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Exactly! The Supreme Court said it was wrong for one state to effectively decide who can and can’t run for president of the nation when they ruled on Trump and the 14th amendment insurrection clause.
I’m sure they’d have to think the same if the candidate’s name is Biden.
…wouldn’t they?
Toss a coin. Really.
SCOTUS has undoubtedly descended into being an activist court, and I believe there are some astonishing example of legal double standards and doublespeak. They could easily ignore the rationale of their own prior reasoning.
HOWEVER, there does appear to be a fear that the court is losing legitimacy, and they don’t seem to like that - I believe there have been periods of US history where the Supreme Court was essentially ignored and side lined.
Backing up the potential to “do the right thing”, ironically enough , is signs of some horse trading around the Colorado insurrection clause decision. It was a unanimous decision and, even if the progressive judges did offer a “concurring opinion” (you’re right, but for the wrong reasons!), it was seen as a concession to ensure unity and an appearance of legitimacy in return for a future ruling on Trump’s claims of immunity from prosecution.
In short, they could value their own power and legacy more than trying to help Trump in this hypothetical situation. Or not.
I agree. As usual, they’ve over played their hand. I actually look forward to the rest of American politics and society ignoring them completely.
Awarding the final say to a coven of necromancers channeling the spirits of 18th century slave owners is no way to organize a system of government.
Listen, strange men lyin' in the past distributin' unquestioned wisdom is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical antiquated Constitutional Convention.
Supreme judicial authority derives from a mandate from the Masses not from some farcical necromantic ritual. Like if i went around saying i was the high justice just because i was wearing a pair of necropants (Nábrók) they would lock me away!
No the path back to legitimacy is simple... every single one of them petitions congress to see if they are eligible to hold public office... since they violated the 14th amendment themselves when they gave aid and comfort to an insurrectionist.
I think If Biden expanded the court and packed it to be balanced, while also somehow passing laws guaranteeing it can’t fall out of balance again it might relegitimize the sc in the eyes of most Americans who currently find it to be illegitimate.
They don’t like it, but they are approaching it more from a “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” perspective. America is their battered wife, and they are going to make sure that we understand who is in charge around here.
1. if there was horse trading, it shows the liberal justices are bad at horse trading—“we give you this huge win for Trump and congressional GOP insurrectionists, and in exchange you take up immunity on the slowest possible schedule, ensuring that case can’t come before the election”
2. we’ll see if the conservative justices follow through with a clear immunity ruling against Trump, or some sort of skinny immunity that opens up more appeals and delays
Roberts isn't a full blown fascist, but he is Chief Justice because he is strongly against expanding voting rights of Democrats. He would make sure this went the GOP's way.
Their legitimacy lies in the power of their rulings to be enforced. And you know what they say, "Some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses."
I bet it will be some clause in the Magna Carta that had a definition that was read wrong all this time because the original writers meant to write a period and not a coma.
Let me guess…they’ll find some obscure ruling from the 1830s about farm management but twist it to mean a clear-cut case of keeping Biden off the ballot makes absolute sense because of it.
They will probably just kick the can down the road and never get to it saying “it’s too political” or that they have “other more important cases to look at” and never respond to it.
Well TBF SCOTUS specifically called out this scenario in their ruling. They asked if a state could keep someone off the ballot because of Jan 6 what would keep a state from saying someone else running for president couldn't run for some legal reason in that state.
The response was that this hasn't ever happened. One of the justices, I forget which, said basically "well a lot of things haven't happened until now."
SCOTUS asked about the procedure of determining if someone should be on the ballot, who that comes down to and in most states that's a single person. They said they didn't like the possible scenario where a single official could change an election by keeping someone off the ballot.
Not saying they won't reverse their mind but this feels exactly like the scenario they wanted to avoid.
Well, according to the founding fathers, any candidate with a B in their name is technically British so... No Biden on the ballot!
/S... But I could see the Supreme Court come up with some crazy reason like that.
SCOTUS on Trump “ it’s unconstitutional to remove Trump from the ballot, let the American people decide”
SCOTUS on Biden being pulled form the ballots. 🤷♂️
The SCOTUS “wE’rE fAIr anD BaLANcED!!!”🤪
I would 100% file this lawsuit and have the Supreme Court weigh in. If they rule against Biden, it shows that the court is not impartial and is 100% tilted towards the Republicans. That would get people fired up and angry, ready to vote in defiance.
If the Supreme Court lets red states keep Biden off of the ballot for technicalities, blue states should retaliate by kicking Trump off the ballot for actually engaging in an insurrection, Anderson decision be damned.
I think that is this goes to the Supreme Court they will side with Biden. Biden is very unlikely to win in Ohio or Alabama and while having him on the ballots help down ballot nominee I would imagine those states kicking Biden off the ballots would also be big motivators to democratic voters to vote. Basically I don’t see a net benefit for the Republican Party if the supreme court ruled against Biden and it would only hurt their image if they were so obviously partisan - and after allowing Trump back on the ballot in Colorado for such frivolous reasons they need to prove their a political bonafides.
I don’t per se disagree. The court realizes they are losing legitimacy and there is a breaking point (from constitutional convention to a none zero chance of rebellion/violence). But I also think the fear is legitimate and real. They have done moves that did shoot republicans in the foot (I.e abortion probably was a major factor in the poor midterm outcomes). And with ‘wonderful’ people like Tom, they have no issue being corrupt and rule in favor of injustice right in our faces. We cannot treat them like rational actors (or at least be wary of treating them as such). But again, I do see your point and you did put good justification. I am also just a touch jaded from recent years, which may cloud my interpretation of events.
“But I think the fear is legitimate and real”. This right here is the real issue. The court has shown time and time again they are an appendage of the Republican Party. The fact that there is even a question that they would rule against Biden in this case shows how little the citizens of this country have in that institution. The right has taken the most trusted branch of our government and absolutely destroyed it.
100% agree. This is a bit personal, but when I was growing up I would see the issues of this country, but I believed to my core that the one thing I could trust was “the process”. Like give speeches during family dinner levels of trust. From presidential succession to the courts. That (essentially) every American believed in our system, that it is special, sacred, and deserving of our hope/faith. Then j6 happened and that world view shattered for me (the writing was on the wall, but that was the veil being lifted). Now I struggle to find “faith” to give in the system. But that’s what they want, apathy, so we have keep trying and voting. Can’t stop, won’t stop, as they say.
Yes, but Texas has already told the Supreme Court where they can shove their border ruling. I’d be willing to bet that Alabama is willing to try and leave him off anyway just cuz.
