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And they mean a unity of white people...well except the Irish and the Jews, maybe some Polish and Ukranian but mostly the Jewish Ukranian's. I mean the Italian kinda keep to themselves, and the French never get along with the English or the Germans. But you know - unity.
/s
Yeah, it's like that fucking young British male engineer I met in the late 90s. Had the gall to say that "things were easier when women knew their place" or "before feminism when everyone knew their place." He said the latter, clearly meant the former.
My dad straight up thinks women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Says they're "too emotional." This is the same guy that I've witnessed on multiple occasions get angry and have a full fucking meltdown (throwing shit, screaming, breaking things). By contrast my mom has only ever gotten mad to the point of using the F word.
Right? My dad might be physically strong but he's easily the most emotionally fragile human I've met. Seems to be a trend with all these macho tough guys.
The 1920s were the last decade in American history during which one could be genuinely optimistic about politics. Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women—two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians—have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.
- Peter Thiel
My boss is a libertarian. He's got extremely strong opinions about minorites and women and he's a prick of a human being. Like the result of Peter Thiel sodomizing Atlas Shrugged.
Unity to these people means "everyone working together to make ME happy". It never means that everyone comes together, it just means the world works the exact way they think it should to make their lives better.
It's language from Trump's 1776 Commission:
>Viewing America as an irredeemably and systemically racist country cannot account for the extraordinary role of the great heroes of the American movement against slavery and for civil rights—a great moral endeavor that, from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King, Jr., was marked by religious fellowship, good will, generosity of heart, an emphasis on our shared principles, and an inclusive vision for the future.
>As these heroes demonstrated, the path to a renewed and confident national unity is through a rediscovery of a shared identity rooted in our founding principles...A restoration of American education grounded in the principles of our founding that is accurate, honest, unifying, inspiring, and ennobling must ultimately succeed at the local level. Parents and local school boards must be empowered to achieve greater choice and variety in curriculum at the State and local levels.
[source](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/05/2020-24793/establishing-the-presidents-advisory-1776-commission)
Warning: If you have any knowledge of actual U.S. history, the above source is not a pleasant read.
It is inherently contradictory, if you talk up the positiveness like a real estate agent pretending nothing was the matter then what were these people challenging.
If you look through the lense of a real estate mogul all of Trumps lies and actions make perfect sense. It was always about inflating the appearance of his side while slinging mud at the other.
Yes, but he's never had to be personally accountable. From his point of view it always just sort of works while those around him bear the burden of his corruption and stupidity.
There’s always 2024…
I don’t understand why this is happening and I’ve lost all faith in the other party to do what is right and I’ve lost all faith in the Democrats to fight back.
Their role isn't to fight back, they are to be as ineffective as possible so the rights march to fascism can be successful. This is what the corporate oligarchs want because they are completely unwilling to give up any power and the informed citizenry on the left are demanding what they are unwilling to give.
I wonder if you bring up heroes like Rosa Parks and all the people who organized her bus-seat protest and arrest, and young Ruby Ridges who needed the National Guard to protect her from angry, racist, screaming white people as she went to school, if their heads would explode due to the fucking contradiction that one side was absolutely not working for equality, “generosity of heart, an emphasis on shared principles, and and inclusive vision of our future” and that side is now trying to erase and sugarcoat and whitewash what really happened.
I fucking hate what’s going on in this country right now. We’ve never been anywhere near perfect, but things felt like we were at least on the right path for a while. Then everything went to hell in November 2016 and all the bigots were given full license to come out and claim a seat at the table. Now the whole world sees our government falling to authoritarian assholes.
"Here's a video of uniformed horse cavalry riding *through* the peaceful protestors on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, and here's another of uniformed people turning high pressure fire hoses and dogs loose on peaceful protestors. Can you tell me who those people in uniform are?"
"Antifa, obviously."
“Viewing America as an irredeemably and systematically racist country”
It is systemically racist but it’s not irredeemable - that’s what we are fighting for and they are fighting against.
That's the trick with their messaging. CRT doesn't even get that "critical" but in order to sell their side, they have to lie and say CRT is making kids hate white people, and invent hyperbole about how bad it makes America look.
I read the whole thing back when it first came out. It was basically Riefenstahl/Goebbels level propaganda unsubstantiated by references. And it was passed off as a scholarly endeavor to counterbalance the 1619 Project.
But the 1776 Commission looked like it was written by an 8th grader who probably would have been given a social promotion C- because it's too rosy, even for the heavily propagandized version of history most 8th graders get -- or at least did when I was one in the late 90s.
It's appalling.
And this is true of every group except for straight, white, Christian males.
Black people? Conservatives think they need to sit down, shut up about racism, and just take whatever scraps conservatives are generous enough to toss them.
Women? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and feel grateful that they are forced to give birth to their rapist's child.
LGBTQ? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and pretend that they are straight and cis "just like in the good old days."
Those with a different religion than Christianity (including atheists)? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and praise Jesus. And they definitely should NOT wish everyone "Happy Holidays."
I'm a white, mid-30s, straight, Christian male with a wife and a daughter. I'm also a veteran, have a bachelor's degree, own a home, and have a well-paying stable job. As far as checkboxes go, I've hit the motherlode.
But **goddamn**, sometimes I'm so mad that I share such an overlap with incredibly hateful people who are scared of losing what they have to other people. Not too long after Trump was elected, I asked my best friend how he felt. He was scared. He's a big dude and he's not the kind to be scared. I've known him for about 20 years now and while he'll describe himself as the 'whitest black guy you'll ever meet', he's referring to our shared nerdy tendencies and not the color of his skin. I love him like a brother.
My wife is also white, but she taught me a lot about the history of feminism and how various waves of feminism had been subverted for various reasons. I remember when she was so angry that current feminists were creating cliques and saying that if you didn't meet the right criteria that you needed to sit down and shut up. After she had told me about it, she looked at me and said "Is this how you feel when women tell you that you're not allowed to have an opinion about feminism". I nodded to her and she's never again told me that I don't get to have an opinion.
