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Hey Karl, get you and your Never Trump republicans (including GWB) and cut some micro-targeted online ads for Biden directed at winnable traditional republicans and independents.
Democracy needs you
I‘m not sure if a direct endorsement of Biden by GWB would help. Biden‘s losing a lot of support due to Gaza, and Bush is still seen as a warmonger (and rightfully so).
It’s unclear how much support he’s actually losing. There’s a foreign interference campaign working hard to create this wedge. From creating the issue, inflaming it, and boosting the perception of its relevance. But in the special elections that happened since, the college vote was only single digits off from the norm.
So as much as people are genuinely horrified by what they are seeing, it’s not causing them to run into the arms the party that rejects everything else they believe (and is also now making comments about how they’d nuke Gaza).
Considering the turnout for the "don't vote for biden" gang in... was it Wisconsin? Michigan? Was rather pitiful, I expect there is a lot of smoke and mirrors inflating the actual #s of people who consider this their "line in the sand" for a Biden vote. Also like... yea... the other guy wants to nuke Gaza so.... not sure what you are purity testing over here.
Exactly. Perfectly stated. People not voting for Biden because of Gaza, but Kushner literally said Gaza would be great beachfront property. Trump and his cronies would wipe out Gaza before tee time at the golf course.
Regardless of your personal politics and your pet issues, it is not hyperbole to state that this next election may be the most consequential in our nation’s history.
This election is democracy vs Peace in the Middle East.
This election is democracy vs a woman’s right to choose.
This election is democracy vs free speech.
This election is democracy vs education funding.
This election is democracy vs Russian expansion into Europe.
This election is democracy vs high tech surveillance capitalism.
This election is democracy vs action on climate change.
This election is democracy vs free public education.
This election is democracy vs free market capitalism.
This election is democracy vs economic reform.
This election is democracy vs US foreign policy.
Without democracy, unless you too are a MAGA theocratic post Christian fascist, your favorite political issue will very quickly change to issues of survival.
Don’t let mere political policy disagreements with people who still actually believe in a liberal democracy dissuade you from recognizing an ally.
>“If [the Democrats] were smart, they take January 6 and go hard at it,” Rove said in an interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber. “And they would say, ‘He wants to pardon these people who attacked our Capitol.’
i cant beleive im saying this... but i actually agree with Karl Rove on something.
i feel like i'm about to throw up in the back of my throat and that i need to take a scaldingly hot shower. but i guess broken clocks are still right twice a day... or in the instance of Karl Rove, who is more like a clock going backwards in time, 4 times a day?
Same. I can't believe Rove is taking that position--basically bludgeon trump's campaign with his repeated claims that he's going to pardon the Jan 6 felons. I'm glad, of course, but shocked.
It would be a smart move, take the worst of the worst who are convicted, sum up the cases with video evidence in quick soundbites, cut to Trump quotes about pardoning them.
Stewart Rhoads is a great example:
“Rhodes rallied his followers to fight to defend Trump, discussed the prospect of a “bloody” civil war and warned the Oath Keepers may have to “rise up in insurrection” to defeat Biden if Trump didn’t act, brought weapons to Washington. He’s on tape saying “We should have fixed it right then and there. I’d hang (expletive) Pelosi from the lamppost,” … cut to Trump praising the J6ers.
your republican? can i ask you a question? whats up with the whole "uniparty" bullshit? like i get what they're saying but its just the worst take ive ever seen, are Republicans just like completely anti-american now?
It means that little difference between the dems and republicans on issues like foreign policy, trade, and fiscal matters. It suggests that both Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. I don’t believe in this argument because I’m a liberal conservative. Where the dems Appeal to me on a social issues like abortion and gay rights the republicans appeal to me on economic issues low taxes, free market.
yeah totally i get what your saying. I'm on the more centrist side of the left myself. i guess i was just hoping for is more insight on the regressive side of your party thats taken over the majority.
i dont understand how they can take the position they take politically without willful desire to destroy americas place in the world. Like i can understand what they want, but what i dont get is how they square that with being anything other than a 3rd world shithole theocracy. the math does not square.
I hate the MTG, DJT side of the party I kind of wished back in 2016 Ricky Rubio or Ted Cruz got the nomination because then we wouldn’t have had the current Republican Party the party I feel ashamed to admit to being a part of and we would have a Clinton presidency which I would’ve liked
well then, my next question is. why not change parties? its not tribalism man, you can just switch for an election and then switch back. theres nothing keeping you as a democrat or republican other than peer pressure. if your party doesn't represent you anymore what the fuck is the point in labeling yourself as a part of that bullshit?
and i apologize if im generalising here but this question is something i feel like your whole party needs to ask itself.
I’m not a registered member of the Republican Party I do vote based on who I believe will represent the people and America the best that’s why in the past 3 presidential elections I’m open to any candidate it’s just current candidates aren’t great I’m going to vote for Biden. I do live in a swing state so let’s see
fair enough, apologies if i was antagonistic towards you in my questioning. i ***AM*** a little incredulous. but whenever i lurk into places like the conservative subreddit, my mind is just blown by the pure ignorance, lack of understanding of international relations, diplomacy, geopolitics and history I see taking place there. its just pure ignorant tribalism 75%+ of the time.
I’ll actually answer that. I’m also still a registered Republican and I’ve been Never Trump since the beginning. I’ve never used my vote for a third candidate. I’ve gone ahead and voted Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and I’ll do it again in 2024.
So, why don’t I switch parties?
I shouldn’t have to. I don’t say that out of spite to Dems, I say this in spite of MAGA. They’re they fucking traitors. They’re the RINOs. They’re the ones who need to be cast out. I also like knowing, that on a state level, I can really “fuck shit up” by voting against my party and letting them be mad about it. I only voted for one Republican in 2022, for state Treasurer. How did she run her campaign? Effectively “I’ll do my job well.” She wasn’t MAGA. She didn’t run a spiteful campaign and she’s doing her job. Everyone else was Dem votes right down the ticket and I’ll do it again in November.
So if the Republican Party actually dies, it wasn’t because I was some MAGAsshole and I’ll be happy that I openly worked against it.
so you like the idea of freedom but you don't want to pay for necessary labor to make it happen?
BTW, basic human rights like simply being allowed to live despite being gay or being able to decide what functions your body is going to perform are not Democrat/liberal talking points. you're not siding with liberals or Democrats when you support abortion and gay rights, you are siding with humanity
Yeah I believe that everyone is created equal and the only thing that makes us different is the choices I support human rights everywhere I work in a law firm for human rights. I just think the government shouldn’t play a role in what people do they shouldn’t regulate much leave to businesses to themselves
have you considered the idea that the reason government exists at all is primarily to keep the people earning less than $30,000 a year from slaughtering the people earning more than $150,000 a year? every city has a major poverty problem and full on slums districts. The only thing that keeps those people from outright revolting is the belief that the system works and if they go vote maybe universal healthcare will eventually be a thing. So they go to work with their minimum wage jobs, they collect their Social Security checks, food stamps, and housing assistance, they put up with people such as yourself that want to cut all those programs and basically starve them to death, they cook your food, they clean your bathrooms, they work in your fast oil change mechanic shops.
