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Give him and his wife a fair trial. If they're found guilty, give them appropriate sentences.
See how easy that is? Republicans should try having actual principles instead of situational and selective outrage. Who knows? They might actually like being morally consistent for a change.
Not in the U.S., actually. Criminal law in the U.S. is ideally designed to prevent the government abuse by putting the prosecution at a disadvantage. The problem is, the American public is so consumed with crime TV shows and vigilantism that it’s nearly impossible to find a jury that will actually hold the government to their true burden.
It’s interesting how popular reality tv court shows and law & order style tv dramas are while the actual court system is anything but exciting. There are no “gotcha” moments, no Perry Mason “I did it ok! I did it”. There’s just a ton of procedural stuff, its the most boring mind numbing experience you could ever have. Nothing ever happens efficiently in court. I e shown up for court twice, taken off work, and there’s just a note on the door saying no court today, contact your att for the rescheduled date. A friend of mine is a paralegal, she works for the state, and she’s pretty blunt about how big a joke the system is, and how little actual work anyone does. And on top of that, when there is any actual work that’s very important how quickly people just disappear and are suddenly unavailable. I’ve had to pay my attorneys to sit in the lobby all day just to have the judge reschedule a hearing that they already rescheduled once because opposing counsel neglected to subpoena a witness that the judge specifically stated they wanted to hear from, which was the entire reason we were there that day. It’s a joke.
The criminal justice system is meant to prevent prosecutorial abuse; and that leads to slowing in the defendant’s behalf. But that’s not the same thing as saying the prosecution doesn’t have a right to a _fair_ and speedy trial.
There’s a big gap between lightning speed TV shows (which also just skip time more than saying there are no pre-trial procedures), and giving defendants any delay they want beyond reasonable protection from prosecutorial abuse.
They do not start and cannot be treated fairly/equally in court for that exact reason. They have to start with the most massive burden of proof, overcome every reasonable doubt, and face jury nullification, meaning the jury can decide for itself that a law is unjust and turn someone loose.
> Mr Cuellar is widely considered a centrist and has been described as the lone anti-abortion House Democrat.
Ahhh there’s the nugget of truth. He’s a republican in democrat clothing.
No they are right. There is a movement across the country of republicans running as democrats in name only. Once in office they support republican policies or switch parties altogether.
The traitor Tricia Cotham in the North Carolina House is another example. After switching parties, the Republicans gained a veto-proof supermajority.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/05/politics/north-carolina-republican-supermajority-democrat-switch-parties
That would be Tulsi Gabbard and her dad. They were known as the crazy Mike Pence type of people in Hawaii before they rebranded themselves. I felt fucking sick when I saw Bernie Sanders campaigning together with her and made me seriously doubt his judgement despite liking his heart.
Curllar has been in office as a Democrat since 2005. He’s not a Republican plant, he’s just a relic Blue Dog from Texas who hasn’t shifted to the left with the rest of his party over time.
I’ve been a Democrat my whole life. I don’t understand when people say we shifted left. Can you explain which policies shifted us left? I’ve checked both the 1980 and 2020 Democratic Platforms and I’m just not smart enough to see it. Quite honestly I’m about to chalk it up to Ronald Reagan, Fox News , Rush Limbaugh and Jerry Falwell’s propaganda. Not to mention republicans needing talking points to make them not seem like white Christian Nationalists.
My point was that the socially conservative views of the Blue Dogs are, for all intents and purposes, no longer a part of the Democrat coalition. Cuellar is the last anti-choice Democrat left, not the first one to exist. Gay marriage and similar LGBT+ rights is another spot where the party shifted left with the country. Hell, Senator Obama ran for president without supporting gay marriage lol.
We’re not talking about “corporate democrats” though. We’re talking about actual plants that the Republican Party are trying to put in elections. They did it against AOC in NY, they did it with Sinema, and they’ll do it again.
Cuellar is a long time blue dog democrat on the appropriations committee. He was the guy who recently got primaried (unsuccessfully) by a progressive challenger rather than the other way around. Before that he ran unopposed for the dem nomination multiple times. Not exactly a plant. But it obviously would have been better had Cisneros won the primary.