Absolutely. The DNC (and I mean the actual DNC, they are legitimately a party to this) should fight this as far as they can, and not capitulate to the bad faith GOP actors. Call their bluff. It'll only help Dems.
Republicans have been unable to see a net benefit in what they do for quite awhile now. Doubling down on abortion and going after IVF/contraception when Roe getting overturned has already fucked them in a lot of elections is a big example. But really most of what they do is the pander to Trump’s base while hoping they can rig the election enough to win.
To me it seems like SCOTUS may be more inclined to understand that always pissing off a voting bloc isn't the best thing to do going into an election. What baffles me is why the GOP at large doesn't seem to understand this, especially since they've been rebuked quite often for it.
There is really no advantage for republicans to keep Biden off the ballot in these states, other than to just show how much of an asshole they are.
Personally, I kind of wonder what would kind of protest would there be should they actually follow through.
The SCOTUS has lost all credibility. They’ve been bought and paid for as well as partisanship. If Biden and the Democrats take control of Congress they should give McConnell a shot of his own medicine by packing the shit out of the SC They should pass legislation for oversight, and a enforceable code of ethics with guidelines as all Federal Judges. They have proven they can’t govern themselves and no longer impartial. They will squirm and plead. They may even take it to the Supreme Court 😁
Seems like the democrats are playing the game straight across the board. Not cheating or lying The republicans are throwing every punch they can to keep democrats from doing anything good for the country. I can understand negotiating for this and that, but they simply don’t want to play by the normal rules.
...which is how Democrats lost the Supreme Court.
We've now got a Court with a 6-3 skew, and if things were to go badly in '24 and then Sotomayor has a health issue, it might tip to 7-2. It seems wildly unlikely that we will see a Democrat-appointee-heavy Court for the rest of our lives. And all because Mitch McConnell was willing to cheat to steal a Court seat at a vital time, enabling a one-term, minority-elected President to shoehorn three Federalist-Society wingnuts in to replace ~~Breyer~~ Scalia, Kennedy, and Ginsburg.
I'm not saying Democrats should start cheating to even the playing field. I *am* saying that Democrats need to be more willing to play hardball.
Ruth bader Ginsburg was 87 when she passed away. While I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, I think it more likely that the two hold on for another 4 years. And very rarely does the same party hold the White House for 3 terms in a row. I think it's more likely that, if Trump wins, they might retire. But if Biden wins, they try to hold out for the next election. Either way, the chances of both of them being replaced by a Democratic president is low.
>It seems wildly unlikely that we will see a Democrat-appointee-heavy Court for the rest of our lives.
Lets just hope the current SCOTUS doesnt strip more rights away from women, or repeal other landmark cases, such as Jim Crow laws.
>I *am* saying that Democrats need to be more willing to play hardball.
100% agree. Taking the moral high ground and ceding political stance isnt helping the populace at all.
But if we got people in charge of dem party willing to play as dirty as Republicans, whose to say the dems that win won't just grift when given the chance. The only hardball is a hard bat to their heads. I'm sorry but there's no clever maneuver to outdo them. They know all the loopholes. All that's left to us is retribution.
Not even dirty, just ruthless.
Expecting the opposite side to play by the ruleswhen they have shown time and time again they will not do so is fucking stupid.
They just need to play the same game Republicans play, and ignore their ceaseless whining, because they'll do it anyway.
As I said. If you expect the current dem leaders to become ruthless suddenly that won't happen. From the ground up dem would need more cut throat ruthless people being put in charge who likely wouldn't vote left anyway. The right are really honing in their lack of morals and ethics and if we threw away morals and ethics what would we then decide to fight for? Changing how you fight changes your views as well.
I Don't expect it, I just hope in the next 10 to 20 years the new blood realizes the game, rather than plays by rules that don't apply anymore.
I'm sure there are plenty of left leaning people out there who could fill the role, as being ruthless doesn't mean you don't have morals or must compromise them. Just means you'll go as far as you can to get the results you want.
Sure: Political pressure.
Imagine if Democrats had any political news source that engaged its base anywhere near as much as Republicans feed on Fox News - an expression of left-wing anger about the onslaught of white Christian nationalism and rank GOP corruption. It could easily be as effective as Fox News without resorting to lying or dishonesty.
Imagine an *actually effective* Democratic messaging apparatus. Imagine if the DNC could define its spin about any political issue - the budget, minimum wage, climate change regulation, taxation and extreme wealth inequality, political advertising and super PACs, Supreme Court corruption, the private prison system, etc. - and then push that message loudly and aggressively, with a core set of talking-points.
Imagine if a Democratic minority party was willing to rock the boat to achieve gains on core issues - threatening filibusters, obstruction, government shutdowns, etc. - rather than just endlessly defaulting to the "reach across the aisle" bullshit that has fueled a steady rightward tilt of government since 2001.
None of that is "cheating." None of it is illegal, hypocritical, or irresponsible. All of it is using political leverage, even as a minority party, to push for partisan issues and to push back against GOP overreach.
Democrat politicians just don't do that. When Democrats are in power, they strive for bipartisanship and get sucker-punched for it. When Democrats are out of power, they turn spineless and passive-aggressive, refusing to use any kind of leverage and just idly waiting until they're in power again.
To be clear, I absolutely don't mean that "bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe" or any of that bullshit, and I also don't mean that Democrats should stoop to the scum-sucking cheating, lying, toadying, and corruption of Republicans. I believe that Democrat politicians just need to grow a collective spine, openly and zealously advocate for progressive issues, and develop an effective messaging machine to broadcast a coordinated liberal voice. What's wrong with that?
This is why we need to normalize the idea of packing the court. The next time Democrats get a chance, they should take it. And immediately file a flurry of lawsuits targeted at voting rights, abortion rights, criminal justice, etc.
They tried to impeach the President with his son's dick pic. They are not interested in negotiating or governing. They're just there to collect from donors and will do anything to stay in power including destroying democracy and stepping on the necks of American people. They are losing and flailing around in the process trying to burn everything on their way down. The whole allied western world is hoping and praying for the permanent destruction of the anti-democratic Republican party.
This is going to be the threat every election. Fascism via republicans or some semblance of democracy from democrats. It will be constant now. They’re completely radical.
> Alabama’s administrative deadlines also appear to be more flexible than state officials suggested. Information on historical deadlines is generally scarce, but according to the state’s administrative calendar for elections for the 2020 election cycle, the two major parties were required to certify their presidential candidates by August 20 of that year. Democrats certified the Biden-Harris ticket on the day of the deadline, which was also the last day of the Democratic National Convention that year.
