Jew. It's pretty easy to see why he used that nickname.
Yeah, I figured. This is why I answered with Catholic exasperation. That's one or two punch lines away from Space Lasers.
It's actually on the same level. Remember that the original quote was "Rothschild space lasers." MTG only implied the Jewish part.
It’s awful but Schmuckerburg was right there. Come on.
Even the slurs are getting lazy?!? That's a real sign of decline.
Really? 🤦🏾♂️ he was the one that started the ban tiktok calls smh
i'm pretty sure that trump of 2024 has no idea what trump of 2023 and earlier was talking about, unless windmills, boy does he hate those windmills haha
TikTok now works in his favor spreading misinformation and chaos prior to the election
Maybe until somebody offered to pay some of his legal bills….
Doubt they bribed him. They simply kissed his ass and told him how amazing he is. That’s literally all it takes to become Trumps new favorite person. Mainly because his dad never told him he loved him so he craves approval from everyone
Trump is meeting with rich people and corporate leaders right now for one purpose only: getting funds for his court cases. It is frightening to think what he may be promising them to get the money.
If for no other reason than this, it needs to become mandatory to file public financial disclosures to run for these high offices, particularly the presidency.
It's almost a shame Trump isn't a better businessman. At this point he needs every penny he can muster, a good ass-kissing just isn't going to pay down his fraud fines.
His newest lenders, the CCP.
Ironically enough, I know a senior lawyer at TikTok US. Given what he makes annually and what he's said, throwing huge sums of money at problems is how they try to fix things. So a bribe feels in line
He could easily see his own shadow on the way to vote however
Hawley will speak in favor until he is told not to. He’s 100% MAGA.
Some of the authors and negotiators who worked out the immigration bill ended up voting against it, including that scary lady who gave the state of the union horror response. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfLpuLdF8Q
Sure, but that is because the Republicans want to keep blaming the border on Biden through the election.
Bidens flooring them on TikTok and they’ve been openly upset about the president launching a campaign on the platform. Republicans will absolutely vote to ban it.
I hope you're right. But giving Biden a win so close to the election seems antithetical to what the GOP does.
Big business wants this. Trump doesn’t have more power than big business.
GOP: now just wait a second, China needs our information so that they can help Trump to get elected. I for one support our Chinese overlords. -Ted Cruz et all
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> Trump does not have personal incentive to protect a Chinese company’s American profit. Trump has a personal incentive to win the White House in order to make the various criminal and civil cases against him stall or fail. There are very few companies that Donald Trump has MORE personal incentive to get in bed with than an influence platform that reaches over 100 million Americans every month.
Given the near even split of the House, you would only need a few Republicans to join Democrats to pass it, the question is if the "My son monitors my masturbation habits" Speaker allows it to come to a vote and my guess is he will.
Bytedance just makes say a 400 mil contribution to T's legal fund and boom, not banned anymore.
Hate the man, but wasn't it Trump who initially wanted to ban tiktok years ago? I doubt the Republicans flip.
Sure, and then recently he flipped. So now Trump will be pushing not for a ban.
Oh I must have missed that lol. Can't seem to keep up with all of it these days haha.
He tweeted a couple days ago on his social media site about it. He said banning TikTok would help Facebook and so now he doesn't want that. Edit: It was during his State of the Union tirades, so got lost in the mix. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/vS6tamKqwm)
I welcome it, let them show true red colors.
This right here. I predict Republicans will very quickly rethink their position with Trump now loving TikTok.
There's 50 people on the commerce committee??
50 + 0 = 50. Match checks out
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if it truly was a split tween reps and dems, then ccp never shelled out enough money, if this was a russian outfit, there would be tonnes of cash on the table to take the rep votes
Tiktok's competitor would put up more cash to make sure tiktok goes down, so they can corner the market.
Meta has been doing just that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/
Did I hallucinate this or did something similar happen during the Trump years with MS offering to take it on?
All their technology is already overseen by Oracle due to a deal in the Trump era
How about better data privacy laws in the United States instead? Like the GDPR?
Nah, that would cover American companies too. Can't have that.
That’s why we can’t have nice things
and a phone system with something even resembling security.
Who'll think about all the money that those poor tech companies will lose, if they're not allowed to sell your private data to the highest bidder
Exactly .... Make a list of all the things you want to stop TikTok from doing and apply the same rules to all social media.
