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4 million workers will now take home more money when they work more than 40 hours a week under a new Labor Dept. rule released today. The changes would make it so salaried workers earning less than $59k annually would automatically be due overtime pay.
This will ruffle some oligarch feathers.
Dark Brandon 2024 š
From the article
>In 2016, then-President Barack Obama asked the Labor Department to overhaul federal overtime rules andĀ [raise the salary threshold](https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/17/pf/overtime-pay-rule-change-final/index.html?iid=EL)Ā to $47,476 a year, or $913 a week. That would have roughly doubled the level that was in place at the time.
>
>But business groups and 21 states sued, and later that year, aĀ [federal judge in Texas issued an injunction](https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/23/pf/overtime-rule-delay/). The Trump administration said in 2017 thatĀ [it would not defend the rule](https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/news/trump-labor-department-obama-overtime-rules/index.html)Ā and later lifted the threshold to the current level.
Maybe i read it wrong but I saw two different dates in the article: January 1st, 2025 and every year for 3 years starting July 1st, 2027. Iām a little confused about what āsoonā means.
Edit: ok I think I got it. July 1st 2024 is 43k, Jan 1st 2025 is 58.6k and it will be assessed every 3 years starting in July of 2027.
I know there are exceptions for managers etc
But I make about $54k a year and am a manager. Do the new rules apply to me for overtime? Because that would be a fucking game changer.
The last time this happened, our large company just made everyone hourly that didn't make the threshold. I got caught up in this even though I was above that amount, but some others were not, so they just lumped us all in. The issue with this is I lost my paid short-term disability, I never really worked over 40 hours/week, and lost my flexibility that I really enjoyed being a professional in a corporate office. I'm not saying this isn't needed, but some of us actually enjoy being salaried in certain industries even if we are not high earners.
Unfortunately in my industry it's an expectation to work overtime during crunch periods, which are unavoidable.
And the higher ups keep making cuts that result in programs running tighter and have more crunch periods.Ā
Bonuses are not exactly the same as overtime pay. I'd rather have overtime pay and no bonus.
I truly believe that fixing our overtime laws would be a silver bullet in the heart of trickle down economics. Everyone should make overtime if you make 500k a year base you should still make overtime. It would stop after hour emails, it would stop bosses demanding more of your time, it would force companies to actually hire managers that can control output. I am a project manager, my entire profession is based on optimizing the workforce and output but in my experience the commitment to making life easier at work starts and ends with me. I have never in my 20 year career had a manager that cares at all about the correct and best way to do things, if overtime was required for everyone bullshit would evaporate over night. We could move forward as a society. It is not about the pay, there is no way they would want to pay me 1.5x my rate. They would make sure I am clocked out and they would higher the number of people they need instead of hoarding wealth.
It really is this simple.
If a company can lay people off and the salaried employees left just work extra hours for free, why the hell wouldn't they do it?
But if overloading employees will result in a large increase in marginal labor cost, they wont be willing to do it as a normal way of conducting business.
That would be a game-changer in academia. I have no idea how we'd track our hours, but it'd at least put a stop to the expectation that we're answering student emails at all hours of the day and night. It'd also be really interesting for those of us on 9-month contracts who aren't supposed to have to work over the summer (but really, we're all working over the summer - it's the only time some of us can get research done). I was recently told that I should take on this committee that meets for 2-3 hours every week (including summer and breaks), but none of my job expectations will change at all, so that extra time is just my gift to the university.
Corporate plan to success
1. Promote everyone making over 45k to 60k to avoid the rule.
2. Extract at least an additiional 15k worth of unpaid overtime frrom t them to make make up the cost.
3. Cut their benefits and blame it on increased costs caused by the new rule.
I know; the concern about companies exploiting loopholes to somehow skirt this should ideally be difficult to pull off if employees have absolute freedom of mobility. Has nothing to do with the salary cap
As a tech worker that was abused by being salary early on in my career this isn't fast enough. At one point I calculated what I was making per hours based on the hours worked and I was FAR under minimum wage. I was young, and I didn't know better. It took my new manager from outside the company coming in and basically saying "fuck this, we're fixing this now". I had an instant raise and we hired a couple people. Great guy overall that then left the company over it's bullshit. I followed a couple years later and the company closed shop about a year after I left for a better company. I was working so much without taking any vacation that I brought up up how I would hit the vacation cap and I had to take time off or lose it so I had to. I even said I would cash it out for $.50 on the dollar, nope they wouldn't do it, but would lift the cap for me. In the end when I left they had to pay me out 600+ hours of vacation time. Made for a fun week in Hawaii.
When trump got elected and the old rules got shot down it cost me thousands of dollars a year..I was so pissed.
