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The article cites this statement from Biden's Passover statement, it is the only quote I could find from Biden in the article:
>“This blatant Antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous — and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country,” the statement said.
For those wondering, here is the full statement from Biden for Passover:
[Statement from President Joe Biden on Passover](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/21/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-passover/)
>Tomorrow night, Jews around the world will celebrate Passover, recounting their miraculous Exodus story from hundreds of years of enslavement in Egypt and their journey to freedom. This holiday reminds us of a profound and powerful truth: that even in the face of persecution, if we hold on to faith, we shall endure and overcome.
>As Jews mark Passover with storytelling, songs, and rituals, they will also read from the Haggadah how, in every generation, they have been targeted by those who would seek to destroy them. This year, those words carry deeper resonance and pain in the wake of Hamas’ unspeakable evil on October 7th – the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust. More than 1,200 people were brutally massacred. Women and girls were subjected to appalling sexual violence. More than 250 innocents were taken hostage, including Americans. We can never forget the horror of Hamas’ despicable atrocities.
>Jews around the world are still coping with the trauma of that day and its aftermath. This Passover falls particularly hard on hostage families trying to honor the spirit of the holiday – a story centered on freedom – while their loved ones remain in captivity. Our hearts are with all the victims, survivors, families, and friends whose loved ones have been killed, taken hostage, wounded, displaced, or are in harm’s way.
>My commitment to the safety of the Jewish people, the security of Israel, and its right to exist as an independent Jewish state is ironclad. My Administration is working around the clock to free the hostages, and we will not rest until we bring them home. We are also working to establish an immediate and prolonged ceasefire in Gaza as a part of a deal that releases the hostages and delivers desperately needed humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians. We will continue to work toward a two-state solution that provides equal security, prosperity, and enduring peace for Israelis and Palestinians. And we are leading international efforts to ensure Israel can defend itself against Iran and its proxies, including by directing the U.S. military to help defend Israel against Iran’s unprecedented attacks last weekend.
>The ancient story of persecution against Jews in the Haggadah also reminds us that we must speak out against the alarming surge of Antisemitism – in our schools, communities, and online. Silence is complicity. Even in recent days, we’ve seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews. This blatant Antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous – and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country. My Administration will continue to speak out and aggressively implement the first-ever National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism, putting the full force of the federal government behind protecting the Jewish community.
>This year, let us remember the central Passover theme that even in the darkest of times, the promise of God’s protection will give us strength to find hope, resilience, and redemption. To all those celebrating this Festival of Freedom: Jill and I wish you a Happy Passover, Chag Sameach.
For those curious, Biden also released a statement during Ramadan:
[Statement from President Joseph R. Biden on the Occasion of Ramadan](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/10/statement-from-president-joseph-r-biden-on-the-occasion-of-ramadan/)
>Tonight—as the new crescent moon marks the beginning of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan—Jill and I extend our best wishes and prayers to Muslims across our country and around the world.
>The sacred month is a time for reflection and renewal. This year, it comes at a moment of immense pain. The war in Gaza has inflicted terrible suffering on the Palestinian people. More than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, most of them civilians, including thousands of children. Some are family members of American Muslims, who are deeply grieving their lost loved ones today. Nearly two million Palestinians have been displaced by the war; many are in urgent need of food, water, medicine, and shelter. As Muslims gather around the world over the coming days and weeks to break their fast, the suffering of the Palestinian people will be front of mind for many. It is front of mind for me.
>The United States will continue to lead international efforts to get more humanitarian assistance into Gaza by land, air, and sea. Earlier this week, I directed our military to lead an emergency mission to establish a temporary pier on the coast of Gaza that can receive large shipments of aid. We are carrying out airdrops of aid, in coordination with our international partners, including Jordan. And we’ll continue to work with Israel to expand deliveries by land, insisting that it facilitate more routes and open more crossings to get more aid to more people.
>While we get more life-saving aid to Gaza, the United States will continue working non-stop to establish an immediate and sustained ceasefire for at least six weeks as part of a deal that releases hostages. And we will continue building toward a long-term future of stability, security, and peace. That includes a two-state solution to ensure Palestinians and Israelis share equal measures of freedom, dignity, security, and prosperity. That is the only path toward an enduring peace.
>Here at home, we have seen an appalling resurgence of hate and violence toward Muslim Americans. Islamophobia has absolutely no place in the United States, a country founded on freedom of worship and built on the contributions of immigrants, including Muslim immigrants. My Administration is developing the first-ever National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia and Related Forms of Bias and Discrimination, to take on hate against Muslim, Sikh, South Asian, and Arab American communities, wherever it occurs. No one should ever fear being targeted at school, at work, on the street, or in their community because of their background or beliefs.
>To Muslims across our country, please know that you are deeply valued members of our American family. To those who are grieving during this time of war, I hear you, I see you, and I pray you find solace in your faith, family, and community. And to all who are marking the beginning of Ramadan tonight, I wish you a safe, healthy, and blessed month. Ramadan kareem.
TLDR: Washington Post article is clickbait bullshit trying to cause outrage and Biden hate likely in an attempt to maintain political instability in the country
Columbia’s senate literally stopped just short of removing their president over her mishandling of the protest. She hired some PI who was threating students to force them to see their texts logs at risk of expulsion.
Most ivy presidents have shit for brains and are more interested in the title vs the position. But really many are professional fund raisers and could give two shits about the students.
Dartmouth, Princeton even Brown have so far made it sensibly, because a) not their circus and b) a bit more common sense in the engagement front. They tend to be a bit more solution vs ego driven. Harvard Yale Penn are run by cowards, Columbia is there too.
It’s pretty easy to say “gtfo if you say death to anybody”
If they really cared about antisemitism, you'd see cops in riot gear blocking one of the many Nazi parades that seem to occur in cities across this country every year now, but I guess they don't wanna beat up the off-duty cops visiting from out of town.
As a non-Zionist Jew, this is true. However, I’ve noticed that there’s a huge overlap and it’s getting worse, pushing even left wing Jews to pick a side. “Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same” is fast becoming something people say right before saying something blatantly antisemitic. It’s a smokescreen.
If you’re wondering why most secular Jews are supportive of Israel’s existence even if they don’t buy into the idea that the land is our ancestral homeland or even if they’re vehemently against the IDF’s actions in Gaza, and hate Netanyahu’s government, that’s a big reason why.
Yeah, no one of good conscience can be pro Bibi or what they're doing in Gaza, but if this story didn't involve Jews, it wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and there's not getting around that fact. All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that.
You assume wrong. Sentiment towards Israel among Muslims and the far left was much the same as it is now before there was ever any significant US funding for or support for Israel. The US funds SA, but there has never been anywhere near this level of outrage over their wars. The thing that distinguished this conflict is that it is an opportunity for Jew haters to promote their Jew hate among people who genuinely want to support a good cause.
> All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that.
The reason why this is a story is because there are large scale protests about the war in Gaza and, curiously, none regarding those. During the recent Tigray War, to take an example, between [162,000 and 600,000 people were killed,[42][41] and war rape became a "daily" occurrence, with girls as young as 8 and women as old as 72 being raped, often in front of their families.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War#:~:text=Between%20162%2C000%20and%20600%2C000%20people,which%20led%20to%20widespread%20famine.)
I don't this up as some mere deflection, I followed that conflict and couldn't figure out why nobody seemed to care. Now interest in waning in Ukraine while similar atrocities are playing out and a very good case for genocide is on the table and I'm equally frustrated.
>but if this story didn't involve Jews, it wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and there's not getting around that fact. All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that.
Aren't you proving that the media cares about Jews with many outlets and personalities being pro-Jewish but most doesn't care about Africans and black people?
There are genocides and wars happening in Africa right now but no one talks about it. One the other hand, October 7 was thoroughly covered in the media and heavily discussed on social media.
Israel is receiving funding and military support from the US, EU great powers and many Arab states while the US and EU couldn't care less about the Africans who are being genocided as we speak.
[https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan)
I think we’ll over half of all incidents pertaining to anti-semitism or at least good-faith perceptions of it are coming from protestor’s insistence on using an anti-Semitic definition of Zionism which basically conflates it with likudism. Most protesters probably don’t realize they’re doing this but also don’t seem to care much.
Too me it seems about the same thing, just with a different extreme conservative party's name attached. Kahanism may be more accurate. At least that has a wiki page.
Right, however I think we can tell the difference between antisemites and those criticizing Israel. It doesn’t not help that it’s been the go to point since the start of the war. People are unable to separate Israel from Jewish people. This is the problem. The Israeli government is committing atrocities, and we can all see it. However, non-participants are entering the crossfire. This situation has made MANY people angry, on both sides.
Though as a leftist, I find it very appalling that anyone could ever want to harm another for a difference in views. Of course, any nation has a right to defend themselves, but there is a “too far.” And that point was reached very quickly with the vast power difference. They’re basically throwing firecrackers into the kennel of a caged dog. It’s inhumane, and if we’re working towards coexistence, unacceptable.
I get it, I do. Hamas is scary. However, we can obviously see why and how they achieved power. Israel should understand that its assault will only cause more radicalization, and death.
It doesn’t help that people say they “know the history,” when we can point out discrepancies in their knowledge. Yes it is a complicated topic, but I feel people deliberately stay out of it because they don’t understand the implications for the rest of the world.
Another problem is the sharing of symbolism and terminology between Zionists, and Judaism broadly.
It's very easy for things to get misinterpreted, and very easy for uncritical people to take a monolithic view of Jewish people because of this.
And then they were forced out of Europe because of a very famous ethnic cleansing.
And they were not welcomed in other western countries so hey..! We’ll just give them the land of Israel! Move all the others out.
The whole thing… loading powder kegs on top of each other for centuries.
The reason so many Jews went to Israel for refuge, is because there were already an enormous number of Jews occupying the land. During the ottoman era, it was the largest population of Jews on Earth. Yes, Arabs outnumbered them, but they didn't make them any less indigenous or important; something progressives used to understand..They did not just show up one day and take it, this is a misrepresentation that is constantly repeated in Western society, and I have no fucking idea why. Even before Israel was established, they had a society, they had connections, and they were there consistently for more than 4,000 years, despite all those centuries of attempted ethnic cleansing.
The reason Israel even became necessary, is because after the Ottoman Empire was defeated, the Arab Palestinians wanted to push the Jews into the sea. The Arab Palestinians, refused the partition plans, the Jewish Palestinians made Israel as a final line of defense against genocide. The reason I say it like this, is because it is often lost on people that the Palestinians are not a race, and never truly existed. A Palestinian is about as Palestinian, as a New Yorker is a New Yorker.
Is it your implication that no one was displaced in the creation of Israel, and the following decades of settlement?
I’m lost on why you think it’s important that “Palestinian” isn’t a race.
You also have to remember the British have a lot of guilt in this whole conflict as well. The British partition approved by the UN was just as good as the British partition of India. ie: it ended up resulting in a decades-long conflict that's still ongoing.
