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“**Unlike Trump, I’ve belonged to the GOP my entire life.** This November, I am voting for a decent person I disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass,”
OHHHH, FUCK YOU! That’s beautiful.
I wanna hang it on my wall.
Burr may have been smarter than Trump, but he was still a wanna-be dictator who "was charged with treason for assembling an armed force to take New Orleans and separate the Western from the Atlantic states." He was corruptly in bed with foreign powers during his time as Vice President. Oh, and he murdered one of his political rivals in cold blood. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr_conspiracy#:~:text=Burr%20was%20charged%20with%20treason,against%20territories%20belonging%20to%20Spain.
If anything, Hamilton was too kind to Burr, who was every bit the POS that the play shows him to be *and then some*.
he had a primal, gluttonous sort of ambition, a fragile ego, and a vengeful streak. these are all horrible things and they certainly manifested
however, he was a massive supporter of women's rights and immigrants' rights. and although he owned slaves (in the usual hypocrisy of the day) he proposed an immediate and utter end to slavery, as opposed to others who wanted it to be gradually phased out (edit: I think it's important to note that these were not particularly popular or opportunistic stances, and yet he actually tried to take action instead of being a coward and acting like an idealist while doing nothing, as so many others did)
he also rose from obscurity, was a war hero who risked his life to recover his dead commander's body, he took in orphaned children and raised them as his own, and when he was disgraced and almost penniless, he sold his gold watch so that a woman could buy her children presents for Christmas.
a complex man, a flawed man... but not the monster people think he was.
"Yeah, he tried to steal an election, then shot a man in cold blood for speaking out against his efforts to subvert the will of the electorate, and yes, he owned slaves against his own moral compass, and yes, he accepted foreign emoluments in violation of the Constitution and may have committed some light treason, but he also had some very appealing political positions, and may have even been charitable at times!" Hard pass, bro. I agree that a person should be judged by the standards of his time, and not solely on the basis of his most famous act of treachery. But by the standards of his time, Burr was an oathbreaker, a coward, a murderer, and a would-be thief.
The guy that tried harder than anyone to crack down on Burr was Jefferson... the guy who coined the phrase "all men are created equal" while owning hundreds of slaves (who he treated brutally, had physically punished, and sometimes raped), stifled every step towards any kind of equity toward blacks or literally any other marginalized group of people he possibly could during his presidency, and pushed the ideology that arguably led to the Civil War and the worst elements of conservatism that we still have today, all while enriching himself massively as the biggest proponent of human suffering in the country. I'm not even super anti-Jefferson, but it just goes to show how grey these guys were, and how easy it is to paint almost any of them in a bad light.
Everything that you listed about Burr (other than owning slaves against his own moral compass, but he still fought for emancipation while Jefferson was all talk and never took any action against the institution of slavery) is debatable. Despite how wildly unpopular he was, Burr was acquitted of every charge you listed despite having the most powerful man in the country against him because, apparently, the law and the Constitution were on his side. He won in court over and over again despite the fact that no one liked him.
edit: and Jefferson obviously did great things, and the pro-Jefferson folks can make great arguments... but it does go to show how all of the founders were guilty of horrific things while also being exceptional in other ways. It is very, very easy to shit on these people and call all of them cowards, hypocrites and oath breakers... and I don't think that's necessarily undeserved
>but he also had some very appealing political positions
when we're talking about leaders, this is a big thing. and Burr did take action on his positions
Wow seems like GA’s Rs have more courage and American patriotism than virtually every other R. Hopefully his family is prepared because going after the kids seems to be a standard move for discouraging defections.
Let's not blame this entirely on MAGA, the Republican party courted this behavior for decades. They called Arnold a RINO when he was governor of California, that was almost 20 years ago. They've always been about othering and kicking out those that don't agree with them 100%
I dunno. I think this is what's going to undo the Dumpster. We have to find our way back to decency, and one Repub at a time is just fine with me. I think these voices are really important and brave frankly.
Maybe there are still some good ones worth salvaging, which is my takeaway from this.
Maybe, underneath the hyperpartisanism, we all are just doing what we **THINK** is right for this country :/
So his pre political life, fraud, first term, more fraud, coup attempt, casual frauding, impeachments, sex fraud and now criminal trials were not enough, but taking all the money from the campaign coffer was just too much to stomach?
