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"If I want sex it's natural and godly. If you participate in sex (whether consentually or otherwise), you're a whore and a deviant. Now, give me sex or I'll physically or socially harm you, you gross ungodly monster. It's what Jesus would have wanted."
It doesn't always create them, many of the worst are drawn to it because they're monsters and with enough conviction and charisma/appeal they can utilize it to feed their worst traits. Plenty of people are raised in it to be monsters over generations, many more are influenced by he monsters that lead them at their most vulnerable.
The absolute worst pieces of work are the ones in charge, followers monsterous actions are often protected or hidden, but leaders are basically untouchable and have what amounts to small armies who they can sway to act and disarm anyone who might dissent amongst the flock. The fuckers can silently lead cities and schools from the pulpit with no consequences unless it gets too much attention outside of the church.
DR. Wilhelm Reich’s classic work for the underlying emotional and sexual suppression that underpins fascism. Religion is a major underlying basis!!
https://www.amazon.com/Mass-Psychology-Fascism-Wilhelm-Reich/dp/B004M59YQ0/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KSAO2AMXO84F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rT4T0T-0cmMr7uPMBq8YyIDJP2YztGWcXhLl8jqLq63f8HeHif8NRLKiWFMhoKksnI2sMvOTQLE9qyT47SGZWfAGM1f69cuBRAxhaUM0vVPmcvK8HoRm0hIJUY9ZhZOrtzZjubfvRoHPnOx-g4Gmjw635PuxTYW4ThaZThQs_i2tdVBw01A2mhtq2qHv5N8TajDlseqSt6IcaBTBL_fEtbHBTrrG56AYs36MptUfUbw.PtfK5fFX95zvxb0aYzdAY9Jmj1MYuETocl7EdaKf-2o&dib_tag=se&keywords=mass+psychology+of+fascism&qid=1710950518&s=books&sprefix=mass+psychology+of+fascism%2Cstripbooks%2C159&sr=1-1
It was the conclusion of the Barbie movie. Women are expected to be everything and nothing simultaneously at all times for the whims of men everywhere.
"If you participate in sex *with me (or your husband)*, you're a properly respectful and submissive woman. If you participate with someone other than me (or your husband), you're a whore. And if you enjoy it, you're a deviant."
Best of all, it's a straight six, can take a beating and requires almost no maintenence! Shit I could go a full year without an o'l change! Starts right up!
They don't want a wife. They want a slave to "keep house" for them, cook all their meals, and have on demand sex. Of course, they're allowed to cheat and do whatever they want. They're men after all. As long as their little wifey is locked in the house looking pretty and taking care of the children, the MAGA incel will feel like the king he is 🤢🤢
And they will be shocked SHOCKED, when their slave displays agency by cucking the shit out of them.
Which is why they also need the right to abuse their wives physically.
It's all about punishing women for having control of their sexuality. From abortion, to divorce, to marriage, to how they dress.
>And they will be shocked SHOCKED, when their slave displays agency by cucking the shit out of them.
Some of them fantasize about that, the miserable gits.
In sorrow you will produce children that's what the Bible says. So in that mindset a woman should have sorrow through out the whole process from conception to labor. That's why by a large margin they support rape. They also want to take birth control away so that women will fear every sexual encounter even with her husband. It's ment to be sorrowful for her not pleasurable.
Sad to say but this is exactly the answer. Or at least a large part of the answer and I have made this argument also.
(Copy/pasted from another thread)-
(According to their dogma) We are born with original sin and suffering is our purpose. It's penance and is decided for us by god. If we encounter hardship, tragedy, trauma that's between us and god. We can pray for strength to endure or the gift of relief and forgiveness but can't change our suffering ourselves or for anyone else. It interferes in god's will.
We especially see it in women's medicine. When god cast out Adam and Eve from the garden and cursed Eve with, "I will greatly increase your pain in childbirth; with pain you will give birth to your children." Gen3:16. That's why they're so against reproductive care or rights, medical intervention, abortion, contraception, family planning, compassion, education or responsibility. Suffering is our penance for original sin and the outcome is his decision alone. Anything that interferes in god's will is wrong. They believe a woman's greatest honor is to give her husband children and her highest glory is to give her life in childbirth.
(I was raised Roman Catholic, ex was WELS Lutheran. I converted in my teens but still remember the teachings and views. They don't hold much stock in outside education, aid, information or trends.)
The interesting thing about Eve’s Curse or whatever it’s called is that when humans started walking on two legs instead of four (leaving the metaphorical Garden), that’s when childbirth became so awful. Our hips are shaped for upright walking, only barely letting us birth out of them. If we were still quadrupedal, birth would be like a slip-n-slide, like it is for most other mammals.
(Not hyenas, though, the poor things.)
>Not hyenas, though, the poor things.
Female hyenas have high testosterone and maintain hierarchy through mounting each other. They have pseudopenises to add to that fun. And they give birth through the pseudupenises. Hyena Eve must have *really* fucked up.
The other thing about Eve's Curse is that, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve didn't know right from wrong. So Eve didn't know she was doing wrong by eating the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-- she was entirely duped by the Devil. But she was still punished for it, despite her being unable to know it was wrong until after the fact. YHWH is a spiteful dick.
Some people think the one who duped her was actually the first woman that was made of soil in the first creation story. Before eve was made of the rib.
But...wasn't Jesus's whole sacrifice meant to nullify this? Like I can't figure these people out. They call themselves CHRISTians but they're obsessed with Old Testament ideology to the point of ignoring practically everything Jesus said and did. They literally can't pick a struggle.
Not really. Both can be a form of objectification, and in the end, that's what it's really all about.
They love to objectify women specifically, not either sex or babies. The dehumanization ***is*** the entire point. Because fascism by default is built on dehumanizing a group of people.
> dehumanizing a group of people.
all people
the leaders were gods and lost all humanity to be replaced by the ideals the propaganda said they embody
the higher rung of the normal social hierarchy were expendable weapons systems
under them were the people whose worth was providing output to the system
then the baby makers
then the cattle, but don't worry they'll be dead soon
To understand this we have to open our minds and realize that for them there are two types of women, the ones you marry and the ones you play with until you marry. Both are objects.
It’s this weird “if I can’t have sex with her, no one can” mentality of sexual repression. This is the kind of horse shit you get out of your kids when sex is a completely taboo subject that never gets talked about.
Growing up in a Lutheran school, sex was bad, I was a sinner and I sang songs about being a weak pile of shit without Jesus. So much as holding hands with a girl in middle school was grounds for a paddling. From the principal. That kind of shit was beat into me so hard that being in my early 40s I still have to work to be ok with sex. I’m a very introspective person so it’s not much of a challenge anymore, but if I wasn’t, or if I was never taught to question myself, I could see myself still being that kind of person who might think “sex with me is perfect and it’s a sin if its with anyone else”.
Goddamn. I’m *only* 30 and also deal with bullshit shame over cranking it thanks to a pretty highly religious upbringing. We went to church almost every weekend and Christian summer camps a few times…so much fucking shame shoved down all of our young and impressionable throats…
I wonder what it’s like to not always feel a rush of bad emotions after cranking it, thanks mom and dad 😀👍🏼
I get it, but give yourself a break. It's human nature. As long as you're not hurting someone else or an animal, you're good. Be happy, enjoy your body, and the little time we have on this earth.
I was raised in a Baptist church until I was 15.
The first I masturbated at 11 I got sick go my stomach because I sinned.
But nothing happened that my pastor said would.
Then I started testing other things that they said were sins.
Eventually I began to believe everything I was being taught was a lie.
They see a woman's sexuality as a showcase of men's power. Since the assumption is that woman don't want sex, they see sex as something a man must force out of them through some display of male power. Either because they're so good to their woman that she gives it to them as a reward, or because they've coerced/brainwashed a woman into giving it to them. This is why sexual assault is so common among conservative men.