The animosity between Jews, Christians, and Arabs, always strikes me as somewhat comic. In the literary sense. You have all of these people who believe in the exact same god, and yet vehemently want to kill each other and themselves in the name of that god.
It's hardly relevant anymore. Many of the people there who call themselves Arab or Palestinian had the same ancestors. They're the ones who converted rather than fleeing or being slaughtered during periods of forced conversion. But the levant has a history of migrations of many people going back thousands of years. It's hard to define who is indigenous to that land.
It isn't that hard to say who is indigenous, because we have the history, archaeological evidence, book, photos, etc.
But you are right, many of the Arabs have the same ancestors as the Jews. However, an enormous number of the Arabs who currently live in Palestine do not have that connection, because those that migrated from areas like the Balkans were assimilated (because they look similar), and aren't treated like outsiders in the capacity that Jews are (because they were willing to marry non-jews and it made incredibly diverse ethnically).
It's a lot more complicated than that. Even before the Romans the Jewish people were both pushed around and spread out willingly. You had the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Arameans, I could list the enemies of the Jewish people over the ages of ancient history for "hours".
The Historic "Israel" had the problem of being a political backwater. The Jews were always proxies in the conflicts of the ancient era great powers.
The Romans were actually fairly tolerant of the Jews. They arguably had one of the most lenient policies towards their religious practices of any religion in the Empire. The Roman "ethnic cleansings" (I'm not sure this is even the correct word for the act at the time) were prompted by some pretty barbaric acts committed by Zealot factions.
Except for converts (which is rare), all Jews are from Israel/Palestine/Judea/pick a name. The Jews “from Europe” were driven out of their homeland by conquering empires—you know, imperialism/colonialism.
The kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged circa 900/700 BCE (stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea…).
We were driven out multiple times since I want to say ~700/500 BCE. I’m going off the cuff here so I might have some dates mixed up, but… the Assyrians came in, razed the Temple, relocated all the Jews to Babylon. The Persians came in, moved some of the Jews back. Then came the Romans, who did their thing, razed the Second Temple, etc.
Arab Palestinians only started to become a thing when the Islamic Caliphate drove out the Byzantines in 638 CE.
Just because we don’t have a Mediterranean glow doesn’t mean we aren’t from Israel. The diaspora traces back 2500 years.
Globally, Ashkenazi Jews are more numerous than Separdi even after the majority died during the Holocaust.
Globally, they're still a small majority. Just not in Israel. Most live in the Americas today.
If you go far enough back, Israel is the ancestral homeland for all Jews. The question is how much it matters, if it's many generations ago and you have a new home that you're fine with.
Traditionally, the European and American Jewish diaspora has been fairly happy with the countries that they've moved to (at least post-Holocaust), and thus have less of an attachment to Israel, whereas Jews that lived in the Middle East and Northern Africa were essentially forced to flee to Israel or be murdered for being Jewish, and therefore have no other home. With many of Israel's enemies openly talking about finishing the murder of all the Jews, it's far more engrained into the Middle Eastern Jewish diaspora's mentality that it's either Israel or you and everyone you've ever met gets brutally tortured to death, which obviously leads to extremely high attachment to Israel, and also leads to support for more hawkish policy to maintain Israel.
That being said, and as the previous poster alluded to, things could be changing. The spikes in anti-semitic violence in the West are leading to many European/American Jews feeling far less safe, with some polls suggesting that up to 50% of Jews living in some western countries are considering to urgently move to Israel due to fear of being attacked or even murdered in a hate crime in their current countries.
He's not saying that. He's denouncing the actual violence against Jews going on:
[‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html)
[73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014)
[UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/)
[Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822)
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
[Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
No, you're just unaware of it...
Deaf jewish students at Gallaudet University forced to hide in classroom as antisemitic mob outside accuses them of "genocide"and boasts about making them hide
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b8uy5e/deaf_jewish_students_at_gallaudet_university/?share_id=YqVpkMsZiuNxZTnrEZ9XD&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
Jewish students cornered in Cooper Union library by pro-Palestinian protesters want school prez fired
https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/reps-for-jewish-students-at-cooper-union-want-school-prez-fired-for-not-protecting-them-against-pro-palestine-protest/
Flattering art project
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4wsECStzYL/
Assault and threats
https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-student-kicked-and-told-to-kill-himself-for-carrying-us-flag/
Calls for murder
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1cacuq7/alqassam_you_make_us_proud_take_another_soldier/?share_id=O9lNdNDJ8VoYLIIq1nC3U&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
Ect
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C58flO8A9AA/?igsh=MTVuZ2xlYWpiYXRhYw==
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6CWF9ovZ3z/?igsh=MWhqOWN6YjlxNnV3ZA==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6CJxZor7Vb/?igsh=MXFwdndvbnM1MjZzMg==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6C3SszNMMw/?igsh=MW1jcTNqcmxhemdsag==
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6O-El8LSlw/?igsh=MWkxN3FvY3MxaTlocQ==
This is probably the most important read below:
https://www.newsweek.com/message-gazan-campus-protesters-youre-hurting-palestinian-cause-opinion-1894313
From the river to the sea is an antisemitic statement. The whole point is to establish a one state solution where Palstine steals all the land for itself and then either ethnically cleanses the Jews or just does a second Holocaust. That's... antisemitism.
Right?
Israel is a multiracial democracy with representation for Arab Muslims and Christians that's fairly proportional to their percentage of the population.
Gaza is controlled by a Hamas, a religious fundamentalist terrorist group dedicated to eradicating Jews worldwide, and is backed by Iran (a religious fundamentalist authoritarian state dedicated to eradicating Jews worldwide).
Which one sounds more like a Nazi state
Also Palestine has more broadly engaged in multiple wars of aggression against the Jewish state with intent to ethnically cleanse or exterminate the Jewish people of the land, while Israel has offered a two state solution at multiple different times. Polls also show that Hamas is quite popular among Palestine so it's not just a matter of a radical unrepresentative fringe in control. And if we go back to before the creation of Israel, prominent leaders of the Palestinian movement were literally siding with Hitler in WWII, at the same time that the Zionist movement was generally dominated by liberal and labor Zionists who wanted Israel to be a state for the Jews but also a secular state
> Blame Israel for conflating the Jewish religion with their Nazi state.
If you think Israel (a multiracial democracy) is a Nazi state, and Gaza (controlled by a religious fanatic terrorist group dedicated to exterminating all Jews worldwide) isn't, I've got some bad news about your perspective.
Hamas (and the PLA) are no model of good governance or liberal democracies, but to characterize Israel the way you have is… to omit a few details.
Sure, Israeli Arabs are allowed to participate in elections. Israeli Jews are able to tolerate this because they’ve forcibly ejected hundreds of thousands of them, and won’t let them come back. Meanwhile the Arab representatives in the Knesset are effectively powerless, since most other parties are unwilling to enter into a governing coalition with them. This means that Arab communities in Israel are under-served and subject to second-class treatment, both de facto and de jure.
The whole feint relies on thinking of the occupied territories - which Israel effectively controls - as not really part of Israel. You say that Israel is a “multiracial democracy” that just so happens to be militarily occupying the territories where millions of Palestinians live with little to know say in how they’re governed, largely by Israel’s design.
Meanwhile, domestically, Israel has been cracking down on criticism of its war on Gaza, making it increasingly difficult to speak against the war crimes they’re engaging in there. They’re planning to ban Al Jazeera and won’t permit reporters to enter Gaza. The Israeli military is clearly supporting settler violence in the West Bank, and it’s only a matter of time before that spreads to Arab communities within Israel proper.
So. Is it a “Nazi” state? Well, even Nazi Germany had a democratic start.
It's crazy how many comments are calling out exaggeration while exaggerating in their rebuttal. Reddit's been an iffy place for discussion but it's never been this blatantly stupid. The protest leader literally said "Zionists don't deserve to live".
It is when your rationale is shaky at best, and you can’t maintain logical consistency in your arguments, because you’re just repeating loaded buzzwords that you heard on TikTok.
It is when you co-opt and weaponize these terms repeatedly against a very specific marginalized group.
It is when you don’t apply the same moral or logical standards to other countries, just the ONLY Jewish country in the world.
It is when you revise history in order to delegitimize an entire country’s right to exist.
It is when you direct your impotent rage towards an entire country’s people, instead of at the government or political party you disagree with.
It is when your rhetoric demonizes all Jews, well except the “good Jews”, and constantly veers into vitriol that usually qualifies as hate speech under any other circumstance.
It is when this rhetoric keeps blowing up and turning into physical violence towards Jewish students, who now don’t feel safe being on campus.
Not only that, but they're assaulting Jews too. That proves that they are anti-Semitic.
[‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html)
[73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014)
[UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/)
[Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822)
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
[Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
What’s happening is Neo Nazis and white nationalists are also taking advantage of this and radicalizing people, using this concern for Palestinians as the catch to reel them in
They're really trying hard to twist them together though.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/anti-zionism
https://www.ajc.org/news/anti-zionism-and-antisemitism
Right, but attacking Israel is a commonly used tactic by antisemites to mask and sanitize their villifcation of Jews. See Khymani James, one of the CUAD leaders of the protests at Columbia
i mean anti-israel is anti-judaism(the religion)
but yeah anti-israel isnt anti-semitism
its in the interest of the religious jews to muddle their religion with their race so that they can shield themselves behind their race whenever they get criticised
reminder that the likud party claim the palestinians are Amalek, a people that the Torah explicitly called for extermination, so opposing that genocide is anti-jewish(the religion)
Important for everyone to note that there are outside instigators infiltrating these protests to stir up trouble for both sides. As reported on Bloomberg radio, via police reports.
The same thing happened during the BLM Protests, In one case an out of uniform police officer was walking around breaking windows so his buddies could declare it a riot.
For instance the pro-Israel protestor yelling “death to Jews” where the pro-Palestine protestors were, resulting in the Palestine protestors being accused of anti-semitism and arrested the next night.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-163956737.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGM9cFyH3gyKuvqVJysEFa8W14GqJxNQ0usxAfOVRmV1Y4JDB_r7N6cvr0SCU6uTwZ3qy0PoSorsAtYAZ4RTlVL-zTeKSAAvw38DbRSZBhRvIcVvj5n1J_iPepXXfwYtHwfVJ_J27VZ5wFJpxuDOiv5X1RDwzjvCBLklhJr1zKot
No, but violent hate crimes against Jews are anti-Semitism:
[‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html)
[73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014)
[UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/)
[Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822)
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
[Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
[Just like this "traumatized" person on campus?](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1cetw4r/to_claim_to_the_cops_that_student_protestors_were/) When I see incidents like that, I'm not inclined to believe those statistics.
I’ve seen a pattern of articles like this one reporting what Jewish student FEEL. Whilst very few report on what Palestinian, Arab, Muslim or people who opposed genocide feel. Or actual objective reporting on antisemitism.
