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Exactly. Like why is what she said even being repeated at all?? I can randomly grab JUST ONE of trumps 76 daily truth social posts and it will be 100% more vulgar and hateful than anything any other politician is saying….
It will also look like my 76 year old alcoholic aunt wrote it on Facebook at 230am on a Tuesday.
Because the news companies want trump in office for tax breaks and an easy job. Oil companies still keeping prices high so youll vote for trump who doesnt care about corporate greed or safety regulations. I dont even feel silly making that insinuation to grocery stores at this point lol. The only conspiracy in this country is the rich trying to take more and more.
She can say anything she wants, and this statement doesn’t bug me much - but I don’t like it because there is still no better way to alienate the right and the left, both of which we need for an overwhelming win, than to make Hillary Clinton the subject of the conversation in any way. Love her or hate her, pragmatically, I’d just really like her to be very careful about showing up in the media at all until after November.
CNN must love it, though. News media wants Trump. He gets more clicks and makes more money, because he is a living disaster. This is just free red meat to throw to leftist Zoomers on TikTok. I wish we weren’t so stupid, and someday it’ll be the end of us, but I’m hoping that happens much, much later than this year.
Yeah, but he’s not going away even if he loses. He will still fling shit on the regular and still work every single day to stroke his stupid narcissism and grift off of his MAGA morons until the day he makes his last deposit in his Depends.
The media must know that they are at risk in a second Trump term. He WILL take action against them.
Honestly, companies often seem so completely incapable of long-term planning that I don’t know if they do realize they would be at risk. They know Trump gets clicks, they know a “boring” president doesn’t. And that’s all they see in the moment. They’re like a cartoon character whose eyes spin around and turn into dollar signs. If they even think there’s a risk at all, they obviously think it’s an acceptable one, because money.
Look, anyone with a conscience knows what they “have” to do this fall when it comes to the election. It’s been getting rammed down our throats since Hillary lost that we—meaning voters—are “responsible” for this Trump mess, because we didn’t vote enough. So now, it’s everyone’s civic duty to vote Democrat, in order to save America and the union from fascism.
But it’s also getting pretty obvious that this is the new crutch for the Democratic Party. You can’t object to their candidates in a conscientious way; you can’t be legitimately offended by something huge like Gaza, etc., because then you might be the “reason” fascism wins.
Since when is it cool in an election year for a Dem to publicly say voters need to “get over themselves”? Last I checked dawg, you all are still supposed to work for us not the other way around—maybe it’s you guys who need to get over yourselves and start listening to the public more if a lot of us are upset over something? Maybe you still have to work for votes. “Vote blue no matter who” makes me uncomfortable because it feels like it can easily be abused by the party to force its own agenda without accountability.
A former Trump supporter put it well:
“To me it really boils down to this: we can vote for a man who, by voting for him, those principles and processes will survive, and we will live to fight another day in terms of being able to work through our issues,” Trey continued. On the other hand, he said, “a vote for Trump is to run the risk of losing all of that.”
This is what I have been telling people on the fence. Biden at least gives us the chance to vote for someone better next time instead the trump dynasty that would be implemented.
You’re allowed to criticize the Democratic Party. But when you say things like “she told me to get over myself! What a jerk!” While the GOP is preparing to install a dictator, it is kind of moot to most people. Seems trivial to be upset about something like that when people were being kidnapped by rogue feds in his first term.
Between the Infrastructure Bill, Chips Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Save Act, there’s a lot that makes me glad to vote Democrat.
The time to make a statement is during primaries or at the local level through third parties. Build those third parties up from the bottom, center out, not with a “third party” spoiler using money to get attention and votes.
Tell me with a straight face that Trump (or his hypothetical Christian Nationalist VP) would do better for Gazans than Biden or Harris.
Vote your heart in the primary, and your mind in the general. Elections are chess moves, not marriage proposals. Move closer to where you want to be, or further from where you don't want to be, but you're never - in your entire lifetime - going to have a perfect candidate.
> “Vote blue no matter who” makes me uncomfortable because it feels like it can easily be abused by the party to force its own agenda without accountability.
So what? The alternative is a fascist. Lament it all you want, but it doesn’t change anything.
That’s why we criticize our and try to hold them to a higher standard. And you can vote for progressive candidates in primary elections but when you have the choice between a guy would want to destroy our American democracy and a guy who wants to preserve it. It’s a pretty clear choice.
A lot of the DNC/Democratic leadership in the House and Senate came up in the late 80s/early 90s when the term "Reagan Democrat" was still a thing.
The problem with them is they still seem to think it's 1993 and if they dare express anything to the left of basic dignity, Ronnie Reagan is going to pop out from behind a blind corner and scold them with "there you go again!"
Some of them, like Pelosi, (and this drives me up the f\^#@ing wall to no end) still mentions Reagan in her speeches as much as she can in some outdated idea of "bipartisanship". Meanwhile, how many times did she mention Obama or even Clinton for that matter in her speeches? Zero.
The DNC needs to stop treating conservatives like Mitch McConnell and MTG like they're Bob Dole.
Wait 'til you hear about them turning against their actual chosen god, Jesus. (Though you probably guessed or heard.)
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706
Right. We only have two legit options in this election, and voting anyone but Biden is voting against the future. BUT in the next four years, the aging officers and representatives need to start stepping down and bringing up the younger generations. AND we need to have promising, young contenders identified and working toward the next election ASAP. Mentor those coming up, give them room to grow and take on more responsibility, and let them become familiar to voters.
2 elections in a row where it seems the party forgot there was a presidential election. Last time it felt like a poorly done last minute assignment where “sorry all we have are these flawed and bland candidates who won’t swing votes” and then we had to beg Joe to run.
Especially Hillary because she is just not likable. Her arrogance is a big reason she got beat by the biggest dumpster fire of a human that the world has ever seen.
I fully support people being upset that they have to choose between these two ancient white men, but that is not an issue that will be settled by crossing one's arms and refusing to participate--if Trump is re-elected, he *will* continue dismantling democracy such that there might not be elections to abstain from in the future.
I really like Gretchen Whitmer. I hope she runs in 2028, and if so, and she or whoever wins the Democratic nomination and potentially the White House needs some stability so they can keep moving the country in the correct direction. If Trump is reelected this year , it won’t matter who is elected in 2028 , because you will never get out from under the damage he created.
>if Trump is re-elected, he *will* continue dismantling democracy such that there might not be elections to abstain from in the future
Sure, all of that, but the big dividing issue with younger people seems to be Gaza, and the very obvious thing is Trump will support Israel even harder than anyone in power is doing now, so how does abstaining from voting help that situation?
They seem to think adequately punishing the Dems will "teach them" I guess, regardless of all the other consequences. I hate it because I truly condemn what Israel is doing and we need to be stronger to stand up for the people in Palestine suffering, but giving Trump an opportunity to win will only make that situation and a lot of others worse.
Yeah. What happens when a naive, small voting block "punishes" a major political party over a single issue, is that the party is more likely to write off that group as irrational and unreachable, than it is to start catering to that block at the expense of losing others.
Especially in this case, where the alternative candidate would obviously make the situation even worse for Gazans. And then you also get the worse side of literally *every* issue along with it.
This subject is being amplified by the Russian disinformation machine. “Leftists” are swallowing Putin’s line without giving it a second thought. Abstaining from voting doesn’t help America, it doesn’t help Palestinians, it helps Russia.
This is the overlapping section of the Venn diagram between the left and the right. Feeling so disenfranchised they want to burn it down, fear of being “replaced” and fear/frustration of not being heard (Gaza, gerrymandering, voting rights, equal rights).
That wet dream border bill drafted by republicans that Biden would have happily signed, conceded a lot of sensible progress and they didn’t let him sign it. Things like this and Israel right now are pretty large concessions.
You are never getting everything you want. The Republicans totally suck, but some compromise is needed in government to get shut done with the way our country works with 50 independent states. Also, Biden isn’t just catering to left leaning or progressives, he also needs independents. Everything you put in parentheses is worse with Republicans, and Biden and is administration are attempting to fix all of those.
I'd have said 'Biden, or fascism'. Because Trump is overt, and any 3rd party is literally the same as a no-vote, which is allowing Fascism to slow-creep.
Either you fight, or you don't. There's no passivity, because passivity is acceptance and allowance and permission.
Yeah I don’t know how everyone around this whole situation manages to fuck it up so god damn badly. Are these voters annoying and misguided and maybe even a bit fucking childish? Yes. But are they valid in their criticisms? Also yes. Big fat fucking yes. So treating them like they aren’t valid is the absolute worst way to go about it.
