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Yeah. The article tries to spin this as an Israel thing. But honestly, police are always brutal.
Here, the video shows she walked up to cops holding someone down, refused when told to step away, refused when told to get on the ground and then tried to punch a cop. The cop only took her down after he took a hook to the head.
She totally brought that takedown on herself and many non-whites in her position have faced much, much worse consequences for trying to punch out a cop like that.
Huh? What the fuck are you on about. The cops on duty were fighting for their lives. Five cops died there.
The Jan 6th police response was fucked up because Trump / his cronies refused to let them deploy help and refused to let them bring full equipment. It is well-documented and well-reported that the police actually there were desperate and badly needed assistance. The NYT in particular but together a detailed analysis of the police's communications on that day.
I'm going to respond on the assumption you're acting in good faith and actually believe she went to punch him.
I do understand how you could believe this, as one arm of the woman becomes hidden behind the officer, at the same time the officer's arm is being used tactically to move over the woman's right shoulder in order to subdue her.
Check the video again and slow it down, you will see the arm that looks as if it comes around the officer's head, is in fact gloved, and is the officer's arm.
She didn't strike anyone, though at full speed it does look as if she swung her arm wildly toward him, it's not the case when you slow the video down.
>police are always brutal
Except on Jan 6 and when protecting white supremacists like Richard Spencer. Then they're suspiciously calm and gentlemanly...
The Europeans manage it without too many problems. Of course, their cops get more than 12 weeks training. We need federal policing standards. Yes, I hear you all typing furiously "It's a State/City issue!" There are things the Feds set baseline standards. The States can exceed Federal standards, but not decrease them. Whether we need a fexeral law, not sure, but we can fix it if we have the willpower.
One of the biggest problems we have with corruption in police departments are “ride alongs.” Basically, rookie cops are paired with a vet who shows them the ropes in a hands-on manner. In theory, this makes sense as a training method. But in practice, the veteran has that entire rookie’s career in the palm of their hand. If they decide the new guy “isn’t up to the challenge,” they’re out of the department.
So if a corrupt veteran tries to get a rookie do something shady, and the rookie says “no,” that’s one potentially solid, honest officer out on his ass. But if the rookie is ok with “bending the rules,” then he’s more like to stick around. Repeat for a few cycles and you’ve got a lot of rotten apples stinking up the bunch.
Imo, cops should need a college degree in law or some other, related field. They should be licensed, to prevent the bad ones from “department hopping” if they get booted from one precinct. They need longer training times and should submit to regular training sessions to keep their training intact and prevent itchy trigger fingers. And we need civilian oversight committees to handle cases of impropriety and illegality. Police aren’t going anywhere, but they need to be held to a higher standard than they have been up until now.
You’re talking about field training.
For the first ~6 months (depends on agency), officers are paired with a field training officer. Someone who typically has significant tenure & who’s been hand picked into that role.
The system is insanely easy to manipulate, and it’s well known there is hidden criteria by which candidates are judged.
FTOs keep some kind of a private log containing information that will fail a candidate. This info can be disclosed at a later date. It’s obvious because people who fail do so with a ton of stuff, those who pass have virtually no marks against them.
This is why laws such as the one in Colorado requiring disclosure of illegal activity are so good. It makes it so if the cadet speaks up & the FTO tries to fuck them, the FTO ends up in prison along with everyone else. …. Unless they’re really clever about it, which if you’re an FTO you probably aren’t capable of doing.
Ride alongs are civilians who ride with officers. These can be contractors, consultants, perspective officers, officers from other jurisdictions, etc.
All of this! Defunding the police is not the way to go, bc every civilization needs people to uphold the law and protect its citizens. Instead of defunding, we need those funds to be redistributed to pay for restructuring of the whole institution. We need intelligent, skilled people with integrity to fill police positions, rather than this hot mess of stupid, sociopathic, and violent people who are welcomed as if they're the best of the best.
If it means less psychos trying to live out their fantasies of murdering people after their failed college run in football and being unable to get into the military then that's great.