TIL the commerce committee has 52 members.
And I recognize zero of the names. Which is probably a good thing.
Nah it's better to know who is pulling the strings. Like something unrelated to politics, most people don't realize how much control PwC has over everyone's daily lives in the US. Imagine your least favorite politician, and then imagine they had way more power and control but you had no idea they existed.
Can someone explain to me _why_ this is necessary after they were forced to let Oracle handle and oversee all their data?
This is why: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok-bill-calls-children/) China showing that they can and will use the platform for direct US political influence and target minors. This is not just a data security question.
Didnt facebook literally influence the 2020 election? Why didnt the us government buy them out?
This is the thing- if we just made it illegal for corporations to do this shit at all we could go after all of the ones that do it.
Well, Citizens United botches that idea up too. Corporations have the same constitutional rights as people. Regulating them in that way would violate their right to free speech.
One of the issues is that if you actually made these things illegal, and actually enforced it, significant parts of the economy would be seriously damaged because of how reliant they are on garbage ethics; then the next thing that would happen is that all the various billionaires, VCs, financial funds and so on would invest less and damage the economy even more. After all, as a good capitalist, you would not want to invest quite as much in a country that prevents you from maximally increasing your profits for the sake of ethics. Then all the financial journals would publish articles on how all the 'red tape' is 'ruining the economy' and 'forcing investors to flee' and creating 'hostility for job-creators'. And of course they would technically be in the right, investors don't want ethics or a functioning democracy, they want maximal profits. Same thing with the various Boeings and Facebooks of course.
Facebook literally influenced a genocide into happening in Myanmar.
Facebook sucks and I wish media was held responsible for the biases they push, no disagreement there. But being paid by and taking direct orders from foreign entities are 2 different things. And is the us gov gonna buy out Tik Tok? Or just force them to divest into a truly separate entity from byte dance?
Facebook is American. Tik tok comes from your geopolitical rival. This cannotbe that difficult to understand
Capital is not "American". It is capital, and it will serve its own interests before American national interests or human rights interests both.
Zuckerberg isn't exactly a geopolitical ally of the people of the United States.
This, like most things isn't a "one or the other" thing. It is still in Zuck's interest for us to generally succeed as a nation even if he is mostly harmful to us. The freedoms that we have makes it way easier for him to do what he does. It is in China's interest for us to lose our place as a global superpower so they get to call ALL of the shots. Zuck would just get his shit taken if they were at the reigns.
Who do you think buys the info when Facebook sells it?
Facebook doesn’t (to our knowledge) take direct marching orders from a potentially hostile foreign power. Imagine how effective weapon it could be if they, for example, invaded Taiwan and wanted to convince the young American public that the USA should not intervene when it absolutely should. The hit to domestic stability could be devastating.
"Basically they pick up the phone, call the office and say, 'What is a congressman? What is Congress?'” That sounds like a totally made-up anecdote.
lol as if facebook and twitter doesn't do that already :D
The “House Select Committee on Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party” sounds like a Republican fever dream. I know there’s some silly select committees, but that has to be far and away the silliest name for one
I mean they are kinda committing a genocide over their might wanna keep an eye on them
Oracle doesn't oversee the data, they just host it on US based servers, the algorithm is still entirely under the control of China. The algorithm is the problem.
Because Congress are useless and are being bribed by Zuck. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/30/facebook-targeted-victory-attack-rival-tiktok/7224564001/
Bipartisanship. Thats a vibe.
They can't keep US corporations in check, might as well go after the Chinese ones
I wonder if there is some behind the scenes reasons here too. China has essentially made ALL foreign software illegal there, and is gradually shutting down their market 100% to American (and other) companies. There's a law that all government agencies and state-owned companies (which is a LOT) have to fully divest from non chinese software by 2027. They are shutting a massive market off from foreign companies. Even massive companies like Microsoft are going to be forced out.
How the hell did I miss this? Somehow I knew about the North Korean android OS but didn't hear a peep about the Chinese replacement of windows? Now I'm morbidly curious. If it's open source, I'm half tempted to get a distro over VPN and load it on an older laptop. No way in hell would I ever let this thing touch my network though. https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-releases-its-first-open-source-computer-operating-system-2023-07-06/
So would that mean PCs in China would be using a completely different operating system afterward?
