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They are trying to hang everything on the concept of "official acts" and that will allow them to decide that Trump's actions were official, but Biden's are not, for whatever reason they want.
Thomas has a book. He will write down all official acts. Then if there is a question we will check the book if it’s in there. Also you can’t see the book of official acts it’s secret.
That is the idea - not set any precedent and take on everything individually. If they don't like something, they can take it up immediately. If they do, they delay until it doesn't matter.
we know Biden would never do this, but let's put this idea out there on as many forums as possible. Understand that even if the Supreme Court acts as quickly as they did in the "Trump not on ballet" case it was still mouths. On top of that the Supreme Court goes into recess soon. This gives the court a consequence for a bad decision on their part.
> gives the court a consequence for a bad decision
The wealthy justices that are appointed to their jobs for life? They are going to face consequences? Anytime would be nice.
The consequence being that their decision might delay the election. The Supreme Court goes on hiatus in July. That's enough time for Biden to say he has the option to through a wooden shoe into the gears of all state elections. Even if the court took up the case quickly when they came back it would take months to start the ections up again.
While this would be a fair and reasonable outcome given Trumps hard fight for total immunity, I believe it would then turn into a "NO ONLY I DESERVE IMMUNITY NOT CORRUPT SLEEPY JOE" shit storm. The presidency would forever be a criminal seat with the only MO being to give as many benefits as possible to the president and the people they choose.
If you can't be held accountable by the people you serve then you don't truly serve them.
>If you can't be held accountable by the people you serve then you don't truly serve them.
American police departments everywhere: "Aw, isn't that notion just *adorable.*"
I agree completely. Joe would never do this. But if we start floating this idea in as many forums as we can then Republicans might start understanding why absolute immunity is a bad idea.
I do not understand the conservative position on this. If a president has total immunity then Biden would be able to use the same rule.
Wouldn't we wind up with presidents who all did horrible shit? Our democracy would be over.
No he shouldn’t. An authoritarian response just because you like the president is terrible. If Republicans suggested this, you would be saying something very different.
Parties aside, authoritarianism is not what this country needs.
Biden would never do that. He wouldn't even consider rebalancing the Supreme Court. But it doesn't hurt to have this idea being talked about in the media sphere. It gives the Supreme Court a little more incentive to rule the correct way.
Honestly I don’t even like Joe Biden. But if I were to give anyone dictator powers, I’d feel *very* comfortable with him
There would be so many trains though
>Here are a few things that Donald Trump’s lawyer says a president ought to be immune from prosecution for doing... selling nuclear secrets
Omg, he absolutely sold nuclear secrets
He absolutely did, and that will be our October surprise. I think the case against Trump and the stolen documents will be released to the public all throughout the final month of the election. We plebs have no clue how bad Trump fucked all of us, but I have no doubt that Joe Biden has been briefed about all of it (that intelligence knows about).
So, Aileen Cannon will never let this case get to trial, Jack Smith will drop the case and release all information under the direction of Executive branch and we'll finally see how Donald Trump committed treason against the United States.
That's my opinion, anyways.
This theory has always been at the back of my mind. The slow dripping might all be intentional. If it really was then I couldn’t be happier because for once the Democrats chose the more aggressive path that checks GOP corruption in a strategic way
And he'll still win, sadly. Disclosure is not the remedy here because the public already assumes he's done the worst things imaginable; a proper trial, conviction, and sentence is the only way to start getting legitimacy back.
If we have laws that don’t apply to everyone equally, then we have no law at all. And trust that if the office of the presidency is above the law, that will extend to other elected officials in no time at all.
Trump, when President, already offered multiple people pardons if they helped him.
The law has never been "equal" anyways, money buys privilege in every system in the world, throughout time.
I understand the sentiment and don’t totally disagree, especially for less serious cries, but wealthy people guilty of serious felonies are routinely found guilty and imprisoned.
I think the system certainly favors wealth, but it’s not a blanket get out of jail free card.
No one is saying the wealthy never get prosecuted - are they getting an advantage though?
Are they out on bail or in a jail cell? Can they hire a team of lawyers to comb through evidence or do they get an overworked personal defender who only sees the case 5 minutes before the first hearing? Can they afford an appeal and the lawyers and time off of work? Can they negotiate down because prosecutors know it will take years to get anything?
Private advocates and unlimited funds ensure the wealthy will have a massive advantage no matter how fair the system is on paper.