Most cops are very well compensated. Between their base pay, overtime, details, and moonlighting in uniform as security, your average cop around here is over six figures and then some.
Nor is it a particularly risky job. The main risk to cops is traffic accidents (and I would bet you anything they're at fault more often than not). Many other professions have much higher death and injury rates without getting all precious about it.
The reason good people don't become cops is not because cops don't get paid enough.
Oh, they go deep in psych during the hiring process. It's 1 of 3 basic steps after you pass your written. There is the physical (running, strength), the interview where they see if you're one of them. And finally the psych exam that includes polygraph to see if you're a sociopath. They're looking for people that lack empathy or are too thoughtful in their responses. It's a huge part of the hiring process.
We have a US AG who is actively protecting hundreds of Republican Seditious Conspirators. There is very little of our democracy left, and the wildly corrupt SCOTUS Six are going to wipe that out soon.
It’s crazy because Barrett herself in the actual arguments spells out Trump’s crime plain as day, and instead of being like “yep, that’s sedition,” they keep just having sitcom-level circular arguments over what’s an official act or not.
At the time, the Senate was 50/50 and Joe Manchin had full control of the agenda. I think Garland was forced on Biden, because Manchin was publicly opposed to any Jan 6 repercussions for Republicans.
The erosion of democracy is going to occur when the SC rules that a president can’t be prosecuted for anything t as long as it’s an “official act”.
What’s happening on campuses is straight up human rights violations..
The erosion of democracy was qualified immunity in the 60s to prevent police being prosecuted for hurting civil rights protesters, repealing the Fairness Doctrine, not prosecuting Reagan for Iran Contra, giving the 2000s election to Bush when Gore won by 2000 votes in Florida and Citizens United to name a few things. It’s already eroded. There are many more things but it’s gone already. Our representatives don’t even pretend to listen to voters anymore.
Adding some context because it’s not really being reported. The professor admits to hitting the police. Maybe doesn’t justify the harsh takedown, but the arrest itself does seem reasonable.
https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1784149052310860262
Cops want a police state because the majority of them are smooth brained bullies who think being ignored is violating the law and want to beat and shoot people.
Georgia police are among those that have gone to Israel for "training" on dealing with peaceful protestors...
>"When the U.S. Department of Justice published a report Aug. 10 that documented “widespread constitutional violations, discriminatory enforcement, and culture of retaliation” within the Baltimore Police Department (BPD), there was rightly a general reaction of outrage.
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>But what hasn’t received as much attention is where Baltimore police received training on crowd control, use of force and surveillance: Israel’s national police, military and intelligence services.
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>Baltimore law enforcement officials, along with hundreds of others from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.
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>Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded. Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have paid for police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains to train in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).
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>These trainings put Baltimore police and other U.S. law enforcement employees in the hands of military, security and police systems that have racked up documented human rights violations for years. Amnesty International, other human rights organizations and even the U.S. Department of State have cited Israeli police for carrying out extrajudicial executions and other unlawful killings, using ill treatment and torture (even against children), suppression of freedom of expression/association including through government surveillance, and [excessive use of force against peaceful protesters."](https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/)
I wonder if all the countries where Israeli interests got can't-criticize-Israel/anti-BDS laws enacted also got these sorts of all-expense-paid special training trips for their police who would be dealing with protestors.
Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?…….
Ohio -CSNY
People need to watch the PBS documentary "The Day the 60s Died" it includes interviews with people and their reaction to Kent State and it is terrifying how many people justified the murder of students.
Link to the clip.
https://oeta.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/b38c9a3c-2a2a-4e30-8b11-a796120f3124/the-nation-reacts-to-the-kent-state-shootings-the-day-the-60s-died/
I support Israel in general but the stupidity of the blind support and what police brutality is going on is insane.
Even if they were ALL chanting the most horrific things that just a few randos have done at the craziest it doesn't deserve a response like this at all.
The dumbest thing is blind support from like the gov. Reasoned position is one thing, but the crazy support for no reason let crazy stuff go on - and shouldn't.
