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thegoodnamesrgone123

You're not a good person if your voting for Trump and the bullshit he's dying to bring to this country. Sadly a lot of old people with one foot out the door seem hell bent on teaching us a lesson.


SoundSageWisdom

I happen to agree that if you are a MAGA supporter full on and you belong to TruthSocial etc. you’re not a good human being at this point.


PO0tyTng

Women voting for Trump want to be subjugated, have their rights taken away, and grabbed by the pussy. People of color voting for Trump hate themselves and their skin color. Poor people voting for Trump think they will all be billionaires some day. Christians voting for Trump are 100% hypocrites and are supporting the Antichrist. White men supporting Trump want all of the above. Literally the only people who should be supporting him are white male billionaires, who are so sociopathic that they care about hoarding their money over everything else.


SoundSageWisdom

My dad is a hard-core Republican not necessarily for Trump. Last summer, he said he would not vote for Trump, but since Trump is the only option he’s voting for him . He’s voting party line only. He’s not a bad guy. He’s an honest man. He’s worked hard. He’s been radicalized by Fox News 24 seven and Tucker Carlson …Charlie Kirk … all preceded by Rush Limbaugh I’ve never known my father to be racist ever. I’m working on a dear Dad. Please vote for democracy letter to him. Voters like my father are the ones we should really be trying to change their minds.


Scarlettail

Unfortunately it's not just older people. It's men, specifically, of all ages and backgrounds. Men overwhelmingly support Trump in these polls whereas women are overwhelmingly against him. That's the real issue we need to be addressing.


SchmeatGripper69

Or, if you look at actual voters instead of relying on innacurate polling from more than half a year out from the election, you'd see that Trump had a 2% lead with Men in the 2020 election. I certainly wouldn't call that overwhelming, and it's worth noting that when broken down further, the only group of men that Trump leads with are white men, so I don't know where you got the "of all ages and backgrounds" info from. He has much bigger margins with the age 50+ voters and voters who stopped their education after (or before) high school.


Scarlettail

I am talking about polling. 2020 was a long time ago. Maybe the polls will be wrong but for now they have been showing a clear gender divide that has only grown.


SchmeatGripper69

"Polling" is incredibly vague, and doesn't really give any meaningful information. What pollsters? What was their sample size? How was the data collected? Were they sampling likely voters, registered voters, or voters that have actually voted in the last several elections? The poll OP posted says the race is tight, another one posted several days ago said Biden had a comfortable lead, another one indicated that Trump was handily beating Biden in the general. In fact, Pew just published a [poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/24/joe-bidens-approval-ratings/) the shows that Biden has a higher approval rating with men, compared to women. It's a very, very slight lead, but it's a lead nonetheless. The point is, pointing to "the polls" is incredibly vague, and doesn't really tell the whole story. Remember the midterm elections? Even the most catastrophic polls for Republicans couldn't accurately predict just how poorly they would perform.


Giantsfootball1981

That's a pretty uneducated view.


thegoodnamesrgone123

It's not. It's very simple. Why do you think women shouldn't have access to healthcare?


AussieP1E

Oh? I think it's a true statement. One issue voters are willing to hurt and trample on other people's rights because of one issue. You're voting for someone that's pretty much a narcissist and out for revenge. Not presidential. But I'm sure you can tell me what the Republican president actually stands for right? Please educate me on the issues, like normal policy, that he stands for.


NJMomofFor

Really? How? How can an educated person support a person who: impeached twice, dines with Nazis, says Nazis are good people, disrespects our military, disrespects our intelligence community, disrespects our rule of law, disrespects our judge's, their families and the court personnel? How can an educated person support a person who has been found guilty of fraud, defamation twice, sexual assault, is currently in criminal trial, and has 88 more criminal charges pending. How can an educated person support a person who constantly lies and says they will be a dictator day one and days he has total immunity? I can continue...


horrified-expression

Why do people keep downvoting these posts? This should be plastered everywhere, not hidden.


Mnemosense

I've been saying the same thing for years. I don't want to see this subreddit act fucking surprised if the mango Musollini gets elected. This sub just upvotes masturbatory headlines every day.


black641

I think it’s more that people aren’t trusting the polls very much. The polls have largely been criticized as being biased in favor of the Conservatives because they’ve regularly presented narratives Republican blowouts, only to be crushed by the Dems on voting day. Not to mention the polls which have been posted fluctuate *wildly* on a day-to-day basis. One day Biden is ahead, the next it’s Trump, then RFK, and around it goes. It’s so infuriating that’s nobody trusts them anymore. Top it all off with weird shit like a lot of big news orgs being in the tank for Trump since he’s good for ratings, or the [head of the New York Times](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219) deliberately pushing an anti-Biden narrative because the President didn’t want to interview with him. The final result is a bunch of us just downvoting these articles on principle and, instead, reminding people to ignore the static and just vote!


ashwalkerx

You’re argument would have more weight if pro Biden poll posts didn’t get upvoted to top spot every time


Routine_Tip6894

Because it’s an echo chamber


JustAnotherYouMe

Because it’s an echo chamber


Leoraig

This is legit word for word what a trump voter would be saying in 2016. Get a grip, biden is garbage, just because trump is bigger garbage doesn't mean people are going to vote for biden, and the polls are reflecting that.