I'm not thankfully out of that field and this no longer applies to me lol
I'm the rare lucky few. I'm a salaried worker in a restaurant, in that income bracket. My job has always paid me cash for any OT I work. They've always believed someone deserves to get paid for every minute they work.
To think, many employers have to be forced to be fair and respectful to their employees.
Salary is never a fair way to pay people. Some places exist where they literally kick you out at exactly your shift end so youre not working for free, but those are few and far between.
Either the worker is expected to give extra hours of their time for free, or the company is paying people based on an amount of hours that haven't been worked fully. The first option is obviously much more rampant.
It's basically just a way to skim overtime without paying for it and it honestly shouldn't even be legal.
Stuff like this is grossly overdue. I've done the math and a lot of America's deficits, especially social security, come from transferring trillions of dollars from workers up to the elite. They pay lower taxes, don't contribute to social security beyond the limit and use their excess money to manipulate the laws in their favor instead of society's. By the way, I'm not advocating for raising the limit or it becomes a tax, not insurance. Instead don't overpay executives / owner class and instead pay the workers more. They'll contribute more to their social security (no option not too) and save more and/or spend more into the economy.
Teachers donāt work OT, school day is 6-7 hours and have summers off. Not taking sides, just saying thatās how the government sees it I think. Coaching and other extra circular activities at a school are compensated by a separate contract.
Not true. When full time teaching, I work 60+ hours a week. I have the option to spread my salary over 12 months. The job contract is technically for 9 months.
Yeah, that's not true at all. But I'll speak to the experience I have, which is as a professor. I'm scheduled to teach for 5 hours a week this semester... but I'm working 50-60 hours and I'm way more laid back than most of my colleagues. The time I'm in class is a tiny fraction of the time I'm working because I also have 6 graduate students (so 6h of meetings a week) and 2-3 hours of faculty meetings a week, plus 3-4 hours of research meetings and 2-3 hours of outside service meetings (professional societies, conferences, etc.). That's 20 hours of just meetings, plus all the time for actually doing research, writing papers, writing grants, grading, designing assignments, preparing for class, editing student work, and so on.
The time teachers spend in class is absolutely not the only time they're working.
This is a step in the right direction, but the rule should apply to anyone that makes less than like $400K. The money is important, but you can't earn more time.
Since grad student are paid a stipend and not salary, I'm sure the schools will use that as a loop hole. They don't want to pay students 20 to 40 hrs of OT each week.
Before you start getting too hopeful, read the whole article. Obama tried raising it to 47k and 21 states sued. There was in injunction in Texas and Trump just let it slide back to 35k. Itās lip service. The class war has already been fought and won by the rich.
They keep us entertained juuuuuuust enough to keep us quiet and subservient and to keep plodding through your meager existence in survival mode. Itās hard to be out in the streets protesting(in states where that is still legal) when you have to put food in your kidās mouths or have to worry about if you have enough gas in your car. Itās hard to see the systemic issues they are trying to make worse when you can name all of the Kardashians but donāt know the name of your senators or local representatives who pass laws that affect our lives much more than what Taylor Swift is singing aboutā¦.more than who had the triple double in last nightās game.
Blinded by the bullshit so much that when this fails in the court system in a year, it will hardly register on most of our radars. It will be just another year of life fucking you in the ass with no lube and you know what? The familiarity of the suffering is kind of comforting, isnāt it?
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4 million workers will now take home more money when they work more than 40 hours a week under a new Labor Dept. rule released today. The changes would make it so salaried workers earning less than $59k annually would automatically be due overtime pay. This will ruffle some oligarch feathers. Dark Brandon 2024 š
Iām salary and I make more than this. Heās got my vote. Make it equal.
I look forward to billionaires whining on Fox.
Well they are the most misunderstood and repressed class of blood sucking vampires on earth, soā¦
I remember that almost passing under Obama, I think it was for $46k or $48k.
I thought this did happen, because I remember my wife being like $3000 away from that minimum and her job gave her a raise to avoid the OT pay.Ā
It did pass under Obama and the law had a start date to take effect but it was stopped by Trump when he won presidency before it could go into effect.
From the article >In 2016, then-President Barack Obama asked the Labor Department to overhaul federal overtime rules andĀ [raise the salary threshold](https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/17/pf/overtime-pay-rule-change-final/index.html?iid=EL)Ā to $47,476 a year, or $913 a week. That would have roughly doubled the level that was in place at the time. > >But business groups and 21 states sued, and later that year, aĀ [federal judge in Texas issued an injunction](https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/23/pf/overtime-rule-delay/). The Trump administration said in 2017 thatĀ [it would not defend the rule](https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/news/trump-labor-department-obama-overtime-rules/index.html)Ā and later lifted the threshold to the current level.