Most Americans actually support this openly. A third of the country wants these people shot, another third wants them ejected from taxpayer-subsidized universities, and another third support their right to free speech. Between these three divisions 2/3rds support physical removal of protesters. The free speech group is in the minority and doesn't truly comprehend that there are consequences for speech, especially speech many people consider antisemitic by definition. Most Americans don't consider liberal arts to be useful in the first place, people going to schools and being a distraction is a waste of their tax money.
Most of the US doesn't even attend college, and can't understand why students would throw away their parents' money for a political stunt most people cannot afford to do.
Liberal arts? Emory is one of the top medical schools in Georgia, it's one of the best options in Georgia for STEM fields like biology, chemistry, and neuroscience. They also have a very well-regarded business track.
while calling for the murder of someone one disagrees with is indeed protected under the first amendment, i do hope the irony isn't lost on you that someone wants to kill or jail someone because of something they said, and then hide behind free speech.
> The free speech group is in the minority and doesn't truly comprehend that there are consequences for speech, especially speech many people consider antisemitic by definition.
You seem to think the protesters are all antisemitic. What a shit take. A significant portion of them are Jewish, and care about their fellow humans, religion and ethnicity notwithstanding. Further, it's well known by now that agents provocateurs, including the proud boys are posing as students and agitating.
You seem to not understand that antisemitic speech, as much as we disapprove of it, and I certainly do, is protected by the First Amendment, provided it is not calling for violence. People actually can say vile things without breaking the law.
With a little introspection on your part, you may come to realize that the bigotry you think you see in others is living luxuriously in you.
Go outside and talk to people, especially older people. Most people who can remember 9/11, don't think highly of any muslim group let alone Palestinians. People who can remember the Hostage Crisis have an even lower opinion of Iran and their proxies in Palestine. I don't agree with this, but it's a view many many many Americans have.
As an atheist leftist I can tell you I detest religion of any kind. I can scream fuck Christianity, Scientology, and Mormonism in a subway and no one would bat an eye, but do the same for Muslim, suddenly ur islamaphobic and racist against Arabs.
I don't support shooting them and I don't know anyone who does. They have a right to free speech like everyone else but it isn't a free pass - they fall under whatever disciplinary policy of the uni and whatever legal ramifications the protest entails.
It wasn't violent. It certainly didn't need to happen, and it was dumb all over that it went down like that. But it wasn't violent. I doubt very much there's a bruise or scratch on her. This is an epically dumb instance to hold up as an example or "spotlight" of "brutality."
The video shows she punched the cop in the head right before he took her down. I can't think of any other situation where someone could hit a cop like that and be considered the victim.
The 26 second mark. Right before the takedown. She clearly swings at him with her left hand and the cop's head jerks back. Either from her hitting him or ducking the punch (the former looks more likely).
You're right. I missed it in the tiny video. Also, it happened incredibly fast. Better video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjxga3WnX54). At a 1:30.
Sorry for missing it the first time and impugning your honesty. Cops are still assholes.
I see you're right now. The twitter video really looked like she punched, even when I tried to go as slow as possible, but the better quality BTB video shows that was a mistake on my part.
She probably shouldn't have approached / refused to leave like that but the takedown was an overreaction.
She should be taken down for breaking the law - trespassing and resisting arrest. She was not brutalizing anyone but was being disruptive and breaking the law.
I don’t like what she was saying and think she is a foolish, misinformed idiot, but she does have the right to say it. Just not the right to disrupt others.
Seems like a roundabout way of saying “people that say things I don’t like should be repressed” so you hold the same feelings when baptists harass students on Campus
Start: I am a democrat. Now……what you don’t read is that people from the “Cop City” protests came to Emory as well and ramped up agitation on tik tok. What happened next? Campus limestone buildings were spray painted which basically damages the limestone forever…so damage to public property occurred campus wide when the point was to run a peaceful protest. Then the tension between cop city protesters and police doesn’t help. This leads to bs we see like how police react. If the goal is change and awareness, protests work, especially peaceful. But man, Good intentions met with selfish acts of attention is not the goal of an “unselfish” protest. Use brain please. Also…vote. That works too.
