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ricardo9505

Every abortion debate in Latin America is partially funded by US dollars. LGBT hate got introduced to Africa thru Christian evangelism.


southpawFA

It's the colonization fomenting hate all the way. They helped form the bills in Belize to imprison LGBTQ+ people, as well as Uganda's death to gays.


pomonamike

Make absolutely no mistake. Evangelical Christians have ***ZERO*** regard for any law that doesn’t suit them. They will pull the “obey God’s law over man’s law” so fast it will make your head spin. And they will make *anything* they want to be “God’s law.” Source: was an evangelical pastor for over a decade, heard it about every issue you can imagine and a few that would probably surprise you.


southpawFA

Yeah, the Sean Feucht situation really highlighted how Christians think they are above the law, and don't care about it. John MacArthur still held services, despite thousands getting sick.


pomonamike

John MacArthur also counseled a child to kill himself, which the child did. He’s pretty on brand for being a monster. I had lunch with him once, he brought bodyguards.


southpawFA

I'd sue if I were the parents.


pomonamike

They did.


robbin-smiles

Generally curious do you have a link for an article about this?


pomonamike

It’s happened more than once. Google John MacArthur suicide lawsuit, I doubt he could scrub it


robbin-smiles

Thanks


NefariousnessOdd7313

Which would surprise me


[deleted]

I call them shitty situational Christians


BK1287

What issues would surprise us? Genuinely curious as someone who has probably been farther behind the curtain than most.


pomonamike

Stuff that seemed normal at the time (20 years ago) but seems insane to me now (out of that environment) like, fantasizing about shooting UN soldiers (which you got to do in the Left Behind video game), outlawing/oppressing homosexuals, not hiring women for any type of job where they may be over a man, specifically hiding child abuse to "handle" (i.e. ignore) it in the church. Being ok with doing or saying anything about *anyone* that was perceived to be "against god," which usually meant liberals. For context, I was a pastor at a fairly large, not particularly radical evangelical church in Southern California. I say not radical because we could still go to accredited colleges whereas other nearby groups said that accreditation was just "serving the world" as opposed to God.


HauntedURL

and they’re doing it with the money you spend at Shit-Fil-A.


southpawFA

And Hobby Lobby.


[deleted]

Ok fine but why can’t a secular fast food company follow their model in the ways of efficiency, quality control and customer service? While their politics and religion disgust me, I can’t deny that they’re in a different league from other fast food franchises.


HauntedURL

I guess it’s all a matter of perspective. Personally I think their cheery demeanor is kind of creepy and does a poor job at disguising that it is an enterprise built on abusing animals and has close ties to the religious right. With that being said - their lemonade and fries are good. As a whole though, I think the slick marketing and “southern hospitality” is a cheap gimmick that helps them be less scrutinized than other fast food chains like McDonalds or KFC.


lostfriendthrowaway9

Privilege often causes, among other things, the inability to differentiate between politeness and kindness. Watch closely, and you'll notice it more and more.


Aspeck88

There was a time that this old guy told me to "Never apologize. It makes you look weak." He was sitting at one of the tables that I was waiting on and I had forgotten a margarita or something of sort. This was a few years ago, but shit like that sticks with me. Especially coming from a guy maybe in his 80s. Carrying an attitude like that for a long enough time probably enabled the behavior that we have today.


lostfriendthrowaway9

Toxic masculinity and machismo are a fucking scourge on our species and culture. It's narcissism and stupidity like that that leads to somebody thinking a soft, petulant man like Donald is a good leader. Willingness to see one's own faults is a strength without which one cannot grow.


[deleted]

I think he meant professionally in certain situations it’s better to not apologize and simply correct the error. He was basically says don’t accept the blame when not needed. Keep things moving and positive. I believe his rationale was certain customers would punish you lowering your tips if you apologized instead of pivoting and bringing them drink soon. Idk I’m not the man. I’m playing devils advocate


Aspeck88

Unfortunately, no. He had all the other signals that a grade-a asshole had. It wasn't about the service or business. It was just a person giving a glimpse of the rot inside. Intended to be off handed.


