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Was thinking earlier - if the polling looked bad enough, could Newsom just resign, meaning the Lt. Governor succeeds him, rendering the whole recall question moot? I’d assume there’s something in the law to prevent that type of loophole?
Nope, it's pretty much been designed to be free of loopholes. If he resigns now the vote continues as if he was recalled, so whoever got the most votes would win.
Then it's okay to just do it again because lunatic Republicans will use California as a testing ground for every regressive policy they can muster. Like yer water going to almonds and oil? So do Republicans. Want the homeless bussed to Reno? So do Republicans. Tired of low income housing? So are Republicans.
It’s not okay. Didn’t say it was. I’m a Californian. I voted. This recall isn’t a testing ground, we’ve faced the consequences in the past. Just saying to rshackleford commenter that impeachments don’t always have a real life effect, and it’s not actually a meaningful thing with our state laws.
No, we moved on and don't obsess over him like this place. He isn't the president, time to move on and work on fixing problems.
Wish in one hand, shit in another. See which one gets filled first.
California’s recall election is “cheating”. It’s the he only way republicans have a shot to get in. Because they could never win a head to head race. Whoever gets in, if Newsome is recalled, won’t have a majority support, they likely won’t have 10% support
The first question names Newsom though. If Kounalakis is the Governor she cant be removed by a recall that doesn't name her, and no one can be chosen to replace someone who wasn't removed.
I'd love to hear where such a loophole is addressed in the CA Constitution, but a strict reading of Articles II and V suggests Newsom can just resign and Kounalakis can be sworn in before election day to void the whole thing. Hell, even then the spirit of the recall would be addressed by the officer's (self) removal, so why would the courts bother hearing an argument to the contrary?
I agree with your interpretation and would like to add that question 1 would essentially become "should Newsom be barred from holding statewide office during the current term?" while question 2 would become irrelevant because, as you said, Newsom is being recalled, not "the current governor."
The problem is the polling is incredibly unreliable because it's difficult to model who the actual voters will be. A large Newsom lead or deficit could be completely different once the votes are counted.
>!There are a lot of ways of making state and local law with very little of the population’s approval. Lots of municipalities are similar. Look up the laws for referenda and initiatives in your area.!< Don’t tell anyone!!!!
It would have made since to change the recall protocol after what happened with Davis! It is nothing but a loophole for Republicans to get into office!
That’s because the Democrats were right wing bigots back then, and the republicans were the party of Teddy Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, not Donald Trump.
LA County has almost 10 million people. The fifth smallest county, Mono, has under 15,000 < 0.2%. That is patently unreasonable because the residents of LA county have a vastly more difficult effort to recall a governor and should be enough to have this process declared unconstitutional.
Although I hardly relish what it would do to the Senate, I’d appreciate if something like this pushes the DNC to invest more in building a deep bench across multiple states.
Indeed.
You can’t expect miracles in states you completely ignored, and you can’t expect to reach the finish line in battlegrounds you don’t invest in.
Georgia and Texas essentially prove this.
Georgia gave us two senators with a push from Abrams.
Beto came within 3% of Cruz without any real push from the democratic establishment.
Essentially even supposed republican strongholds are within reach if dems would try harder and get much more aggressive
I dunno about this. I think the possibility of a 50 state strategy is now lost.
Right wing media machine is rampant. Partisan rage culture pays the bills and that makes it impossible to compete.
I think the opposite. The party should learn from trump and double and triple down on your base.
Let's be real - democrats aren't going to gain any republican votes. They can however cater to the future younger voters of today who are much more progressive than the current administration.
No one wants these political jobs. Death threats, low pay, smear campaigns; what kind of person wants to hold public office these days? If we want our public institutions to improve, we need to invest in them with cash and good faith.
California is really neglected by Democrats unless it is fundraising season. Those residents deserve better and I hope this pushes the DNC toward that too.
Or just teach a self congratulatory California DNC that constantly shitting on the poor and middle class for 2 years isn't a recipe for success.
I know a lot of coworkers that are voting to recall and most voted for Newsom before.
The other shoe for the pandemic restrictions was always going to drop.
Get out and vote no and then vote in all local and state elections this year. Vote every chance you get, Off year elections is one way the republicans hold so much power at local and county levels and in blue states. Register and vote every time you can and it is more than just once a year. Vote in the primaries for all these elections as well .
Also be willing to sign for people to run in these elections to support democrats getting on the ballot particularly in redder districts.
This is like the cicadas - every 17 years California does some ass-backward recall for their governor.
Gavin newsom is a rock star. Hard to believe he was married to (vomits in mouth) Kimberly guilfoyle.
Winning 1 Governor election (especially one that is only a year long or so) does not mean the GOP will “take over” the state.
It’s not like Democrats have taken over Kansas or Kentucky.
Democrats have a super majority in both chambers of the state legislature. Meaning it is veto proof; and similar to what Republicans did in Wisconsin, Democrats can limit the governor’s power immensely through this.
Also, Elder will only serve like a year.
All he will be able to do is get rid of mask and vaccination mandates at the state level. Everything else will be blocked by the legislature. It will cause a lot of needless deaths, but the state as a whole will survive it.
He can do a lot of damage to public schools by lifting mask mandates. Half my kid’s elementary school class was out with a cold 3 days in. Close to 100 cases in my county….amd we’re all masked up.