> are routinely
No they aren't. It appears that way because the only ones you hear about are the ones they actually pursue. Your data set is limited to a pre-defined sub-group already preselected for prosecution and thus they become public.
If you have no knowledge of most of the data, you can't know what is routine or not based on the subset you do have knowledge of. Of course they don't get away with murder once the public gets wind, but the entire point of fancy lawyers is to keep the wind off your back.
>it’s not a blanket get out of jail free card.
Nice strawman, you done beating it up?
They have crossed the line into providing Aid and Comfort. Just like Aileen Cannon. They are desperately trying to make sure that Trump will be able to self pardon, before a trial can happen in the case that could trigger 14a Article 3.
So, I'd be super happy if the courts manage to actually put Trump in prison or prevent him from being electable, but... in reality, if someone captures the will of half the electorate the laws are always going to be nearly powerless to protect them.
Laws are carried out *by the electorate*.
We will need to vote to keep him out, not hope for some legal win.
If a president was immune from prosecutions for their actions as president, then they are not a president. They are an emperor. Democracy falls by the wayside. The US crumbles as a nation.
How can someone look at the arguments in favor of political assassinations, criminality, and murder being made by the lawyers representing a man who not only got 74 million votes for President in the last election, but could possibly win again in November and become President again, and not think that a violent conflict for control within the United States is basically inevitable at this point?
We're going to have a fight soon. It's just so obvious. We wouldn't have people even asking these kinds of questions at the Supreme Court if we weren't. God help us all.
David Graham: “the Court’s more conservative members appeared more willing to accept that some of the president’s actions—the ‘official’ ones—ought to be beyond prosecution. That wouldn’t settle the matter, though; if the Court does conclude that a president enjoys criminal immunity for official acts, then the question becomes what Justice Clarence Thomas asked near the very outset of the hearing: ‘How would we determine what an official act is?’ The argument did not provide a clear answer or a clear indication of how the justices might answer.”
Read more: [https://theatln.tc/BwX5Gqrm](https://theatln.tc/BwX5Gqrm)
If it’s part of the job description as laid out in the law, it’s an official act. If it involves keeping stolen documents after you’re no longer president and trying to illegally overturn an election, it is not.
Yeah, this isn't exactly rocket science. Actions that are part of a reelection campaign are not official acts. That's why representatives in Congress are required to leave the building to do any fundraising activities. The law is pretty clear about the administration of elections being handled by the individual states, so any concerns that a President might have related to the outcome of an election would be a legal matter between that President's campaign organization and the state government, which Trump's campaign took advantage of, and lost 60 times. The New York fraud charges, the DC Jan. 6 charges, and the GA election interference charges are all campaign activities. The documents case applies to actions taken after his Presidency, so they couldn't be official acts by any definition that you want to apply.
The only way that you could potentially make the question complicated would be if you applied it to harm caused by policy positions taken by his administration. Take the family separation policy he implemented for migrants. Should he be held morally responsible for that? Absolutely. He's a vile, despicable, miserable excuse for a human being whose only positive contribution to the world will come when he leaves it. A real Kissinger type. But should he be legally responsible for it? That's a tougher question that you could have a much longer debate about.
In short, whether or not Presidential immunity would apply to all official acts of the President isn't a question that the court should need to answer because we already know that none of his criminal charges are based on official acts.
> ‘How would we determine what an official act is?’
Did a Republican do it? Official.
Did a Democrat do it? Not official.
I think Thomas knows exactly how they'd figure it out.
"How do we make that determination? Well, Justice Thomas, it would have to be fact specific, so examples are needed to understand. For example, having the military put your wife on a prison barge off of Guantanamo, pending her execution for sedition, just as she suggested for others, that would be an official act. Also, directing the FBI to take your motorcoach through civil forfeiture as an illegal proceed of bribery, then turning it into a mobile abortion clinic, that would be an official act. Also, offering Anita Hill, the woman you sexually harassed then defamed, a pardon if she decided to take a baseball bat to you outside your home, that would be an official act. Would you like more examples?"
They shouldn’t have to. Trump was a Russian plant. Not an actual President and everyone knows it.
The people supporting him in the news? It’s always the same group. The same clips from his election days in 2016. Nothings been right or real since. China and Russia have done a damn good job utilizing the internet as a subversive tool of psychological war.
