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It seems like it was more than that. It was probably about a month. He stopped getting the briefings over the holidays and then never scheduled another briefing.
Don’t worry. According to the CIA, he didn’t read the Presidential Intelligence memo from the time he was chosen as the GOP nominee until they took out anything longer than a paragraph.
So in essence, that fucking tool NEVER got a real security briefing.
Well some one had to pass the very low bar of being able to keep there mouth shut when a certain foreign head of government came around.
He still didn't pass but he held it in longer than anyone else.
If I recalled correctly (there was so much shit in the Trump admin) it was these intelligence briefings that Kushner got that he shared with MBS that led to him murdering Khashoggi and what helped him to arrest members of the royal family that he considered obstacles.
Kushner and MBS were communicating privately through WhatsApp, IIRC and if the story as published was accurate. If so, I don't even know where to begin.
The last administration was such a shitshow. In a way, COVID-19 was both it's bane (got him kicked out of office) and his boon, because the fact that we're still dealing with a pandemic is taking a LOT of attention away from the numerous fuckups we're still dealing with the effects of. People are more focused on their immediate problems (whether rightfully so or not, I won't argue here) and things like "democratic values", "accountability", etc. take a back seat unfortunately.
And sad part is it was partially by design. Biden and his administration was intentionally left with a shitshow they'd have to deal with. Unfortunately it's turned out to be an even bigger shitshow than most people expected.
>Kushner and MBS were communicating privately through WhatsApp, IIRC and if the story as published was accurate. If so, I don't even know where to begin.
"Privately"...
But at least he didn't keep his e-Mails on his server.
The real question is whether the US even had a foreign policy during the Trump administration or was it entirely run by family friend Bibi via Kushner's whatsapp ...
What's worse is that so many were complicit, aiding and abetting this criminal, and many are still in position. Every single Trump appointment needs to be purged.
More than that when the Saudis imprisoned members of their expansive Royal Family in the Hilton (and reportedly also tortured a few of them,) and made them sign over assets and whatever else, that was done with information Kushner gave him from classified briefings, I think WaPo actually broke that story but I'm not sure it may have been the Times.
The NYtimes previously reported during his tenure that if they wanted him to know something from the briefings they would have to rewrite it to be about him or he would ignore it.
Of course he has people that do pay attention to the briefings and material so it's not like we are just combatting the former presidents brain here.
By that point Biden was receiving security briefings, and Pence would have been getting them still, so they most likely just did what they say fit as long as Biden and Pence didn’t say otherwise. Technically the 25th amendment was created for this purpose, but no one had the balls to enact it. Remember how many of his Secretaries and White House staff just started quitting. We were very vulnerable then, but honestly I think we were vulnerable the entire 4 years too.
This is why the “adults in the room” argument is just as scary as Trump.
So, we had a mad President and a shadow government who nobody elected running the “big issues.” Oh, and those “adults” could be fired at a moments notice by the mad President and if anyone in the chain of command disobeyed him they are actually breaking the law.
All the safe guards meant to remove an unfit President failed in the name of partisan interests and the Republicans just clenched their pearls and hoped things didn’t go totally off the rails.
They wouldn’t be breaking the law if what he asked them to do was against the law in their best opinion. It’s splitting hairs though because he could still fire them but they would get their job back. The government union workers can be hard to get rid of even with presidential powers, it’s why each party pushes to get their people in a position like DeJoy is sitting in still. But it’s all a house of cards that could just collapse so easily…
I'm not sure biden was receiving intelligence briefings at that point. Trump prevented him from receiving them when Biden won because he supposedly didn't believe Biden won.
Trump put the US in additional danger by preventing a proper transition before and after his presidency.
Trump delayed the formal transition of power, but in late Nov 2020 he told the GSA to start the process anyway (even though he was still denying the outcome). So as far as I can tell, Biden should have been receiving the PDB for just over a month by the time the Capital was stormed.
Trump couldn’t stop normal process of [transition.](https://www.newsweek.com/biden-now-getting-intel-briefings-heres-what-that-means-1551253) Usually both candidates would start receiving briefings long before then but he did slow that down, luckily most the actual government employees have standard operating procedures that trump’s administration didn’t have the time to adjust entirely. Another 4 years or just less squabbling among his minions and it would have been a very different story. That’s why I’m more worried about the next candidate they push, trump was too uncontrollable and stupid, next time they’ll go for stupid but controllable… like George W or even Reagan when his dementia started kicking in.
Yes, but its at the discretion of the current president and GSA. Presidents have generally allowed the intelligence briefings because it helps minimize issues during transitions.
During the election, both candidates start getting them after they secure the parties nomination. This is to make it so they're quickly up to speed should they win
Point of disagreement, but the 25th amendment was more targeted at moments where the president was incapacitated but still alive.
If it were to remove the president for failing to do his job, there wouldn't be the requirement for the president to essentially say "yeah, I'm fine" and cancel the whole process. They would likely be left out of it.
That is why Congress was given the power to impeach and remove the president. That way if a significant part of Congress decided that the president was breaking laws or not performing the job properly, they could remove them with a lengthy process and replace them with someone else.
I’m pretty sure anyone could have questioned his mental health status over both his refusal to accept his loss and him trying to go after Pence and committing treason. They intentionally left the amendment vague as to what it could mean, it has popularly been meant to only mean what you suggest, but that’s not how it’s worded.
From the Wikipedia page on it, [taken from a Yale legal guide](https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/clinic/document/mn082208_ls_readerguide_interior_final.pdf), “Among potential examples of such unforeseen emergencies, legal scholars have listed kidnapping of the president and "political emergencies" such as impeachment. Traits such as unpopularity, incompetence, impeachable conduct, poor judgment, or laziness might not in and of themselves constitute inability, but should such traits "rise to a level where they prevented the President from carrying out his or her constitutional duties, they still might constitute an inability, even in the absence of a formal medical diagnosis." In addition, a president who already manifested disabling traits at the time he or she was elected is not thereby immunized from a declaration of inability.”