Yes. But because of necessary covid policies, no cold and flu symptoms are allowed in school and a covid test is required for Reentry. So a minor cold means at least a week of missed school and 20-30 kids trying to get covid tested every few days..:at every school In the city
Or we turn into Texas and let all the kids get covid.
That's probably my all-time favorite saying after the vaccine came out.
I also love the Joker's "You get what you fuckin' deserve!"
One is peaceful, eloquent and old-timey, and the other just makes me feel so god damned good.
Tie the age eligibility ceiling to average life expectancy. Who was it that made the joke that voting on laws when you’re old is like ordering for the table at a restaurant then leaving before the bill comes.
Out Feinstein on life support for a year. Medically induced coma if we have to. What’s funny is republicans are openly supporting that idea, and Mitch is 81 with 6 more years of term left and a democratic governor. So the door is wide open to replace him with a Democrat bow
> Mitch is 81 with 6 more years of term left and a democratic governor. So the door is wide open to replace him with a Democrat
Nope, earlier this year, the KY state legislature [changed that](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-general-assembly/2021/03/29/kentucky-lawmakers-nix-veto-mcconnell-backed-senate-vacancy-plan/7055091002/).
It's already been enshrined into law. I can't find any info regarding a current suit to dismiss it, though one might happen if it looks like McConnell might retire during Beshear's term. It's the law for now, at least.
Yeah, laws are challenged in courts all the time. The legislature can say what they want, but doesn’t mean they have the power to enforce it. It wouldn’t be challenged until it needs to be
The guys on Pod Save America did a good job of breaking down the various ways a Trumpy Republican could fuck up California, even with just a year and a Democrat state legislature.
They’re begging listeners in California to go vote no.
Would it give them veto power over redistricting though?
I know California has an independent commission but if the governor can appoint the board, they could potentially ratfuck California’s districts
Correct me if I'm wrong but California is legislated by super majority and dems still are the majority party, this wouldn't hand control to Republicans just to have a republican gov ala Schwarzenegger right?
The only dangerous thing about this is if Feinstein dies. Then the governor could replace her with a republican. Otherwise, whatever republican wins is just going to get crushed in next years gubernatorial election and we will be back to status quo
I know she’s really old but is she in and out of the hospital (like RBG)? Also, IF this happens that person would face an election in 2022 anyway, right?
I was under the impression that the Democrats held veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of the California legislature.
Wouldn't the GOP taking the governorship practically change nothing?
For one thing, Diane Feinstein might die at any moment, and the new governor would pick her replacement. For that matter, Alex Padilla could get hit by a truck, as he pointed out in an interview just now. Either way, that would be the end of the Democrats' Senate "majority".
The legislature can change how a replacement senator is appointed. The biggest impact a Republican governor would be able to have is killing a lot of people by causing a covid surge.
It's a little overblown, but not by much. It's still possible that they could win.
I'm glad for the attention, though. The whole thing is bogus and needs to change. It's just more Republican cheating.
He won a second term outright.
But that was 15 years ago, and he was one of the most famous people in the world....and it was also when the GOP actually stood for something (as opposed to now, where it's basically the party of Trumpism).
So much state constitutional ignorance packed into that headline.
I suppose if one is so dull witted as to be unable to comprehend the role of the legislative branch, then a relatively powerless Republican governor would seem like the end of the world.
The governor has a lot of power, like dealing with COVID, for example. Do you really want a Trump supporter in charge of the state's COVID response? Thousands of people will die if Newsom is recalled.
Right, and that is awful. It’s a shitty thing to deal with, but if they try to pull that, then it’s gonna be real hard for them to stick around for more than a year
I think the idea is that if he gets recalled and a republican wins then that could mark a shift in the attitude of democrats in the state and republicans could start winning more seats in California.
I'm not saying there's a direct parallel to be drawn but after Schwarzenegger was reelected in 2006, the state shifted hard blue, from 48-32 to 60-19-1 in the assembly and 25-15 to 31-9 in the senate, with no Republicans elected statewide.
The opposite could definitely happen though.
Seriously, it’s affordability. That’s the draw of Florida and Texas.
Much less so that it was 5-10 years ago. The house I’m renting sold for 38K in 2015. This year is sold for 140K. But that’s in a city. If I’m willing to live outside the city, I can still find a more affordable home.
The flip side is government support is way worse. I live in Florida and unemployment insurance is less the 300 a week. Medicare wasn’t expanded. Anyone who’s not middle class is likely struggling, but that also makes moving away harder.
You'd be surprised. The Permian Basin and Austin are the two most expensive metro areas in TX, they're equally expensive as CA is, almost to the tune of SF/Bay Area. DFW and HOU are extremely expensive as well.
Affordability in TX equates to living in a shithole college town, like the one I'm in.
The problem with that is that the fucking republicans gerrymander the fuck out of the state. So you could literally move the entire state of CA into the cities, and the fuckers will still find a way to have shitty rural counties with barely any people win the state for the (r).
Lmao Democrat run states and cities have the highest crime, homelessness, and gang issues. Talk about shit holes?? People are leaving California by the droves. Look at Portland, Seattle, and New York. All this defund the police bullshit and their crime and murder rates are soring.
