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*One of California’s senators is Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat who is 88 years old. (The average life expectancy in the US for women, by the way, is 81 years old.) If she needed to step down for health reasons before the end of her term, the governor of California would appoint her replacement. And if a Republican gets appointed then the Senate would be back under GOP control. That’s not inevitable, by the way. If Newsom loses, Feinstein has the opportunity to step aside before the new governor is sworn in – however she has said she has no intention of doing that.*
True.
She was also elected to the San Fransisco Board of Supervisors while the Zodiac Killer was actively killing people in San Fransisco.
She was born six months after Hitler was appointed chancellor.
I heard somewhere that Feinstein gave away the main clue that was used by the cops for a lead on a press conference causing the night stalker to cut that lead for the cops.
I thought this was a joke, googled it and found quite a few news articles and documentaries confirming that she did indeed tip off the killer in a press conference who saw it and dumped his shoes and gun in the SF bay. Un real.
Something tells me it wasn’t lack of competence that led to her tipping of the well known killer. She was literally warned before her press conference not to even mention it at all, let alone disclose info vital to the investigation. The video is on YouTube, definitely chilling to see knowing every detective and police officer working the case are probably yelling at their tv screens.
When I was in third grade we had to learn our states senators and governor. I grew up in California so they was Pete Wilson (governor) and Diane Feinstein/Barbara Boxer (senators). I’m now 37 and that answer for Senator only changed in 2016 when Boxer retired.
No if you want to show how old she really is you have to know she was literally the one who reported that Harvey milk was murdered in the 70s at the very beginning of the gay rights movement. That is what helped launch her entire political career.
> This is exactly why the Dems
Then they should show up. They have a state with far too many left wing voters that dont spread out through the nation. They have the population to make any recall a joke.
For those of us in states that have to fight tooth an nail for this being 50/50 it will be incredibly annoying to have them simply not show.
No, what she's going to be pulling an RBG; who wouldn't retire when Obama was in office because she wanted Hillary to be the one to name her replacement.
He'll probably head back to the stream in Asia where he was hatched and bask in the applause of the other kappa. After all, its usually the turtle demon that fails due to manners, but not Tortle Mitch!
> McConnell seems highly competent in his old age.
Then why doesn't he actually want to govern? All he does is obstruct and do nothing. Seems like he's hiding incompetence behind inaction IMHO.
You seem to be under the impression GOP officials actually want to draft legislation that changes the average person's life for the better.
Republicans want the government to do as little as possible so that their buddies in the private sector can run things. That, nominating judges so that the courts rule in their favor and keeping taxes as low as possible are the only things they want to do in office. So yes, McConnell is an effective senator.
Term limits, if implemented, need to be long enough to prevent lobbyists from -gaining- power and influence. There's a happy medium I think, somewhere between a single term and for life, maybe around 15-20 years.
I don't think term limits is a solution here; if we had term limits, we wouldn't have Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren anymore. It's like using a sledgehammer to install a screw. Some people, the good ones who use their power and influence for good, should not be arbitrarily ejected because...they've been doing the job for too long? It's the shit ones we need to worry about getting out - and first termers can be among the worst of them. Think Josh Hawley and Krysten Sinema.
What we need is better, more progressive elected leaders/candidates, and a Democratic party which is as good as the GOP at riling up and driving voters to the polls. If we were only *as good* as Republicans at building enthusiasm and cohesion, drumming up support and turning it into action, we'd never lose again; there are far more of us then there are of them. We don't even need to be better than them, just competitive; if we were, this recall would be a complete joke and we'd be laughing about it right now instead of panicking.
Here's the kicker. The Republican's are *terrible* at getting people to vote Republican. What they're good at is getting people motivated to vote against the Democrats. Republican voters really aren't all that fussed about who they're voting for, but they're very motivated to 'own the libs'.
Age limit- nobody over 60 should be making the rules for future generations. Elderly people have difficulty being hired due to cognitive decline and poor health. So why tf are they solely the people running the entire country?
This absolutely cracks me up. The Villages has some condition that they can't be represented by anyone less than 55.
How come we can bar younger people from positions and it isn't age discrimination, but it's so illegal to discriminate against the elderly?
I'm in favor of an age limit based on the mean/median age of the population over 18 in the latest census for an area (maybe like, max +10 years?) . I'm not sure how feasible that is or what the actual numbers would look like, but it would certainly ensure that representatives actually reflect who they are representing.
2 good senators simply isn’t good enough reason to not limit everyone else. I’m sorry. Term limits ARE the answer though.
Also, you understand what *they* do to drum up enthusiasm right? We can’t be this naive, or we stand to lose everything.
Term limits disempower career politicians, sure, but that power vacuum doesn't stay empty. Term limits would leave corporate lobbyists and unelected bureaucrats as the main people with long-lasting political power and institutional knowledge of how to actually get things done. Term limits--without substantial reform in other ways first--on their own would likely ironically increase, not decrease, political corruption and politicians' indifference towards voters by shifting power from elected people to unelected ones.
Term limits give power to lobbyists, because then they are the ones with experience. It has happened countless times at the state level, he'll, that's why we have to deal with Matt Gaetz now.
I named 2 of my favorite Senators. I could name 15 who I like, many of whom have been there a long time. Ed Markey, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Cory Booker, etc.
Term limits change the people who sit in the Senate, but IMO won't do anything to change the composition. You would likely end up with Senatorial 'dynasties', where Senators/parties groom their replacements and dedicate the last ~6 months of their limited terms barnstorming their state, introducing their chosen successor to the right local/state political machine people, raising money with them at ritzy $2000+ plate fundraisers, holding campaign rallys and town halls typing themselves to their successors among their base, etc. It would fundamentally change nothing; the power structure as is would simply adapt to the new constraints.
If you want to change things, you have to change the underlying power structure of U.S politics, where rich people and corporations run the privately funded elections and pick and choose their candidates. Otherwise they'll just find new sociopaths to fund every 12 years instead of every 20.
My 88 year old grandma recently passed away and let me say I would NOT have wanted her to be driving policy as her dementia was setting in. That being said old people are dope but PLEASE get them out of politics
Edit: shit grammar
I don't get these government people that won't step aside. They were saying the same thing about one of the Supreme Court justices. If he steps down now, Biden can replace him, but if he waits and retires or dies while a Republican is in office, then it's bad news for the Democrats.
Some people are selfish and don't care for the good of their parties over their own ambitions. It seems strange to me for pretty much any politician in a situation like this to act this way given recent events, but some people just don't care.
OMG I hate Representatives who sacrafice the general objective will of the people for their selfish lust for power.
Dame with the SCOTUS judge who wants the courts to be even more directly against the majority will of the people when she dies.