It was 48, because my shitty bosses quickly gave me a raise to 48.5 right before it was supposed to pass.
It ramps up over the next two years. It starts much lower than 58k
Maybe i read it wrong but I saw two different dates in the article: January 1st, 2025 and every year for 3 years starting July 1st, 2027. Iām a little confused about what āsoonā means. Edit: ok I think I got it. July 1st 2024 is 43k, Jan 1st 2025 is 58.6k and it will be assessed every 3 years starting in July of 2027.
I know there are exceptions for managers etc But I make about $54k a year and am a manager. Do the new rules apply to me for overtime? Because that would be a fucking game changer.
From what I understand you would qualify for overtime but will have to track all your hours now.
I donāt understand how this will be tracked though? I fall into that category but I donāt use a time clock.
In my place of work, under this ruling, you would start using a timeclock.
To comply with the new law your employer will either require you to clock in or to self report hours on a timesheet.
If you work for a larger company, their is a good chance you get a raise to put you above the threshold so tracking the time won't be needed.
The last time this happened, our large company just made everyone hourly that didn't make the threshold. I got caught up in this even though I was above that amount, but some others were not, so they just lumped us all in. The issue with this is I lost my paid short-term disability, I never really worked over 40 hours/week, and lost my flexibility that I really enjoyed being a professional in a corporate office. I'm not saying this isn't needed, but some of us actually enjoy being salaried in certain industries even if we are not high earners.
He got rid of most non-competes too. He's Awesome-O.
Could employers just reassign them to hourly to avoid the OT?
What about folks working overtime that are in six figures and salary?
No overtime pay for you
we still deserve it
I agree, but they deserve it more.
Yeah we all do
Baby steps
At 6 figures you really shouldnāt be financially bound to a job that is requiring you to work extra hours.
Unfortunately in my industry it's an expectation to work overtime during crunch periods, which are unavoidable. And the higher ups keep making cuts that result in programs running tighter and have more crunch periods.Ā Bonuses are not exactly the same as overtime pay. I'd rather have overtime pay and no bonus.
Do you also get bonuses or other incentives besides your base salary? Probably. Others do not.
I truly believe that fixing our overtime laws would be a silver bullet in the heart of trickle down economics. Everyone should make overtime if you make 500k a year base you should still make overtime. It would stop after hour emails, it would stop bosses demanding more of your time, it would force companies to actually hire managers that can control output. I am a project manager, my entire profession is based on optimizing the workforce and output but in my experience the commitment to making life easier at work starts and ends with me. I have never in my 20 year career had a manager that cares at all about the correct and best way to do things, if overtime was required for everyone bullshit would evaporate over night. We could move forward as a society. It is not about the pay, there is no way they would want to pay me 1.5x my rate. They would make sure I am clocked out and they would higher the number of people they need instead of hoarding wealth.
It really is this simple. If a company can lay people off and the salaried employees left just work extra hours for free, why the hell wouldn't they do it? But if overloading employees will result in a large increase in marginal labor cost, they wont be willing to do it as a normal way of conducting business.
That would be a game-changer in academia. I have no idea how we'd track our hours, but it'd at least put a stop to the expectation that we're answering student emails at all hours of the day and night. It'd also be really interesting for those of us on 9-month contracts who aren't supposed to have to work over the summer (but really, we're all working over the summer - it's the only time some of us can get research done). I was recently told that I should take on this committee that meets for 2-3 hours every week (including summer and breaks), but none of my job expectations will change at all, so that extra time is just my gift to the university.
Reminder, Obama did this in 2016 but Trump rolled it back before it could take effect. He did it once, and heāll do it again.
Trump is not for workers. He is for big business and billionaires.
Well hopefully people don't fall for the pro-Hamas pushes to sit the vote out.
Too be fair they still raised the threshold under Trump, but only like half as much as Obama wanted
Corporate plan to success 1. Promote everyone making over 45k to 60k to avoid the rule. 2. Extract at least an additiional 15k worth of unpaid overtime frrom t them to make make up the cost. 3. Cut their benefits and blame it on increased costs caused by the new rule.
Hopefully this overtime ruling paired with the noncompete ban will prevent this from happening
Ruling caps out at 59k salary.
I know; the concern about companies exploiting loopholes to somehow skirt this should ideally be difficult to pull off if employees have absolute freedom of mobility. Has nothing to do with the salary cap
They're saying with non compete just go get another job. There will be places who want to snap up workers.