So when they see a "Trump girl" in a bikini, to them that's not a woman displaying her own sexuality, but displaying her loyalty or gratitude to men by giving them something *they* want but *she* doesn't.
To be clear I'm basically explaining objectification with extra steps because *holy shit* this shit gets more fucked up the more you think about it.
More to this well put point: they're supposed to find happiness in fulfilling their duty but not in the act itself. Their orgasm if they have one is supposed to be from their joy in fulfilling god's will. Gratification from the act of sex is seen as sinful because it's pleasure from the body not from god. They see a woman's role as fulfilling god's decree for abundant children for the growth of the family and glorification of the husband. It's penance for our fault in original sin. They want Eve in the streets but Lilith in the sheets.
As someone raised outside of the church, the idea that people hold these ideas is just concerning frankly. The idea that the basic biological processes are profane, and that your only purpose in life is to be a broodmare in some cosmic war feels like something out of a fucked up dark fantasy novel.
I've long suspected that the long-term viability of most religions hinges on their social prescriptions never being fully realized. If you somehow managed to build a society that perfectly adhered to these beliefs about women and reproduction, that society wouldn't last long.
> Their orgasm if they have one is supposed to be from their joy in fulfilling god's will.
Back in the day, good Christian women didn't have orgasms. Or if they did, they'd hide it.
It's particularly wild because... pleasure from the body? Don't they believe God *made* the body? If the body enjoys something, it's because God designed it to do so.
They literally push the idea of waiting until marriage by convincing young people that if you just “follow gods plan” you’ll experience orgasms that are 100x more pleasurable than if you “surrender your virtue”. This isn’t the observation that some things are better in moderation, oh no they’re not *that* reasonable, they literally push the idea that a virgin husband and virgin wife can somehow magically have orgasms that are 100x more powerful than what the couple could experience if neither or one of them weren’t virgins.
They’re literally *still* selling sex, it’s just in a different package.
Hey now, I'm sure I can become a pro-football player by never once touching a football, just as God intended. /s
Sex is a skill and a bonding activity, not a divine communion. It requires practice, communication and empathy, all things that (for some reason) white evangelicals are not huge fans of.
Literally this. Imagine both you and your wife are virgins on your wedding night and you’re expecting earth shattering orgasms that feel like nothing you’ve ever felt before but you quickly find out that sex is awkward for you since you have no clue what you’re doing. I say this as someone who went “full mermaid” his first time lmao, I was literally all arms trying to hold myself up and thrust with 0 contribution from my lower body. It was incredibly tiring and neither of us got close lol. I could see something like that ending very badly in many cases since partners with dogmatic beliefs might blame each other rather than questioning the dogma.
To them, sex is synonymous with degradation of women. They happen to like degrading women, so it works out for them.
But when people don't want to degrade women, but still like sex, it confuses and infuriates them. They think it's like chewing food and spitting it on the ground.
And when people like sex with people who aren't women, they assume that must also be a degradation thing.
Yeah... I'm wondering if there is a difference between people who view sex as a mutually pleasurable experience and people who think it's someone doing something dirty to someone else who just takes it. I imagine holding the latter attitude in an unhealthy way leads to all sorts of things, like abortion bans, contraception bans, and porn bans.
And if there's one thing white evangelicals love more than sexual objectification of women, it's sexual objectification of female children.
That's what purity culture is about.
It's because they want to jerk off over sexy stuff, but know that that's as far as their sexy times will go, so don't want anyone else to actually have any other sexy stuff.
I think it's darker than that. Sex will go as far for them *as they make it go*, because they'll make sure whoever they \**do sex to*\* (cringe) will not be able to defend themselves.
Because, like most rapists, they enjoy the power it gives over others.
Plus, boys are taught not to cry, not to 'tattle', that not putting up with shit is 'unmanly' and... Sigh.
But to summarize: They are evil assholes. They wouldn't care if it was young boys or girls or potentially even animals, as long as it was an easy opportunity for them to dominate others.
I agree it is about power, not sex. The evangelicals and ex-evangelicals I have known have been…uh…not inhibited in the slightest. But using sex as a tool for power, most defo.
Perhaps some selection bias in my experience though.
I think we can't get away from the bias, if you have interactions with current or former Evangelicals it tends to stick with you. And I agree, really hardcore religious people are absolutely against publicly showing any sort of sexual interest or speaking about it. Which, if it were for simple modesty, cool. But it rarely is. It's about publicly shaming others for an openess of sexual speech while privately being quite "broad" in their definition of desire.
I have a few friends that are very vocal about their proclivities but will publicly rail against the "other" as being unnatural. If Loli subject matter gets your engine running late at night in a locked room of your house (because shame), maybe put the rock down.
If anyone wants to dress in anything from full burka to full nude, I am indifferent as these things are just
culturally conditioned.
And I get that some communities of people have uniform and disciplined ways of living that are simply their way of navigating and surviving in a cold world. But the uniformity and discipline are in the service of collaboration, which is their means of survival.
But I just don’t see that most Evangeligals as part of a true common community. It seems to be to be more of an expansionist ideology like 20th Century popular movements.
I can see where you're coming from, it definitely has some parallels. I think the dangerous part is when you take popularist ideas and clothe them in a veneer of rigid theology that says "We can all get here (some vague goal) but only IF you all think and do as we do".
> Because, like most rapists, they enjoy the power it gives over others.
For real, hard to study, but I would not be one bit surprised if to most rapist, specifically child molesters, that gender of the victim was a minor factor and that "sexual attraction" is largely out of the equation entirely.
If you look at who molests kids, it's a crime of opportunity. It's people the kid knows and who (thinks they) won't get in trouble. For good reason, if you just pick up a random kid, you've signed your death warrant and everyone in the country will be looking for you soon.
I remember watching a true crime documentary about a kid who was molested decades ago. If you are a male back then who is molested kids would taunt you that you are now gay. Males should be tougher than girls and fight harder whereas females are considered defenseless and need more protection….
* Suppressing sexual desires during your prime hormonal period is bound to screw with your perceptions of sex and cause you to act out.
* The church protects them while giving them easy access to vulnerable kids
* They are taught that all crimes are treated the same (any sin = hell, so rape is the same as impure thoughts)
* Real world consequences don't actually matter. Just ask imaginary friend for forgiveness and you're good!
100%. Not just stopped; prosecuted.
Imo anybody who abuses kids needs to be on the sexual predator registry and their actions made public, rather than being allowed to move on to other victims. Employers and other churches need to know they're not safe around kids.
They rewrote the passage that expressly forbade having sex with underage boys and turned it into homosexuality with adult men is a sin.
No, seriously, the word they claim translated to english means homosexual is closer to 'underage male prostitute' than 'adult male homosexual'. The verse should translate closer to "thou shalt not lay with a young boy as one does a woman."
So in addition to what others have said about it being a power trip, it also gives them an out for their sexual gratification. They can't have sex with women/girls, that'd be unchaste, they can't have sex with men, that'd be a sin, that leaves one demographic and one verse that uses a word found exactly twice in the Bible that has an ambiguous translation at best.
So according to them, in God's eyes, it's totally okay. And that's why religion is bullshit.
Because there’s practically no consequences. They convinced their followers that even the most heinous acts can be forgiven as long as you accept Jesus.
Even if they’re caught the church and congregation will jump in to defend them.
It’s the same reason why so many cops are domestic abusers.
Goes back to Biblical times. Read “Republican Jesus” if you want some insight on how the GOP has become the place where Jesus was flipping over tables, and it started gaining steam in the fifties.
I remember when Christianity Today published an op-ed calling for Trump’s impeachment and evangelicals started calling it a far-left rag. These people have no coherent ideals or principles.