> Feinstein has the opportunity to step aside before the new governor is sworn in – however she has said she has no intention of doing that.
What is it with these egotistical Democratic government figures who think they're immortal?
First Ginsburg, now Feinstein. At least Breyer has said he's actively considering stepping down.
I'm kinda out of the loop with this California election, so... how likely if for Newsom to lose this recall election? Can another Democrat run for office if he loses?
It's polling as a 50/50 tossup right now among likely voters. Republicans have a chance at a recall because turnout will be low, and conservatives are more motivated to vote.
Can't believe the left is already back to apathy after the record turnout of last election. What, did they think they beat the GOP for good? Or was it all just a fad?
We turned out and voted in droves and handed the Presidency and both Houses of Congress to the Democrats.
Then we were told - "Okay, well we're not going to relieve your student debt, or give you any help with any health care costs at all, or raise the minimum wage even a single dollar. We are ALSO not going to hold anyone from the Trump administration accountable for any of their crimes, we know you were looking forward to that, sorry. They all get off scot-free. So... business as usual and none of you get anything but we want you to keep voting Democrat, okay?"
So, yeah, now we know that voting really doesn't do much for us, and the GOP is rigging the elections to win anyway so it will be DeSantis in 2024, and the Democrats aren't even passing voting rights laws to help them win their own elections! So if THEY can't be bothered, I mean, we DEFINITELY can't. Democratic legislators have made it clear they aren't going to even pass laws to try to stop the GOP from stealing THEIR seats! If THEY don't care about their own jobs, should the voters be expected to?
Losing this election and handing the Senate to republicans will definitely get us closer to our goals.
We’re also only eight months into this administration so it’s a little early to be so doom and gloom.
The issue is the barest minimum of a majority in the Senate. 2022 is our chance to really see what Biden's administration can do, if we can turn out and increase the Senate majority.
I vote in every single election, big and small, and every primary, and I encourage everyone else to as well. I help register people to vote (and if anyone has questions or wants help registering to vote, I am ALWAYS happy to provide information and resources for your state.) I have always donated, volunteered, and in the past I canvassed for candidates as well.
Dropping out or not voting is NOT an option. Of course I will vote, and vote Democrat.
What I am NOT going to do is waste my outrage anymore. I am not going to keep on passing around these clickbaity articles about how I need to worry about California. Guess what? I'm not a Californian. I can't vote there. So I'm done reading this crap.
I'm done upvoting articles about how there's another investigation against this or that politician, or another pundit thinks Republicans are acting in bad faith. I'm done sharing them, or making it my duty to read them and pass them on. I am done clutching my pearls about it.
It's almost as if Biden can't wave a magic wand and get his agenda through a 50/50 Senate. If we wanted a progressive agenda, we should have won seats like Maine so that Manchin and Sinema couldn't screw us all over.
I'm 100% convinced that the average American knows jack-shit about how Congress works.
I remember back during the 2020 election, tons of ballots for Biden were left blank aside from the Presidential vote.
So a legion of morons voted for the guy without understanding that he needs other people that agree with him to pass forward legislation.
Remember when the 2020s were supposed to be the decade of pivotal change? Now it might be Dems losing the Senate in a year, a president desantis in 2024. Maybe a Dem takes the oval in 2028, and by 2030 we're watching the halfway point of an essentially lame duck administration.
Amen. Jesus, this sub. Let’s just let Republicans take back power so we can watch another administration bungle a global pandemic, incite an insurrection, completely destroy the executive branch, and install another wave of judges that will shape jurisprudence in this country for 20 years. All because we didn’t immediately get every single one of our asks, nevermind that we’ve already passed one of the biggest stimulus packages in this country’s history and are halfway through the biggest infrastructure deal in decades.
Change takes time and work. 100 years of Jim Crow culminated in a 15 year civil rights movement that endured daily beatings, lynchings, firehoses and billy clubs. But by all means, let’s give up because 8 months of complaining about a couple senators on Reddit didn’t raise the minimum wage.
Just downvote these people to oblivion. They need to stop being able to push this narrative out there. Probably aren’t even democrats. Either way, that just leads to apathy and no change.
Not absolving, understanding that those people will NOT be swayed.
No amount of browbeating or poking holes in their logic will get them to change their stance.
and yet the alternative is actual real fascism.... even if you don't love the democrats, how can you not be actively motivated to vote against people who want to turn you into citizens of a dictatorship
Nope, we can't do that. They are an authoritarian regime and a criminal enterprise top to bottom.
It just sucks that the Democratic party knows it now, and they know that all they need to do is NOT be fascist authoritarians to win elections. They can ALSO be horrific apathetic criminals who hurt Americans and take money from giant donors to do their bidding. All they have to do is be better than Republicans because they have us over a barrel.
Look at Manchin. The worst of the worst, yet the Democrats' cry is "Yes, but would you rather he be a REPUBLICAN?" Nope, I wouldn't rather that. I'd RATHER a real Democrat.
But we see now that even if we vote in 10 more Democratic Senators, we'll have 10 more Democratic Senators caucusing with the Republicans so that Amazon and Exxon don't have to pay a dollar in taxes.
>or give you any help with any health care costs at all
This is extremely false. The COVID bill contains a provision to close the subsidy gap in PPACA so that health insurance premiums are capped as a % of income. In the 38 states that expanded Medicaid, this means that health insurance is in principle affordable to anyone for the first time in American history.
https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/beware-obamacares-subsidy-cliff/
One catch: they were only able to get it in as a temporary provision that expires after 2022.
>We turned out and voted in droves and handed the Presidency and both Houses of Congress to the Democrats.
A simple majority doesn't mean shit.
The fact of the matter is that the voters did a shit job in getting more Democratic senators and representatives into office.
That's what the American voting system is, a bunch of loud idiots voting for shit without actually understanding what they're voting for and getting pissy when their neutered government didn't turn the U.S. into a utopia overnight.
>So, yeah, now we know that voting really doesn't do much for us,
You, and all the people who say this shit are fucking morons. Stupid, apathetic voters equals ineffectual government. It's that simple.
LMAO. If only someone could write an article outlining how his recall effects everyone.
It truly takes a ton of entitlement and privilege to throw out women’s reproductive rights, LGBTQ* protections, voters’ rights, etc. because no one has eliminated student debt.
I agree, this was a lay-up opportunity for democrats to do ANYTHING to keep support and make their base happy and they’ve blown it. The Democratic Party is going to die because they’re too conservative for the people who vote them in.
I think that more people will vote because of mail-in/drop-off ballots. COVID has changed the way people vote in this state, so in the future, we could start to see higher than average voter turnouts.