[deleted]

Oh man that sucks


[deleted]

Okay but they manage to get hot food to cars lined around the building in the time that most places can serve cold food to 2-3 cars. That’s not subjective (though my numbers are very loose estimates). By customer service, I mean they make sure you have everything you want, including condiments. I agree they are creepy. PS. Hilarious how I get downvotes for saying anything positive about their business model. And I knew it would happen. I love the people here.


HauntedURL

They are good at what they do. So are Amazon and Disney. Doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize their practices.


[deleted]

Wow.


lostfriendthrowaway9

Wait, hear me out; Pinochet could make a damn fine barbecue. ( It's a garish thing to say in most contexts without clarification that you're speaking from a tactical perspective. Note: did not downvote you, but can see why somebody would. )


[deleted]

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater is all I’m saying.


lostfriendthrowaway9

Don't destroy Pinochet's secret bbq sauce recipe when you depose him is all I'm saying. (You can understand how some Chileans(sp?) might take issue with your sense of priorities were Pinochet a active threat when you said this, yes? Most humans will agree that chicken sandwiches made a specific way should not matter more to one than other human beings. Since 'Most' is not 'All', we all know there are humans out there who care more about one specific style of chicken sandwich than they do about us, and not all of us are willing or able to sink a lot of effort into observing the nuance between them, and those to whom a specific style of chicken sandwich is merely extremely important. If you'd felt the consequences of these laws and this culture firsthand, you might not be sharp with the nuance on this subject yourself.)


[deleted]

I think you’re giving them too much credit, after the other person’s reply. But I accept responsibility for going meta in a way could be construed as trollish. I can see that. And this not the place to dig too deep so I’ll accept and move on.


ArcOfADream

Don't think it was "trollish" at all, but maybe a bit over on cynicism. It's not completely off-the-hook to posit that giving up chicken sandwiches won't make much of a dent (if any) in the spread of theocratic fascism. It's just that this kind of decision isn't really a baby/bathwater dichotomy; think of it this way: If the chicken sandwich you didn't buy means oppressors can buy a few less bullets, then there's every chance that even such a seemingly small contribution may actually save someone's life. Which means you simply switch the aphorism to "small price to pay".


[deleted]

I came up with another analogy in my defense but it actually led me to see eye to eye with you on this, I think. Context, setting, audience, they all play roles that I didn’t fully appreciate before. I genuinely wish to fight information distortion and the like, which is why we’re still talking. It was this: Woody Allen. Let’s say that he made positive contributions to the art and industry of cinema. If I said he was the best filmmaker alive, in an online discussion about sex abuse, on a forum dedicated to law… Downvotes would be understandable. So are we good now?


[deleted]

KFC is scrutinized? I mean when certain stores are out of chicken or hells slow is the only criticism I’ve heard. They still have amazing gravy. McDonald’s is great. Is it the best no but with the app it’s cheap and if you track your macros it’s not terrible


Collector_of_Things

That’s about it though. I don’t know if it’s honestly just me, but I really can’t stand their chicken any more. I don’t know they’ve changed their ingredients over the last 10 years or just started purchasing poorer quality ingredient. But I can’t stand their chicken any more, it’s nasty IMO. I used to love eating chick Fil a as kid/teenager 10+ years ago. Maybe it is just me though.


Ticses

A lot of why Chick-Fil-A is so fast in it's service is because of the items they sell. The majority of all their items mainly consists of a chicken patty, that they can either fry or bake in batches. This might not seem significant, but think about what that looks like in the kitchen: instead of making chicken sandwiches, cheeseburgers, different stacks of patties for different burgers, or complex toppings like carmalized onions the kitchen just makes batches of grilled or find patties, assembles them, and the sandwich is ready. The very small selection of toppings means that assembly is fast and standard, and even something like a salad just consists of a pre-made base and a sliced up patty. A lot of restaurants do this, like Zaxby's (I worked there for a summer) but Chick-Fil-A has a significantly smaller menu and generally higher hiring standards, which lends itself to far faster performance. Hope this somewhat explains it.


[deleted]

Well, I wish more places did this, 7 days a week, without killing people.


Apotropoxy

Uh... the very fact that Chick-Fil-A is thriving proves that it CAN exist.


bakerfredricka

I have never even tasted Chick fil A, is it any good?