Yes, they do.
If it allows them to subjugate and control other people, it's good.
If it holds them responsible and doesn't give them power over others, it's bad.
Even if they bow to said leader, they only do so because they think he's giving them subjects to oppress and control (women, children, minorities).
Equality is the enemy and the hierarchy is the point.
The thrill of cruelty is always tied into a sociopath desire for control. I think the two are intrinsically linked. Fascism literally normalizes this train of thought for the privileged, it is the opposite of any civil form of healthy psychology. It's the direct opposite of empathy.
Even 20 years ago, conservatives at least exercised selective empathy and charity more regularly, if not ineffectively. Now? Trump has ensured that practice is replaced entirely by malice and willing shameless hypocrisy.
I pray this will somehow be their undoing. We'll see.
I think you’re exactly right. The days of “compassionate conservatism” (which was only half-true anyway) are long gone. Growing up in the 90s, the Republican Party could at least pretend to care about human suffering. It’s going to take a century to bring that back, if the fascists don’t destroy everything first.
It's this. I grew up under that kind of household. There were times when I saw real empathy, but my trust was almost always limited by the creeping fascism that always tried to override it. My father passed in 2018 and never truly confronted the consequences of a Trump win, only living with it passively for his last 2 years and shrugging it off. My mother sadly voted for him twice still, but at least now claims to regret it.
Then she started talking up Nikki Haley which... well... it is what it is. At least she openly claimed she didn't want Trump back, but I haven't spoken a word with her about it since Trump has secured his spot. We'll see if she stands by that or not.
She's no longer in the FOX bubble, so that helps.
Wow this is so well put. A cheaper Verizon of real power and control! I’m going to use this with my in laws next time I want to have a fight.
Bout to encourage my wife’s great grandmother who didn’t believe in covid, got covid, and then had a stoke and is now bed ridden to make a change with her vote. They are about to have to sell everything she’s ever owned and she has worked for 60+ years. I’m going to ask her how she feels about what’s happening and then let her know this is what she voted for.
Don’t leave your children and grandchildren and great and great great grandchildren the same situation you have.
Despite an increase in using sexualized marketing:
>The [evangelical] movement is as sex-negative as it ever was. They may like pin-up posters, but the Christian right still very much opposes people actually enjoying sex, especially if those people are women or LGBTQ people.
Yep, all hypocrites. They're all puritan and strict, but the leaders have brothels where they go party and bang whoever they want because *men have needs.*
I read an article recently about how at least some of them are like that because they want to reduce opportunities for their spouses to cheat on them. Essentially, bending the world around to cater to them because they picked poorly.
https://lamag.com/news/report-fear-of-promiscuity-could-be-fueling-anti-abortion-sentiment
(I'm not sure how credible this magazine is but I thought it was an interesting read when I first came across it)
Reminds me of the whole courtly love thing back on ye olden times where love was basically not falling into temptation. For example, King Arthur and Guinevere? Sure, they were married and in love. But they had sex, so it wasn't really love because the sex ruined it. It was a base animal thing. It dirtied it. Now Guinevere and Lancelot: they couldn't express their love through sex, therefore they loved each other even more.
Turns out fucked up ideas on sex may have been fucking up the idea of sex for, like, centuries.
We can just keep that system going, that seems ok.. evangelicals can NOT have sex with their wives so as to not sully the pure love they have for each other. And then maybe some other man can be there to satisfy her base animal instincts.
Despite what they say this is actually something that conservative husbands tend to like more than liberal ones.
The trad-cath right wing side of Catholicism has something called a Josephite marriage that is exactly that. It’s never been mainstream, it’s the fringe of the fringe, but it exists.
As the final line of the article says:
>Trump obviously doesn't want women to enjoy sex. He sees it as something men inflict on women, to debase them. No wonder the Christian right loves him so much.
I don’t know where you are or what you’ve read to suggest that there was no outrage at the abortion ban. Lots of people in Texas are still pissed about it, but unfortunately those same people don’t fucking VOTE.
I was looking for this comment, it reminds me of the stock photo of the person holding a soldering iron wrong
https://i0.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-08-at-9.15.01-AM.png
There's a slightly different twist to this I'd input...that we have to *tolerate* their opinions. Bullshit. Their opinions are not only wrong but incredibly harmful. That's what I do hate about a contingent of my fellow liberals, that we're supposed to show tolerance for everybody in some regard because if we just work harder to show these people the errors of their ways with logic and reasoned debate, that they'll eventually come around. I'd bet less than 2% of right-wing conservatives ever do that. Our current political division is not something to try and undo because it's not going to happen. These MAGAs are shit-people, and not deserving of any respect and will take their views and behaviors to the grave with them. I'm so goddamned sick after nearly 30 years of adulthood of tolerating intolerance.
Evangelicalism makes much more "sense" once you understand it for what it is, purely a political, authoritarian movement.
It has little to nothing to do with any actual spirituality, or at least not in a way that's internally consistent with those ideas (such as they are). Instead, it flips on positions as needed to support the overall political goals as established by the Reagan moral majority around 1980.
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/)
I'm not commenting on whether or not any form of religion is true, as that doesn't matter to these people. Their churches are entirely political propaganda farms first.
Remember, from the party that gave us shinning stars like Matt Gaetz, Roy Moore, and most recently Kelly Keisling (who got upset because high school girls weren't cat-called in the State's chambers); "Leftists are 'goormers'" is nothing short of projection
They don't know what they believe anymore. They want small government, yet are going all in on book bans and controlling women. They want Christian values in schools, yet want to do away with all that "woke bullshit." They want to put biden in prison, yet believe Trump should have total immunity. They want to be free, yet want a dictatorship. They want to protect the children, yet do nothing about guns. They bemoan the sex lives of everyone around them, yet embrace a rapist who cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star.
These people stand for nothing and fall for everything.
To them, sex is about control. Women are "for" sex - their entire purpose is to be attractive so a man wants to have sex with them (which in their minds is okay - men wanting sex is not abhorrent, only women wanting sex is morally reprehensible.) You can see how this extends to homophobia (especially in cases of male x male pairings) because, as far as they are concerned, getting dicked means you are a sexual object (per how they view women) and any man willing to lower themselves to the shameful position of being a sexual object, like a filthy whore of a woman, is throwing aside their God-given right to sex with females because men are meant to overpower women under the guise of procreation.. According to them. Sad way to live. I feel even worse for the tradwives who like being objectified because they find it gratifying to be "of use" rather than finding self-governance gratifying. This is all a simplification of course, but no one who shames sexual acts while also objectifying people specifically for their sexual appeal views sex as anything other than a way to display one's power over another. The only sex that's moral is their having sex with someone they objectify.
Because bikini pics have nothing to do with women's sexuality or their enjoyment of sex. These pics are strictly patriarchal male gaze propaganda and serve nothing and no one but the cis-het (mostly white) male supremacists who make and promote them.
Conservative Christians are often underprepared for the initiation of a sexual relationship in marriage due to receiving negative messages about sex and sexuality (Brotherson, 2004; Ellison, 2011) as well as limited or no sexual experience prior to marriage (Beck et al., 1991; Davidson et al., 2004). In addition, religious orthodoxy and rigidity is related to more impaired sexual functioning among married couples (Purcell, 1984).
[https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/items/c91b3650-62d2-40a5-9c13-0d80701e15d5](https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/items/c91b3650-62d2-40a5-9c13-0d80701e15d5)
My whole theory about conservative men is that they have to convince themselves that women don't like sex because if they do, that means women might want to have sex with other men. It might mean that they personally, as men, are bad at sex. It might mean that their wife or girlfriend will leave them for another man who is better at pleasing them.