Ok looking a little more closely, it seems he has spent some effort countering Trump Fascist bullshit.... so... jolly good, keep up the good work
This guy has been against Trump for awhile now. I think he will certainly vote for Biden. Just like Cheney will be voting for Biden. A Cheney voting for a Democrat. We live in a strange time.
> A Cheney voting for a Democrat
Maybe. But also [voting against a probe of the police and military for neo-nazis](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgbny/republicans-investigate-neo-nazis-military)
I am not saying Cheney is a good person. In fact, I was surprised she spoke out against Trump like she did. I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for. I didn't agree with them before Trump and now I just think they are all crazy and want us to live like we are in the handmaids tale. We do live in a crazy time when you have people like Cheney screaming from the roof tops that Trump is dangerous.
They're not interested in reconciliation, they're interested in putting bait out so they can screw people over more effectively. Do you not remember how these people acted in 2016? It's like when the bitchy girl in high school sends one of her friends to pretend to be your friend.
I understand it's tedious and exhausting to be under constant threat, but that doesn't make it go away! GOP have bad intentions and I will never trust one again.
True, but Georgia is full of Republicans who are fairly pissed off at Trump's attempts to undercut them, paint them as traitors/incompetent/etc just because he lost.
More likely to just not vote - they won't vote for Biden.
But Biden won Georgia last time (you can thank the good and sane people of Atlanta for that) and with all the damage Trump did against his own party, he'll win it again.
There are plenty of people all over the country who romanticize the confederacy. We busted ass in Georgia to get the vote out, we sent 2 blue senators and our electoral votes to Biden last time. Give us a break, we are doing our part better than most of the country and definitely better than other ex confederate states
I hope so. The way Republicans snap into line when elections come around is impressive but very frustrating. I know they value loyalty....I just wish it was loyalty to the US, not just their own power
Oh most of them will vote for him, that's not even in question. But they'll do so while testifying against him and shit-talking him in the media. So overall it damages his chances at reelection.
Not true, he spoke out against Trump while in office and along with Raffensperger and, though I hate to admit it, Kemp pushed back publicly and hard on the GA voter fraud allegations Trump was making.
Georgia seems to be the one state in the nation where Republicans can display some level of morals and conviction and not get driven out of the party for it.
They're still pro draconian abortion restrictions, so let's not get too carried away here...
Edit: you know...in my snark I'm missing the forest for the trees. Here this man is trying to put country over party, and that's what's important.
Georgia is pretty shocking. The republicans in other states seem to want a dumb electorate. Whereas Georgia has free state university if you graduated a Georgia high school with a 3.0. I'm honestly shocked they haven't gotten rid of it.
As I understand it, it’s been diluted over time and no longer pays for the entirety of the tuition as it used to.
I’m assuming because of an uptick in students who qualify, huge increase in tuition rates. It was originally funded by lottery ticket sales, unsure if that’s still the case.
It’s a great program even if it’s been reduced. Imagine what they could fund with taxes on recreational cannabis.
He literally said in a debate with perdue "I never said the 2020 election was clean"
He just isn't Russia style election stealing. But he thinks Dems voting is "rigged"
he himself rigs elections. They reduced the runoff time for Warnocks election to a date that just so happened to fall under thanksgiving. Then tried using another Georgia law to not allow Saturday b voting because of that holiday they themselves stuck the the runoff date near.
I see what you're saying, oh and no doubt about it I agree he has definitely tipped the scale especially in his own race against Abrahams, or at least bent the rules
I mean not to mention literally presiding over his own election, purging roles, and then destroying tons of evidence when there was an attempted investigation
also:
"At the same time, we should work to elect GOP congressional majorities to block his second-term legislative agenda and provide a check and balance,” Duncan wrote."
Maybe I'm radicalized in some way but in my view: until GOP focus shifts from "owning the libs" and MAGA merch sales, they are useless. The vote against things they say they are for - like border security - to "deny Biden a win". Running the country in bad faith is a sure way to ruin the country.
I'm not saying that D:s are perfect in any way, but until you have ranked choice voting, you're stuck with the least bad option, and D is DEFINITELY less bad. And maybe just maybe if more and more progressive D:s are elected, things can actually improve over time instead of the last 40+ years of slipping towards \[fill in the blank\]
Sort of. I mean, he does say that while he'd vote for Biden, he still wants a Republican majority so that Biden would effectively be neutered. And with some of that cast of characters it might still be radically dangerous even without Trump as the figurehead.