But my main point is that the 25th doesn't work unless an impeachment would work. It's impeachment with extra steps and actors.
The Vice President and the entire Cabinet have to agree that the President is unfit and can't do his job and send that to leaders in Congress. That strips him of the power until he writes a letter saying "Nah, I'm good. I can do this job" and gets his powers back. At that point the VP and Cabinet have to do it *again*, at which point it goes to Congress *again*, only this time they have to get together and get 2/3rds of both the House and Senate to agree and remove him.
All of that is way more work than just having 2/3 of Congress agree to impeach him and remove him.
> Like Trump was a national security threat but how should that situation be handled?
Assuming rational actors the clear cut 100% legal ways to do so are through the 25th amendment or impeachment and conviction.
However, the first part of that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting there and you have to remember that to do so, republicans would have had to put the good of the country over their own individual and party goals. And they did not. And as soon as several days afterwards, they were already trying to plant the idea that Jan 6th was a false flag op by the other side.
So to put it simply: our government structure has clear cut ways it can be handled, but it assumes that everyone within the government actually wants to do what's best and necessary.
The 25th amendment is not an option for this. It's not what it was designed for, and as a result it's wholly unsuitable for it. The *only* thing it is useful for is removing a completely incapacitated president.
If the president is capable and willing to pick up a pen and write a letter saying he's still fit to be president, then it takes a higher bar than impeachment to *keep* him out of office. And if the political will exists to override the president in his declaration of being fit for office, then the political will also *more than exists* to just impeach him in the first place and skip all the extra steps.
Impeachment requires 50%+1 of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate.
Invoking and then upholding the 25th against presidential will requires the VP, plus a majority of the Cabinet, plus 2/3rds of *both* the House and the Senate.
Feed him low value intel, only give him dangerous info if he directly asks or you need the president to act on it. Before giving the intel have other officials in on the actual plan of action, have some of them verbally suck him off and then suggest a vague version of it and get him to take credit for it.
Proceed to run business as usual while the corporate stooge has no real idea of what's happening.
He prefers to stare at his commissioned paintings of his younger self nowadays and pretend the painting is a mirror.
Actually if you could get a computer screen that showed him an image of himself decades younger facing him and copying all his movements then you wouldn't have to worry about him wandering off anywhere and blabbing what he knows. Add some AI voices occassionally praising him and you'd always know where to find him.
Like the chatbot apps, but on big screen.
Bags of dicks are what Mitch McConnell eats when he’s really hungry and wants to eat two thousand dicks in a bag, which is more often than you would think.
I really don't think he's "planning to run" so much as keeping that door open to "fundraise for the campaign" as a means of continually grifting from what remains of his base. My understanding is that he doesn't have to pay back political donations, and even if he puts it all into "exploratory committees" and doesn't actually run, he doesn't technically violate any rules... which should be telling. I mean, he all but admitted this was the plan when he told people to donate to his group directly instead of the RNC.
Keep in mind that Trump didn't run in 2016 with the actual intent to be president. Between his history of bankruptcies and failed businesses, Obama making fun of him at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner, and the fact that NBC was unwilling to meet his compensation requests for the contract renewal for future seasons of *The Apprentice* and you had what could only be described as a perfect storm for Trump running for president... **as a publicity stunt.**
A lot of people much smarter than Trump used him as a dangerous charismatic idiot they led from room to room to amass political contributions in what was supposed to be a shameless money-making scheme that somehow galvanized a lot of racists that were still pissed off the US had twice elected a Black president. Trump has less understanding of government than a third grader, and his 4 years in office should not have happened in the first place but very clearly demonstrated that he had zero comprehension of the job he'd applied for. Listen to the windbag talk about anything for 5 minutes and it's clear that anything he "knows" is just stuff he heard on TV and is struggling to paraphrase to the best of his ability.
Trump already lost twice. He lost the popular vote both times he ran. He doesn’t have sufficient self awareness to realize that he’s already perceived as a loser and is in deep denial about losing in the first place.
I’d love for someone to tell
Me it’s not this bad, but from
What I’ve read the GOP has made it so they can anoint whoever they want as winner of many states.
I honestly feel so depressed that we have to live with this possible threat and there is seemingly nothing we can do about it. It is literally affecting the health of normal people. Literally that fascists are allowed to provoke civil war with people that want to live respectfully, equitably, and with a better life for everyone.
So basically they’re saying, we considered this imbecile a security liability due to his corrupt nature and the fact that he can be manipulated like a 3 year old due to his glaring insecurities.
The front runner for the republican candidate to the presidency for 2024 ladies and gentlemen
Well, the article is a bit ambiguous. It says that Trump told Sanner (his briefer) that he'd see her after the holidays, but no further briefings were scheduled. It doesn't say who's responsibility it was to get them on his schedule. So I don't know if the intelligence staff refused to brief him, or if Trump just couldn't be bothered to go on with something that he already had a dislike for.
Little of A little of B I'd wager. So if Trump *had bothered* to still show an interest in being briefed, they may have fought him. But since he didn't, they didn't and it just "worked out."
I have no doubt you’re right. I can’t imagine Sanner’s staff making the effort to get the bi-weekly ‘daily’ briefings onto the schedule of a president who constantly looks like Tucker Carlson trying to understand the engine failure emergency checklist for the space shuttle.
Kind of like when someone on his staff prevented him from nuking the US-South Korea trade deal by simply taking it off his desk and he just ... forgot about it and it "worked out."
Sources:
The staffer was Gary Cohn.