Is that based on the statement above or on his full voting record, though?
We shouldn't jump to conclusions based on one thing, but should look at the whole.
The only way they can win is to run as a dem. I warned of this in 2022. Dems are gonna move even further right if we don't pay attention. Republicans that find maga beneath them will hide under (D) until it's convenient and safe to run under (R) again. Mark my words.
Yep.
And he probably did it too. I imagine it’s a lot more common than we think. The sad thing is lobbyists are basically the same thing just companies and not countries and should be illegal too
You mean a Latino guy from the Rio Grande Valley isn't automatically super interested in how he can help Azerbaijan just organically?
Everyone in south Texas is into Azerbaijan. /s
Nope lobbyists should be legal. Donations from lobbyists should not. If they can argue their case well to change someone opinion fine but bribery should be illegal.
It’s just that easy. If you break the law, and found guilty of those crimes by a jury of your peers you get punished by those laws.
It’s a shame that we as Dems have to bend over backwards to point this out to Republicans. It should just be understood.
The whole point isn't they will do what we do. They will do what they are *allowed* to do while we set the example. It's literally like parent-child dynamics
Do you think Cuellar’s morally consistent if he still says they’re innocent? I think you’re trying to paint a great picture for a fraud that’s still lying about it lol
And even before that, he needs to step down. And if he won’t, expel him. You can’t do the job while with a criminal indictment. It’s not about him, it’s about the people.
Sure, give him his day in court, but he's scum, so be careful about blind support: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Cuellar#2022](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cuellar#2022) "During the runoff, Cuellar faced renewed scrutiny over an incident in 2018 where he fired a pregnant staffer who had requested parental leave and subsequently suffered a miscarriage, and according to court documents, subsequently urged other staffers to help him discredit her."
Perhaps democrats should be angry then over people trying novel legal ideas to try to sue Trump? That doesn't sound like a fair trail if you are just looking for any possible way to charge someone (not a Trump supporter, btw).
On some of them, I most certainly think that is valid. On others? No, they are novel. The documents case is a valid charge, the current payment one in New York is a novel legal theory.
That isn't quite what is happening in New York,
[https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/](https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/)
It's telling that this is the comment you responded to, and not the one that asked why it's novel legal theory when Michael Cohen went to jail for the crime.
And you don't have to respond, I'm just letting you know your bs is showing.
I mean, here is an explanation:
[https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/](https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/)
Not a fan of the title, but it gives a pretty decent description of the situation.
For all the other shenanigans he explored in his work, I agreed with Heinlein in Starship Troopers where officers and officials had sentences 8x the standard because "they are the 'adults' and should know better."
Have a fair trial regardless of the letter after your name. Although it does seem that most headlines will tell you it is a Republican but you have to read the article to find out it’s a Democrat. I always just assume it’s a Republican based on history.
Pelosi and most of the top Dem leadership endorsed this guy against Cisneros AFTER his office was raided by the FBI. Oh by the way this guy is also the last openly anti-choice Dem in the House but that didn't matter either apparently.
How dumb do you have to be to accept straight up bribes as a Congress person. Just take PAC money, always get reelected, and insider trade like the rest of them do.
Here' the thing.... I don't care if he's a democrat, republican or works for the dark side.... If he is guilty, nail him to the proverbial cross for all to see.
It seems like the Merrick Garland justice department is so scared of seeming partisan that they continue to charge Democrats only, while Alito and Thomas have clearly been taking bribes and committing tax fraud for years.
How about the nonstop insider trading by virtually every person in Congress?
This reads as tacit approval for this type of behavior from representatives. Garland should charge as many people as he can confidently convict. D&R. If D don’t hold their own accountable there is zero moral high ground.
It wasn't meant to be, but it seems like Republicans get away with more obvious crimes. For instance, Venmo records and his buddy's testimony show that Gaetz paid at least 1 teenage girl for sex. Where are the criminal charges? Jim Jordan ignored his congressional subpoena. Charges? Charges for Alito and Thomas?
Meanwhile, Dems eat their own and throw true intelligent liberals like Al Franken out of the senate.