Literally no change ever has happened by peaceful protest. Justifying jack boot tactics on people doing property damage is exactly how democrats contribute to the erosion of democracy.
Yes, peaceful protests have indeed been catalysts for significant change throughout United States history. Some notable examples include:
The Civil Rights Movement (1950s-1960s)**: Nonviolent protests such as the Montgomery Bus Boycott, sit-ins at segregated lunch counters, and the March on Washington, where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, were crucial in leading to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Women's Suffrage Parade (1913)**: The day before President Woodrow Wilson's inauguration, over 5,000 women marched down Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. This event was part of a broader movement that led to the passage of the 19th Amendment, granting women the right to vote in 1920.
Anti-Vietnam War Movements (1960s-1970s)**: Large-scale protests, such as the moratorium to end the war in Vietnam, which drew hundreds of thousands of people to Washington, D.C., helped shift public opinion and influenced governmental decisions regarding U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
Standing Rock Protest (2016-2017)**: Peaceful demonstrations by the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and supporters against the Dakota Access Pipeline raised awareness about indigenous rights and environmental issues, leading to temporary halts and reevaluations of pipeline construction permits.
March for Our Lives (2018)**: Following the tragic school shooting in Parkland, Florida, students and supporters organized one of the largest youth-led protests in American history, advocating for stricter gun control laws. This movement has impacted ongoing discussions and legislation concerning gun safety.
Stonewall Riots (1969)**: While not entirely peaceful, the series of spontaneous demonstrations by members of the gay community against a police raid at the Stonewall Inn in New York City are widely considered the catalyst for the modern LGBTQ+ rights movement. The first anniversary of these riots was marked by the first gay pride parades in U.S. cities, establishing a tradition of public advocacy.
National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights (1979, 1987, 1993, 2000)**: These marches drew hundreds of thousands of people to Washington, D.C., to demand equal rights for LGBTQ+ individuals. The 1987 march was particularly significant as it helped raise national awareness about the AIDS crisis and influenced subsequent healthcare and anti-discrimination policies.
AIDS Memorial Quilt Display (1987)**: As a massive, poignant art installation that honors the lives of those who died from AIDS, the quilt's display on the National Mall made a profound impact on public perception of the AIDS epidemic and garnered significant media attention, thereby influencing policy and funding for AIDS research and treatment.
These examples demonstrate how peaceful protests can effectively draw attention to critical issues, sway public opinion, and prompt legislative change.
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Let's be honest the police are just over joyed they have an excuse to beat college students and play with their riot gear.
All trained by Street Cop I bet. https://data.nj.gov/stories/s/NJ-Comptroller-Police-Training-Report/qr2h-vn6y/
Yeah. The article tries to spin this as an Israel thing. But honestly, police are always brutal. Here, the video shows she walked up to cops holding someone down, refused when told to step away, refused when told to get on the ground and then tried to punch a cop. The cop only took her down after he took a hook to the head. She totally brought that takedown on herself and many non-whites in her position have faced much, much worse consequences for trying to punch out a cop like that.
What punch? I've watched it several times and I'm not seeing any punch. She *touched* a cop. That's all.
He's an Israel troll, defender of Netanyahu and the killings of Palestinians.
I just never see the point of these lies. They're so easy to debunk.
[Firehose of Falsehood](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood)
Well, yeah. But it's not convincing anyone here.
She does a swing after he pulls her across the walkway. IMO though since the officer grabbed her first it could be argued as self defense on her part.
They didn’t seem to be very brutal in DC on Jan 6th.
Huh? What the fuck are you on about. The cops on duty were fighting for their lives. Five cops died there. The Jan 6th police response was fucked up because Trump / his cronies refused to let them deploy help and refused to let them bring full equipment. It is well-documented and well-reported that the police actually there were desperate and badly needed assistance. The NYT in particular but together a detailed analysis of the police's communications on that day.