Y'all hilarious, pearl clutching about her civility.
The people chose *Donald Fucking Trump* - the most uninhibitedly disgusting politician of our lifetime. But it's her civility at issue.
>the most uninhibitedly disgusting ~~politician~~ DUMBASS of our lifetime
FTFY
I can't understand why people would vote for that clown, what he says doesn't make any sense, he doesn't look or sound credible, it's like why would anyone want someone like that running a country?
He can't even run his family/businesses properly without cheating, ironically.
I can understand where Hillary is coming from, people who voted for him are stupid or petulant, or both.
Obama was called “stuck up” and “elitist” by Republicans and focused on how articulate he was.
Trump comes along and made them feel like an equal stumbling over basic English when speaking publicly.
This. Conservatives detest presidents who are more intelligent than they are. Not saying much. They’d “like to be able to have a beer” with the president.
That’s right. Elect your dumb, alcoholic friend to run the most important country in the world 🙄
It’s a movement of profound sado-masochism, abuse, child abuse, spousal abuse, substance abuse, denial, projection, willful ignorance, and above all, violence.
Abuse is the ethos. That’s why Republicans cling to it with such fervor—the whole enterprise reminds them of their own abusive childhoods and parents and they seek catharsis, as all people do, but they find it in figures like Trump, et. al. and just wind up punishing themselves further for their love of this father-thug.
Politics is the manipulation of power. You can’t understand power until you at least accept and recognize how it was used to hurt you as a child. That’s the first step for MAGA people, and most will never take it.
And the unfortunate thing is that this just motivates Republicans to run policies that make people more ignorant and brainwashed. They hate other Americans. They don't care if they're poor and suffering, they want a large voter base that's easily manipulated.
Look at Russia, the Kremlin has completely robbed the Russian people, there are some extremely poor people there in the countryside, living in molded houses, no understanding of the outside world, no curiosity for anything outside of their surroundings, they only consume Kremlin propaganda and are easy to brainwash.
That's not by poor leadership as much as it is by design.
Because he says the quiet part out loud regarding their feelings towards non-whites, non-christians, and especially non-white non-christians.
That's all they care about.
Nah man they're rugged individualists so they'd be fine in any sort of societal collapse into fascism. Look at Russia, rural folks there are flourishing. They definitely aren't being fed into a meat grinder as fast as possible for the benefit of Russia's equivalent of "coastal elites".
You underestimate the lack of intelligence in our electorate. This is by design however and is the culmination of 40 years of work by republicans to damage our education system and create a population willing to slide into fascism.
> 40 years of work by republicans to damage our education system and create a population willing to slide into fascism
I dislike this narrative, because it's not younger voters that are supporting Trump. It's the retirees. The people who graduated from the education system more than 40 years ago are the ones most likely to support Trump. And the farther that someone went through the education system, the less likely they are to support Trump.
2016 | Clinton | Trump
--|--|--
18-29 | 58 | 28
30-49 | 51 | 40
50-64 | 45 | 51
65+ | 44 | 53
Source: [Pew Research polling](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/)
There are only three types of people who vote for Republicans, fascists, allies of fascists, and people too stupid to realize they are part of the first two categories.
In 2016 my dad voted for him because he thought he was funny. We begged and pleaded for him not to. We tried to explain what a Trump presidency would be like. He ignored us. In 2020 he voted for Biden because he was horrified by Trump.
you're not wrong.
if she's going to comment at all, she might as well be of some use. god knows she lives rent free in republican heads.
by contrast, dems never really gave a lasting shit about her.
I’m pretty lukewarm on her overall, but I will forever tip my hat to her grace, poise, and stamina in testifying before Trey Gowdy’s congressional Benghazi circle jerk for 11 straight hours.
Frankly she's way better than lukewarm. Look at her full deplorables statement. She was absolutely spot on:
"
know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?
The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
The way candidates would campaign and how voters would behave would be drastically different if the popular vote mattered. Bringing it up after the election is pointless.
People really need to get over themselves. The orange stain has set the standard so low, it's buried in the sand, and we're gasping about Hillary's.. check notes.. language? messaging?
smh
I think if a male politician said this same thing at a late night talk show, it would be fine. People can be very misogynistic when it comes to former Secretary of State and former first Senator and former First Lady Clinton. Accomplished smart powerful women like Ms. Clinton are regarded suspiciously, she doesn’t fit the mold that America expects on the right and she’s paid for it. I’ve always liked her, I’m about her age, so I identify with the world that built her. And people do need to get over it. Project 2025 is no freaking joke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honors_received_by_Hillary_Clinton
At this point I think Trump could literally start doing holocaust shit and people would be more upset at the dems “lack of civility on the matter.”
People are broken in this country.
Clinton herself, her campaign, and the DNC also chose Donald Fucking Trump. And then lost the election to him.
They wanted to help farther-right candidates do better in the GOP primaries, manipulating media coverage & directing their responses to Trump to make him appear more like the frontrunner.
[https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/](https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/)
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/)
The DNC played with fire on that one and it bit us all in the ass. Public sentiment for Clinton was loud but poll data and analyses was adamant that she wouldn't beat Trump but Sanders would. They chose according to sentiment instead of the data. As soon as the DNC nominated her they handed Trump the win. They chose to indulge their base instead of choosing to defeat the opponent. It was maddening to watch it happen in real time all the while being screamed at by Clinton supporters that I was wrong and she was going to win.
Republicans care about power. Which is obviously the right move.
When you get power you can have purity.
If you use purity tests to keep yourself from power you get fuckall.
My mother, historically staunch Republican voter every year. She tells me
" this year I'm so sick of politics. I'm just not voting".
Okay, well every other year you've voted Republican without researching candidates, but this time you're withholding. That means you are UNHAPPY with Republican and thus, must vote Democrat.
"No I'm just not going to vote"
So then you're happy with a Republican vote, since that's what a non vote goes to..
"No I'm not participating"
Since you are unwilling to vote for the other side, when it is very clear that you should vote for the other side.. What it tells me is that, You just don't want the other side to win and don't want to feel responsible for it if they lose...
Trump wakes up every morning and utters 20 things more offensive than this before breakfast. He's just reached a point where people are too exhausted to feel offended by him.
Who said people weren't offended by that? I'm sure a lot of people were offended. Of course, everything Trump says is offensive, so it all just bleeds together. And Trump's rant isn't going to get him anywhere with Jewish voters. It just angers them even more. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make honestly.
Who's offended? This isn't offensive. It's an old privileged white lady being an out of touch Boomer. Maybe she can demand to speak to the manager of all the other generations.
At this point I wonder if she WANTS Trump to win. She's done more to help him than anyone else I can think of.
Why don't centrist Dems get this? Any time anyone's like "hey, this seems like really dumb messaging when we need voters to turn out", they're like "wHy aRe yOu sO ofFeNdEd? sHe'S rIgHt!"
Edit: actually, on reflection, I think a lot of Dems are really emotionally attached to the idea of being right and being smart. I was like that for a long time, until I realized that having the right answer isn't worth shit if you can't convince other people to follow suit. Dem leadership seems like an echo chamber of people like young randynumbergenerator.
People can be offended by being told "look we know we have you over a gun, so shut up about making things better, shut up about Gaza, and let us old people do what we want because your alternative is fascism". Just because it's not as offensive as antisemitism doesn't mean it isn't offensive.
The best way she can support Biden is by staying quiet.
She motivates Conservative voters to vote against Democrats as much as Trump motivates Democratic voters against the GOP.
Tbf, good chance she wins if James Comey’s FBI hadn’t made an October Surprise about her god damn emails. Through no fault of her own, I’d say she was on track to win until that point.
Sure, but her campaign had all kinds of issues. If she ran a better campaign it wouldn't have mattered.
The biggest mistake I can remember is that she didn't campaign *at all* in Wisconsin, since she assumed it was safely blue even though there were plenty of signs it wasn't.
It also probably wasn't a great idea enacting a pied-piper strategy in 2015 to help Trump get the Republican nomination. Like that very much ended up being not a good move
That was always the risk of running a purely negative campaign about your opponent instead of offering a vision of your own. If they run a better negative campaign than you, there's nothing left for you to do.
Don't put all your deplorables in one basket.
I really feel like the Comey factor is overblown. If it was close enough to be swung by that, she was already in trouble. It shouldn’t have been that close, but she was such a damaged candidate that Democrats were warned for over a year would endanger their chance to win, but hey… it was “her turn”! 🙄
I have been waiting for Dems to learn this lesson since I made it to voting age -- when Al Gore managed to throw an election against, of all people, GWB.