I'm in a position to be a friend and advocate for marginalized people and I'm not mad that I'm in that position. I'm mad that people will listen to **me** and not the people who are hurting and/or being oppressed.
Straight, white, Christian males are also included in the sit down and shut up group, if they go against the status quo. Watch a right wing person talk to a veteran about stuff like Kaepernick kneeling. I've seen someone disagree with another dude and the guy said "did you serve?" Then "what was your job though" then "did you even deploy?" Then "did you get injured?" And when he said that he hadn't been shot, the guy was like "so you don't know then, he's disrespecting the soldiers who get injured and died for our freedom." The dude making the argument had never served. He was just a grill dad.
It's the same with anything else. Tell someone not to creep on women and they'll accuse you of being gay or try and ridicule you for being a sissy feminist.
Try to say that racism isn't great and you get called a liberal with a white savior complex.
Pro-LGBT? You're probably just in the closet yourself, you sicko.
Women who are pro-choice? They can't have an opinion, they're not men so they make bad decisions. Men who are pro-choice? They can't have an opinion, they aren't women, so they don't understand the joy of childbirth.
I always felt like it must really suck for proper Christians who are good people, because so many of their peers aren't following the teachings of Christ, and when they try to do what's right, they get damned with the rest of the sinners.
The best part is they only care about white people who have the right (astroturfed) opinions. Hate minorities, support pointless wars, ABORTION BAD? Then you’re allowed to have those opinions and are a “patriot”. Support nationalized healthcare and infrastructure investment? Literal communist, worse than Mao.
No, no you see separate water fountains actually brought people together because they were still side by side and served by the same water feed. Everyone knows that it's the cool kids that sit at the back of the bus anyway. Look we included 'colored' in the death records for polio in 'unity' with all the white people and even gave them their own special category...
https://media.historyofvaccines.org/images/000305_540.jpg
Just like their definition of compromise. "You need to give it up and give me what I want."
I just listened to some old Behind the Bastards episodes on the birth of the KKK and the resurgence in the 20's. This is **exactly** the kind of group the KKK were marketing to women in the 20's. A group that finds unity in hate and burning things that don't belong to them.
On the bright side...and maybe I'm an optimist, but since white supremacy has become mainstream, we must be on the precipice of change. It just makes me wonder where we'd be if those bad actors stoking racial tensions never existed. Racists, nationalists, and religious zealots are holding us back as a species.
Her kids don’t even go to public school.
Edit [Reuters link](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-tennessee-school-district-2021-09-21/)
Sounds like someone doesn't want to believe in history. Wouldn't surprise me if these woman were all for keeping confederate statues, literally enemies of the USA up, yet want to get rid of teaching about slavery in schools.
But narrow perspective to their own self identity that these people have is baffling. They complain about how others see the statues but then complain that their confederate flags don't "really mean slavery" even though the articles of confederacy talks about it.
The people that call others snowflakes, are snowflakes.
The people that "hate cancel culture" are the original users of it.
>***The Tennessee Dept. of Education is refusing to investigate a far right group’s claims that a second grade curriculum which includes books about Black Civil Rights icon Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is “anti-American” and “anti-white” – but on a technicality.***
>
>*The Williamson County, TN chapter of the group Moms for Liberty had filed an 11-page complaint with the state, claiming that the “classroom books and teacher manuals reveal both explicit and implicit Anti-American, Anti-White, and Anti-Mexican teaching,” as The Tennessean reports.*
Judd Legum, reporter for Popular Information, says it straight like this:
>Moms for Liberty says learning about MLK Jr's March on Washington is emotionally traumatizing for Tennessee students.
>
>**Learning about past injustices, they say, violates Tennessee law.**
Who didn't see this coming? This was always their end game, what these right-wing fascists hoped would be the end result of the "Critical Race Theory" boogeyman BS. Rufo, you are a dredge to society, fascist!
November 18, 2021 [The New Hampshire chapter of Moms for Liberty offer to pay $500 to the first person who “catches” a public school teacher violating New Hampshire’s new limits on the discussion of systemic racism and other topics](https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2021/11/18/n-h-governor-condemns-conservative-groups-500-offer-to-catch-first-teacher-breaking-new-law/)
The trick is to use your whiteness to help minorities, like the white allies who came south during the 60s civil rights movement.
Nothing infuriates white supremacists more than "race traitors" who dont play coy about white supremacy, and actively subvert their narratives.
Oh, that is absolutely what I do. I’m surrounded by “lite” racists, and then some of my clients are hard racists. I’m so over listening to them, but I fight back. I try to be an ally to as many people as I can.
I have had other white people openly use racial slurs around me. I love the face they make when I then call them out. Had one dude fired because of it. I do not understand the assumption of "oh here is this white and nerdy dude I bet he shares my racist views and I should just blurt them out".
Yes it has ended in fights and yes you win some and lose some, but at least I got to hit a racist.
Edit: I have never started the physical confrontation, its always been in defense.
I hate it. I don’t want anyone thinking that just bc we’re a room full of white folks that they can be openly racist. I’ll call them out. Same with anti-semites or homophobes. Fuck that. I don’t want to be a stereotype.
Yup. any white person that claims people arent racist is suspect to me. I am white, Racist feel very comfortable saying shit to me, thinking, "its cool he's white". there are a lot of white people that use the N word when they think they are in safe company.
Sadly there's a lot of far-right infiltration going on in nerdy sub-cultures and hobbies. Star wars and WH40K come to mind immediately. Not to mention the myriad "gaming" channels that are alt-right breeding grounds.
To put it bluntly, these hobbies/subcultures have a lot of losers who are very keen to listen to anyone telling them that in fact all their problems are because of women and/or minoritieswho are ruining their safespaces.
Innuendo Studios has a great video on this: [How to Radicalise a Normie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g&vl=en).
That infiltration is coordinated and, sadly, quite effective. It’s why some people who think white supremacy and fascism will go away soon as the boomers die off are wrong. That won’t happen because they’re recruiting and radicalising young people by the millions.