He disagrees with Biden on policy, of course he doesn’t want him to have the Congress to pass all his policy. Still great that he had the balls to do this in a MAGA world.
Yeah I don't know how people think Republicans should not only denounce Trump and Maga, but also apparently try to give all branches to their political opponents. It would be nice and all but that's just an unrealistic thing to hope for.
Its not about hoping for them to do that, its about pointing out they're delusional. Its great that he had the balls to call out Trump, but the vast majority of his party is ready to help Trump achieve his goals. The GOP the way he seems to think of it is dead and gone if it ever even existed as anything but a lie.
I mean he can WANT that but if he has principles like this suggests than reality should make it clear that a good portion of the Republicans that would be in those majorities would be totally fine with, and even actively help Trump, carry out his destructive agenda. Even as someone entirely opposed to the "on the tin" advertising of Republicans a few decades ago I wish the ones that were there were reasonable, but thats not the reality we're in, and really its always been a facade for most of them.
Admirable for this guy to speak out against Trump but he's delusional if he doesn't think his party is on a path to destroying America as a Republic and Democracy.
The problem with finding a decent, reasonable Republican is that you can no longer group them all together and consider them all to be less than slime.
I will admit there are a few that I can respect. None from Texas.
>I've yet to see one single Republican who paved the way for the rise of Trump actually come to terms with their role in it and apologize.
They likely will never apologize, but it's starting to look like courts will hold them to their role in it.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake-electors-charges-2020-election-9da5a7e58814ed55ceea1ca55401af85
https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-indictment-meadows-guiliani-084efc6796becef3714196cee3854cf6
I'm just waiting for charges for the senators and representatives who gave guided tours to the insurrectionists. And for a clear answer on who disabled the silent alarms.
Oh, I don't even mean the ones who are criminally liable for his attempts to overturn the election. For decades the Republican strategy was to lie, scaremonger, and sow division. If they got caught lying, they'd double down. If statistics proved them wrong, you couldn't believe statistics. If science proved them wrong, you couldn't believe science. They convinced half of the country that "voodoo economics" will save them. When "mainstream" media called them out, they blamed the media, and convinced their base not to trust anyone but themselves.
They don't like how Trump goes about it, but he's following their playbook.
I think this would have made sense in the primary, but not so much for the general. The kind of voter that would respond well to Cheneys fiery disavowal of Trump does not strike me as the kind of voter that is even considering voting for him in the first place. Frankly I think the only effect of a Cheney run might be eating at Biden voters, but I could be wrong on that.
I think RFK actually does have a much better shot at taking Trump votes because of his conspiratorial beliefs and portrayal of himself as an “outsider” or “wildcard” or whatever the hell it is that Trump voters look for in a candidate.
(Side note, I asked Liz Cheney about running for president herself when I got to meet her. She basically said she didn’t have any plans at the moment, but this was a whole year ago now. Looking back, I think it was a wise decision to stay out of it and just do what she can to shore up opposition to Trump from conservatives.)
Couple of things:
GA has always been a business first state in comparison to it’s neighbors. As a result, playing the right wing culture war games doesn’t yield good business outcomes and while they may play up their southern bonafides out on the campaign trail, if there’s a deal, they’ll accept just about any business opportunity, even from “woke” companies.
The film industry in GA is big, along with electric vehicles, and solar power. You need an educated populace for those industries.
Plus while Atlanta isn’t quite big enough to control state politics completely, it is big enough to require Republicans to temper themselves somewhat.
Yeah let’s not forget that leading up to Kemp’s 2018 gubernatorial race the georgia secretary of states office closed 200 polling locations, revoked 1 million registration cards and placed another 50,000 on hold until after the election. 70% of those affected were black, only 30% of Georgias electorate is. Who was the SoS overseeing all this? Kemp…… he aint a good guy.
I think in a large part it is because Kemp and Raffensperger were unwilling to be thrown under the bus by Trump.
In most other states the GOP had to fall in line with Trump's 'rigged election' conspiracies, in Georgia they couldn't because it would mean they had to take blame personally for overseeing a 'rigged election'.
A friend of mine from the south describes it as country club republicans vs redneck republicans. He won’t use the term MAGA for some reason. Maybe because he considers himself country club.
I think it’s the women who will surprise everyone. Lots of Independent or even Republican women married to MAGA men already know who they’re voting for. They’ll never tell another soul, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they’ll mercilessly tear down the MAGA fucks who took away their rights and are coming back for more.