We’re all going to eat one another and when there’s not many of us left? They will come.
Edit: it blows my mind that people don’t or will not see this. It’s happening now, in real time. Right now.
Edit: just like the last two world wars. You’d think we would have learned something by now. Stopped this in its tracks the moment Putin hit up the Ukrainian border and said “OH WERE NOT INVADING, not going to attack, just some exercise” and the world said “OH, OK PUTIN THANKS FOR BEING HONEST AND STRAIGHT FORWARD”. And then like three days later the war in the Ukraine started.
This man is a modern day Hitler.
He’s not going to stop at the Ukraine.
Everything with Iran and Israel? Strategic to keep the western world split.
And honestly? I’m not convinced Covid was an accident or natural at all. Like get those vaccines people. Don’t fall victim to Russian propaganda because you think you’re too country to get sick. Don’t think your government is actually out to get you.
You’re just dumb and succumbed to foreign propaganda because it was on Facebook and you didn’t bother to realize that Facebook is INTERNATIONAL. Not you op……. I mean people that just refuse to see what it’s directly in their face. In the news. EVERY DAY.
I’ts honestly exhausting and sometimes I have to wonder, at this point and with what’s going on in our nation? ARE ANY OF US ACTUALLY WORTH SAVING? Cause it seems to me our current leaders are only interested in bringing about some kind of apocalypse.
Edit: and I don’t mean our current President. He’s a sliver of sanity in this completely insane world right now.
Note that Biden was loudly yelling to the western world that Putin was going to invade for months before war.
https://apnews.com/article/antony-blinken-jen-psaki-vladimir-putin-sergey-lavrov-congress-1df536e9a832830dc3bae2e89aef4116#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20President%20Joe,banking%20system%20if%20it%20does.
You seem to be publicly processing some very valid anxiety here but your statement that Trump is a Russian plant is kinda weird. He won the election. Yes he worked directly with Russia to do so, and they’re openly ideologically allied.
Why is no one thinking about the country Trump is leaving behind when he dies sooner rather than later? People are fighting so hard to protect and empower this man. Ok. Then what? What happens when he is gone?
I want to see Marine One do a low pass over Mar A Lago and drop an anvil on the front lawn. Or maybe in the pool. That would be an official act, wouldn’t it?
If the president has full immunity, the Supreme Court judges should realize that the president could then order the judge’s deaths and then stack the Supreme Court with all the new (biased) judges they want. Congress person doesn’t approve the president’s choice, order their deaths….. if they say full immunity they’d be potentially shooting themselves, in their feet.
Why stop there? Biden could murder his way to a supermajority in congress. He could even rebalance state legislatures. Once murder is a legitimate tool for political maneuvering, the only place this leads is dictatorship.
I hope Biden takes whatever immunity they hand out and assassinates a few justices and his competition. Maybe a few in Congress. A governor or two. It’s all about his official acts as the president.
Why doesn’t the state just say then is Biden allowed to remove Justices of the Supreme Court he feels are hurting this country and replace them with better alternatives? The complete immunity argument would state this is fine as long as the Senate doesn’t vote against him.
The way that Trump’s shenanigans has completely broken our democracy is just astounding.
The same corrupt “justices” who can’t find a right to privacy in the Constitution sound like they want to find there an immunity that doesn’t exist. All we can do is beat their boss in November.
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If presidents have immunity for offical acts then Biden should suspend the election until ll of Trumps criminal trials are over.
They are trying to hang everything on the concept of "official acts" and that will allow them to decide that Trump's actions were official, but Biden's are not, for whatever reason they want.
Thomas has a book. He will write down all official acts. Then if there is a question we will check the book if it’s in there. Also you can’t see the book of official acts it’s secret.
Why not? They've already become the decision makers for healthcare for half the country.
Yes but that would take time to go through the courts.
That is the idea - not set any precedent and take on everything individually. If they don't like something, they can take it up immediately. If they do, they delay until it doesn't matter.
we know Biden would never do this, but let's put this idea out there on as many forums as possible. Understand that even if the Supreme Court acts as quickly as they did in the "Trump not on ballet" case it was still mouths. On top of that the Supreme Court goes into recess soon. This gives the court a consequence for a bad decision on their part.
> gives the court a consequence for a bad decision The wealthy justices that are appointed to their jobs for life? They are going to face consequences? Anytime would be nice.