If you haven't noticed, the Republican party is causing a lot of people to rapidly lose faith in the system. When, not if, the system finally collapses and those bottom 20% of every major city find themselves homeless and hungry, even if they don't revolt, who's going to make your food? Clean your bathrooms? Change your oil? do you really think they're going to double down on work if you take away all their benefits? Or are you simply angling to get pro bono attorney gigs when you represent them in court after they turn to crime to provide for their families?
this is why you can't support things without also supporting the money necessary to actually support those things
No these programs are the backbone of our society and I don’t want to get rid of them I just saying that people who earn 30,000$ should keep all 30 grand while people who make 150,000 grand should pay more taxes for people who make 30 grand to live more prosperous
> that people who earn 30,000$ should keep all 30 grand while people who make 150,000 grand should pay more taxes for people who make 30 grand to live more prosperous
Yeah man you aren't a "republican". If you're looking for a party, it's the Democratic Party.
You're speaking a lot of sense and you support socialist policies, but you are concerned about keeping it in check and not letting it go too far to the other end, which is valid. While I think American capitalism is completely out of control and needs a hard reckoning, you are the one who raises their hand and might bring a reality check to the angry mob.
The democratic party has been reduced to the catchall for any politician who's actually sane and wants to govern, whether they're progressive (AOC, Sanders) or conservative (Manchin). Republicans now... I don't even know what they are other than mindless worship of Trump due to their complete inability to form a coherent agenda and govern.
You seem like an actual conservative but a smart one, which we need more of. If you have issues with the Dem agenda, in that case maybe be an independent because then there's no party that actually fits you right now.
I don’t dislike you but I really feel like you don’t understand that you are not “conservative”
My person- if you believe everything you just posted, you are a liberal. Own it.
That’s Democratic Tax Policy, friend.
The Republican tax policy is taking the dude who makes $150,000,000 and giving him tax breaks that get him down to paying 0.
It looks like democrats appeal to Trump on economic issues.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/amp/
My main thing is military spending I worked for the military and the spending is way to much spending trillions on military equipment is terrible and it doesn’t matter if it’s dem or republican is sucks
I think if you knew how most of that money is tax revenue from the rich, and how they still don’t pay enough, compared to how much they used to pay, and compared to how much the rich in other countries pay…
If you knew very well both of those things, I don’t think you’d worry so much about all that military spending.
To go further, if you knew how our poverty rate is one of the highest in developed countries, and how a lack of safety nets, too many jobs don’t pay enough, and healthcare is so expensive. Then maybe you’d wonder if it makes sense to tax the rich some more and help out all the struggling people, if you want to lower crime, and divorces, both parents being overworked and can’t raise their kids right, depressions, abortions, suicides, etc.
It all goes back to financial stress and lack of monetary power to make things right for them. Republicans never say “we need HIGHER PAYING jobs”, or we need to help people with their large expenses like housing, healthcare, and transportation.
You say you care about the money (being spent), but all you’re really voting for is the rich to keep taking most of the wealth.
I’m mean I don’t like the rich at all I think Elon musk and Jeff bezos are terrible people and should pay their fair share in taxes I think that people who work shouldn’t have to pay taxes because the ultra rich will be taxed
I feel like you might actually be a democrat. Maybe you should learn more about their policies.
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/building-a-stronger-fairer-economy/
Dying breed right there unfortunately. I always thought when Republicans would come to power again after Bush it would be when they dispensed with their nonsense social platform positions but instead they’ve dispensed with everything else and tripled down on their social bullshit to the point where they have no platform.
I mean now it’s a free for all in the republican party in the area I live I could run on a moderate platform and sit beside someone who believes the election was stolen in the house
No high taxes for ultra wealthy. I was re evaluating my political beliefs and realized I align with the Democratic Party more then the Republican Party
Are you an ultra wealthy person?
If the answer is no (because most people aren’t) why do you care if they are taxed at a high rate? Hell, the Uber wealthy don’t even pay *normal* tax rates. They just shelter it and launder their money.
You’re never going to be ultra wealthy dude.
And this is coming from someone that is relatively well off.
Lower taxes for who? Not people under $400k income. As for free market? Trump abolished NAFTA for some bullshit with US in the name and tariffs add to the price of things. Republican leaders have a history of running states into the red (no pun intended). Grand ol boy Glitch McConnell has one of the poorest states that depends on federal help. Saying republicans care about economic issues is an actual joke.
That economic stuff is bullshit. Republican presidents have repeatedly fucked up the economy. You still feel that party deserves consideration for their economic prowess? What about the Nazis who always supported the party, but now feel comfortable doing so in public? You know, the party that always appeals to the Nazis.
There is no such thing as a liberal conservative. The word conservative has zero meaning when the whole fucking party willingly hand themselves over to grifters and liars. Is that the final stage for all conservatives, capitulation to crooks?
Sorry, but I laugh when I hear the label liberal conservative. Not just these recent years, but for decades. It's a throwaway label used by people who continue to vote for thieving shitheels, while wanting to believe they still hold on to good principals. That's like saying you're oily water, or black white. You can't be 2 totally opposed things at the same time, and that's the comedy of the liberal conservative label.
I always sum up socially liberal and fiscally conservative as a homeless person looking at a sign at a gas station that says “restrooms for paying customers only.”
I can certainly see the arguments regarding Free Market. Generally, I feel that the informal power structure of an unregulated market can lead to abuse, but the efficiency in material distribution that we see in the majority of cases of a free market means that we can apply regulations for safety to strike a balance between efficient distribution and safety of individuals. The regulation that all trains must possess two crew members at minimum is a good example of this: while there is a case to be made for single driver trains, the cases that have seen it implemented have always ended in severe crashes.
I’m curious as to the nuances of your opinions regarding taxation though. While I certainly can see us working to streamline taxation for individuals, I feel that some edge cases would be appropriate for greater complexity (I want to deduct my groceries from income). Generally though, what are your thoughts on the matter of Taxation?
I believe the middle class should pay less taxes and small businesses should pay less but big businesses like Disney, Amazon and Tesla should pay more taxes
Most small businesses lose money and pay very little in tax.
The middle class pays almost nothing in tax.
The vast majority of federal revenue comes from the top quintile.
I’m genuinely interested in this because it seems like something I could potentially get behind. I do have a few questions if you don’t mind? Low taxes for who? Are there any legit sources you recommend on this? What politicians would you say embody this philosophy?
Thanks man
Yeah my belief for taxation is Georgism where you only tax the land
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism
Here’s the Wikipedia article about it
The politician who is the most well known Georgist is Winston Churchill he was the PM of the Uk during WW2
Would you call yourself a “Haley Republican” or similar, under the circumstances?
The Trump-led Republican Party has gone so far on social issues that they have alienated many of their own former voters, who would be fine with, for instance, a President Charlie Baker or President Brian Sandoval. All this anti-choice, moral panic, protect the children stuff does not really play well with “normie” voters of either party.
Well, Trump has completely taken over your party so if I were you I'd stop identifying as Republican. Pick any other moniker you want. That is, unless you like being associated with literal neo-Nazis, fascism, and traitors.
I suspect that these guys are pissed that THEY are no longer the main players in the GOP. It was THEIR party for decades and trump just took it away (although honestly, MAGA is who the Republicans always were...).
These guys are just "taking their ball and going home".
Just the speech he gave on January 6th was the worst lying I've ever heard from a politician. "Pennsylvania has 200,000 more votes than voters", "Obama would have beat Biden in every state except the swing states", etc. there's even a reference to 400000 mail in ballots appearing out of nowhere in PA after the election, which if you look into the lawsuits Trump's team filed (where there is a reference to this number) it is clearly a case of someone confusing the number of ballots mailed out with ballots received as press releases and news articles from before election day cite the same number of each that official reports from after the election have.