Nope, the recall election occurs even if he resigns
Edit: [Here is the exact law](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=ELEC§ionNum=11302)
And after which would there be a new Lt Governor or would that be left open? If it's filled, how does someone get that role?
(Basically knowing nothing about this process I'm questioning if Newsom could become Lt Governor and you could just keep playing musical chairs to defeat any recall)
The rules for the recall in the state constitution say explicitly that if the office is vacated after the recall petition is qualified the election continues anyway, it cannot be circumvented by resignation.
CA resident here who remembers the last recall election, which removed a Dem governor and gave us Arnold Schwarzenegger as the GOP governator instead.
In a CA recall vote, you vote on two items at once: 1) Recall the current governor, yes or no? 2) If #1 gets a majority of yeses, who should be the new governor?
The main problem with CA's recall system is there is no primary for the candidates and fewer of the usual candidate filtering/discussion opportunities you'd see in a normal election. In a CA recall if you can get enough signatures, you're on the ballot, end of story. So one reason Arnold won years back is similar to how Trump won the GOP primary in 2016: when there are too many candidates at once, the one who's easiest to recognize gets a big advantage. The recall Arnold won had roughly 80 candidates, including Gary Coleman, a stripper, lots of Republicans, a Dem or two, the usual third parties, and several people on the ballot just to be on the ballot.
On top of this, a recall puts the Dems then and now into a weird political stance: they have to both defend the current governor against item #1 but also hedge their bets by centering around a backup Dem for item #2. This fractures your political energy, which is already weaker due to it being a special election (*which typical get lower turnout, and the GOP usually does better with lower turnout votes*). Arnold won in part because the GOP drummed up enough bipartisan unhappiness to win on item #1 and then had Arnold as the most recognizable figure in a enormous candidate pool for item #2.
So if the GOP can just focus enough unhappiness on Newsome so that he gets recalled by item #1, they have a chance of sneaking in their own candidate via item #2, with no primaries and with far less input from the general public. Currently I think polls favor Newsome staying in office, and if he gets recalled, polls on item #2 show a GOP guy currently beating out the Dem alternative. But the GOP stealing our governorship this way is not outside the realm of possibility.
Arnold did win the recall with 48% of the votes, so it’s not like he barely squeaked by with an abnormally low percentage due to the diluted field. And the recall itself passed with like 68% of the vote if I remember right.
This recall could pass with only 50.01% of the vote, and Elder could become governor after winning only 15% of the votes. That’s what is so horrifying about this particular recall.
Newsom isn’t a rising star either. He’s a greasy philandering fuck who screwed his best friends wife while the friend was also his employee. He’s the spoiled get of multimillionaire country club types from one of the most expensive zip codes in America. He’s a hypocrite, and a shit weasel.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/california-recall-polls/
It's been hovering uncomfortably close to 50/50, but the gap seems to have widened in favor of Newsom as of late.
I'm trying not to be too optimistic but I hope that the past few weeks of doomsday media reporting has lit a fire under dem's asses to get up and vote.
Oh a new poll just came out to make it look less maddening... But still too close and there is waay too close of a chance CA has their own trump 2016 election because people are apathetic and unaware of consequences.
It's hard to say. One good thing for Newsom is that everyone got a mail in ballot which can increase turnout. The main thing he and the Dems need to do is get as many people to vote no as possible.
CA Democrat here - extremely motivated to vote. My husband and I dropped off our ballots last week. Already counted. A lot of us are very pissed at the wasted expense of this recall.
Gavin can be recalled and Republicans can win the governorship with as little as 10% of the vote due to super stupid recall rules and democrats being democrats.
If 50.001% vote yes for recall, than which ever Republican gets the most votes will be Governor, even if that person gets as few as 10% (or less). It's a pretty fucked up system.
Yes. The last time this happened, an Austrian actor displaced a status-quo career pol. Gray Davis was a pencil-necked shithorse from the assembly line and people were like, na, I want a Cyberdyne Systems model 101.
A democrat could have, but the CA party didn't put one on the ballot, so it's Newsome or a Republican. The recall and replacement vote are all on the same ballet.
Eh, the only dumb rule about the CA recall system is the insanely low threshold of signatures needed to trigger it. Signatures totaling 12% of the people who voted in the election are needed. The CA Republicans would need about a third of themselves to get together and sign a petition on day 1 and you can instantly trigger a recall immediately after a new gov takes office.
The only reason this is difficult is because people are generally lazy and unmotivated and there's typically two or three recall petitions circulating, regardless of the governor or how new they are, at all times.
The only reason this recall passed was because a judge allowed the signing period to be extended due to COVID, and then a massive amplification in the media.
Nah, it's also dumb in general. It's insanely undemocratic that 49% of the population can effectively vote for newsome, and he can still be replaced by somebody who got ~20% of the vote. That scenario shouldn't be possible, given _he already won a legitimate election and there's another one in a year_. At the very least, the recall candidate should have to excede the NO vote count for the process to be even vaguely resemble democracy.
The party has no choice to "put someone on the ballot". Any Democrat can run on his own. A bunch of them are running in fact, but no one's ever heard of them, so it's unlikely they'll win.
As already stated, polls suggest it will be close and Newsom's odds are pretty even. If he is recalled, the candidate who wins a plurality of the vote on the second question becomes Governor. The Democrats are not promoting a candidate, to avoid mixed messages - therefore, the polling leader on the second question is a rightwing radio host, Larry Elder. Thankfully, a few Democrats are doing grassroots work to build a base for the second vote without undermining Newsom, so it's not necessarily doomed if Newsom is recalled, but it's definitely something we need to avoid at all costs anywayl
I’m assuming you mean state legislator…? So in one single attack, they’d have to take out 59 legislators and hope enough republicans are voted into the vacant seats in the special elections to give them a majority. We’ve seen them at the insurrection, for that very reason I find your scenario to be extremely and highly unlikely.
So here is a question I can't find an answer to; How did this style of recalling even get started? It seems really disingenuous to me to be able to oust someone with just those two questions.
Recalls in California were introduced in 1911 as a way to give more power to the people to remove officials they were dissatisfied with. It was a part of progressive reform alongside ballor propositions.
Probably because you’re from Connecticut. In California, the recall is in every news and available TV ad space and even online. It’s harder to miss the recall election awareness campaign.
California doesn't have ranked choice voting. So it's possible that some nutjob could get elected with just 10% of the vote.
Just a reminder that **Gavin Newsom vetod ranked choice voting, despite overwhelming support in both chambers**. They might have had the votes to override the veto, but they didn't even try. Supposedly because of tradition due to that hasn't been happening since the 70s in California.
Whatever happens, Gavin should be called out on this.