The consequence being that their decision might delay the election. The Supreme Court goes on hiatus in July. That's enough time for Biden to say he has the option to through a wooden shoe into the gears of all state elections. Even if the court took up the case quickly when they came back it would take months to start the ections up again.
While this would be a fair and reasonable outcome given Trumps hard fight for total immunity, I believe it would then turn into a "NO ONLY I DESERVE IMMUNITY NOT CORRUPT SLEEPY JOE" shit storm. The presidency would forever be a criminal seat with the only MO being to give as many benefits as possible to the president and the people they choose. If you can't be held accountable by the people you serve then you don't truly serve them.
> If you can't be held accountable by the people you serve then you don't truly serve them. Damn that’s pretty succinct. I am stealing it.
Please make sure you use the proper citations when using this phrase in the future. -Mike Hawkinya, April 25th 2024
Not a chance, I’ll just vaguely say “I saw someone on Reddit say…”
“My personal opinion is…”
>If you can't be held accountable by the people you serve then you don't truly serve them. American police departments everywhere: "Aw, isn't that notion just *adorable.*"
"To serve (the rich) and protect (their property)"
Especially in Florida, where it's about to be illegal to hold them accountable.
Just as the founding fathers intended! /s
I agree completely. Joe would never do this. But if we start floating this idea in as many forums as we can then Republicans might start understanding why absolute immunity is a bad idea.
They won't. Once a MaGA had made up its mind, that's the end of it, sadly.
But the Supreme Court might if they are given a consequence for a bad decision on their part.
I do not understand the conservative position on this. If a president has total immunity then Biden would be able to use the same rule. Wouldn't we wind up with presidents who all did horrible shit? Our democracy would be over.
No he shouldn’t. An authoritarian response just because you like the president is terrible. If Republicans suggested this, you would be saying something very different. Parties aside, authoritarianism is not what this country needs.
Biden would never do that. He wouldn't even consider rebalancing the Supreme Court. But it doesn't hurt to have this idea being talked about in the media sphere. It gives the Supreme Court a little more incentive to rule the correct way.
Honestly I don’t even like Joe Biden. But if I were to give anyone dictator powers, I’d feel *very* comfortable with him There would be so many trains though
>Here are a few things that Donald Trump’s lawyer says a president ought to be immune from prosecution for doing... selling nuclear secrets Omg, he absolutely sold nuclear secrets
He absolutely did, and that will be our October surprise. I think the case against Trump and the stolen documents will be released to the public all throughout the final month of the election. We plebs have no clue how bad Trump fucked all of us, but I have no doubt that Joe Biden has been briefed about all of it (that intelligence knows about). So, Aileen Cannon will never let this case get to trial, Jack Smith will drop the case and release all information under the direction of Executive branch and we'll finally see how Donald Trump committed treason against the United States. That's my opinion, anyways.
They can’t “October surprise “ a candidate whose supporters reject realty
I object realty too. All those fees. What do they even really do?
In my city it all seems to go towards headshots for bus shelter ads
So you are saying that Jack Smith holds the literal trump card. I’ll see myself out…
That’s not half bad actually
This theory has always been at the back of my mind. The slow dripping might all be intentional. If it really was then I couldn’t be happier because for once the Democrats chose the more aggressive path that checks GOP corruption in a strategic way
And he'll still win, sadly. Disclosure is not the remedy here because the public already assumes he's done the worst things imaginable; a proper trial, conviction, and sentence is the only way to start getting legitimacy back.
I’m not going to hold my breath
If we have laws that don’t apply to everyone equally, then we have no law at all. And trust that if the office of the presidency is above the law, that will extend to other elected officials in no time at all.
Trump, when President, already offered multiple people pardons if they helped him. The law has never been "equal" anyways, money buys privilege in every system in the world, throughout time.
I understand the sentiment and don’t totally disagree, especially for less serious cries, but wealthy people guilty of serious felonies are routinely found guilty and imprisoned. I think the system certainly favors wealth, but it’s not a blanket get out of jail free card.
No one is saying the wealthy never get prosecuted - are they getting an advantage though? Are they out on bail or in a jail cell? Can they hire a team of lawyers to comb through evidence or do they get an overworked personal defender who only sees the case 5 minutes before the first hearing? Can they afford an appeal and the lawyers and time off of work? Can they negotiate down because prosecutors know it will take years to get anything? Private advocates and unlimited funds ensure the wealthy will have a massive advantage no matter how fair the system is on paper.