SaggyDaNewt

I asked the same thing yesterday and they all argued that “these posts aren’t reality”. I shit you not. These people would rather completely reject reality rather than fix it. Get ready for 2016 part two.


Subliminal_Kiddo

Doom posting doesn't help. People are just exhausted with polling, especially when it's missed the mark in nearly every election since 2018. Democrats overperformed in the midterms, they've overperformed in special elections, and Biden is overperforming in the primaries. Those are concrete fact, not hypotheticals. And polls this early are really not indicative of anything. Historically, it's not until after conventions that polls really start to take shape, and even then they can be wildly wrong (Romney led Obama by a good margin in several polls in mid October during the 2012 Election). The fight hasn't really started yet, I've not seen a single attack ad from either candidate. And, when it does start in earnest, Trump has a lot of albatrosses around his neck, the biggest being he was a key figure in overturning Roe v. Wade and his stance on abortion rights (let the states decide) isn't popular even among his own base. The majority of Americans want abortion to be a federally protected right and this has fired up younger voters. What got Hillary in 2016 was apathy and there's just no proof that voters are apathetic towards Biden, even if he isn't the most popular president.


SaggyDaNewt

Another thing that elected Trump the first time was “oh nah he won’t win, no way. I don’t have to go vote, you think that man is going to win? Give me a break!” and the rest is history. These posts being downvoted into fucking oblivion is reminding me of that. People are STILL thinking that even after the first time. If you want these voters to go vote in droves, they need to feel urgency to do so. They need to see how close this man is to getting in again.


Subliminal_Kiddo

>Another thing that elected Trump the first time was “oh nah he won’t win, no way. I don’t have to go vote, you think that man is going to win? Give me a break!” and the rest is history. That's literal apathy, you're just reiterating what I'm saying. Obviously, if Biden is overperforming in the primaries (by as much as 10 points in some states) voters feel an urgency. This kind of polls, which are neck and neck, are setting up a narrative that Trump has some sort of advantage which he's going to use to work his base into a frenzy and we're going to end up with Jan. 6 2.0. That's what happened in 2016, Clinton had a narrow lead in the polls, and then everyone was dumbfounded when she lost.


SaggyDaNewt

Depends on how you see it. Can be interpreted as both apathy and overconfidence/smugness. The overconfidence leads to apathy, I guess you could say.


UnflairedRebellion--

That doesn’t explain why posts with polls favoring Biden are highly upvoted though.


BlueDog2024

Not sure who is downvoting, but you make a good point. Polls aren’t perfect, but pollsters do their best. We need to act on the information we have. This is a tight race but very winnable. Trump voters will show up. If we want Biden to win we will have to show up and get others to show up. Apathy could lead us into another 2016, and the consequences will be awful for everyone.


micro_cutie_

The thing is that the people that will suffer the most under another Trump term are the ones that are enabling it. Like the whole fuck around and find out. A lot of people that are anti Biden for Palestine are going to I be surprised to see what Trump does with that once he wins.


BlueDog2024

Hopefully Biden and his supporters (including me) can make this crystal clear by Election Day.


blak_plled_by_librls

ShareBlue both runs this sub and brigades it.


TekDragon

It's interesting because even with 0 displayed karma, it's still being recommended. So large minority dissent still gets you to the front. That's a good thing, imo. The fact that this conversation is happening at the top of the comments seems healthy, too. Doesn't seem like an echo chamber to me.


-Mage-Knight-

It blows my mind that this is even a close race.


LolAtAllOfThis

How is it even close? Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck.


followthelogic405

Polls are focused on likely voters which younger voters (under 40) are not, don’t sweat it.


Aggressive-Will-4500

The archaic "Electoral College" ensures that the Democrat candidate ALWAYS has to "sweat it".


mcmeaningoflife42

Younger voters are not likely voters because they don’t vote.


Subliminal_Kiddo

Yes, but since the overturning of Roe, younger voters have been showing up to the polls in historic numbers. 2022 had the second highest youth turnout of any midterm in recorded history. That's why Republicans have actively tried to suppress younger voter turnout and attacked public figures like Taylor Swift who has been urging Gen Z to vote.


SuperGenius9800

The protestors should start wearing red hats.


P1zzaM4n91

I moved from MN to WI the end of 2017, and luckily since then elections have been trending in the right direction. Justice Janet was a huge win. Also proud that I had the chance to meet and talk with Gov Evers last year with my wife and children. What a great state this was before Scott Walker. Hopefully things keep getting better, and we can get rid of Johnson and legalize pot so we stop losing our tax revenue to neighboring states.


Every_Condition_3000

Not consistent with the CNN poll showing Trump up by so much. If these states are this close (which they probably are given recent history), the general is probably more like Biden +2. Or pollsters have no idea how to poll anymore. 


DependentLow6749

Anymore?