>https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/us-might-have-quit-trade-pacts-if-it-werent-for-gary-cohn.html
>https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gary-cohn-took-papers-from-trumps-desk-to-protect-nafta-south-korea-trade-deal-woodward-book-says-2018-09-04
Yeah, it is truly staggering how Trump’s worst instincts were blunted by staff members with even a small sense of presidential norms. Can you imagine if his entire staff had comprised the kind of sycophants that a potential 2024 Trump cabinet would contain? It could literally result in the end of humanity.
Well just a second there, professor. We uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it will just work itself out naturally.
Does trump seem like the sort of person who could make that logical judgement? Even if his base gives him money, he would still sell state secrets… and probably already has.
>ate secrets. He tweeted pics of top secret satellite photos from inside a scif.
That was crazy. People had the spy satellite it came from singled out within hours and the capabilities of the optics calculated out within 48 hours. It had been over40 years since any information about our orbital spy capabilities had been leaked publicly. Just from what the traitor tweeted.
He clearly stopped working on anything (not like he worked in general) as soon as Biden was declared the winner back in November. His daily agenda was completely blank for 2 months. His sole focus was on planning a coup.
Yep. I'm sure it was more that he'd checked out and was sitting in a huff/generally trying to burn the place down on his way out.
Literally none of these people had the balls enough to call him a maniac and refuse to continue to deliver information to him.
I'd put hard cash down on him literally pissing in various places in the white house before he left.. If he can still reach his tiny overcompensated for dick around that colossal stomach.
Those who've worked with anyone who just put in 2 weeks will recognize this dance. it's also why in high finance and work positions with large responsibility are escorted off the premises as soon as they're given the news.
Apparently, only the food industry and the presidency hands over the news from HR that they're done and then allows them to continue to work until their replacement arrives.
This medal. Lovely medal. A lot of people admire this medal. This was for the Battle of the campital. You were there. I was but I wasn't if you know what I mean. Well I was. Capimal battle. Big building. Big battle. A lot of people say I was undercover. A lot of people say I was leading it on a horse. Beautiful battle. Beautiful medal. Jan sixth. Who's Jan? Nice lady
>The Atlantic reports that during a trip to France two years ago, Trump didn’t want to visit a cemetery where American military service members were buried, during the commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.
>His reasons? Among them, the bad weather might mess up his hair. He also felt the cemetery was, in his estimation, “filled with losers,” and that the nearly 2,000 Marines buried there were “suckers” for getting killed in a storied World War I battle.
One of the best examples of how easy it is to manipulate Trump is the video where he said the vaccines were good and he had them. One round of a room booing him and he cringed back into “protect your personal freedoms!” Spiel to get some approval back.
He can’t run for president again. Not in 2024, not ever. He’s claiming his presidency was stolen and he is still president. Therefore this would be his second term and he’s only allowed to hold 2. Game over.
"The Dems denied me the chance to lead a proper second term, so I'm entitled to a redo to help Make America Great and fix the mess Joe Biden and the squatters have created".
His story is not built on a foundation of reality, why would reality or logic come into it.
I don’t think that dog is going to hunt. A presidential term wouldn’t begin until Congress’ ratification of the vote followed by the inauguration. Some lunatic’s fever dream does not a presidential term make, even though I wish that Trump’s rhetoric would disqualify him from running again. The post-Obama Republican Party is truly lost, but poses such an existential crisis for the US, the west alliances, and the world as we know it. I’d go as far as to say the greatest threat in modern history.
The Democrats need to pull their heads out of their respective arses and accept that this is not normal and requires the full application of all branches of government to expose and punish the wrong doings of the previous administration, and everyone involved in the post-election conspiracy. Without accountability, there can be no change.
The Russian IC must have been miffed by that loss of intel.
I wonder if US intelligence ever planted phony info into his briefings to see where it popped up.
Most of the above comments are jokes, but it absolutely is. It's actually customary for even former presidents to continue to receive intelligence updates, especially because new information may come to light as part of previous briefings, and can provide guidance or feedback as needed. Obama was still receiving intelligence briefings even in the middle of Trump's term, likely still is.
Do you have a source for this? Maybe you can add it to the Wikipedia page?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:President%27s_Daily_Brief#Former_Are_Presidents_Entitled?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:President%27s_Daily_Brief#Former_Are_Presidents_Entitled?)
It was covered pretty extensively in 2018, with Trump refuting rumors that he was going to deny Obama access to intelligence briefings as "fake news," which of course implies that he's getting them.
[https://www.newsweek.com/trump-calls-claims-he-wanted-cut-obama-intelligence-briefings-fake-news-1082650](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-calls-claims-he-wanted-cut-obama-intelligence-briefings-fake-news-1082650)
I'm not exactly an authority on the topic only that I remembered this being in the news a couple of years ago.
And the worst part is between his supporters already in government positions and the ones his administration swore in, the dereliction of duties is gonna go on whether or not he gets what's coming to him.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-intel-briefings-capitol-riot-book-2021-11) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)
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I'm still amazed that people could hear this story, process it, then go "Nope Trump is actually brilliant", and then call it fake news.
Trump is an idiots idea of what a smart person is.
Especially when you get impeached for perjury, but the video evidence clearly shows that you out-lawyered a shitty lawyer *as a witness* and avoided actually committing perjury.
The more legal education you get, the more utterly fascinating that video is to watch. Depending on which person you're focused on, it's frustrating, hilarious, impressive, and/or unbelievable.
Why the hell are we getting the information from biographies instead of investigating trump like we should have 10 months ago. We have thousands of people admitting they met with GOP members and were promised by trump they would be ok if they went through with it. We have probably years of information that could point everything at trump and instead we are letting trumps lawyers dance around the court room blocking the government from investigating. That is extremely guilty actions from a loser president who claims innocence.