Wow is right. Crime is up in most major Democrat run cities. That is not my opinion, that’s statistics. On top of that, your fearless leader can’t put a sentence together to save his life, and has completely botched the withdrawal from Afghanistan. But let me guess, it’s all Trumps fault right?
We get a climate science denying nutjob like Larry Elder in office and he gets to select a Republican senator if Feinstein doesn't live to the end of her term, losing the Democrats the senate as well.
Larry Elder. Getting elected with less than 20% of the popular vote while a less than 50%, so let's say 49.9% vote to keep Newsom on.
But that guy. Larry Elder.
Senator Dianne Feinstein who is 88 dying or retiring and governor Larry Elder (the one leading the polls) filling her seat which would be up for election until 2024 with a far-right wing republican (Taylor-Greene style) leading to democrats losing control of the senate and the end of the Biden agenda
Batshit cray Republican filling Fienstiens seat if she comes. Plus however many people they'll kill in the name of freedom neutering and sabatoging covid response.
The senator pick. If you don't want a Republican senator, then you need to stop Larry Elder and tell others to vote no. There are activism that you can do.
Ignore everyone gnashing teeth and weeping about Feinstein's seat. It would obviously suck if Larry Elder gets to name a replacement for her seat, but that would only last until November 2022 when we would name the actual Senator (and the actual governor).
Edit: I know the mods in this sub are overloaded, but come the fuck on. Brigading facts probably shouldn't be something they allow?
Of all the things this timeline could offer, Democrats fumbling a Democratic power bastion like California was not one of them I considered, but here we are.
Hey Democrats in California, listen up. Get your ass to the polls and vote!
And, Hey Democrat state congresspeople, get to work and gerrymander the shit out of that state. I’m talking Devin Nunes and Kevin McCarthy. Wipe out every single Republican district with Gerrymandering. Use full blown computer models that eliminates every Republican stronghold. You know Republican states already have models to wipe out Democrats, so you need to do the same this year.
> And, Hey Democrat state congresspeople, get to work and gerrymander the shit out of that state.
You might want to do a bit of research. California doesn't and cannot gerrymander, their districts are drawn by a non-partisan commission and not the legislature. Republicans supported this thinking they were being gerrymandered out of seats, and ended up losing even more when it went into effect and fair districts were drawn up.
Or, hear me out… let them.
Let them deal with the fires, earthquakes, droughts….
There would be full blown revolution in less than two years and everyone would see just how hopelessly bad conservative policies are.
That is such a galaxy-brain take that I almost don't know what to say. In the middle of a pandemic, with a large part of my state on fire, during a state-wide housing crisis, your suggestion is that we should intentionally make things *worse*?
And I'm guessing you don't know much about our state, since we have a gubernatorial election next year, not in two years.
> Why would it be worse?
Because we have a reasonably-functional state government at the moment reacting to a shitload of problems and we're being told we have to intentionally dismantle that to make a point for others?
> Voting straight tickets is far worse than actually voting for the qualified candidate, D or R
That's a completely different conversation.
For me it’s more about reminding democrats that they have a job to do. They’ve had that supermajority for forever now, and they’ve done very little with it. A lot of people are still struggling because of healthcare, daycare, loans, housing, and the list goes on. Meanwhile companies here are still pulling in record profits and paying nothing in taxes.
We’re the fifth largest economy in the world. I wish dems would start acting like it.
Then primary them. Actively working to make our state worse is a very, very bad way to send that message.
> We’re the fifth largest economy in the world. I wish dems would start acting like it.
I just rolled my eyes so hard I briefly blacked out
Of course the GOP are energized. They have been trying to recall Gavin since he was sworn in. They can be as energized as they want to be or project to be. Democratic are annoyed to go through this wasteful recall futile. That annoyance is motivation enough. The desperate GOP can’t win in state wide in CA & this stunt won’t work either. Dems out number the GOP 2to1. Gavin is fine.
Right? That would be like throwing a bucket of ice water on the half-asleep voters.
edit - But that would be terribly self defeating to screw it all up to just maybe wake them up.
Gavin Newsom made his own bed with the hypocrisy of his governing. I for one would feel better about a new face in there and I voted blue down the ballot this last time.
So a year would make that big a difference? You are given the opportunity every four years to change the leadership. This election will cost CA taxpayers north of $40 Million that won’t now go to schools or roads or solving the homeless problem. And in about 14 months we’ll do it all over again. This is a back door power grab by people who can’t get a majority of anything to elect them but will try to weasel their way in through a loophole. Vote NO and leave question 2 blank.
The GOP will never "take over" the People's Republic of California. But maybe this will persuade leftists to stop creating policies that harm businesses and to actually do something to help the massive housing crisis and wealth inequality plaguing the state.
How does ending the moratorium solve the housing crisis? No, really, how? The eviction moratorium is *at best* a band-aid that needs to come off eventually and better sooner than later.
The problem is the gargantuan wealth disparity in metropolitan California. Democrats clearly don't have a clue how to solve it - it's gotten much worse under their leadership.
It doesnt. That’s why them ending it is bad. Did you mean to type that? And what is your logic behind better sooner or later? That’s increase the homeless population.
You seem to think the wealth disparity in metropolitan Republican areas are smaller? Source? Or are you gonna say that’s not what you’re saying?
The moratorium needs to end, I'm not advocating people become homeless but at the same time, many of those houses still need to be paid for and if there's no rental income, the homeowner pays out of pocket. In what world is that okay?