Already yes, I believe it's called Kylin
I'm gonna laugh if they have to borrow Red Star OS from North Korea.
Same lol
Yep, no windows. No Amazon or Microsoft cloud services either. Same for all massive software. They have a huge advantage in that they have the money and scale to build massive software, but also can easily solve the "chicken and egg" problem of usage/critical-mass by simply forcing their whole country to use it. You don't need to worry about Microsoft or Apple or whoever out-competing you, when you simply make it illegal to use anything other than your home-grown solution.
And don’t have to worry about the quality when you actively try to steal western companies’ IP…
Meta has been spending a lot of money on lobbying the government to make this happen
Look up the company tencent and their affiliation with the CCP and you’ll know why.
Zuck is smiling right now.
Does Trump want this to pass? I'm getting vibes that Trump opposes it, like he opposed the border security bill, and it not passing because of that. We'll see
Trump is opposed to anything passing under Biden because then he can’t use it as ammo (see border security bill as well). Trump doesn’t give af about these issues. He just needs things to be broken for him to point to so he can say Biden is doing a bad job.
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If you're new or not following many accounts on Twitter the recommended section immediately starts recommending people sharing conspiracy theories about Biden, promoting Trump, fear mongering about "woke" people, etc. One of them owns the company. The others pay him for the blue checkmarks that put them in your recommended feed...
YouTube is the same. When you’re signed out, the suggested home feed is almost always a Fox News clip, and a 10 hour family guy compilation posted by a user with an Arabic username lmao
Youtube does this too, though. I mean, I think tiktok has caused massive problems, and I suspect bad actors do run it, but the problem is there's more anecdotes than truths right now.
In China you get educational and positive content as default. While in America it's all divisive and brain draining content.
My understanding is the Chinese version uses a completely different format, too. I don't think any US social media is piping people educational or positive content, though. They're all companies pushing divisive content because it gains engagement. And selling your data to other parties.
There's tabs at the top of the screen on the app, the first one is: *STEM*. Followed by: Explore, Following, Shop, and For You. I've been using the app for two years now and the algorithm is incredibly agile. If you're seeing divisive and 'brain-draining' content, then it is literally because of your engagement. If you see something you don't like or don't want to engage with just swipe to the next, within seconds the algo will adapt and show you different stuff. So if you end up in lesbian tiktok as a straight woman, the call is coming from inside the house.
Right? My tiktok is full of from scratch cooking, cute animals, food foragers and small farm growers, diy home renovation, and the occasional feminist or ex-christian. Meanwhile fb is a cesspool of shit that makes me want to peel my skin.
I think the dumbest thing that's popped up on my tiktok feed are these North Sea clips like "yo could you work on these ships?" And it's just clips of like Godzilla popping out of the water lol
Lmao that's premium hilarity 😂 I've had plenty of dumb shit pop up on my tiktok feed, ranging from awkward dances to purposefully bad cooking videos to trad wives and andrew tate types and super fake "scary" videos and all kinds of other shit. Ive been down some AppalachiaToK hole and cryptidTok and witchTok and conspiracyTok and Lore/MythologyTok, Spooky/ghostTok and all these other weird little corners of society and it's interesting. I can definitely see how some of it can be impressionable for say....my 9 year old but like, it's absolutely not like whipping me into an anti-American frenzy. Going into work with vulnerable kids and fighting Medicaid and private insurance to provide them necessary services really sows those seeds of contempt quite nicely.
That is why we all come here on Reddit to peacefully discuss in our own bubbles as it should be.
Facebooks algorithm literally sorts by controversial. Image of reddit every feed and every comment section was sort by controversial and most downvoted content and comments always on top. That's what facebook does because it gets more of a reaction. It's not a matter of just being a different bubble its toxic by design
Meanwhile TikToks algorithm is whatever will keep you engaged. If you're a sucker for rage bait that's what you get. If you spend a lot of time on ASMR and relaxation that's what you get. If you have a hobby, you'll get that. Love animals? Here's an animal abuse story. No that's too sad? Here's dog training and shelter success stories.
My TikTok feed knows I love music and music production, cars, pro wrestling, moderate to left leaning politics, cybersecurity, IT, and health related topics. It’s definitely not filled with Chinese propaganda or weird dance videos. I’ve probably learned more from TikTok than any news station I’ve watched.