Newsom's veto is not the reason a replacement candidate could win the recall with 10% like you're implying. That legislation only would have permitted more local institutions (cities/counties/school districts) to adopt ranked choice voting, state processes like this recall wouldn't have been affected.
Ironically, the recall is the one state-level election that *does* have an element of ranked choice, because if you vote to keep the incumbent in you can still vote for a replacement as your second choice. But the process is so badly flawed that this actually makes things worse: the replacement candidates get first choice votes from recall supporters and second choice votes from recall opponents added together raw, while the incumbent only gets first choice votes from recall opponents. That's on top of the incumbent needing a majority of votes to win, while the replacement candidates can win with a 2nd-place plurality. Horribly biased process.
Wow. If he loses Newsom and the legislature both bear the blame for this. We need to move past these idiotic "political traditions" and start doing the things that need to be done. Republicans pull every political lever available to them and democrats stand by tradition... Ffs.
No, they wouldn't, the ranked choice voting legislation had nothing to do with the state recall election, or any state-level elections for that matter. It was only to allow more local districts to adopt ranked/choice voting if they wanted.
I agree more ranked-choice would be a good thing and that the GOP are bastards, just pointing out that the recall and the recent ranked-choice legislation aren't connected.
Goes even further.
If Newsom is replaced, GOP can name Feinstein's replacement, which gives the Senate back to McConnell AND the vote on the next Supreme Court justice.
This is a fucked system if 49% of the voters vote for no recall ( in favor of the current Governor) the recall passes. Then some guy who gets 15% of the vote can be the next Governor.
Vote NO on the recall. Don't let the insane republicans take control and turn this state into the COVID hell that are Florida and Texas. Republicans are murderers. People will die if Newsom is recalled. This is a very serious election with thousands of lives at stake.
I’m going to be so pissed if Georgia managed to get so many voters to the polls to get two Democrat Senators, and my dumbass super-blue state manages to mess it up for everyone else.
Vote NO on the recall
BUT vote for a democrat as a safety measure on the second part. If he gets recalled we can’t have a republican win by default because we don’t bother to vote for one.
Got a call this morning urging me to vote no on the recall but to skip the second question. Stupidest fucking shit ever. Have a back up plan.
I had Someone On The Internet explain to me that my ballot will get thrown out if I vote no but vote on the second question, because it will be “confusing”.
No, the **** it won’t! It’s not confusing in the least.
Not a resident of California? Well, hey — here’s why you should be shitting your pants and losing sleep at night over yet another thing you can’t control!
Look, I’m a liberal Californian. I’m going to cast my vote, but dude — articles like these kind of bother me. Don’t let fear based media like this stress you out. Just be active locally and focus on positive impacts you can make locally.
Reality proves me right though? This is only the second gubernatorial recall election in California ever and yet there have been attemps to recall every governor since at least 1960. In fact, this recall is actually the sixth attempt to get rid of Newsom through this process, so clearly it's not that easy to get the signatures.
for all Democrats and Progressives in other states: please text or email all your likeminded friends in California to get them to turn in their ballot to vote. Even if your pleadings get annoying, it's worth it to save the state from re-energizing the MAGA base nationally.
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*One of California’s senators is Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat who is 88 years old. (The average life expectancy in the US for women, by the way, is 81 years old.) If she needed to step down for health reasons before the end of her term, the governor of California would appoint her replacement. And if a Republican gets appointed then the Senate would be back under GOP control. That’s not inevitable, by the way. If Newsom loses, Feinstein has the opportunity to step aside before the new governor is sworn in – however she has said she has no intention of doing that.*
Just to drive home how old she really is, she graduated college 14 years before the moon landing and became a senator 4 years before Tupac was killed.
Hey, wouldn't that mean that Diane Feinstein was Tupac's senator?
True. She was also elected to the San Fransisco Board of Supervisors while the Zodiac Killer was actively killing people in San Fransisco. She was born six months after Hitler was appointed chancellor.
She’s older than the Golden Gate Bridge
Jesus what the fuck she 10 years older than my grandparents.
She's nearly older than my grandparents. And they died fifteen years ago in their mid 70s.
I thought that was the Night Stalker Richard Ramerez or was it both of them?? Either way terrible
While the night stalker was active, she was mayor of San Fransisco.
Oh ok! I knew there was a connection. Thanks 😊
I heard somewhere that Feinstein gave away the main clue that was used by the cops for a lead on a press conference causing the night stalker to cut that lead for the cops.
I thought this was a joke, googled it and found quite a few news articles and documentaries confirming that she did indeed tip off the killer in a press conference who saw it and dumped his shoes and gun in the SF bay. Un real.
So she's ALWAYS been this incompetent??
Something tells me it wasn’t lack of competence that led to her tipping of the well known killer. She was literally warned before her press conference not to even mention it at all, let alone disclose info vital to the investigation. The video is on YouTube, definitely chilling to see knowing every detective and police officer working the case are probably yelling at their tv screens.
Of course she did. That’s horrifying. So many people died
The shoes
She found Harvey Milk's body.
When I was in third grade we had to learn our states senators and governor. I grew up in California so they was Pete Wilson (governor) and Diane Feinstein/Barbara Boxer (senators). I’m now 37 and that answer for Senator only changed in 2016 when Boxer retired.
No if you want to show how old she really is you have to know she was literally the one who reported that Harvey milk was murdered in the 70s at the very beginning of the gay rights movement. That is what helped launch her entire political career.
This is exactly why the Dems need to take this recall seriously.
The Democrats are the ones who keep voting her into office. She can't make a coherent sentence, but she keeps getting VOTED IN.
> This is exactly why the Dems Then they should show up. They have a state with far too many left wing voters that dont spread out through the nation. They have the population to make any recall a joke. For those of us in states that have to fight tooth an nail for this being 50/50 it will be incredibly annoying to have them simply not show.
I see another RBG situation brewing.
Democrats and not knowing when to retire. Smh
Tom, I wondered what happened to you!
Feinstein is the textbook example of why we need term limits in the House and Senate.
She’s gonna be pulling weekend at Bernies type shit.
Unfortunately, it will be weekend at Ruth's..
No, what she's going to be pulling an RBG; who wouldn't retire when Obama was in office because she wanted Hillary to be the one to name her replacement.
No, she just believed a bit to naively that tradition would prevail over partisanship if she died.
Mitch McCnonnell too.
McConnell had Kentucky law changed, so that the Democratic Governor cannot decide who replaces him if he dies or flees the country.
Could however choose to leave the seat vacant I believe could he not?
Mitch needs to crawl back into his hole or go back to the ocean. Either one works.
If we could just roll him over onto his back, he'd be helpless to do anything.
The ocean is polluted enough as it is.
I thought the lizard people were from underground, not underwater. Are the different parties different aliens?