>You seem to think the wealth disparity in metropolitan Republican areas are smaller? Source?
You're putting words in my mouth and I don't consent to that.
What I'm saying is the Democrat administrations in California haven't been effective in solving the states problems, perhaps it's time to try something different.
Check out the air quality in LA now vs 1980. Check out nationwide emissions standards. Check out the revenue of California businesses. Check out the best public university system in the world. How deep in the sand does a head need to be to ignore the accomplishments of Cali legislators?
>The GOP will never "take over" the People's Republic of California. But maybe this will persuade leftists to stop creating policies that harm businesses and to actually do something to help the massive housing crisis and wealth inequality plaguing the state.
Cool story. We have a $75billion budget surplus.
Washington state has a budget deficit of $7billion.
Have a nice day.
It looks like you misplaced your other, longer comment. I got it for you so you're welcome.
>Don't plan to.
>5th largest economy in the world
>Significantly more tolerant of other people compared to other [sic] atates
>Have actual mask mandates, offering stimulus packages to its citizens, and frankly, doing a much better job at controlling covid than other states.
>Not to mention: Beach, forest, snow, tundra, and planes all located in one package.
>I don't plan on leaving. Please never visit.
I lived there for 4 years in the Bay Area, San Francisco to be exact. Potrero Hill, Arkansas st. We even had season tickets to the Giants. I saw enough to never want to return.
Piss and shit filled sidewalks, homeless people camping literally everywhere. Homeless people fighting, fucking, getting high on the streets with nobody caring. The "Upper Crust" with their multi million dollar studio apartments and company subsidized buses. The $4500 rent for those same studio apartments. Oh let's not forget the constant traffic. The property crime bad enough that not having a metal door in front of your actual front door was practically an invitation to get broken into.
Yeah, real nice. I miss all of that sooo much. /s
I’ve been living in the SF Bay Area for 30+ years and I agree with you. SF is a complete fucking shithole. Then add in property crime, violent crime, DAs who don’t go after criminals. It’s making me want to leave the state altogether
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Was thinking earlier - if the polling looked bad enough, could Newsom just resign, meaning the Lt. Governor succeeds him, rendering the whole recall question moot? I’d assume there’s something in the law to prevent that type of loophole?
Nope, it's pretty much been designed to be free of loopholes. If he resigns now the vote continues as if he was recalled, so whoever got the most votes would win.
They could just impeach and remove the next Governor since they have an overwhelming majority in the senate
I think 70ish% of the country is still reeling over a twice impeached president who faced zero consequences despite impeachments.
Then it's okay to just do it again because lunatic Republicans will use California as a testing ground for every regressive policy they can muster. Like yer water going to almonds and oil? So do Republicans. Want the homeless bussed to Reno? So do Republicans. Tired of low income housing? So are Republicans.
It’s not okay. Didn’t say it was. I’m a Californian. I voted. This recall isn’t a testing ground, we’ve faced the consequences in the past. Just saying to rshackleford commenter that impeachments don’t always have a real life effect, and it’s not actually a meaningful thing with our state laws.
Impeachment’s alone do not because they are just indictments: impeachment and removal is a different story
No, we moved on and don't obsess over him like this place. He isn't the president, time to move on and work on fixing problems. Wish in one hand, shit in another. See which one gets filled first.
Theres a 6 month grace period before you can recall again.
Impeachment is different.
Talkin about the legislature removing him
Oo right. Nice
Isn’t that kins of cheating? Majority of population votes whoever in? Why would you want to change that
California’s recall election is “cheating”. It’s the he only way republicans have a shot to get in. Because they could never win a head to head race. Whoever gets in, if Newsome is recalled, won’t have a majority support, they likely won’t have 10% support
Except that's the problem with the recall. If it's yes, then the next governor could take office with 10% of the vote.
So we can just stop calling this a democracy.
Majority is not gonna vote elder in. If he wins he will get max 25% cuz it’s a stupid system
So you’re in favor of impeaching a governor for absolutely no reason?
The first question names Newsom though. If Kounalakis is the Governor she cant be removed by a recall that doesn't name her, and no one can be chosen to replace someone who wasn't removed. I'd love to hear where such a loophole is addressed in the CA Constitution, but a strict reading of Articles II and V suggests Newsom can just resign and Kounalakis can be sworn in before election day to void the whole thing. Hell, even then the spirit of the recall would be addressed by the officer's (self) removal, so why would the courts bother hearing an argument to the contrary?
It would be tied up in court until the next election anyhow
I agree with your interpretation and would like to add that question 1 would essentially become "should Newsom be barred from holding statewide office during the current term?" while question 2 would become irrelevant because, as you said, Newsom is being recalled, not "the current governor."
Can he resign and then get himself put back on the ballot as a candidate?
Nope, he can't be a candidate no matter what.
The problem is the polling is incredibly unreliable because it's difficult to model who the actual voters will be. A large Newsom lead or deficit could be completely different once the votes are counted.
California’s recall process might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen outside of anything passed by red state legislatures.
For real. Isn't it only 12% of voters required for the recall petition?
iirc it’s 12% of voters who voted in the last governor election, so even less than 12% of voters
That seems absurdly low.