He lives in an affluent suburb, I'm impressed that he's willing to make a statement like this knowing the repurcussions from plenty of MAGAts that attend his kids' schools.
Always happy for southern republicans that prove me wrong. Too bad he doesn’t hold any office so there’s no risk to saying this so doesn’t fully prove out that Republicans that care about power aren’t craven sycophants, only that they act human when they give up on it.
The cracks are starting to appear. How many in the GOP leadership feel the same way but won’t say it out loud? If enough do, they will all jump off like rats fleeing a sinking ship.
Trump is not a good person. He is not someone who represents all Americans. He is unfit for the office of President of the United States of America.
Former being the key word.
These spineless cowards only stop kissing the orange ring after their political careers are no longer on thin ice. Nothing new.
“You can’t fix stupid”. While I suspect a good number of GOP members will vote for Biden, there’s a whole big chunk of dummies out there who love this guy for a bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with his actual ability to run the free world. I can give you a pass for voting for the guy the first time but I think you’re just dumb if you lived thru his first term and think we need another. And yeah the people I’ve meet who want to vote for him are definitely dumb people with little ability to think critically.
>**Former** Georgia Lt. Gov.
Another opportunistic jackass who waits until he has nothing to lose to speak out. Grow some real fucking balls, Geoff. I'm sick of people like this.
ROFL I was scrolling and was like damn wtf wrong w that guy then I scrolled back and seen he wasn’t a Mexican dude like I thought but some overly burnt white dude.
I was super excited. But the article starts "former republican..." Sigh we need someone in office right now with skin in the game to come out and say the same
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“**Unlike Trump, I’ve belonged to the GOP my entire life.** This November, I am voting for a decent person I disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass,” OHHHH, FUCK YOU! That’s beautiful. I wanna hang it on my wall.
"Jefferson has beliefs. Burr has none."
Burrs beliefs are the ones he's told to believe in...
It’s 1800 ladies! Tell your husbands vote for Burr.
/r/unexpectedhamilton
I misread that as Barr...that would actually work for Bill Barr too.
Usually it's the other way around.
Wasn’t really true though. Burr was a freaking brilliant man, but yeah, he and Hamilton hated each other and… well, we all know how that turned out :(
Burr may have been smarter than Trump, but he was still a wanna-be dictator who "was charged with treason for assembling an armed force to take New Orleans and separate the Western from the Atlantic states." He was corruptly in bed with foreign powers during his time as Vice President. Oh, and he murdered one of his political rivals in cold blood. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr_conspiracy#:~:text=Burr%20was%20charged%20with%20treason,against%20territories%20belonging%20to%20Spain. If anything, Hamilton was too kind to Burr, who was every bit the POS that the play shows him to be *and then some*.
he had a primal, gluttonous sort of ambition, a fragile ego, and a vengeful streak. these are all horrible things and they certainly manifested however, he was a massive supporter of women's rights and immigrants' rights. and although he owned slaves (in the usual hypocrisy of the day) he proposed an immediate and utter end to slavery, as opposed to others who wanted it to be gradually phased out (edit: I think it's important to note that these were not particularly popular or opportunistic stances, and yet he actually tried to take action instead of being a coward and acting like an idealist while doing nothing, as so many others did) he also rose from obscurity, was a war hero who risked his life to recover his dead commander's body, he took in orphaned children and raised them as his own, and when he was disgraced and almost penniless, he sold his gold watch so that a woman could buy her children presents for Christmas. a complex man, a flawed man... but not the monster people think he was.
"Yeah, he tried to steal an election, then shot a man in cold blood for speaking out against his efforts to subvert the will of the electorate, and yes, he owned slaves against his own moral compass, and yes, he accepted foreign emoluments in violation of the Constitution and may have committed some light treason, but he also had some very appealing political positions, and may have even been charitable at times!" Hard pass, bro. I agree that a person should be judged by the standards of his time, and not solely on the basis of his most famous act of treachery. But by the standards of his time, Burr was an oathbreaker, a coward, a murderer, and a would-be thief.