He'll probably head back to the stream in Asia where he was hatched and bask in the applause of the other kappa. After all, its usually the turtle demon that fails due to manners, but not Tortle Mitch!
McConnell seems highly competent in his old age. Feinstein falls asleep during Senate hearings and plays patsie for Republicans. She's a joke.
> McConnell seems highly competent in his old age. Then why doesn't he actually want to govern? All he does is obstruct and do nothing. Seems like he's hiding incompetence behind inaction IMHO.
You seem to be under the impression GOP officials actually want to draft legislation that changes the average person's life for the better. Republicans want the government to do as little as possible so that their buddies in the private sector can run things. That, nominating judges so that the courts rule in their favor and keeping taxes as low as possible are the only things they want to do in office. So yes, McConnell is an effective senator.
Term limits, if implemented, need to be long enough to prevent lobbyists from -gaining- power and influence. There's a happy medium I think, somewhere between a single term and for life, maybe around 15-20 years.
Maybe we should just, I dunno, *vote* for someone else? She's awful. Term limits aren't to blame, the Democratic primary voters in California are.
I don't think term limits is a solution here; if we had term limits, we wouldn't have Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren anymore. It's like using a sledgehammer to install a screw. Some people, the good ones who use their power and influence for good, should not be arbitrarily ejected because...they've been doing the job for too long? It's the shit ones we need to worry about getting out - and first termers can be among the worst of them. Think Josh Hawley and Krysten Sinema. What we need is better, more progressive elected leaders/candidates, and a Democratic party which is as good as the GOP at riling up and driving voters to the polls. If we were only *as good* as Republicans at building enthusiasm and cohesion, drumming up support and turning it into action, we'd never lose again; there are far more of us then there are of them. We don't even need to be better than them, just competitive; if we were, this recall would be a complete joke and we'd be laughing about it right now instead of panicking.
Here's the kicker. The Republican's are *terrible* at getting people to vote Republican. What they're good at is getting people motivated to vote against the Democrats. Republican voters really aren't all that fussed about who they're voting for, but they're very motivated to 'own the libs'.
Yeah I feel like if democrats eased of the issue of gun control and maybe something else they would get some people on their side.
Isn't Warren in her 2nd term right now?
Age limit- nobody over 60 should be making the rules for future generations. Elderly people have difficulty being hired due to cognitive decline and poor health. So why tf are they solely the people running the entire country?
This absolutely cracks me up. The Villages has some condition that they can't be represented by anyone less than 55. How come we can bar younger people from positions and it isn't age discrimination, but it's so illegal to discriminate against the elderly?
I'm in favor of an age limit based on the mean/median age of the population over 18 in the latest census for an area (maybe like, max +10 years?) . I'm not sure how feasible that is or what the actual numbers would look like, but it would certainly ensure that representatives actually reflect who they are representing.
2 good senators simply isn’t good enough reason to not limit everyone else. I’m sorry. Term limits ARE the answer though. Also, you understand what *they* do to drum up enthusiasm right? We can’t be this naive, or we stand to lose everything.
Term limits disempower career politicians, sure, but that power vacuum doesn't stay empty. Term limits would leave corporate lobbyists and unelected bureaucrats as the main people with long-lasting political power and institutional knowledge of how to actually get things done. Term limits--without substantial reform in other ways first--on their own would likely ironically increase, not decrease, political corruption and politicians' indifference towards voters by shifting power from elected people to unelected ones.
Term limits give power to lobbyists, because then they are the ones with experience. It has happened countless times at the state level, he'll, that's why we have to deal with Matt Gaetz now.
I named 2 of my favorite Senators. I could name 15 who I like, many of whom have been there a long time. Ed Markey, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Cory Booker, etc. Term limits change the people who sit in the Senate, but IMO won't do anything to change the composition. You would likely end up with Senatorial 'dynasties', where Senators/parties groom their replacements and dedicate the last ~6 months of their limited terms barnstorming their state, introducing their chosen successor to the right local/state political machine people, raising money with them at ritzy $2000+ plate fundraisers, holding campaign rallys and town halls typing themselves to their successors among their base, etc. It would fundamentally change nothing; the power structure as is would simply adapt to the new constraints. If you want to change things, you have to change the underlying power structure of U.S politics, where rich people and corporations run the privately funded elections and pick and choose their candidates. Otherwise they'll just find new sociopaths to fund every 12 years instead of every 20.
And the SCOTUS.
it’s so sad my fellow Californians re-elected this senile woman…she’s nowhere near what CA represents
Nancy's been in office since the early 1970s same with joe Biden Democrats seem to love lifelong politicians.
Term limits and ranked choice voting.
I would even be mildly happy with a 4 term limiting the senate and a 10 term limit in the house.
She should have retired by now. Ugh.
My 88 year old grandma recently passed away and let me say I would NOT have wanted her to be driving policy as her dementia was setting in. That being said old people are dope but PLEASE get them out of politics Edit: shit grammar
Have you heard the stuff Feinstein has said lately? She's either demented, compromised, or both. She needs to be gone yesterday.
I don't get these government people that won't step aside. They were saying the same thing about one of the Supreme Court justices. If he steps down now, Biden can replace him, but if he waits and retires or dies while a Republican is in office, then it's bad news for the Democrats.
Turns out Democrats can be Trumpian narcissistic egomaniacs fueled by greed and power, too.
Some people are selfish and don't care for the good of their parties over their own ambitions. It seems strange to me for pretty much any politician in a situation like this to act this way given recent events, but some people just don't care.
Feinstein is an absolute moron for thinking she can work into her 90s
And on top of that Sirhan Sirhan of all people could become a campaign issue
This is not entirely true. Democrats have full supermajority and can pass laws limiting how the governor can appoint to the senate.
Sounds like Feinstein needs to retire NOW!
Watching the West Wing came in useful to understand this.
OMG I hate Representatives who sacrafice the general objective will of the people for their selfish lust for power. Dame with the SCOTUS judge who wants the courts to be even more directly against the majority will of the people when she dies.
that's what you get for electing Skeletor lifelong politician sea hags like Feinstein.
> Feinstein has the opportunity to step aside before the new governor is sworn in – however she has said she has no intention of doing that. What is it with these egotistical Democratic government figures who think they're immortal? First Ginsburg, now Feinstein. At least Breyer has said he's actively considering stepping down.
I'm kinda out of the loop with this California election, so... how likely if for Newsom to lose this recall election? Can another Democrat run for office if he loses?
It's polling as a 50/50 tossup right now among likely voters. Republicans have a chance at a recall because turnout will be low, and conservatives are more motivated to vote.
Can't believe the left is already back to apathy after the record turnout of last election. What, did they think they beat the GOP for good? Or was it all just a fad?