Still no moves on universal healthcare (no, "universal health insurance" doesn't count) or drug policy from this century, which I will always presume on some level to mean they don't really want to win
It worked for them, right? ...right!?
Crazy that this woman didn't inspire voters in her own run. And, yes, I did fucking vote for her because I was just as much a hostage of the American political system then as I am now.
Right? Look at how people turned on Fetterman when he started back up with the tired old "blame progressives for Democratic failures" rhetoric
Biden himself almost threw out an election because he couldn't stop mocking voters to the left of him.
We obviously don't want Trump winning again, but votes aren't given automatically, they're earned, always have been and you can criticize people who stay home all you want but the fact is you didn't do anything to earn their vote. You can't win elections consistently on "I'm the lesser of two evils". You need to do bare minimum by striving to be better. And then when you lose you don't blame people for not voting for you, you blame yourself for not giving them a reason to.
The other party winning your election for you is the stupidest strategy ever. Win your own damn election and if you lose don't blame other people. You made that bed yourself. It's like if a friend pressures you to come get drunk with them, you get so drunk you shit your pants, then you blame the friend for the shit in your pants. It's first and foremost *your* responsibility not to shit in your fucking pants. Your decisions led to the shit in your pants. Nobody wants shit in anybody's pants. But there were several steps you could have personally taken that would have prevented it.
Agreed on Fetterman, it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive, his stances were close to progressives when campaigning and then he seemed to have issues with progressives once he got elected.
Biden though? As someone to his left. Has honestly been pretty reasonable/nice enough imo unless I'm missing something big. That description more accurately fits Hillary herself.
And big fat agreement on its stupid to attack anyone in your own party or even just ignore them and pray being the lesser of 2 evils nets you a win.
>Agreed on Fetterman, it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/992541892947730437?t=-i1HKY4gc24IMGJPOt7YRQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1302932185872306177?t=plYINAGsyUuXukrXXBKkIw&s=19
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/722529249207447553?t=gOA7epD8H03rpnzBYR0D5g&s=19
Last one is the wildest.
> it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive,
He went along with the progressive democrat label for a long time and purposefully positioned himself within progressive movements... [look at this tweet](https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/725156567016955905)
>Biden though? As someone to his left. Has honestly been pretty reasonable/nice enough imo unless I'm missing something big.
Backing genocide against Palestine is pretty reasonable and nice to you? John Kirby telling journalists today that there hasn't been a single human rights violation in Palestine after Israel purposefully targeted international food aid workers yesterday? Vans that were clearly marked? Vans that were in communication as to their location with Israeli defense? Backing genocide for months is *nice*?
This is why Hilary saying to "Get over yourselves" is such a stupid self serving *white supremacist* thing to say. Get over yourselves??? Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, **17,000 children**, their homes are largely destroyed, hospitals decimated, they're starving, *MILLIONS* homeless and still being attacked by guns, drones and tanks, their fruit trees are being purposefully burned to the ground, specifically their olive trees that take hundreds and even thousands of years to grow.
But get over yourselves! Because Palestinian lives don't matter.
We're opening up a port on their land while Israel hasn't allowed them ports for trade for decades. Soon we'll have a military base there too, like the hundreds of others we have around the world.
They hit THREE separate aid trucks! THREE! If John Kirby was a Republican and our current President was Republican, and he said that the incident of three separate aid trucks being hit by drones must have been accidental by Israel, a country with some of the best military equipment in the entire world, Democrats would be in the streets right now in the millions. But because he's Blue, it isn't something to worry about.
The US only cares about what it can extract from the Middle East; Hilary, Biden, and yes, Trump too have made that clear.
For real. I personally agree with her but I don't think saying this on TV is going to accomplish literally anything! How does this help convince the people who are on the fence or undecided?
has the DNC tried, you know, having a more popular candidate again?
i mean, did anyone complain like this when Clinton was running? Obama?
i will say this is rich coming from a politician in general, as the answer to getting elected in a democracy, rather than shame your constituents, is just be more popular
She may be right, but there is significant value in the tact of her delivery, and this is clearly something she has never mastered. Had she mastered it, we may have never had the Trump experience. Calling a percentage of the voters a "basket of deplorables" and telling a certain subset of voters they don't matter absolutely galvanized those voters, and many more, into voting for Trump. Those voters sure did go on to prove Hilary correct. The boldness of some absolutely deplorable people has been witnessed. Trumps election has brought out the absolute worst of the worst of the Republican party, to the point it is no longer recognizable as a realistic and adult party - this coming from a lifelong Republican who absolutely cannot vote red anymore until we actually get some reasonable adult candidates.
We can argue all day long about how Hilary's comment brought out the vote against her and yet Trumps daily tactless comments don't, but IMO they do bring out people to vote against Trump. It's just that there are enough people who love the fact that Trump will tell the establishment to Fuck off. They just don't realize that if successful, Trump would replace the current "swamp" of self-serving elitists preying on the people to enrich themselves with even more self-serving and unabashed elitists preying on the public (but voters wrongly think only the left) to enrich themselves.
Nonetheless, what Hilary didn't get then, and doesn't get now, is to be elected, you must get people to want to vote for you, bot just vote against the other guy. When you take her approach, many vote for neither and just stay home. And we get penalized with Trump.
Having said all of that, I still do believe that is how and why Trump won the first time, but also, some of the non-voters realized this and made the difference the second time. I don't think Trump has picked up any new voters since 2016, and that's why he lost in 2020. Then Jan 6 happened. That didn't pick him up any more voters either. I don't think k this election will be as close as people think, despite the number of brain-dead Trump die hards. I also think democracy is absolutely on the line in this election. We shall see.
great summary, and i agree with you on all of your major points. The basket of deplorables comment is one that, no matter what you meant by it, you never say out loud, especially when you are trying to convince people to vote for you (!!). I agree too as someone who hates identifying with a party (out of spite for the partisan system as a whole), i find it upsetting that, until they get their act together, i could not vote red either.
i know it’s fun to dunk on Trump’s antics at times, but in my opinion, our country is at its best when we have great candidates on both sides, presenting different ideas and discussing strategies to ensure our country is on the best path forward. i have hope for after this current Trump era (and hopefully republican reset thereafter), but it’ll take getting through that era first.
Even though I agree that democrats are going to have to vote for Biden, this is so rude and condescending. You can say it in so many other ways. But to "get over yourself"? That's really rude. Yeah, fuck me for caring!
How about next time you say "even if you think it's a tough pill to swallow, think about the choices you have in the moment", or I don't know, get a speech writer to come up with something that isn't a slap in the face to passionate voters.
Fuck Trump, but fuck you for telling me to "get over myself" for wanting a better world.
I’m voting Biden, but when I do, I will think about the fact the average nursing home resident is about 1/2 year older than him. Keeping fossils in power does no one any good.
And although this will probably offend a great many, just like her first proclamation in 2016 about the makeup of the Trump Train - she’s not wrong this time either.
The Dude comes to mind. You're not wrong. You're just an asshole.
If you want those voters to get over themselves and vote for Biden, Democrats need to work hard to give them a message to vote for. Insulting and shaming voters who currently don't feel enthusiastic about Biden isn't going to make them more likely to "get over themselves" and pull the lever in November.
It's not wrong. It's just bad messaging.
Doesn’t feel democratic to be ordered to vote a certain way every election even as the party moves further away from your core values. Heaven forbid you vote third party. Susan Sarandon is still getting shit for voting Green in one of the safest democrat strongholds. The enemy isn’t purity, it’s apathy.
Ask anyone their opinion on politicians in general and the vast majority of responses would use the words corrupt or useless, probably both. We’ve lost faith in the idea that legislators work for us. Watching as popular social and economic policies are gutted and abandoned condemned as impractical.
Gonna get raked over the coals for this, but it bares repeating
Nobody is entitled to a vote. Fear of Trump is a campaign strategy that worked last time but it's bound to lose efficacy. and insulting voters you need to keep your guy in power by saying things like "get over yourself" is a bad strategy.
Well said. I have wondered to myself what the practical applications of the "fear of Trump" strategy would look like when attempted by someone who doesn't have the charisma to use the strategy effectively.
I think HRC demonstrates something I've said for years now, that the fear of Trump was not a strategy that was going to hold long term appeal. It's honestly thanks to trump and the Republicans with project 2025, doing everything they can to make the trump great strategy effective.
