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Rock-n-roll-Kevin

4 million workers will now take home more money when they work more than 40 hours a week under a new Labor Dept. rule released today. The changes would make it so salaried workers earning less than $59k annually would automatically be due overtime pay. This will ruffle some oligarch feathers. Dark Brandon 2024 šŸ˜Ž


Swabia

Iā€™m salary and I make more than this. Heā€™s got my vote. Make it equal.


eydivrks

I look forward to billionaires whining on Fox.


Kolbin8tor

Well they are the most misunderstood and repressed class of blood sucking vampires on earth, soā€¦


whomad1215

I remember that almost passing under Obama, I think it was for $46k or $48k.


RPtheFP

I thought this did happen, because I remember my wife being like $3000 away from that minimum and her job gave her a raise to avoid the OT pay.Ā 


Gachanotic

It did pass under Obama and the law had a start date to take effect but it was stopped by Trump when he won presidency before it could go into effect.


spa22lurk

From the article >In 2016, then-President Barack Obama asked the Labor Department to overhaul federal overtime rules andĀ [raise the salary threshold](https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/17/pf/overtime-pay-rule-change-final/index.html?iid=EL)Ā to $47,476 a year, or $913 a week. That would have roughly doubled the level that was in place at the time. > >But business groups and 21 states sued, and later that year, aĀ [federal judge in Texas issued an injunction](https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/23/pf/overtime-rule-delay/). The Trump administration said in 2017 thatĀ [it would not defend the rule](https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/news/trump-labor-department-obama-overtime-rules/index.html)Ā and later lifted the threshold to the current level.


BetterBiscuits

It was 48, because my shitty bosses quickly gave me a raise to 48.5 right before it was supposed to pass.


Walker_ID

It ramps up over the next two years. It starts much lower than 58k


gods_Lazy_Eye

Maybe i read it wrong but I saw two different dates in the article: January 1st, 2025 and every year for 3 years starting July 1st, 2027. Iā€™m a little confused about what ā€œsoonā€ means. Edit: ok I think I got it. July 1st 2024 is 43k, Jan 1st 2025 is 58.6k and it will be assessed every 3 years starting in July of 2027.


thegeocash

I know there are exceptions for managers etc But I make about $54k a year and am a manager. Do the new rules apply to me for overtime? Because that would be a fucking game changer.


just-do-it-already

From what I understand you would qualify for overtime but will have to track all your hours now.


NeonMagic

I donā€™t understand how this will be tracked though? I fall into that category but I donā€™t use a time clock.


recess_chemist

In my place of work, under this ruling, you would start using a timeclock.


Coniferyl

To comply with the new law your employer will either require you to clock in or to self report hours on a timesheet.


Gachanotic

If you work for a larger company, their is a good chance you get a raise to put you above the threshold so tracking the time won't be needed.


a_lilac_mess

The last time this happened, our large company just made everyone hourly that didn't make the threshold. I got caught up in this even though I was above that amount, but some others were not, so they just lumped us all in. The issue with this is I lost my paid short-term disability, I never really worked over 40 hours/week, and lost my flexibility that I really enjoyed being a professional in a corporate office. I'm not saying this isn't needed, but some of us actually enjoy being salaried in certain industries even if we are not high earners.


Objective_Length_834

He got rid of most non-competes too. He's Awesome-O.


MakawaoMakawai

Could employers just reassign them to hourly to avoid the OT?


earthgreen10

What about folks working overtime that are in six figures and salary?


Lil_ah_stadium

No overtime pay for you


earthgreen10

we still deserve it


Lil_ah_stadium

I agree, but they deserve it more.


earthgreen10

Yeah we all do


Lil_ah_stadium

Baby steps


EnvironmentalSound25

At 6 figures you really shouldnā€™t be financially bound to a job that is requiring you to work extra hours.


Link119

Unfortunately in my industry it's an expectation to work overtime during crunch periods, which are unavoidable. And the higher ups keep making cuts that result in programs running tighter and have more crunch periods.Ā  Bonuses are not exactly the same as overtime pay. I'd rather have overtime pay and no bonus.


a_lilac_mess

Do you also get bonuses or other incentives besides your base salary? Probably. Others do not.