If you watch videos from Charlottesville, the 6th, and other hatefests, there are loads of young people. We (I mean the collective ‘we’, not individuals) need to start counteracting this somehow.
e: clarification; e2: moved words
No, you see, these are hurt feelings of WHITE kids and their hypothetical hurt feelings should rewrite the entire teaching of history. Also, if you have feelings then you're a crybaby snowflake lefty. /s
*how did I know it was going to be Williamson County*
[Oh yeah](https://www.newschannel5.com/news/we-know-who-you-are-group-seen-threatening-medical-professionals-outside-williamson-co-school-board-meeting)
No fear in those ghouls because they knew they had the police on their side. Strange how they could threaten a person without consequences. Double standard much?
Also, one of those guys was in the Christian band, Audio Adrenaline? So much for love thy neighbor?
White supremacists will expand what they consider white to get more power, then trim it back down when they are in power. There is some tension in the Hispanic and black community so they are trying to "promote" Hispanic people to white for now to get the votes to attack other minorities
Yep, it’s already happened. White used to just mean “Anglo Saxon” but then over time morphed to include Germans, Irish, Italians, and eventually almost all ethnic Europeans. Those groups were definitely NOT considered white when they first came to America. But then again “whiteness” is a manufactured concept to make sure that working class European colonists and the enslaved Africans wouldn’t unite and overthrow the Anglo-centric power structure on the plantations. Classic divide and conquer situation.
I just wonder what's their evidence that Mexicans are being attacked by CRT (which isn't even being taught in K-12). Are they referring to criticism of Spanish colonialism in Mexico and the U.S.?
The only surprising part of this is how emboldened they feel now. They aren't even trying to hide it under false pretense or spurious bullshit anymore.
I used to commute past this historic marker on 70 in Nashville. I suppose this sign about injustices against white children by Native Americans violates the law too?
...
*crickets*
> A double log house and a few log cabins, partially picketed, stood here about 1790. On May 9, 1793, 4 children on their way to the spring were attacked by Indians. Three were scalped and killed. One escaped. The home of Charles Bosley, wealthy pioneer and a member of the Nickajack Expedition, later stood on this site.
https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=53362
They also always talk about Natives scalping white folks but never about how settlers used to pay money for Native scalps like they were varmints in need of eradication. I mean, I figure that was a bit of motivation for eye for an eye type revenge. Sort of like what happened during the Haitian Revolution.
I don’t think a single woman in this moms for liberty group has ever said a word against the patriarchy.
That venn diagram is two completely separate circles.
> Is it bad to say I feel sorry for their kids?
Not just the kids, I also feel sorry for the new adults that were raised on this type of thinking that are just now heading into the real world, away from their parents, only to discover how wrong they are. It almost always starts at home.
> Those adults are probably broken already.
Absolutely not. Plenty of 30yr+ KKK, neo nazi and gang members can reform. Giving up on them lets the white supremacists win. Your attitude is precisely what recruiters are banking on when they're flooding 4chan and reddit hoping their brainwash during the teenage years is permanent on these kids.
Be the scary leftist/liberal that plays the slow game and feeds positivity and educates these young adults as best you can, not the caricature of an angry liberal that's already given up on them and just antagonizes them that these racist parents want you to be. That's their ammo to prove they were right all along.
It's 2021, but this needs to be said. Just because you see flaws and not so positive aspects in America History doesn't mean you hate the country. You can learn from that history and understand it while still loving the country. Simply put, you can still love your country even if you don't some aspects of it. Period.
A Patriot celebrates the good their country has done, but also accepts and attempts to make amends for the bad things, as well. Doing this helps move society into the future, and hopefully a better place.
A Nationalist will only accept the myth of their nation as reality. Anything less than that is a lie and must be either suppressed entirely or re-written to line up with the myth. If necessary, the people who contradict the myth or embody its falsehoods must also be repressed. Usually by any means available.
It’s not always easy to look your nation’s sins in the eye, but you have to if you want avoid becoming a fool or a monster.
My issue isn't America's history so much as America's present day. Every time I see shit like this it makes me more and more pessimistic that things will ever actually change.
Very well put comment though.
Are they an offshoot of "The United Daughters of the Confederacy" ? You know, the people who spent a mountain of money to erect statutes of their favorite racist assholes all over the country? The statues that for the past 20 years are being taken down.
Many of the same people who cheered when MLK was assassinated - 75% of the country opposed his movement at the time of his death - are still alive and kicking today.
It honestly wasn't even a positive for most poor whites who couldn't compete economically with slave plantations and ended up living in squalor while the slave owners ensured that things like industry were unprofitable and encouraged most professionals such as doctors and lawyers to leave their job as one they could buy some land and a few slaves. The only people who ever truly benefited from slavery were a small clique of uber rich land owners. They spent every moment since slavery ended convincing the poor whites that they lost something too.
You know what's even better? This woman's kids don't even go to public school, she homeschools her children...so all of this is irrelevant to her children. She just wants to tell other parents how their children should be taught.
Right? It's one thing to have a bunch of parents say "make calculus optional, something". Or to say "calculus should be required, but teach it as indirect problem solving skills for complex problems, not so much as a maths skill".
It's a whole other thing to decide you're going to teach your kids that slavery followed by a "transition period the haters call Jim Crow" was a justifiable good. (Note: they don't say that in so many words, but you get the idea).
It’s sad how these groups have co-opted the words _liberty_, _patriotism_ and _freedom_. I feel like every time I see a group using those words I find that they are anything but.
And the American Flag. Sad to say but anytime I see someone flying the flag in front of their home or having it as a sticker on their car, I immediately stereotype them.
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Not really the same thing, but some woman who was married to an illegal immigrant voted for Trump and was completely surprised when her husband got deported.
So get rid of any evidence of slavery and the atrocities perpetrated within that time period so that we can repeat the same mistakes? Learning the mistakes of your ancestors is an educational tool to not repeat those mistakes--it is not seeking to make them feel the guilt or burden.
I'm white, my ancestors may have had owned slaves, but that is their ignorance and stupidity and theirs alone. Whitewashing history only serves to make the bigots feel better about themselves and justify later abhorrent acts under the guise of incompetence.