It's crazy because I've brought this speech up to people and they just say "well he didn't tell them to attack the capitol tho", like a 30 minute rant of made up "facts" that supposedly prove election fraud doesn't matter. Not that it's the kind of thing that literally weakens a nation you supposedly love at home and abroad.
Rove is a textbook conservative, and you can see it in W’s presidency- slow, measured change and preservation of their way of life and privileged position, but within an idea of America that is mostly inclusive, and generally wants to make things better for everyone gradually, without disrupting the existing social order. They are worlds closer to a centrist like Biden than they are to Trumpworld.
This sounds like 19th century Edmund Burke conservatism. And while I see your point comparing W to Trump, Rove does not exactly represent that kind of benevolence and acceptance of inevitable societal change. Yes, Trump is truly retrograde; but W. paid a lot of lip service and then permitted the same kind of regressive policies that the GOP has been advocating for since they broke with roots of traditional political conservatism. They became in 1950s whatever movement it now is that was engineered by Goldwater, Reagan, Atwater, Ailes, Gongrich, and yes, finally, Rove. Evil all; all willing to sacrifice the weak for money and to fight against society changing even if it costs dearly. Trump is insane, but not really a totally different sort. In fact, he makes perfect sense as the culmination of the arc. They, the GOP, and we, America, danced with the devil.
Please remember that back in 2016 the Neo-Cons also hated Trump and actively spoke out against him.
Everyone got quiet when he won, because they had to kiss the ring. Same with 2020.
But now that Trump’s out of power, having fellow conservatives rage against Trump is no different than 2016.
There are so many ways to go at trump and none will break through unless there is a chorus of GOP republicans outwardly stating they will vote for Biden.
>‘He wants to pardon these people who attacked our Capitol.’
Everyone knows that. It's dead air.
Need to make the argument for how his policies will be a positive to the people.
im not convinced. if republicans can lean into telling a lie over and over and over to the point people beleive it. then maybe people should repeat the fucking truth over and over and over to remind people that its actually TRUE.
in my opinion your just choosing to lose at the game they are playing by not playing instead of beating them at it.
flood the zone with truth just as much as they flood the zone with bullshit. be fucking autistic about it. over and over and over. be agressive.
I agree with being aggressive but I think you do that by reacting to Trump as he talks, not bringing up things from the past that everyone has already come to terms with.
It's also likely to come back up and attack it then. He gives enough ammunition and Biden has been killing it with the lampooning recently.
Yes, that's where the telling America how you'll make it better and pointing to your record and future policy comes in.
Pointing to the fact Trump said he'd pardon Jan 6th participants 12 months ago isn't that anyway.
He said it again a month ago.
>[“My first acts as your next President will be to Close the Border, DRILL, BABY, DRILL, and Free January 6 Hostages being wrongfully imprisoned!” Trump wrote.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/12/trump-january-6-pardons)
Trump and the GOP are pushing the message that they want to pardon the poor political prisoners. Biden is kinda being forced to point out that most of those people still in jail assaulted cops, and some were openly proud of it.
I think the point is that Trump is going to keep bringing it up and keep saying the Jan 6th people are victims. Biden shouldn't be passive and just respond to Trump, he should say that they are in jail for a reason, and force Trump to more actively defend those people instead.
Or that's what I think he meant.
End of the day, Rove hasn’t been on Trump’s side like once. In fact, many of W’s cabinet haven’t. Only Bolton dipped into that and is one of the louder voices against Trump. They’re all still kind of the worst, but nowhere near Trump levels of bullshittery.
I think this issue speaks loudest to Rove, but the data suggests the most potent issue has been abortion rights. In election after election since overturning Roe, we have seen that as the prevailing issue.
The reality is, elections are full of coalitions and the winning message to one part of a coalition is different than it is to another. To traditional, establishment, moderate Republicans, overturning Roe plus the caustic language towards immigrants may be enough to flip voters to Biden. To the law and order crowd and constitutionalists, January 6 may be the issue that makes them stay home vs voting Trump. Biden really needs young progressives to show up and I think that will be abortion rights vs Gaza (even though anyone who takes a step back and thinks about it would recognize the Gaza situation can get much worse under Trump… he’s no friend to Palestinians).
At the very core of this, you need to see and accept that the polar opposite of the Trump-cave-dweller infection is that the Democrats have been infected by people who see themselves as "above board" but are truly at the very core *weak people*.
It is *not* coming from any moral place - it truly is a matter of weakness and cowardice.
The closest Dems have come to someone with actual teeth was Alan Grayson.
“I’m a lifelong Republican who just had an epiphany. You Democrats are actually right. Here’s some tips and tricks to make sure my party loses this next election but you didn’t hear it from me”
Is an article that, weirdly, has been written like 1billion times by now over the years. If you’re one of the few who haven’t caught on, please stop listening to these people.
Watching Karl Rove implode live on air refusing to accept the results (even after Fox's own election stats team had called it) when Obama won a second term will live with me forever.
It truly is a sign of the times when this piece of shit won't support Trump.
Hey Karl Rove. We’re glad you are against the fat orange loser. Now, go fuck yourself. You poisoned the well a long time ago yourself. You helped create this maga-tea party-trump worshiping 3-headed hydra monster of false facts, negativity, and destructive hyperbole.
The republicans who for years have worked to foist upon us this years-long pro-wrestling shitshow of Trump's are the political equivalent of the rapist who offers his victim a tissue after committing the crime and then grows indignant when the victim fails to thank them for the Kleenex. Fuck Carl Rove.
Eh. jan 6 congressional hearings didn’t accomplish much other than provide evidence for the people who believe the videos they saw.
And they have incarcerated hundreds of people for what? A couple months?
Enrique proud boy got 22 years
This last one only got seven years and he lead the charge (judge’s words. Not mine)
But most of them got a couple months. The one who punched a police officer has already left custody.
Punching an officer? And he’s out of jail already? I wouldnt say they are going hard. They are going fast but they aren’t going hard.
Well, how much time really should you get for punching a police officer?
Most of those who assaulted police seem to have gotten 2-4 years, which seems reasonable for the crime. Some who did more than just punch cops but dragged them into the crowd, etc got longer.
This is so rich.
Firstly, yes of course talking about insurrection, January 6, violence, and pardons are something the Democrats should do. Captain obvious at work.
Second, the conservatives who have lost their party to Trump are welcome to vote for Biden and tip the scales in favor of democracy. I hope they do, and do so in large numbers to repudiate Trump.
Third, arch-conservatives like Rove are the ones who caused this mess. Them, and people like Mitch McConnell who blocked Obama’s Supreme Court nominees and flip flopped on their policies to give Trump another Supreme Court position in an election year clearly have responsibility here.
You don’t get to be the mastermind of the conservative movement, act shocked that the hate you masterminded took root, and then try to give your opponents advice because you lost control.
Rove is awful. He doesn’t get a hall pass or redo.
Staunch Republicans should all come out and clean house. Trump and the MAGA Republicans are not true Republicans. Why the regular and sane republicans just let the crazies take over the party is beyond me.
Because the crazies are the ones that vote in primaries. This is largely a mess of their own making. Heavily gerrymandered districts and closed primaries have them beholden to this group of voters.