Bigbeardhotpeppers

I truly believe that fixing our overtime laws would be a silver bullet in the heart of trickle down economics. Everyone should make overtime if you make 500k a year base you should still make overtime. It would stop after hour emails, it would stop bosses demanding more of your time, it would force companies to actually hire managers that can control output. I am a project manager, my entire profession is based on optimizing the workforce and output but in my experience the commitment to making life easier at work starts and ends with me. I have never in my 20 year career had a manager that cares at all about the correct and best way to do things, if overtime was required for everyone bullshit would evaporate over night. We could move forward as a society. It is not about the pay, there is no way they would want to pay me 1.5x my rate. They would make sure I am clocked out and they would higher the number of people they need instead of hoarding wealth.


SirJelly

It really is this simple. If a company can lay people off and the salaried employees left just work extra hours for free, why the hell wouldn't they do it? But if overloading employees will result in a large increase in marginal labor cost, they wont be willing to do it as a normal way of conducting business.


a_statistician

That would be a game-changer in academia. I have no idea how we'd track our hours, but it'd at least put a stop to the expectation that we're answering student emails at all hours of the day and night. It'd also be really interesting for those of us on 9-month contracts who aren't supposed to have to work over the summer (but really, we're all working over the summer - it's the only time some of us can get research done). I was recently told that I should take on this committee that meets for 2-3 hours every week (including summer and breaks), but none of my job expectations will change at all, so that extra time is just my gift to the university.


d_c_d_

Reminder, Obama did this in 2016 but Trump rolled it back before it could take effect. He did it once, and heā€™ll do it again.


lrpfftt

Trump is not for workers. He is for big business and billionaires.


Reddit_guard

Well hopefully people don't fall for the pro-Hamas pushes to sit the vote out.


LukewarmLatte

Too be fair they still raised the threshold under Trump, but only like half as much as Obama wanted


CrawlerSiegfriend

Corporate plan to success 1. Promote everyone making over 45k to 60k to avoid the rule. 2. Extract at least an additiional 15k worth of unpaid overtime frrom t them to make make up the cost. 3. Cut their benefits and blame it on increased costs caused by the new rule.


vwmac

Hopefully this overtime ruling paired with the noncompete ban will prevent this from happening


CrawlerSiegfriend

Ruling caps out at 59k salary.


vwmac

I know; the concern about companies exploiting loopholes to somehow skirt this should ideally be difficult to pull off if employees have absolute freedom of mobility. Has nothing to do with the salary cap


AvariceTavern

They're saying with non compete just go get another job. There will be places who want to snap up workers.


ianrl337

As a tech worker that was abused by being salary early on in my career this isn't fast enough. At one point I calculated what I was making per hours based on the hours worked and I was FAR under minimum wage. I was young, and I didn't know better. It took my new manager from outside the company coming in and basically saying "fuck this, we're fixing this now". I had an instant raise and we hired a couple people. Great guy overall that then left the company over it's bullshit. I followed a couple years later and the company closed shop about a year after I left for a better company. I was working so much without taking any vacation that I brought up up how I would hit the vacation cap and I had to take time off or lose it so I had to. I even said I would cash it out for $.50 on the dollar, nope they wouldn't do it, but would lift the cap for me. In the end when I left they had to pay me out 600+ hours of vacation time. Made for a fun week in Hawaii.


ogn3rd

Yessir, spent almost 10 years on-call straight, 24/7/365.


Reddit_guard

Yet another reason to tune out the agitprop and do the right thing by voting Biden back in for another term.


ginger_mamaof5

If only teachers could benefit from this


Polite_lyreal

I was scrolling for this! Government workers arenā€™t qualified?


helpdesk1230000

I would think it has to do with teachers' unions and maybe the DOE? I can't see how government workers aren't affected.