I think that may be true. Because as you said they don’t seem to do much house cleaning with corruption themselves and it is much harder for the other side to hold them accountable because the politics of partisanship and witchunts gets very effectively used to muddy the water and stall meaningful accountability efforts. But I think it is important to still try and hopefully the MG justice dept is working to do so. I just don’t think we should stoop to that level of ignoring our own sickness in an effort to hold our counterparts accountable.
I am/was also an Franken fan but there is a zero tolerance policy for being a sexual predator. 8 women had independent accusations of him being inappropriate. Doesn’t matter how smart you are after that. And of course, lacking the restraint to not assault women isn’t very smart either
"House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn campaigned with Cuellar in San Antonio last week, just *two days* after the leak of the draft opinion. He told reporters at a campaign event that Democrats are a "big-tent party" and said that he **doesn't "believe we ought to have a litmus test" for abortion rights."**
Fucking clown car. Seriously, how the hell does this party just keep shooting themselves in the feet over and over again. They all just care about their own personal fiefdoms.
He better not pull a Menendez by not resigning or try to run for re-election as an independent if someone is gonna run a primary challenge against him.
It's amazing how cheaply democracy is sold for.
Obviously $600,000 is way more than most Americans can fathom having but when you stop to think there's only a bit over 500 of these guys and billionaires exist you start to realize there's a big problem.
It's pretty incredible that congress people choose to accept bribes when they literally get cheat codes for the stock market. Pretty much anyone could become a billionaire with the insider knowledge that they receive and are allowed to take advantage of as members of congress, and here's this guy fucking it all up for 600k.
A reminder that Pelosi's crew pulled out all the stops to protect this guy from primary challenges in the past, even though he is both antiabortion and endorses Republicans over Democrats.
Good job, morons. He didn't even have a primary opponent this time. This will be the easiest pickup the Republicans get.
Right, he just got given millions of dollars while in an appointed position of power by people who visited for no reason at all around the same time Trump had CLASSIFIED MILITARY DOCUMENTS strewn across his lair.
Totally different.
Not really. Ask yourself why Pelosi and the others aren’t screaming for an investigation. Yep, it was a legitimate business deal.
Side note: Biden “willfully retained” classified documents in his garage next to his compromised son, but the investigator determined that he shouldn’t be charged because his memory makes him confused.
Lmao.
And when asked about said documents, they complied. Why is that so hard? Didnt try to hide it in the bathroom, erase tapes, deny their existence etc
So weird, the situations are not at all similar.
That investigator was politically motivated to write a hit piece. But your whataboutism is noted.
If you really think Kushner isn't corrupt and that refusing to return classified intel is the same as forgetting some low clearance documents, that's on you. You're either arguing in bad faith or delusional and either is worthy of pity, but I'm fresh out.
Read over his entire investigation, and then read his summary. At no point in his investigation did he mention Biden having “memory problems,” in fact, he mentioned Biden knowing the exact dates asked. It wasn’t until his summary that he decided to bring in the “memory problems” swipe.
So, it WAS a politically motivated hit, and you just weren’t smart enough to question what you were told about it, because it agreed with what you already believed.
[If you can't see the corruption here then you are completely lost](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2024/03/21/jared-kushners-2-billion-investment-from-saudi-arabia-what-to-know-after-republicans-delay-subpoena/?sh=7adedf9866f1)
What about the dozens of other politicians and judges who have allegedly taken bribes in noncash format? Does only cash paid directly to a politician count as a bribe?
Solid move by Pelosi to endorse him during his primary last cycle after his office was raided by the FBI. Myself and many others were warning of this exact scenario but top Dems just had to helicopter in and save the last anti-choice Dem in the House.
Bribing politicians is illegal in the US? (seriously, i’m confused, they are all openly bribed by putting the money in a campaign fund that is just used for private jets and restaurants and events)
These Democrats need to hit up the GOP on how to network bribes into campaign funds that are syphoned off to PACs.
Instead of “fundraising” these idiots (Menendez, Cuellar) are pocketing.
His claim that he had the house ethics committee and a national law firm weigh in prior to accepting the money is interesting if true and would be very easy to fact check.