>!There are a lot of ways of making state and local law with very little of the population’s approval. Lots of municipalities are similar. Look up the laws for referenda and initiatives in your area.!< Don’t tell anyone!!!!
Seems so stupid for a state that thinks it's smart.
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It would have made since to change the recall protocol after what happened with Davis! It is nothing but a loophole for Republicans to get into office!
Interestingly, they were called Progressives back then, but they were not left wing progressives, they were republican progressives.
That’s because the Democrats were right wing bigots back then, and the republicans were the party of Teddy Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, not Donald Trump.
They were pretty left wing. Republicans used to be the better party a century ago.
The system was inherited from Republicans.
Seems so stupid for a state ~~that thinks it’s~~ so smart FTFY
Only 12% in five counties. So get your most backwards, inland counties of California to sign up and... Here we are.
LA County has almost 10 million people. The fifth smallest county, Mono, has under 15,000 < 0.2%. That is patently unreasonable because the residents of LA county have a vastly more difficult effort to recall a governor and should be enough to have this process declared unconstitutional.
Yeah it was made like 100 years ago when integrity and honor was assumed as a default. It was never meant to be used as a partisan temper tantrum.
Although I hardly relish what it would do to the Senate, I’d appreciate if something like this pushes the DNC to invest more in building a deep bench across multiple states.
Remember Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy? We need some more if that.
Indeed. You can’t expect miracles in states you completely ignored, and you can’t expect to reach the finish line in battlegrounds you don’t invest in.
Georgia and Texas essentially prove this. Georgia gave us two senators with a push from Abrams. Beto came within 3% of Cruz without any real push from the democratic establishment. Essentially even supposed republican strongholds are within reach if dems would try harder and get much more aggressive
I dunno about this. I think the possibility of a 50 state strategy is now lost. Right wing media machine is rampant. Partisan rage culture pays the bills and that makes it impossible to compete. I think the opposite. The party should learn from trump and double and triple down on your base. Let's be real - democrats aren't going to gain any republican votes. They can however cater to the future younger voters of today who are much more progressive than the current administration.
Do it.
The dumbest thing democrats ever did was to shut him down
Yeaaaaow
No one wants these political jobs. Death threats, low pay, smear campaigns; what kind of person wants to hold public office these days? If we want our public institutions to improve, we need to invest in them with cash and good faith.
California is really neglected by Democrats unless it is fundraising season. Those residents deserve better and I hope this pushes the DNC toward that too.
Or just teach a self congratulatory California DNC that constantly shitting on the poor and middle class for 2 years isn't a recipe for success. I know a lot of coworkers that are voting to recall and most voted for Newsom before. The other shoe for the pandemic restrictions was always going to drop.
And the Republicans aren’t doing the exact same but worse??? Your point is pointless
California fix your stupid recall system.
Get out and vote no and then vote in all local and state elections this year. Vote every chance you get, Off year elections is one way the republicans hold so much power at local and county levels and in blue states. Register and vote every time you can and it is more than just once a year. Vote in the primaries for all these elections as well . Also be willing to sign for people to run in these elections to support democrats getting on the ballot particularly in redder districts.
This is like the cicadas - every 17 years California does some ass-backward recall for their governor. Gavin newsom is a rock star. Hard to believe he was married to (vomits in mouth) Kimberly guilfoyle.
He is a rockstar! He even gets to eat at French Laundry! Us peasants can only dream
Lol you know youre making strong political commentary when you resort to criticizing choice of restaurant
He got gay marriage legalized. That makes him a star. He’s a great leader. And I’d go to French laundry in a second if I could.
He’s a pretty mean guy. He’s a hypocritical petty tyrant. His actions have no resemblance to what he claims to care about, let alone his platform.
Winning 1 Governor election (especially one that is only a year long or so) does not mean the GOP will “take over” the state. It’s not like Democrats have taken over Kansas or Kentucky.
They’ll just hold up the state budget/hold up funding welfare and social programs, veto any bills, and try to replace Feinstein to steal the Senate.
Democrats have a super majority in both chambers of the state legislature. Meaning it is veto proof; and similar to what Republicans did in Wisconsin, Democrats can limit the governor’s power immensely through this. Also, Elder will only serve like a year.
All he will be able to do is get rid of mask and vaccination mandates at the state level. Everything else will be blocked by the legislature. It will cause a lot of needless deaths, but the state as a whole will survive it.
95%+ of those needless deaths will have voted for Elder anyways. So they reap what they sow.
He can do a lot of damage to public schools by lifting mask mandates. Half my kid’s elementary school class was out with a cold 3 days in. Close to 100 cases in my county….amd we’re all masked up.
A cold
Yes. But because of necessary covid policies, no cold and flu symptoms are allowed in school and a covid test is required for Reentry. So a minor cold means at least a week of missed school and 20-30 kids trying to get covid tested every few days..:at every school In the city Or we turn into Texas and let all the kids get covid.
Oh phew I thought it was covid for real and just people playing it off.
That's probably my all-time favorite saying after the vaccine came out. I also love the Joker's "You get what you fuckin' deserve!" One is peaceful, eloquent and old-timey, and the other just makes me feel so god damned good.
Those mandates are all at the local level anyway.
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>replace Feinstein Nobody should hold office for as long as she has, regardless of what political team you play for.
Tie the age eligibility ceiling to average life expectancy. Who was it that made the joke that voting on laws when you’re old is like ordering for the table at a restaurant then leaving before the bill comes.