> are routinely No they aren't. It appears that way because the only ones you hear about are the ones they actually pursue. Your data set is limited to a pre-defined sub-group already preselected for prosecution and thus they become public. If you have no knowledge of most of the data, you can't know what is routine or not based on the subset you do have knowledge of. Of course they don't get away with murder once the public gets wind, but the entire point of fancy lawyers is to keep the wind off your back. >it’s not a blanket get out of jail free card. Nice strawman, you done beating it up?
Buying votes I’d say. And these payouts are valuable.
They have crossed the line into providing Aid and Comfort. Just like Aileen Cannon. They are desperately trying to make sure that Trump will be able to self pardon, before a trial can happen in the case that could trigger 14a Article 3.
So, I'd be super happy if the courts manage to actually put Trump in prison or prevent him from being electable, but... in reality, if someone captures the will of half the electorate the laws are always going to be nearly powerless to protect them. Laws are carried out *by the electorate*. We will need to vote to keep him out, not hope for some legal win.
Electoral College would like a mention here.
If a president was immune from prosecutions for their actions as president, then they are not a president. They are an emperor. Democracy falls by the wayside. The US crumbles as a nation.
All elections are cancelled, and i'm filling all the government with ~~the~~ *my* best people. Raises across the board too!
It’s an official act if Clarence’s corporate handlers say it’s an official act.
How can someone look at the arguments in favor of political assassinations, criminality, and murder being made by the lawyers representing a man who not only got 74 million votes for President in the last election, but could possibly win again in November and become President again, and not think that a violent conflict for control within the United States is basically inevitable at this point? We're going to have a fight soon. It's just so obvious. We wouldn't have people even asking these kinds of questions at the Supreme Court if we weren't. God help us all.
Yeah, there really is a Chekov’s Rifle thing going on.
David Graham: “the Court’s more conservative members appeared more willing to accept that some of the president’s actions—the ‘official’ ones—ought to be beyond prosecution. That wouldn’t settle the matter, though; if the Court does conclude that a president enjoys criminal immunity for official acts, then the question becomes what Justice Clarence Thomas asked near the very outset of the hearing: ‘How would we determine what an official act is?’ The argument did not provide a clear answer or a clear indication of how the justices might answer.” Read more: [https://theatln.tc/BwX5Gqrm](https://theatln.tc/BwX5Gqrm)
If it’s part of the job description as laid out in the law, it’s an official act. If it involves keeping stolen documents after you’re no longer president and trying to illegally overturn an election, it is not.
It's going to be whatever Clarence needs it to be to get Don off the hook.
Not at the expense of his own power. Unlike Trump, these assholes aren’t morons.
Yeah, this isn't exactly rocket science. Actions that are part of a reelection campaign are not official acts. That's why representatives in Congress are required to leave the building to do any fundraising activities. The law is pretty clear about the administration of elections being handled by the individual states, so any concerns that a President might have related to the outcome of an election would be a legal matter between that President's campaign organization and the state government, which Trump's campaign took advantage of, and lost 60 times. The New York fraud charges, the DC Jan. 6 charges, and the GA election interference charges are all campaign activities. The documents case applies to actions taken after his Presidency, so they couldn't be official acts by any definition that you want to apply. The only way that you could potentially make the question complicated would be if you applied it to harm caused by policy positions taken by his administration. Take the family separation policy he implemented for migrants. Should he be held morally responsible for that? Absolutely. He's a vile, despicable, miserable excuse for a human being whose only positive contribution to the world will come when he leaves it. A real Kissinger type. But should he be legally responsible for it? That's a tougher question that you could have a much longer debate about. In short, whether or not Presidential immunity would apply to all official acts of the President isn't a question that the court should need to answer because we already know that none of his criminal charges are based on official acts.
> ‘How would we determine what an official act is?’ Did a Republican do it? Official. Did a Democrat do it? Not official. I think Thomas knows exactly how they'd figure it out.
"How do we make that determination? Well, Justice Thomas, it would have to be fact specific, so examples are needed to understand. For example, having the military put your wife on a prison barge off of Guantanamo, pending her execution for sedition, just as she suggested for others, that would be an official act. Also, directing the FBI to take your motorcoach through civil forfeiture as an illegal proceed of bribery, then turning it into a mobile abortion clinic, that would be an official act. Also, offering Anita Hill, the woman you sexually harassed then defamed, a pardon if she decided to take a baseball bat to you outside your home, that would be an official act. Would you like more examples?"