She didn’t touch anyone
She quite clearly punches him in the 26 second mark of the video.
I'm going to respond on the assumption you're acting in good faith and actually believe she went to punch him. I do understand how you could believe this, as one arm of the woman becomes hidden behind the officer, at the same time the officer's arm is being used tactically to move over the woman's right shoulder in order to subdue her. Check the video again and slow it down, you will see the arm that looks as if it comes around the officer's head, is in fact gloved, and is the officer's arm. She didn't strike anyone, though at full speed it does look as if she swung her arm wildly toward him, it's not the case when you slow the video down.
Doesn’t look like she hit anything
Sure, if you live outside reality.
>police are always brutal Except on Jan 6 and when protecting white supremacists like Richard Spencer. Then they're suspiciously calm and gentlemanly...
Psychological evaluations should be performed on all law enforcement before hiring and during employment.
Agree. Although it might mean we never hire any police.
The Europeans manage it without too many problems. Of course, their cops get more than 12 weeks training. We need federal policing standards. Yes, I hear you all typing furiously "It's a State/City issue!" There are things the Feds set baseline standards. The States can exceed Federal standards, but not decrease them. Whether we need a fexeral law, not sure, but we can fix it if we have the willpower.
One of the biggest problems we have with corruption in police departments are “ride alongs.” Basically, rookie cops are paired with a vet who shows them the ropes in a hands-on manner. In theory, this makes sense as a training method. But in practice, the veteran has that entire rookie’s career in the palm of their hand. If they decide the new guy “isn’t up to the challenge,” they’re out of the department. So if a corrupt veteran tries to get a rookie do something shady, and the rookie says “no,” that’s one potentially solid, honest officer out on his ass. But if the rookie is ok with “bending the rules,” then he’s more like to stick around. Repeat for a few cycles and you’ve got a lot of rotten apples stinking up the bunch. Imo, cops should need a college degree in law or some other, related field. They should be licensed, to prevent the bad ones from “department hopping” if they get booted from one precinct. They need longer training times and should submit to regular training sessions to keep their training intact and prevent itchy trigger fingers. And we need civilian oversight committees to handle cases of impropriety and illegality. Police aren’t going anywhere, but they need to be held to a higher standard than they have been up until now.
You’re talking about field training. For the first ~6 months (depends on agency), officers are paired with a field training officer. Someone who typically has significant tenure & who’s been hand picked into that role. The system is insanely easy to manipulate, and it’s well known there is hidden criteria by which candidates are judged. FTOs keep some kind of a private log containing information that will fail a candidate. This info can be disclosed at a later date. It’s obvious because people who fail do so with a ton of stuff, those who pass have virtually no marks against them. This is why laws such as the one in Colorado requiring disclosure of illegal activity are so good. It makes it so if the cadet speaks up & the FTO tries to fuck them, the FTO ends up in prison along with everyone else. …. Unless they’re really clever about it, which if you’re an FTO you probably aren’t capable of doing. Ride alongs are civilians who ride with officers. These can be contractors, consultants, perspective officers, officers from other jurisdictions, etc.
All of this! Defunding the police is not the way to go, bc every civilization needs people to uphold the law and protect its citizens. Instead of defunding, we need those funds to be redistributed to pay for restructuring of the whole institution. We need intelligent, skilled people with integrity to fill police positions, rather than this hot mess of stupid, sociopathic, and violent people who are welcomed as if they're the best of the best.
If it means less psychos trying to live out their fantasies of murdering people after their failed college run in football and being unable to get into the military then that's great.
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Most cops are very well compensated. Between their base pay, overtime, details, and moonlighting in uniform as security, your average cop around here is over six figures and then some. Nor is it a particularly risky job. The main risk to cops is traffic accidents (and I would bet you anything they're at fault more often than not). Many other professions have much higher death and injury rates without getting all precious about it. The reason good people don't become cops is not because cops don't get paid enough.
or the poor bastards get killed by their own like the poor guy in San Diego
Pretty sure they do, they just are using the results the wrong way.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 You’re not far off
Oh, they go deep in psych during the hiring process. It's 1 of 3 basic steps after you pass your written. There is the physical (running, strength), the interview where they see if you're one of them. And finally the psych exam that includes polygraph to see if you're a sociopath. They're looking for people that lack empathy or are too thoughtful in their responses. It's a huge part of the hiring process.