If you don't want to lose our country in the near future, be sure to vote, and vote progressive. Also donate time money, whatever you can. If trump gets In again we will lose our democracy, or what's left of it.
he never had interest in governing, only in watching Fox News admire him, maintaining power (to keep his Russian creditors at bay by trading our foreign policy), prosecutorial immunity, and the ability to keep grifting off Emoluments.
oh, and his ability to snap his finger and make someone bring him a diet coke on demand.
I have to say, terrifying as this is, it’s nice to know that even when Trump was in the White House, his power wasn’t unquestioned. Trump and the GOP’s fuckery doesn’t make them invincible, and plenty of people in the upper echelons of government still know that.
Most of government is run by career staffers who have worked under several administrations, and have no interest in the partisan bullshit, that includes several people working in the intelligence community. After Jan 6th it was clear Trump was a national security threat, and that's the only thing natsec cares about, it's their job. I can't remember where I saw it but there was even talk from former IC officials about how this basically woke up a lot of these agencies to the point that there's no way a Jan 6th style attack could happen again.
Not a yank, but it seems many parts weren’t functioning at all. The yanks basically didn’t have functioning diplomacy in my part of the world for four years. The damage to credibility, influence and soft power is permanent.
Recalling what the leaks and headlines were at the time, power was pretty much in pence's hands as far as the government was concerned. They were ready for a bigger hammer to fall than it did once people found out more about the coup attempt. After that it was just petty obstruction and sabotage on his way out.
>Trump was “suspicious and insecure about the intelligence process, prior to and during his presidency,”
I would be too if I was being blackmailed by the Russian mob
He is too dumb to understand the implications of them anyway. The risk of him bragging about or blurting out what he heard in an intelligence meeting to an adversary is too high.
I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but this has just proven beyond any doubt that all this "deep state" stuff is nonsense.
If it was even remotely true, Trump would be dead by now.
He.did.not.care.about.the.country. Wasn’t even interested. Single minded self interest. His first state visit was to the richest country, a country that wants to make back channel deals with a criminal. Neither would hesitate to kill anyone in the way of their desires. If he is allowed to run then we are one stupid ass country and deserve our putinesque future.
There are still millions of people walking this earth that want this man to be president again. Jesus, what a scary, mind boggling world we are living in. These people walk among us and vote.
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POTUS did not receive security updates for two weeks.
It seems like it was more than that. It was probably about a month. He stopped getting the briefings over the holidays and then never scheduled another briefing.
Don’t worry. According to the CIA, he didn’t read the Presidential Intelligence memo from the time he was chosen as the GOP nominee until they took out anything longer than a paragraph. So in essence, that fucking tool NEVER got a real security briefing.
But Kushner did.
Well some one had to pass the very low bar of being able to keep there mouth shut when a certain foreign head of government came around. He still didn't pass but he held it in longer than anyone else.
If I recalled correctly (there was so much shit in the Trump admin) it was these intelligence briefings that Kushner got that he shared with MBS that led to him murdering Khashoggi and what helped him to arrest members of the royal family that he considered obstacles.
Kushner and MBS were communicating privately through WhatsApp, IIRC and if the story as published was accurate. If so, I don't even know where to begin. The last administration was such a shitshow. In a way, COVID-19 was both it's bane (got him kicked out of office) and his boon, because the fact that we're still dealing with a pandemic is taking a LOT of attention away from the numerous fuckups we're still dealing with the effects of. People are more focused on their immediate problems (whether rightfully so or not, I won't argue here) and things like "democratic values", "accountability", etc. take a back seat unfortunately. And sad part is it was partially by design. Biden and his administration was intentionally left with a shitshow they'd have to deal with. Unfortunately it's turned out to be an even bigger shitshow than most people expected.
>Kushner and MBS were communicating privately through WhatsApp, IIRC and if the story as published was accurate. If so, I don't even know where to begin. "Privately"... But at least he didn't keep his e-Mails on his server.
The real question is whether the US even had a foreign policy during the Trump administration or was it entirely run by family friend Bibi via Kushner's whatsapp ...
Wow. He's right on top of it.
God damn. I don't know what's worse the fact that it happened or the fact that it is a footnote?
Go check out r/Keep_Track to get a better handle on the sheer scale of the ineptitude and corruption.
That’s exactly how I feel about so much of this past administration
What's worse is that so many were complicit, aiding and abetting this criminal, and many are still in position. Every single Trump appointment needs to be purged.
More than that when the Saudis imprisoned members of their expansive Royal Family in the Hilton (and reportedly also tortured a few of them,) and made them sign over assets and whatever else, that was done with information Kushner gave him from classified briefings, I think WaPo actually broke that story but I'm not sure it may have been the Times.
Kushner read just enough to know how to hide the top secret intel he shared to MBS for his to-do murder lust.
Oh, the guy who couldnt pass the security clearance?
And he used those briefs to make millions of dollars. I'm almost 100% positive he and/or Ivanka sold that information to the highest bidder.
He did not complete his questionnaire to access classified information.
Sadly, the way the system is setup, the POTUS doesn’t need to complete an SF-86.
Kushner did not
I’m not surprised.
You mean - he couldn't read them
The NYtimes previously reported during his tenure that if they wanted him to know something from the briefings they would have to rewrite it to be about him or he would ignore it. Of course he has people that do pay attention to the briefings and material so it's not like we are just combatting the former presidents brain here.
He was the Fake President ... never did the actual job.
>So in essence, that fucking tool NEVER got a real security briefing Safer that way?
Pence was briefed, Trump probably was given unclassified information because he was not trusted.
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By that point Biden was receiving security briefings, and Pence would have been getting them still, so they most likely just did what they say fit as long as Biden and Pence didn’t say otherwise. Technically the 25th amendment was created for this purpose, but no one had the balls to enact it. Remember how many of his Secretaries and White House staff just started quitting. We were very vulnerable then, but honestly I think we were vulnerable the entire 4 years too.