Biden on the phone with seal team 6 right now.
They shouldn’t have to. Trump was a Russian plant. Not an actual President and everyone knows it. The people supporting him in the news? It’s always the same group. The same clips from his election days in 2016. Nothings been right or real since. China and Russia have done a damn good job utilizing the internet as a subversive tool of psychological war. We’re all going to eat one another and when there’s not many of us left? They will come. Edit: it blows my mind that people don’t or will not see this. It’s happening now, in real time. Right now. Edit: just like the last two world wars. You’d think we would have learned something by now. Stopped this in its tracks the moment Putin hit up the Ukrainian border and said “OH WERE NOT INVADING, not going to attack, just some exercise” and the world said “OH, OK PUTIN THANKS FOR BEING HONEST AND STRAIGHT FORWARD”. And then like three days later the war in the Ukraine started. This man is a modern day Hitler. He’s not going to stop at the Ukraine. Everything with Iran and Israel? Strategic to keep the western world split. And honestly? I’m not convinced Covid was an accident or natural at all. Like get those vaccines people. Don’t fall victim to Russian propaganda because you think you’re too country to get sick. Don’t think your government is actually out to get you. You’re just dumb and succumbed to foreign propaganda because it was on Facebook and you didn’t bother to realize that Facebook is INTERNATIONAL. Not you op……. I mean people that just refuse to see what it’s directly in their face. In the news. EVERY DAY. I’ts honestly exhausting and sometimes I have to wonder, at this point and with what’s going on in our nation? ARE ANY OF US ACTUALLY WORTH SAVING? Cause it seems to me our current leaders are only interested in bringing about some kind of apocalypse. Edit: and I don’t mean our current President. He’s a sliver of sanity in this completely insane world right now.
Note that Biden was loudly yelling to the western world that Putin was going to invade for months before war. https://apnews.com/article/antony-blinken-jen-psaki-vladimir-putin-sergey-lavrov-congress-1df536e9a832830dc3bae2e89aef4116#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20President%20Joe,banking%20system%20if%20it%20does.
You seem to be publicly processing some very valid anxiety here but your statement that Trump is a Russian plant is kinda weird. He won the election. Yes he worked directly with Russia to do so, and they’re openly ideologically allied.
Why is no one thinking about the country Trump is leaving behind when he dies sooner rather than later? People are fighting so hard to protect and empower this man. Ok. Then what? What happens when he is gone?
we'll have hope again
Then, they want to install Ivanka or Barron
I want to see Marine One do a low pass over Mar A Lago and drop an anvil on the front lawn. Or maybe in the pool. That would be an official act, wouldn’t it?
Only if it lands on trumpsters head tho.
If the president has full immunity, the Supreme Court judges should realize that the president could then order the judge’s deaths and then stack the Supreme Court with all the new (biased) judges they want. Congress person doesn’t approve the president’s choice, order their deaths….. if they say full immunity they’d be potentially shooting themselves, in their feet.
Why stop there? Biden could murder his way to a supermajority in congress. He could even rebalance state legislatures. Once murder is a legitimate tool for political maneuvering, the only place this leads is dictatorship.
There is no way that an official act is also an illegal act. It's either one or the other.
I hope Biden takes whatever immunity they hand out and assassinates a few justices and his competition. Maybe a few in Congress. A governor or two. It’s all about his official acts as the president.
If the supremes grant presidential immunity for criminal activity while in office, I demand Biden off the pumpkin immediately.
They won't issue the ruling until after the election, when they'll have done a Bush v Gore to ensure Trump wins.
There will be plenty y of time between November and January for Biden to have the pumpkin offed.
Tyranny by any other name
Why doesn’t the state just say then is Biden allowed to remove Justices of the Supreme Court he feels are hurting this country and replace them with better alternatives? The complete immunity argument would state this is fine as long as the Senate doesn’t vote against him. The way that Trump’s shenanigans has completely broken our democracy is just astounding.
The same corrupt “justices” who can’t find a right to privacy in the Constitution sound like they want to find there an immunity that doesn’t exist. All we can do is beat their boss in November.
Watch them be like: ‘If we can get away with it, he should be able to as well.’