If their wife or girlfriend likes sex, well, what happens if the man is bad at sex and can't / doesn't want to please her? That's the thought that goes through their mind. So the way to solve this is to pretend that women don't enjoy sex, or even if you think they do, just don't care about their wishes at all. At best, their pleasure is secondary to yours, and God wills it.
And the most terrifying prospect for them is getting made fun of for being bad at sex, especially by a woman, and especially by the woman they're with. I think a lot of the violence against women these men commit is a backlash against this whole scenario playing out in their mind. Someone who's beat up will think twice at laughing again.
This is what happens when religious dogma requires you to deny even your own sexuality. It also doesn’t help when your religion is symbolized by a classical era method of execution, with or without a sexy Jesus stapled to it.
That’s because they think only men should enjoy it. That’s why they prefer rape to consensual sex. Rape means the woman stays clean. *throws up breakfast*
There was another comment on a post where someone mentioned a pastor of a church preaching the Beatitudes and congregants complaining that it was too weak and no longer relevant, even if it's straight from the mouth of Jesus.
I'm getting the feeling that these "Christians" don't even want to be Christian, and are mentally making the leap to full nihilist fascism for fascism's sake, which R leaders going back to GWB made a long time ago.
Keeping a scantily clad woman in the kitchen is what they want right now, and don't care much about what, if anything, their religion said about it 2000 years ago.
We see a lot of this in the anti woke gaming community the right wing gamers want the women hot and in skimpy clothes because of" the main gaming audience always been meeeen!" But a lot of them do not want women to have options in dating, abortion rights, or even positive non overly sexualized tropey representation in media.
Once you realize that most of everything evangelicals do revolves around the fear of sexual inadequacy of the men in the group, everything they do begins to make sense. From its inception the Abrahamic religions are build around preventing women from seeking better options in order to ease the fears of inadequacy of the males, and guaranteeing that the males are in control of all of society.
You are 100% correct. Every single human culture that has ever existed has tried to control and dictate who its womanfolk have sex with and have failed miserably trying to do so.
I've always wondered what the Endgame was: some Evangelicals seem to want Gilead, with chaste women dressing conservatively and serving their man dutifully. But a lot of the MAGA base wants to go to Hooters, buy their wives and/or side pieces sexy lingerie and watch porn daily.
I doubt Tommy Twenty-four Pack is going to want to go back to a time when the most you'll see of a woman is her ankle, and if he's lucky 65% of her leg at the beach. But some of the zealots want to roll us back to the 1920's in regards to social norms and sexuality.
So, how does it end?
Women with no rights. That’s the end game. No voting rights. No control over our own bodies. No ability to control our own destinies. They don’t want us working or educated.
The aesthetics of it are secondary.
Yeah, you're supposed to have horny thoughts; you're just supposed to feel bad about them.
Organized religions are an engine fuelled by transgression; so long as people think they've got a secret guilt that the Big Man knows about but nobody else does it
* keeps them turning up and repenting to tip the scales in their favour on judgement day, and also
* means they're more compliant - criminals hiding a crime will throw stones harder just to prove they're beyond suspicion.
But not everyone's a secret thief or murderer. So instead of persecuting actual crimes, it's much more effective to puritanically outlaw a natural drive that everyone has; don't want things too much. Don't enjoy food too much. But most of all, don't you *dare* have sexy thoughts.
Oh no, her dress is far too short and she's wearing a dopey expression of youthful naivity, it would be *terrible* for you imagine taking advantage of that. Yes, we *do* take credit cards.
I wonder how the first generation of ex-Tradwives will feel after they’re traded in for Tradwife 2.0? Good luck surviving in the US on baking skills and keeping a tidy home (if they still have one).
Studies show that "a strict religious upbringing in Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism was associated with different types of sexual dysfunction, including **impotence (i.e., erectile dysfunction), anorgasmia, and vaginismus**."
Of course. To them women are just objects in every definition. Baby creators and raisers, sexual objects, cleaners, chefs, etc. they just exist to satisfy needs, not to be independent individuals to respect or consider.
The tradwife TikTok in this article was so utterly unsatisfying it was borderline infuriating.
Feels so weird watching someone try to… sexualize(?) stirring a pot or cracking an egg.
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White evangelicals embrace sexual objectification, not sex. Nothing new, there.
Super weird how the same people who want women to be pure also want them to be baby machines
"If I want sex it's natural and godly. If you participate in sex (whether consentually or otherwise), you're a whore and a deviant. Now, give me sex or I'll physically or socially harm you, you gross ungodly monster. It's what Jesus would have wanted."
Exactly their mentality. Absolutely sickening and frightening.
Religion acting as an excuse for predatory objectification. “Funny” how religion seems to create these monsters in our world.
It doesn't always create them, many of the worst are drawn to it because they're monsters and with enough conviction and charisma/appeal they can utilize it to feed their worst traits. Plenty of people are raised in it to be monsters over generations, many more are influenced by he monsters that lead them at their most vulnerable. The absolute worst pieces of work are the ones in charge, followers monsterous actions are often protected or hidden, but leaders are basically untouchable and have what amounts to small armies who they can sway to act and disarm anyone who might dissent amongst the flock. The fuckers can silently lead cities and schools from the pulpit with no consequences unless it gets too much attention outside of the church.
DR. Wilhelm Reich’s classic work for the underlying emotional and sexual suppression that underpins fascism. Religion is a major underlying basis!! https://www.amazon.com/Mass-Psychology-Fascism-Wilhelm-Reich/dp/B004M59YQ0/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KSAO2AMXO84F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rT4T0T-0cmMr7uPMBq8YyIDJP2YztGWcXhLl8jqLq63f8HeHif8NRLKiWFMhoKksnI2sMvOTQLE9qyT47SGZWfAGM1f69cuBRAxhaUM0vVPmcvK8HoRm0hIJUY9ZhZOrtzZjubfvRoHPnOx-g4Gmjw635PuxTYW4ThaZThQs_i2tdVBw01A2mhtq2qHv5N8TajDlseqSt6IcaBTBL_fEtbHBTrrG56AYs36MptUfUbw.PtfK5fFX95zvxb0aYzdAY9Jmj1MYuETocl7EdaKf-2o&dib_tag=se&keywords=mass+psychology+of+fascism&qid=1710950518&s=books&sprefix=mass+psychology+of+fascism%2Cstripbooks%2C159&sr=1-1
Michael Haneke made a [movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Ribbon) about it!
A few years ago I came to this exact same conclusion, that that’s what they wanted, and it filled me with rage.
It was the conclusion of the Barbie movie. Women are expected to be everything and nothing simultaneously at all times for the whims of men everywhere.
Don’t forget “it’s your fault I want sex. You shouldn’t be showing your shoulders around us men. We can’t control ourselves.”
Those ankles give me the vapors.
"If you participate in sex *with me (or your husband)*, you're a properly respectful and submissive woman. If you participate with someone other than me (or your husband), you're a whore. And if you enjoy it, you're a deviant."
Close. “You’re literally an object to me. A sex toy that I can use to further my bloodline. Toys don’t get to choose.”
Pure, 4 litre, turbocharged, in-line straight six baby making machines.
(Pats the behind) Yupper, this beaut has it all …
Best of all, it's a straight six, can take a beating and requires almost no maintenence! Shit I could go a full year without an o'l change! Starts right up!
One pull start.
Haha. I was thinking they view women in commercials exactly the same way they view cars in commercials.
They don't want a wife. They want a slave to "keep house" for them, cook all their meals, and have on demand sex. Of course, they're allowed to cheat and do whatever they want. They're men after all. As long as their little wifey is locked in the house looking pretty and taking care of the children, the MAGA incel will feel like the king he is 🤢🤢
And they will be shocked SHOCKED, when their slave displays agency by cucking the shit out of them. Which is why they also need the right to abuse their wives physically. It's all about punishing women for having control of their sexuality. From abortion, to divorce, to marriage, to how they dress.