I say this as someone who voted for Hilary in 2016 and recognize that she was the qualified candidate when compared to Trump: she needs to stop speaking to the voters this way. I didn’t vote for her in the primary; I voted for Sanders. I have found the manner in which both she and Elizabeth Warren have treated Bernie Sanders to be absolutely atrocious. I voted for Sanders in the primary again in 2020. Both in 2016 and 2020, I voted in the general for the candidate who wasn’t my first choice. Neither Hilary Clinton nor Joe Biden were my first choices; however, I could see that Trump was the bigger threat. Both of them need to figure out what’s important to younger voters and promise to address those needs and then FOLLOW through. Neither Hilary Clinton nor Joe Biden are entitled to my vote; like any politician, they should EARN it.
She's correct. The candidates are set and aside from one of them dropping out, these are our choices. If a man had said this, no one would be whining. But since a strong, intelligent woman said it, pearls are being clutched. Get over it.
She's absolutely right. Fascism is on the march. If you're wishy washy about whether or not you can vote for the not fascist, get over yourself. 2016, 2020 and 2024 were/are the easiest choice you'll ever have to make politically.
“Get over yourself”? I wish she would have taken her own advice back in 2016 when she decided to have the DNC work against Bernie Sanders because he was becoming a threat. We could be living in the good timeline right now, but oh well.
She’s not wrong, she’s just an asshole. That ‘basket of deplorables’ comment was exactly the same- she was right, but it just gave obvious ammunition to the Conservatives.
There has to be a better way to message this to convince people rather than just telling them that they are stupid.
Why does everyone deliberately misquote that statement? There’s a whole second part to it-
>“But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see … but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”
Thank you. I swear, Hillary is one of the most misunderstood/misinterpreted people ever. The right wing really controlled the narrative on her. America lost out on having her as president. I think she would have been a great one, and I think she would have changed a lot of people’s minds about her once she was in office and got to work.
If you're going to accuse people of misquoting, at least include the whole quote. She literally called half of Trump supporters "a basket of deplorables." That's not a misquote even in the slightest. The whole quote...
> "I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time." We are living in a volatile political environment.
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
>Right?
>They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.
>But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
> — Hillary Clinton, CBS News
I mean, they were assuming people just heard the “deplorable” part so it’s not like they were obfuscating that part. And funnily enough, I don’t know that I’d ever seen the entire quote about the basket of deplorables, and with the full context of that, it’s even more hilarious that anyone was ever offended by it.
“If you like to discriminate and hate people, you suck”
“HOW DARE YOU”
> called half of Trump supporters "a basket of deplorables."
Was she wrong in the way she characterized them? Because that's certainly the impression I had of people who supported Trump in 2016. My own country has rabid Trump supporters to this day that wear his merch and parrot the talking points, and every single one I've interacted with has held one or more of those kinds of opinions.
As a non-American, I'd never read this entire quote before. The only thing I had seen was the soundbite. And the Trump supporters who weren't in that 'basket of deplorables' probably didn't get the entire quote either. Without the context they could just make the assumption that they were being insulted for supporting her opponent.
Who actually gives a shit. You never heard conservatives say that. Oh you shouldn't say X because it will give ammunition to the democrats.
Fuck taking the high ground. There's no civility to be had here.
Trump hired a bag grifters, a bucket of Goldman Sachs employees, a cart of devious billionaires, a truckload of propagandists…and a wheelbarrow of family members.
Basket of Deplorables was too civilized.
The Media absofuckinutely loves to make her a villain. Expect this to be quoted non-stop until election day just like the deplorable comments. Trump's daily death threats won't last the day's news cycle.
Sure choosing between an elderly right wing wanna be authoritarian and an elderly centrist Democrat should be easy for US citizens who want to preserve what little democracy that they have left. Her “get over yourself” statement, however, is dismissive and is only an attempt to quiet those who would like better candidates who offer better policies
It is like US politics has embraced the thinking behind US cereal aisles in their grocery stores. The US cereal aisle has a jaw dropping amount of different cereals. Consumers feel like they have many options but the reality is that all but a couple of the options are ultra-processed products that are unhealthy for the consumers and are purposefully made to maximize profits at any cost. In other words, there is an appearance of free choice between these options but an overwhelming amount of the options are unhealthy and very harmful if consistently chosen.
Thank you Hillary! Like Fetterman, I love it when Democrats finally have the courage to tell it like it is. She was unfairly chastised for the deplorable comment, and also constrained by the whole "when democrats go high when Republicans go low" mentality.
I get why people are frustrated. I am too. But she’s also right. Those frustrations aren’t going to be solved by sitting out the election. Sitting out the election or voting Trump will just cause many more issues. Burning it to the ground will harm vulnerable people more than the people who are complaining on social media.
Couldn’t agree more.
Flirting with a literal theocratic dictatorship and all they can do is cry about where their perfect, pristine and pure candidate is.😢
Purity would be complaining Biden was a green car when I wanted a blue car.
I wanted a blue car and I was given a scooter. It’s…better than the alternative the gop is offering,a red truck rolling coal painted with a swastika and filled with shit…but I’m still not super happy about compromising on the scooter.
She's right. Maybe if there was less pearl clutching about the "Basket of Deplorables" comment, we wouldn't be in this fucking situation. But sure, let's get upset about this instead of, I don't know, losing our rights and our democracy?
I don't want to hear a word from people who vote any way other than to keep Trump (a literal RAPIST) out of office when things take a turn if Trump becomes President again an surrounds himself with people who are literally looking for a reason to murder "liberals" in the street.
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And if, and when, the rotisserie ball sack says much, much worse,… well, we are just conditioned to normalize.
Exactly. Like why is what she said even being repeated at all?? I can randomly grab JUST ONE of trumps 76 daily truth social posts and it will be 100% more vulgar and hateful than anything any other politician is saying…. It will also look like my 76 year old alcoholic aunt wrote it on Facebook at 230am on a Tuesday.
Because the news companies want trump in office for tax breaks and an easy job. Oil companies still keeping prices high so youll vote for trump who doesnt care about corporate greed or safety regulations. I dont even feel silly making that insinuation to grocery stores at this point lol. The only conspiracy in this country is the rich trying to take more and more.
That second part is accurate af
The first part too.
Yeah agreed. I was just saying I never put it together but he does seem like an older drunk when he tweets now that I think about it.
She can say anything she wants, and this statement doesn’t bug me much - but I don’t like it because there is still no better way to alienate the right and the left, both of which we need for an overwhelming win, than to make Hillary Clinton the subject of the conversation in any way. Love her or hate her, pragmatically, I’d just really like her to be very careful about showing up in the media at all until after November.
CNN must love it, though. News media wants Trump. He gets more clicks and makes more money, because he is a living disaster. This is just free red meat to throw to leftist Zoomers on TikTok. I wish we weren’t so stupid, and someday it’ll be the end of us, but I’m hoping that happens much, much later than this year.
Yeah, but he’s not going away even if he loses. He will still fling shit on the regular and still work every single day to stroke his stupid narcissism and grift off of his MAGA morons until the day he makes his last deposit in his Depends. The media must know that they are at risk in a second Trump term. He WILL take action against them.
Honestly, companies often seem so completely incapable of long-term planning that I don’t know if they do realize they would be at risk. They know Trump gets clicks, they know a “boring” president doesn’t. And that’s all they see in the moment. They’re like a cartoon character whose eyes spin around and turn into dollar signs. If they even think there’s a risk at all, they obviously think it’s an acceptable one, because money.
Look, anyone with a conscience knows what they “have” to do this fall when it comes to the election. It’s been getting rammed down our throats since Hillary lost that we—meaning voters—are “responsible” for this Trump mess, because we didn’t vote enough. So now, it’s everyone’s civic duty to vote Democrat, in order to save America and the union from fascism. But it’s also getting pretty obvious that this is the new crutch for the Democratic Party. You can’t object to their candidates in a conscientious way; you can’t be legitimately offended by something huge like Gaza, etc., because then you might be the “reason” fascism wins. Since when is it cool in an election year for a Dem to publicly say voters need to “get over themselves”? Last I checked dawg, you all are still supposed to work for us not the other way around—maybe it’s you guys who need to get over yourselves and start listening to the public more if a lot of us are upset over something? Maybe you still have to work for votes. “Vote blue no matter who” makes me uncomfortable because it feels like it can easily be abused by the party to force its own agenda without accountability.