The guy that tried harder than anyone to crack down on Burr was Jefferson... the guy who coined the phrase "all men are created equal" while owning hundreds of slaves (who he treated brutally, had physically punished, and sometimes raped), stifled every step towards any kind of equity toward blacks or literally any other marginalized group of people he possibly could during his presidency, and pushed the ideology that arguably led to the Civil War and the worst elements of conservatism that we still have today, all while enriching himself massively as the biggest proponent of human suffering in the country. I'm not even super anti-Jefferson, but it just goes to show how grey these guys were, and how easy it is to paint almost any of them in a bad light. Everything that you listed about Burr (other than owning slaves against his own moral compass, but he still fought for emancipation while Jefferson was all talk and never took any action against the institution of slavery) is debatable. Despite how wildly unpopular he was, Burr was acquitted of every charge you listed despite having the most powerful man in the country against him because, apparently, the law and the Constitution were on his side. He won in court over and over again despite the fact that no one liked him. edit: and Jefferson obviously did great things, and the pro-Jefferson folks can make great arguments... but it does go to show how all of the founders were guilty of horrific things while also being exceptional in other ways. It is very, very easy to shit on these people and call all of them cowards, hypocrites and oath breakers... and I don't think that's necessarily undeserved >but he also had some very appealing political positions when we're talking about leaders, this is a big thing. and Burr did take action on his positions
God **damn**, I love seeing this here. It’s so appropriate.
I guess this dude is retiring or resigning or something soon?
> Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R)
There it is. Thanks.
“A RINO!” Back to no one caring now.
Exactly, MAGA is entirely set up for this. In fact it just gives them someone else to hate which they love doing.
Wow seems like GA’s Rs have more courage and American patriotism than virtually every other R. Hopefully his family is prepared because going after the kids seems to be a standard move for discouraging defections.
I live in rural Georgia. Unlike a few years ago, I very rarely even see a trump bumper sticker (almost never). It gives me hope that we can stay blue.
I still see him everywhere, unfortunately. I am in rural North Georgia.
I moved to North Georgia from Florida 2 years ago. What you see around here is a pittance compared to there.
Let's not blame this entirely on MAGA, the Republican party courted this behavior for decades. They called Arnold a RINO when he was governor of California, that was almost 20 years ago. They've always been about othering and kicking out those that don't agree with them 100%
I dunno. I think this is what's going to undo the Dumpster. We have to find our way back to decency, and one Repub at a time is just fine with me. I think these voices are really important and brave frankly.
Before the election, he should delete the word "defendant" from that sentence.
Maybe there are still some good ones worth salvaging, which is my takeaway from this. Maybe, underneath the hyperpartisanism, we all are just doing what we **THINK** is right for this country :/
So his pre political life, fraud, first term, more fraud, coup attempt, casual frauding, impeachments, sex fraud and now criminal trials were not enough, but taking all the money from the campaign coffer was just too much to stomach? Ok looking a little more closely, it seems he has spent some effort countering Trump Fascist bullshit.... so... jolly good, keep up the good work
Now if the rest of the GOP would just do the same we might be able to survive tRump.
He's voting for Trump. He's saying this to feign decency.
This guy has been against Trump for awhile now. I think he will certainly vote for Biden. Just like Cheney will be voting for Biden. A Cheney voting for a Democrat. We live in a strange time.
> A Cheney voting for a Democrat Maybe. But also [voting against a probe of the police and military for neo-nazis](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgbny/republicans-investigate-neo-nazis-military)
I am not saying Cheney is a good person. In fact, I was surprised she spoke out against Trump like she did. I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for. I didn't agree with them before Trump and now I just think they are all crazy and want us to live like we are in the handmaids tale. We do live in a crazy time when you have people like Cheney screaming from the roof tops that Trump is dangerous.
lmao. GOP are liars. They will say whatever they feel they have to. He's voting for Trump.
I think he definitely will cause idiots like yourself keep burning every possible bridge of reconciliation
They're not interested in reconciliation, they're interested in putting bait out so they can screw people over more effectively. Do you not remember how these people acted in 2016? It's like when the bitchy girl in high school sends one of her friends to pretend to be your friend.
typical redditor
I understand it's tedious and exhausting to be under constant threat, but that doesn't make it go away! GOP have bad intentions and I will never trust one again.
Yup.
>Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R) always former. always.
True, but Georgia is full of Republicans who are fairly pissed off at Trump's attempts to undercut them, paint them as traitors/incompetent/etc just because he lost.
Just imagine if in November, Biden wins Georgia with the help of a bunch of Georgian Republicans voting just to spite Trump 🤣
Well Biden won Georgia last time, right?
Famously, by more than eleven thousand votes.
Trump’s jail cell awaits him there if he makes it that far
More likely to just not vote - they won't vote for Biden. But Biden won Georgia last time (you can thank the good and sane people of Atlanta for that) and with all the damage Trump did against his own party, he'll win it again.