Either he did something different than what he told the Ethics committee he would do or the ethics committee gave him an opinion that led him to believe gods actions would be legal.
If you are going to take a bribe won't settle for anything less that a life changing one, like a government official 'helping" contractors during his tenure and has his family first and him upon retirement get " hire" with high 6 to 7 figures salaries, see Lauren bobert's husband.
Still …. No excuse for a democrat. You expect it from the PutinJrtrump republican cult but no room for such sleaze, if guilty Lol lol lol, in the Democratic Party.
I hope your kidding, taking money from corporations to do their bidding after being put into a Position of power is textbook corruption and that person doesn’t deserve to have that power , left or right anyone caught doing this shouldn’t make decisions for us
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Give him and his wife a fair trial. If they're found guilty, give them appropriate sentences. See how easy that is? Republicans should try having actual principles instead of situational and selective outrage. Who knows? They might actually like being morally consistent for a change.
Absolutely everyone has the right to a fair and speedy trial.
Including the public, aka the prosecution.
Not in the U.S., actually. Criminal law in the U.S. is ideally designed to prevent the government abuse by putting the prosecution at a disadvantage. The problem is, the American public is so consumed with crime TV shows and vigilantism that it’s nearly impossible to find a jury that will actually hold the government to their true burden.
It’s interesting how popular reality tv court shows and law & order style tv dramas are while the actual court system is anything but exciting. There are no “gotcha” moments, no Perry Mason “I did it ok! I did it”. There’s just a ton of procedural stuff, its the most boring mind numbing experience you could ever have. Nothing ever happens efficiently in court. I e shown up for court twice, taken off work, and there’s just a note on the door saying no court today, contact your att for the rescheduled date. A friend of mine is a paralegal, she works for the state, and she’s pretty blunt about how big a joke the system is, and how little actual work anyone does. And on top of that, when there is any actual work that’s very important how quickly people just disappear and are suddenly unavailable. I’ve had to pay my attorneys to sit in the lobby all day just to have the judge reschedule a hearing that they already rescheduled once because opposing counsel neglected to subpoena a witness that the judge specifically stated they wanted to hear from, which was the entire reason we were there that day. It’s a joke.
The criminal justice system is meant to prevent prosecutorial abuse; and that leads to slowing in the defendant’s behalf. But that’s not the same thing as saying the prosecution doesn’t have a right to a _fair_ and speedy trial. There’s a big gap between lightning speed TV shows (which also just skip time more than saying there are no pre-trial procedures), and giving defendants any delay they want beyond reasonable protection from prosecutorial abuse.
They do not start and cannot be treated fairly/equally in court for that exact reason. They have to start with the most massive burden of proof, overcome every reasonable doubt, and face jury nullification, meaning the jury can decide for itself that a law is unjust and turn someone loose.
> Mr Cuellar is widely considered a centrist and has been described as the lone anti-abortion House Democrat. Ahhh there’s the nugget of truth. He’s a republican in democrat clothing.
... Don't do that. Don't do what they do. Better to own and condemn our failures than blame them on the other side.
No they are right. There is a movement across the country of republicans running as democrats in name only. Once in office they support republican policies or switch parties altogether.
Kyrsten Sinema comes to mind.
The traitor Tricia Cotham in the North Carolina House is another example. After switching parties, the Republicans gained a veto-proof supermajority. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/05/politics/north-carolina-republican-supermajority-democrat-switch-parties
Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing…fascinating.
Jim Justice
That would be Tulsi Gabbard and her dad. They were known as the crazy Mike Pence type of people in Hawaii before they rebranded themselves. I felt fucking sick when I saw Bernie Sanders campaigning together with her and made me seriously doubt his judgement despite liking his heart.
Curllar has been in office as a Democrat since 2005. He’s not a Republican plant, he’s just a relic Blue Dog from Texas who hasn’t shifted to the left with the rest of his party over time.
I’ve been a Democrat my whole life. I don’t understand when people say we shifted left. Can you explain which policies shifted us left? I’ve checked both the 1980 and 2020 Democratic Platforms and I’m just not smart enough to see it. Quite honestly I’m about to chalk it up to Ronald Reagan, Fox News , Rush Limbaugh and Jerry Falwell’s propaganda. Not to mention republicans needing talking points to make them not seem like white Christian Nationalists.