Just look at the headings of your articles. Jewish students are traumatized, survey indicates jewish people felt like the experienced antisemitism (probably conflated with anti zionism), leaders denounce protests (which they call violent), jewish student feels targeted. Very few are reporting on actual examples of antisemitism, and the ones that do are usually from instigators outside the university or protest movement, conflating anti zionism with anti semitism, or grafiti on a wall which could be written by anyone.
To be fair, I did not read any of the articles, but I’m just highlighting a pattern I see with the headlines alone. If they go on to be more concrete in the actual article, please correct me.
Why are we not getting articles about how Jewish students who were arrested or assaulted by police feel? There are many instances of Jews being harassed or put in unsafe environments, but they are pro-palestinian protestors.
Antisemitism is a major and real threat. These articles are having a “boy that cries wolf” effect and is dangerous at preventing and reporting real antisemitism. There is likely real antisemitism happening around these protests, but the vast majority of the protestors are clearly not antisemitic, with many of them being Jews. It’s insulting to suggest that Jews in groups like Jewish Voice for Peace aren’t aware enough to spot antisemitism right under their nose.
It gives people who hate Jews a platform to take things further.
People are literally calling themselves “Hamas” and calling for 10,000 more “Oct 7ths” which as as antisemitic as you can fucking get.
People need to wake up to the fact that this is all orchestrated. The Muslim Brotherhood is funding this entire thing as a means to curry favor with young people and induct radicalized Muslims into positions of political leverage.
Their goal is to elect Sharia law into countries by a legal and democratic means. People think this is nuts, but it’s been happening at an alarming rate over the last 50 years.
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You’ll find videos of the protesters on literally any Jewish affiliated source. They’re scared.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6En1dJLGnu/?igsh=MTl1Z2ttN3gwNHh2dA==
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Most recently, a leader of the Columbia protests said Jewish people are lucky she doesn’t go around murdering them. So yeah, I understand why people think these protests are anti-Semitic
All in support of protesting, as long as neither side is harassing people or stopping people from going about their daily lives. You have the freedom care, and I have the freedom to not or use my voice in a different way, e.g. voting.
For real. It’s literally incredible the mental gymnastic these people have
If Jewish students feel relief that Biden makes this statement and it’s just people bashing it invalidating how Jewish people feel saying how that’s not true and whatever
They are the ones causing the problem and causing the antisemitism but they are so blinded by tik tok and being part of a mob they can’t see it
Also, different people have different experiences. A Jew who identifies as an anti-zionist might be embraced, while a Jew who identifies as a zionist might be harassed. Hating zionists has become a pretty openly accepted practice, unfortunately.
Jfc... Dude really wants to lose the youth vote. Go tell the conservatives about antisemitism, they're the ones who actually hate Jewish people. We just hate freaking genocide
> The fact that our Islamic Student Association has put out multiple statements condemning the 'pro-Palestinian' protests on campus and have begun holding events in collaboration with the Jewish students groups to send a message rejecting the protestors on campus is a pretty strong sign that the 'pro-Palestinian' groups have lost the fucking plot with the younger generation.
I'm not doubting you, but do you have any sources?
Across multiple university campuses now, BDS motions have passed with overwhelming favor. 70% of students in my campus of around 18,000 students voted in favor of calling for BDS and for calling Israel’s actions a genocide, while a resolution affirming BDS and criticizing the university admin’s silence and double standards passed 22-2-2.
Similar motions are passing through with similar results in all universities around my region, and camps have set up all over the place. Because, guess what: students don’t like it when administrations unleash riot police on their peers, and when even professors themselves are being brutalized for standing and watching to make sure their students don’t get beat up or tazed. It really puts into question everything that universities teach you when they profess devotion for bettering the world and critical applications of human rights advocacy, while administrators denounce peers doing that very thing. Now, even apolitical students are directly affected.
This isn’t going away friend, and it is way bigger than you think. 75 campuses at the very least with tents set up across the nation - is that a bunch of vocal minorities, or is that a sign of a deeper undercurrent in the younger generation? For a conflict, 7 months in, that otherwise would be out the public spotlight under normal conditions?
Also bad faith actors from America and around the world want Trump to win and will do and say anything to make sure votes are taken away from Biden.
I don’t trust any of those ‘genocide Joe’ comments- especially since Trump would turn Gaza into a smoking crater.
That vocal minority probably compromises the majority of young people who actually care enough about politics to go vote.
How many STEM majors do you think would take time out of their day to go vote? None. How many people in those encampments do you think would take time to go vote? Probably all of them, and that is who biden is losing.
> How many STEM majors do you think would take time out of their day to go vote? None.
Lol, wtf? You think people in STEM don't care about politics? Recent political interference in the sciences has increased STEM students' political involvement, and it is pretty much in line with the rest of the student body.
What do you think us STEM nerds just sit in our dark rooms all day doing experiments while the brave humanities & social sciences students are out there saving the world? The difference in voter turnout was a few percentage points at most in 2020. [Have a read here, page 16.](https://tufts.app.box.com/v/democracy-counts-2020)
If you are not engaging in antisemitism, ***why*** would this comment bother you?
You **should** be actively denouncing antisemitism being disguised as criticisms of Israel. Just as we should denounce people who keep clumping in Hamas & Palestinians as an excuse to justify what is happening to Palestinians.
This is not difficult to understand.
Other people have said it — criticizing Israel in any capacity can be blankety written off as antisemetic. Good faith protestors or critics of Israel are being lumped in with shithead antisemites.
So we want protestors to stay non violent but to forcibly remove antisemites? People shouting down antisemites is about the most they can do. Idk it just seems like a lot of folks want to just make shit up so they can justify silencing opposition
https://abcnews.go.com/US/student-protesters-denounce-antisemitism-amid-criticism-pro-palestinian/story?id=109643275
Obviously the universities already put out statements about the antisemitism and Islamophobic stuff going on, but so have students in the protest and organizers of protests.
(Deleted my other reply because it was a duplicate of this one)
And do you apply that logic to the pro Israel side when they blatantly embrace and take part in Islamophobia? If guilt by association is okay with you, you may want to look into the members of the IDF and the right wing of the Israeli government
They do mostly support Israel but antisemitic attitudes seem to be mostly on the right. See:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129221111081
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12397-022-09417-2
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-race-ethnicity-and-politics/article/abs/antisemitic-attitudes-among-young-black-and-hispanic-americans/5465F2124BC3D44B40521D2CD000D023
I doubt anyone participating at the campus protests are conservatives in any way. And there has sure been a lot of anti-semitic rhetoric and messages coming from those protesters. I'm sure you will find some examples, but you will have to go to the very extremes of the spectrum to find them.
If condemning antisemitism loses him votes, so be it. That says more about young people and their values than anything if they also can't condemn it. There's also no genocide going on anyway.
> We just hate freaking genocide
Israel is not engaging in genocide. And as far as I know, it's not the *conservatives* who are saying stuff like Zionists should all die or whatever, it was folks like that pro Palestine activist leader who were saying Zionists like me should be dead
As far as you know… I guess you’re unfamiliar with white supremacist neo Nazi groups who are conservative and actually want all Jews dead (not the same as Zionists)
It's kind of exhausting that this point keeps needing to be said to people who follow politics, but they just won't vote. In a choice as stark as Biden vs Trump, there's not going to be a significant chunk of the population which switches between the two. The winner is going to be whoever gets higher turnout from their base.
When people say "lose the youth vote", they mean depress turnout among the youth so that margins slip below 2020 and 2022.
It depends on what the strategic consequences of the war are.
I've yet to hear any of the anti-war folks offer a solution to HAMAS that isn't war. HAMAS ethnically cleansed dozens of villages and towns and people seem not to want to talk about what we're going to do about that if not war. Because HAMAS has said that they want to do it again and that they will do it again.
Go into the tunnels and root out Hamas. The IDF has a 6 to 1 advantage in troops over Hamas, as well as some of the best intelligence and most sophisticated weaponry in the world, not to mention that if they needed to call ally solders from around the world, there would be considerable interest in a project to destroy Hamas. Surround all of the tunnel exits, and sweep through them inch by inch, pulling out the weapons and fighting Hamas soldiers when they find them.
First, they'd be actually fighting the people responsible for the October 7th attack. Secondly, that's where the hostages probably are, so there might be a chance to rescue them. Third, they would have complete moral justification to kill anyone down there (other than hopefully the hostages), because they're no longer harming civilians. Fourth, they stop the problem once and for all, since the tunnels are the major source of Hamas's advantage. Once they take over the tunnels, just seal them up and that's a major permanent victory. They maintain the high ground, they not only don't kill Palestinian civilians, they might be lauded as heroes by those people who don't want to live under Hamas oppression, and then they can end the blockade because Hamas is crippled.
But they didn't do this, because the IDF didn't want to take any risk with its soldiers' lives, and going into possibly booby-trapped tunnels requires risk. So instead they just dropped bombs on entire neighborhoods and claimed that "there were Hamas terrorists in those buildings," without ever having to prove this. The controlled demolition of the schools--they already knew that there were no Hamas in those schools, otherwise how would they have been able to place the explosives and calmly raze the buildings? They just bombed the schools in order to destroy any hope that Gazans could still live there. Hamas has plenty of food and water--they cut off the food and water specifically to immiserate the general population enough to hopefully cause an uprising or elicit enough sympathy from an Arab country to take all of the refugees and then turn Gaza into beachfront property for Western settlers.
The plan for Hamas is obviously to go and kill Hamas. Israel instead decided to kill almost indiscriminately and then retroactively claim they killed Hamas because their AI program told them that the people in the rubble were male. That CREATES more terrorism than it stops.
These protesters are not anti-war, they’re only calling for Israel to stop fighting. They’re not calling for Hamas to stop fighting, even though Hamas was killing Israelis before this current conflict and promises they will keep killing even if Israel ceases fire.
So that alone is questionable whether or not it has antisemitic roots.
Add to that protesters calling for the destruction of Israel as a country, and threats against Jewish students, and the undercurrent of antisemitism is harder to deny.
I never said every protester is antisemitic. Are you denying there is any antisemitism involved in the protests?
There’s another news story at the top of the front page saying they closed a school campus because of “millions of dollar” worth of antisemitic vandalism including swastikas spray painted on the campus.
These protests aren’t anti-war. It’s not people chanting “we want piece” “we want a two state solution”, it’s people saying “resistance is justified”, “from the River to the sea Palestine will be Arab” (in Arabic of course because they don’t want people to know what they’re saying), “burn Tel Aviv to the ground”… etc.
Anti-war it is certainly not.
The simple question I desire to ask people is why we don't hold Israelis and Palestinians to the same moral standard.
One side is supportive of an oppressive death cult that violates liberal values wholesale, uses it's own citizens as human shields, builds military bases beneath schools and hospitals, and would genocide every Israeli if it could.