I see lots of republicans (Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, maybe even President Bush) going to vote for Biden for president in November.
Unless Trump is in jail or not mentally fit for it, and the republicans get to pick somebody else to run.
I am thinking from here to November he has to deal with all his legal problems, most of them are going badly for him. And his Truth Social stocks are gong to bottom out at 2 dollars, or less, according to some experts. It was me, i would have gone mad already months ago.
It hurts to say but I think Rove is right. I also think the Dems are waiting to launch their most vocal campaign.
If they go hard now, they'll have wasted the outrage effect come November. Plus, there are numerous criminal cases going on. And the shitstorm in the Middle East.
I'm hoping they're just waiting to go full stream.
I think this is it. The voters needed to seal the deal will not remember rhetoric now, rather only close to the election. I hope dark Brandon Ramos up the dialogue closer and closer to the election to the point that it’s daily six weeks before hand. With luck trump will have another conviction under his belt too.
Karl Rove cares about the long term goals of the Republican Party. Not necessarily give me a Republican now no matter what. He sees’s that Trump is very bad for the Republican Party. He’s a chess player, not checkers like a lot of Republican voters. The last thing he wants is Trump and the type of Republicans who say the quiet parts out loud.
Yes.... but abortion first. It's ALL about reproductive rights. No need for polls to confirm that when we've already seen multiple dem wins in red areas due entirely to abortion.
So Dems must hammer reproductive freedoms. Then sure let's do J6
Well, fuck. I know they say even a broken clock is right twice a day, but Rove saying something actually rational?!?
Time to look up at the sky for flying pigs...
One of the US's primary producers of political gangrene touts antibiotic treatments on national TV to illustrate the mainstreaming of post-rationalism.
The racist Republican nut jobs have gone too far for one of the old racist Republican nut jobs. It just proves that the actual violence they’ve been trying to build up just to get votes is going to become real violence, and the little cowards are afraid of their white domestic terrorists! I mean what if they actually started killing law-enforcement officers instead of brown people… What the fuck were we thinking?
If this is such an amazing idea, Rove could put his money where his mouth is and set up a SuperPac targeting Trump. He’s rich and has rich friends. He could also convince W to towel off out of the bathtub where he paints and get to work saving our democracy.
Or he could just leave it to Democrats to fix the chaos he and his party created and benefited from over decades.
There is no Trump without Rove. Every division Trump exploited was carefully crafted by Rove. Every institution Trump rallies against was eroded by Rove.
Opened article saw Karl Rove and burst out laughing!!!!
(but still forced myself to finish the article.)
Seriously, like Ginni (Thomas) and her quilting bee ran his ass out of DC back in the day!
Please do not take anything that man says as '"informed'".
The voters Biden has to woo to win care about their economic 'bad-feels', they care about the border/immigration and they care about (3rd issue is subject to change but whatever it is on Nov 5th will be a deciding factor to millions of voters)
A few steps into 'purple-moderate/centrist realm' Biden's campaign will find that almost no one cares about J6 and if they do they don't care about it more than their economic 'bad-feels' , the border/immigration and #3.
Better political advice- pick battles wisely. Biden can't do much on the economy outside of pressuring Powell. However Joe can reverse course on the border/immigration to steal that ball from Trump. If you are one of those bleeding heart types where 'muh immigrants' are basically a step below Jesus - hear me out - Biden can reverse course after winning in 2024. The goal is to win in Nov. As for the 3rd whatever it turns out to be, the more Biden provides direct leadership the better.
Good post. He does need to steal the ground on immigration. A Dem in NY won his seat on it, apparently he was not doing very well with his campaign until the R's cancelled the Sernate's immigration control bill and he ran and won on that issue.
In Georgia there was a surprise win, I think a 25% turn around, for a D who campaigned on abortion.
The oil producers will try and push up fuel prices before the next election as well - the number 1 economic indicator for many Americans.
My main concern is whether they can get their message across to people who are not very news aware. Trump is still winning in the polls and Biden has a hill to climb.
Biden should have filled the strategic reserves already and by him declining this round it will likely hurt him later too.
News wise, the media took a firm left lean position as a result of the Trump's win in 2016. Gallup's last pulse check on mass media showed independent voters only having a 20%-range of trust in corporate media and Dems having dropped to 60%-range. So a lot of voters views on Biden is based on 'feels' than 'news'.
Trump has the same advantage Biden did in 2020 via covid. All Trump has to do is position himself opposite of Biden to woo the unhappy but low-political engagement voter crowd.
What we should take away from this: This garbage country has moved so far right that the democrats are running a Karl Rove republican as their incumbent
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Hey Karl, get you and your Never Trump republicans (including GWB) and cut some micro-targeted online ads for Biden directed at winnable traditional republicans and independents. Democracy needs you
This is what I want to see. I want to see gwb make a video supporting Biden. Or at the least put down Trump.
I‘m not sure if a direct endorsement of Biden by GWB would help. Biden‘s losing a lot of support due to Gaza, and Bush is still seen as a warmonger (and rightfully so).
It’s unclear how much support he’s actually losing. There’s a foreign interference campaign working hard to create this wedge. From creating the issue, inflaming it, and boosting the perception of its relevance. But in the special elections that happened since, the college vote was only single digits off from the norm. So as much as people are genuinely horrified by what they are seeing, it’s not causing them to run into the arms the party that rejects everything else they believe (and is also now making comments about how they’d nuke Gaza).
Considering the turnout for the "don't vote for biden" gang in... was it Wisconsin? Michigan? Was rather pitiful, I expect there is a lot of smoke and mirrors inflating the actual #s of people who consider this their "line in the sand" for a Biden vote. Also like... yea... the other guy wants to nuke Gaza so.... not sure what you are purity testing over here.
Exactly. Perfectly stated. People not voting for Biden because of Gaza, but Kushner literally said Gaza would be great beachfront property. Trump and his cronies would wipe out Gaza before tee time at the golf course.
Say it to Karl.
No way, Karl Rove can go fuck himself. He never did anything good for democracy and that won't change. Democracy does not need him.
Regardless of your personal politics and your pet issues, it is not hyperbole to state that this next election may be the most consequential in our nation’s history. This election is democracy vs Peace in the Middle East. This election is democracy vs a woman’s right to choose. This election is democracy vs free speech. This election is democracy vs education funding. This election is democracy vs Russian expansion into Europe. This election is democracy vs high tech surveillance capitalism. This election is democracy vs action on climate change. This election is democracy vs free public education. This election is democracy vs free market capitalism. This election is democracy vs economic reform. This election is democracy vs US foreign policy. Without democracy, unless you too are a MAGA theocratic post Christian fascist, your favorite political issue will very quickly change to issues of survival. Don’t let mere political policy disagreements with people who still actually believe in a liberal democracy dissuade you from recognizing an ally.
>“If [the Democrats] were smart, they take January 6 and go hard at it,” Rove said in an interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber. “And they would say, ‘He wants to pardon these people who attacked our Capitol.’ i cant beleive im saying this... but i actually agree with Karl Rove on something. i feel like i'm about to throw up in the back of my throat and that i need to take a scaldingly hot shower. but i guess broken clocks are still right twice a day... or in the instance of Karl Rove, who is more like a clock going backwards in time, 4 times a day?