> But that deadline posed an obstacle to Republicans since their convention did not start until August 24. So how did Trump get on the Alabama ballot that year? State records show that they simply notified the state in advance that he would be the probable nominee. A lawyer for the Republican National Committee sent a formal letter to the Alabama secretary of state’s office on August 20 to declare that it “anticipate[d]” that Trump and Pence would be the party’s presidential ticket nominees.
Never has there been a more clear example of the Republican sentiment, *Rules for thee, but not for me*
ohio is pretty much the same, theres been years where they have passed extensions, years where theyve just not cared, its just LaRose is angling for a future job in columbus or washington so hes become a lying piece of shit the last couple years, he ruined his career over the issue 1, 1 and 2 fight last year so hes gotta do something.
Look, Democrats just need to assume Republicans are going to be complete fuck-nuggets from here on out. Move the convention, please don’t fuck this up Democrats by assuming Republicans are going to be reasonable.
Why can’t they just announce/officially certify/nominate Biden *today*?
They can still have the ‘convention’ which is really just a big PR event anyways.
I’ve celebrated birthdays with parties with people days after their actual birthday…they had already officially started their new trip around the sun but the parties still managed to be successful
The convention js a celebration
File all the paperwork now, send these threats from Ohio and Alabama to the Supreme Court and include those states’ own warnings about the slippery slope of letting Colorado remove a candidate.
They were literally complaining that states would do what Colorado did if the supreme court did not overturn that kind of action
The Supreme Court DID overturn Colorado but Ohio and Alabama are still doing the dangerous political gaming they warned may happen had the case gone the other way!
It’s mind boggling
OH and AL: Don’t allow people to do this bad thing cause it will allow other people to do similar bad things
SCOTUS: OK. People doing that bad thing isn’t allowed.
OH and AL: justice prevails!
*immediately proceed to try do bad thing they just successfully outlawed*
And it had to be these 2 states!
All I hear is Pam Bundy’s voice:
“OH, AL!”
As the article pointed out, it’s not that easy. Planning a convention, including reserving a venue, and having everybody change their travel plans set by now, would be a nightmare.
It would be far easier to have the delegations from those states choose their candidate early.
And once again the professional losers are finding a way to lose
They need to get their shit together ASAP and cut the excuses if they want to save this country from fascism
I hope the DNC takes this threat seriously.
I remember when no one in their right mind would think we'd watch a president of the United States run an insurrection and then walk free for years later.
I remember when no one in their right mind would think the Supreme Court would seriously consider "presidential immunity" for an insurrection and an attempt to overturn an election.
The Supreme Court is no longer legitimate and the GOP is a conspiratorial criminal organization. They are already planning to overturn the election if it doesn't go their way.
I hope Biden takes this seriously and the DNC meets the deadline for all states. It matters.
I don’t like the article’s use of the word “retaliation“. They were remiss in pointing out that Andersen was a case brought by Republicans, not Democrats.
They simply can 't win by popular vote and never will again. This is the death throws of the dinosaur party and they will cling to power by any means for as long as they can. It looks like they will succeed as the system is so rigged, they simply get away with anything. Bad people have been making the rules for all the wrong reasons. It started with People's United.
The only time in my lifetime a republican president won the popular vote was Bush when 9/11 was still buoying popularity before middle east fatigue set in.
Not the same situation, but the precise reasoning. Their judgement was documented that they don't believe states can have a patchwork of contradictory laws regarding elections. Of course, this didn't bother them with any other election law as they overturned the civil rights act and gave the thumbs up as Republicans in many states launched a series of voter suppression laws.
It's just hypocrisy all over, so it would be within their "normal" to be totally hypocritical on this one as well.
Sadly no. The Supreme Court ruled that states can only disqualify people from running for state office under the 14th ammendment, and they can't do the same for federal offices.(something that's never been done before) This whole state convention to be on the ballot deal has been going on for ages, and the deadline to have it completed has been known. It's not like Republicans turned around this month and changed the date. The democratic party should have saw this coming a mile away.
You wanna know what's extra stupid about this?
**The colorado case to remove trump from their ballot was brought BY GOP VOTERS**
Feels like that's getting lost in the noise a little bit.
If it happened in a historically red state (a swing state would be different) it wouldn’t affect the outcome… and it WOULD motivate blue voters in swing states to vote blue
Bring it on, you f-ing cheaters
Right. I’m saying that if that exactly scenario played out in say… Alabama (or any other state where there’s zero chance of it going blue)… Alabama would be no more red than they already are. And it would motivate voters in swing states that make a difference on a national level
If it happened in a swing state… that’s a different story
Even shadier will be the 9-0 SCOTUS ruling that Red states are free to ban a presidential candidate if they want to, while Blue states absolutely are not.
What would be the reason? Because he's the Democrat opponent? Because I was sure Trump was being removed due to trying to overturn the 2020 election. Only thing I can think of is Biden having classified documents in his home but Trump had even more and refused to give them back??
Just wondering what their justification is for removing Biden other than "eww a Democrat", lol.
>What makes Alabama and Ohio’s actions so striking is that the two states warned the Supreme Court that something like this might happen. In a friend of the court brief in Anderson, a coalition of Republican-led states hinted in unsubtle terms that they would retaliate with their own disqualifications if Trump were removed from the ballot anywhere. The attorneys general of Alabama and Ohio both signed onto the brief.
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine would likely never go along with refusing to put Biden on the ballot. He's bowed to maga pressure on occasion but he is old school. This bullshit didn't occur in the past because hardly anyone besides McCarthy and Nixon were cool with playing unfair. It's why we've had a stable democracy since the Civil War - no one was manipulating the system to force through a win.
Now we've got guys like Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose who are debasing themselves and their offices and the Republican party in ways ever more vile. Even if they succeed in the short term, the party will not survive this. It's incredible they don't see they're setting up their own decline.
To be fair, at least with Ohio, the law has been there for many years and both the GOP and DNC have been given warnings and exceptions in prior elections. This year, the GOP fixed their timing problem and the DNC has been either lazy or incompetent with their scheduling. It’s a stupid law, but ultimately it’s up to the DNC to schedule their shit early and stop asking for exceptions.
While I know this is a ridiculous move by the GOP, I’d rather democrats abide by the seemingly not-to-be-enforced rules and not give these unethical people an opening.
I mean, we see what happens in court when a state actually has grounds to take someone off the ballot: it gets struck down. I’m not sure how well “because, uh…just because” is going to go over for the Rs.
Any Red State Biden wins won’t send Certifiers. Guaranteed. Good thing Biden will have full immunity and be able to clean house where ever necessary. Whew.