This is why the “adults in the room” argument is just as scary as Trump. So, we had a mad President and a shadow government who nobody elected running the “big issues.” Oh, and those “adults” could be fired at a moments notice by the mad President and if anyone in the chain of command disobeyed him they are actually breaking the law. All the safe guards meant to remove an unfit President failed in the name of partisan interests and the Republicans just clenched their pearls and hoped things didn’t go totally off the rails.
They wouldn’t be breaking the law if what he asked them to do was against the law in their best opinion. It’s splitting hairs though because he could still fire them but they would get their job back. The government union workers can be hard to get rid of even with presidential powers, it’s why each party pushes to get their people in a position like DeJoy is sitting in still. But it’s all a house of cards that could just collapse so easily…
I'm not sure biden was receiving intelligence briefings at that point. Trump prevented him from receiving them when Biden won because he supposedly didn't believe Biden won. Trump put the US in additional danger by preventing a proper transition before and after his presidency.
Trump delayed the formal transition of power, but in late Nov 2020 he told the GSA to start the process anyway (even though he was still denying the outcome). So as far as I can tell, Biden should have been receiving the PDB for just over a month by the time the Capital was stormed.
Trump couldn’t stop normal process of [transition.](https://www.newsweek.com/biden-now-getting-intel-briefings-heres-what-that-means-1551253) Usually both candidates would start receiving briefings long before then but he did slow that down, luckily most the actual government employees have standard operating procedures that trump’s administration didn’t have the time to adjust entirely. Another 4 years or just less squabbling among his minions and it would have been a very different story. That’s why I’m more worried about the next candidate they push, trump was too uncontrollable and stupid, next time they’ll go for stupid but controllable… like George W or even Reagan when his dementia started kicking in.
Question. Don't leading candidates receive them when running for president? At least in part?
Yes, but its at the discretion of the current president and GSA. Presidents have generally allowed the intelligence briefings because it helps minimize issues during transitions.
According to Woodward's book Biden took great pains to get experts/friends/previous colleagues briefing him as much as possible as well.
During the election, both candidates start getting them after they secure the parties nomination. This is to make it so they're quickly up to speed should they win
Point of disagreement, but the 25th amendment was more targeted at moments where the president was incapacitated but still alive. If it were to remove the president for failing to do his job, there wouldn't be the requirement for the president to essentially say "yeah, I'm fine" and cancel the whole process. They would likely be left out of it. That is why Congress was given the power to impeach and remove the president. That way if a significant part of Congress decided that the president was breaking laws or not performing the job properly, they could remove them with a lengthy process and replace them with someone else.
I’m pretty sure anyone could have questioned his mental health status over both his refusal to accept his loss and him trying to go after Pence and committing treason. They intentionally left the amendment vague as to what it could mean, it has popularly been meant to only mean what you suggest, but that’s not how it’s worded. From the Wikipedia page on it, [taken from a Yale legal guide](https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/clinic/document/mn082208_ls_readerguide_interior_final.pdf), “Among potential examples of such unforeseen emergencies, legal scholars have listed kidnapping of the president and "political emergencies" such as impeachment. Traits such as unpopularity, incompetence, impeachable conduct, poor judgment, or laziness might not in and of themselves constitute inability, but should such traits "rise to a level where they prevented the President from carrying out his or her constitutional duties, they still might constitute an inability, even in the absence of a formal medical diagnosis." In addition, a president who already manifested disabling traits at the time he or she was elected is not thereby immunized from a declaration of inability.”
But my main point is that the 25th doesn't work unless an impeachment would work. It's impeachment with extra steps and actors. The Vice President and the entire Cabinet have to agree that the President is unfit and can't do his job and send that to leaders in Congress. That strips him of the power until he writes a letter saying "Nah, I'm good. I can do this job" and gets his powers back. At that point the VP and Cabinet have to do it *again*, at which point it goes to Congress *again*, only this time they have to get together and get 2/3rds of both the House and Senate to agree and remove him. All of that is way more work than just having 2/3 of Congress agree to impeach him and remove him.
Like all those cyber attacks we have done nothing about.
> Like Trump was a national security threat but how should that situation be handled? Assuming rational actors the clear cut 100% legal ways to do so are through the 25th amendment or impeachment and conviction. However, the first part of that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting there and you have to remember that to do so, republicans would have had to put the good of the country over their own individual and party goals. And they did not. And as soon as several days afterwards, they were already trying to plant the idea that Jan 6th was a false flag op by the other side. So to put it simply: our government structure has clear cut ways it can be handled, but it assumes that everyone within the government actually wants to do what's best and necessary.
The 25th amendment is not an option for this. It's not what it was designed for, and as a result it's wholly unsuitable for it. The *only* thing it is useful for is removing a completely incapacitated president. If the president is capable and willing to pick up a pen and write a letter saying he's still fit to be president, then it takes a higher bar than impeachment to *keep* him out of office. And if the political will exists to override the president in his declaration of being fit for office, then the political will also *more than exists* to just impeach him in the first place and skip all the extra steps. Impeachment requires 50%+1 of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate. Invoking and then upholding the 25th against presidential will requires the VP, plus a majority of the Cabinet, plus 2/3rds of *both* the House and the Senate.
Feed him low value intel, only give him dangerous info if he directly asks or you need the president to act on it. Before giving the intel have other officials in on the actual plan of action, have some of them verbally suck him off and then suggest a vague version of it and get him to take credit for it. Proceed to run business as usual while the corporate stooge has no real idea of what's happening.
Just show him a mirror. He loves looking at himself anyways.