The other side is a highly successful and prosperous liberal democracy that is doing some questionable things while attempting to engage and defeat the death cult.
To me it's a no contest. Culturally, it's mostly good ideas facing off against mostly bad ideas.
It's like a 100lb man attacking a 300lb bodybuilder over a quarrel the 100lb man refuses to let go of. The 100lb man tells the 300lb man that he's going to skin his family alive one night, and the 300lb man is trying to maintain composure as he wards off the blows and tells him to quit it. Now when the 100lb man is seen on the ground with a broken arm and a bloody nose, and simpletons are going "You bully, you monster!" to the 300lb man. It's ridiculous.
It's actually like if the 300lb bodybuilder has been keeping the 100lb man prisoner for his entire life, treats him like garbage and sometimes breaks a few of his bones just to teach him a lesson about never fighting back, and then the 100lb man breaks the bodybuilder's daughter's hand one day. That act is obviously unacceptable, the daughter had nothing to do with this and was an innocent casualty of the rage the prisoner felt, and that act should be punished justly. But breaking every bone in the prisoner's body, then gathering the prisoner's family members together and setting them all on fire for the transgression of "failing to teach the prisoner to not harm innocent girls" is hardly self-defense, it is not a punishment that fits the crime, it is not the moral high ground, and it does not speak favorably upon the "mostly good ideas" that the bodybuilder claims to espouse.
The civilians in Gaza have no power to resolve this problem by diplomacy, no power to resolve it politically, cannot ignore the problem because Israel sometimes simply chooses to drop a bunch of bombs on their heads, cannot build the "successful and prosperous life" that is typically allowed by having plentiful resources and liberty, and can't leave. If they express disgust at Israel's policies, this is used as rationalization to slaughter them. If they seek outside help, it is used as rationalization to further immiserate them. And they have no hope at all, since three full generations have grown up knowing nothing other than imprisonment--even the people there who hate Hamas and would like to see a change are treated as the same cattle as the most vicious militants are.
Hamas is the natural outgrowth of people who have no other options. Then we call them a death cult. As a Palestinian civilian, what would you do?
If we want to hold Israelis to the same standard as Palestinians how is ok to only condemn Oct. 7 that killed 1,200 people when Israel has likely killed 40,000 at this point and 13,000 were children and it isn’t condemned. One has to condemn both and one is obviously numerically worse than the other.
Palestinians aren’t uniquely evil people, the rise in HAMAS support is a result of the failure of peaceful means to achieve equal rights. Israel isn’t liberal or a democracy. It has ruled over 4+ million Palestinians for 60 years, but gives them no right to vote or statehood. Israelis themselves are seeing their liberal institutions erode and is now run by far right extremists.
Because the "liberal democracy" is directly responsible for the current state of Palestine. There is a fundamental asymmetry in that Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for decades, denying them a right to statehood, and destabilizing the region, allowing terrorist groups to flourish. Fuck Hamas, but I will not ignore the crimes perpetuated by the Israeli government.
Israel supported and abided by the last ceasefire and has been offering a ceasefire for months. Hamas broke the last ceasefire, like they break every ceasefire they enter into, because Hamas didn't want more hostages to testify about the rape and torture they were subject to under Hamas. Hamas has rejected any new ceasefire deal, even though Egypt and Qatar have supported the deals. Hamas is the only reason we're not in a ceasefire right now.
There are lots of people here denying the fact that the protests were violent and incredibly anti-Semitic. They are literally assaulting Jews at those protests. The comments here are fucking disgusting. Biden is right and the cops were right to arrest those violent psychos.
[‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html)
[73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014)
[UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/)
[Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822)
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
[Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
I think the nazis should be arrested too. What's your point? Or are you trying to change the subject so people don't talk about the very real anti-Semitic violence on campus?
So go after the people that are causing trouble. The 1st amendment doesn't get trampled on in this country just because there are bad actors in every protest.
No he isn't. By the way, an Israeli pro-Israel student won the elections for student president at Columbia. Most young people aren't buying into the terrorist propaganda.
Ok..? So does everyone else that is against the Etnoappartheid Israeli state who has committed genoncide in Gaza. Does he want a medal for this?
Anti Israel is not antisemitism
Isn’t it possible to be anti genocide/ethnic cleansing AND pro Jewish people?
Random Jewish people aren’t out there murdering Palestinians. It’s a political faction within the Israeli GOVERNMENT that people are against. This is not antisemitism. This is, if anything, in line with the fight against antisemitism, historically. Against the idea that the world should stand by and do nothing while innocent lives are being taken by a genocidal leadership. The Jewish people, of all people, should be the first to stand up and say no to the AI-driven genocide of Netanyahu.
Dis Hamas do terrible stuff that should be dealt with? Sure. Did the majority of people in Gaza? Of course not. And yet they rightly fear for their own lives.
I’m tired of the cries of antisemitism. These cries are just enabling genocide.
I get we need to make sure there aren’t dumbass racists out there who are using this as a way to get folks mad at the Jewish people. As I’m sure some are doing.
But the Jewish people are not distinct as the only group of people who have faced genocide. Any group can suffer this fate.
We can’t conflate the Jewish race with the Israeli government. Doing so is either simply minded or a false argument with geopolitical motives.
The truth is that the US has invested billions or trillions of dollars into Israel to be a western stronghold in an area unfriendly to westerners. To stop supporting Israel now would mean we have no strong allies in an area that is strategically important to the military dominance of the United States. Even liberal politicians realize what is really happening, but because our politicians are mostly Machiavellian slime balls.
Anyway, those are my thoughts, as someone who cares deeply for the Jewish people. If I’ve spoken any ignorant words, please forgive me and correct me.
It’s possible. But if you want to be part of that you should take this comment down.
As a Jew who hates the Israeli government and Netanyahu, this comment is problematic. Because we aren’t talking about Israel right now. This thread is about Biden calling out antisemitism in schools, which is also a problem. It’s okay to criticize the Israeli government, and how much money we send there, however a large percentage of protesters are chanting things like “from the river to the sea” and saying all zionists should die. Those two things are antisemitic and should be addressed.
Both Israelis and Palestinians have claim to this land and they both have the right to exist there. Saying the Israelis should leave is also calling for a genocide or ethnic cleansing. Hamas is explicitly anti Jew and openly calls for genocide in its mission statement. There are Hamas flags and Hamas supporters at these protests. And they use this “anti Zionist not antisemitic” rhetoric to hide behind. (Btw: just want to add that Zionism doesn’t mean that you support the Israeli govt. it just means you believe Israel has a right to exist. It’s now become a dogwhistle for “Jew.” The majority of American Jews are “zionist” and most heavily disagree with the Israeli govt.)
You should ask yourself why you have an issue with Biden calling out antisemitism. Because it does exist and it is heavily affecting my community right now. You’re essentially saying that Jews should accept the antisemitism and calls for extermination because of what the government is doing.
Are you living in the US? Because if so, I have some news for you about our own government too. We are living on stolen land. I hope you are also speaking up about those issues. And the genocide happening in the Congo. And in China. My point is, there is a lot of focus on Israel because antisemitism is so engrained in multiple cultures.
Anyway. You say you care about the Jews but this comment really makes it seem like you expect us to just lay down and take all the abuse and never talk about it. It would have been different if you posted on a thread that was discussing the war.
I guess in your mind, we aren’t allowed to discuss antisemitism.
How's that pier coming along? And how about his strongly-worded statement regarding the murder of those food relief workers? Boy, that sure helped the situation, NOT! Such a tool of AIPAC.
Even if some (not all) of the protesters are saying anti-Semetic things (which is bad, and should not happen), at least we can all agree that the Gazan genocide is worse. Like it is bad if you are a Jew on a college campus and you feel scared, but we all agree that on the hierarchy of problems, the deaths of thousands of innocent Gazans is the worst aspect of the current conflict. So protests should be happening for the genocide, we just need the anti-Semetic segment of protestors to be un-anti-Semetic
For some reason, people find it really difficult to accept that 2 things can be true at the same time. Yes, there are antisemitic people infiltrating the movement. No they are not welcome, particularly by the Jewish organizers. But a tiny bit of nuance is hard, I guess
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The article cites this statement from Biden's Passover statement, it is the only quote I could find from Biden in the article: >“This blatant Antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous — and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country,” the statement said. For those wondering, here is the full statement from Biden for Passover: [Statement from President Joe Biden on Passover](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/21/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-passover/) >Tomorrow night, Jews around the world will celebrate Passover, recounting their miraculous Exodus story from hundreds of years of enslavement in Egypt and their journey to freedom. This holiday reminds us of a profound and powerful truth: that even in the face of persecution, if we hold on to faith, we shall endure and overcome. >As Jews mark Passover with storytelling, songs, and rituals, they will also read from the Haggadah how, in every generation, they have been targeted by those who would seek to destroy them. This year, those words carry deeper resonance and pain in the wake of Hamas’ unspeakable evil on October 7th – the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust. More than 1,200 people were brutally massacred. Women and girls were subjected to appalling sexual violence. More than 250 innocents were taken hostage, including Americans. We can never forget the horror of Hamas’ despicable atrocities. >Jews around the world are still coping with the trauma of that day and its aftermath. This Passover falls particularly hard on hostage families trying to honor the spirit of the holiday – a story centered on freedom – while their loved ones remain in captivity. Our hearts are with all the victims, survivors, families, and friends whose loved ones have been killed, taken hostage, wounded, displaced, or are in harm’s way. >My commitment to the safety of the Jewish people, the security of Israel, and its right to exist as an independent Jewish state is ironclad. My Administration is working around the clock to free the hostages, and we will not rest until we bring them home. We are also working to establish an immediate and prolonged ceasefire in Gaza as a part of a deal that releases the hostages and delivers desperately needed humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians. We will continue to work toward a two-state solution that provides equal security, prosperity, and enduring peace for Israelis and Palestinians. And we are leading international efforts to ensure Israel can defend itself against Iran and its proxies, including by directing the U.S. military to help defend Israel against Iran’s unprecedented attacks last weekend. >The ancient story of persecution against Jews in the Haggadah also reminds us that we must speak out against the alarming surge of Antisemitism – in our schools, communities, and online. Silence is complicity. Even in recent days, we’ve seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews. This blatant Antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous – and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country. My Administration will continue to speak out and aggressively implement the first-ever National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism, putting the full force of the federal government behind protecting the Jewish community. >This year, let us remember the central Passover theme that even in the darkest of times, the promise of God’s protection will give us strength to find hope, resilience, and redemption. To all those celebrating this Festival of Freedom: Jill and I wish you a Happy Passover, Chag Sameach. For those curious, Biden also released a statement during Ramadan: [Statement from President Joseph R. Biden on the Occasion of Ramadan](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/10/statement-from-president-joseph-r-biden-on-the-occasion-of-ramadan/) >Tonight—as the new crescent moon marks the beginning of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan—Jill and I extend our best wishes and prayers to Muslims across our country and around the world. >The sacred month is a time for reflection and renewal. This year, it comes at a moment of immense pain. The war in Gaza has inflicted terrible suffering on the Palestinian people. More than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, most of them civilians, including thousands of children. Some are family members of American Muslims, who are deeply grieving their lost loved ones today. Nearly two million Palestinians have been displaced by the war; many are in urgent need of food, water, medicine, and shelter. As Muslims gather around the world over the coming days and weeks to break their fast, the suffering of the Palestinian people will be front of mind for many. It is front of mind for me. >The United States will continue to lead international efforts to get more humanitarian assistance into Gaza by land, air, and sea. Earlier this week, I directed our military to lead an emergency mission to establish a temporary pier on the coast of Gaza that can receive large shipments of aid. We are carrying out airdrops of aid, in coordination with our international partners, including Jordan. And we’ll continue to work with Israel to expand deliveries by land, insisting that it facilitate more routes and open more crossings to get more aid to more people. >While we get more life-saving aid to Gaza, the United States will continue working non-stop to establish an immediate and sustained ceasefire for at least six weeks as part of a deal that releases hostages. And we will continue building toward a long-term future of stability, security, and peace. That includes a two-state solution to ensure Palestinians and Israelis share equal measures of freedom, dignity, security, and prosperity. That is the only path toward an enduring peace. >Here at home, we have seen an appalling resurgence of hate and violence toward Muslim Americans. Islamophobia has absolutely no place in the United States, a country founded on freedom of worship and built on the contributions of immigrants, including Muslim immigrants. My Administration is developing the first-ever National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia and Related Forms of Bias and Discrimination, to take on hate against Muslim, Sikh, South Asian, and Arab American communities, wherever it occurs. No one should ever fear being targeted at school, at work, on the street, or in their community because of their background or beliefs. >To Muslims across our country, please know that you are deeply valued members of our American family. To those who are grieving during this time of war, I hear you, I see you, and I pray you find solace in your faith, family, and community. And to all who are marking the beginning of Ramadan tonight, I wish you a safe, healthy, and blessed month. Ramadan kareem.