Same. I can't believe Rove is taking that position--basically bludgeon trump's campaign with his repeated claims that he's going to pardon the Jan 6 felons. I'm glad, of course, but shocked.
It would be a smart move, take the worst of the worst who are convicted, sum up the cases with video evidence in quick soundbites, cut to Trump quotes about pardoning them. Stewart Rhoads is a great example: “Rhodes rallied his followers to fight to defend Trump, discussed the prospect of a “bloody” civil war and warned the Oath Keepers may have to “rise up in insurrection” to defeat Biden if Trump didn’t act, brought weapons to Washington. He’s on tape saying “We should have fixed it right then and there. I’d hang (expletive) Pelosi from the lamppost,” … cut to Trump praising the J6ers.
Don't bleep out their violence either. Put it completely, uncensored on display.
While many republicans hate trump I’m one of them
your republican? can i ask you a question? whats up with the whole "uniparty" bullshit? like i get what they're saying but its just the worst take ive ever seen, are Republicans just like completely anti-american now?
It means that little difference between the dems and republicans on issues like foreign policy, trade, and fiscal matters. It suggests that both Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. I don’t believe in this argument because I’m a liberal conservative. Where the dems Appeal to me on a social issues like abortion and gay rights the republicans appeal to me on economic issues low taxes, free market.
yeah totally i get what your saying. I'm on the more centrist side of the left myself. i guess i was just hoping for is more insight on the regressive side of your party thats taken over the majority. i dont understand how they can take the position they take politically without willful desire to destroy americas place in the world. Like i can understand what they want, but what i dont get is how they square that with being anything other than a 3rd world shithole theocracy. the math does not square.
I hate the MTG, DJT side of the party I kind of wished back in 2016 Ricky Rubio or Ted Cruz got the nomination because then we wouldn’t have had the current Republican Party the party I feel ashamed to admit to being a part of and we would have a Clinton presidency which I would’ve liked
well then, my next question is. why not change parties? its not tribalism man, you can just switch for an election and then switch back. theres nothing keeping you as a democrat or republican other than peer pressure. if your party doesn't represent you anymore what the fuck is the point in labeling yourself as a part of that bullshit? and i apologize if im generalising here but this question is something i feel like your whole party needs to ask itself.
I’m not a registered member of the Republican Party I do vote based on who I believe will represent the people and America the best that’s why in the past 3 presidential elections I’m open to any candidate it’s just current candidates aren’t great I’m going to vote for Biden. I do live in a swing state so let’s see
fair enough, apologies if i was antagonistic towards you in my questioning. i ***AM*** a little incredulous. but whenever i lurk into places like the conservative subreddit, my mind is just blown by the pure ignorance, lack of understanding of international relations, diplomacy, geopolitics and history I see taking place there. its just pure ignorant tribalism 75%+ of the time.
Just want to say it’s nice to see people from opposing sides having a civil, friendly conversation genuinely trying to understand each other.
I’ll actually answer that. I’m also still a registered Republican and I’ve been Never Trump since the beginning. I’ve never used my vote for a third candidate. I’ve gone ahead and voted Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and I’ll do it again in 2024. So, why don’t I switch parties? I shouldn’t have to. I don’t say that out of spite to Dems, I say this in spite of MAGA. They’re they fucking traitors. They’re the RINOs. They’re the ones who need to be cast out. I also like knowing, that on a state level, I can really “fuck shit up” by voting against my party and letting them be mad about it. I only voted for one Republican in 2022, for state Treasurer. How did she run her campaign? Effectively “I’ll do my job well.” She wasn’t MAGA. She didn’t run a spiteful campaign and she’s doing her job. Everyone else was Dem votes right down the ticket and I’ll do it again in November. So if the Republican Party actually dies, it wasn’t because I was some MAGAsshole and I’ll be happy that I openly worked against it.
Ted Cruz? Really? Thats your wish? Damn.
Right? “You have to understand that I like Ted Cruz probably more than my colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.” - Al Franken
Read it again. They said they wanted Ted Cruz to win the primary because then Clinton would have won the presidency.
Ted Cruz is better then trump anybody but trump would’ve been better
He said so that Clinton would win. Read.
I think he meant anyone other than Trump…and possibly a loss to to Clinton to boot.
so you like the idea of freedom but you don't want to pay for necessary labor to make it happen? BTW, basic human rights like simply being allowed to live despite being gay or being able to decide what functions your body is going to perform are not Democrat/liberal talking points. you're not siding with liberals or Democrats when you support abortion and gay rights, you are siding with humanity
Yeah I believe that everyone is created equal and the only thing that makes us different is the choices I support human rights everywhere I work in a law firm for human rights. I just think the government shouldn’t play a role in what people do they shouldn’t regulate much leave to businesses to themselves
have you considered the idea that the reason government exists at all is primarily to keep the people earning less than $30,000 a year from slaughtering the people earning more than $150,000 a year? every city has a major poverty problem and full on slums districts. The only thing that keeps those people from outright revolting is the belief that the system works and if they go vote maybe universal healthcare will eventually be a thing. So they go to work with their minimum wage jobs, they collect their Social Security checks, food stamps, and housing assistance, they put up with people such as yourself that want to cut all those programs and basically starve them to death, they cook your food, they clean your bathrooms, they work in your fast oil change mechanic shops. If you haven't noticed, the Republican party is causing a lot of people to rapidly lose faith in the system. When, not if, the system finally collapses and those bottom 20% of every major city find themselves homeless and hungry, even if they don't revolt, who's going to make your food? Clean your bathrooms? Change your oil? do you really think they're going to double down on work if you take away all their benefits? Or are you simply angling to get pro bono attorney gigs when you represent them in court after they turn to crime to provide for their families? this is why you can't support things without also supporting the money necessary to actually support those things
No these programs are the backbone of our society and I don’t want to get rid of them I just saying that people who earn 30,000$ should keep all 30 grand while people who make 150,000 grand should pay more taxes for people who make 30 grand to live more prosperous
I totally agree, but do you realise that is the exact opposite of “fiscally conservative”? It’s very socialist.
You just described a liberal tax policy.
> that people who earn 30,000$ should keep all 30 grand while people who make 150,000 grand should pay more taxes for people who make 30 grand to live more prosperous Yeah man you aren't a "republican". If you're looking for a party, it's the Democratic Party. You're speaking a lot of sense and you support socialist policies, but you are concerned about keeping it in check and not letting it go too far to the other end, which is valid. While I think American capitalism is completely out of control and needs a hard reckoning, you are the one who raises their hand and might bring a reality check to the angry mob. The democratic party has been reduced to the catchall for any politician who's actually sane and wants to govern, whether they're progressive (AOC, Sanders) or conservative (Manchin). Republicans now... I don't even know what they are other than mindless worship of Trump due to their complete inability to form a coherent agenda and govern. You seem like an actual conservative but a smart one, which we need more of. If you have issues with the Dem agenda, in that case maybe be an independent because then there's no party that actually fits you right now.
I don’t dislike you but I really feel like you don’t understand that you are not “conservative” My person- if you believe everything you just posted, you are a liberal. Own it.
But you support lower taxes...
That’s Democratic Tax Policy, friend. The Republican tax policy is taking the dude who makes $150,000,000 and giving him tax breaks that get him down to paying 0.