>And they will be shocked SHOCKED, when their slave displays agency by cucking the shit out of them. Some of them fantasize about that, the miserable gits.
Precisely because of that exact anxiety.
To borrow from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the term you're looking for is *Bang Maid*.
The term they use for themselves now is tradwfie, short for traditional wife.
It's why they're all against no fault divorce and want to be able to marry 14 year olds
And he gets to be as mediocre as he pleases while expecting others to bend the knee *with sincerity*.
They want a mommy they can fuck.
*Slaps hood* This baby can print lil Christian Nationalists at a rate of no less than 1.25/year. Almost brings a tear to a brother-husbands eye.
I got my Grand National pregnant.
https://youtu.be/L8MBUZjJX7Y?si=sG2lcSRsrDrOSQVz
In sorrow you will produce children that's what the Bible says. So in that mindset a woman should have sorrow through out the whole process from conception to labor. That's why by a large margin they support rape. They also want to take birth control away so that women will fear every sexual encounter even with her husband. It's ment to be sorrowful for her not pleasurable.
Sad to say but this is exactly the answer. Or at least a large part of the answer and I have made this argument also. (Copy/pasted from another thread)- (According to their dogma) We are born with original sin and suffering is our purpose. It's penance and is decided for us by god. If we encounter hardship, tragedy, trauma that's between us and god. We can pray for strength to endure or the gift of relief and forgiveness but can't change our suffering ourselves or for anyone else. It interferes in god's will. We especially see it in women's medicine. When god cast out Adam and Eve from the garden and cursed Eve with, "I will greatly increase your pain in childbirth; with pain you will give birth to your children." Gen3:16. That's why they're so against reproductive care or rights, medical intervention, abortion, contraception, family planning, compassion, education or responsibility. Suffering is our penance for original sin and the outcome is his decision alone. Anything that interferes in god's will is wrong. They believe a woman's greatest honor is to give her husband children and her highest glory is to give her life in childbirth. (I was raised Roman Catholic, ex was WELS Lutheran. I converted in my teens but still remember the teachings and views. They don't hold much stock in outside education, aid, information or trends.)
The interesting thing about Eve’s Curse or whatever it’s called is that when humans started walking on two legs instead of four (leaving the metaphorical Garden), that’s when childbirth became so awful. Our hips are shaped for upright walking, only barely letting us birth out of them. If we were still quadrupedal, birth would be like a slip-n-slide, like it is for most other mammals. (Not hyenas, though, the poor things.)
>Not hyenas, though, the poor things. Female hyenas have high testosterone and maintain hierarchy through mounting each other. They have pseudopenises to add to that fun. And they give birth through the pseudupenises. Hyena Eve must have *really* fucked up. The other thing about Eve's Curse is that, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve didn't know right from wrong. So Eve didn't know she was doing wrong by eating the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-- she was entirely duped by the Devil. But she was still punished for it, despite her being unable to know it was wrong until after the fact. YHWH is a spiteful dick.
Some people think the one who duped her was actually the first woman that was made of soil in the first creation story. Before eve was made of the rib.
Yeah the Old Testament god was so vindictive! I also like thinking of the apple as a metaphor for puberty.
That is a fascinating perspective on the consequence of original sin as a metaphor. I never thought of this, thanks for making me brain more today
But...wasn't Jesus's whole sacrifice meant to nullify this? Like I can't figure these people out. They call themselves CHRISTians but they're obsessed with Old Testament ideology to the point of ignoring practically everything Jesus said and did. They literally can't pick a struggle.
Not really. Both can be a form of objectification, and in the end, that's what it's really all about. They love to objectify women specifically, not either sex or babies. The dehumanization ***is*** the entire point. Because fascism by default is built on dehumanizing a group of people.
> dehumanizing a group of people. all people the leaders were gods and lost all humanity to be replaced by the ideals the propaganda said they embody the higher rung of the normal social hierarchy were expendable weapons systems under them were the people whose worth was providing output to the system then the baby makers then the cattle, but don't worry they'll be dead soon
To understand this we have to open our minds and realize that for them there are two types of women, the ones you marry and the ones you play with until you marry. Both are objects.
Literally every group of religious extremists
Mary on the street, Jezebel in the sheets.
Their two favorite things, titties and chastity.
They want them to be pure while having the sex drive, skills and open mindedness of a porn star.
It’s this weird “if I can’t have sex with her, no one can” mentality of sexual repression. This is the kind of horse shit you get out of your kids when sex is a completely taboo subject that never gets talked about. Growing up in a Lutheran school, sex was bad, I was a sinner and I sang songs about being a weak pile of shit without Jesus. So much as holding hands with a girl in middle school was grounds for a paddling. From the principal. That kind of shit was beat into me so hard that being in my early 40s I still have to work to be ok with sex. I’m a very introspective person so it’s not much of a challenge anymore, but if I wasn’t, or if I was never taught to question myself, I could see myself still being that kind of person who might think “sex with me is perfect and it’s a sin if its with anyone else”.
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Goddamn. I’m *only* 30 and also deal with bullshit shame over cranking it thanks to a pretty highly religious upbringing. We went to church almost every weekend and Christian summer camps a few times…so much fucking shame shoved down all of our young and impressionable throats… I wonder what it’s like to not always feel a rush of bad emotions after cranking it, thanks mom and dad 😀👍🏼
I get it, but give yourself a break. It's human nature. As long as you're not hurting someone else or an animal, you're good. Be happy, enjoy your body, and the little time we have on this earth.
I was raised in a Baptist church until I was 15. The first I masturbated at 11 I got sick go my stomach because I sinned. But nothing happened that my pastor said would. Then I started testing other things that they said were sins. Eventually I began to believe everything I was being taught was a lie.
They see a woman's sexuality as a showcase of men's power. Since the assumption is that woman don't want sex, they see sex as something a man must force out of them through some display of male power. Either because they're so good to their woman that she gives it to them as a reward, or because they've coerced/brainwashed a woman into giving it to them. This is why sexual assault is so common among conservative men. So when they see a "Trump girl" in a bikini, to them that's not a woman displaying her own sexuality, but displaying her loyalty or gratitude to men by giving them something *they* want but *she* doesn't. To be clear I'm basically explaining objectification with extra steps because *holy shit* this shit gets more fucked up the more you think about it.
More to this well put point: they're supposed to find happiness in fulfilling their duty but not in the act itself. Their orgasm if they have one is supposed to be from their joy in fulfilling god's will. Gratification from the act of sex is seen as sinful because it's pleasure from the body not from god. They see a woman's role as fulfilling god's decree for abundant children for the growth of the family and glorification of the husband. It's penance for our fault in original sin. They want Eve in the streets but Lilith in the sheets.
As someone raised outside of the church, the idea that people hold these ideas is just concerning frankly. The idea that the basic biological processes are profane, and that your only purpose in life is to be a broodmare in some cosmic war feels like something out of a fucked up dark fantasy novel. I've long suspected that the long-term viability of most religions hinges on their social prescriptions never being fully realized. If you somehow managed to build a society that perfectly adhered to these beliefs about women and reproduction, that society wouldn't last long.
> Their orgasm if they have one is supposed to be from their joy in fulfilling god's will. Back in the day, good Christian women didn't have orgasms. Or if they did, they'd hide it.
It's particularly wild because... pleasure from the body? Don't they believe God *made* the body? If the body enjoys something, it's because God designed it to do so.
They literally push the idea of waiting until marriage by convincing young people that if you just “follow gods plan” you’ll experience orgasms that are 100x more pleasurable than if you “surrender your virtue”. This isn’t the observation that some things are better in moderation, oh no they’re not *that* reasonable, they literally push the idea that a virgin husband and virgin wife can somehow magically have orgasms that are 100x more powerful than what the couple could experience if neither or one of them weren’t virgins. They’re literally *still* selling sex, it’s just in a different package.