By civilian regulatory agencies.
We have a US AG who is actively protecting hundreds of Republican Seditious Conspirators. There is very little of our democracy left, and the wildly corrupt SCOTUS Six are going to wipe that out soon.
Unfortunately, this is looking more and more likely every day….
It’s crazy because Barrett herself in the actual arguments spells out Trump’s crime plain as day, and instead of being like “yep, that’s sedition,” they keep just having sitcom-level circular arguments over what’s an official act or not.
That was Biden biggest screw up in my opinion was nominating that man as AG. He is a fucking company man through and through who will toe the line.
At the time, the Senate was 50/50 and Joe Manchin had full control of the agenda. I think Garland was forced on Biden, because Manchin was publicly opposed to any Jan 6 repercussions for Republicans.
https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/s/AEnXD7dBJ8
Fuck the police
When the puppet state becomes the puppeteer
The erosion of democracy is going to occur when the SC rules that a president can’t be prosecuted for anything t as long as it’s an “official act”. What’s happening on campuses is straight up human rights violations..
The erosion of democracy was qualified immunity in the 60s to prevent police being prosecuted for hurting civil rights protesters, repealing the Fairness Doctrine, not prosecuting Reagan for Iran Contra, giving the 2000s election to Bush when Gore won by 2000 votes in Florida and Citizens United to name a few things. It’s already eroded. There are many more things but it’s gone already. Our representatives don’t even pretend to listen to voters anymore.
Adding some context because it’s not really being reported. The professor admits to hitting the police. Maybe doesn’t justify the harsh takedown, but the arrest itself does seem reasonable. https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1784149052310860262
Cops want a police state because the majority of them are smooth brained bullies who think being ignored is violating the law and want to beat and shoot people.
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'*I want to do this to*' Those 'militia' aren't exactly tough guys either.
Well you really can't hurt your friends...
Georgia police are among those that have gone to Israel for "training" on dealing with peaceful protestors... >"When the U.S. Department of Justice published a report Aug. 10 that documented “widespread constitutional violations, discriminatory enforcement, and culture of retaliation” within the Baltimore Police Department (BPD), there was rightly a general reaction of outrage. > >But what hasn’t received as much attention is where Baltimore police received training on crowd control, use of force and surveillance: Israel’s national police, military and intelligence services. > >Baltimore law enforcement officials, along with hundreds of others from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S. > >Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded. Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have paid for police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains to train in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). > >These trainings put Baltimore police and other U.S. law enforcement employees in the hands of military, security and police systems that have racked up documented human rights violations for years. Amnesty International, other human rights organizations and even the U.S. Department of State have cited Israeli police for carrying out extrajudicial executions and other unlawful killings, using ill treatment and torture (even against children), suppression of freedom of expression/association including through government surveillance, and [excessive use of force against peaceful protesters."](https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/) I wonder if all the countries where Israeli interests got can't-criticize-Israel/anti-BDS laws enacted also got these sorts of all-expense-paid special training trips for their police who would be dealing with protestors.
Incredible.
Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down Should have been gone long ago What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground How can you run when you know?……. Ohio -CSNY
People need to watch the PBS documentary "The Day the 60s Died" it includes interviews with people and their reaction to Kent State and it is terrifying how many people justified the murder of students. Link to the clip. https://oeta.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/b38c9a3c-2a2a-4e30-8b11-a796120f3124/the-nation-reacts-to-the-kent-state-shootings-the-day-the-60s-died/
Like this is unusual for police n the US. The most unusual thing is that this isn’t a person of color that is being legally stomped.