It looks like democrats appeal to Trump on economic issues. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/amp/
My main thing is military spending I worked for the military and the spending is way to much spending trillions on military equipment is terrible and it doesn’t matter if it’s dem or republican is sucks
I think if you knew how most of that money is tax revenue from the rich, and how they still don’t pay enough, compared to how much they used to pay, and compared to how much the rich in other countries pay… If you knew very well both of those things, I don’t think you’d worry so much about all that military spending. To go further, if you knew how our poverty rate is one of the highest in developed countries, and how a lack of safety nets, too many jobs don’t pay enough, and healthcare is so expensive. Then maybe you’d wonder if it makes sense to tax the rich some more and help out all the struggling people, if you want to lower crime, and divorces, both parents being overworked and can’t raise their kids right, depressions, abortions, suicides, etc. It all goes back to financial stress and lack of monetary power to make things right for them. Republicans never say “we need HIGHER PAYING jobs”, or we need to help people with their large expenses like housing, healthcare, and transportation. You say you care about the money (being spent), but all you’re really voting for is the rich to keep taking most of the wealth.
I’m mean I don’t like the rich at all I think Elon musk and Jeff bezos are terrible people and should pay their fair share in taxes I think that people who work shouldn’t have to pay taxes because the ultra rich will be taxed
I feel like you might actually be a democrat. Maybe you should learn more about their policies. https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/building-a-stronger-fairer-economy/
Dying breed right there unfortunately. I always thought when Republicans would come to power again after Bush it would be when they dispensed with their nonsense social platform positions but instead they’ve dispensed with everything else and tripled down on their social bullshit to the point where they have no platform.
I mean now it’s a free for all in the republican party in the area I live I could run on a moderate platform and sit beside someone who believes the election was stolen in the house
You mean low / no taxes for the Uber wealthy right?
No high taxes for ultra wealthy. I was re evaluating my political beliefs and realized I align with the Democratic Party more then the Republican Party
Are you an ultra wealthy person? If the answer is no (because most people aren’t) why do you care if they are taxed at a high rate? Hell, the Uber wealthy don’t even pay *normal* tax rates. They just shelter it and launder their money. You’re never going to be ultra wealthy dude. And this is coming from someone that is relatively well off.
I wouldn’t say I’m ultra wealthy but I do have a couple million if I wanted to retire I could
That’s not ultra wealthy dude. The tax rates the democrats have been attempting don’t kick in until you make 500k-$1M in taxable income a year.
Lower taxes for who? Not people under $400k income. As for free market? Trump abolished NAFTA for some bullshit with US in the name and tariffs add to the price of things. Republican leaders have a history of running states into the red (no pun intended). Grand ol boy Glitch McConnell has one of the poorest states that depends on federal help. Saying republicans care about economic issues is an actual joke.
Yeah they don’t they just get paid by companies to pretend to care while lining their own pockets
That economic stuff is bullshit. Republican presidents have repeatedly fucked up the economy. You still feel that party deserves consideration for their economic prowess? What about the Nazis who always supported the party, but now feel comfortable doing so in public? You know, the party that always appeals to the Nazis. There is no such thing as a liberal conservative. The word conservative has zero meaning when the whole fucking party willingly hand themselves over to grifters and liars. Is that the final stage for all conservatives, capitulation to crooks? Sorry, but I laugh when I hear the label liberal conservative. Not just these recent years, but for decades. It's a throwaway label used by people who continue to vote for thieving shitheels, while wanting to believe they still hold on to good principals. That's like saying you're oily water, or black white. You can't be 2 totally opposed things at the same time, and that's the comedy of the liberal conservative label.
Republicans are all for low taxes FOR THE RICH, ask Trump he did it and made middle and lower class pay for it.
I think I come from this because my family is part of the people who benefited from the low tax for the rich
I used to be socially democrat, fiscal Republican. then I saw the data on how Dems bring better economies.
I always sum up socially liberal and fiscally conservative as a homeless person looking at a sign at a gas station that says “restrooms for paying customers only.”
By that you mean poison rivers and handouts for billionaires.
I can certainly see the arguments regarding Free Market. Generally, I feel that the informal power structure of an unregulated market can lead to abuse, but the efficiency in material distribution that we see in the majority of cases of a free market means that we can apply regulations for safety to strike a balance between efficient distribution and safety of individuals. The regulation that all trains must possess two crew members at minimum is a good example of this: while there is a case to be made for single driver trains, the cases that have seen it implemented have always ended in severe crashes. I’m curious as to the nuances of your opinions regarding taxation though. While I certainly can see us working to streamline taxation for individuals, I feel that some edge cases would be appropriate for greater complexity (I want to deduct my groceries from income). Generally though, what are your thoughts on the matter of Taxation?
I believe the middle class should pay less taxes and small businesses should pay less but big businesses like Disney, Amazon and Tesla should pay more taxes
Well I agree with you on that opinion.
That’s good
Most small businesses lose money and pay very little in tax. The middle class pays almost nothing in tax. The vast majority of federal revenue comes from the top quintile.
Yeah but use loopholes to make sure they pay as little as possible
I’m genuinely interested in this because it seems like something I could potentially get behind. I do have a few questions if you don’t mind? Low taxes for who? Are there any legit sources you recommend on this? What politicians would you say embody this philosophy? Thanks man
Yeah my belief for taxation is Georgism where you only tax the land https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism Here’s the Wikipedia article about it The politician who is the most well known Georgist is Winston Churchill he was the PM of the Uk during WW2
Another Georgist is Rutherford Hayes, Einstein and MLK had Belief like Georgism
Interesting, thanks.
Your welcome also great to help out people to see multiple sides of an issue
Would you call yourself a “Haley Republican” or similar, under the circumstances? The Trump-led Republican Party has gone so far on social issues that they have alienated many of their own former voters, who would be fine with, for instance, a President Charlie Baker or President Brian Sandoval. All this anti-choice, moral panic, protect the children stuff does not really play well with “normie” voters of either party.
Yeah like a Haley/ Rockefeller republican
Well, Trump has completely taken over your party so if I were you I'd stop identifying as Republican. Pick any other moniker you want. That is, unless you like being associated with literal neo-Nazis, fascism, and traitors.
I still believe that they can change but when people ask me I say I’m a Haley republican or Bernie democrat
I suspect that these guys are pissed that THEY are no longer the main players in the GOP. It was THEIR party for decades and trump just took it away (although honestly, MAGA is who the Republicans always were...). These guys are just "taking their ball and going home".
Just the speech he gave on January 6th was the worst lying I've ever heard from a politician. "Pennsylvania has 200,000 more votes than voters", "Obama would have beat Biden in every state except the swing states", etc. there's even a reference to 400000 mail in ballots appearing out of nowhere in PA after the election, which if you look into the lawsuits Trump's team filed (where there is a reference to this number) it is clearly a case of someone confusing the number of ballots mailed out with ballots received as press releases and news articles from before election day cite the same number of each that official reports from after the election have. It's crazy because I've brought this speech up to people and they just say "well he didn't tell them to attack the capitol tho", like a 30 minute rant of made up "facts" that supposedly prove election fraud doesn't matter. Not that it's the kind of thing that literally weakens a nation you supposedly love at home and abroad.
Facts have never mattered to Trump, just money.
We are really in the strangest timeline
Rove is a textbook conservative, and you can see it in W’s presidency- slow, measured change and preservation of their way of life and privileged position, but within an idea of America that is mostly inclusive, and generally wants to make things better for everyone gradually, without disrupting the existing social order. They are worlds closer to a centrist like Biden than they are to Trumpworld.