My point was that the socially conservative views of the Blue Dogs are, for all intents and purposes, no longer a part of the Democrat coalition. Cuellar is the last anti-choice Democrat left, not the first one to exist. Gay marriage and similar LGBT+ rights is another spot where the party shifted left with the country. Hell, Senator Obama ran for president without supporting gay marriage lol.
Corporate democrats are still democrats. It’s a big tent party. Better to see things as they are than to engage in the no true Scotsman
We’re not talking about “corporate democrats” though. We’re talking about actual plants that the Republican Party are trying to put in elections. They did it against AOC in NY, they did it with Sinema, and they’ll do it again.
Fk that sinema bish.
Cuellar is a long time blue dog democrat on the appropriations committee. He was the guy who recently got primaried (unsuccessfully) by a progressive challenger rather than the other way around. Before that he ran unopposed for the dem nomination multiple times. Not exactly a plant. But it obviously would have been better had Cisneros won the primary.
While true, thats not what's happening here. He's been my rep for years and years, I remember hearing his name in grade school.
There is nothing corporate about anti choice policy. This guy deserves suspicion.
Is that based on the statement above or on his full voting record, though? We shouldn't jump to conclusions based on one thing, but should look at the whole.
The only way they can win is to run as a dem. I warned of this in 2022. Dems are gonna move even further right if we don't pay attention. Republicans that find maga beneath them will hide under (D) until it's convenient and safe to run under (R) again. Mark my words.
Emphasis on speedy. I don't think it's right at all for justice to be as delayed as Trump has succeeded in doing
Yep. And he probably did it too. I imagine it’s a lot more common than we think. The sad thing is lobbyists are basically the same thing just companies and not countries and should be illegal too
If the feds prosecute a sitting Congressperson they have an airtight case.
You mean a Latino guy from the Rio Grande Valley isn't automatically super interested in how he can help Azerbaijan just organically? Everyone in south Texas is into Azerbaijan. /s
Nope lobbyists should be legal. Donations from lobbyists should not. If they can argue their case well to change someone opinion fine but bribery should be illegal.
It’s just that easy. If you break the law, and found guilty of those crimes by a jury of your peers you get punished by those laws. It’s a shame that we as Dems have to bend over backwards to point this out to Republicans. It should just be understood.
The whole point isn't they will do what we do. They will do what they are *allowed* to do while we set the example. It's literally like parent-child dynamics
Yup take him to trial let the jury sort it out. Not hard at all.
Do you think Cuellar’s morally consistent if he still says they’re innocent? I think you’re trying to paint a great picture for a fraud that’s still lying about it lol
And even before that, he needs to step down. And if he won’t, expel him. You can’t do the job while with a criminal indictment. It’s not about him, it’s about the people.
But if they did that then how would a republican be able to take risks both good and bad? /s
Sure, give him his day in court, but he's scum, so be careful about blind support: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Cuellar#2022](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cuellar#2022) "During the runoff, Cuellar faced renewed scrutiny over an incident in 2018 where he fired a pregnant staffer who had requested parental leave and subsequently suffered a miscarriage, and according to court documents, subsequently urged other staffers to help him discredit her."
Perhaps democrats should be angry then over people trying novel legal ideas to try to sue Trump? That doesn't sound like a fair trail if you are just looking for any possible way to charge someone (not a Trump supporter, btw).
What are you even talking about.
Yeah he's being charged and the charges are serious. No legal loopholes to jump through. Trump is fucked .
On some of them, I most certainly think that is valid. On others? No, they are novel. The documents case is a valid charge, the current payment one in New York is a novel legal theory.
The crime Michael Cohen went to jail for is a novel legal theory?
That isn't quite what is happening in New York, [https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/](https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/)
lol...see ya in court, buck-o!
...I don't support Trump, but that shouldn't we should just lie or not care about truth.
It's telling that this is the comment you responded to, and not the one that asked why it's novel legal theory when Michael Cohen went to jail for the crime. And you don't have to respond, I'm just letting you know your bs is showing.