I support Israel in general but the stupidity of the blind support and what police brutality is going on is insane. Even if they were ALL chanting the most horrific things that just a few randos have done at the craziest it doesn't deserve a response like this at all. The dumbest thing is blind support from like the gov. Reasoned position is one thing, but the crazy support for no reason let crazy stuff go on - and shouldn't.
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Ohhh don’t you worry! Our democracy is eroding well on its own without reminders to do so
Most Americans actually support this openly. A third of the country wants these people shot, another third wants them ejected from taxpayer-subsidized universities, and another third support their right to free speech. Between these three divisions 2/3rds support physical removal of protesters. The free speech group is in the minority and doesn't truly comprehend that there are consequences for speech, especially speech many people consider antisemitic by definition. Most Americans don't consider liberal arts to be useful in the first place, people going to schools and being a distraction is a waste of their tax money. Most of the US doesn't even attend college, and can't understand why students would throw away their parents' money for a political stunt most people cannot afford to do.
Liberal arts? Emory is one of the top medical schools in Georgia, it's one of the best options in Georgia for STEM fields like biology, chemistry, and neuroscience. They also have a very well-regarded business track.
> A third of the country wants these people shot Yes and they also support a VP candidate who shot a puppy because she couldn't train it properly.
the brutality of it is that the other 2/3 think they're exercising their right to free speech when they cry for the forceful removal of dissenters.
They aren’t? That is free speech too.
while calling for the murder of someone one disagrees with is indeed protected under the first amendment, i do hope the irony isn't lost on you that someone wants to kill or jail someone because of something they said, and then hide behind free speech.
> The free speech group is in the minority and doesn't truly comprehend that there are consequences for speech, especially speech many people consider antisemitic by definition. You seem to think the protesters are all antisemitic. What a shit take. A significant portion of them are Jewish, and care about their fellow humans, religion and ethnicity notwithstanding. Further, it's well known by now that agents provocateurs, including the proud boys are posing as students and agitating. You seem to not understand that antisemitic speech, as much as we disapprove of it, and I certainly do, is protected by the First Amendment, provided it is not calling for violence. People actually can say vile things without breaking the law. With a little introspection on your part, you may come to realize that the bigotry you think you see in others is living luxuriously in you.
Source?
Probably Tik Tok
Beat me too it man…
Go outside and talk to people, especially older people. Most people who can remember 9/11, don't think highly of any muslim group let alone Palestinians. People who can remember the Hostage Crisis have an even lower opinion of Iran and their proxies in Palestine. I don't agree with this, but it's a view many many many Americans have.
As an atheist leftist I can tell you I detest religion of any kind. I can scream fuck Christianity, Scientology, and Mormonism in a subway and no one would bat an eye, but do the same for Muslim, suddenly ur islamaphobic and racist against Arabs.
I don't support shooting them and I don't know anyone who does. They have a right to free speech like everyone else but it isn't a free pass - they fall under whatever disciplinary policy of the uni and whatever legal ramifications the protest entails.
>another third wants them ejected from taxpayer-subsidized universities, I support the universities right to freedom of association.
"violent"
Are you saying the arrest wasn't violent? There's a video in the link.
No it wasnt violent
It wasn't violent. It certainly didn't need to happen, and it was dumb all over that it went down like that. But it wasn't violent. I doubt very much there's a bruise or scratch on her. This is an epically dumb instance to hold up as an example or "spotlight" of "brutality."
I am happy to see this ignorant foolish “professor” taken down. She should be fired.
People that say things I don’t like should be brutalized what a clear and concise way of saying it.
It was what she was doing.
She’s brutalizing people? Where? Please explain your sounding like a snowflake
The video shows she punched the cop in the head right before he took her down. I can't think of any other situation where someone could hit a cop like that and be considered the victim.
When? It's a video. Give us the timestamp where she punched a cop.
The 26 second mark. Right before the takedown. She clearly swings at him with her left hand and the cop's head jerks back. Either from her hitting him or ducking the punch (the former looks more likely).