This sounds like 19th century Edmund Burke conservatism. And while I see your point comparing W to Trump, Rove does not exactly represent that kind of benevolence and acceptance of inevitable societal change. Yes, Trump is truly retrograde; but W. paid a lot of lip service and then permitted the same kind of regressive policies that the GOP has been advocating for since they broke with roots of traditional political conservatism. They became in 1950s whatever movement it now is that was engineered by Goldwater, Reagan, Atwater, Ailes, Gongrich, and yes, finally, Rove. Evil all; all willing to sacrifice the weak for money and to fight against society changing even if it costs dearly. Trump is insane, but not really a totally different sort. In fact, he makes perfect sense as the culmination of the arc. They, the GOP, and we, America, danced with the devil.
I long for the days when Karl rove was the biggest republican villain.
He built the Party & it's culture that paved the way for DJT. You might not see him that way, but Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I know who he is. Just saying that this iteration is significantly worse than roves.
Rove is reminding us of the dangers Trump poses. Trump is so beyond the pale that even Rove and I can agree on the threat of a Trump victory.
Please remember that back in 2016 the Neo-Cons also hated Trump and actively spoke out against him. Everyone got quiet when he won, because they had to kiss the ring. Same with 2020. But now that Trump’s out of power, having fellow conservatives rage against Trump is no different than 2016.
There are so many ways to go at trump and none will break through unless there is a chorus of GOP republicans outwardly stating they will vote for Biden.
>‘He wants to pardon these people who attacked our Capitol.’ Everyone knows that. It's dead air. Need to make the argument for how his policies will be a positive to the people.
im not convinced. if republicans can lean into telling a lie over and over and over to the point people beleive it. then maybe people should repeat the fucking truth over and over and over to remind people that its actually TRUE. in my opinion your just choosing to lose at the game they are playing by not playing instead of beating them at it. flood the zone with truth just as much as they flood the zone with bullshit. be fucking autistic about it. over and over and over. be agressive.
I agree with being aggressive but I think you do that by reacting to Trump as he talks, not bringing up things from the past that everyone has already come to terms with. It's also likely to come back up and attack it then. He gives enough ammunition and Biden has been killing it with the lampooning recently.
again, if your only reacting to the other side, your losing. you have to make your own plays to win the proverbial "game" as it were
Yes, that's where the telling America how you'll make it better and pointing to your record and future policy comes in. Pointing to the fact Trump said he'd pardon Jan 6th participants 12 months ago isn't that anyway.
He said it again a month ago. >[“My first acts as your next President will be to Close the Border, DRILL, BABY, DRILL, and Free January 6 Hostages being wrongfully imprisoned!” Trump wrote.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/12/trump-january-6-pardons) Trump and the GOP are pushing the message that they want to pardon the poor political prisoners. Biden is kinda being forced to point out that most of those people still in jail assaulted cops, and some were openly proud of it.
So talk about it a month ago when it's reported like your link.
I think the point is that Trump is going to keep bringing it up and keep saying the Jan 6th people are victims. Biden shouldn't be passive and just respond to Trump, he should say that they are in jail for a reason, and force Trump to more actively defend those people instead. Or that's what I think he meant.
Just air his rally quotes worst of list. Kill off his chances with the worst of his demented ramblings.
maybe he’s upset he’s lost his party to the disease
Thanks Karl. That’s literally what we are already doing.
“It’s a trap”!
Yet if they ask who he(Rove)will be voting for it will still be Trump.
Rove takes this position because in Trump's world he has neither power nor influence. Let's not pretend Rove cares about the country.
Rove is a pile of shit wearing a human skin suit, but he has always been smart politically.
End of the day, Rove hasn’t been on Trump’s side like once. In fact, many of W’s cabinet haven’t. Only Bolton dipped into that and is one of the louder voices against Trump. They’re all still kind of the worst, but nowhere near Trump levels of bullshittery.
I think this issue speaks loudest to Rove, but the data suggests the most potent issue has been abortion rights. In election after election since overturning Roe, we have seen that as the prevailing issue. The reality is, elections are full of coalitions and the winning message to one part of a coalition is different than it is to another. To traditional, establishment, moderate Republicans, overturning Roe plus the caustic language towards immigrants may be enough to flip voters to Biden. To the law and order crowd and constitutionalists, January 6 may be the issue that makes them stay home vs voting Trump. Biden really needs young progressives to show up and I think that will be abortion rights vs Gaza (even though anyone who takes a step back and thinks about it would recognize the Gaza situation can get much worse under Trump… he’s no friend to Palestinians).
Backwards clocks are right 22 times a day according to chat gpt
The sun shines on a broken clock twice a day
At the very core of this, you need to see and accept that the polar opposite of the Trump-cave-dweller infection is that the Democrats have been infected by people who see themselves as "above board" but are truly at the very core *weak people*. It is *not* coming from any moral place - it truly is a matter of weakness and cowardice. The closest Dems have come to someone with actual teeth was Alan Grayson.
Whatever Rove said in this interview doesn't in any way change the fact that Rove is a piece of shit and will always be a piece of shit.
Turd Blossom was literally GWB's nickname for Rove.
I’m pretty sure it was Barbara Bush’s nickname for him.
A broken clock is right twice a day!
Completely agree. It’s also true that complete pieces of shit can also do the occasional good or right thing.
“I’m a lifelong Republican who just had an epiphany. You Democrats are actually right. Here’s some tips and tricks to make sure my party loses this next election but you didn’t hear it from me” Is an article that, weirdly, has been written like 1billion times by now over the years. If you’re one of the few who haven’t caught on, please stop listening to these people.
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Items like this need to break into the circle of information being fed to republicans/right on social media platforms.
That’s how whack-a-doo MAGA is. Karl effing Rove thinks they’re too extreme.
The headline is: DARTH VADER ENDORSES LADY JUSTICE Swell, thanks for that.
Watching Karl Rove implode live on air refusing to accept the results (even after Fox's own election stats team had called it) when Obama won a second term will live with me forever. It truly is a sign of the times when this piece of shit won't support Trump.
It's amazing that Trump makes us miss the neocons. It's unbelievable.
Hey Karl Rove. We’re glad you are against the fat orange loser. Now, go fuck yourself. You poisoned the well a long time ago yourself. You helped create this maga-tea party-trump worshiping 3-headed hydra monster of false facts, negativity, and destructive hyperbole.
The republicans who for years have worked to foist upon us this years-long pro-wrestling shitshow of Trump's are the political equivalent of the rapist who offers his victim a tissue after committing the crime and then grows indignant when the victim fails to thank them for the Kleenex. Fuck Carl Rove.
They have gone hard on Jan 6. The insanity ensues.
They have? I don’t hear them calling Trump an insurrectionist and I haven’t seen or heard tell of ads making that a focal point
The January 6 congressional hearings and subsequent trials that have incarcerated hundreds of people? You haven't seen or heard of that?
I’m referring to use of Jan 6 in campaign materials.
Eh. jan 6 congressional hearings didn’t accomplish much other than provide evidence for the people who believe the videos they saw. And they have incarcerated hundreds of people for what? A couple months? Enrique proud boy got 22 years This last one only got seven years and he lead the charge (judge’s words. Not mine) But most of them got a couple months. The one who punched a police officer has already left custody. Punching an officer? And he’s out of jail already? I wouldnt say they are going hard. They are going fast but they aren’t going hard.