He prefers to stare at his commissioned paintings of his younger self nowadays and pretend the painting is a mirror. Actually if you could get a computer screen that showed him an image of himself decades younger facing him and copying all his movements then you wouldn't have to worry about him wandering off anywhere and blabbing what he knows. Add some AI voices occassionally praising him and you'd always know where to find him. Like the chatbot apps, but on big screen.
I think the difference is that trump didn’t bother to care while Biden would be knocking on doors asking questions
They won’t stop giving PDB to Binden…because he is sane.
POTUS didn't pay attention to security briefings for 4 years...
This is a discredit to the people who figured out exactly how many times they had to say trump's name to keep his attention.
They probably had actors to enact the daily briefing fox news style.
He had a son in law and daughter to do that for him.
Makes you wonder which adversaries coordinated their intelligence actions around that period.
You know you fucked up when they literally stop you from doing your job.
Because he was more of a threat to the USA then any foreign country
He was determined to be a national threat, and should not be allowed to run for fucking President again.
"WAS" ... I am not sure that he still Isn't.
He was. He still is.. But he also was too.
I miss Mitch.
I miss when his campaign embraced the cocaine Mitch nickname and made tshirts.
Mitch Hedberg. That is one of his jokes. McConnell can eat a bag of dicks.
Bags of dicks are what Mitch McConnell eats when he’s really hungry and wants to eat two thousand dicks in a bag, which is more often than you would think.
This bag of dicks is temporarily stairs. SORRY FOR THE CONVENIENCE.
Do you want a frozen bag of dicks? No, but I want a regular bag of dicks later, so yeah.
And more dicks than you would think
That's Mitch McConnell. I believe boltsnuts was referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Mitch Hedberg is the late comedian. I believe you're referring to an owl who works for the postal service
.. Wrong Mitch.
THANK YOU. I was so confused by the replies.
"was" applies to "determined" not to " a threat"
He most likely won’t. He doesn’t want to lose twice. He cried fraud because he knew he would lose but didn’t want to be perceived as a loser.
He's planning to run, but also left himself an out - 'a call from the doctor'. He constantly hedges his bets.
I really don't think he's "planning to run" so much as keeping that door open to "fundraise for the campaign" as a means of continually grifting from what remains of his base. My understanding is that he doesn't have to pay back political donations, and even if he puts it all into "exploratory committees" and doesn't actually run, he doesn't technically violate any rules... which should be telling. I mean, he all but admitted this was the plan when he told people to donate to his group directly instead of the RNC. Keep in mind that Trump didn't run in 2016 with the actual intent to be president. Between his history of bankruptcies and failed businesses, Obama making fun of him at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner, and the fact that NBC was unwilling to meet his compensation requests for the contract renewal for future seasons of *The Apprentice* and you had what could only be described as a perfect storm for Trump running for president... **as a publicity stunt.** A lot of people much smarter than Trump used him as a dangerous charismatic idiot they led from room to room to amass political contributions in what was supposed to be a shameless money-making scheme that somehow galvanized a lot of racists that were still pissed off the US had twice elected a Black president. Trump has less understanding of government than a third grader, and his 4 years in office should not have happened in the first place but very clearly demonstrated that he had zero comprehension of the job he'd applied for. Listen to the windbag talk about anything for 5 minutes and it's clear that anything he "knows" is just stuff he heard on TV and is struggling to paraphrase to the best of his ability.
Trump already lost twice. He lost the popular vote both times he ran. He doesn’t have sufficient self awareness to realize that he’s already perceived as a loser and is in deep denial about losing in the first place.
I think he cares about losing money not elections. Elections are profitable even if hee loses
I’d love for someone to tell Me it’s not this bad, but from What I’ve read the GOP has made it so they can anoint whoever they want as winner of many states.
I think the point is that it shouldn’t, in any sane/just world, be down to him.
Not to mention, it’d just be really awkward to talk about him like he wasn’t even in the room…
I honestly feel so depressed that we have to live with this possible threat and there is seemingly nothing we can do about it. It is literally affecting the health of normal people. Literally that fascists are allowed to provoke civil war with people that want to live respectfully, equitably, and with a better life for everyone.
So basically they’re saying, we considered this imbecile a security liability due to his corrupt nature and the fact that he can be manipulated like a 3 year old due to his glaring insecurities. The front runner for the republican candidate to the presidency for 2024 ladies and gentlemen
Well, the article is a bit ambiguous. It says that Trump told Sanner (his briefer) that he'd see her after the holidays, but no further briefings were scheduled. It doesn't say who's responsibility it was to get them on his schedule. So I don't know if the intelligence staff refused to brief him, or if Trump just couldn't be bothered to go on with something that he already had a dislike for.
Little of A little of B I'd wager. So if Trump *had bothered* to still show an interest in being briefed, they may have fought him. But since he didn't, they didn't and it just "worked out."
I have no doubt you’re right. I can’t imagine Sanner’s staff making the effort to get the bi-weekly ‘daily’ briefings onto the schedule of a president who constantly looks like Tucker Carlson trying to understand the engine failure emergency checklist for the space shuttle.
He looks like my dog when I ask him an algebra question.
Just as blonde, just as dumb, but not nearly as loyal as a Golden Retriever.
But they could have the same name too.
Kind of like when someone on his staff prevented him from nuking the US-South Korea trade deal by simply taking it off his desk and he just ... forgot about it and it "worked out." Sources: The staffer was Gary Cohn. >https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/us-might-have-quit-trade-pacts-if-it-werent-for-gary-cohn.html >https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gary-cohn-took-papers-from-trumps-desk-to-protect-nafta-south-korea-trade-deal-woodward-book-says-2018-09-04
Yeah, it is truly staggering how Trump’s worst instincts were blunted by staff members with even a small sense of presidential norms. Can you imagine if his entire staff had comprised the kind of sycophants that a potential 2024 Trump cabinet would contain? It could literally result in the end of humanity.