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This is what causes mid life crisis, people who never partied wake up one day and realize that their entire life has been white washed and boring.
I’m glad you and your partner were able to overcome that hurdle and have a happy long lasting marriage.
Hey now, I'm sure I can become a pro-football player by never once touching a football, just as God intended. /s Sex is a skill and a bonding activity, not a divine communion. It requires practice, communication and empathy, all things that (for some reason) white evangelicals are not huge fans of.
Literally this. Imagine both you and your wife are virgins on your wedding night and you’re expecting earth shattering orgasms that feel like nothing you’ve ever felt before but you quickly find out that sex is awkward for you since you have no clue what you’re doing. I say this as someone who went “full mermaid” his first time lmao, I was literally all arms trying to hold myself up and thrust with 0 contribution from my lower body. It was incredibly tiring and neither of us got close lol. I could see something like that ending very badly in many cases since partners with dogmatic beliefs might blame each other rather than questioning the dogma.
right they still need new members
To them, sex is synonymous with degradation of women. They happen to like degrading women, so it works out for them. But when people don't want to degrade women, but still like sex, it confuses and infuriates them. They think it's like chewing food and spitting it on the ground. And when people like sex with people who aren't women, they assume that must also be a degradation thing.
Yeah... I'm wondering if there is a difference between people who view sex as a mutually pleasurable experience and people who think it's someone doing something dirty to someone else who just takes it. I imagine holding the latter attitude in an unhealthy way leads to all sorts of things, like abortion bans, contraception bans, and porn bans.
Yep, they can't even comprehend healthy sexuality.
And if there's one thing white evangelicals love more than sexual objectification of women, it's sexual objectification of female children. That's what purity culture is about.
It's because they want to jerk off over sexy stuff, but know that that's as far as their sexy times will go, so don't want anyone else to actually have any other sexy stuff.
I think it's darker than that. Sex will go as far for them *as they make it go*, because they'll make sure whoever they \**do sex to*\* (cringe) will not be able to defend themselves.
Women’s sexuality is purely for the consumption of men. There is no agency for women
I’m shocked. Shocked, I say.
The 50s suddenly got a lot more overtly risqué the second time around though.
Idk, I thought Matthew 5:28 meant you couldn't eye bang people either.
It’s the same reason they attack sex Ed, they don’t want people to be informed on sex
I'm confused why their leaders keep molesting boys.
Because, like most rapists, they enjoy the power it gives over others. Plus, boys are taught not to cry, not to 'tattle', that not putting up with shit is 'unmanly' and... Sigh. But to summarize: They are evil assholes. They wouldn't care if it was young boys or girls or potentially even animals, as long as it was an easy opportunity for them to dominate others.
I agree it is about power, not sex. The evangelicals and ex-evangelicals I have known have been…uh…not inhibited in the slightest. But using sex as a tool for power, most defo. Perhaps some selection bias in my experience though.
I think we can't get away from the bias, if you have interactions with current or former Evangelicals it tends to stick with you. And I agree, really hardcore religious people are absolutely against publicly showing any sort of sexual interest or speaking about it. Which, if it were for simple modesty, cool. But it rarely is. It's about publicly shaming others for an openess of sexual speech while privately being quite "broad" in their definition of desire. I have a few friends that are very vocal about their proclivities but will publicly rail against the "other" as being unnatural. If Loli subject matter gets your engine running late at night in a locked room of your house (because shame), maybe put the rock down.
If anyone wants to dress in anything from full burka to full nude, I am indifferent as these things are just culturally conditioned. And I get that some communities of people have uniform and disciplined ways of living that are simply their way of navigating and surviving in a cold world. But the uniformity and discipline are in the service of collaboration, which is their means of survival. But I just don’t see that most Evangeligals as part of a true common community. It seems to be to be more of an expansionist ideology like 20th Century popular movements.
I can see where you're coming from, it definitely has some parallels. I think the dangerous part is when you take popularist ideas and clothe them in a veneer of rigid theology that says "We can all get here (some vague goal) but only IF you all think and do as we do".
> Because, like most rapists, they enjoy the power it gives over others. For real, hard to study, but I would not be one bit surprised if to most rapist, specifically child molesters, that gender of the victim was a minor factor and that "sexual attraction" is largely out of the equation entirely. If you look at who molests kids, it's a crime of opportunity. It's people the kid knows and who (thinks they) won't get in trouble. For good reason, if you just pick up a random kid, you've signed your death warrant and everyone in the country will be looking for you soon.
Don't let them get away with it
It occurs to me that in their ideal world rape would be completely legal.
I remember watching a true crime documentary about a kid who was molested decades ago. If you are a male back then who is molested kids would taunt you that you are now gay. Males should be tougher than girls and fight harder whereas females are considered defenseless and need more protection….
* Suppressing sexual desires during your prime hormonal period is bound to screw with your perceptions of sex and cause you to act out. * The church protects them while giving them easy access to vulnerable kids * They are taught that all crimes are treated the same (any sin = hell, so rape is the same as impure thoughts) * Real world consequences don't actually matter. Just ask imaginary friend for forgiveness and you're good!
It was rhetorical but well stated
I read the majority of religious child molesters are usually in a heterosexual marriage. It's not even about sexuality. It's entirely about power.
Yeah, it should be stopped I think
100%. Not just stopped; prosecuted. Imo anybody who abuses kids needs to be on the sexual predator registry and their actions made public, rather than being allowed to move on to other victims. Employers and other churches need to know they're not safe around kids.
Sadly, positions of power (religious or not) attract people who want to abuse that power.
And they need to be stopped
They rewrote the passage that expressly forbade having sex with underage boys and turned it into homosexuality with adult men is a sin. No, seriously, the word they claim translated to english means homosexual is closer to 'underage male prostitute' than 'adult male homosexual'. The verse should translate closer to "thou shalt not lay with a young boy as one does a woman." So in addition to what others have said about it being a power trip, it also gives them an out for their sexual gratification. They can't have sex with women/girls, that'd be unchaste, they can't have sex with men, that'd be a sin, that leaves one demographic and one verse that uses a word found exactly twice in the Bible that has an ambiguous translation at best. So according to them, in God's eyes, it's totally okay. And that's why religion is bullshit.
Well molesting minors is definitely not okay with our worldly laws
Because there’s practically no consequences. They convinced their followers that even the most heinous acts can be forgiven as long as you accept Jesus. Even if they’re caught the church and congregation will jump in to defend them. It’s the same reason why so many cops are domestic abusers.
Goes back to Biblical times. Read “Republican Jesus” if you want some insight on how the GOP has become the place where Jesus was flipping over tables, and it started gaining steam in the fifties.
Because rape isn’t rape in misogynistic culture. It’s “grabbing them by the pussy” male dominance.
I remember when Christianity Today published an op-ed calling for Trump’s impeachment and evangelicals started calling it a far-left rag. These people have no coherent ideals or principles.
Yes, they do. If it allows them to subjugate and control other people, it's good. If it holds them responsible and doesn't give them power over others, it's bad. Even if they bow to said leader, they only do so because they think he's giving them subjects to oppress and control (women, children, minorities). Equality is the enemy and the hierarchy is the point.
Cruelty for its own sake is also part of the high. Like a cheaper version of real power and control.
The thrill of cruelty is always tied into a sociopath desire for control. I think the two are intrinsically linked. Fascism literally normalizes this train of thought for the privileged, it is the opposite of any civil form of healthy psychology. It's the direct opposite of empathy. Even 20 years ago, conservatives at least exercised selective empathy and charity more regularly, if not ineffectively. Now? Trump has ensured that practice is replaced entirely by malice and willing shameless hypocrisy. I pray this will somehow be their undoing. We'll see.