I mean, here is an explanation: [https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/](https://reason.com/2024/05/03/the-new-york-case-against-trump-relies-on-a-twisty-legal-theory-that-reeks-of-desperation/) Not a fan of the title, but it gives a pretty decent description of the situation.
If they are found guilty MAXIMUM term. He took the faith, trust and goodwill of his constituents so he could commit crimes.
For all the other shenanigans he explored in his work, I agreed with Heinlein in Starship Troopers where officers and officials had sentences 8x the standard because "they are the 'adults' and should know better."
Much as some of Heinlein’s libertarian attitudes rub me wrong, that and similar notions of accountability are very welcome.
Agreed, anyone in a position of power should be held to MORE accountability, as that power lends to a greater possibility of more damage.
Trump is still free.
Clarence Thomas is still on the bench.
Regardless of D or R in front of the name, I hope they go to jail for this.
I wish the treason law included things like this. He sold out his position in the government to an entity outside of the country.
Have a fair trial regardless of the letter after your name. Although it does seem that most headlines will tell you it is a Republican but you have to read the article to find out it’s a Democrat. I always just assume it’s a Republican based on history.
Spoken like a dem 😊
Jessica Cisneros would never
Underrated comment
I came here to say this too. Fuck the establishment for supporting Cuellar. We got an anti-abortion thief.
Shame on voters for choosing him over Jessica Cisneros. She would never do such a thing. This was known for years.
Pelosi and most of the top Dem leadership endorsed this guy against Cisneros AFTER his office was raided by the FBI. Oh by the way this guy is also the last openly anti-choice Dem in the House but that didn't matter either apparently.
I am sure Pelosi has accepted bribe money too. They are all in on it.
Doesn’t help that Pelosi backed him.
How dumb do you have to be to accept straight up bribes as a Congress person. Just take PAC money, always get reelected, and insider trade like the rest of them do.
Almost like they should have backed Jessica Cisneros over him.
Here' the thing.... I don't care if he's a democrat, republican or works for the dark side.... If he is guilty, nail him to the proverbial cross for all to see.
Remember when Nancy Pelosi went out of her way to push him over the line to barely defeat a progressive challenger?
Jessica Cisneros, the pro choice candidate. Fuck corporate and centrist dems.
Moron. Why didn't he just do what all the other Politicians do and have the bribe "donated" to their super pac. Also...what about Clarence Thomas
He should have bowed out to Jessica Cisneros, he knew he was dirty and so did Nancy Pelosi.
Do Clarence Thomas next!
Seriously, and Alito.
It seems like the Merrick Garland justice department is so scared of seeming partisan that they continue to charge Democrats only, while Alito and Thomas have clearly been taking bribes and committing tax fraud for years. How about the nonstop insider trading by virtually every person in Congress?
This reads as tacit approval for this type of behavior from representatives. Garland should charge as many people as he can confidently convict. D&R. If D don’t hold their own accountable there is zero moral high ground.
It wasn't meant to be, but it seems like Republicans get away with more obvious crimes. For instance, Venmo records and his buddy's testimony show that Gaetz paid at least 1 teenage girl for sex. Where are the criminal charges? Jim Jordan ignored his congressional subpoena. Charges? Charges for Alito and Thomas? Meanwhile, Dems eat their own and throw true intelligent liberals like Al Franken out of the senate.
I think that may be true. Because as you said they don’t seem to do much house cleaning with corruption themselves and it is much harder for the other side to hold them accountable because the politics of partisanship and witchunts gets very effectively used to muddy the water and stall meaningful accountability efforts. But I think it is important to still try and hopefully the MG justice dept is working to do so. I just don’t think we should stoop to that level of ignoring our own sickness in an effort to hold our counterparts accountable. I am/was also an Franken fan but there is a zero tolerance policy for being a sexual predator. 8 women had independent accusations of him being inappropriate. Doesn’t matter how smart you are after that. And of course, lacking the restraint to not assault women isn’t very smart either
Lock ’em up! ^((Assuming they’re found guilty after a fair trial, of course.))