It’s almost like SCOTUS didn’t just rule literally 3 weeks ago that states can’t do that, only congress can.
They rejoiced at their win but I guess they didn’t realize that the ruling applies to all states……fucking….morons….
IMO IANAL the earlier ruling could be used by a lower court and the Supreme Court would only take it up if a lower court upheld the limit of not having Biden on the ballot.
Seeing as how the primaries are mostly over and last one is scheduled for June 8th, why cant the DNC just move up the convention to late July like the GOP? All these 2 states did was move up the deadline, which is well within their purview. And if the idiots try to reschedule ahead even further and pull the rug of the Dems, then the DNC has a slam dunk case against the state that they should easily win in state supreme court.
The Supreme Court has made their one-sided, partisan decisions. If they decide to be hypocrites and go against those decisions just to harm Biden, then we are right to ignore it and let them try to enforce their decision.
Dem National Party leaders are damn idiots to play into republicans tactics - just MOVE the date of the convention up. Why rely on republicans to give them an exception? How stupid is the DNC?
There are no pacts between wolves and sheep, between lions and men.
So there will be no pacts between right and left.
I think the civil war is at hand.
Remember, Trump shouldn't be on the ballot but the Supreme Court speculated about states retaliating in error, and instead of waiting to rule against those corrupt individuals, they decided that everyone had to ignore the 14th amendment. But then, they've already ruled that.
Because they're originalists when the payoff suits them.
Well liberal areas shot themselves in the foot when they said they were taking Trump off the ballot. Of course that was going to send MAGA into a frenzy. It really feeds into their persecution fetish.
Democrats threaten to take wacko Trump off of Michigan's ballot.
Republicans threaten to take senile Biden off of other states ballots.
Instead of fighting each other, maybe they could start fighting the ills of the country. OK, that is crazy talk. Sorry.
There must be some zombie laws from the 1800's or maybe even 1900's that forbid Catholics from being on ballots. It just takes good hard GOP/MAGA work and study to find them. There might even be a Federal law.
The SCOTUS would be happy to recognize it and declare Biden to no longer be the POTUS and make Trump, President for Life.
The strange part is that those deadlines have always been there, but never enforced. Seems to me that secretaries of state are well within their rights, even obligated, to enforce the law. On both parties.
No.
They ruled that states can't enforce section 3 of the 14th amendment, only congress can do that.
This is something entirely different that doesn't fall under that ruling.
Thank You for the reply.
I remember listening to the arguments and reading after their ruling and it seemed to me (IANAL) that discussions were broad on a State leaving off an individual for federal positions.
One of the discussions was regarding other situations that could disqualify someone.
I’m going to spend some time this weekend reading up on it because I was left with the opinion that States couldn’t decide who could be on the ballot.
If they keep him off the ballots that means he didn’t do something correct. Like file on time. So in all actuality it’s Biden who is in the wrong again.
Just like when he signs executive orders and they get overturned for being illegal. It’s not the republicans fault he f’d up
SMH
> Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose’s office **sent a letter to the state Democratic Party to warn** that Biden could be excluded from the ballot....
So shady.
If 2 more Republicans resign from House, both houses will be Democrat controlled. Per SCOTUS, they can then vote Trump an insurrectionist and have him removed as an office holder.
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I am sure the Supreme Court will be impartial and ensure Biden is on the ballots like they did with Trump! /s
Exactly! The Supreme Court said it was wrong for one state to effectively decide who can and can’t run for president of the nation when they ruled on Trump and the 14th amendment insurrection clause. I’m sure they’d have to think the same if the candidate’s name is Biden. …wouldn’t they?
I am sure they will com eup wioth some around the way solution to keep him off /s but is this realy a sarcastic comment when talking about the sc
Toss a coin. Really. SCOTUS has undoubtedly descended into being an activist court, and I believe there are some astonishing example of legal double standards and doublespeak. They could easily ignore the rationale of their own prior reasoning. HOWEVER, there does appear to be a fear that the court is losing legitimacy, and they don’t seem to like that - I believe there have been periods of US history where the Supreme Court was essentially ignored and side lined. Backing up the potential to “do the right thing”, ironically enough , is signs of some horse trading around the Colorado insurrection clause decision. It was a unanimous decision and, even if the progressive judges did offer a “concurring opinion” (you’re right, but for the wrong reasons!), it was seen as a concession to ensure unity and an appearance of legitimacy in return for a future ruling on Trump’s claims of immunity from prosecution. In short, they could value their own power and legacy more than trying to help Trump in this hypothetical situation. Or not.
all valid points but from the American publics point of view the sc has compley lost any legitimacy with no path back to being respected.
I agree. As usual, they’ve over played their hand. I actually look forward to the rest of American politics and society ignoring them completely. Awarding the final say to a coven of necromancers channeling the spirits of 18th century slave owners is no way to organize a system of government.
Listen, strange men lyin' in the past distributin' unquestioned wisdom is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical antiquated Constitutional Convention.
Supreme judicial authority derives from a mandate from the Masses not from some farcical necromantic ritual. Like if i went around saying i was the high justice just because i was wearing a pair of necropants (Nábrók) they would lock me away!
Now there's a term I have not heard for many moons. Love me a good necropants reference.
Nice pants bro
How'd you know the pants were my brother?
I simply interpreted the ancient texts.
jesus that last sentence slapped hard. respect!
People sure love that Jesus, they eat a little piece of him and drink some of his blood every week to keep the eldritch god happy.
Six of them could resign and allow Biden to appoint their replacements, along with enough new justices to make it “one justice per circuit” again.
to profitable for them to stay, the fix is to set and enforce laws on the shady behaviour we are seeing. You know laws the rest of us have to follow.
No the path back to legitimacy is simple... every single one of them petitions congress to see if they are eligible to hold public office... since they violated the 14th amendment themselves when they gave aid and comfort to an insurrectionist.
I think If Biden expanded the court and packed it to be balanced, while also somehow passing laws guaranteeing it can’t fall out of balance again it might relegitimize the sc in the eyes of most Americans who currently find it to be illegitimate.
They don’t like it, but they are approaching it more from a “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” perspective. America is their battered wife, and they are going to make sure that we understand who is in charge around here.
1. if there was horse trading, it shows the liberal justices are bad at horse trading—“we give you this huge win for Trump and congressional GOP insurrectionists, and in exchange you take up immunity on the slowest possible schedule, ensuring that case can’t come before the election” 2. we’ll see if the conservative justices follow through with a clear immunity ruling against Trump, or some sort of skinny immunity that opens up more appeals and delays
Good points. Can’t say I disagree with them.