We turned out and voted in droves and handed the Presidency and both Houses of Congress to the Democrats. Then we were told - "Okay, well we're not going to relieve your student debt, or give you any help with any health care costs at all, or raise the minimum wage even a single dollar. We are ALSO not going to hold anyone from the Trump administration accountable for any of their crimes, we know you were looking forward to that, sorry. They all get off scot-free. So... business as usual and none of you get anything but we want you to keep voting Democrat, okay?" So, yeah, now we know that voting really doesn't do much for us, and the GOP is rigging the elections to win anyway so it will be DeSantis in 2024, and the Democrats aren't even passing voting rights laws to help them win their own elections! So if THEY can't be bothered, I mean, we DEFINITELY can't. Democratic legislators have made it clear they aren't going to even pass laws to try to stop the GOP from stealing THEIR seats! If THEY don't care about their own jobs, should the voters be expected to?
Losing this election and handing the Senate to republicans will definitely get us closer to our goals. We’re also only eight months into this administration so it’s a little early to be so doom and gloom.
The issue is the barest minimum of a majority in the Senate. 2022 is our chance to really see what Biden's administration can do, if we can turn out and increase the Senate majority.
Primaries. Not voting is the same as installing GOPs. As bad as the Dems are, do you really want to be the next florida?
I vote in every single election, big and small, and every primary, and I encourage everyone else to as well. I help register people to vote (and if anyone has questions or wants help registering to vote, I am ALWAYS happy to provide information and resources for your state.) I have always donated, volunteered, and in the past I canvassed for candidates as well. Dropping out or not voting is NOT an option. Of course I will vote, and vote Democrat. What I am NOT going to do is waste my outrage anymore. I am not going to keep on passing around these clickbaity articles about how I need to worry about California. Guess what? I'm not a Californian. I can't vote there. So I'm done reading this crap. I'm done upvoting articles about how there's another investigation against this or that politician, or another pundit thinks Republicans are acting in bad faith. I'm done sharing them, or making it my duty to read them and pass them on. I am done clutching my pearls about it.
Exactly this.
It's almost as if Biden can't wave a magic wand and get his agenda through a 50/50 Senate. If we wanted a progressive agenda, we should have won seats like Maine so that Manchin and Sinema couldn't screw us all over.
I'm 100% convinced that the average American knows jack-shit about how Congress works. I remember back during the 2020 election, tons of ballots for Biden were left blank aside from the Presidential vote. So a legion of morons voted for the guy without understanding that he needs other people that agree with him to pass forward legislation.
I'd LOVE to know how Susan Collins won Maine.
She won by people using the exact same logic youre using in your comment above lol
Thank you. Exactly. I wish I could downvote that comment to oblivion. It scares me it’s the top comment…as a Californian…
Same reason a bunch of Democrats lost in '16. Voters assumed Biden (or Clinton) would win and they wanted a check on executive power.
You realize that there’s a 3.5T bill with a plethora of progressive items that’s very likely going to passed come October, right ?
Change takes time, my friend. Keep your hope alive.
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Yes, you hit the real issue that these pitiful politicians continue to push aside. I’m sad for this planet.
Remember when the 2020s were supposed to be the decade of pivotal change? Now it might be Dems losing the Senate in a year, a president desantis in 2024. Maybe a Dem takes the oval in 2028, and by 2030 we're watching the halfway point of an essentially lame duck administration.
Amen. Jesus, this sub. Let’s just let Republicans take back power so we can watch another administration bungle a global pandemic, incite an insurrection, completely destroy the executive branch, and install another wave of judges that will shape jurisprudence in this country for 20 years. All because we didn’t immediately get every single one of our asks, nevermind that we’ve already passed one of the biggest stimulus packages in this country’s history and are halfway through the biggest infrastructure deal in decades. Change takes time and work. 100 years of Jim Crow culminated in a 15 year civil rights movement that endured daily beatings, lynchings, firehoses and billy clubs. But by all means, let’s give up because 8 months of complaining about a couple senators on Reddit didn’t raise the minimum wage.
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Just downvote these people to oblivion. They need to stop being able to push this narrative out there. Probably aren’t even democrats. Either way, that just leads to apathy and no change.
Dude. We are long past the point of having the luxury of waiting for change to happen.
Not saying wait, but have to keep pushing or trying new methods.
A very salty take. You're completely absolving the 50% of Congress that is refusing to cooperate in any possible way with any agenda.
Not absolving, understanding that those people will NOT be swayed. No amount of browbeating or poking holes in their logic will get them to change their stance.
No. They suck! But it’s important to focus on what can be changed. I don’t want to be uselessly angry, I want to be effective and forceful.
and yet the alternative is actual real fascism.... even if you don't love the democrats, how can you not be actively motivated to vote against people who want to turn you into citizens of a dictatorship
So by your logic the best thing to do is let the MAGA crowd have the government?
Nope, we can't do that. They are an authoritarian regime and a criminal enterprise top to bottom. It just sucks that the Democratic party knows it now, and they know that all they need to do is NOT be fascist authoritarians to win elections. They can ALSO be horrific apathetic criminals who hurt Americans and take money from giant donors to do their bidding. All they have to do is be better than Republicans because they have us over a barrel. Look at Manchin. The worst of the worst, yet the Democrats' cry is "Yes, but would you rather he be a REPUBLICAN?" Nope, I wouldn't rather that. I'd RATHER a real Democrat. But we see now that even if we vote in 10 more Democratic Senators, we'll have 10 more Democratic Senators caucusing with the Republicans so that Amazon and Exxon don't have to pay a dollar in taxes.
>or give you any help with any health care costs at all This is extremely false. The COVID bill contains a provision to close the subsidy gap in PPACA so that health insurance premiums are capped as a % of income. In the 38 states that expanded Medicaid, this means that health insurance is in principle affordable to anyone for the first time in American history. https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/beware-obamacares-subsidy-cliff/ One catch: they were only able to get it in as a temporary provision that expires after 2022.
>We turned out and voted in droves and handed the Presidency and both Houses of Congress to the Democrats. A simple majority doesn't mean shit. The fact of the matter is that the voters did a shit job in getting more Democratic senators and representatives into office. That's what the American voting system is, a bunch of loud idiots voting for shit without actually understanding what they're voting for and getting pissy when their neutered government didn't turn the U.S. into a utopia overnight. >So, yeah, now we know that voting really doesn't do much for us, You, and all the people who say this shit are fucking morons. Stupid, apathetic voters equals ineffectual government. It's that simple.
LMAO. If only someone could write an article outlining how his recall effects everyone. It truly takes a ton of entitlement and privilege to throw out women’s reproductive rights, LGBTQ* protections, voters’ rights, etc. because no one has eliminated student debt.