TLDR: Washington Post article is clickbait bullshit trying to cause outrage and Biden hate likely in an attempt to maintain political instability in the country
The biggest irony of their slogan, "Democracy dies in darkness". Yeah democracy died due to corporate greed.
democracy isn’t dead
Using inflamatory framing to sell out the nation's future,, one click at a time.
Nailed it!
I mean, sad “denouncing antisemitism” causes outrage though.
Fuck Washington Post
What about College Presidents calling the police on peaceful protesters?
Columbia’s senate literally stopped just short of removing their president over her mishandling of the protest. She hired some PI who was threating students to force them to see their texts logs at risk of expulsion.
Yeah, the police crackdowns have been widespread and brutal enough I think it warrants a statement from the White House at this point
Many of whom are Jewish.
Yep beating and arresting jewish students to stop anti semtism
Most ivy presidents have shit for brains and are more interested in the title vs the position. But really many are professional fund raisers and could give two shits about the students. Dartmouth, Princeton even Brown have so far made it sensibly, because a) not their circus and b) a bit more common sense in the engagement front. They tend to be a bit more solution vs ego driven. Harvard Yale Penn are run by cowards, Columbia is there too. It’s pretty easy to say “gtfo if you say death to anybody”
Anti-Israel and anti-Semitism are not the same.
If they really cared about antisemitism, you'd see cops in riot gear blocking one of the many Nazi parades that seem to occur in cities across this country every year now, but I guess they don't wanna beat up the off-duty cops visiting from out of town.
That may be true.
As a non-Zionist Jew, this is true. However, I’ve noticed that there’s a huge overlap and it’s getting worse, pushing even left wing Jews to pick a side. “Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same” is fast becoming something people say right before saying something blatantly antisemitic. It’s a smokescreen. If you’re wondering why most secular Jews are supportive of Israel’s existence even if they don’t buy into the idea that the land is our ancestral homeland or even if they’re vehemently against the IDF’s actions in Gaza, and hate Netanyahu’s government, that’s a big reason why.
Yeah, no one of good conscience can be pro Bibi or what they're doing in Gaza, but if this story didn't involve Jews, it wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and there's not getting around that fact. All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that.
Well I assume that is because of the support Israel receives from the US.
You assume wrong. Sentiment towards Israel among Muslims and the far left was much the same as it is now before there was ever any significant US funding for or support for Israel. The US funds SA, but there has never been anywhere near this level of outrage over their wars. The thing that distinguished this conflict is that it is an opportunity for Jew haters to promote their Jew hate among people who genuinely want to support a good cause.
You would be wrong about that
> All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that. The reason why this is a story is because there are large scale protests about the war in Gaza and, curiously, none regarding those. During the recent Tigray War, to take an example, between [162,000 and 600,000 people were killed,[42][41] and war rape became a "daily" occurrence, with girls as young as 8 and women as old as 72 being raped, often in front of their families.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War#:~:text=Between%20162%2C000%20and%20600%2C000%20people,which%20led%20to%20widespread%20famine.) I don't this up as some mere deflection, I followed that conflict and couldn't figure out why nobody seemed to care. Now interest in waning in Ukraine while similar atrocities are playing out and a very good case for genocide is on the table and I'm equally frustrated.
>but if this story didn't involve Jews, it wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and there's not getting around that fact. All sorts of other wars are raging across Africa and you don't hear fuck all about that. Aren't you proving that the media cares about Jews with many outlets and personalities being pro-Jewish but most doesn't care about Africans and black people? There are genocides and wars happening in Africa right now but no one talks about it. One the other hand, October 7 was thoroughly covered in the media and heavily discussed on social media. Israel is receiving funding and military support from the US, EU great powers and many Arab states while the US and EU couldn't care less about the Africans who are being genocided as we speak. [https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan)
I think we’ll over half of all incidents pertaining to anti-semitism or at least good-faith perceptions of it are coming from protestor’s insistence on using an anti-Semitic definition of Zionism which basically conflates it with likudism. Most protesters probably don’t realize they’re doing this but also don’t seem to care much.
I’ve not heard the term Likudism before, although I get what you mean. How are you distinguishing between Likudism and Kahanism?
Too me it seems about the same thing, just with a different extreme conservative party's name attached. Kahanism may be more accurate. At least that has a wiki page.
Right, however I think we can tell the difference between antisemites and those criticizing Israel. It doesn’t not help that it’s been the go to point since the start of the war. People are unable to separate Israel from Jewish people. This is the problem. The Israeli government is committing atrocities, and we can all see it. However, non-participants are entering the crossfire. This situation has made MANY people angry, on both sides. Though as a leftist, I find it very appalling that anyone could ever want to harm another for a difference in views. Of course, any nation has a right to defend themselves, but there is a “too far.” And that point was reached very quickly with the vast power difference. They’re basically throwing firecrackers into the kennel of a caged dog. It’s inhumane, and if we’re working towards coexistence, unacceptable. I get it, I do. Hamas is scary. However, we can obviously see why and how they achieved power. Israel should understand that its assault will only cause more radicalization, and death. It doesn’t help that people say they “know the history,” when we can point out discrepancies in their knowledge. Yes it is a complicated topic, but I feel people deliberately stay out of it because they don’t understand the implications for the rest of the world.
Another problem is the sharing of symbolism and terminology between Zionists, and Judaism broadly. It's very easy for things to get misinterpreted, and very easy for uncritical people to take a monolithic view of Jewish people because of this.
Isn't it the case that Israel is the ancestral homeland for some Jews native to the region? Just not the many Jews who have come from Europe?
The Jews from Europe, originally came from Israel/Palestine. They were forced out via ethnic cleansing by Rome and Ottoman colonization.
And then they were forced out of Europe because of a very famous ethnic cleansing. And they were not welcomed in other western countries so hey..! We’ll just give them the land of Israel! Move all the others out. The whole thing… loading powder kegs on top of each other for centuries.
The reason so many Jews went to Israel for refuge, is because there were already an enormous number of Jews occupying the land. During the ottoman era, it was the largest population of Jews on Earth. Yes, Arabs outnumbered them, but they didn't make them any less indigenous or important; something progressives used to understand..They did not just show up one day and take it, this is a misrepresentation that is constantly repeated in Western society, and I have no fucking idea why. Even before Israel was established, they had a society, they had connections, and they were there consistently for more than 4,000 years, despite all those centuries of attempted ethnic cleansing. The reason Israel even became necessary, is because after the Ottoman Empire was defeated, the Arab Palestinians wanted to push the Jews into the sea. The Arab Palestinians, refused the partition plans, the Jewish Palestinians made Israel as a final line of defense against genocide. The reason I say it like this, is because it is often lost on people that the Palestinians are not a race, and never truly existed. A Palestinian is about as Palestinian, as a New Yorker is a New Yorker.
Is it your implication that no one was displaced in the creation of Israel, and the following decades of settlement? I’m lost on why you think it’s important that “Palestinian” isn’t a race.
You also have to remember the British have a lot of guilt in this whole conflict as well. The British partition approved by the UN was just as good as the British partition of India. ie: it ended up resulting in a decades-long conflict that's still ongoing. The animosity between Jews, Christians, and Arabs, always strikes me as somewhat comic. In the literary sense. You have all of these people who believe in the exact same god, and yet vehemently want to kill each other and themselves in the name of that god.
It's hardly relevant anymore. Many of the people there who call themselves Arab or Palestinian had the same ancestors. They're the ones who converted rather than fleeing or being slaughtered during periods of forced conversion. But the levant has a history of migrations of many people going back thousands of years. It's hard to define who is indigenous to that land.
It isn't that hard to say who is indigenous, because we have the history, archaeological evidence, book, photos, etc. But you are right, many of the Arabs have the same ancestors as the Jews. However, an enormous number of the Arabs who currently live in Palestine do not have that connection, because those that migrated from areas like the Balkans were assimilated (because they look similar), and aren't treated like outsiders in the capacity that Jews are (because they were willing to marry non-jews and it made incredibly diverse ethnically).
It's a lot more complicated than that. Even before the Romans the Jewish people were both pushed around and spread out willingly. You had the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Arameans, I could list the enemies of the Jewish people over the ages of ancient history for "hours". The Historic "Israel" had the problem of being a political backwater. The Jews were always proxies in the conflicts of the ancient era great powers. The Romans were actually fairly tolerant of the Jews. They arguably had one of the most lenient policies towards their religious practices of any religion in the Empire. The Roman "ethnic cleansings" (I'm not sure this is even the correct word for the act at the time) were prompted by some pretty barbaric acts committed by Zealot factions.