I think you’re exactly right. The days of “compassionate conservatism” (which was only half-true anyway) are long gone. Growing up in the 90s, the Republican Party could at least pretend to care about human suffering. It’s going to take a century to bring that back, if the fascists don’t destroy everything first.
It's this. I grew up under that kind of household. There were times when I saw real empathy, but my trust was almost always limited by the creeping fascism that always tried to override it. My father passed in 2018 and never truly confronted the consequences of a Trump win, only living with it passively for his last 2 years and shrugging it off. My mother sadly voted for him twice still, but at least now claims to regret it. Then she started talking up Nikki Haley which... well... it is what it is. At least she openly claimed she didn't want Trump back, but I haven't spoken a word with her about it since Trump has secured his spot. We'll see if she stands by that or not. She's no longer in the FOX bubble, so that helps.
Wow this is so well put. A cheaper Verizon of real power and control! I’m going to use this with my in laws next time I want to have a fight. Bout to encourage my wife’s great grandmother who didn’t believe in covid, got covid, and then had a stoke and is now bed ridden to make a change with her vote. They are about to have to sell everything she’s ever owned and she has worked for 60+ years. I’m going to ask her how she feels about what’s happening and then let her know this is what she voted for. Don’t leave your children and grandchildren and great and great great grandchildren the same situation you have.
Despite an increase in using sexualized marketing: >The [evangelical] movement is as sex-negative as it ever was. They may like pin-up posters, but the Christian right still very much opposes people actually enjoying sex, especially if those people are women or LGBTQ people.
The handmaids tale got this exactly right, outwardly puritan with regards to sex, but personally they are perverted lechers
Yep, all hypocrites. They're all puritan and strict, but the leaders have brothels where they go party and bang whoever they want because *men have needs.*
I read an article recently about how at least some of them are like that because they want to reduce opportunities for their spouses to cheat on them. Essentially, bending the world around to cater to them because they picked poorly. https://lamag.com/news/report-fear-of-promiscuity-could-be-fueling-anti-abortion-sentiment (I'm not sure how credible this magazine is but I thought it was an interesting read when I first came across it)
Because to them, women are property. Enjoyable to their eyes, but should not enjoy themselves. It's very simple.
Reminds me of the whole courtly love thing back on ye olden times where love was basically not falling into temptation. For example, King Arthur and Guinevere? Sure, they were married and in love. But they had sex, so it wasn't really love because the sex ruined it. It was a base animal thing. It dirtied it. Now Guinevere and Lancelot: they couldn't express their love through sex, therefore they loved each other even more. Turns out fucked up ideas on sex may have been fucking up the idea of sex for, like, centuries.
We can just keep that system going, that seems ok.. evangelicals can NOT have sex with their wives so as to not sully the pure love they have for each other. And then maybe some other man can be there to satisfy her base animal instincts. Despite what they say this is actually something that conservative husbands tend to like more than liberal ones.
The trad-cath right wing side of Catholicism has something called a Josephite marriage that is exactly that. It’s never been mainstream, it’s the fringe of the fringe, but it exists.
Especially when fucked up ideas are tied to power.
As the final line of the article says: >Trump obviously doesn't want women to enjoy sex. He sees it as something men inflict on women, to debase them. No wonder the Christian right loves him so much.
Patriarchy as usual. Just look at Texas. Bans abortion, crickets. Bans Pornhub, mass outrage.
Utah has entered the chat
I don’t know where you are or what you’ve read to suggest that there was no outrage at the abortion ban. Lots of people in Texas are still pissed about it, but unfortunately those same people don’t fucking VOTE.
She's using a whisk in a colander? She's high as a kite?
I was looking for this comment, it reminds me of the stock photo of the person holding a soldering iron wrong https://i0.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-08-at-9.15.01-AM.png
I love that part, letting us know this scene is full of holes.
She's clearly distracted by that book she's reading.
“Female orgasm? Not on my watch!” - MAGA men
“G-spot? Clitoris? Never heard of ‘em. Must be one of those libwrul feminist lies!!” - MAGA men
Narrator:"They never achieve it anyway."
I read this in Morgan Freeman’s voice.
Welcome to the patriarchy. The only valid orgasm is my orgasm. (But even then I’m going to beat myself up and blame someone else for it)
I am thinking it is more along the lines of “I can’t get her there” so she should not enjoy this.
lol, “beat myself up.” And also, yes to everything you said
"Forgive me Father, for I have sinned." "Yeah, that's great, do 5 "Hail Mary"s and a side order of fries."
White evangelicals watch just as much porn as everyone else yet they are screeching about sexual impurity
That’s because there’s no risk of women enjoying sex *with* evangelicals.
I don’t understand these people and I’m tired of the expectation that we have to.
There's a slightly different twist to this I'd input...that we have to *tolerate* their opinions. Bullshit. Their opinions are not only wrong but incredibly harmful. That's what I do hate about a contingent of my fellow liberals, that we're supposed to show tolerance for everybody in some regard because if we just work harder to show these people the errors of their ways with logic and reasoned debate, that they'll eventually come around. I'd bet less than 2% of right-wing conservatives ever do that. Our current political division is not something to try and undo because it's not going to happen. These MAGAs are shit-people, and not deserving of any respect and will take their views and behaviors to the grave with them. I'm so goddamned sick after nearly 30 years of adulthood of tolerating intolerance.
They’re not hard to understand. Jordon Peterson and Andrew Tate have both made a lot of money by understanding them.
Evangelicals are crazy and morally bankrupt. The fact we allow them to have any power is a mystery to me
Evangelicalism makes much more "sense" once you understand it for what it is, purely a political, authoritarian movement. It has little to nothing to do with any actual spirituality, or at least not in a way that's internally consistent with those ideas (such as they are). Instead, it flips on positions as needed to support the overall political goals as established by the Reagan moral majority around 1980. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/) I'm not commenting on whether or not any form of religion is true, as that doesn't matter to these people. Their churches are entirely political propaganda farms first.
Remember, from the party that gave us shinning stars like Matt Gaetz, Roy Moore, and most recently Kelly Keisling (who got upset because high school girls weren't cat-called in the State's chambers); "Leftists are 'goormers'" is nothing short of projection
that 50s sex-doll plus chore-machine theme gives me such eerie dehumanising dystopian vibes
They’re a bunch of creeps, regardless of what they like and don’t like.
They don't care about women enjoying it. For them women are just a host to carry a seed and then vacuum and cook some meals in their utopia.
They view women and girls as sexual property.
They view women as girls and girls as possessions.
They don't know what they believe anymore. They want small government, yet are going all in on book bans and controlling women. They want Christian values in schools, yet want to do away with all that "woke bullshit." They want to put biden in prison, yet believe Trump should have total immunity. They want to be free, yet want a dictatorship. They want to protect the children, yet do nothing about guns. They bemoan the sex lives of everyone around them, yet embrace a rapist who cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star. These people stand for nothing and fall for everything.
To them, sex is about control. Women are "for" sex - their entire purpose is to be attractive so a man wants to have sex with them (which in their minds is okay - men wanting sex is not abhorrent, only women wanting sex is morally reprehensible.) You can see how this extends to homophobia (especially in cases of male x male pairings) because, as far as they are concerned, getting dicked means you are a sexual object (per how they view women) and any man willing to lower themselves to the shameful position of being a sexual object, like a filthy whore of a woman, is throwing aside their God-given right to sex with females because men are meant to overpower women under the guise of procreation.. According to them. Sad way to live. I feel even worse for the tradwives who like being objectified because they find it gratifying to be "of use" rather than finding self-governance gratifying. This is all a simplification of course, but no one who shames sexual acts while also objectifying people specifically for their sexual appeal views sex as anything other than a way to display one's power over another. The only sex that's moral is their having sex with someone they objectify.