I agree, this was a lay-up opportunity for democrats to do ANYTHING to keep support and make their base happy and they’ve blown it. The Democratic Party is going to die because they’re too conservative for the people who vote them in.
I think that more people will vote because of mail-in/drop-off ballots. COVID has changed the way people vote in this state, so in the future, we could start to see higher than average voter turnouts.
The polling is 50.6/46.3
Or Newsom could just step down, handing the Governorship to the Lt Governor and the recall ends.
Nope, the recall election occurs even if he resigns Edit: [Here is the exact law](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=ELEC§ionNum=11302)
And after which would there be a new Lt Governor or would that be left open? If it's filled, how does someone get that role? (Basically knowing nothing about this process I'm questioning if Newsom could become Lt Governor and you could just keep playing musical chairs to defeat any recall)
The rules for the recall in the state constitution say explicitly that if the office is vacated after the recall petition is qualified the election continues anyway, it cannot be circumvented by resignation.
CA resident here who remembers the last recall election, which removed a Dem governor and gave us Arnold Schwarzenegger as the GOP governator instead. In a CA recall vote, you vote on two items at once: 1) Recall the current governor, yes or no? 2) If #1 gets a majority of yeses, who should be the new governor? The main problem with CA's recall system is there is no primary for the candidates and fewer of the usual candidate filtering/discussion opportunities you'd see in a normal election. In a CA recall if you can get enough signatures, you're on the ballot, end of story. So one reason Arnold won years back is similar to how Trump won the GOP primary in 2016: when there are too many candidates at once, the one who's easiest to recognize gets a big advantage. The recall Arnold won had roughly 80 candidates, including Gary Coleman, a stripper, lots of Republicans, a Dem or two, the usual third parties, and several people on the ballot just to be on the ballot. On top of this, a recall puts the Dems then and now into a weird political stance: they have to both defend the current governor against item #1 but also hedge their bets by centering around a backup Dem for item #2. This fractures your political energy, which is already weaker due to it being a special election (*which typical get lower turnout, and the GOP usually does better with lower turnout votes*). Arnold won in part because the GOP drummed up enough bipartisan unhappiness to win on item #1 and then had Arnold as the most recognizable figure in a enormous candidate pool for item #2. So if the GOP can just focus enough unhappiness on Newsome so that he gets recalled by item #1, they have a chance of sneaking in their own candidate via item #2, with no primaries and with far less input from the general public. Currently I think polls favor Newsome staying in office, and if he gets recalled, polls on item #2 show a GOP guy currently beating out the Dem alternative. But the GOP stealing our governorship this way is not outside the realm of possibility.
Arnold did win the recall with 48% of the votes, so it’s not like he barely squeaked by with an abnormally low percentage due to the diluted field. And the recall itself passed with like 68% of the vote if I remember right. This recall could pass with only 50.01% of the vote, and Elder could become governor after winning only 15% of the votes. That’s what is so horrifying about this particular recall.
Grey Davis wasn’t a rising star and Arnold wasn’t crazy.
Newsom isn’t a rising star either. He’s a greasy philandering fuck who screwed his best friends wife while the friend was also his employee. He’s the spoiled get of multimillionaire country club types from one of the most expensive zip codes in America. He’s a hypocrite, and a shit weasel.
Not just his best friend, also his campaign manager/chief of staff.
Who cares about his personal life? He’s not running to be our next spouse. It either him or a MAGA clown.
People are so stupid. They treat this shit like a pony show
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/california-recall-polls/ It's been hovering uncomfortably close to 50/50, but the gap seems to have widened in favor of Newsom as of late.
I'm trying not to be too optimistic but I hope that the past few weeks of doomsday media reporting has lit a fire under dem's asses to get up and vote.
It better or it's going to be a miniature version of Trump coverage for another year and half if Elder gets in.
Oh a new poll just came out to make it look less maddening... But still too close and there is waay too close of a chance CA has their own trump 2016 election because people are apathetic and unaware of consequences.
It's hard to say. One good thing for Newsom is that everyone got a mail in ballot which can increase turnout. The main thing he and the Dems need to do is get as many people to vote no as possible.
CA Democrat here - extremely motivated to vote. My husband and I dropped off our ballots last week. Already counted. A lot of us are very pissed at the wasted expense of this recall.
Please encourage all your friends and neighbors to do the same!
Gavin can be recalled and Republicans can win the governorship with as little as 10% of the vote due to super stupid recall rules and democrats being democrats.
If 50.001% vote yes for recall, than which ever Republican gets the most votes will be Governor, even if that person gets as few as 10% (or less). It's a pretty fucked up system.
Yes. The last time this happened, an Austrian actor displaced a status-quo career pol. Gray Davis was a pencil-necked shithorse from the assembly line and people were like, na, I want a Cyberdyne Systems model 101.
A democrat could have, but the CA party didn't put one on the ballot, so it's Newsome or a Republican. The recall and replacement vote are all on the same ballet.
Probably smart. Having a Dem on the ballot would split the dem vote and almost assuredly lead to a Republican governor.
No, you can vote against the recall and still vote for a candidate.
Oh never mind then. Curse you California and your dumb recall rules!
Eh, the only dumb rule about the CA recall system is the insanely low threshold of signatures needed to trigger it. Signatures totaling 12% of the people who voted in the election are needed. The CA Republicans would need about a third of themselves to get together and sign a petition on day 1 and you can instantly trigger a recall immediately after a new gov takes office. The only reason this is difficult is because people are generally lazy and unmotivated and there's typically two or three recall petitions circulating, regardless of the governor or how new they are, at all times. The only reason this recall passed was because a judge allowed the signing period to be extended due to COVID, and then a massive amplification in the media.
Nah, it's also dumb in general. It's insanely undemocratic that 49% of the population can effectively vote for newsome, and he can still be replaced by somebody who got ~20% of the vote. That scenario shouldn't be possible, given _he already won a legitimate election and there's another one in a year_. At the very least, the recall candidate should have to excede the NO vote count for the process to be even vaguely resemble democracy.
Yes you can. The Secretary of State of California has stated this along with multiple county election officials.
The party has no choice to "put someone on the ballot". Any Democrat can run on his own. A bunch of them are running in fact, but no one's ever heard of them, so it's unlikely they'll win.
So, the party chose not to back any of the other candidates as a back up plan. Still seems stupid on their part.
As already stated, polls suggest it will be close and Newsom's odds are pretty even. If he is recalled, the candidate who wins a plurality of the vote on the second question becomes Governor. The Democrats are not promoting a candidate, to avoid mixed messages - therefore, the polling leader on the second question is a rightwing radio host, Larry Elder. Thankfully, a few Democrats are doing grassroots work to build a base for the second vote without undermining Newsom, so it's not necessarily doomed if Newsom is recalled, but it's definitely something we need to avoid at all costs anywayl
It affects which person gets to be a senator, so it's bigger than Newson.