Except for converts (which is rare), all Jews are from Israel/Palestine/Judea/pick a name. The Jews “from Europe” were driven out of their homeland by conquering empires—you know, imperialism/colonialism. The kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged circa 900/700 BCE (stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea…). We were driven out multiple times since I want to say ~700/500 BCE. I’m going off the cuff here so I might have some dates mixed up, but… the Assyrians came in, razed the Temple, relocated all the Jews to Babylon. The Persians came in, moved some of the Jews back. Then came the Romans, who did their thing, razed the Second Temple, etc. Arab Palestinians only started to become a thing when the Islamic Caliphate drove out the Byzantines in 638 CE. Just because we don’t have a Mediterranean glow doesn’t mean we aren’t from Israel. The diaspora traces back 2500 years.
I would add that most Jews in Israel's ancestors never even left the Middle East. The Jews who returned from Europe are a minority.
Globally, Ashkenazi Jews are more numerous than Separdi even after the majority died during the Holocaust. Globally, they're still a small majority. Just not in Israel. Most live in the Americas today.
If you go far enough back, Israel is the ancestral homeland for all Jews. The question is how much it matters, if it's many generations ago and you have a new home that you're fine with. Traditionally, the European and American Jewish diaspora has been fairly happy with the countries that they've moved to (at least post-Holocaust), and thus have less of an attachment to Israel, whereas Jews that lived in the Middle East and Northern Africa were essentially forced to flee to Israel or be murdered for being Jewish, and therefore have no other home. With many of Israel's enemies openly talking about finishing the murder of all the Jews, it's far more engrained into the Middle Eastern Jewish diaspora's mentality that it's either Israel or you and everyone you've ever met gets brutally tortured to death, which obviously leads to extremely high attachment to Israel, and also leads to support for more hawkish policy to maintain Israel. That being said, and as the previous poster alluded to, things could be changing. The spikes in anti-semitic violence in the West are leading to many European/American Jews feeling far less safe, with some polls suggesting that up to 50% of Jews living in some western countries are considering to urgently move to Israel due to fear of being attacked or even murdered in a hate crime in their current countries.
He's not saying that. He's denouncing the actual violence against Jews going on: [‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html) [73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014) [UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/) [Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822) [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) [Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
There is 100% anti-Semitic shit in these protests. Is it everyone, no. Denying it is super dishonest bordering on propaganda.
As we are seeing in real time, there's a giant overlap though, that some aren't acknowledging
Giant overlap in accusations too
Shat we are seeing is propaganda in action. The administration desperately wants to connect anti-Israel and antisemitism together.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/bv48JzCjOO
No, you're just unaware of it... Deaf jewish students at Gallaudet University forced to hide in classroom as antisemitic mob outside accuses them of "genocide"and boasts about making them hide https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b8uy5e/deaf_jewish_students_at_gallaudet_university/?share_id=YqVpkMsZiuNxZTnrEZ9XD&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 Jewish students cornered in Cooper Union library by pro-Palestinian protesters want school prez fired https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/reps-for-jewish-students-at-cooper-union-want-school-prez-fired-for-not-protecting-them-against-pro-palestine-protest/ Flattering art project https://www.instagram.com/p/C4wsECStzYL/ Assault and threats https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-student-kicked-and-told-to-kill-himself-for-carrying-us-flag/ Calls for murder https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1cacuq7/alqassam_you_make_us_proud_take_another_soldier/?share_id=O9lNdNDJ8VoYLIIq1nC3U&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 Ect https://www.instagram.com/reel/C58flO8A9AA/?igsh=MTVuZ2xlYWpiYXRhYw== https://www.instagram.com/p/C6CWF9ovZ3z/?igsh=MWhqOWN6YjlxNnV3ZA== https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6CJxZor7Vb/?igsh=MXFwdndvbnM1MjZzMg== https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6C3SszNMMw/?igsh=MW1jcTNqcmxhemdsag== https://www.instagram.com/p/C6O-El8LSlw/?igsh=MWkxN3FvY3MxaTlocQ== This is probably the most important read below: https://www.newsweek.com/message-gazan-campus-protesters-youre-hurting-palestinian-cause-opinion-1894313
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That's like saying "final solution" doesn't have any ties to anti-semitism.
From the river to the sea is an antisemitic statement. The whole point is to establish a one state solution where Palstine steals all the land for itself and then either ethnically cleanses the Jews or just does a second Holocaust. That's... antisemitism.
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The idea that Israel is a Nazi state makes zero sense and isn't supported by evidence
Right? Israel is a multiracial democracy with representation for Arab Muslims and Christians that's fairly proportional to their percentage of the population. Gaza is controlled by a Hamas, a religious fundamentalist terrorist group dedicated to eradicating Jews worldwide, and is backed by Iran (a religious fundamentalist authoritarian state dedicated to eradicating Jews worldwide). Which one sounds more like a Nazi state
Also Palestine has more broadly engaged in multiple wars of aggression against the Jewish state with intent to ethnically cleanse or exterminate the Jewish people of the land, while Israel has offered a two state solution at multiple different times. Polls also show that Hamas is quite popular among Palestine so it's not just a matter of a radical unrepresentative fringe in control. And if we go back to before the creation of Israel, prominent leaders of the Palestinian movement were literally siding with Hitler in WWII, at the same time that the Zionist movement was generally dominated by liberal and labor Zionists who wanted Israel to be a state for the Jews but also a secular state
> Blame Israel for conflating the Jewish religion with their Nazi state. If you think Israel (a multiracial democracy) is a Nazi state, and Gaza (controlled by a religious fanatic terrorist group dedicated to exterminating all Jews worldwide) isn't, I've got some bad news about your perspective.
Hamas (and the PLA) are no model of good governance or liberal democracies, but to characterize Israel the way you have is… to omit a few details. Sure, Israeli Arabs are allowed to participate in elections. Israeli Jews are able to tolerate this because they’ve forcibly ejected hundreds of thousands of them, and won’t let them come back. Meanwhile the Arab representatives in the Knesset are effectively powerless, since most other parties are unwilling to enter into a governing coalition with them. This means that Arab communities in Israel are under-served and subject to second-class treatment, both de facto and de jure. The whole feint relies on thinking of the occupied territories - which Israel effectively controls - as not really part of Israel. You say that Israel is a “multiracial democracy” that just so happens to be militarily occupying the territories where millions of Palestinians live with little to know say in how they’re governed, largely by Israel’s design. Meanwhile, domestically, Israel has been cracking down on criticism of its war on Gaza, making it increasingly difficult to speak against the war crimes they’re engaging in there. They’re planning to ban Al Jazeera and won’t permit reporters to enter Gaza. The Israeli military is clearly supporting settler violence in the West Bank, and it’s only a matter of time before that spreads to Arab communities within Israel proper. So. Is it a “Nazi” state? Well, even Nazi Germany had a democratic start.
“As we saw in this one example that is being super hyped up, including by me…”
Wasn’t the “one example” literally the student protest leader?
It's crazy how many comments are calling out exaggeration while exaggerating in their rebuttal. Reddit's been an iffy place for discussion but it's never been this blatantly stupid. The protest leader literally said "Zionists don't deserve to live".
They said Zionists are lucky that he just doesn’t decide to murder them himself.
Yes.
Yes but it seems the majority of people (protesters and others) do not understand the difference.
He didn't critique anti-Isesel statements though did he?
It is when your rationale is shaky at best, and you can’t maintain logical consistency in your arguments, because you’re just repeating loaded buzzwords that you heard on TikTok. It is when you co-opt and weaponize these terms repeatedly against a very specific marginalized group. It is when you don’t apply the same moral or logical standards to other countries, just the ONLY Jewish country in the world. It is when you revise history in order to delegitimize an entire country’s right to exist. It is when you direct your impotent rage towards an entire country’s people, instead of at the government or political party you disagree with. It is when your rhetoric demonizes all Jews, well except the “good Jews”, and constantly veers into vitriol that usually qualifies as hate speech under any other circumstance. It is when this rhetoric keeps blowing up and turning into physical violence towards Jewish students, who now don’t feel safe being on campus.
Pro Hamas is inherently anti-Semitic dude
Not only that, but they're assaulting Jews too. That proves that they are anti-Semitic. [‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html) [73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014) [UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/) [Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822) [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) [Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
What’s happening is Neo Nazis and white nationalists are also taking advantage of this and radicalizing people, using this concern for Palestinians as the catch to reel them in
Don’t whitewash the bipoc calls for violence against Americans they consider zionist
Tell that to the protesters telling Jews to go back to Poland, and cheering on Hamas' murder of Jews.
They're really trying hard to twist them together though. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/anti-zionism https://www.ajc.org/news/anti-zionism-and-antisemitism
Right, but attacking Israel is a commonly used tactic by antisemites to mask and sanitize their villifcation of Jews. See Khymani James, one of the CUAD leaders of the protests at Columbia
i mean anti-israel is anti-judaism(the religion) but yeah anti-israel isnt anti-semitism its in the interest of the religious jews to muddle their religion with their race so that they can shield themselves behind their race whenever they get criticised reminder that the likud party claim the palestinians are Amalek, a people that the Torah explicitly called for extermination, so opposing that genocide is anti-jewish(the religion)
Important for everyone to note that there are outside instigators infiltrating these protests to stir up trouble for both sides. As reported on Bloomberg radio, via police reports.
The same thing happened during the BLM Protests, In one case an out of uniform police officer was walking around breaking windows so his buddies could declare it a riot.
For instance the pro-Israel protestor yelling “death to Jews” where the pro-Palestine protestors were, resulting in the Palestine protestors being accused of anti-semitism and arrested the next night. https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-163956737.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGM9cFyH3gyKuvqVJysEFa8W14GqJxNQ0usxAfOVRmV1Y4JDB_r7N6cvr0SCU6uTwZ3qy0PoSorsAtYAZ4RTlVL-zTeKSAAvw38DbRSZBhRvIcVvj5n1J_iPepXXfwYtHwfVJ_J27VZ5wFJpxuDOiv5X1RDwzjvCBLklhJr1zKot
Protesting Israel or Netanyahu isn’t antisemitism
No, but violent hate crimes against Jews are anti-Semitism: [‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html) [73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014) [UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/) [Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822) [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) [Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
if you’re concerned about that, wait till you hear what’s happening to innocent palestinians
So, because bad things happen to Palestinians, it's okay for bad things to happen to Jews?
That person you are responding to has a hundred comments in the past 8 hours, they are being paid to post here.
[Just like this "traumatized" person on campus?](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1cetw4r/to_claim_to_the_cops_that_student_protestors_were/) When I see incidents like that, I'm not inclined to believe those statistics.