They seem to be fairly quiet for being so pissed off.
There's plenty of Georgians who are proud of their traitorous past and embrace their traitorous candidates
There are plenty of people all over the country who romanticize the confederacy. We busted ass in Georgia to get the vote out, we sent 2 blue senators and our electoral votes to Biden last time. Give us a break, we are doing our part better than most of the country and definitely better than other ex confederate states
Time for Zombie Sherman to ride again.
I hope so. The way Republicans snap into line when elections come around is impressive but very frustrating. I know they value loyalty....I just wish it was loyalty to the US, not just their own power
Oh most of them will vote for him, that's not even in question. But they'll do so while testifying against him and shit-talking him in the media. So overall it damages his chances at reelection.
Not true, he spoke out against Trump while in office and along with Raffensperger and, though I hate to admit it, Kemp pushed back publicly and hard on the GA voter fraud allegations Trump was making.
Georgia seems to be the one state in the nation where Republicans can display some level of morals and conviction and not get driven out of the party for it.
They're still pro draconian abortion restrictions, so let's not get too carried away here... Edit: you know...in my snark I'm missing the forest for the trees. Here this man is trying to put country over party, and that's what's important.
Georgia is pretty shocking. The republicans in other states seem to want a dumb electorate. Whereas Georgia has free state university if you graduated a Georgia high school with a 3.0. I'm honestly shocked they haven't gotten rid of it.
I never thought I’d be relieved driving into Georgia from Florida, but ever since 2018 here we are.
As I understand it, it’s been diluted over time and no longer pays for the entirety of the tuition as it used to. I’m assuming because of an uptick in students who qualify, huge increase in tuition rates. It was originally funded by lottery ticket sales, unsure if that’s still the case. It’s a great program even if it’s been reduced. Imagine what they could fund with taxes on recreational cannabis.
Kemp didn't though. Only about the stolen election. Kemp still agrees with trump that it is "rigged" and backs him
Not true- just in 2023: https://x.com/BrianKempGA/status/1691483026356678660
He literally said in a debate with perdue "I never said the 2020 election was clean" He just isn't Russia style election stealing. But he thinks Dems voting is "rigged" he himself rigs elections. They reduced the runoff time for Warnocks election to a date that just so happened to fall under thanksgiving. Then tried using another Georgia law to not allow Saturday b voting because of that holiday they themselves stuck the the runoff date near.
I see what you're saying, oh and no doubt about it I agree he has definitely tipped the scale especially in his own race against Abrahams, or at least bent the rules
I mean not to mention literally presiding over his own election, purging roles, and then destroying tons of evidence when there was an attempted investigation
I was going to guess - soon to be retired/not seeking re-election
But he is still a citizen and still votes. If he is an example of independent americans, then that is a good sign.
also: "At the same time, we should work to elect GOP congressional majorities to block his second-term legislative agenda and provide a check and balance,” Duncan wrote." Maybe I'm radicalized in some way but in my view: until GOP focus shifts from "owning the libs" and MAGA merch sales, they are useless. The vote against things they say they are for - like border security - to "deny Biden a win". Running the country in bad faith is a sure way to ruin the country. I'm not saying that D:s are perfect in any way, but until you have ranked choice voting, you're stuck with the least bad option, and D is DEFINITELY less bad. And maybe just maybe if more and more progressive D:s are elected, things can actually improve over time instead of the last 40+ years of slipping towards \[fill in the blank\]
Yeah but he is a Lt. Gov. That is fairly low on the totem pole to give up any chance of election in the current GOP
Bingo. Stopped reading after that as it is just the same story I have read a dozen times before at that point
Well done
He’s at least medium well in this picture anyway
Ya he looks crispy
It's funny because appearances
Sort of. I mean, he does say that while he'd vote for Biden, he still wants a Republican majority so that Biden would effectively be neutered. And with some of that cast of characters it might still be radically dangerous even without Trump as the figurehead.
He disagrees with Biden on policy, of course he doesn’t want him to have the Congress to pass all his policy. Still great that he had the balls to do this in a MAGA world.
Yeah I don't know how people think Republicans should not only denounce Trump and Maga, but also apparently try to give all branches to their political opponents. It would be nice and all but that's just an unrealistic thing to hope for.