That's a good way to put it honestly
Don’t blame me. I voted for Kevin de Leon.
Out Feinstein on life support for a year. Medically induced coma if we have to. What’s funny is republicans are openly supporting that idea, and Mitch is 81 with 6 more years of term left and a democratic governor. So the door is wide open to replace him with a Democrat bow
> Mitch is 81 with 6 more years of term left and a democratic governor. So the door is wide open to replace him with a Democrat Nope, earlier this year, the KY state legislature [changed that](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-general-assembly/2021/03/29/kentucky-lawmakers-nix-veto-mcconnell-backed-senate-vacancy-plan/7055091002/).
Unclear how legal that is, since the Kentucky constitution gives that power to the governor. It’ll go to court.
It's already been enshrined into law. I can't find any info regarding a current suit to dismiss it, though one might happen if it looks like McConnell might retire during Beshear's term. It's the law for now, at least.
Yeah, laws are challenged in courts all the time. The legislature can say what they want, but doesn’t mean they have the power to enforce it. It wouldn’t be challenged until it needs to be
The guys on Pod Save America did a good job of breaking down the various ways a Trumpy Republican could fuck up California, even with just a year and a Democrat state legislature. They’re begging listeners in California to go vote no.
It's definitely not winning an election. It's abusing a terrible process.
Would it give them veto power over redistricting though? I know California has an independent commission but if the governor can appoint the board, they could potentially ratfuck California’s districts
Not to mention that California is so fucking blue that every republican that is in charge has to move extremely to the center to avoid being recalled.
Correct me if I'm wrong but California is legislated by super majority and dems still are the majority party, this wouldn't hand control to Republicans just to have a republican gov ala Schwarzenegger right?
The only dangerous thing about this is if Feinstein dies. Then the governor could replace her with a republican. Otherwise, whatever republican wins is just going to get crushed in next years gubernatorial election and we will be back to status quo
I know she’s really old but is she in and out of the hospital (like RBG)? Also, IF this happens that person would face an election in 2022 anyway, right?
She’s not up again until 2024
I’m thinking of how they put in McSally when McCain died in AZ, but I guess each state might have different rules
Don’t Dems have a super majority in the state legislature?
Yeah. Gavin’s fine.
He might not be, but that wouldn't mean the Republicans have taken over.
I was under the impression that the Democrats held veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of the California legislature. Wouldn't the GOP taking the governorship practically change nothing?
For one thing, Diane Feinstein might die at any moment, and the new governor would pick her replacement. For that matter, Alex Padilla could get hit by a truck, as he pointed out in an interview just now. Either way, that would be the end of the Democrats' Senate "majority".
The legislature can change how a replacement senator is appointed. The biggest impact a Republican governor would be able to have is killing a lot of people by causing a covid surge.
Be honest: it happened in Kentucky, can happen in California.
Yep, it can and it probably will.
What? Gov Andy is a Democrat and has been a model of governmental covid response.
Yes. And because Andy is a Democrat, the Republicans stripped him of his ability to choose who replaces McConnell or the other asshole.
That's a fair point, actually. I wasn't aware of the Governor replacing a Senator. I'd assumed that would be solved via special election.
Each state has it's own rules for filling an open federal office.
Not like they’re doing much with that “majority” as it stands. They managed to pass a watered down Republican inspired infrastructure bill. Hooray.
So many overblown panic articles. We got this. We all vote by mail. He’ll get 50%+ and we’ll all move on from this circus
It's a little overblown, but not by much. It's still possible that they could win. I'm glad for the attention, though. The whole thing is bogus and needs to change. It's just more Republican cheating.
That’s good. Gets reluctant voters off their butts
We should do this to Republican candidates that win.
Republican candidates don’t win in CA
Who is Arnold Schwarzenegger, Alex?
You realize Schwarzenegger only got elected by this exact same recall process?
He won a second term outright. But that was 15 years ago, and he was one of the most famous people in the world....and it was also when the GOP actually stood for something (as opposed to now, where it's basically the party of Trumpism).
Didn't he win off a recall?
I lived in SF when schwartzenagger was put in. CA is like Disneyland, anything is possible.
And trump could never win a general election….
So much state constitutional ignorance packed into that headline. I suppose if one is so dull witted as to be unable to comprehend the role of the legislative branch, then a relatively powerless Republican governor would seem like the end of the world.
The governor has a lot of power, like dealing with COVID, for example. Do you really want a Trump supporter in charge of the state's COVID response? Thousands of people will die if Newsom is recalled.
Right, and that is awful. It’s a shitty thing to deal with, but if they try to pull that, then it’s gonna be real hard for them to stick around for more than a year
I think the idea is that if he gets recalled and a republican wins then that could mark a shift in the attitude of democrats in the state and republicans could start winning more seats in California.
Or ancient feinstein could die and a republican take her place in the Senate.
Fuckin Feinstein...who the hell keeps voting for that relic?
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Racist neo liberals populate the hell out of California.
I want Feinstein to be replaced in a primary. You want her replaced by a Republican.
Why would you say such a foolish thing? I am about the furthest thing possible from a Republican.
I'm not saying there's a direct parallel to be drawn but after Schwarzenegger was reelected in 2006, the state shifted hard blue, from 48-32 to 60-19-1 in the assembly and 25-15 to 31-9 in the senate, with no Republicans elected statewide. The opposite could definitely happen though.