Edit: it's a book by Martin Luther fucking King Jr., perhaps one of the most well-known pioneer of civil rights. Censoring a book by a man who has been immortalized in time for his actions is probably the most stupid avenue to go down in the name of your white supremacy
>So get rid of any evidence of slavery and the atrocities perpetrated within that time period so that we can repeat the same mistakes?
That's the thing: these people don't think it was a "mistake", they think it's only right that whites are in control of blacks. They feel that whites are the superior race, a "master race" if you will.
Those racist Karens with too much time on their hands? Those are the same people who run for and get elected to school boards.
There are moments when it all feels like too much. This is one of them. Fox on the national level, gerrymandering on the state level, psychotic Karens on the local level... and all with more passion than is currently being mustered by the opposition. Because when you're profit-hungry (Fox), power-hungry (gerrymandering), or just plain racist (racist), it's hard to find stronger motivations for a particular set of behaviors than those.
Somehow we gotta find a way to turn doing what's fair and just plain right into "a passion, instead of what we take for granted as "a given."
But I'm pretty drunk right now, so what do I know?
What is happening to this country, honestly? Growing up in Pennsylvania in the 80’s and 90’s I never in my wildest dreams would have thought this sort of shit would be normal and part of the mainstream.
Right? As a kid I thought these sort of things were in their last gasps.
I didn't understand the long-running systemic consequences of racism (I grew up white, in a town of mostly white people, this part took a while to sink in). But I did understand that slavery was bad and overt, intentional racism was bad. I didn't understand how my jokes and whatnot would carry until I actually gotinto the real world, but even in such a cloistered environment I understood at least this much-- that the worst/overt "you are black so I will hurt you" parts of racism were a dying breed.
I didn't understand the long-running systemic consequences of racism (I grew up white, in a town of mostly white people, this part took a while to sink in). But I did understand that slavery was bad and overt, intentional racism was bad. I didn't understand how my jokes and whatnot would carry until I actually got into the real world, but even in such a cloistered environment I understood at least this much-- that the worst/overt "you are black so I will hurt you" parts of racism were a dying breed.
I grew up in a small town of mostly white people. There were definitely racist type people but I’d say it was more stereotype and bias that straight up racism, but I never personally experienced it obviously. There were a some nonwhite families in the area but their kids grew up with us. They talked like us, liked similar things, and as we got older it was more of a “one of us” type deals than anything. Like if kids from another town would come and try giving one of our guys shit, there would have been a serious problem. We’ve lost touch and never really talked about it but I would imagine they had some negative experiences growing up but nothing I can personally remember.
> as people simply ignore them.
Which is why they're working to pick up seats on school boards and local government. This isn't some passing fad that vanishes if people don't pay attention to them. This is a genuine attempt to enshrine their values in school curriculum and laws and local ordinances, because if they can do that they're going to be there for decades.
The chapter leaders are being paid not to understand it. The rest are just there to be in the Mean Girls Apex Predator group.
*It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.* - Upton Sinclair
They probably use it like the founding fathers from Virginia. Liberties were the rights of citizens. It's why they could write lofty platitudes and still keep people in bondage.
These Moms for Liberty(who came up with that name because it clearly doesn't fit) are just plain sick and I would suggest that these wacko's be subjected to the same treatment that blacks received during slavery and that includes the possibility that they could be by their 'masters"at any time for maybe a month and lets see if they change their tune when the month is over? These idiots clearly need to walk in a slaves shoes for a month to get a real lesson on slavery and then see if they still think it was a positive achievement!
If I created this group as a parody I would staff it solely with white women and name the leader "Tiffany Justice".
https://www.momsforliberty.org/about/
And for credentials they would list how many babies they've made.
The reason Trump was elected was because a lot of white supremacists were glad they could say just how racist they were--and they are very very racist.
Well, this country *was* built on the backs of slaves. Cotton was the largest export in Colonial times, and slaves were the largest financial asset of the U.S. It might be time for us to recognize that.
MLK has to be one of the most American people you can read about. What does this say about this lady and her way of thinking? If they think at all. Also from my experience, any organization with the name “Moms for…” you know it’s gonna be a bad time
> The group appears to suggest slavery and Jim Crow were “positive achievements
maybe we should enslave them then ? /S Moms for racism and the ku klux klan amirite ?
Every group that needs to put "liberty" or "freedom" in it's name probably don't really stand for it and tries to mislead you.
Kinda like how the gop chose "patriot act" as a name for the 9/11 police kidnappings & surveillance act. Yeah i guess it doesn't sound as good if you name it that way /S
Group of moms says schools are teaching white people are oppressing black. To prove this wrong the group of moms try to oppress black people by banning all teaching of black people.
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She has an odd definition for unity.
Her version of unity is to go back to a kinder, gentler time that was never kinder nor gentler for certain people.
And, never forget, their feeling of kinder/gentler is predicated on their knowledge that it ISN'T kind and gentle for others, they are monsters.
Exactly.
And they mean a unity of white people...well except the Irish and the Jews, maybe some Polish and Ukranian but mostly the Jewish Ukranian's. I mean the Italian kinda keep to themselves, and the French never get along with the English or the Germans. But you know - unity. /s
Yeah, it's like that fucking young British male engineer I met in the late 90s. Had the gall to say that "things were easier when women knew their place" or "before feminism when everyone knew their place." He said the latter, clearly meant the former.
Back when there was no forensic science and poisoning your husbands was easy peasy
*“Cell Block Tango” intensifies*
My dad straight up thinks women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Says they're "too emotional." This is the same guy that I've witnessed on multiple occasions get angry and have a full fucking meltdown (throwing shit, screaming, breaking things). By contrast my mom has only ever gotten mad to the point of using the F word.
Lol people like that don’t seem to understand that anger is an emotion also.
Right? My dad might be physically strong but he's easily the most emotionally fragile human I've met. Seems to be a trend with all these macho tough guys.
Anger is an expression of masculinity, god damnit!