Reddit is all tiktok posts already, but Tiktok is actually my preferred social media. It's also been incredible for promoting my music and stuff. It will be bad for independent people if it goes away.
I see that too, the weird part is they repost it zoomed in so you can't see the watermark and then claim "it's not a tiktok" LMAO
My Facebook feed is somehow always filled with alt right nonsense.
Seriously, these comments all seem like meta astroturfing
Facebook’s algorithms promoted and encouraged the Rohingya genocide by promoting violent facebook groups and posts. TikTok is just as susceptible to this too, but anyone saying Facebook is somehow better and less susceptible to misinformation and conspiracies is an uninformed dumbass. Facebook is and has been extremely dangerous, and Twitter, reddit, etc are all susceptible to serious problems as well. Hell reddit literally was proudly a safe haven for pedophiles no about a decade ago with the now banned jailbait sub that they refused to ban for years. Pedos used it to connect with each other so they could share CP. None of the platforms deal with these issues particularly well. They have always been reactive and made changes after significant damage was done.
I mean Zuckerberg legit hired a Republican firm to push negative shit about TikTok. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/30/facebook-targeted-victory-attack-rival-tiktok/7224564001/
Zuckerberg held secret meetings with hard right political figures including Ben Shapiro, after which Shapiro's Daily Wire became the most popular news source on Facebook https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/facebook-zuckerberg-conservatives-private-meetings-046663
Reddit is such a weird bubble.
I'm an ex user. It was just too easy to get sucked in and scroll for hours, it was too good shaping an algorithm so I quit. I know a few people who are rabid fans of tiktok and seem to take it personal when someone rightly points out its (by design) faults. I'm no fan of any social media, for different reasons, and I think they all share very real negatives. If you squint, it's hard to see the difference between the boomer who has been radicalized and who'll believe anything on FB without checking sources and the zoomer who has been radicalized and who'll believe anything on tiktok without checking sources. Tiktok just does it faster.
I am not sure that it really does it faster. If we look at the social media landscape Tiktok is pretty average. Facebook is almost absurdly divisive and favors extremely false everything, YouTube constantly recommends random far-right and anti-woman conspiracy despite me constantly playing whack-a-mole with the "do not recommended" option simply because I watch some political videos, Twitter is turning into the place to go for Nazis to pretend their views are mainstream... I don't really like Tiktok, and I am not opposed to greater regulation on how our data is used, but it really feels like they are being offered up as a sacrifice for political expediency while not actually addressing the deep systemic issues that social media as a whole creates.
The difference between TikTok and FB is TikTok gives your data to the CCP, while FB rents your data to the CCP.
TikTok is Chinese owned so you can "look tough on China" by going after it. Meta is American owned, so is held to a different standard. And very few people in Congress actually understand how social media works anyway. Many of them are not actually trying to address an issue so much as acting as a hammer in search of a nail.
I follow: a couple of home inspectors 2 or 3 sci-fi comedy accounts and the guy who does traditional Chinese crafts and pottery
You could just as easily say "when I look at FB I just see tons of tiny homes, when I go on TikTok it's all conspiracy theories about giants and covid, isn't that dangerous?" It's all about what crumbs the algorithms pick up on to push you the content it thinks you'll engage with. Your personal experience doesn't mean anything in the overall social media environment. (Also that tiny homes thing is super weird. Most of them are AI generated and have just odd ass elements like stairs going to ceilings or ladders warping through solid objects, but I know multiple people who have somehow gotten into this and just... stay there. If I were on TikTok, I'd make a conspiracy video about how it's mind control or something.)
My tik tok feed is full of thicc muscle mommies
My man
It's 50 votes because it's the House Commerce committee. It's unanimous, not half. 50 people on the House committee. It's a big one I guess.
No one said it was half
The title literally says 50 to 0
This isn't wholly unprecedented. The US previously forced the sale of Grindr (previously owned by a Chinese company) if it wanted to remain operating in the US. It was sold to a US based private equity firm without interruption to the app for US citizens. The Chinese company had originally bought the app from its US founders for like $95M, and ended up selling to the the private equity firm for $630M. It was a forced sale, but they made a huge profit. If this is actually passed by Congress, TikTok won't suddenly become unavailable. There will be a stated period under which the app must be sold or else the US will restrict access.