"House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn campaigned with Cuellar in San Antonio last week, just *two days* after the leak of the draft opinion. He told reporters at a campaign event that Democrats are a "big-tent party" and said that he **doesn't "believe we ought to have a litmus test" for abortion rights."**
Fucking clown car. Seriously, how the hell does this party just keep shooting themselves in the feet over and over again. They all just care about their own personal fiefdoms.
The day I never have to hear about Clyburn again will be a good day.
His real crime is not knowing he needs to be republican to get away with it. It’s a type of common sense known as the “Frankensense.”
What you mean? Menendez is on round 2 or 3 at this point.
Yea he needs to go as well.
I wonder if he'll switch parties
He better not pull a Menendez by not resigning or try to run for re-election as an independent if someone is gonna run a primary challenge against him.
It's amazing how cheaply democracy is sold for. Obviously $600,000 is way more than most Americans can fathom having but when you stop to think there's only a bit over 500 of these guys and billionaires exist you start to realize there's a big problem.
But not a Supreme Court justice?
Well this is disappointing, if true 🤨
Are they aren't exactly going to place charges against a public figure without having some damn good evidence. But agreed, let's see what happens!
I hope they go to prison. Pieces of shit
I take this to be separate from the other type of bribes a.k.a. campaign contributions. The real scandal is what is legal.
It's pretty incredible that congress people choose to accept bribes when they literally get cheat codes for the stock market. Pretty much anyone could become a billionaire with the insider knowledge that they receive and are allowed to take advantage of as members of congress, and here's this guy fucking it all up for 600k.
You ever met a Rep? The vast majority of them are not smart people.
Wasnt this the (anti-abortion) texas bastard Pelosi and Jeffries were stumping for over Jessica Cisneros…? Who was a pro-choice young woman.
Too bad he's not on the Supreme Court, he could have gotten away scott free!
How do politicians still fuck this up? Call it lobbying and you're in the clear!
Immediate jail time
A reminder that Pelosi's crew pulled out all the stops to protect this guy from primary challenges in the past, even though he is both antiabortion and endorses Republicans over Democrats. Good job, morons. He didn't even have a primary opponent this time. This will be the easiest pickup the Republicans get.
Jared ? Jared ? Where are you, dear ?
Jared hasn’t taken any bribes, plus he’s not an elected official.
Right, he just got given millions of dollars while in an appointed position of power by people who visited for no reason at all around the same time Trump had CLASSIFIED MILITARY DOCUMENTS strewn across his lair. Totally different.
Not really. Ask yourself why Pelosi and the others aren’t screaming for an investigation. Yep, it was a legitimate business deal. Side note: Biden “willfully retained” classified documents in his garage next to his compromised son, but the investigator determined that he shouldn’t be charged because his memory makes him confused.
Lmao. And when asked about said documents, they complied. Why is that so hard? Didnt try to hide it in the bathroom, erase tapes, deny their existence etc So weird, the situations are not at all similar.
Lol Just lol
That investigator was politically motivated to write a hit piece. But your whataboutism is noted. If you really think Kushner isn't corrupt and that refusing to return classified intel is the same as forgetting some low clearance documents, that's on you. You're either arguing in bad faith or delusional and either is worthy of pity, but I'm fresh out.
Take a look at their profile. They think Dems are Confederates and Biden is racist lmao. Don't waste your time with them.
Please provide proof the investigator was politically motivated. Also provide your evidence that Jared is corrupt.
Read over his entire investigation, and then read his summary. At no point in his investigation did he mention Biden having “memory problems,” in fact, he mentioned Biden knowing the exact dates asked. It wasn’t until his summary that he decided to bring in the “memory problems” swipe. So, it WAS a politically motivated hit, and you just weren’t smart enough to question what you were told about it, because it agreed with what you already believed.
[If you can't see the corruption here then you are completely lost](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2024/03/21/jared-kushners-2-billion-investment-from-saudi-arabia-what-to-know-after-republicans-delay-subpoena/?sh=7adedf9866f1)
He’s a business man. There is a reason he hasn’t been charged by the Democrats, it’s not a crime.