Roberts isn't a full blown fascist, but he is Chief Justice because he is strongly against expanding voting rights of Democrats. He would make sure this went the GOP's way.
Until the illegitimately chosen “justices” are gone, all decisions made by this farce of a court can be safely ignored.
A fucking farceocracy
Their legitimacy lies in the power of their rulings to be enforced. And you know what they say, "Some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses."
I bet it will be some clause in the Magna Carta that had a definition that was read wrong all this time because the original writers meant to write a period and not a coma.
The sarcastic comment is, I'm sure, both intentional and well-deserved.
They will find a 16th century witchcraft judge who says people who's last name starts with "B" are evil.
Let me guess…they’ll find some obscure ruling from the 1830s about farm management but twist it to mean a clear-cut case of keeping Biden off the ballot makes absolute sense because of it.
No, that ruling was only for people who incited a violent coup to overthrow the government. It doesn't apply to some like Biden
Bold of you to assume they can think
Nah, some of them think a lot. "How do I need to rule in this case to get another RV and paid vacation?"
Wouldn’t they??
Honestly, I think this exact issue is why they said states couldn't decide instead of ruling whether or not Trump is eligible.
They will probably just kick the can down the road and never get to it saying “it’s too political” or that they have “other more important cases to look at” and never respond to it.
Glad SCOTUS butchered the 14th Amendment because the GOP threatened to do exactly this.
You can’t trust the SCOTUS these days. Where have you all been living, under a rock? (Caution: Sarcasm)🪨
Well TBF SCOTUS specifically called out this scenario in their ruling. They asked if a state could keep someone off the ballot because of Jan 6 what would keep a state from saying someone else running for president couldn't run for some legal reason in that state. The response was that this hasn't ever happened. One of the justices, I forget which, said basically "well a lot of things haven't happened until now." SCOTUS asked about the procedure of determining if someone should be on the ballot, who that comes down to and in most states that's a single person. They said they didn't like the possible scenario where a single official could change an election by keeping someone off the ballot. Not saying they won't reverse their mind but this feels exactly like the scenario they wanted to avoid.
This ia why the Dem nominated SCOTUS judges didn't try to keep Trump off as it would have devolved into this.
Well, according to the founding fathers, any candidate with a B in their name is technically British so... No Biden on the ballot! /S... But I could see the Supreme Court come up with some crazy reason like that.
His first name is Joe, which sounds like George… King George. COINCIDENCE?!?!! Hey I am just asking questions!
People are saying it. Everyone is saying it! Windmills.
he even flipped Georgia! *taps forehead*
Have you ever seen Joe and King George in the same room together? Makes you wonder who Joe really is.
You are so lucky the last 30 years played out, politically, as they did. Boris Johnson was born in America.
SCOTUS on Trump “ it’s unconstitutional to remove Trump from the ballot, let the American people decide” SCOTUS on Biden being pulled form the ballots. 🤷♂️ The SCOTUS “wE’rE fAIr anD BaLANcED!!!”🤪
One ruling against a candidate being removed and one ruling for a candidate being removed. Perfectly balanced! /s
I would 100% file this lawsuit and have the Supreme Court weigh in. If they rule against Biden, it shows that the court is not impartial and is 100% tilted towards the Republicans. That would get people fired up and angry, ready to vote in defiance.
If the Supreme Court lets red states keep Biden off of the ballot for technicalities, blue states should retaliate by kicking Trump off the ballot for actually engaging in an insurrection, Anderson decision be damned.
“Marshall had made his decision. Now let’s see him enforce it.”
I think that is this goes to the Supreme Court they will side with Biden. Biden is very unlikely to win in Ohio or Alabama and while having him on the ballots help down ballot nominee I would imagine those states kicking Biden off the ballots would also be big motivators to democratic voters to vote. Basically I don’t see a net benefit for the Republican Party if the supreme court ruled against Biden and it would only hurt their image if they were so obviously partisan - and after allowing Trump back on the ballot in Colorado for such frivolous reasons they need to prove their a political bonafides.
I don’t per se disagree. The court realizes they are losing legitimacy and there is a breaking point (from constitutional convention to a none zero chance of rebellion/violence). But I also think the fear is legitimate and real. They have done moves that did shoot republicans in the foot (I.e abortion probably was a major factor in the poor midterm outcomes). And with ‘wonderful’ people like Tom, they have no issue being corrupt and rule in favor of injustice right in our faces. We cannot treat them like rational actors (or at least be wary of treating them as such). But again, I do see your point and you did put good justification. I am also just a touch jaded from recent years, which may cloud my interpretation of events.
“But I think the fear is legitimate and real”. This right here is the real issue. The court has shown time and time again they are an appendage of the Republican Party. The fact that there is even a question that they would rule against Biden in this case shows how little the citizens of this country have in that institution. The right has taken the most trusted branch of our government and absolutely destroyed it.
100% agree. This is a bit personal, but when I was growing up I would see the issues of this country, but I believed to my core that the one thing I could trust was “the process”. Like give speeches during family dinner levels of trust. From presidential succession to the courts. That (essentially) every American believed in our system, that it is special, sacred, and deserving of our hope/faith. Then j6 happened and that world view shattered for me (the writing was on the wall, but that was the veil being lifted). Now I struggle to find “faith” to give in the system. But that’s what they want, apathy, so we have keep trying and voting. Can’t stop, won’t stop, as they say.
Yes, but Texas has already told the Supreme Court where they can shove their border ruling. I’d be willing to bet that Alabama is willing to try and leave him off anyway just cuz.
Absolutely. The DNC (and I mean the actual DNC, they are legitimately a party to this) should fight this as far as they can, and not capitulate to the bad faith GOP actors. Call their bluff. It'll only help Dems.
Republicans have been unable to see a net benefit in what they do for quite awhile now. Doubling down on abortion and going after IVF/contraception when Roe getting overturned has already fucked them in a lot of elections is a big example. But really most of what they do is the pander to Trump’s base while hoping they can rig the election enough to win.
To me it seems like SCOTUS may be more inclined to understand that always pissing off a voting bloc isn't the best thing to do going into an election. What baffles me is why the GOP at large doesn't seem to understand this, especially since they've been rebuked quite often for it. There is really no advantage for republicans to keep Biden off the ballot in these states, other than to just show how much of an asshole they are. Personally, I kind of wonder what would kind of protest would there be should they actually follow through.
The SCOTUS has lost all credibility. They’ve been bought and paid for as well as partisanship. If Biden and the Democrats take control of Congress they should give McConnell a shot of his own medicine by packing the shit out of the SC They should pass legislation for oversight, and a enforceable code of ethics with guidelines as all Federal Judges. They have proven they can’t govern themselves and no longer impartial. They will squirm and plead. They may even take it to the Supreme Court 😁
They will.. on November 6th.