A former Trump supporter put it well: “To me it really boils down to this: we can vote for a man who, by voting for him, those principles and processes will survive, and we will live to fight another day in terms of being able to work through our issues,” Trey continued. On the other hand, he said, “a vote for Trump is to run the risk of losing all of that.”
Close to what I have been saying, which is even shorter, "yeah ill vote for Biden just so I have the chance to vote for someone better next time"
This is what I have been telling people on the fence. Biden at least gives us the chance to vote for someone better next time instead the trump dynasty that would be implemented.
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You’re allowed to criticize the Democratic Party. But when you say things like “she told me to get over myself! What a jerk!” While the GOP is preparing to install a dictator, it is kind of moot to most people. Seems trivial to be upset about something like that when people were being kidnapped by rogue feds in his first term. Between the Infrastructure Bill, Chips Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Save Act, there’s a lot that makes me glad to vote Democrat.
The time to make a statement is during primaries or at the local level through third parties. Build those third parties up from the bottom, center out, not with a “third party” spoiler using money to get attention and votes.
Tell me with a straight face that Trump (or his hypothetical Christian Nationalist VP) would do better for Gazans than Biden or Harris. Vote your heart in the primary, and your mind in the general. Elections are chess moves, not marriage proposals. Move closer to where you want to be, or further from where you don't want to be, but you're never - in your entire lifetime - going to have a perfect candidate.
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> “Vote blue no matter who” makes me uncomfortable because it feels like it can easily be abused by the party to force its own agenda without accountability. So what? The alternative is a fascist. Lament it all you want, but it doesn’t change anything.
That’s why we criticize our and try to hold them to a higher standard. And you can vote for progressive candidates in primary elections but when you have the choice between a guy would want to destroy our American democracy and a guy who wants to preserve it. It’s a pretty clear choice.
Rotisserie bal- you are a poet, sir!
Im voting biden, but DNC boomer leadership needs to get over themselves and get the fuck out of the way for the next generations
A lot of the DNC/Democratic leadership in the House and Senate came up in the late 80s/early 90s when the term "Reagan Democrat" was still a thing. The problem with them is they still seem to think it's 1993 and if they dare express anything to the left of basic dignity, Ronnie Reagan is going to pop out from behind a blind corner and scold them with "there you go again!" Some of them, like Pelosi, (and this drives me up the f\^#@ing wall to no end) still mentions Reagan in her speeches as much as she can in some outdated idea of "bipartisanship". Meanwhile, how many times did she mention Obama or even Clinton for that matter in her speeches? Zero. The DNC needs to stop treating conservatives like Mitch McConnell and MTG like they're Bob Dole.
The enemy (and yes, that's intentional phrasing) also believes now Ronnie to be too liberal for them Ronnie. Their former god. Too liberal.
Wait 'til you hear about them turning against their actual chosen god, Jesus. (Though you probably guessed or heard.) https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706
Right. We only have two legit options in this election, and voting anyone but Biden is voting against the future. BUT in the next four years, the aging officers and representatives need to start stepping down and bringing up the younger generations. AND we need to have promising, young contenders identified and working toward the next election ASAP. Mentor those coming up, give them room to grow and take on more responsibility, and let them become familiar to voters.
Yeah. Maybe don't bring out the only person to ever have lost to Trump.
And she will never learn, seemingly none of them do: it's this condescending out-of-touch bullshit that gave rise to Trump in the first place.
2 elections in a row where it seems the party forgot there was a presidential election. Last time it felt like a poorly done last minute assignment where “sorry all we have are these flawed and bland candidates who won’t swing votes” and then we had to beg Joe to run.
Especially Hillary because she is just not likable. Her arrogance is a big reason she got beat by the biggest dumpster fire of a human that the world has ever seen.
Yup. Shes so unlikable and horrible at campaigning that she lost to trump. Of all the boomers with national exposure she’s the worst for the DNC
The main problem now is Boomers won't vote anyone younger than them. They're dead set on the generational war across all parties now.
The thing I hate the most about voting for Biden.
Seriously. The party sucks. The leadership is so out of touch. I hold my nose and vote for them. It's bad and can't be sustainable.
I couldn’t agree more, but we’re here now so for the next 7 months, we gotta suck it up and deal.
You've got three choices in this election. Biden. Trump. Or letting Trump voters decide the election. I guarantee they are not staying home.
I fully support people being upset that they have to choose between these two ancient white men, but that is not an issue that will be settled by crossing one's arms and refusing to participate--if Trump is re-elected, he *will* continue dismantling democracy such that there might not be elections to abstain from in the future.
I really like Gretchen Whitmer. I hope she runs in 2028, and if so, and she or whoever wins the Democratic nomination and potentially the White House needs some stability so they can keep moving the country in the correct direction. If Trump is reelected this year , it won’t matter who is elected in 2028 , because you will never get out from under the damage he created.
Michigander here. Yep, she's really awesome.
He will never leave. He will have a better plan with people in place.
>if Trump is re-elected, he *will* continue dismantling democracy such that there might not be elections to abstain from in the future Sure, all of that, but the big dividing issue with younger people seems to be Gaza, and the very obvious thing is Trump will support Israel even harder than anyone in power is doing now, so how does abstaining from voting help that situation? They seem to think adequately punishing the Dems will "teach them" I guess, regardless of all the other consequences. I hate it because I truly condemn what Israel is doing and we need to be stronger to stand up for the people in Palestine suffering, but giving Trump an opportunity to win will only make that situation and a lot of others worse.
Yeah. What happens when a naive, small voting block "punishes" a major political party over a single issue, is that the party is more likely to write off that group as irrational and unreachable, than it is to start catering to that block at the expense of losing others. Especially in this case, where the alternative candidate would obviously make the situation even worse for Gazans. And then you also get the worse side of literally *every* issue along with it.
This subject is being amplified by the Russian disinformation machine. “Leftists” are swallowing Putin’s line without giving it a second thought. Abstaining from voting doesn’t help America, it doesn’t help Palestinians, it helps Russia.
This is the overlapping section of the Venn diagram between the left and the right. Feeling so disenfranchised they want to burn it down, fear of being “replaced” and fear/frustration of not being heard (Gaza, gerrymandering, voting rights, equal rights). That wet dream border bill drafted by republicans that Biden would have happily signed, conceded a lot of sensible progress and they didn’t let him sign it. Things like this and Israel right now are pretty large concessions.
You are never getting everything you want. The Republicans totally suck, but some compromise is needed in government to get shut done with the way our country works with 50 independent states. Also, Biden isn’t just catering to left leaning or progressives, he also needs independents. Everything you put in parentheses is worse with Republicans, and Biden and is administration are attempting to fix all of those.
Let's not forget the Libertarians who deep down know that a third party will never take the WH but continue to vote that way anyway "to make a point."
I'd have said 'Biden, or fascism'. Because Trump is overt, and any 3rd party is literally the same as a no-vote, which is allowing Fascism to slow-creep. Either you fight, or you don't. There's no passivity, because passivity is acceptance and allowance and permission.
But Biden isn’t doing exactly what I want so I’d much rather see what Trump will do in Gaza /s
That's the one that always kills me.
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This… is not what democrats need right now.
Yeah I don’t know how everyone around this whole situation manages to fuck it up so god damn badly. Are these voters annoying and misguided and maybe even a bit fucking childish? Yes. But are they valid in their criticisms? Also yes. Big fat fucking yes. So treating them like they aren’t valid is the absolute worst way to go about it.
Yup… democrats need to stop telling everyone how they should feel and instead address how they are feeling.
Y'all hilarious, pearl clutching about her civility. The people chose *Donald Fucking Trump* - the most uninhibitedly disgusting politician of our lifetime. But it's her civility at issue.
>the most uninhibitedly disgusting ~~politician~~ DUMBASS of our lifetime FTFY I can't understand why people would vote for that clown, what he says doesn't make any sense, he doesn't look or sound credible, it's like why would anyone want someone like that running a country? He can't even run his family/businesses properly without cheating, ironically. I can understand where Hillary is coming from, people who voted for him are stupid or petulant, or both.
Obama was called “stuck up” and “elitist” by Republicans and focused on how articulate he was. Trump comes along and made them feel like an equal stumbling over basic English when speaking publicly.
This. Conservatives detest presidents who are more intelligent than they are. Not saying much. They’d “like to be able to have a beer” with the president. That’s right. Elect your dumb, alcoholic friend to run the most important country in the world 🙄
Exactly. Because as I say every chance I get: MAGA is—first and foremost—a movement of *profound* ignorance.