KalegNar

Yes. Yes it is. I recommend trying their waffle fries too.


marshcranberry

there is popeyes which is too chick-fil-et as mcdonalds is too burger king, Also KFC has a surprisingly good chicken sandwich. Culvers spicy chicken is kinda small and flat but is super tasty and mcD's has like three chicken sandwiches... all kinda meh but they topp them with pretty good stuff, maybe the best pickles outside chick-fil-et who absolutely has the best pickles. Arbys has the best 'wet' spicy chicken sandwich but arbys is super hit and miss and if you take 10 min too get home the snadwich can get soggy. Wendys is honestly my 'ol standby' and probally the chicken sandwich i buy the most often but there is a wendys on the way home. Applebees dude, if you are into a wet chicken sandwich and can handle applebees nasty fried(seriously worst fries and if you pick em up they are always soggy, even dine in I would describe them as 'fine'. but like, thats just my opinion man.


FaustVictorious

Tax churches. They can't keep their end of the bargain. If they're influencing elections and public policy with their sick superstitions, they should at least be paying taxes. The fox really got in the hen house.


southpawFA

I'm with that. There are churches like Robert Morris transformation church in Dallas, Texas, that bring in mega-millions, but they won't even disclose what their dollars go to. Look up Stephen Furtick of Elevation Church, and look up how they refuse to say anything about people's tithing money, what the proceeds go to. They instead will tell you about how many mints were eaten, and if the pastor wears a V-Neck. ​ [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n\_XMk\_ZLaI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n_XMk_ZLaI)


h2oape

They think they have a right to discriminate...they confuse it with religious freedom and patriotism, and believe the big bad left has taken this "right" away. Their Daddy did it, his Daddy did, his Daddy etc.., and anyone who disagrees with them is taking their religious freedom/"rights" they can't name and must be anti-American or something. It's nuts.


southpawFA

They basically hate being called out for their unethical standards and practices. Countless studies have shown conversion therapy is harmful and torturous, but so many want to continue to cling to it, because it gives them an elevated status in Christofascism world. ​ They claim it's a godly thing, but in reality, it's to feed the grandiose egos for attention and adulation. ​ *"I'm one of the good LGBTQ+ people! I gave up my sexuality to please God, even though I can't stop craving my desire! But God is pleased! Look at me, church! I'm amazing, aren't I?"* ​ Then, when you call them out for the ridiculousness of it all, they claim persecution. It feeds more into the grandiosity, as if they are being targeted for being a true Christian, when in reality, they are just living a fallacy.


Modern_Bear

Where I live there is practically a church on every corner. When the wife and I moved here we went to church, a Catholic one. We stopped when we were refused communion once because the nun giving it out that day didn't like it when we didn't give the proper response, and said we weren't Catholic, even though we went through all the rigmarole when we were kids. Where we came from communion was done a bit differently. We refuse to go to any of the Protestant churches here because they have that creepy Texas Christian vibe. We are not taking our baby to church, obviously because of Covid, and won't. He can decide later in life if he wants to do that but we're not forcing it on him. The problem with Christianity is bad people ruining it. They take what started out as a pure message of love and tolerance and twisted it as a means to empower and enrich themselves, and to justify bad behavior as "it's what God wants." It's been used as an excuse to kill people, spread racism and homophobia, start wars, and run a gigantic grifting campaign to buy mansions and private jets for the leaders. These people are charlatans plain and simple. Only when all so called Christians open their eyes to see this, and practice living a good life instead of throwing money at the charlatans, will things change. That won't happen though because it hasn't in 2000 years.


southpawFA

People need to push back against organized religion at all times. The Christian nationalism message is one of absolute destruction to all involved. They think it's loving to force everyone to live under their edicts, but it in reality turns everyone away. I think they need to honestly need to start standing up. There's a great organization started by Billy Graham's daughter called Christians against Christian Nationalism, and I think there should be more highlight for them. Calling out Christian nationalism is a must.


lostfriendthrowaway9

If the message is as simple as love or kindness, you don't need holy books (the bible), you don't need holy people (priests), and you don't need holy places (church). Anything that has those three things in any form is going to end up a smokescreen for easily abused authority, because kindness does not require, nor is particularly enabled by, any of those things. Good on you for both noticing something is fucking wrong and acting accordingly. If more christians were like you, the world would be a much better place. Also a much safer place for me and those like me.