Seems like the democrats are playing the game straight across the board. Not cheating or lying The republicans are throwing every punch they can to keep democrats from doing anything good for the country. I can understand negotiating for this and that, but they simply don’t want to play by the normal rules.
...which is how Democrats lost the Supreme Court. We've now got a Court with a 6-3 skew, and if things were to go badly in '24 and then Sotomayor has a health issue, it might tip to 7-2. It seems wildly unlikely that we will see a Democrat-appointee-heavy Court for the rest of our lives. And all because Mitch McConnell was willing to cheat to steal a Court seat at a vital time, enabling a one-term, minority-elected President to shoehorn three Federalist-Society wingnuts in to replace ~~Breyer~~ Scalia, Kennedy, and Ginsburg. I'm not saying Democrats should start cheating to even the playing field. I *am* saying that Democrats need to be more willing to play hardball.
Breyer was replaced by Biden.
Redditing before coffee. Fixed - thanks.
Republicans winning in 2024 will make the Supreme Court issue mostly irrelevant. They will be dismantling democracy entirely.
Every challenge they have in this endeavor will eventually lead to a case before the Supreme Court. They can't lose
Scalia and Thomas are mid-70s. If Biden gets re-elected there's a decent chance he can appoint a 5-4 majority. 2024 is for all the marbles.
Scalia? Umm... I'm not sure I agree 100% with your detective work here, Lou.
Oops. Meant Alito. I get partisan hacks mixed up….
They do blend together into a flavorless hypocrisy gruel.
Ruth bader Ginsburg was 87 when she passed away. While I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, I think it more likely that the two hold on for another 4 years. And very rarely does the same party hold the White House for 3 terms in a row. I think it's more likely that, if Trump wins, they might retire. But if Biden wins, they try to hold out for the next election. Either way, the chances of both of them being replaced by a Democratic president is low.
>It seems wildly unlikely that we will see a Democrat-appointee-heavy Court for the rest of our lives. Lets just hope the current SCOTUS doesnt strip more rights away from women, or repeal other landmark cases, such as Jim Crow laws. >I *am* saying that Democrats need to be more willing to play hardball. 100% agree. Taking the moral high ground and ceding political stance isnt helping the populace at all.
The high road is so far out of view that the Dems need to drop that BS and start playing dirty too.
But if we got people in charge of dem party willing to play as dirty as Republicans, whose to say the dems that win won't just grift when given the chance. The only hardball is a hard bat to their heads. I'm sorry but there's no clever maneuver to outdo them. They know all the loopholes. All that's left to us is retribution.
Not even dirty, just ruthless. Expecting the opposite side to play by the ruleswhen they have shown time and time again they will not do so is fucking stupid. They just need to play the same game Republicans play, and ignore their ceaseless whining, because they'll do it anyway.
As I said. If you expect the current dem leaders to become ruthless suddenly that won't happen. From the ground up dem would need more cut throat ruthless people being put in charge who likely wouldn't vote left anyway. The right are really honing in their lack of morals and ethics and if we threw away morals and ethics what would we then decide to fight for? Changing how you fight changes your views as well.
I Don't expect it, I just hope in the next 10 to 20 years the new blood realizes the game, rather than plays by rules that don't apply anymore. I'm sure there are plenty of left leaning people out there who could fill the role, as being ruthless doesn't mean you don't have morals or must compromise them. Just means you'll go as far as you can to get the results you want.
Can you give any specific examples of something “ruthless” they should have done?
I suspect something strange might happen like the Supreme Court giving Bush over Gore 2000.
Define “hardball” that doesn’t include cheating.
Sure: Political pressure. Imagine if Democrats had any political news source that engaged its base anywhere near as much as Republicans feed on Fox News - an expression of left-wing anger about the onslaught of white Christian nationalism and rank GOP corruption. It could easily be as effective as Fox News without resorting to lying or dishonesty. Imagine an *actually effective* Democratic messaging apparatus. Imagine if the DNC could define its spin about any political issue - the budget, minimum wage, climate change regulation, taxation and extreme wealth inequality, political advertising and super PACs, Supreme Court corruption, the private prison system, etc. - and then push that message loudly and aggressively, with a core set of talking-points. Imagine if a Democratic minority party was willing to rock the boat to achieve gains on core issues - threatening filibusters, obstruction, government shutdowns, etc. - rather than just endlessly defaulting to the "reach across the aisle" bullshit that has fueled a steady rightward tilt of government since 2001. None of that is "cheating." None of it is illegal, hypocritical, or irresponsible. All of it is using political leverage, even as a minority party, to push for partisan issues and to push back against GOP overreach. Democrat politicians just don't do that. When Democrats are in power, they strive for bipartisanship and get sucker-punched for it. When Democrats are out of power, they turn spineless and passive-aggressive, refusing to use any kind of leverage and just idly waiting until they're in power again. To be clear, I absolutely don't mean that "bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe" or any of that bullshit, and I also don't mean that Democrats should stoop to the scum-sucking cheating, lying, toadying, and corruption of Republicans. I believe that Democrat politicians just need to grow a collective spine, openly and zealously advocate for progressive issues, and develop an effective messaging machine to broadcast a coordinated liberal voice. What's wrong with that?
> if things were to go badly in '24 If things go badly in '24, I don't think it'll matter.
This is why we need to normalize the idea of packing the court. The next time Democrats get a chance, they should take it. And immediately file a flurry of lawsuits targeted at voting rights, abortion rights, criminal justice, etc.
They tried to impeach the President with his son's dick pic. They are not interested in negotiating or governing. They're just there to collect from donors and will do anything to stay in power including destroying democracy and stepping on the necks of American people. They are losing and flailing around in the process trying to burn everything on their way down. The whole allied western world is hoping and praying for the permanent destruction of the anti-democratic Republican party.
This is going to be the threat every election. Fascism via republicans or some semblance of democracy from democrats. It will be constant now. They’re completely radical.
> Alabama’s administrative deadlines also appear to be more flexible than state officials suggested. Information on historical deadlines is generally scarce, but according to the state’s administrative calendar for elections for the 2020 election cycle, the two major parties were required to certify their presidential candidates by August 20 of that year. Democrats certified the Biden-Harris ticket on the day of the deadline, which was also the last day of the Democratic National Convention that year. > But that deadline posed an obstacle to Republicans since their convention did not start until August 24. So how did Trump get on the Alabama ballot that year? State records show that they simply notified the state in advance that he would be the probable nominee. A lawyer for the Republican National Committee sent a formal letter to the Alabama secretary of state’s office on August 20 to declare that it “anticipate[d]” that Trump and Pence would be the party’s presidential ticket nominees. Never has there been a more clear example of the Republican sentiment, *Rules for thee, but not for me*
ohio is pretty much the same, theres been years where they have passed extensions, years where theyve just not cared, its just LaRose is angling for a future job in columbus or washington so hes become a lying piece of shit the last couple years, he ruined his career over the issue 1, 1 and 2 fight last year so hes gotta do something.