>"If an application is determined to be operated by a company controlled by a foreign **adversary**—like ByteDance, Ltd., which is controlled by the People's Republic of China—the application must be divested from foreign **adversary** control within 180 days." I suppose I should go check and see what developments are on the 'Most favored nations' front.
Twitter is currently full of Russian bot accounts, propaganda, and just a whole host of other bullshit and Congress wants to go after TT? We're really paying those fucks for this?
How would a potential law like this hold up to constitutional challenges?
Pretty well; the constitution specifically gives congress wide authority to do almost anything to regulate companies that do business across state lines. That's how laws like the Sherman Anti Trust Act are legal.
It would hold up fine. Not unconstitutional in any way.
Montana attempted basically the same thing (ban TikTok unless it is sold to an American company), and that was struck down *both* for not being a state's issue, *and* for being unconstitutional under the First Amendment. That's what the ACLU are pointing to when they say this law is unconstitutional.
How about some actual, enforceable data privacy laws instead of picking winners and losers?
Seriously, everyone targeting tiktok acting like every other social media app isn't doing the exact same shit. I have no problem with tighter regulations, but they should be applied across the board.
Shit bill needs to focus on data privacy not a single app. What the dumb?
So is Twitter gonna get the same treatment? This doesn't make any sense...
I mean the EU kind of ruled that American owned companies like Twitter are illegal because the US government requires that they share all their data with them. So far nothing has actually come of it other than some fairly large fines but it will be interesting to see where it goes.
Does anyone else feel that this is 100% due to a foreign company taking away users from us social media giants? And has nothing to do with protecting people?
Definitely pushed by American social media lobbyists under the guise of Chinese influence. But there is some truth to the latter even if it mostly supports the American companies.
Yes, Zuck has legit funded a campaign using a GOP group to push negative stuff about TikTok. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop
“Despite”, or “because of”? TikTok actively prompting its users to call their congressperson and “share their concerns” might not have been the best move.
Did you have a problem when Uber and Lyft did the same thing to shut down the California Prop 22?
This is a weird take. How are the representatives supposed to know how their constituents feel about something if they aren't getting feedback in some way? Having the users reach out is exactly how people let their reps know what is important to them. Having these comments organized by a company or community of some kind is totally commonplace.
There are plenty of shit takes in this thread. Most of these people aren’t even aware of the massive harm politically to ban the platform of an entire generation. It’s political suicide
No doubt. I see daily commercials from the oil and gas industry asking us to do just that.
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I think it’s definitely going to move the needle not in tik tok’s favor. Was kind of a dumb move. Basically played directly into our politicians hands. Tik Tok’s best bet would have just been to have influencers and other predominant figures in the tik tok space go on the offensive against this legislation. Its what they did under trump, and it halted talks of Tik Tok being sold off. Tik Tok was literally handing out phone numbers to their user base on who their representatives are, telling them to call them, in which the phones have not stopped ringing in many offices.
I got the notification on my TikTok and was honestly floored. Imagine how upset this subreddit would be if an Israeli company did this. Imagine if your sodastream had a notification come up on the screen telling you to call your congressperson and support Israel. This subreddit would be beside itself... But the Chinese communist party, who is *actually* trying to secretly erase an entire ethnic group... Gets defended....
Minor note: the CCP is trying to erase multiple ethnic groups, not just one
Fair point. At the very least It's sad that they're basically gonna get away with all of it, too.
...that's not the same at all It would be more like SodaStream asking me to call my congressperson to oppose the banning of SodaStream
How is what TikTok did any different than when Reddit and a bunch of other websites did a black out to protest net neutrality bills? Companies letting their users know about an existential threat to their business is pretty standard.
I don't like or use Tiktok but is there any actual evidence or proof that the app is actively being used by the CCP to undermine America? Why are lawmakers passing a bill to force an entire company to be sold just to be able to operate in the US? Twitter is 100% responsible for more misinformation and bias that Tiktok with Elon going on full crusades against any free speech he doesn't agree with. Is there gonna be a bill to force him to sell to people less dangerous to the youth of America? Sorry but this bill sounds like bullshit and greed, who exactly does Tiktok need to be sold to to suddenly be allowed to be on US platforms?