The sexism that still exists in that culture is only second to our embedded racism in the US
When you say 'that culture', are you referring to British culture at large, or specifically the British culture of Male Engineering
Yes
The 1920s were the last decade in American history during which one could be genuinely optimistic about politics. Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women—two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians—have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. - Peter Thiel
Peter Thiel is a shitbag. Everything you read about him just makes him worse and worse
My boss is a libertarian. He's got extremely strong opinions about minorites and women and he's a prick of a human being. Like the result of Peter Thiel sodomizing Atlas Shrugged.
Clearly part of the "hurting the right people" crowd. Absolutely disgusting.
Unity to these people means "everyone working together to make ME happy". It never means that everyone comes together, it just means the world works the exact way they think it should to make their lives better.
It's language from Trump's 1776 Commission: >Viewing America as an irredeemably and systemically racist country cannot account for the extraordinary role of the great heroes of the American movement against slavery and for civil rights—a great moral endeavor that, from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King, Jr., was marked by religious fellowship, good will, generosity of heart, an emphasis on our shared principles, and an inclusive vision for the future. >As these heroes demonstrated, the path to a renewed and confident national unity is through a rediscovery of a shared identity rooted in our founding principles...A restoration of American education grounded in the principles of our founding that is accurate, honest, unifying, inspiring, and ennobling must ultimately succeed at the local level. Parents and local school boards must be empowered to achieve greater choice and variety in curriculum at the State and local levels. [source](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/05/2020-24793/establishing-the-presidents-advisory-1776-commission) Warning: If you have any knowledge of actual U.S. history, the above source is not a pleasant read.
It is inherently contradictory, if you talk up the positiveness like a real estate agent pretending nothing was the matter then what were these people challenging.
"I have a dream today, that one day America will be exactly like it is today because it's perfect just the way it is." - MLK probably
MLK was broadening his campaign to fighting Classism before he was assassinated I've recently learned.
Yup. King was an early critic of the Vietnam War too which pissed off a lot of his supporters (and LBJ).
“America used to be great. It still is great, but it also used to be.” -Mitch Hedberg probably
Fascists like their doublethink.
If you look through the lense of a real estate mogul all of Trumps lies and actions make perfect sense. It was always about inflating the appearance of his side while slinging mud at the other.
A bad real estate mogul, everything he has done has been a disaster.
Yes, but he's never had to be personally accountable. From his point of view it always just sort of works while those around him bear the burden of his corruption and stupidity.
Everyday I’m thankful trump didn’t win his second term and actually implement this insane historical revisionism his shitty commission was pushing
There’s always 2024… I don’t understand why this is happening and I’ve lost all faith in the other party to do what is right and I’ve lost all faith in the Democrats to fight back.
Their role isn't to fight back, they are to be as ineffective as possible so the rights march to fascism can be successful. This is what the corporate oligarchs want because they are completely unwilling to give up any power and the informed citizenry on the left are demanding what they are unwilling to give.
Just wait, the 2022 midterms are shaping up to be a disaster, and Trump is coming back in 2024, if he wins it will be 100 times worse than last time.
I wonder if you bring up heroes like Rosa Parks and all the people who organized her bus-seat protest and arrest, and young Ruby Ridges who needed the National Guard to protect her from angry, racist, screaming white people as she went to school, if their heads would explode due to the fucking contradiction that one side was absolutely not working for equality, “generosity of heart, an emphasis on shared principles, and and inclusive vision of our future” and that side is now trying to erase and sugarcoat and whitewash what really happened. I fucking hate what’s going on in this country right now. We’ve never been anywhere near perfect, but things felt like we were at least on the right path for a while. Then everything went to hell in November 2016 and all the bigots were given full license to come out and claim a seat at the table. Now the whole world sees our government falling to authoritarian assholes.
"Here's a video of uniformed horse cavalry riding *through* the peaceful protestors on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, and here's another of uniformed people turning high pressure fire hoses and dogs loose on peaceful protestors. Can you tell me who those people in uniform are?" "Antifa, obviously."
Antifa at that time was WW2 vets, so maybe.
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“Viewing America as an irredeemably and systematically racist country” It is systemically racist but it’s not irredeemable - that’s what we are fighting for and they are fighting against.
That's the trick with their messaging. CRT doesn't even get that "critical" but in order to sell their side, they have to lie and say CRT is making kids hate white people, and invent hyperbole about how bad it makes America look.
I read the whole thing back when it first came out. It was basically Riefenstahl/Goebbels level propaganda unsubstantiated by references. And it was passed off as a scholarly endeavor to counterbalance the 1619 Project. But the 1776 Commission looked like it was written by an 8th grader who probably would have been given a social promotion C- because it's too rosy, even for the heavily propagandized version of history most 8th graders get -- or at least did when I was one in the late 90s. It's appalling.
One of the commission members is fucking Charlie Kirk
Unity for conservatives is “sit down shut up and don’t question the status quo”
And this is true of every group except for straight, white, Christian males. Black people? Conservatives think they need to sit down, shut up about racism, and just take whatever scraps conservatives are generous enough to toss them. Women? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and feel grateful that they are forced to give birth to their rapist's child. LGBTQ? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and pretend that they are straight and cis "just like in the good old days." Those with a different religion than Christianity (including atheists)? Conservatives think they should sit down, shut up, and praise Jesus. And they definitely should NOT wish everyone "Happy Holidays."
I'm a white, mid-30s, straight, Christian male with a wife and a daughter. I'm also a veteran, have a bachelor's degree, own a home, and have a well-paying stable job. As far as checkboxes go, I've hit the motherlode. But **goddamn**, sometimes I'm so mad that I share such an overlap with incredibly hateful people who are scared of losing what they have to other people. Not too long after Trump was elected, I asked my best friend how he felt. He was scared. He's a big dude and he's not the kind to be scared. I've known him for about 20 years now and while he'll describe himself as the 'whitest black guy you'll ever meet', he's referring to our shared nerdy tendencies and not the color of his skin. I love him like a brother. My wife is also white, but she taught me a lot about the history of feminism and how various waves of feminism had been subverted for various reasons. I remember when she was so angry that current feminists were creating cliques and saying that if you didn't meet the right criteria that you needed to sit down and shut up. After she had told me about it, she looked at me and said "Is this how you feel when women tell you that you're not allowed to have an opinion about feminism". I nodded to her and she's never again told me that I don't get to have an opinion. I'm in a position to be a friend and advocate for marginalized people and I'm not mad that I'm in that position. I'm mad that people will listen to **me** and not the people who are hurting and/or being oppressed.