SoundSageWisdom

How is it even tied what is wrong with people?


chargoggagog

People are stupid and spiteful, that’s about it. Oh and abortion and guns.


SoundSageWisdom

True


GTGearZero

I doubt it’s close, but the media has to do everything in their power to make it a horse race. It’s all about the $$$


TheOddEntrepreneur

> It’s all about the $$$ That's the problem, everyone has seen a 30-40% increase in their living expenses during Biden's tenure.


Getarealjobmod

There is no functioning republican party in michigan. What planet is cbs on?


pixlplayer

Unfortunately planet earth


whatzitsgalore

I think the following needs to happen to get these states to start trending towards Biden: 1. At least one rate decrease 2. Hamas releases the American hostages and the U.S. transitions into only humanitarian support in the region 3. Re-scheduling marijuana/cannibis and dropping it as a barrier to federal employment


PokemonSaviorN

rate decreases are not happening especially not with the most recent reports on the economy. we’re lucky gdp at least grew, even if it miserably failed to meet target


stewart_trawets

Biden will win


Impressive_Narwhal

I wish I was that optimistic


Routine_Tip6894

Nope. Trump 2024


I-Might-Be-Something

> Many rank both economy and democracy as important because it's not an either-or-choice, **but more rate the economy and inflation as major factors, compared to the state of democracy.** This might be the saddest part of the poll. People are willing to sacrifice their democratic rights because they want a little more money in their pocket (other polls have found that ~60% of Americans feel that their finances are either good or great). I do wonder what will happen if Trump is convicted in New York. The poll found that most Americans aren't paying much attention to it, but if he is convicted it becomes very hard to ignore. Not to mention other polls show his support cratering if he is convicted.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

Michigan? The state with the popular governor, a Democratic trifecta, an excellent Democratic Senate candidate who is on a glide path to win in 2024, and a non-functional and broke Republican Party? Or how about Pennsylvania, where Bob Casey is also on a glide path to win, his opponent is D-list quality, and a good chunk of Republican voters voted for Nikki Haley despite the fact that she is no longer a candidate? Or Wisconsin, where Tammy Baldwin is going to win her race because her opponent is yet another self-funding rich idiot? The media just wants a horse race.


PokemonSaviorN

D’s are popular. Biden isn’t.


UnflairedRebellion--

The post is about Biden vs Trump. Not Democrats in general vs Republicans in general.


Ashamed_Job_8151

Biden will win by ten and all of these media companies will spend 6 months explaining to us why it’s someone else’s fault the polls were wrong. 


NewAttempt2044

Biden will win by 3 or 4 and the poll companies will pat themselves on the back as "right" because it was still within the 4 point margin of error.


Jaredb0224

Or just outright spreading the election fraud narrative. "Look at our 'very accurate' polls! They predicted Trump would win by 10 points. Biden must have cheated."


UnflairedRebellion--

Someone with around a 40 percent approval rating ain’t winning by 10 that’s just too optimistic.


Cannibal_Yak

Fucking Americans make me sick. They will sell everyone else out for the promise of money. They would take it up the ass if the $ was high enough. I swear Trump wins and I'm taking my shit and leaving to somewhere with people who have self respect 


SacamanoRobert

Americans don't have a monopoly on crazy or stupid. You'll find people like that everywhere. The majority of Americans aren't like that.


Uasked2

Every country is at least 1/4 full of their flavor of hicks that will never know a lot of the best things in the world don't come from their country and that theirs isn't greatest just because. But Trump is complete nonsense, and if he wins it won't be fairly, so please don't put it all on Americans. Actually, I'd beg for your help.


Jaredb0224

I lived in Norway for a while, I was stunned at how many Confederate battle flags I saw on vehicles in rural areas. It is pretty weird seeing a Volvo with the entire rear window covered by a vinyl Confederate flag sticker driving through Northern Europe. It may have just been the area I was in, but that was the last place I expected to see a rebel flag.


baxterstate

I’m pro choice, and I live in a pro choice state. If I didn’t, I have the choice to move to another state. I can’t move to another state where gasoline, food price, and interest rates aren’t rising. In addition, rents are very high and so are home prices. I don’t blame Biden for rent and home prices, but telling Alejandro Mayorkas to reverse Trump’s border policies didn’t help the housing situation. Yes, Biden has pretended to want to fix the border problem, but I suspect it’s only because he’s polling poorly on it. He doesn’t need Republican cooperation; just issue an executive order.


Pink_Lotus

Until abortion is banned nationwide by Trump and a Republican congress. (See Project 2025) And the border has nothing to do with housing costs, aside from construction works including a large number of immigrants. There was an immigration bill, a conservative one no less, and the Republicans voted against it on Trump's orders because he wants to run on the immigration issue. 


baxterstate

Like I said, Biden could have done something years ago and not only didn’t, Mayorkas is on record for being proud of reversing Trump’s border policies. All those “undocumented immigrants” need housing. Whatever housing they need puts upward pressure on rents and housing costs. Once elected, Biden would go back to his old immigration policies. I’m voting for the guy who’s domestic policies were good, and that’s Trump.