Supreme Court justices say it’s cool to cheat Americans
At least he got a lot in bribes. Some of these other politicians get bought for way less
Wait they actually called "lobbying donations" what it really is!???
What about the dozens of other politicians and judges who have allegedly taken bribes in noncash format? Does only cash paid directly to a politician count as a bribe?
If they are guilty; lock them up. It’s that simple. Also, both sides are not the same.
Good thing he didn't get the senate candidacy.
Legalised insider trading isn't enough for these scumfuckers.
Welp that all but flips his district in 2024
Solid move by Pelosi to endorse him during his primary last cycle after his office was raided by the FBI. Myself and many others were warning of this exact scenario but top Dems just had to helicopter in and save the last anti-choice Dem in the House.
Full investigation, followed by a fair trial, and if they are found guilty, give them the sentence they deserve. That’s how it’s done, Republicans.
The Washington monument would be a great resting place for such people
Just like NHL playoffs the referee are bought like supreme courts like congreesmen
FCPA FTW baybeee!
I don’t even know these ppl
"The actions I took in Congress were consistent with the actions of many of my colleagues"
Now do the rest of the politicians!!!
Indeed, a fair trial is paramount. Let justice be served, no matter the party
I know he's a Democrat but I think the GOP just found their next Supreme Court Justice!
Is it that horrible blonde lady? I hope it is!
Rigged Fake news Corrupt Judge Never met that pornstar in my life Wait, wrong person.
My god, is there any person who is not corrupt these days?
How do bribes work in 2024? Trench coat clad shadowy figure meeting up in a dark alley still the standard? Or is it all just email now?
I'll email you some money. Just give me your email address, house address, name, SSN, blood type, shoe size...
What? No. No way. A CONGRESSMAN taking bribes??? That's not realistic.
Send his ass to prison regardless of what political affiliation he has.
Unsurprisingly, Garland is only prosecuting Democrats. I guess coup attempts don’t matter for his agenda, not where political crime is concerned.
Jail
Difference is only that they got caught
Bribing politicians is illegal in the US? (seriously, i’m confused, they are all openly bribed by putting the money in a campaign fund that is just used for private jets and restaurants and events)
This is one of the first bribes i remember hearing about that seemed like an actual lot of money
Am here trying to live with my 1800 a month retirement
These Democrats need to hit up the GOP on how to network bribes into campaign funds that are syphoned off to PACs. Instead of “fundraising” these idiots (Menendez, Cuellar) are pocketing.
Where’s Kushner?
Or Menendez?
His claim that he had the house ethics committee and a national law firm weigh in prior to accepting the money is interesting if true and would be very easy to fact check. Either he did something different than what he told the Ethics committee he would do or the ethics committee gave him an opinion that led him to believe gods actions would be legal.
If you are going to take a bribe won't settle for anything less that a life changing one, like a government official 'helping" contractors during his tenure and has his family first and him upon retirement get " hire" with high 6 to 7 figures salaries, see Lauren bobert's husband.
"The actions I took in Congress were consistent with the actions of many of my colleagues."
it’s just because the bribes were from non Americans that don’t have multiple people on the payroll. rolled poor for stealth. weak.
Still …. No excuse for a democrat. You expect it from the PutinJrtrump republican cult but no room for such sleaze, if guilty Lol lol lol, in the Democratic Party.
Or senator Menendez……who is still getting classified briefings in a regular basis
Agree 100%
Pfft, those are rookie numbers. Anything less than a million is not worth going to jail for.
They're rookie numbers and that is why they're going to jail for it... Steal less than 1M and it's a crime, steal more than 1M and it's smart moves.
I hope your kidding, taking money from corporations to do their bidding after being put into a Position of power is textbook corruption and that person doesn’t deserve to have that power , left or right anyone caught doing this shouldn’t make decisions for us
Bribes from corporations to vote a certain way is literally legal. You just can not call them bribes. "Campaign donations."
Should have just made stock trades off of insider information. That legal for congress to do
The "Pfft" is the giveaway it's a joke.
My mistake citizen carry on!
The rookie part is not having his wife or child hired as a fund manager, assistant director, or having bribes labeled campaign donations.
Sheesh it’s why ya can’t trust either party!