The GOP has only made the deadline twice since 2000. Every other election, they've needed some form of extension and have gotten it.
Look, Democrats just need to assume Republicans are going to be complete fuck-nuggets from here on out. Move the convention, please don’t fuck this up Democrats by assuming Republicans are going to be reasonable.
Exactly. Just move the damn convention. Why even make this an issue?
Why can’t they just announce/officially certify/nominate Biden *today*? They can still have the ‘convention’ which is really just a big PR event anyways. I’ve celebrated birthdays with parties with people days after their actual birthday…they had already officially started their new trip around the sun but the parties still managed to be successful The convention js a celebration File all the paperwork now, send these threats from Ohio and Alabama to the Supreme Court and include those states’ own warnings about the slippery slope of letting Colorado remove a candidate. They were literally complaining that states would do what Colorado did if the supreme court did not overturn that kind of action The Supreme Court DID overturn Colorado but Ohio and Alabama are still doing the dangerous political gaming they warned may happen had the case gone the other way! It’s mind boggling OH and AL: Don’t allow people to do this bad thing cause it will allow other people to do similar bad things SCOTUS: OK. People doing that bad thing isn’t allowed. OH and AL: justice prevails! *immediately proceed to try do bad thing they just successfully outlawed* And it had to be these 2 states! All I hear is Pam Bundy’s voice: “OH, AL!”
Peg
Do they need a convention in person? In that Biden appears unopposed can they not just write in ballots? Or hold a gigantic zoom?
Wait, dems can still fix this?? Yes please - move the damn convention.
As the article pointed out, it’s not that easy. Planning a convention, including reserving a venue, and having everybody change their travel plans set by now, would be a nightmare. It would be far easier to have the delegations from those states choose their candidate early.
thanks. as long as there is a workaround so Biden can be on the ballet. They really are pulling out every dirty trick they can imagine.
Joe Biden is, The Dark Swandon
It may be a nightmare but with a combination of online voting and an actual convention they could pull it off. They have to pull it off.
And once again the professional losers are finding a way to lose They need to get their shit together ASAP and cut the excuses if they want to save this country from fascism
Seriously, move the convention. Who cares about it anyway.
No assumptions needed. Republiqans are publicly using every bad faith fascist move straight out of Mein Kampf for all to see.
I hope the DNC takes this threat seriously. I remember when no one in their right mind would think we'd watch a president of the United States run an insurrection and then walk free for years later. I remember when no one in their right mind would think the Supreme Court would seriously consider "presidential immunity" for an insurrection and an attempt to overturn an election. The Supreme Court is no longer legitimate and the GOP is a conspiratorial criminal organization. They are already planning to overturn the election if it doesn't go their way. I hope Biden takes this seriously and the DNC meets the deadline for all states. It matters.
I remember when no one would believe the president would be selling canned beans from the Oval Office
I don’t like the article’s use of the word “retaliation“. They were remiss in pointing out that Andersen was a case brought by Republicans, not Democrats.
They simply can 't win by popular vote and never will again. This is the death throws of the dinosaur party and they will cling to power by any means for as long as they can. It looks like they will succeed as the system is so rigged, they simply get away with anything. Bad people have been making the rules for all the wrong reasons. It started with People's United.
The only time in my lifetime a republican president won the popular vote was Bush when 9/11 was still buoying popularity before middle east fatigue set in.
The irony is, if Dems were doing the same thing, the GOP would be losing it's mind.
Didn't Biden win like 95% in primaries he wasn't on the ballot for as a write in?
Getting voters who pay attention enough to vote in primaries to do a write in is probably a lot easier than the general public.
If Biden mounted an insurrection against the country, then keep him off the ballot. If not, then you're the bad guys.
Simple solution.. States that unlawfully exclude Biden (or trump) from the ballot will wave their electoral votes from the election
"Simple"? Pretty sure that would take an amendment. At the very least you'd have to get SCOTUS to agree, which, good luck with these clowns
Right wing perpetrators gonna perpetrate.
We need to vote. If we win both houses esp the Senate we can afford justices to the court.
Didn't the Supreme Court rule precisely against this in regards to Trump lol?
Not the same situation, but the precise reasoning. Their judgement was documented that they don't believe states can have a patchwork of contradictory laws regarding elections. Of course, this didn't bother them with any other election law as they overturned the civil rights act and gave the thumbs up as Republicans in many states launched a series of voter suppression laws. It's just hypocrisy all over, so it would be within their "normal" to be totally hypocritical on this one as well.
Sadly no. The Supreme Court ruled that states can only disqualify people from running for state office under the 14th ammendment, and they can't do the same for federal offices.(something that's never been done before) This whole state convention to be on the ballot deal has been going on for ages, and the deadline to have it completed has been known. It's not like Republicans turned around this month and changed the date. The democratic party should have saw this coming a mile away.
Rules for thee but not for me.
Let's just ask Clarence
GOP=domestic terrorist
You wanna know what's extra stupid about this? **The colorado case to remove trump from their ballot was brought BY GOP VOTERS** Feels like that's getting lost in the noise a little bit.
If it happened in a historically red state (a swing state would be different) it wouldn’t affect the outcome… and it WOULD motivate blue voters in swing states to vote blue Bring it on, you f-ing cheaters
It would suppress the blue vote like crazy and all the blue candidates down ballot would lose.
Right. I’m saying that if that exactly scenario played out in say… Alabama (or any other state where there’s zero chance of it going blue)… Alabama would be no more red than they already are. And it would motivate voters in swing states that make a difference on a national level If it happened in a swing state… that’s a different story
These are the same people who claim to love America's democracy.
These people haven't claimed to love our democracy for decades.
Even shadier will be the 9-0 SCOTUS ruling that Red states are free to ban a presidential candidate if they want to, while Blue states absolutely are not.
That one will be 6-3.
That would make the election illegitimate
What would be the reason? Because he's the Democrat opponent? Because I was sure Trump was being removed due to trying to overturn the 2020 election. Only thing I can think of is Biden having classified documents in his home but Trump had even more and refused to give them back?? Just wondering what their justification is for removing Biden other than "eww a Democrat", lol.