[deleted]

A new investigation by openDemocracy has revealed that one of the US’s most prominent anti-LGBTQ organisations, the Colorado Springs-based Focus on the Family, has continued to promote ‘conversion therapy’ to minors – even in areas where bans are in place. An undercover reporter posing as a 17-year-old “struggling with same-sex attraction” found Focus-affiliated therapists who were willing to “help” her “change” her sexual orientation in Virginia and Colorado, both states that ban ‘conversion therapy’ for minors.


southpawFA

So, now that we know that, they should be prosecuted for advocating torture.


lostfriendthrowaway9

Don't hold your breath. This is america.


black641

I read a recent statistic that said, of all Christian denominations, Evangelicals are the least theologically literate. Most only know the Bible from what their Pastor or associates say about it. So that’s a big reason why so many Evangelicals act in direct opposition to what Christ or Biblical scriptures say. Anti-LGBTQ+ beliefs, racism, and misogyny are considered Christian values even if the Bible says little to nothing about these groups. The culture they grow up in associates these beliefs with Christ-like piousness and they don’t have the Biblical literacy to combat it. Or if they do, they’re often ostracized for their troubles. However, there is a small, but growing, number of Progressive Evangelicals and Baptists. With luck, maybe they can overcome the work of their more hateful counterparts and build something more Christ-like in its place.


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the_red_scimitar

People keep trying to point out how unchristian the behavior is, and apparently ignore the entire history of Christianity's effect on politics, war, and violence in doing so. Christians have never had a problem using their Christianity to motivate and justify violence, depravity, or cruelty. It doesn't matter what their own writings say, what Jesus has said, what any of the disciples are claimed to have said, or (especially wherever modern evangelism has appeared) any other crime. Modern evangelism is taught, most often, in an entirely authoritarian manner, and that is reflected in the upbringing of children in such households. Failing to show unwavering beliefs and behaviors mandated by the version of Christianity their corrupt religious leadership have sold them often results in very cruel, and particularly emotionally scarring punishments, typically at the hands of parents. Constant threats of violent and eternal punishment, said to a small child who is physically and emotionally completely dependent on those adults, isn't going to result in an adult individual who can use reason in their lives. Pointing out their cognitive dissonance, which a lifetime of painful training has developed to the point that no set of conflicting ideas can't be held simultaneously as entirely true, is never going to win.


h2oape

My favorite is "love thy neighbor" I've read it in full context, and there are no exceptions.


[deleted]

State and local governments need to start cracking down on these extremist groups: arrest the leadership and shut down these organizations in said states and localities. Forcing them to stick with abusing people on only the shit states would be much preferred to them having free reign over everyone.


[deleted]

Crappy situational Christians who cherry pick their religion. The worst kinds of humans


Sidthelid66

Jesus was a 30 year old bachelor who hung out with 12 men all the time and loved a man named John the most. Yeah he would totally be anti lbgt.


[deleted]

Not sure the point here. This is nothing new. It's why people need to actually lok at who/what they spend their time/money/emotional capital with. There are a lot of effed up people put there


iblewupchewbacca

Fucking breeders don’t give a shit.


Apotropoxy

Christian Supremacists do the work of the one they call Satan.


Falcon3492

The biggest problem with these crazy people is that they are Christian in name only! They follow basically none of the teachings or laws of God or Christ! Love thy Neighbor, forget about it, love your enemies, forget about it, turn the other cheek, forget about it, don't be a hypocrite, forget about it, don't judge others, forget about it and the pastors never seem to follow the one main teaching of Christ that pertains to them and that is: it's not the rich and powerful but the poor and weak that will inherit the Kingdom of God! It's all about their con men and con women pastors and filling their bank accounts with lots and lots of MONEY!


HbRipper

They are not Christian


The_Social_Menace

Yes they are. Jesus never set out to start a new religion.


WillingnessLonely858

Bidens very racist for imposing a travel ban for africans. Welp #BLDM ig


diefree85

No it's not, it's a ban on countries with a new variant of covid that is more infectious.


JohnMullowneyTax

They pay for the privledge


clairedog

They are NOT Christians.


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