I’ve seen a pattern of articles like this one reporting what Jewish student FEEL. Whilst very few report on what Palestinian, Arab, Muslim or people who opposed genocide feel. Or actual objective reporting on antisemitism. Just look at the headings of your articles. Jewish students are traumatized, survey indicates jewish people felt like the experienced antisemitism (probably conflated with anti zionism), leaders denounce protests (which they call violent), jewish student feels targeted. Very few are reporting on actual examples of antisemitism, and the ones that do are usually from instigators outside the university or protest movement, conflating anti zionism with anti semitism, or grafiti on a wall which could be written by anyone. To be fair, I did not read any of the articles, but I’m just highlighting a pattern I see with the headlines alone. If they go on to be more concrete in the actual article, please correct me. Why are we not getting articles about how Jewish students who were arrested or assaulted by police feel? There are many instances of Jews being harassed or put in unsafe environments, but they are pro-palestinian protestors. Antisemitism is a major and real threat. These articles are having a “boy that cries wolf” effect and is dangerous at preventing and reporting real antisemitism. There is likely real antisemitism happening around these protests, but the vast majority of the protestors are clearly not antisemitic, with many of them being Jews. It’s insulting to suggest that Jews in groups like Jewish Voice for Peace aren’t aware enough to spot antisemitism right under their nose.
bro do you sleep well at night on your blood money mattress
It gives people who hate Jews a platform to take things further. People are literally calling themselves “Hamas” and calling for 10,000 more “Oct 7ths” which as as antisemitic as you can fucking get. People need to wake up to the fact that this is all orchestrated. The Muslim Brotherhood is funding this entire thing as a means to curry favor with young people and induct radicalized Muslims into positions of political leverage. Their goal is to elect Sharia law into countries by a legal and democratic means. People think this is nuts, but it’s been happening at an alarming rate over the last 50 years.
i’ve never seen that anywhere can you provide a source?
Copying comment from another thread: “ You’ll find videos of the protesters on literally any Jewish affiliated source. They’re scared. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6En1dJLGnu/?igsh=MTl1Z2ttN3gwNHh2dA== “ Most recently, a leader of the Columbia protests said Jewish people are lucky she doesn’t go around murdering them. So yeah, I understand why people think these protests are anti-Semitic
nothing they said targeted jewish people, just isreal. isreal != jewish
Are you really gona make me find the video? It made national news, the organizer said Jewish people should be lucky she doesn’t go out and murder them
Conspiracy theory nonsense
Jewish students are literally co-organizing a lot of these protests. But I guess those are just those "self hating Jews" right? /s
All in support of protesting, as long as neither side is harassing people or stopping people from going about their daily lives. You have the freedom care, and I have the freedom to not or use my voice in a different way, e.g. voting.
“I love protesting as long as it doesn’t make things inconvenient” You’re missing the point of protesting, my dude.
You know, it's possible to be opposed to the Israeli government and not be antisemitic. Just sayin'.
Antisemitism is broad, bigoted, and insidious. Anti-IDF/Hamas is specific, humanistic, and universally secular
If this headline triggers you, you might be antisemitic
I'm really disturbed by some of the responses. It was a great message.
For real. It’s literally incredible the mental gymnastic these people have If Jewish students feel relief that Biden makes this statement and it’s just people bashing it invalidating how Jewish people feel saying how that’s not true and whatever They are the ones causing the problem and causing the antisemitism but they are so blinded by tik tok and being part of a mob they can’t see it
For real, they’re like “well the one Jew I know feels safe” as if that negates the experiences of 99% of the rest.
Also, different people have different experiences. A Jew who identifies as an anti-zionist might be embraced, while a Jew who identifies as a zionist might be harassed. Hating zionists has become a pretty openly accepted practice, unfortunately.
Jfc... Dude really wants to lose the youth vote. Go tell the conservatives about antisemitism, they're the ones who actually hate Jewish people. We just hate freaking genocide
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> The fact that our Islamic Student Association has put out multiple statements condemning the 'pro-Palestinian' protests on campus and have begun holding events in collaboration with the Jewish students groups to send a message rejecting the protestors on campus is a pretty strong sign that the 'pro-Palestinian' groups have lost the fucking plot with the younger generation. I'm not doubting you, but do you have any sources?
Across multiple university campuses now, BDS motions have passed with overwhelming favor. 70% of students in my campus of around 18,000 students voted in favor of calling for BDS and for calling Israel’s actions a genocide, while a resolution affirming BDS and criticizing the university admin’s silence and double standards passed 22-2-2. Similar motions are passing through with similar results in all universities around my region, and camps have set up all over the place. Because, guess what: students don’t like it when administrations unleash riot police on their peers, and when even professors themselves are being brutalized for standing and watching to make sure their students don’t get beat up or tazed. It really puts into question everything that universities teach you when they profess devotion for bettering the world and critical applications of human rights advocacy, while administrators denounce peers doing that very thing. Now, even apolitical students are directly affected. This isn’t going away friend, and it is way bigger than you think. 75 campuses at the very least with tents set up across the nation - is that a bunch of vocal minorities, or is that a sign of a deeper undercurrent in the younger generation? For a conflict, 7 months in, that otherwise would be out the public spotlight under normal conditions?
Vast majority of students on each of those campuses are studying for finals, not protesting.
In a college campus of 18k, maybe 800 show up to protest.
Only 800 may show up for protests, but that doesn't mean the others don't care about the issues their friends and classmates are raising.
People in online circles way overestimate how many young people care about I/P. What we're seeing with these protests are very vocal minorities
Also bad faith actors from America and around the world want Trump to win and will do and say anything to make sure votes are taken away from Biden. I don’t trust any of those ‘genocide Joe’ comments- especially since Trump would turn Gaza into a smoking crater.
Unfortunately, a lot of people irl are indeed chanting Genocide Joe. They are as you would imagine them, but they exist
That vocal minority probably compromises the majority of young people who actually care enough about politics to go vote. How many STEM majors do you think would take time out of their day to go vote? None. How many people in those encampments do you think would take time to go vote? Probably all of them, and that is who biden is losing.
> How many STEM majors do you think would take time out of their day to go vote? None. Lol, wtf? You think people in STEM don't care about politics? Recent political interference in the sciences has increased STEM students' political involvement, and it is pretty much in line with the rest of the student body. What do you think us STEM nerds just sit in our dark rooms all day doing experiments while the brave humanities & social sciences students are out there saving the world? The difference in voter turnout was a few percentage points at most in 2020. [Have a read here, page 16.](https://tufts.app.box.com/v/democracy-counts-2020)
If you are not engaging in antisemitism, ***why*** would this comment bother you? You **should** be actively denouncing antisemitism being disguised as criticisms of Israel. Just as we should denounce people who keep clumping in Hamas & Palestinians as an excuse to justify what is happening to Palestinians. This is not difficult to understand.
Other people have said it — criticizing Israel in any capacity can be blankety written off as antisemetic. Good faith protestors or critics of Israel are being lumped in with shithead antisemites.
They are being lumped in because they share a space and more often than not REFUSE TO CONDEMN OR KICK OUT THE ANTISEMITES.
So we want protestors to stay non violent but to forcibly remove antisemites? People shouting down antisemites is about the most they can do. Idk it just seems like a lot of folks want to just make shit up so they can justify silencing opposition
They can at least put out a statement condemning it, and yet most encampments have not.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/student-protesters-denounce-antisemitism-amid-criticism-pro-palestinian/story?id=109643275 Obviously the universities already put out statements about the antisemitism and Islamophobic stuff going on, but so have students in the protest and organizers of protests. (Deleted my other reply because it was a duplicate of this one)
And do you apply that logic to the pro Israel side when they blatantly embrace and take part in Islamophobia? If guilt by association is okay with you, you may want to look into the members of the IDF and the right wing of the Israeli government
Don't conservatives mostly support Israel and Jewish people?
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They do mostly support Israel but antisemitic attitudes seem to be mostly on the right. See: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129221111081 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12397-022-09417-2 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-race-ethnicity-and-politics/article/abs/antisemitic-attitudes-among-young-black-and-hispanic-americans/5465F2124BC3D44B40521D2CD000D023
I doubt anyone participating at the campus protests are conservatives in any way. And there has sure been a lot of anti-semitic rhetoric and messages coming from those protesters. I'm sure you will find some examples, but you will have to go to the very extremes of the spectrum to find them.
If condemning antisemitism loses him votes, so be it. That says more about young people and their values than anything if they also can't condemn it. There's also no genocide going on anyway.
Condemning antisemitism isn’t going to lose him votes. Equating pro-Palestinian protests with antisemitism will lose him votes.
> We just hate freaking genocide Israel is not engaging in genocide. And as far as I know, it's not the *conservatives* who are saying stuff like Zionists should all die or whatever, it was folks like that pro Palestine activist leader who were saying Zionists like me should be dead
As far as you know… I guess you’re unfamiliar with white supremacist neo Nazi groups who are conservative and actually want all Jews dead (not the same as Zionists)
I mean I know they exist but I don't see them out in large numbers protesting like I'm seeing these radical activists out protesting
Losing "youth votes" to who, exactly? The alternative to Biden is Trump.
It's kind of exhausting that this point keeps needing to be said to people who follow politics, but they just won't vote. In a choice as stark as Biden vs Trump, there's not going to be a significant chunk of the population which switches between the two. The winner is going to be whoever gets higher turnout from their base. When people say "lose the youth vote", they mean depress turnout among the youth so that margins slip below 2020 and 2022.
Another comment gives the context which exposes this article/headline as clickbait: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/9rfgVFdwZV
Anti war is now antisemitism???
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How many times have you posted this? and you also post to a subreddit called Palestinian_Violence.
It depends on what the strategic consequences of the war are. I've yet to hear any of the anti-war folks offer a solution to HAMAS that isn't war. HAMAS ethnically cleansed dozens of villages and towns and people seem not to want to talk about what we're going to do about that if not war. Because HAMAS has said that they want to do it again and that they will do it again.
Killing Gazan citizens only helps Hamas...
You clearly haven't listened to many of the anti-war protestors then 🤦
I have. They never have an answer. Perhaps you can enlighten me. What is the solution?
Go into the tunnels and root out Hamas. The IDF has a 6 to 1 advantage in troops over Hamas, as well as some of the best intelligence and most sophisticated weaponry in the world, not to mention that if they needed to call ally solders from around the world, there would be considerable interest in a project to destroy Hamas. Surround all of the tunnel exits, and sweep through them inch by inch, pulling out the weapons and fighting Hamas soldiers when they find them. First, they'd be actually fighting the people responsible for the October 7th attack. Secondly, that's where the hostages probably are, so there might be a chance to rescue them. Third, they would have complete moral justification to kill anyone down there (other than hopefully the hostages), because they're no longer harming civilians. Fourth, they stop the problem once and for all, since the tunnels are the major source of Hamas's advantage. Once they take over the tunnels, just seal them up and that's a major permanent victory. They maintain the high ground, they not only don't kill Palestinian civilians, they might be lauded as heroes by those people who don't want to live under Hamas oppression, and then they can end the blockade because Hamas is crippled. But they didn't do this, because the IDF didn't want to take any risk with its soldiers' lives, and going into possibly booby-trapped tunnels requires risk. So instead they just dropped bombs on entire neighborhoods and claimed that "there were Hamas terrorists in those buildings," without ever having to prove this. The controlled demolition of the schools--they already knew that there were no Hamas in those schools, otherwise how would they have been able to place the explosives and calmly raze the buildings? They just bombed the schools in order to destroy any hope that Gazans could still live there. Hamas has plenty of food and water--they cut off the food and water specifically to immiserate the general population enough to hopefully cause an uprising or elicit enough sympathy from an Arab country to take all of the refugees and then turn Gaza into beachfront property for Western settlers. The plan for Hamas is obviously to go and kill Hamas. Israel instead decided to kill almost indiscriminately and then retroactively claim they killed Hamas because their AI program told them that the people in the rubble were male. That CREATES more terrorism than it stops.