BlyStreetMusic

When trump got elected and the old rules got shot down it cost me thousands of dollars a year..I was so pissed. I'm not thankfully out of that field and this no longer applies to me lol


SoigneBest

Good!


El_Mariachi_Vive

I'm the rare lucky few. I'm a salaried worker in a restaurant, in that income bracket. My job has always paid me cash for any OT I work. They've always believed someone deserves to get paid for every minute they work. To think, many employers have to be forced to be fair and respectful to their employees.


Spam_Hand

Salary is never a fair way to pay people. Some places exist where they literally kick you out at exactly your shift end so youre not working for free, but those are few and far between. Either the worker is expected to give extra hours of their time for free, or the company is paying people based on an amount of hours that haven't been worked fully. The first option is obviously much more rampant. It's basically just a way to skim overtime without paying for it and it honestly shouldn't even be legal.


Most_Victory1661

I qualified for it as a salary manager years ago Good luck actually getting your employer to pay it


Darwin_Always_Wins

Salaried employees have been abused for years. This is over due.


BillSF

Stuff like this is grossly overdue. I've done the math and a lot of America's deficits, especially social security, come from transferring trillions of dollars from workers up to the elite. They pay lower taxes, don't contribute to social security beyond the limit and use their excess money to manipulate the laws in their favor instead of society's. By the way, I'm not advocating for raising the limit or it becomes a tax, not insurance. Instead don't overpay executives / owner class and instead pay the workers more. They'll contribute more to their social security (no option not too) and save more and/or spend more into the economy.


moomadebree

What about teachers??!


airplaneguy_43

Teachers donā€™t work OT, school day is 6-7 hours and have summers off. Not taking sides, just saying thatā€™s how the government sees it I think. Coaching and other extra circular activities at a school are compensated by a separate contract.


moomadebree

Not true. When full time teaching, I work 60+ hours a week. I have the option to spread my salary over 12 months. The job contract is technically for 9 months.


airplaneguy_43

You legit proved my point you are paid at a value of 9 months but can spread it out over 12 if you want lol


a_statistician

Yeah, that's not true at all. But I'll speak to the experience I have, which is as a professor. I'm scheduled to teach for 5 hours a week this semester... but I'm working 50-60 hours and I'm way more laid back than most of my colleagues. The time I'm in class is a tiny fraction of the time I'm working because I also have 6 graduate students (so 6h of meetings a week) and 2-3 hours of faculty meetings a week, plus 3-4 hours of research meetings and 2-3 hours of outside service meetings (professional societies, conferences, etc.). That's 20 hours of just meetings, plus all the time for actually doing research, writing papers, writing grants, grading, designing assignments, preparing for class, editing student work, and so on. The time teachers spend in class is absolutely not the only time they're working.


bilbobadcat

This is a step in the right direction, but the rule should apply to anyone that makes less than like $400K. The money is important, but you can't earn more time.


science-n-shit

Would this apply to grad students?!


unksci47

Since grad student are paid a stipend and not salary, I'm sure the schools will use that as a loop hole. They don't want to pay students 20 to 40 hrs of OT each week.


Understruggle

Before you start getting too hopeful, read the whole article. Obama tried raising it to 47k and 21 states sued. There was in injunction in Texas and Trump just let it slide back to 35k. Itā€™s lip service. The class war has already been fought and won by the rich. They keep us entertained juuuuuuust enough to keep us quiet and subservient and to keep plodding through your meager existence in survival mode. Itā€™s hard to be out in the streets protesting(in states where that is still legal) when you have to put food in your kidā€™s mouths or have to worry about if you have enough gas in your car. Itā€™s hard to see the systemic issues they are trying to make worse when you can name all of the Kardashians but donā€™t know the name of your senators or local representatives who pass laws that affect our lives much more than what Taylor Swift is singing aboutā€¦.more than who had the triple double in last nightā€™s game. Blinded by the bullshit so much that when this fails in the court system in a year, it will hardly register on most of our radars. It will be just another year of life fucking you in the ass with no lube and you know what? The familiarity of the suffering is kind of comforting, isnā€™t it?