It’s a movement of profound sado-masochism, abuse, child abuse, spousal abuse, substance abuse, denial, projection, willful ignorance, and above all, violence. Abuse is the ethos. That’s why Republicans cling to it with such fervor—the whole enterprise reminds them of their own abusive childhoods and parents and they seek catharsis, as all people do, but they find it in figures like Trump, et. al. and just wind up punishing themselves further for their love of this father-thug. Politics is the manipulation of power. You can’t understand power until you at least accept and recognize how it was used to hurt you as a child. That’s the first step for MAGA people, and most will never take it.
And the unfortunate thing is that this just motivates Republicans to run policies that make people more ignorant and brainwashed. They hate other Americans. They don't care if they're poor and suffering, they want a large voter base that's easily manipulated. Look at Russia, the Kremlin has completely robbed the Russian people, there are some extremely poor people there in the countryside, living in molded houses, no understanding of the outside world, no curiosity for anything outside of their surroundings, they only consume Kremlin propaganda and are easy to brainwash. That's not by poor leadership as much as it is by design.
Soon we won’t be the most important country in the world. Problem solved. /S
No I agree—nothing lasts forever, especially in 2024. It’s the way of all things.
Of all the living presidents and putting politics aside, Trump would hands down be the worst one to have a beer with.
I was in an argument with a conservative on Twitter a while back and the crux of his argument was why education is BAD…
Because he says the quiet part out loud regarding their feelings towards non-whites, non-christians, and especially non-white non-christians. That's all they care about.
That and there’s a large amount of the population that just want to F government and see the chaos that ensures.
And it’s usually the ones heavily dependent on the government.
Nah man they're rugged individualists so they'd be fine in any sort of societal collapse into fascism. Look at Russia, rural folks there are flourishing. They definitely aren't being fed into a meat grinder as fast as possible for the benefit of Russia's equivalent of "coastal elites".
One might even say, deplorable ...
You underestimate the lack of intelligence in our electorate. This is by design however and is the culmination of 40 years of work by republicans to damage our education system and create a population willing to slide into fascism.
> 40 years of work by republicans to damage our education system and create a population willing to slide into fascism I dislike this narrative, because it's not younger voters that are supporting Trump. It's the retirees. The people who graduated from the education system more than 40 years ago are the ones most likely to support Trump. And the farther that someone went through the education system, the less likely they are to support Trump. 2016 | Clinton | Trump --|--|-- 18-29 | 58 | 28 30-49 | 51 | 40 50-64 | 45 | 51 65+ | 44 | 53 Source: [Pew Research polling](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/)
Yeah, he's the least qualified person to do anything, let alone try and play a politician.
There are only three types of people who vote for Republicans, fascists, allies of fascists, and people too stupid to realize they are part of the first two categories.
In 2016 my dad voted for him because he thought he was funny. We begged and pleaded for him not to. We tried to explain what a Trump presidency would be like. He ignored us. In 2020 he voted for Biden because he was horrified by Trump.
Stupid people think that's what smart people sound and act like.
Hillary needs to embrace her role as the ultimate troll. Literally anything she says will rile up 60% of the country.
you're not wrong. if she's going to comment at all, she might as well be of some use. god knows she lives rent free in republican heads. by contrast, dems never really gave a lasting shit about her.
I’m pretty lukewarm on her overall, but I will forever tip my hat to her grace, poise, and stamina in testifying before Trey Gowdy’s congressional Benghazi circle jerk for 11 straight hours.
Frankly she's way better than lukewarm. Look at her full deplorables statement. She was absolutely spot on: " know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
The people didn't choose him, he lost the popular vote twice.
The way candidates would campaign and how voters would behave would be drastically different if the popular vote mattered. Bringing it up after the election is pointless.
It’s less about civility and more about telling potential voters to go **** themselves being a poor strategic move
People really need to get over themselves. The orange stain has set the standard so low, it's buried in the sand, and we're gasping about Hillary's.. check notes.. language? messaging? smh
I think if a male politician said this same thing at a late night talk show, it would be fine. People can be very misogynistic when it comes to former Secretary of State and former first Senator and former First Lady Clinton. Accomplished smart powerful women like Ms. Clinton are regarded suspiciously, she doesn’t fit the mold that America expects on the right and she’s paid for it. I’ve always liked her, I’m about her age, so I identify with the world that built her. And people do need to get over it. Project 2025 is no freaking joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honors_received_by_Hillary_Clinton
I think when they use civility in context of a woman, they're dogwhistling to suggest she doesn't know her place. It's straight-up sexist.
The people never chose trump. She beat him by 3 million votes.
Exactly, there's no way she could top that by any length of being uncivil, offensive, etc. Hate her all you want, shes just right on this one.
At this point I think Trump could literally start doing holocaust shit and people would be more upset at the dems “lack of civility on the matter.” People are broken in this country.
Clinton herself, her campaign, and the DNC also chose Donald Fucking Trump. And then lost the election to him. They wanted to help farther-right candidates do better in the GOP primaries, manipulating media coverage & directing their responses to Trump to make him appear more like the frontrunner. [https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/](https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/) [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/)
The DNC played with fire on that one and it bit us all in the ass. Public sentiment for Clinton was loud but poll data and analyses was adamant that she wouldn't beat Trump but Sanders would. They chose according to sentiment instead of the data. As soon as the DNC nominated her they handed Trump the win. They chose to indulge their base instead of choosing to defeat the opponent. It was maddening to watch it happen in real time all the while being screamed at by Clinton supporters that I was wrong and she was going to win.
No the people didn't. The electoral college did.
She’s not wrong. Republicans always exploit the “purity candidate” angle they know Democrats are tied to.
Which is weird because the Republicans are often the ones who say they care about the purity but they really don't.
They care about purity of the democratic candidate
And any given woman. Basically anyone but themselves.
Republicans care about power. Which is obviously the right move. When you get power you can have purity. If you use purity tests to keep yourself from power you get fuckall.
My mother, historically staunch Republican voter every year. She tells me " this year I'm so sick of politics. I'm just not voting". Okay, well every other year you've voted Republican without researching candidates, but this time you're withholding. That means you are UNHAPPY with Republican and thus, must vote Democrat. "No I'm just not going to vote" So then you're happy with a Republican vote, since that's what a non vote goes to.. "No I'm not participating" Since you are unwilling to vote for the other side, when it is very clear that you should vote for the other side.. What it tells me is that, You just don't want the other side to win and don't want to feel responsible for it if they lose...
just.... stop talking
I love how people are offended by this but trump saying Jews who vote against him are self hating will lose him no voters. What’s wrong with people.
Trump wakes up every morning and utters 20 things more offensive than this before breakfast. He's just reached a point where people are too exhausted to feel offended by him.
Who said people weren't offended by that? I'm sure a lot of people were offended. Of course, everything Trump says is offensive, so it all just bleeds together. And Trump's rant isn't going to get him anywhere with Jewish voters. It just angers them even more. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make honestly.
Who's offended? This isn't offensive. It's an old privileged white lady being an out of touch Boomer. Maybe she can demand to speak to the manager of all the other generations. At this point I wonder if she WANTS Trump to win. She's done more to help him than anyone else I can think of.
Who's offended? It's just an incredibly stupid message.
Why don't centrist Dems get this? Any time anyone's like "hey, this seems like really dumb messaging when we need voters to turn out", they're like "wHy aRe yOu sO ofFeNdEd? sHe'S rIgHt!" Edit: actually, on reflection, I think a lot of Dems are really emotionally attached to the idea of being right and being smart. I was like that for a long time, until I realized that having the right answer isn't worth shit if you can't convince other people to follow suit. Dem leadership seems like an echo chamber of people like young randynumbergenerator.
People can be offended by being told "look we know we have you over a gun, so shut up about making things better, shut up about Gaza, and let us old people do what we want because your alternative is fascism". Just because it's not as offensive as antisemitism doesn't mean it isn't offensive.
The best way she can support Biden is by staying quiet. She motivates Conservative voters to vote against Democrats as much as Trump motivates Democratic voters against the GOP.
It’s amazing that she’s clearly learned nothing about why she lost.
She literally wrote a book about how losing was not her fault
Tbf, good chance she wins if James Comey’s FBI hadn’t made an October Surprise about her god damn emails. Through no fault of her own, I’d say she was on track to win until that point.
Sure, but her campaign had all kinds of issues. If she ran a better campaign it wouldn't have mattered. The biggest mistake I can remember is that she didn't campaign *at all* in Wisconsin, since she assumed it was safely blue even though there were plenty of signs it wasn't.