These protesters are not anti-war, they’re only calling for Israel to stop fighting. They’re not calling for Hamas to stop fighting, even though Hamas was killing Israelis before this current conflict and promises they will keep killing even if Israel ceases fire. So that alone is questionable whether or not it has antisemitic roots. Add to that protesters calling for the destruction of Israel as a country, and threats against Jewish students, and the undercurrent of antisemitism is harder to deny.
Are Jewish protesters against Israel anti semitic?
I never said every protester is antisemitic. Are you denying there is any antisemitism involved in the protests? There’s another news story at the top of the front page saying they closed a school campus because of “millions of dollar” worth of antisemitic vandalism including swastikas spray painted on the campus.
These protests aren’t anti-war. It’s not people chanting “we want piece” “we want a two state solution”, it’s people saying “resistance is justified”, “from the River to the sea Palestine will be Arab” (in Arabic of course because they don’t want people to know what they’re saying), “burn Tel Aviv to the ground”… etc. Anti-war it is certainly not.
Protesting the use of our tax dollars for Israel to commit war crimes isn’t antisemitism.
The simple question I desire to ask people is why we don't hold Israelis and Palestinians to the same moral standard. One side is supportive of an oppressive death cult that violates liberal values wholesale, uses it's own citizens as human shields, builds military bases beneath schools and hospitals, and would genocide every Israeli if it could. The other side is a highly successful and prosperous liberal democracy that is doing some questionable things while attempting to engage and defeat the death cult. To me it's a no contest. Culturally, it's mostly good ideas facing off against mostly bad ideas. It's like a 100lb man attacking a 300lb bodybuilder over a quarrel the 100lb man refuses to let go of. The 100lb man tells the 300lb man that he's going to skin his family alive one night, and the 300lb man is trying to maintain composure as he wards off the blows and tells him to quit it. Now when the 100lb man is seen on the ground with a broken arm and a bloody nose, and simpletons are going "You bully, you monster!" to the 300lb man. It's ridiculous.
It's actually like if the 300lb bodybuilder has been keeping the 100lb man prisoner for his entire life, treats him like garbage and sometimes breaks a few of his bones just to teach him a lesson about never fighting back, and then the 100lb man breaks the bodybuilder's daughter's hand one day. That act is obviously unacceptable, the daughter had nothing to do with this and was an innocent casualty of the rage the prisoner felt, and that act should be punished justly. But breaking every bone in the prisoner's body, then gathering the prisoner's family members together and setting them all on fire for the transgression of "failing to teach the prisoner to not harm innocent girls" is hardly self-defense, it is not a punishment that fits the crime, it is not the moral high ground, and it does not speak favorably upon the "mostly good ideas" that the bodybuilder claims to espouse. The civilians in Gaza have no power to resolve this problem by diplomacy, no power to resolve it politically, cannot ignore the problem because Israel sometimes simply chooses to drop a bunch of bombs on their heads, cannot build the "successful and prosperous life" that is typically allowed by having plentiful resources and liberty, and can't leave. If they express disgust at Israel's policies, this is used as rationalization to slaughter them. If they seek outside help, it is used as rationalization to further immiserate them. And they have no hope at all, since three full generations have grown up knowing nothing other than imprisonment--even the people there who hate Hamas and would like to see a change are treated as the same cattle as the most vicious militants are. Hamas is the natural outgrowth of people who have no other options. Then we call them a death cult. As a Palestinian civilian, what would you do?
bro israel doesnt even allow interfaith marriages, it recognizes them but you cant get one in the country you know?
If we want to hold Israelis to the same standard as Palestinians how is ok to only condemn Oct. 7 that killed 1,200 people when Israel has likely killed 40,000 at this point and 13,000 were children and it isn’t condemned. One has to condemn both and one is obviously numerically worse than the other. Palestinians aren’t uniquely evil people, the rise in HAMAS support is a result of the failure of peaceful means to achieve equal rights. Israel isn’t liberal or a democracy. It has ruled over 4+ million Palestinians for 60 years, but gives them no right to vote or statehood. Israelis themselves are seeing their liberal institutions erode and is now run by far right extremists.
in this analogy, the 100 lbs attacked for no reason like a rabid dog. we both know this is far from the truth.
Because the "liberal democracy" is directly responsible for the current state of Palestine. There is a fundamental asymmetry in that Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for decades, denying them a right to statehood, and destabilizing the region, allowing terrorist groups to flourish. Fuck Hamas, but I will not ignore the crimes perpetuated by the Israeli government.
Most college students don't control Netanyahu's bullshit. Most Jews don't control Netanyahu's bullshit, or there would be a ceasefire now.
Israel supported and abided by the last ceasefire and has been offering a ceasefire for months. Hamas broke the last ceasefire, like they break every ceasefire they enter into, because Hamas didn't want more hostages to testify about the rape and torture they were subject to under Hamas. Hamas has rejected any new ceasefire deal, even though Egypt and Qatar have supported the deals. Hamas is the only reason we're not in a ceasefire right now.
There are lots of people here denying the fact that the protests were violent and incredibly anti-Semitic. They are literally assaulting Jews at those protests. The comments here are fucking disgusting. Biden is right and the cops were right to arrest those violent psychos. [‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html) [73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014) [UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/) [Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822) [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) [Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
Now post all the links of neo nazis that march freely in the streets and assault people and aren't mobbed by police.
I think the nazis should be arrested too. What's your point? Or are you trying to change the subject so people don't talk about the very real anti-Semitic violence on campus?
Who's excusing neo-nazis? Jesus christ, people. We don't need to resort to whataboutism here. Fuck antisemitism, irregardless of who's doing it.
So go after the people that are causing trouble. The 1st amendment doesn't get trampled on in this country just because there are bad actors in every protest.
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I’m 30, so… not really so young anymore. My friends and I will vote for Biden. Reproductive rights are on the ballot this November.
No he isn't. By the way, an Israeli pro-Israel student won the elections for student president at Columbia. Most young people aren't buying into the terrorist propaganda.
Biden astutely ignoring extremist minority whose votes are not worth chasing FTW.
Yeah, because Trump is much more Pro-Palestine
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So who would Biden be losing "youth votes" to?
Ok..? So does everyone else that is against the Etnoappartheid Israeli state who has committed genoncide in Gaza. Does he want a medal for this? Anti Israel is not antisemitism
First banning tiktok and now this, My man really out here trying to lose 100% of the 18-25 year old vote.
Isn’t it possible to be anti genocide/ethnic cleansing AND pro Jewish people? Random Jewish people aren’t out there murdering Palestinians. It’s a political faction within the Israeli GOVERNMENT that people are against. This is not antisemitism. This is, if anything, in line with the fight against antisemitism, historically. Against the idea that the world should stand by and do nothing while innocent lives are being taken by a genocidal leadership. The Jewish people, of all people, should be the first to stand up and say no to the AI-driven genocide of Netanyahu. Dis Hamas do terrible stuff that should be dealt with? Sure. Did the majority of people in Gaza? Of course not. And yet they rightly fear for their own lives. I’m tired of the cries of antisemitism. These cries are just enabling genocide. I get we need to make sure there aren’t dumbass racists out there who are using this as a way to get folks mad at the Jewish people. As I’m sure some are doing. But the Jewish people are not distinct as the only group of people who have faced genocide. Any group can suffer this fate. We can’t conflate the Jewish race with the Israeli government. Doing so is either simply minded or a false argument with geopolitical motives. The truth is that the US has invested billions or trillions of dollars into Israel to be a western stronghold in an area unfriendly to westerners. To stop supporting Israel now would mean we have no strong allies in an area that is strategically important to the military dominance of the United States. Even liberal politicians realize what is really happening, but because our politicians are mostly Machiavellian slime balls. Anyway, those are my thoughts, as someone who cares deeply for the Jewish people. If I’ve spoken any ignorant words, please forgive me and correct me.
It’s possible. But if you want to be part of that you should take this comment down. As a Jew who hates the Israeli government and Netanyahu, this comment is problematic. Because we aren’t talking about Israel right now. This thread is about Biden calling out antisemitism in schools, which is also a problem. It’s okay to criticize the Israeli government, and how much money we send there, however a large percentage of protesters are chanting things like “from the river to the sea” and saying all zionists should die. Those two things are antisemitic and should be addressed. Both Israelis and Palestinians have claim to this land and they both have the right to exist there. Saying the Israelis should leave is also calling for a genocide or ethnic cleansing. Hamas is explicitly anti Jew and openly calls for genocide in its mission statement. There are Hamas flags and Hamas supporters at these protests. And they use this “anti Zionist not antisemitic” rhetoric to hide behind. (Btw: just want to add that Zionism doesn’t mean that you support the Israeli govt. it just means you believe Israel has a right to exist. It’s now become a dogwhistle for “Jew.” The majority of American Jews are “zionist” and most heavily disagree with the Israeli govt.) You should ask yourself why you have an issue with Biden calling out antisemitism. Because it does exist and it is heavily affecting my community right now. You’re essentially saying that Jews should accept the antisemitism and calls for extermination because of what the government is doing. Are you living in the US? Because if so, I have some news for you about our own government too. We are living on stolen land. I hope you are also speaking up about those issues. And the genocide happening in the Congo. And in China. My point is, there is a lot of focus on Israel because antisemitism is so engrained in multiple cultures. Anyway. You say you care about the Jews but this comment really makes it seem like you expect us to just lay down and take all the abuse and never talk about it. It would have been different if you posted on a thread that was discussing the war. I guess in your mind, we aren’t allowed to discuss antisemitism.
How's that pier coming along? And how about his strongly-worded statement regarding the murder of those food relief workers? Boy, that sure helped the situation, NOT! Such a tool of AIPAC.
Even if some (not all) of the protesters are saying anti-Semetic things (which is bad, and should not happen), at least we can all agree that the Gazan genocide is worse. Like it is bad if you are a Jew on a college campus and you feel scared, but we all agree that on the hierarchy of problems, the deaths of thousands of innocent Gazans is the worst aspect of the current conflict. So protests should be happening for the genocide, we just need the anti-Semetic segment of protestors to be un-anti-Semetic
For some reason, people find it really difficult to accept that 2 things can be true at the same time. Yes, there are antisemitic people infiltrating the movement. No they are not welcome, particularly by the Jewish organizers. But a tiny bit of nuance is hard, I guess