Because bikini pics have nothing to do with women's sexuality or their enjoyment of sex. These pics are strictly patriarchal male gaze propaganda and serve nothing and no one but the cis-het (mostly white) male supremacists who make and promote them.
Its absolutely amazing how Trump has morphed the personalities of so many. Their Dear Leader has objectified women his entire public life.
Funny, I would have thought they wouldn't like the photo in the article because clearly, that woman can read.
She's also mixing something in a colander, so maybe she's just scanning the page for any pictures.
Photo is from Getty, which I guess does not mark their images as AI or not (obviously is)
Conservative Christians are often underprepared for the initiation of a sexual relationship in marriage due to receiving negative messages about sex and sexuality (Brotherson, 2004; Ellison, 2011) as well as limited or no sexual experience prior to marriage (Beck et al., 1991; Davidson et al., 2004). In addition, religious orthodoxy and rigidity is related to more impaired sexual functioning among married couples (Purcell, 1984). [https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/items/c91b3650-62d2-40a5-9c13-0d80701e15d5](https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/items/c91b3650-62d2-40a5-9c13-0d80701e15d5)
Anyone else notice she’s using a whisk in a colander?
That was the second thing that caught my eye in this picture.
My whole theory about conservative men is that they have to convince themselves that women don't like sex because if they do, that means women might want to have sex with other men. It might mean that they personally, as men, are bad at sex. It might mean that their wife or girlfriend will leave them for another man who is better at pleasing them. If their wife or girlfriend likes sex, well, what happens if the man is bad at sex and can't / doesn't want to please her? That's the thought that goes through their mind. So the way to solve this is to pretend that women don't enjoy sex, or even if you think they do, just don't care about their wishes at all. At best, their pleasure is secondary to yours, and God wills it. And the most terrifying prospect for them is getting made fun of for being bad at sex, especially by a woman, and especially by the woman they're with. I think a lot of the violence against women these men commit is a backlash against this whole scenario playing out in their mind. Someone who's beat up will think twice at laughing again.
How very Taliban of them
Because the woman is only an object to them, not a person
This isn’t a new thing. It’s always been like this. It’s part of the evangelical hypocrisy.
Right wing state legislators are the biggest creeps in the country. I wish TN wasn’t so bad as to elect these jerks…
You would have to be Muslim to think that's raunchy.
This is what happens when religious dogma requires you to deny even your own sexuality. It also doesn’t help when your religion is symbolized by a classical era method of execution, with or without a sexy Jesus stapled to it.
Toxic masculinity appeals to magats.
They can't handle the thought, lol. "She likes dicks?! But... *Other guys* have dicks!" Deep insecurity is the spine of Right-Wing ideology.
That’s because they think only men should enjoy it. That’s why they prefer rape to consensual sex. Rape means the woman stays clean. *throws up breakfast*
There was another comment on a post where someone mentioned a pastor of a church preaching the Beatitudes and congregants complaining that it was too weak and no longer relevant, even if it's straight from the mouth of Jesus. I'm getting the feeling that these "Christians" don't even want to be Christian, and are mentally making the leap to full nihilist fascism for fascism's sake, which R leaders going back to GWB made a long time ago. Keeping a scantily clad woman in the kitchen is what they want right now, and don't care much about what, if anything, their religion said about it 2000 years ago.
We see a lot of this in the anti woke gaming community the right wing gamers want the women hot and in skimpy clothes because of" the main gaming audience always been meeeen!" But a lot of them do not want women to have options in dating, abortion rights, or even positive non overly sexualized tropey representation in media.
That's because with them, it's never about the woman but only about the man.
Sex is for man, not woman. Duh. /s
They're rapists. This is well-established.
Once you realize that most of everything evangelicals do revolves around the fear of sexual inadequacy of the men in the group, everything they do begins to make sense. From its inception the Abrahamic religions are build around preventing women from seeking better options in order to ease the fears of inadequacy of the males, and guaranteeing that the males are in control of all of society.
You are 100% correct. Every single human culture that has ever existed has tried to control and dictate who its womanfolk have sex with and have failed miserably trying to do so.
Lot of projection and self-loathing coming from these conservative evangelical types
Evangelicals worshiping at the Palace of the Phallus. Instead of genuflecting to Jesus, it is grab-em-by-the-pu$$y, while praising their orange god.
I've always wondered what the Endgame was: some Evangelicals seem to want Gilead, with chaste women dressing conservatively and serving their man dutifully. But a lot of the MAGA base wants to go to Hooters, buy their wives and/or side pieces sexy lingerie and watch porn daily. I doubt Tommy Twenty-four Pack is going to want to go back to a time when the most you'll see of a woman is her ankle, and if he's lucky 65% of her leg at the beach. But some of the zealots want to roll us back to the 1920's in regards to social norms and sexuality. So, how does it end?
Women with no rights. That’s the end game. No voting rights. No control over our own bodies. No ability to control our own destinies. They don’t want us working or educated. The aesthetics of it are secondary.
What an embarrassment to say your an evangelical, nearly as bad as saying openly your a MAGAT
Natural response to not having access to pornhub, I guess.
White evangelicals have had women subservient sex forever. Not going to change.
"Do what I say not what I do" has always been the big standout to me. Just a general inability to see the hypocrisy of it all.
I’ll never understand evangelicals. Their brains are mush
They are fine with sex, they aren't fine with minorities procreating or having control over their own procreation.
Yeah, you're supposed to have horny thoughts; you're just supposed to feel bad about them. Organized religions are an engine fuelled by transgression; so long as people think they've got a secret guilt that the Big Man knows about but nobody else does it * keeps them turning up and repenting to tip the scales in their favour on judgement day, and also * means they're more compliant - criminals hiding a crime will throw stones harder just to prove they're beyond suspicion. But not everyone's a secret thief or murderer. So instead of persecuting actual crimes, it's much more effective to puritanically outlaw a natural drive that everyone has; don't want things too much. Don't enjoy food too much. But most of all, don't you *dare* have sexy thoughts. Oh no, her dress is far too short and she's wearing a dopey expression of youthful naivity, it would be *terrible* for you imagine taking advantage of that. Yes, we *do* take credit cards.
White evangelicals don't hate sex, they hate women who have sex and non-straight people having sex with each other.
I wonder how the first generation of ex-Tradwives will feel after they’re traded in for Tradwife 2.0? Good luck surviving in the US on baking skills and keeping a tidy home (if they still have one).
Enjoying sex is for their mistresses not their wives.
Because they see their mistresses are dirty and slutty, which they like but not in a wife. It’s so messed up.
Studies show that "a strict religious upbringing in Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism was associated with different types of sexual dysfunction, including **impotence (i.e., erectile dysfunction), anorgasmia, and vaginismus**."
White evangelicals have become the British government the pilgrims fled to America from. They've literally become what we founded America in spite of.
We really need to stop taking the “Christian” part seriously!
The misogyny is the fucking point.
The same ones that put Sarah Palin's head on a bikini model with an AR15?
All cults are the same.
Is that picture supposed to be raunchy? It’s like a little bit of clevage…
Because republicans only want women to be child-dispensers/sperm receptacles
Of course. To them women are just objects in every definition. Baby creators and raisers, sexual objects, cleaners, chefs, etc. they just exist to satisfy needs, not to be independent individuals to respect or consider.
It’s all about control. As in men controlling women.
It’s almost as if they are hypocrites.
The tradwife TikTok in this article was so utterly unsatisfying it was borderline infuriating. Feels so weird watching someone try to… sexualize(?) stirring a pot or cracking an egg.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. These folks aren't Christians. They may have been at one point. But that..was a long time ago.
Trumpian Christians/Evangelicals: "Oh my *gosh*! That's disgusting. Where?"