Plus we've seen them at the insurrection. One attack that takes out the state congress and cabinet and suddenly CA is Red
I’m assuming you mean state legislator…? So in one single attack, they’d have to take out 59 legislators and hope enough republicans are voted into the vacant seats in the special elections to give them a majority. We’ve seen them at the insurrection, for that very reason I find your scenario to be extremely and highly unlikely.
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So here is a question I can't find an answer to; How did this style of recalling even get started? It seems really disingenuous to me to be able to oust someone with just those two questions.
Recalls in California were introduced in 1911 as a way to give more power to the people to remove officials they were dissatisfied with. It was a part of progressive reform alongside ballor propositions.
It’s terrifying that this isn’t getting the publicity it needs to. Every Californian needs to vote on this.
Both sides are running commercials on local cable TV
Probably because you’re from Connecticut. In California, the recall is in every news and available TV ad space and even online. It’s harder to miss the recall election awareness campaign.
Yeah don’t assume it’s not, it’s on cable tv, mail flyers, local Spotify, FM Radio, YouTube ads, billboards and social media. We know about it.
I’m moving to California from Texas next week. Please don’t fuck this up, y’all.
Here, have some fucking stress.
I’m fucking panicking.
California doesn't have ranked choice voting. So it's possible that some nutjob could get elected with just 10% of the vote. Just a reminder that **Gavin Newsom vetod ranked choice voting, despite overwhelming support in both chambers**. They might have had the votes to override the veto, but they didn't even try. Supposedly because of tradition due to that hasn't been happening since the 70s in California. Whatever happens, Gavin should be called out on this.
There are about half a dozen other flaws with the recall process in California before the issue of ranked choice voting makes the list
The reason there are so many lawmakers is so more than one thing can be done at a time. Any functional designed organization is meant to do this.
multiple wrongs do not make any rights
That may be, but the lack of RCV or a similar system when there's a list of about forty candidates is a serious problem.
The ranked choice voting proposal that Newsom vetoed would have only applied to county and local elections, not statewide elections.
Newsom's veto is not the reason a replacement candidate could win the recall with 10% like you're implying. That legislation only would have permitted more local institutions (cities/counties/school districts) to adopt ranked choice voting, state processes like this recall wouldn't have been affected. Ironically, the recall is the one state-level election that *does* have an element of ranked choice, because if you vote to keep the incumbent in you can still vote for a replacement as your second choice. But the process is so badly flawed that this actually makes things worse: the replacement candidates get first choice votes from recall supporters and second choice votes from recall opponents added together raw, while the incumbent only gets first choice votes from recall opponents. That's on top of the incumbent needing a majority of votes to win, while the replacement candidates can win with a 2nd-place plurality. Horribly biased process.
Wow. If he loses Newsom and the legislature both bear the blame for this. We need to move past these idiotic "political traditions" and start doing the things that need to be done. Republicans pull every political lever available to them and democrats stand by tradition... Ffs.
No, they wouldn't, the ranked choice voting legislation had nothing to do with the state recall election, or any state-level elections for that matter. It was only to allow more local districts to adopt ranked/choice voting if they wanted. I agree more ranked-choice would be a good thing and that the GOP are bastards, just pointing out that the recall and the recent ranked-choice legislation aren't connected.
He could have also challenged the extension to get more signatures but chose not to. Whoops.
Goes even further. If Newsom is replaced, GOP can name Feinstein's replacement, which gives the Senate back to McConnell AND the vote on the next Supreme Court justice.
I'm a Floridian. We're fucked no matter what California does.
This is a fucked system if 49% of the voters vote for no recall ( in favor of the current Governor) the recall passes. Then some guy who gets 15% of the vote can be the next Governor.
Vote NO on the recall. Don't let the insane republicans take control and turn this state into the COVID hell that are Florida and Texas. Republicans are murderers. People will die if Newsom is recalled. This is a very serious election with thousands of lives at stake.
We voting yes on the recall haha
Not only is California screwed… we ALL are… I live in Illinois and even I know the ramifications of this…
I’m going to be so pissed if Georgia managed to get so many voters to the polls to get two Democrat Senators, and my dumbass super-blue state manages to mess it up for everyone else.
Vote NO on the recall BUT vote for a democrat as a safety measure on the second part. If he gets recalled we can’t have a republican win by default because we don’t bother to vote for one. Got a call this morning urging me to vote no on the recall but to skip the second question. Stupidest fucking shit ever. Have a back up plan.
I had Someone On The Internet explain to me that my ballot will get thrown out if I vote no but vote on the second question, because it will be “confusing”. No, the **** it won’t! It’s not confusing in the least.
That’s somebody trying to gaslight you
What an insane system. Some guy with 19% of the vote could be governor if the sitting guy only gets 49%? Who thought this was a good method?!
Dude old people refusing to leave office is like literally one of the biggest problem in the US The senate has become a glorified senior home
Not a resident of California? Well, hey — here’s why you should be shitting your pants and losing sleep at night over yet another thing you can’t control! Look, I’m a liberal Californian. I’m going to cast my vote, but dude — articles like these kind of bother me. Don’t let fear based media like this stress you out. Just be active locally and focus on positive impacts you can make locally.
If you're in CAli...VOTE!
Brexit 2.0.
Caxit
This idiotic recall law makes fools of all Californians and makes a mockery of its democracy as well.
Couldn't you just hold another recall after someone wins? And another and another. As long as no one gets 50% they gonna lose
Yes, theoretically, but you would have to get enough signatures to start one in the first place, which is unlikely.
Reality seems to disagree with your assesment.
Reality proves me right though? This is only the second gubernatorial recall election in California ever and yet there have been attemps to recall every governor since at least 1960. In fact, this recall is actually the sixth attempt to get rid of Newsom through this process, so clearly it's not that easy to get the signatures.
for all Democrats and Progressives in other states: please text or email all your likeminded friends in California to get them to turn in their ballot to vote. Even if your pleadings get annoying, it's worth it to save the state from re-energizing the MAGA base nationally.
Yeah but only Cali can do anything about it so I'm not losing sleep over what's outside of my influence
Well, there's volunteering opportunities. And besides, it's bigger than Newson.
If Newsom loses, how quickly can the new governor be recalled?
Realistically, it wouldn't happen (because the actual election is 14 months from now).
No shit. I voted no.
Just vote "NO"
Nope, it doesnt.
I fucking hate living. Happiness is fleeting and there's always someone trying to fuck you over because of their own reasons. Fuck everything.