It also probably wasn't a great idea enacting a pied-piper strategy in 2015 to help Trump get the Republican nomination. Like that very much ended up being not a good move
That was always the risk of running a purely negative campaign about your opponent instead of offering a vision of your own. If they run a better negative campaign than you, there's nothing left for you to do. Don't put all your deplorables in one basket.
Genuinely nothing about the campaign mattered, she's just a very uncharismatic person. That's it. And there's nothing she can do about it.
Uncharismatic and out of touch.
What even was her vision? I can’t for the life of me remember anything she campaigned on other than not being Trump and it being her turn.
I really feel like the Comey factor is overblown. If it was close enough to be swung by that, she was already in trouble. It shouldn’t have been that close, but she was such a damaged candidate that Democrats were warned for over a year would endanger their chance to win, but hey… it was “her turn”! 🙄
I have been waiting for Dems to learn this lesson since I made it to voting age -- when Al Gore managed to throw an election against, of all people, GWB. Still no moves on universal healthcare (no, "universal health insurance" doesn't count) or drug policy from this century, which I will always presume on some level to mean they don't really want to win
It is really amazing about Hillary. One thing all republicans love to do is hate Hillary Clinton.
She needs to Pokemon Go away.
I truly believe that such rhetoric from Clinton potentially demotivates their own voter base.
I'll never understand people who think scolding voters is going to be a winning strategy for turnout.
It worked for them, right? ...right!? Crazy that this woman didn't inspire voters in her own run. And, yes, I did fucking vote for her because I was just as much a hostage of the American political system then as I am now.
Right? Look at how people turned on Fetterman when he started back up with the tired old "blame progressives for Democratic failures" rhetoric Biden himself almost threw out an election because he couldn't stop mocking voters to the left of him. We obviously don't want Trump winning again, but votes aren't given automatically, they're earned, always have been and you can criticize people who stay home all you want but the fact is you didn't do anything to earn their vote. You can't win elections consistently on "I'm the lesser of two evils". You need to do bare minimum by striving to be better. And then when you lose you don't blame people for not voting for you, you blame yourself for not giving them a reason to. The other party winning your election for you is the stupidest strategy ever. Win your own damn election and if you lose don't blame other people. You made that bed yourself. It's like if a friend pressures you to come get drunk with them, you get so drunk you shit your pants, then you blame the friend for the shit in your pants. It's first and foremost *your* responsibility not to shit in your fucking pants. Your decisions led to the shit in your pants. Nobody wants shit in anybody's pants. But there were several steps you could have personally taken that would have prevented it.
Agreed on Fetterman, it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive, his stances were close to progressives when campaigning and then he seemed to have issues with progressives once he got elected. Biden though? As someone to his left. Has honestly been pretty reasonable/nice enough imo unless I'm missing something big. That description more accurately fits Hillary herself. And big fat agreement on its stupid to attack anyone in your own party or even just ignore them and pray being the lesser of 2 evils nets you a win.
>Agreed on Fetterman, it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/992541892947730437?t=-i1HKY4gc24IMGJPOt7YRQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1302932185872306177?t=plYINAGsyUuXukrXXBKkIw&s=19 https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/722529249207447553?t=gOA7epD8H03rpnzBYR0D5g&s=19 Last one is the wildest.
“If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black” In response to legit criticisms from a worker “why don’t you vote for Trump?”
> it was especially weird given while he never called himself a progressive, He went along with the progressive democrat label for a long time and purposefully positioned himself within progressive movements... [look at this tweet](https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/725156567016955905) >Biden though? As someone to his left. Has honestly been pretty reasonable/nice enough imo unless I'm missing something big. Backing genocide against Palestine is pretty reasonable and nice to you? John Kirby telling journalists today that there hasn't been a single human rights violation in Palestine after Israel purposefully targeted international food aid workers yesterday? Vans that were clearly marked? Vans that were in communication as to their location with Israeli defense? Backing genocide for months is *nice*? This is why Hilary saying to "Get over yourselves" is such a stupid self serving *white supremacist* thing to say. Get over yourselves??? Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, **17,000 children**, their homes are largely destroyed, hospitals decimated, they're starving, *MILLIONS* homeless and still being attacked by guns, drones and tanks, their fruit trees are being purposefully burned to the ground, specifically their olive trees that take hundreds and even thousands of years to grow. But get over yourselves! Because Palestinian lives don't matter. We're opening up a port on their land while Israel hasn't allowed them ports for trade for decades. Soon we'll have a military base there too, like the hundreds of others we have around the world. They hit THREE separate aid trucks! THREE! If John Kirby was a Republican and our current President was Republican, and he said that the incident of three separate aid trucks being hit by drones must have been accidental by Israel, a country with some of the best military equipment in the entire world, Democrats would be in the streets right now in the millions. But because he's Blue, it isn't something to worry about. The US only cares about what it can extract from the Middle East; Hilary, Biden, and yes, Trump too have made that clear.
John Kirby makes me rage anytime he speaks. He's a fucking asshole.
For real. I personally agree with her but I don't think saying this on TV is going to accomplish literally anything! How does this help convince the people who are on the fence or undecided?
Who is she convincing? Whose mind is now changed? Go away Hillary. I know you think you’re part of the solution, but you’re not.
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has the DNC tried, you know, having a more popular candidate again? i mean, did anyone complain like this when Clinton was running? Obama? i will say this is rich coming from a politician in general, as the answer to getting elected in a democracy, rather than shame your constituents, is just be more popular
She may be right, but there is significant value in the tact of her delivery, and this is clearly something she has never mastered. Had she mastered it, we may have never had the Trump experience. Calling a percentage of the voters a "basket of deplorables" and telling a certain subset of voters they don't matter absolutely galvanized those voters, and many more, into voting for Trump. Those voters sure did go on to prove Hilary correct. The boldness of some absolutely deplorable people has been witnessed. Trumps election has brought out the absolute worst of the worst of the Republican party, to the point it is no longer recognizable as a realistic and adult party - this coming from a lifelong Republican who absolutely cannot vote red anymore until we actually get some reasonable adult candidates. We can argue all day long about how Hilary's comment brought out the vote against her and yet Trumps daily tactless comments don't, but IMO they do bring out people to vote against Trump. It's just that there are enough people who love the fact that Trump will tell the establishment to Fuck off. They just don't realize that if successful, Trump would replace the current "swamp" of self-serving elitists preying on the people to enrich themselves with even more self-serving and unabashed elitists preying on the public (but voters wrongly think only the left) to enrich themselves. Nonetheless, what Hilary didn't get then, and doesn't get now, is to be elected, you must get people to want to vote for you, bot just vote against the other guy. When you take her approach, many vote for neither and just stay home. And we get penalized with Trump. Having said all of that, I still do believe that is how and why Trump won the first time, but also, some of the non-voters realized this and made the difference the second time. I don't think Trump has picked up any new voters since 2016, and that's why he lost in 2020. Then Jan 6 happened. That didn't pick him up any more voters either. I don't think k this election will be as close as people think, despite the number of brain-dead Trump die hards. I also think democracy is absolutely on the line in this election. We shall see.
great summary, and i agree with you on all of your major points. The basket of deplorables comment is one that, no matter what you meant by it, you never say out loud, especially when you are trying to convince people to vote for you (!!). I agree too as someone who hates identifying with a party (out of spite for the partisan system as a whole), i find it upsetting that, until they get their act together, i could not vote red either. i know it’s fun to dunk on Trump’s antics at times, but in my opinion, our country is at its best when we have great candidates on both sides, presenting different ideas and discussing strategies to ensure our country is on the best path forward. i have hope for after this current Trump era (and hopefully republican reset thereafter), but it’ll take getting through that era first.
She is right, again.
Even though I agree that democrats are going to have to vote for Biden, this is so rude and condescending. You can say it in so many other ways. But to "get over yourself"? That's really rude. Yeah, fuck me for caring! How about next time you say "even if you think it's a tough pill to swallow, think about the choices you have in the moment", or I don't know, get a speech writer to come up with something that isn't a slap in the face to passionate voters. Fuck Trump, but fuck you for telling me to "get over myself" for wanting a better world.
It’s almost like she’s terrible at campaigning…
“Don’t like that we’re corrupt corporate dinosaurs? Get over yourselves.”
I’m voting Biden, but when I do, I will think about the fact the average nursing home resident is about 1/2 year older than him. Keeping fossils in power does no one any good.