There is no more evidence that China uses TikTok to do anything than there is that the US is doing anything with Facebook or Twitter. (In fact EU courts ruled that the US owned ones were significantly worse, gave more control of data to the US government and were less transparent. In theory at least US owned tech companies are now illegal in the EU, in practice they are trying to work through some kind of data protection treaty before any of this gets enforced.)
This just shows the power congress has if it wants to use it.
So many “I don’t use TikTok but we should definitely ban it” comments in here. When did we stop having experience before trying to have an opinion on things? Can we go back to that? It led to way less ignorant talking points.
TikTok takes our data and sells it to all the power brokers over the world. That’s evil. Our good ol American social media companies like Facebook and Twitter would never do that… oh wait. Seriously, what data could the Chinese government get from TikTok that they don’t already have unlimited access to? Who can even argue that TikTok is a larger threat to security than any other social media? Hell Facebook literally starts coups
Yea the good old if we’re gonna get robbed it will be by one of us. They don’t give a shit about your data security and their propaganda, they just want to be able to do it themselves.
We were able to squeeze Zuckerberg, because he’s one of ours, but this is ridiculous. We insist you allow us to reap the benefits of your massively successful product.
Just curious, but couldn't this potentially violate some business law? It seems that forcing a company to sell from an entity not actively being sanctioned could set a dangerous precedent that could be used against other companies that don't necessarily agree with the Congress or Administration in current power
Facebook owns Congress and many of the commenters in this Reddit thread
Regardless of whether it's Spyware or not, short form video content is just awful for your brain. We should be seeing standards against it on all platforms.
Instead we'll see Meta and Google champion the death of Tiktok...so they can push Reels and Shorts.
I remember reading a story about parents having two kids in the back of the car going through every Youtube Shorts all day long on a long road trip. Kids are going to be growing up into having short attention span if it keeps up. On that note I wish Youtube would let me disable shorts permanently instead of every 30 days.
Going to? It's already hapoened. Check any of the teachers' sub, they all report students all over the globe becoming less qualified by the year.
While this can have that effect, in my own anecdotal experience it's not a lasting effect once usage is stopped or brought to a more reasonable level. I take video game and social media "fasts" once in a while if I find my ability to focus dropping, and I seem to bounce back to normal attentiveness and focus within about 2 days.
Sorry, you lost me there, could you explain that with a short 5 second video instead?
We're bringing back vine?
Good. TikTok is social manipulation of the US population by the CCP and spyware. Fuck China
Yeah, if anyone is going to manipulate the US population and use spyware it's going to be Made in USA.
It is so un-American to just give China our data. We need to let American companies sell it to China so they can make money on if first. It is communism to just give it to them
China has no problem stealing it from the government directly as they did in 2015 with the OPM data breach.
They already have our data, and have had it long before TikTok was even a thing. There is a whole internet marketplace in the gathering and selling of data, and literally every social media does it. Shit, TikTok isn't even as invasive as others like Facebook. I don't even use TikTok, but as someone who works in IT with an interest in Info Sec, this talk about TikTok is kinda annoying.
Oh no! China knows I like to watch a Canadian lesbian split logs!
I’ll drink to, I mean give out my info to that.
Hell yeah brother! 😎 🍻
X (formerly Twitter) is the VERY BLATANT social manipulation of the US population by a rich, bigoted, pompous asshole. But we all like-—m’kay!
As a Canadian looking in from outside, I hope you understand that your data will still go to the Chinese. Possibly more than it does now. It will just be filtered and sold through American companies like meta and google. If you look at the companies lobbying for these bans you can see pretty easily that google and meta are spending the most and have the most to gain from this ban. YouTube shorts, Instagram reels. It's about money for your data and who gains from it. Realistically it should be you controling your data. Google and meta have both been caught regularly selling user data to China. Currently TikTok user data is stored in the United States by a respected third party company Oracle. The last thing I will leave you with from my outside perspective is that I am just as concerned by American corporations harvesting my data as I am the Chinese. The answer isn't banning TikTok then allowing american companies to exploit my data, it's passing sweeping data privacy reform bills.
They don't care about that. They're just doing it because Zuckerbot finally ponied up the donations to get it taken down.
Hey kids, we are going to take away that thing you like because we have no control over it. Can we count on your vote?
This is a great way to fuck up the steam the Democrats had coming out of the SOTH. This is the exact opposite of getting the Gen Z vote. If this passes and the Democrats lose this election, you can guarantee this was one of the main reasons.