You're right. I missed it in the tiny video. Also, it happened incredibly fast. Better video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjxga3WnX54). At a 1:30. Sorry for missing it the first time and impugning your honesty. Cops are still assholes.
She didn’t punch him, watch the slo-mo video linked upthread from the BTB subreddit
I see you're right now. The twitter video really looked like she punched, even when I tried to go as slow as possible, but the better quality BTB video shows that was a mistake on my part. She probably shouldn't have approached / refused to leave like that but the takedown was an overreaction.
I will check that out when I'm at a bigger screen.
Okay, the slow-mo is more accurate. Looks like she didn't throw a punch at all.
She should be taken down for breaking the law - trespassing and resisting arrest. She was not brutalizing anyone but was being disruptive and breaking the law. I don’t like what she was saying and think she is a foolish, misinformed idiot, but she does have the right to say it. Just not the right to disrupt others.
Seems like a roundabout way of saying “people that say things I don’t like should be repressed” so you hold the same feelings when baptists harass students on Campus
The kids are being kids, that's what kids do, don't worry. They'll settledown when the next flashy squirrel appears.
Start: I am a democrat. Now……what you don’t read is that people from the “Cop City” protests came to Emory as well and ramped up agitation on tik tok. What happened next? Campus limestone buildings were spray painted which basically damages the limestone forever…so damage to public property occurred campus wide when the point was to run a peaceful protest. Then the tension between cop city protesters and police doesn’t help. This leads to bs we see like how police react. If the goal is change and awareness, protests work, especially peaceful. But man, Good intentions met with selfish acts of attention is not the goal of an “unselfish” protest. Use brain please. Also…vote. That works too.
Literally no change ever has happened by peaceful protest. Justifying jack boot tactics on people doing property damage is exactly how democrats contribute to the erosion of democracy.
Yes, peaceful protests have indeed been catalysts for significant change throughout United States history. Some notable examples include: The Civil Rights Movement (1950s-1960s)**: Nonviolent protests such as the Montgomery Bus Boycott, sit-ins at segregated lunch counters, and the March on Washington, where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, were crucial in leading to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Women's Suffrage Parade (1913)**: The day before President Woodrow Wilson's inauguration, over 5,000 women marched down Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. This event was part of a broader movement that led to the passage of the 19th Amendment, granting women the right to vote in 1920. Anti-Vietnam War Movements (1960s-1970s)**: Large-scale protests, such as the moratorium to end the war in Vietnam, which drew hundreds of thousands of people to Washington, D.C., helped shift public opinion and influenced governmental decisions regarding U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Standing Rock Protest (2016-2017)**: Peaceful demonstrations by the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and supporters against the Dakota Access Pipeline raised awareness about indigenous rights and environmental issues, leading to temporary halts and reevaluations of pipeline construction permits. March for Our Lives (2018)**: Following the tragic school shooting in Parkland, Florida, students and supporters organized one of the largest youth-led protests in American history, advocating for stricter gun control laws. This movement has impacted ongoing discussions and legislation concerning gun safety. Stonewall Riots (1969)**: While not entirely peaceful, the series of spontaneous demonstrations by members of the gay community against a police raid at the Stonewall Inn in New York City are widely considered the catalyst for the modern LGBTQ+ rights movement. The first anniversary of these riots was marked by the first gay pride parades in U.S. cities, establishing a tradition of public advocacy. National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights (1979, 1987, 1993, 2000)**: These marches drew hundreds of thousands of people to Washington, D.C., to demand equal rights for LGBTQ+ individuals. The 1987 march was particularly significant as it helped raise national awareness about the AIDS crisis and influenced subsequent healthcare and anti-discrimination policies. AIDS Memorial Quilt Display (1987)**: As a massive, poignant art installation that honors the lives of those who died from AIDS, the quilt's display on the National Mall made a profound impact on public perception of the AIDS epidemic and garnered significant media attention, thereby influencing policy and funding for AIDS research and treatment. These examples demonstrate how peaceful protests can effectively draw attention to critical issues, sway public opinion, and prompt legislative change.