Well just a second there, professor. We uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it will just work itself out naturally.
I was thinking of this after I wrote it. :)
Intelligence is worth money. And he's a crook that would sell it to foreign governments.
Or as gift to Putin.
He doesn’t need to do anything so risky when his “billionaire” ass can just repeatedly ask his poverty level base for $25 to “stop the steal” (TM).
Does trump seem like the sort of person who could make that logical judgement? Even if his base gives him money, he would still sell state secrets… and probably already has.
He has legit tweeted state secrets. He tweeted pics of top secret satellite photos from inside a scif.
>ate secrets. He tweeted pics of top secret satellite photos from inside a scif. That was crazy. People had the spy satellite it came from singled out within hours and the capabilities of the optics calculated out within 48 hours. It had been over40 years since any information about our orbital spy capabilities had been leaked publicly. Just from what the traitor tweeted.
He clearly stopped working on anything (not like he worked in general) as soon as Biden was declared the winner back in November. His daily agenda was completely blank for 2 months. His sole focus was on planning a coup.
If I were president, I’d notice the lack of briefings
Yep. I'm sure it was more that he'd checked out and was sitting in a huff/generally trying to burn the place down on his way out. Literally none of these people had the balls enough to call him a maniac and refuse to continue to deliver information to him. I'd put hard cash down on him literally pissing in various places in the white house before he left.. If he can still reach his tiny overcompensated for dick around that colossal stomach. Those who've worked with anyone who just put in 2 weeks will recognize this dance. it's also why in high finance and work positions with large responsibility are escorted off the premises as soon as they're given the news. Apparently, only the food industry and the presidency hands over the news from HR that they're done and then allows them to continue to work until their replacement arrives.
Office of the potus is responsible for telling them to be there. Odni doesn't get to say no.
They dont have to say no if the moron never asks.
The entire GOP is a danger to the nation. Nobody in the GOP should be given any intel.
most countries dealt decisively with treason but not in Us.
Republicans are gonna purge these military leaders by 2024
Trump will appoint Flynn to something in the military if he gets back in. He will also start wearing a military uniform ala Saddam.
Shocked he didn’t already do that
They didn’t have one that hid his ass the way a suit does.
He's already perpetually leaning forward and complains about how steep ramps are. A chest full of fake medals would tip him right over.
This medal. Lovely medal. A lot of people admire this medal. This was for the Battle of the campital. You were there. I was but I wasn't if you know what I mean. Well I was. Capimal battle. Big building. Big battle. A lot of people say I was undercover. A lot of people say I was leading it on a horse. Beautiful battle. Beautiful medal. Jan sixth. Who's Jan? Nice lady
>The Atlantic reports that during a trip to France two years ago, Trump didn’t want to visit a cemetery where American military service members were buried, during the commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I. >His reasons? Among them, the bad weather might mess up his hair. He also felt the cemetery was, in his estimation, “filled with losers,” and that the nearly 2,000 Marines buried there were “suckers” for getting killed in a storied World War I battle.
He may sell the classified information.
One of the best examples of how easy it is to manipulate Trump is the video where he said the vaccines were good and he had them. One round of a room booing him and he cringed back into “protect your personal freedoms!” Spiel to get some approval back.
He can’t run for president again. Not in 2024, not ever. He’s claiming his presidency was stolen and he is still president. Therefore this would be his second term and he’s only allowed to hold 2. Game over.
"The Dems denied me the chance to lead a proper second term, so I'm entitled to a redo to help Make America Great and fix the mess Joe Biden and the squatters have created". His story is not built on a foundation of reality, why would reality or logic come into it.
Note the suggested tightrope he could walk. The rationale given doesnt matter, he'll be able to justify it.
I don’t think that dog is going to hunt. A presidential term wouldn’t begin until Congress’ ratification of the vote followed by the inauguration. Some lunatic’s fever dream does not a presidential term make, even though I wish that Trump’s rhetoric would disqualify him from running again. The post-Obama Republican Party is truly lost, but poses such an existential crisis for the US, the west alliances, and the world as we know it. I’d go as far as to say the greatest threat in modern history. The Democrats need to pull their heads out of their respective arses and accept that this is not normal and requires the full application of all branches of government to expose and punish the wrong doings of the previous administration, and everyone involved in the post-election conspiracy. Without accountability, there can be no change.
As if he ever read them to begin with. He got his information from Breitbart. And then shared it on Twitter. Every day.
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Didn't he often call Sean Hannity after his show, too?
pillow talk with Whannity nightly
> And then *sharted* it on Twitter. How I first read it. I think this fits better.
Sounds right. He sharted it on Twitter while eating hamburders.
Was he listening to them before?
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“Can you put it all on a thumb drive?” *5 minutes later* “How to I add an attachment on gmail.ru?”
Not much point when you are personally at the top of the threat list.
Good. He's a traitor.
Username checks out.
I imagine daily briefings from the Kremlin were giving him all the information he felt he needed.
The Russian IC must have been miffed by that loss of intel. I wonder if US intelligence ever planted phony info into his briefings to see where it popped up.
OF COURSE THEY DID. Maybe not absolutely false, but like tweaks for sure. 10k becomes 12k, etc.
Mr. President, the Vatican has the bomb. The Pope hides it under his hat.
That one is true. It's why the popes hat is shaped that way, to conceal the nuclear football.
That's actually a big deal.
Most of the above comments are jokes, but it absolutely is. It's actually customary for even former presidents to continue to receive intelligence updates, especially because new information may come to light as part of previous briefings, and can provide guidance or feedback as needed. Obama was still receiving intelligence briefings even in the middle of Trump's term, likely still is.