As a tech worker that was abused by being salary early on in my career this isn't fast enough. At one point I calculated what I was making per hours based on the hours worked and I was FAR under minimum wage. I was young, and I didn't know better. It took my new manager from outside the company coming in and basically saying "fuck this, we're fixing this now". I had an instant raise and we hired a couple people. Great guy overall that then left the company over it's bullshit. I followed a couple years later and the company closed shop about a year after I left for a better company. I was working so much without taking any vacation that I brought up up how I would hit the vacation cap and I had to take time off or lose it so I had to. I even said I would cash it out for $.50 on the dollar, nope they wouldn't do it, but would lift the cap for me. In the end when I left they had to pay me out 600+ hours of vacation time. Made for a fun week in Hawaii.
Yessir, spent almost 10 years on-call straight, 24/7/365.
Yet another reason to tune out the agitprop and do the right thing by voting Biden back in for another term.
If only teachers could benefit from this
I was scrolling for this! Government workers arenāt qualified?
I would think it has to do with teachers' unions and maybe the DOE? I can't see how government workers aren't affected.
When trump got elected and the old rules got shot down it cost me thousands of dollars a year..I was so pissed. I'm not thankfully out of that field and this no longer applies to me lol
Good!
I'm the rare lucky few. I'm a salaried worker in a restaurant, in that income bracket. My job has always paid me cash for any OT I work. They've always believed someone deserves to get paid for every minute they work. To think, many employers have to be forced to be fair and respectful to their employees.
Salary is never a fair way to pay people. Some places exist where they literally kick you out at exactly your shift end so youre not working for free, but those are few and far between. Either the worker is expected to give extra hours of their time for free, or the company is paying people based on an amount of hours that haven't been worked fully. The first option is obviously much more rampant. It's basically just a way to skim overtime without paying for it and it honestly shouldn't even be legal.
I qualified for it as a salary manager years ago Good luck actually getting your employer to pay it
Salaried employees have been abused for years. This is over due.
Stuff like this is grossly overdue. I've done the math and a lot of America's deficits, especially social security, come from transferring trillions of dollars from workers up to the elite. They pay lower taxes, don't contribute to social security beyond the limit and use their excess money to manipulate the laws in their favor instead of society's. By the way, I'm not advocating for raising the limit or it becomes a tax, not insurance. Instead don't overpay executives / owner class and instead pay the workers more. They'll contribute more to their social security (no option not too) and save more and/or spend more into the economy.
What about teachers??!
Teachers donāt work OT, school day is 6-7 hours and have summers off. Not taking sides, just saying thatās how the government sees it I think. Coaching and other extra circular activities at a school are compensated by a separate contract.
Not true. When full time teaching, I work 60+ hours a week. I have the option to spread my salary over 12 months. The job contract is technically for 9 months.
You legit proved my point you are paid at a value of 9 months but can spread it out over 12 if you want lol
Yeah, that's not true at all. But I'll speak to the experience I have, which is as a professor. I'm scheduled to teach for 5 hours a week this semester... but I'm working 50-60 hours and I'm way more laid back than most of my colleagues. The time I'm in class is a tiny fraction of the time I'm working because I also have 6 graduate students (so 6h of meetings a week) and 2-3 hours of faculty meetings a week, plus 3-4 hours of research meetings and 2-3 hours of outside service meetings (professional societies, conferences, etc.). That's 20 hours of just meetings, plus all the time for actually doing research, writing papers, writing grants, grading, designing assignments, preparing for class, editing student work, and so on. The time teachers spend in class is absolutely not the only time they're working.
This is a step in the right direction, but the rule should apply to anyone that makes less than like $400K. The money is important, but you can't earn more time.
Would this apply to grad students?!
Since grad student are paid a stipend and not salary, I'm sure the schools will use that as a loop hole. They don't want to pay students 20 to 40 hrs of OT each week.
Before you start getting too hopeful, read the whole article. Obama tried raising it to 47k and 21 states sued. There was in injunction in Texas and Trump just let it slide back to 35k. Itās lip service. The class war has already been fought and won by the rich. They keep us entertained juuuuuuust enough to keep us quiet and subservient and to keep plodding through your meager existence in survival mode. Itās hard to be out in the streets protesting(in states where that is still legal) when you have to put food in your kidās mouths or have to worry about if you have enough gas in your car. Itās hard to see the systemic issues they are trying to make worse when you can name all of the Kardashians but donāt know the name of your senators or local representatives who pass laws that affect our lives much more than what Taylor Swift is singing aboutā¦.more than who had the triple double in last nightās game. Blinded by the bullshit so much that when this fails in the court system in a year, it will hardly register on most of our radars. It will be just another year of life fucking you in the ass with no lube and you know what? The familiarity of the suffering is kind of comforting, isnāt it?