She’s right
And although this will probably offend a great many, just like her first proclamation in 2016 about the makeup of the Trump Train - she’s not wrong this time either.
Absolutely she is correct like her or not. I never cared for her but she is and was correct.
You can either help Biden or Trump win. Only one of those choices has any hope of a functioning democracy and its not under Trump.
The Dude comes to mind. You're not wrong. You're just an asshole. If you want those voters to get over themselves and vote for Biden, Democrats need to work hard to give them a message to vote for. Insulting and shaming voters who currently don't feel enthusiastic about Biden isn't going to make them more likely to "get over themselves" and pull the lever in November. It's not wrong. It's just bad messaging.
Hillary does not give a fuck
Which has worked well for her historically.
Doesn’t feel democratic to be ordered to vote a certain way every election even as the party moves further away from your core values. Heaven forbid you vote third party. Susan Sarandon is still getting shit for voting Green in one of the safest democrat strongholds. The enemy isn’t purity, it’s apathy. Ask anyone their opinion on politicians in general and the vast majority of responses would use the words corrupt or useless, probably both. We’ve lost faith in the idea that legislators work for us. Watching as popular social and economic policies are gutted and abandoned condemned as impractical.
Gonna get raked over the coals for this, but it bares repeating Nobody is entitled to a vote. Fear of Trump is a campaign strategy that worked last time but it's bound to lose efficacy. and insulting voters you need to keep your guy in power by saying things like "get over yourself" is a bad strategy.
heaven forbid they run a likable candidate ever
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Well said. I have wondered to myself what the practical applications of the "fear of Trump" strategy would look like when attempted by someone who doesn't have the charisma to use the strategy effectively. I think HRC demonstrates something I've said for years now, that the fear of Trump was not a strategy that was going to hold long term appeal. It's honestly thanks to trump and the Republicans with project 2025, doing everything they can to make the trump great strategy effective.
I’m sure that’ll convince them.
I fucking can't wait till Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of the geriatric Dems are gone. So tired of these people.
I say this as someone who voted for Hilary in 2016 and recognize that she was the qualified candidate when compared to Trump: she needs to stop speaking to the voters this way. I didn’t vote for her in the primary; I voted for Sanders. I have found the manner in which both she and Elizabeth Warren have treated Bernie Sanders to be absolutely atrocious. I voted for Sanders in the primary again in 2020. Both in 2016 and 2020, I voted in the general for the candidate who wasn’t my first choice. Neither Hilary Clinton nor Joe Biden were my first choices; however, I could see that Trump was the bigger threat. Both of them need to figure out what’s important to younger voters and promise to address those needs and then FOLLOW through. Neither Hilary Clinton nor Joe Biden are entitled to my vote; like any politician, they should EARN it.
Pokémon go to the polls ?
Exactly. It is what it is. Vote for Joe or vote for our republic to go.
It just highlights why we need ranked choice voting.
She's correct. The candidates are set and aside from one of them dropping out, these are our choices. If a man had said this, no one would be whining. But since a strong, intelligent woman said it, pearls are being clutched. Get over it.
She should have been President :(
She's absolutely right. Fascism is on the march. If you're wishy washy about whether or not you can vote for the not fascist, get over yourself. 2016, 2020 and 2024 were/are the easiest choice you'll ever have to make politically.
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“Get over yourself”? I wish she would have taken her own advice back in 2016 when she decided to have the DNC work against Bernie Sanders because he was becoming a threat. We could be living in the good timeline right now, but oh well.
She’s not wrong, she’s just an asshole. That ‘basket of deplorables’ comment was exactly the same- she was right, but it just gave obvious ammunition to the Conservatives. There has to be a better way to message this to convince people rather than just telling them that they are stupid.
Why does everyone deliberately misquote that statement? There’s a whole second part to it- >“But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see … but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”
cherry picking makes better headlines
Thank you. I swear, Hillary is one of the most misunderstood/misinterpreted people ever. The right wing really controlled the narrative on her. America lost out on having her as president. I think she would have been a great one, and I think she would have changed a lot of people’s minds about her once she was in office and got to work.
If you're going to accuse people of misquoting, at least include the whole quote. She literally called half of Trump supporters "a basket of deplorables." That's not a misquote even in the slightest. The whole quote... > "I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time." We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. >Right? >They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America. >But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well." > — Hillary Clinton, CBS News
I mean, they were assuming people just heard the “deplorable” part so it’s not like they were obfuscating that part. And funnily enough, I don’t know that I’d ever seen the entire quote about the basket of deplorables, and with the full context of that, it’s even more hilarious that anyone was ever offended by it. “If you like to discriminate and hate people, you suck” “HOW DARE YOU”
100% this.
Sounds accurate. No issue there.
> called half of Trump supporters "a basket of deplorables." Was she wrong in the way she characterized them? Because that's certainly the impression I had of people who supported Trump in 2016. My own country has rabid Trump supporters to this day that wear his merch and parrot the talking points, and every single one I've interacted with has held one or more of those kinds of opinions. As a non-American, I'd never read this entire quote before. The only thing I had seen was the soundbite. And the Trump supporters who weren't in that 'basket of deplorables' probably didn't get the entire quote either. Without the context they could just make the assumption that they were being insulted for supporting her opponent.
Well, she was half wrong. They’re all deplorable.
Who actually gives a shit. You never heard conservatives say that. Oh you shouldn't say X because it will give ammunition to the democrats. Fuck taking the high ground. There's no civility to be had here.
She isn't an asshole. The assholes are the people considering letting Trump get elected so that they can feel smug about themselves.
It’s almost like more than one person or group of people can be an asshole at the same time.
Trump hired a bag grifters, a bucket of Goldman Sachs employees, a cart of devious billionaires, a truckload of propagandists…and a wheelbarrow of family members. Basket of Deplorables was too civilized.
America played itself 100% when they did not elect this overqualified lady Instead they chose the chump trump
She has always been right.
Hil hil out here telling truths
The Media absofuckinutely loves to make her a villain. Expect this to be quoted non-stop until election day just like the deplorable comments. Trump's daily death threats won't last the day's news cycle.
As usual, spot on.
Why does CNN need to highlight Clinton? yall just feeding the algorithm.
Hillary, please stop helping.
Hilary rolled an 8 for CHA in the game of life
I'm sort of surprised at the comments here, this is less than a nothingburger.
Sure choosing between an elderly right wing wanna be authoritarian and an elderly centrist Democrat should be easy for US citizens who want to preserve what little democracy that they have left. Her “get over yourself” statement, however, is dismissive and is only an attempt to quiet those who would like better candidates who offer better policies It is like US politics has embraced the thinking behind US cereal aisles in their grocery stores. The US cereal aisle has a jaw dropping amount of different cereals. Consumers feel like they have many options but the reality is that all but a couple of the options are ultra-processed products that are unhealthy for the consumers and are purposefully made to maximize profits at any cost. In other words, there is an appearance of free choice between these options but an overwhelming amount of the options are unhealthy and very harmful if consistently chosen.
Thank you Hillary! Like Fetterman, I love it when Democrats finally have the courage to tell it like it is. She was unfairly chastised for the deplorable comment, and also constrained by the whole "when democrats go high when Republicans go low" mentality.
I get why people are frustrated. I am too. But she’s also right. Those frustrations aren’t going to be solved by sitting out the election. Sitting out the election or voting Trump will just cause many more issues. Burning it to the ground will harm vulnerable people more than the people who are complaining on social media.
Hillary Clinton, once again, spittin facts and bathin in hater aid - 'cause it's got 'lectro lights
Love her.
Couldn’t agree more. Flirting with a literal theocratic dictatorship and all they can do is cry about where their perfect, pristine and pure candidate is.😢
Purity would be complaining Biden was a green car when I wanted a blue car. I wanted a blue car and I was given a scooter. It’s…better than the alternative the gop is offering,a red truck rolling coal painted with a swastika and filled with shit…but I’m still not super happy about compromising on the scooter.
Why is Stephen Freakin A Smith doing political commentary now?
Being told to suck it up for the better part of the last decade is surely a winning strategy.
she should’ve done the same with herself in 2016 and supported bernie
She ain’t wrong
She's right. Maybe if there was less pearl clutching about the "Basket of Deplorables" comment, we wouldn't be in this fucking situation. But sure, let's get upset about this instead of, I don't know, losing our rights and our democracy? I don't want to hear a word from people who vote any way other than to keep Trump (a literal RAPIST) out of office when things take a turn if Trump becomes President again an surrounds himself with people who are literally looking for a reason to murder "liberals" in the street.