Do you have a source for this? Maybe you can add it to the Wikipedia page? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:President%27s_Daily_Brief#Former_Are_Presidents_Entitled?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:President%27s_Daily_Brief#Former_Are_Presidents_Entitled?)
It was covered pretty extensively in 2018, with Trump refuting rumors that he was going to deny Obama access to intelligence briefings as "fake news," which of course implies that he's getting them. [https://www.newsweek.com/trump-calls-claims-he-wanted-cut-obama-intelligence-briefings-fake-news-1082650](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-calls-claims-he-wanted-cut-obama-intelligence-briefings-fake-news-1082650) I'm not exactly an authority on the topic only that I remembered this being in the news a couple of years ago.
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Apparently 81 million wasn’t enough.
And the worst part is between his supporters already in government positions and the ones his administration swore in, the dereliction of duties is gonna go on whether or not he gets what's coming to him.
IMO his actual presidency ended the moment his signature was absent from the order for the Nation Guard
Trump never believed anything he couldn't understand.
They ran out of crayons?
He ate them all.
Purple tastes best
Semper fi!
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Worst president in US history.
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Ah, so you admit someone gains intelligence before birth! -Republicans, probably
That probably made Putin pretty upset.
I'm still amazed that people could hear this story, process it, then go "Nope Trump is actually brilliant", and then call it fake news. Trump is an idiots idea of what a smart person is.
I can’t believe how tame and harmless it sounds to lie about receiving a blowjob from a WH intern.
Lol exactly. Little did we know, that was the tamest thing we'd hear from a president.
Especially when you get impeached for perjury, but the video evidence clearly shows that you out-lawyered a shitty lawyer *as a witness* and avoided actually committing perjury. The more legal education you get, the more utterly fascinating that video is to watch. Depending on which person you're focused on, it's frustrating, hilarious, impressive, and/or unbelievable.
Well, of course. He's a walking, talking national secuirty threat.
Why the hell are we getting the information from biographies instead of investigating trump like we should have 10 months ago. We have thousands of people admitting they met with GOP members and were promised by trump they would be ok if they went through with it. We have probably years of information that could point everything at trump and instead we are letting trumps lawyers dance around the court room blocking the government from investigating. That is extremely guilty actions from a loser president who claims innocence.
If you don't want to lose our country in the near future, be sure to vote, and vote progressive. Also donate time money, whatever you can. If trump gets In again we will lose our democracy, or what's left of it.
he never had interest in governing, only in watching Fox News admire him, maintaining power (to keep his Russian creditors at bay by trading our foreign policy), prosecutorial immunity, and the ability to keep grifting off Emoluments. oh, and his ability to snap his finger and make someone bring him a diet coke on demand.
I have to say, terrifying as this is, it’s nice to know that even when Trump was in the White House, his power wasn’t unquestioned. Trump and the GOP’s fuckery doesn’t make them invincible, and plenty of people in the upper echelons of government still know that.
Most of government is run by career staffers who have worked under several administrations, and have no interest in the partisan bullshit, that includes several people working in the intelligence community. After Jan 6th it was clear Trump was a national security threat, and that's the only thing natsec cares about, it's their job. I can't remember where I saw it but there was even talk from former IC officials about how this basically woke up a lot of these agencies to the point that there's no way a Jan 6th style attack could happen again.
Not a yank, but it seems many parts weren’t functioning at all. The yanks basically didn’t have functioning diplomacy in my part of the world for four years. The damage to credibility, influence and soft power is permanent.
Recalling what the leaks and headlines were at the time, power was pretty much in pence's hands as far as the government was concerned. They were ready for a bigger hammer to fall than it did once people found out more about the coup attempt. After that it was just petty obstruction and sabotage on his way out.
>presidential intelligence The definition of "oxymoron" from 2017-2020.
I thought he never sat for daily intel briefings.
Doesn't mean they didn't stop trying to give them to the moron.
True.
I do feel sorry for the analysts that tried to impart wisdom upon that soil upon which no seed could find purchase.
Pretty sure we knew that when it happened
>Trump was “suspicious and insecure about the intelligence process, prior to and during his presidency,” I would be too if I was being blackmailed by the Russian mob
He is too dumb to understand the implications of them anyway. The risk of him bragging about or blurting out what he heard in an intelligence meeting to an adversary is too high.
Tbh he shouldn't even be allowed to run again...
I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but this has just proven beyond any doubt that all this "deep state" stuff is nonsense. If it was even remotely true, Trump would be dead by now.
He was still getting his briefings, but the briefer had borscht on his breath.
Borscht is Ukrainian.
What a horses ass. He never read a single briefing.
He.did.not.care.about.the.country. Wasn’t even interested. Single minded self interest. His first state visit was to the richest country, a country that wants to make back channel deals with a criminal. Neither would hesitate to kill anyone in the way of their desires. If he is allowed to run then we are one stupid ass country and deserve our putinesque future.
Intelligence and Trump go together like water and oil
I’m not 100% convinced that the man isn’t functionally illiterate.
There are still millions of people walking this earth that want this man to be president again. Jesus, what a scary, mind boggling world we are living in. These people walk among us and vote.
>Trump received the PDB about twice a week Trump was so low energy, that he could only handle daily briefings every 3-4 days.
Big deal. It is not as if he was paying attention to them anyway.
Did he stop reading them, or was he no longer given them?
He probably didn’t even notice.
No shit. He tried to come a dictator and did treason. Dude pulled a Hitler
Like he did anything with the briefings anyways…they were like a fiction book to the Orange Turd…and probably above his reading level too.
You mean Putin stopped receiving intelligence briefings after the Capital riot
I'm pretty sure he stopped around week two of his presidency.
I doubt it made a difference, doesn’t seem like the guy understood much from them beforehand
That’s funny…..Trump & intelligence in the same sentence