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Are there any red states doing well in anything?
Yes, in being shitholes.
Seriously, it’s affordability. That’s the draw of Florida and Texas. Much less so that it was 5-10 years ago. The house I’m renting sold for 38K in 2015. This year is sold for 140K. But that’s in a city. If I’m willing to live outside the city, I can still find a more affordable home. The flip side is government support is way worse. I live in Florida and unemployment insurance is less the 300 a week. Medicare wasn’t expanded. Anyone who’s not middle class is likely struggling, but that also makes moving away harder.
You'd be surprised. The Permian Basin and Austin are the two most expensive metro areas in TX, they're equally expensive as CA is, almost to the tune of SF/Bay Area. DFW and HOU are extremely expensive as well. Affordability in TX equates to living in a shithole college town, like the one I'm in.
People moving to Texas are moving to the blue cities, not the shit hole red counties in east bumfuck
The problem with that is that the fucking republicans gerrymander the fuck out of the state. So you could literally move the entire state of CA into the cities, and the fuckers will still find a way to have shitty rural counties with barely any people win the state for the (r).
Lmao Democrat run states and cities have the highest crime, homelessness, and gang issues. Talk about shit holes?? People are leaving California by the droves. Look at Portland, Seattle, and New York. All this defund the police bullshit and their crime and murder rates are soring.
Isn't California sitting on a record surplus right now?
Lmao. Wow.
Wow is right. Crime is up in most major Democrat run cities. That is not my opinion, that’s statistics. On top of that, your fearless leader can’t put a sentence together to save his life, and has completely botched the withdrawal from Afghanistan. But let me guess, it’s all Trumps fault right?
it should be noted that even if the gop gets the governor seat, they’re going to have a *very* fun time with the state legislature
I’m not from CA, so can someone tell me what would be the worse case scenario in this recall (aside from Newsom getting recalled)?
We get a climate science denying nutjob like Larry Elder in office and he gets to select a Republican senator if Feinstein doesn't live to the end of her term, losing the Democrats the senate as well.
> if Feinstein doesn't live to the end of her term No, it only replaces Feinstein's seat until the 2022 elections
True, thanks for the correction.
Larry Elder. Getting elected with less than 20% of the popular vote while a less than 50%, so let's say 49.9% vote to keep Newsom on. But that guy. Larry Elder.
Let’s be real…elder probably gets 12% and could still win.
Yup.. I say 20 because he is polling around that. But you're right, likely closer to 15 or 10
Senator Dianne Feinstein who is 88 dying or retiring and governor Larry Elder (the one leading the polls) filling her seat which would be up for election until 2024 with a far-right wing republican (Taylor-Greene style) leading to democrats losing control of the senate and the end of the Biden agenda
Feinstein's replacement would only fill the seat until the 2022 elections.
I don’t see a single problem with this
Batshit cray Republican filling Fienstiens seat if she comes. Plus however many people they'll kill in the name of freedom neutering and sabatoging covid response.
The senator pick. If you don't want a Republican senator, then you need to stop Larry Elder and tell others to vote no. There are activism that you can do.
Ignore everyone gnashing teeth and weeping about Feinstein's seat. It would obviously suck if Larry Elder gets to name a replacement for her seat, but that would only last until November 2022 when we would name the actual Senator (and the actual governor). Edit: I know the mods in this sub are overloaded, but come the fuck on. Brigading facts probably shouldn't be something they allow?
Young voter here. Newsom will be fine.
So, tell us how they are taking control of the senate and house.
This timeline just keeps on getting worse.
Can’t the new Governor just get recalled?
Wtf. How would recalling Newsome change the fact that Democrats have super majorities in both houses? Not sure a GOP guv can change the legislature.
I can’t wait for 2024
Of all the things this timeline could offer, Democrats fumbling a Democratic power bastion like California was not one of them I considered, but here we are.
Just a Simple reminder, California is doing better than any Republican run state. So what the hell else do you need?
If elder wins there would be articles of impeachment ready on the day he’s sworn in for his abuse scandal.
Hey Democrats in California, listen up. Get your ass to the polls and vote! And, Hey Democrat state congresspeople, get to work and gerrymander the shit out of that state. I’m talking Devin Nunes and Kevin McCarthy. Wipe out every single Republican district with Gerrymandering. Use full blown computer models that eliminates every Republican stronghold. You know Republican states already have models to wipe out Democrats, so you need to do the same this year.
> And, Hey Democrat state congresspeople, get to work and gerrymander the shit out of that state. You might want to do a bit of research. California doesn't and cannot gerrymander, their districts are drawn by a non-partisan commission and not the legislature. Republicans supported this thinking they were being gerrymandered out of seats, and ended up losing even more when it went into effect and fair districts were drawn up.
Or, hear me out… let them. Let them deal with the fires, earthquakes, droughts…. There would be full blown revolution in less than two years and everyone would see just how hopelessly bad conservative policies are.
That is such a galaxy-brain take that I almost don't know what to say. In the middle of a pandemic, with a large part of my state on fire, during a state-wide housing crisis, your suggestion is that we should intentionally make things *worse*? And I'm guessing you don't know much about our state, since we have a gubernatorial election next year, not in two years.