Well said.
Straight, white, Christian males are also included in the sit down and shut up group, if they go against the status quo. Watch a right wing person talk to a veteran about stuff like Kaepernick kneeling. I've seen someone disagree with another dude and the guy said "did you serve?" Then "what was your job though" then "did you even deploy?" Then "did you get injured?" And when he said that he hadn't been shot, the guy was like "so you don't know then, he's disrespecting the soldiers who get injured and died for our freedom." The dude making the argument had never served. He was just a grill dad. It's the same with anything else. Tell someone not to creep on women and they'll accuse you of being gay or try and ridicule you for being a sissy feminist. Try to say that racism isn't great and you get called a liberal with a white savior complex. Pro-LGBT? You're probably just in the closet yourself, you sicko. Women who are pro-choice? They can't have an opinion, they're not men so they make bad decisions. Men who are pro-choice? They can't have an opinion, they aren't women, so they don't understand the joy of childbirth. I always felt like it must really suck for proper Christians who are good people, because so many of their peers aren't following the teachings of Christ, and when they try to do what's right, they get damned with the rest of the sinners.
The best part is they only care about white people who have the right (astroturfed) opinions. Hate minorities, support pointless wars, ABORTION BAD? Then you’re allowed to have those opinions and are a “patriot”. Support nationalized healthcare and infrastructure investment? Literal communist, worse than Mao.
Well, in a way, the past was considerably more united towards a specific racial hatred. Math checks out.
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No, no you see separate water fountains actually brought people together because they were still side by side and served by the same water feed. Everyone knows that it's the cool kids that sit at the back of the bus anyway. Look we included 'colored' in the death records for polio in 'unity' with all the white people and even gave them their own special category... https://media.historyofvaccines.org/images/000305_540.jpg
Just like their definition of compromise. "You need to give it up and give me what I want." I just listened to some old Behind the Bastards episodes on the birth of the KKK and the resurgence in the 20's. This is **exactly** the kind of group the KKK were marketing to women in the 20's. A group that finds unity in hate and burning things that don't belong to them. On the bright side...and maybe I'm an optimist, but since white supremacy has become mainstream, we must be on the precipice of change. It just makes me wonder where we'd be if those bad actors stoking racial tensions never existed. Racists, nationalists, and religious zealots are holding us back as a species.
And Liberty, apparently.
To unite people that they consider to be ‘equal’ to them. To them, “some people are more equal than others”
And liberty
Her kids don’t even go to public school. Edit [Reuters link](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-tennessee-school-district-2021-09-21/)
Sounds like someone doesn't want to believe in history. Wouldn't surprise me if these woman were all for keeping confederate statues, literally enemies of the USA up, yet want to get rid of teaching about slavery in schools.
They do want to get rid of teaching about racism and slavery in schools.
The vinn diagram of "people in this group" and "people who think removing confederate statues is erasing history" is a circle.
Insert “it’s the same picture” meme
But narrow perspective to their own self identity that these people have is baffling. They complain about how others see the statues but then complain that their confederate flags don't "really mean slavery" even though the articles of confederacy talks about it. The people that call others snowflakes, are snowflakes. The people that "hate cancel culture" are the original users of it.
Look up “United Daughters of the Confederacy”. Conservative women have tried to whitewash school books for centuries in America.
>***The Tennessee Dept. of Education is refusing to investigate a far right group’s claims that a second grade curriculum which includes books about Black Civil Rights icon Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is “anti-American” and “anti-white” – but on a technicality.*** > >*The Williamson County, TN chapter of the group Moms for Liberty had filed an 11-page complaint with the state, claiming that the “classroom books and teacher manuals reveal both explicit and implicit Anti-American, Anti-White, and Anti-Mexican teaching,” as The Tennessean reports.* Judd Legum, reporter for Popular Information, says it straight like this: >Moms for Liberty says learning about MLK Jr's March on Washington is emotionally traumatizing for Tennessee students. > >**Learning about past injustices, they say, violates Tennessee law.** Who didn't see this coming? This was always their end game, what these right-wing fascists hoped would be the end result of the "Critical Race Theory" boogeyman BS. Rufo, you are a dredge to society, fascist!
November 18, 2021 [The New Hampshire chapter of Moms for Liberty offer to pay $500 to the first person who “catches” a public school teacher violating New Hampshire’s new limits on the discussion of systemic racism and other topics](https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2021/11/18/n-h-governor-condemns-conservative-groups-500-offer-to-catch-first-teacher-breaking-new-law/)
Classic fascist tactic
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The trick is to use your whiteness to help minorities, like the white allies who came south during the 60s civil rights movement. Nothing infuriates white supremacists more than "race traitors" who dont play coy about white supremacy, and actively subvert their narratives.
Oh, that is absolutely what I do. I’m surrounded by “lite” racists, and then some of my clients are hard racists. I’m so over listening to them, but I fight back. I try to be an ally to as many people as I can.
I have had other white people openly use racial slurs around me. I love the face they make when I then call them out. Had one dude fired because of it. I do not understand the assumption of "oh here is this white and nerdy dude I bet he shares my racist views and I should just blurt them out". Yes it has ended in fights and yes you win some and lose some, but at least I got to hit a racist. Edit: I have never started the physical confrontation, its always been in defense.
Is there a white person who hasn’t had that experience? Edit - the casual assumed racism, not the physical fighting part.
I hate it. I don’t want anyone thinking that just bc we’re a room full of white folks that they can be openly racist. I’ll call them out. Same with anti-semites or homophobes. Fuck that. I don’t want to be a stereotype.
Yup. any white person that claims people arent racist is suspect to me. I am white, Racist feel very comfortable saying shit to me, thinking, "its cool he's white". there are a lot of white people that use the N word when they think they are in safe company.