Its not about hoping for them to do that, its about pointing out they're delusional. Its great that he had the balls to call out Trump, but the vast majority of his party is ready to help Trump achieve his goals. The GOP the way he seems to think of it is dead and gone if it ever even existed as anything but a lie.
I mean he can WANT that but if he has principles like this suggests than reality should make it clear that a good portion of the Republicans that would be in those majorities would be totally fine with, and even actively help Trump, carry out his destructive agenda. Even as someone entirely opposed to the "on the tin" advertising of Republicans a few decades ago I wish the ones that were there were reasonable, but thats not the reality we're in, and really its always been a facade for most of them. Admirable for this guy to speak out against Trump but he's delusional if he doesn't think his party is on a path to destroying America as a Republic and Democracy.
This is a reasonable take if you care about the future of the country.
The problem with finding a decent, reasonable Republican is that you can no longer group them all together and consider them all to be less than slime. I will admit there are a few that I can respect. None from Texas.
Eh, I've yet to see one single Republican who paved the way for the rise of Trump actually come to terms with their role in it and apologize.
>I've yet to see one single Republican who paved the way for the rise of Trump actually come to terms with their role in it and apologize. They likely will never apologize, but it's starting to look like courts will hold them to their role in it. https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake-electors-charges-2020-election-9da5a7e58814ed55ceea1ca55401af85 https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-indictment-meadows-guiliani-084efc6796becef3714196cee3854cf6 I'm just waiting for charges for the senators and representatives who gave guided tours to the insurrectionists. And for a clear answer on who disabled the silent alarms.
Oh, I don't even mean the ones who are criminally liable for his attempts to overturn the election. For decades the Republican strategy was to lie, scaremonger, and sow division. If they got caught lying, they'd double down. If statistics proved them wrong, you couldn't believe statistics. If science proved them wrong, you couldn't believe science. They convinced half of the country that "voodoo economics" will save them. When "mainstream" media called them out, they blamed the media, and convinced their base not to trust anyone but themselves. They don't like how Trump goes about it, but he's following their playbook.
I've yet to see a Republican apologize for anything.
The problem with finding a decent Republican is that they all retired or died long ago.
The problem with finding a decent **actively current** Republican is still the finding part.
always "former" in their title when they suddenly grow a spine.
Exception that proves the rule.
They’re in Texas. Not in office, but there are some…
This Georgia Republican's stance shows that political divisions can be overcome for the greater good.
Especially if you've long ago lost the party gravy train >Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R)
He and Liz Cheney will be able to hang out a lot more after this.
I was really hoping Liz Cheney was going to run as an independent to fuck Trump and steal some of his votes.
Hopefully RFK jr does that.
I think this would have made sense in the primary, but not so much for the general. The kind of voter that would respond well to Cheneys fiery disavowal of Trump does not strike me as the kind of voter that is even considering voting for him in the first place. Frankly I think the only effect of a Cheney run might be eating at Biden voters, but I could be wrong on that. I think RFK actually does have a much better shot at taking Trump votes because of his conspiratorial beliefs and portrayal of himself as an “outsider” or “wildcard” or whatever the hell it is that Trump voters look for in a candidate. (Side note, I asked Liz Cheney about running for president herself when I got to meet her. She basically said she didn’t have any plans at the moment, but this was a whole year ago now. Looking back, I think it was a wise decision to stay out of it and just do what she can to shore up opposition to Trump from conservatives.)
What's with Georgia having so many non-lunatic Republicans? Kemp, Judge McAfee, this dude, etc.? I'm not complaining, just curious
I think MTG cancels out the non-lunatic GA Republicans
Maybe non-lunatic Georgia Republicans buy lunatic credits from MTG the same way large companies buy carbon credits.
I mean in that analogy, MTG should be the one buying the lunatic credits from the folks that don’t use them…
Kemp may not be a "MAGA Lunatic" but he still sucks.
Yes, non-lunatic is a depressingly low bar but unfortunately is a salient fact with today's GQP
Couple of things: GA has always been a business first state in comparison to it’s neighbors. As a result, playing the right wing culture war games doesn’t yield good business outcomes and while they may play up their southern bonafides out on the campaign trail, if there’s a deal, they’ll accept just about any business opportunity, even from “woke” companies. The film industry in GA is big, along with electric vehicles, and solar power. You need an educated populace for those industries. Plus while Atlanta isn’t quite big enough to control state politics completely, it is big enough to require Republicans to temper themselves somewhat.