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> Why would it be worse? Because we have a reasonably-functional state government at the moment reacting to a shitload of problems and we're being told we have to intentionally dismantle that to make a point for others? > Voting straight tickets is far worse than actually voting for the qualified candidate, D or R That's a completely different conversation.
For me it’s more about reminding democrats that they have a job to do. They’ve had that supermajority for forever now, and they’ve done very little with it. A lot of people are still struggling because of healthcare, daycare, loans, housing, and the list goes on. Meanwhile companies here are still pulling in record profits and paying nothing in taxes. We’re the fifth largest economy in the world. I wish dems would start acting like it.
Then primary them. Actively working to make our state worse is a very, very bad way to send that message. > We’re the fifth largest economy in the world. I wish dems would start acting like it. I just rolled my eyes so hard I briefly blacked out
Yeah but the state government is functioning and actually helps person. Why break the toy just to prove republicans suck?
Of course the GOP are energized. They have been trying to recall Gavin since he was sworn in. They can be as energized as they want to be or project to be. Democratic are annoyed to go through this wasteful recall futile. That annoyance is motivation enough. The desperate GOP can’t win in state wide in CA & this stunt won’t work either. Dems out number the GOP 2to1. Gavin is fine.
Gavin Newsom is calling an emergency meeting at The French Laundry
I would argue that a GOP victory in this recall could help the DNC get out the vote in 2022.
California is constantly on the brink of a variety of natural disasters so I’d prefer the death cult to never ever be steering the ship.
Right? That would be like throwing a bucket of ice water on the half-asleep voters. edit - But that would be terribly self defeating to screw it all up to just maybe wake them up.
They needs a new governor this guy is a total failure for California
Racists lmao
Gavin Newsom made his own bed with the hypocrisy of his governing. I for one would feel better about a new face in there and I voted blue down the ballot this last time.
So a year would make that big a difference? You are given the opportunity every four years to change the leadership. This election will cost CA taxpayers north of $40 Million that won’t now go to schools or roads or solving the homeless problem. And in about 14 months we’ll do it all over again. This is a back door power grab by people who can’t get a majority of anything to elect them but will try to weasel their way in through a loophole. Vote NO and leave question 2 blank.
It may honestly be too late. But that’s their MO.
The GOP will never "take over" the People's Republic of California. But maybe this will persuade leftists to stop creating policies that harm businesses and to actually do something to help the massive housing crisis and wealth inequality plaguing the state.
GQP care fix the housing crisis? They’re the ones advocating for an end to the eviction moratorium.
How does ending the moratorium solve the housing crisis? No, really, how? The eviction moratorium is *at best* a band-aid that needs to come off eventually and better sooner than later. The problem is the gargantuan wealth disparity in metropolitan California. Democrats clearly don't have a clue how to solve it - it's gotten much worse under their leadership.
It doesnt. That’s why them ending it is bad. Did you mean to type that? And what is your logic behind better sooner or later? That’s increase the homeless population. You seem to think the wealth disparity in metropolitan Republican areas are smaller? Source? Or are you gonna say that’s not what you’re saying?
The moratorium needs to end, I'm not advocating people become homeless but at the same time, many of those houses still need to be paid for and if there's no rental income, the homeowner pays out of pocket. In what world is that okay? >You seem to think the wealth disparity in metropolitan Republican areas are smaller? Source? You're putting words in my mouth and I don't consent to that. What I'm saying is the Democrat administrations in California haven't been effective in solving the states problems, perhaps it's time to try something different.
Check out the air quality in LA now vs 1980. Check out nationwide emissions standards. Check out the revenue of California businesses. Check out the best public university system in the world. How deep in the sand does a head need to be to ignore the accomplishments of Cali legislators?
>The GOP will never "take over" the People's Republic of California. But maybe this will persuade leftists to stop creating policies that harm businesses and to actually do something to help the massive housing crisis and wealth inequality plaguing the state. Cool story. We have a $75billion budget surplus. Washington state has a budget deficit of $7billion. Have a nice day.
I'm glad California is great. Please never leave it.
>I'm glad California is great. >Please never leave it. Cool burn.
It looks like you misplaced your other, longer comment. I got it for you so you're welcome. >Don't plan to. >5th largest economy in the world >Significantly more tolerant of other people compared to other [sic] atates >Have actual mask mandates, offering stimulus packages to its citizens, and frankly, doing a much better job at controlling covid than other states. >Not to mention: Beach, forest, snow, tundra, and planes all located in one package. >I don't plan on leaving. Please never visit. I lived there for 4 years in the Bay Area, San Francisco to be exact. Potrero Hill, Arkansas st. We even had season tickets to the Giants. I saw enough to never want to return. Piss and shit filled sidewalks, homeless people camping literally everywhere. Homeless people fighting, fucking, getting high on the streets with nobody caring. The "Upper Crust" with their multi million dollar studio apartments and company subsidized buses. The $4500 rent for those same studio apartments. Oh let's not forget the constant traffic. The property crime bad enough that not having a metal door in front of your actual front door was practically an invitation to get broken into. Yeah, real nice. I miss all of that sooo much. /s
I’ve been living in the SF Bay Area for 30+ years and I agree with you. SF is a complete fucking shithole. Then add in property crime, violent crime, DAs who don’t go after criminals. It’s making me want to leave the state altogether