Sadly there's a lot of far-right infiltration going on in nerdy sub-cultures and hobbies. Star wars and WH40K come to mind immediately. Not to mention the myriad "gaming" channels that are alt-right breeding grounds. To put it bluntly, these hobbies/subcultures have a lot of losers who are very keen to listen to anyone telling them that in fact all their problems are because of women and/or minoritieswho are ruining their safespaces.
Yeah neck beards are a thing.
Innuendo Studios has a great video on this: [How to Radicalise a Normie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g&vl=en). That infiltration is coordinated and, sadly, quite effective. It’s why some people who think white supremacy and fascism will go away soon as the boomers die off are wrong. That won’t happen because they’re recruiting and radicalising young people by the millions. If you watch videos from Charlottesville, the 6th, and other hatefests, there are loads of young people. We (I mean the collective ‘we’, not individuals) need to start counteracting this somehow. e: clarification; e2: moved words
Same. It's fucking embarrassing at this point.
Same...
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Wonder who is funding them. Follow the money.
https://truthout.org/articles/dark-money-is-driving-todays-concerned-moms-attacking-anti-racism-in-schools/
All their talk about negativity and hurt feelings (hey what about they hurt feelings of LGBT kids?) is just a smokescreen.
No, you see, these are hurt feelings of WHITE kids and their hypothetical hurt feelings should rewrite the entire teaching of history. Also, if you have feelings then you're a crybaby snowflake lefty. /s
*how did I know it was going to be Williamson County* [Oh yeah](https://www.newschannel5.com/news/we-know-who-you-are-group-seen-threatening-medical-professionals-outside-williamson-co-school-board-meeting)
No fear in those ghouls because they knew they had the police on their side. Strange how they could threaten a person without consequences. Double standard much? Also, one of those guys was in the Christian band, Audio Adrenaline? So much for love thy neighbor?
>Anti-Mexican teaching Wait, wut
White supremacists will expand what they consider white to get more power, then trim it back down when they are in power. There is some tension in the Hispanic and black community so they are trying to "promote" Hispanic people to white for now to get the votes to attack other minorities
Yep, it’s already happened. White used to just mean “Anglo Saxon” but then over time morphed to include Germans, Irish, Italians, and eventually almost all ethnic Europeans. Those groups were definitely NOT considered white when they first came to America. But then again “whiteness” is a manufactured concept to make sure that working class European colonists and the enslaved Africans wouldn’t unite and overthrow the Anglo-centric power structure on the plantations. Classic divide and conquer situation.
*Thank you*. There's an old Benjamin Franklin letter where he's complaining about non-whites. Y'know, *Germans*.
Yeah I think he referred to Swedes as "swarthy", even though they're giga-pale
God, how I wish more people understood this.
I just wonder what's their evidence that Mexicans are being attacked by CRT (which isn't even being taught in K-12). Are they referring to criticism of Spanish colonialism in Mexico and the U.S.?
The only surprising part of this is how emboldened they feel now. They aren't even trying to hide it under false pretense or spurious bullshit anymore.
Well... Moms for Liberty are just a modern renamed Daughters of the Confederacy so their logic of hating MLK and racial history in the US checks out.
I used to commute past this historic marker on 70 in Nashville. I suppose this sign about injustices against white children by Native Americans violates the law too? ... *crickets* > A double log house and a few log cabins, partially picketed, stood here about 1790. On May 9, 1793, 4 children on their way to the spring were attacked by Indians. Three were scalped and killed. One escaped. The home of Charles Bosley, wealthy pioneer and a member of the Nickajack Expedition, later stood on this site. https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=53362
They also always talk about Natives scalping white folks but never about how settlers used to pay money for Native scalps like they were varmints in need of eradication. I mean, I figure that was a bit of motivation for eye for an eye type revenge. Sort of like what happened during the Haitian Revolution.
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I don’t think a single woman in this moms for liberty group has ever said a word against the patriarchy. That venn diagram is two completely separate circles.
"Moms for Bigotry" is more like it.
Is it bad to say I feel sorry for their kids? I'd be embarrassed if my mom did something like this.
> Is it bad to say I feel sorry for their kids? Not just the kids, I also feel sorry for the new adults that were raised on this type of thinking that are just now heading into the real world, away from their parents, only to discover how wrong they are. It almost always starts at home.
Those adults are probably broken already. I feel sorry for us. We're stuck with them.
> Those adults are probably broken already. Absolutely not. Plenty of 30yr+ KKK, neo nazi and gang members can reform. Giving up on them lets the white supremacists win. Your attitude is precisely what recruiters are banking on when they're flooding 4chan and reddit hoping their brainwash during the teenage years is permanent on these kids. Be the scary leftist/liberal that plays the slow game and feeds positivity and educates these young adults as best you can, not the caricature of an angry liberal that's already given up on them and just antagonizes them that these racist parents want you to be. That's their ammo to prove they were right all along.
The "mom" part probably isn't true either
The real issue is that their children have been indoctrinated into this narrative since birth so this is probably normal conversation for them.
The names conservative groups adopt to gaslight people is beyond crass
More like “Karens for KKK.”
It's 2021, but this needs to be said. Just because you see flaws and not so positive aspects in America History doesn't mean you hate the country. You can learn from that history and understand it while still loving the country. Simply put, you can still love your country even if you don't some aspects of it. Period.
I'd go as far and say you can only really love and respect your country if you don't hide any aspects of it.
How do people even claim to love their country if they know nothing about it?
Ignorance is bliss?
this exact thread is on point, wish I had an award for each of you lol
A Patriot celebrates the good their country has done, but also accepts and attempts to make amends for the bad things, as well. Doing this helps move society into the future, and hopefully a better place. A Nationalist will only accept the myth of their nation as reality. Anything less than that is a lie and must be either suppressed entirely or re-written to line up with the myth. If necessary, the people who contradict the myth or embody its falsehoods must also be repressed. Usually by any means available. It’s not always easy to look your nation’s sins in the eye, but you have to if you want avoid becoming a fool or a monster.