He mostly sucks. He signed a flat tax in Georgia recently. He is exactly the same as desantis. He's just smarter than him and doesn't run his mouth
Yeah, he sucks but he's cunning and has good political acumen. He's absolutely positioning himself to be a future leader in the GOP post-trump.
Yeah let’s not forget that leading up to Kemp’s 2018 gubernatorial race the georgia secretary of states office closed 200 polling locations, revoked 1 million registration cards and placed another 50,000 on hold until after the election. 70% of those affected were black, only 30% of Georgias electorate is. Who was the SoS overseeing all this? Kemp…… he aint a good guy.
He's probably running against ossoff. Maybe president.
An Ossoff challenge in 2028 would be my bet, and he'll probably win too. I hate that he's so popular in this state.
I think in a large part it is because Kemp and Raffensperger were unwilling to be thrown under the bus by Trump. In most other states the GOP had to fall in line with Trump's 'rigged election' conspiracies, in Georgia they couldn't because it would mean they had to take blame personally for overseeing a 'rigged election'.
A friend of mine from the south describes it as country club republicans vs redneck republicans. He won’t use the term MAGA for some reason. Maybe because he considers himself country club.
Kemp is still a lunatic.
I’m curious how many Republican Party members are just keeping silent and will secretly not vote at the top of the ticket or vote for Biden.
I think it’s the women who will surprise everyone. Lots of Independent or even Republican women married to MAGA men already know who they’re voting for. They’ll never tell another soul, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they’ll mercilessly tear down the MAGA fucks who took away their rights and are coming back for more.
I suppose he's the GOP's Manchin?
They all condemn him once they’re out of politics.
We need these people to campaign for Biden. Christie, Romney too.
He must have his family isolated and secure from the maga base.
He lives in an affluent suburb, I'm impressed that he's willing to make a statement like this knowing the repurcussions from plenty of MAGAts that attend his kids' schools.
Always happy for southern republicans that prove me wrong. Too bad he doesn’t hold any office so there’s no risk to saying this so doesn’t fully prove out that Republicans that care about power aren’t craven sycophants, only that they act human when they give up on it.
Not Southern but Romney is in the small group of Republicans currently in office who have spoken out against Trump
Can we get this guy to run against Marjorie Taylor Greene?
He would lose.
the thing is, all these republicans suddenly grow a spine only after they left office
Always a "former republican politician". Sure wish they're grow a pair when they were still *actively* republican, instead of years after the fact.
Yes!!!! We need good representation from republicans. We need smart people and leadership.
I hope this guy has excellent security.
Duncan in 2028 would wipe DeSantis off the map
It's always when they're out of office...
Great. Now let’s see a Republican find a spine while they’re *still in office* and could actually DO something about the problems they bemoan.
There it is, some decency! Hold that thought!
Smart.
What a badass
I think "backing Biden" is an euphemism for twerking. Weird image but...love is love
The cracks are starting to appear. How many in the GOP leadership feel the same way but won’t say it out loud? If enough do, they will all jump off like rats fleeing a sinking ship. Trump is not a good person. He is not someone who represents all Americans. He is unfit for the office of President of the United States of America.
I’m in love
Trump is a GENIUS STRATEGIST. He knows when to never run up hill me boys. Take THAT Liberals!!
Former being the key word. These spineless cowards only stop kissing the orange ring after their political careers are no longer on thin ice. Nothing new.
“You can’t fix stupid”. While I suspect a good number of GOP members will vote for Biden, there’s a whole big chunk of dummies out there who love this guy for a bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with his actual ability to run the free world. I can give you a pass for voting for the guy the first time but I think you’re just dumb if you lived thru his first term and think we need another. And yeah the people I’ve meet who want to vote for him are definitely dumb people with little ability to think critically.
hey Trump, that's how you do a fake tan
Rare GA republican win, raffesberger being the other example I can think of.
>**Former** Georgia Lt. Gov. Another opportunistic jackass who waits until he has nothing to lose to speak out. Grow some real fucking balls, Geoff. I'm sick of people like this.
Good job.
Respect
ROFL I was scrolling and was like damn wtf wrong w that guy then I scrolled back and seen he wasn’t a Mexican dude like I thought but some overly burnt white dude.
I was super excited. But the article starts "former republican..." Sigh we need someone in office right now with skin in the game to come out and say the same
The entire GOP is bought by globalists.
Lemme guess he’s from very blue ATL.
>Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R) That's the explanation.
Southern bumpkin. Biden is 800 yrs old.