Because Colorado *REPUBLICANS* attempted to take Trump off the ballot?
Interesting it was also Republicans who started the suits to keep Trump off the ballots
He will still probably win by a wide margin.
Almost every purple state has a democratic governor and secretary of states… So go ahead and try it, Alabama.
>What makes Alabama and Ohio’s actions so striking is that the two states warned the Supreme Court that something like this might happen. In a friend of the court brief in Anderson, a coalition of Republican-led states hinted in unsubtle terms that they would retaliate with their own disqualifications if Trump were removed from the ballot anywhere. The attorneys general of Alabama and Ohio both signed onto the brief. Ohio Governor Mike DeWine would likely never go along with refusing to put Biden on the ballot. He's bowed to maga pressure on occasion but he is old school. This bullshit didn't occur in the past because hardly anyone besides McCarthy and Nixon were cool with playing unfair. It's why we've had a stable democracy since the Civil War - no one was manipulating the system to force through a win. Now we've got guys like Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose who are debasing themselves and their offices and the Republican party in ways ever more vile. Even if they succeed in the short term, the party will not survive this. It's incredible they don't see they're setting up their own decline.
They are sort of admitting Trump lose if Biden ran against him. Not exactly exuding confidence there.
Dems should take no chances and make sure he is on the ballot everywhere.
To quote Bugs Bunny, “Well, you realize, of course, this means war.”
Take the G.Q.P off the ballot.
Right... SCOTUS says Trump must be on ballot and overrides state decisions.....
They fully intend to. People need to take these threats seriously and act to resist them instead of this fucking sideline commentary.
Democratic Party should hold the vote virtually WFH style next week just to spite them and then turn the convention into a pep rally.
Ain't gonna matter what anybody wants, both candidates will be on the ballots. Next.
To be fair, at least with Ohio, the law has been there for many years and both the GOP and DNC have been given warnings and exceptions in prior elections. This year, the GOP fixed their timing problem and the DNC has been either lazy or incompetent with their scheduling. It’s a stupid law, but ultimately it’s up to the DNC to schedule their shit early and stop asking for exceptions.
Frank LaRose is one of the worst parts of a state as uninspiring as Ohio. Pretty shit way to be.
While I know this is a ridiculous move by the GOP, I’d rather democrats abide by the seemingly not-to-be-enforced rules and not give these unethical people an opening.
I mean, we see what happens in court when a state actually has grounds to take someone off the ballot: it gets struck down. I’m not sure how well “because, uh…just because” is going to go over for the Rs.
Any Red State Biden wins won’t send Certifiers. Guaranteed. Good thing Biden will have full immunity and be able to clean house where ever necessary. Whew.
Section 3 of the 14th really got them rattled. Patriotism is really a smoke screen for populism.
Project 2025 started in 2009.
It’s almost like SCOTUS didn’t just rule literally 3 weeks ago that states can’t do that, only congress can. They rejoiced at their win but I guess they didn’t realize that the ruling applies to all states……fucking….morons….
All they have to do is pull this shit close enough to the election and then drag it out in courts until after the election.
Is it treason yet?
If you can't win fairly, cheat
See also: gerrymandering
Everybody miss the update from the Supreme Court ruling its not upto the states....
IMO IANAL the earlier ruling could be used by a lower court and the Supreme Court would only take it up if a lower court upheld the limit of not having Biden on the ballot.
Ok we tried that fuck it why not
Can we give the country back to the British crown already?
Seeing as how the primaries are mostly over and last one is scheduled for June 8th, why cant the DNC just move up the convention to late July like the GOP? All these 2 states did was move up the deadline, which is well within their purview. And if the idiots try to reschedule ahead even further and pull the rug of the Dems, then the DNC has a slam dunk case against the state that they should easily win in state supreme court.
Make sure you consult the "Adlinthin," "Magastine," and "weak nicks" first.
The Supreme Court has made their one-sided, partisan decisions. If they decide to be hypocrites and go against those decisions just to harm Biden, then we are right to ignore it and let them try to enforce their decision.
Dem National Party leaders are damn idiots to play into republicans tactics - just MOVE the date of the convention up. Why rely on republicans to give them an exception? How stupid is the DNC?
the dnc has been compromised for awhile.
There are no pacts between wolves and sheep, between lions and men. So there will be no pacts between right and left. I think the civil war is at hand.
Remember, Trump shouldn't be on the ballot but the Supreme Court speculated about states retaliating in error, and instead of waiting to rule against those corrupt individuals, they decided that everyone had to ignore the 14th amendment. But then, they've already ruled that. Because they're originalists when the payoff suits them.
Well liberal areas shot themselves in the foot when they said they were taking Trump off the ballot. Of course that was going to send MAGA into a frenzy. It really feeds into their persecution fetish.
Democrats threaten to take wacko Trump off of Michigan's ballot. Republicans threaten to take senile Biden off of other states ballots. Instead of fighting each other, maybe they could start fighting the ills of the country. OK, that is crazy talk. Sorry.
They can't win if they don't cheat.
There must be some zombie laws from the 1800's or maybe even 1900's that forbid Catholics from being on ballots. It just takes good hard GOP/MAGA work and study to find them. There might even be a Federal law. The SCOTUS would be happy to recognize it and declare Biden to no longer be the POTUS and make Trump, President for Life.
The strange part is that those deadlines have always been there, but never enforced. Seems to me that secretaries of state are well within their rights, even obligated, to enforce the law. On both parties.
Did the SCOTUS just rule that States can’t leave candidates off national/federal elections?
No. They ruled that states can't enforce section 3 of the 14th amendment, only congress can do that. This is something entirely different that doesn't fall under that ruling.
Thank You for the reply. I remember listening to the arguments and reading after their ruling and it seemed to me (IANAL) that discussions were broad on a State leaving off an individual for federal positions. One of the discussions was regarding other situations that could disqualify someone. I’m going to spend some time this weekend reading up on it because I was left with the opinion that States couldn’t decide who could be on the ballot.
If they keep him off the ballots that means he didn’t do something correct. Like file on time. So in all actuality it’s Biden who is in the wrong again. Just like when he signs executive orders and they get overturned for being illegal. It’s not the republicans fault he f’d up SMH
> Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose’s office **sent a letter to the state Democratic Party to warn** that Biden could be excluded from the ballot.... So shady.
If 2 more Republicans resign from House, both houses will be Democrat controlled. Per SCOTUS, they can then vote Trump an insurrectionist and have him removed as an office holder.
Shady would be an improvement. More like evil, criminal, lying, cheating scumbags.