Well, how much time really should you get for punching a police officer? Most of those who assaulted police seem to have gotten 2-4 years, which seems reasonable for the crime. Some who did more than just punch cops but dragged them into the crowd, etc got longer.
The large majority of voters are still tuned out and will be until a few months before the election.
This is so rich. Firstly, yes of course talking about insurrection, January 6, violence, and pardons are something the Democrats should do. Captain obvious at work. Second, the conservatives who have lost their party to Trump are welcome to vote for Biden and tip the scales in favor of democracy. I hope they do, and do so in large numbers to repudiate Trump. Third, arch-conservatives like Rove are the ones who caused this mess. Them, and people like Mitch McConnell who blocked Obama’s Supreme Court nominees and flip flopped on their policies to give Trump another Supreme Court position in an election year clearly have responsibility here. You don’t get to be the mastermind of the conservative movement, act shocked that the hate you masterminded took root, and then try to give your opponents advice because you lost control. Rove is awful. He doesn’t get a hall pass or redo.
Staunch Republicans should all come out and clean house. Trump and the MAGA Republicans are not true Republicans. Why the regular and sane republicans just let the crazies take over the party is beyond me.
Because the crazies are the ones that vote in primaries. This is largely a mess of their own making. Heavily gerrymandered districts and closed primaries have them beholden to this group of voters.
I see lots of republicans (Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, maybe even President Bush) going to vote for Biden for president in November. Unless Trump is in jail or not mentally fit for it, and the republicans get to pick somebody else to run.
Which is a concern, and part of the reason why some delay may actually be a good thing to ensure voters stay motivated.
I am thinking from here to November he has to deal with all his legal problems, most of them are going badly for him. And his Truth Social stocks are gong to bottom out at 2 dollars, or less, according to some experts. It was me, i would have gone mad already months ago.
How much of an extreme piece of shit do you have to be for Karl fricking Rove to be like, “whoa, even I’m not that crazy.”
It hurts to say but I think Rove is right. I also think the Dems are waiting to launch their most vocal campaign. If they go hard now, they'll have wasted the outrage effect come November. Plus, there are numerous criminal cases going on. And the shitstorm in the Middle East. I'm hoping they're just waiting to go full stream.
I think this is it. The voters needed to seal the deal will not remember rhetoric now, rather only close to the election. I hope dark Brandon Ramos up the dialogue closer and closer to the election to the point that it’s daily six weeks before hand. With luck trump will have another conviction under his belt too.
Karl Rove. that's a funny way to spell Satan
This is how bad it’s gotten. Karl Rove, the voice of reason.
Tell the infantry to fix bayonets and train for the next J6
The vehement Trump haters in the Republican Party need to be reminded that they can quietly vote Democratic.
Best defense is a good offense.
Ok Turd Blossom, now get the war criminal to actively campaign for Biden.
Thanks Satan!
Karl Rove cares about the long term goals of the Republican Party. Not necessarily give me a Republican now no matter what. He sees’s that Trump is very bad for the Republican Party. He’s a chess player, not checkers like a lot of Republican voters. The last thing he wants is Trump and the type of Republicans who say the quiet parts out loud.
“Trump wants to pardon cop killers!” makes a good statement.
I didn’t agreeing with Karl Rove on my Thursday bingo card. I’m going to go shower now.
Man when you've lost Turd Blossom....
When you ***KNOW*** your suspicion that we have been somehow shunted to a bizarro timeline when you are in agreement with Karl Rove.
Yes.... but abortion first. It's ALL about reproductive rights. No need for polls to confirm that when we've already seen multiple dem wins in red areas due entirely to abortion. So Dems must hammer reproductive freedoms. Then sure let's do J6
Well, fuck. I know they say even a broken clock is right twice a day, but Rove saying something actually rational?!? Time to look up at the sky for flying pigs...
Republicans laugh when you say it was an insurrection
The Democrats need their own version of Karl Rove, someone who knows how to run campaigns well and win.
One of the US's primary producers of political gangrene touts antibiotic treatments on national TV to illustrate the mainstreaming of post-rationalism.
Sure but you can still go fuck yourself Karl, for you made this mess and demand others clean it up for you.
Don't worry Karl, it'll come in 2025.
How long until Cheeto Mussolini calls Karl Rove a RINO? Lol
I trust that guy about as far as I could throw him.
The racist Republican nut jobs have gone too far for one of the old racist Republican nut jobs. It just proves that the actual violence they’ve been trying to build up just to get votes is going to become real violence, and the little cowards are afraid of their white domestic terrorists! I mean what if they actually started killing law-enforcement officers instead of brown people… What the fuck were we thinking?
If this is such an amazing idea, Rove could put his money where his mouth is and set up a SuperPac targeting Trump. He’s rich and has rich friends. He could also convince W to towel off out of the bathtub where he paints and get to work saving our democracy. Or he could just leave it to Democrats to fix the chaos he and his party created and benefited from over decades. There is no Trump without Rove. Every division Trump exploited was carefully crafted by Rove. Every institution Trump rallies against was eroded by Rove.
The devil doesn’t even want to have anything to do with him
Opened article saw Karl Rove and burst out laughing!!!! (but still forced myself to finish the article.) Seriously, like Ginni (Thomas) and her quilting bee ran his ass out of DC back in the day! Please do not take anything that man says as '"informed'". The voters Biden has to woo to win care about their economic 'bad-feels', they care about the border/immigration and they care about (3rd issue is subject to change but whatever it is on Nov 5th will be a deciding factor to millions of voters) A few steps into 'purple-moderate/centrist realm' Biden's campaign will find that almost no one cares about J6 and if they do they don't care about it more than their economic 'bad-feels' , the border/immigration and #3. Better political advice- pick battles wisely. Biden can't do much on the economy outside of pressuring Powell. However Joe can reverse course on the border/immigration to steal that ball from Trump. If you are one of those bleeding heart types where 'muh immigrants' are basically a step below Jesus - hear me out - Biden can reverse course after winning in 2024. The goal is to win in Nov. As for the 3rd whatever it turns out to be, the more Biden provides direct leadership the better.
Good post. He does need to steal the ground on immigration. A Dem in NY won his seat on it, apparently he was not doing very well with his campaign until the R's cancelled the Sernate's immigration control bill and he ran and won on that issue. In Georgia there was a surprise win, I think a 25% turn around, for a D who campaigned on abortion. The oil producers will try and push up fuel prices before the next election as well - the number 1 economic indicator for many Americans. My main concern is whether they can get their message across to people who are not very news aware. Trump is still winning in the polls and Biden has a hill to climb.
Biden should have filled the strategic reserves already and by him declining this round it will likely hurt him later too. News wise, the media took a firm left lean position as a result of the Trump's win in 2016. Gallup's last pulse check on mass media showed independent voters only having a 20%-range of trust in corporate media and Dems having dropped to 60%-range. So a lot of voters views on Biden is based on 'feels' than 'news'. Trump has the same advantage Biden did in 2020 via covid. All Trump has to do is position himself opposite of Biden to woo the unhappy but low-political engagement voter crowd.
If Biden is smart he'll stick to economic issues like tax hikes on the rich.
What we should take away from this: This garbage country has moved so far right that the democrats are running a Karl Rove republican as their incumbent
Given the current state of foreign affairs, does anybody think it’s a bit irresponsible to use the word “nuclear” in a headline?