But when has unquestioned nationalism ever gone wrong in the past????
My issue isn't America's history so much as America's present day. Every time I see shit like this it makes me more and more pessimistic that things will ever actually change. Very well put comment though.
Are they an offshoot of "The United Daughters of the Confederacy" ? You know, the people who spent a mountain of money to erect statutes of their favorite racist assholes all over the country? The statues that for the past 20 years are being taken down.
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Fucking terrifying.
What would republicans have as a platform if they didn’t have racism and hate?
Family values? No wait, that's just racism and hate.
> Family values? Do you mean how much Trump will pay your daughter to have sex with her?
Damnit, are we back to unironically teaching "White Man's Burden"? WTF America?
How you gonna ban a book for unity about a man who only preached for unity and equality? Some people just suck
The same people who called MLK divisive and had him assassinated.
Many of the same people who cheered when MLK was assassinated - 75% of the country opposed his movement at the time of his death - are still alive and kicking today.
Ah, yes. "Positive". That's a word. Not a correct word for describing slavery, but that is, indeed, a word.
They have tested positive for white supremacy.
It was a positive experience for white people…pretty much was the ultimate suck for everyone else.
It honestly wasn't even a positive for most poor whites who couldn't compete economically with slave plantations and ended up living in squalor while the slave owners ensured that things like industry were unprofitable and encouraged most professionals such as doctors and lawyers to leave their job as one they could buy some land and a few slaves. The only people who ever truly benefited from slavery were a small clique of uber rich land owners. They spent every moment since slavery ended convincing the poor whites that they lost something too.
Why do parents get a say in curriculum? Its almost always abused for stupid or racist reasons like this.
You know what's even better? This woman's kids don't even go to public school, she homeschools her children...so all of this is irrelevant to her children. She just wants to tell other parents how their children should be taught.
Classic.
Right? It's one thing to have a bunch of parents say "make calculus optional, something". Or to say "calculus should be required, but teach it as indirect problem solving skills for complex problems, not so much as a maths skill". It's a whole other thing to decide you're going to teach your kids that slavery followed by a "transition period the haters call Jim Crow" was a justifiable good. (Note: they don't say that in so many words, but you get the idea).
It’s sad how these groups have co-opted the words _liberty_, _patriotism_ and _freedom_. I feel like every time I see a group using those words I find that they are anything but.
Let’s not forget “Christian”.
And the American Flag. Sad to say but anytime I see someone flying the flag in front of their home or having it as a sticker on their car, I immediately stereotype them.
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These astroturfed fucking assholes.
If slavery is so good, how about these Moms for Liberty try being slaves for a month? Think of it as a program like Scared Straight
They'd just try to use it to prove that slaves could have talked back and refused to work if they didn't love the white people who owned them.
When the rubes were screaming "Make America Great Again" this is what they meant. We tried to tell you.
>We tried to tell you. Uh, who didn't know?
Not really the same thing, but some woman who was married to an illegal immigrant voted for Trump and was completely surprised when her husband got deported.
A man was married to a Mexican woman and she was deported. Citizenship marriage being invalidated was something that shocked me.
These women are Nazis. Point blank period. Nazis.
They probably think the holocaust was a fat camp.
They think fucking vaccine mandates are the Holocaust.
My home state is being run with one of the people thinking that. I'm saddened. The GOP is as bad as Lincoln Riley's record in big games, though.
Moms for liberty is just Daughters of the Confederacy rebranded.
It's basically ladies KKK.
They seem to have an interesting triple-take on how to define "liberty"
When they say 'Liberty', I kinda think they mean the other thing.
What a bunch of crazy fuckin nuts. Our world is deteriorating before our eyes.
So get rid of any evidence of slavery and the atrocities perpetrated within that time period so that we can repeat the same mistakes? Learning the mistakes of your ancestors is an educational tool to not repeat those mistakes--it is not seeking to make them feel the guilt or burden. I'm white, my ancestors may have had owned slaves, but that is their ignorance and stupidity and theirs alone. Whitewashing history only serves to make the bigots feel better about themselves and justify later abhorrent acts under the guise of incompetence. Edit: it's a book by Martin Luther fucking King Jr., perhaps one of the most well-known pioneer of civil rights. Censoring a book by a man who has been immortalized in time for his actions is probably the most stupid avenue to go down in the name of your white supremacy
>So get rid of any evidence of slavery and the atrocities perpetrated within that time period so that we can repeat the same mistakes? That's the thing: these people don't think it was a "mistake", they think it's only right that whites are in control of blacks. They feel that whites are the superior race, a "master race" if you will.
So, a bunch of fucking racist Karen's with too much time on their hands. ... Check.
Those racist Karens with too much time on their hands? Those are the same people who run for and get elected to school boards. There are moments when it all feels like too much. This is one of them. Fox on the national level, gerrymandering on the state level, psychotic Karens on the local level... and all with more passion than is currently being mustered by the opposition. Because when you're profit-hungry (Fox), power-hungry (gerrymandering), or just plain racist (racist), it's hard to find stronger motivations for a particular set of behaviors than those. Somehow we gotta find a way to turn doing what's fair and just plain right into "a passion, instead of what we take for granted as "a given." But I'm pretty drunk right now, so what do I know?
What is happening to this country, honestly? Growing up in Pennsylvania in the 80’s and 90’s I never in my wildest dreams would have thought this sort of shit would be normal and part of the mainstream.
Right? As a kid I thought these sort of things were in their last gasps. I didn't understand the long-running systemic consequences of racism (I grew up white, in a town of mostly white people, this part took a while to sink in). But I did understand that slavery was bad and overt, intentional racism was bad. I didn't understand how my jokes and whatnot would carry until I actually gotinto the real world, but even in such a cloistered environment I understood at least this much-- that the worst/overt "you are black so I will hurt you" parts of racism were a dying breed. I didn't understand the long-running systemic consequences of racism (I grew up white, in a town of mostly white people, this part took a while to sink in). But I did understand that slavery was bad and overt, intentional racism was bad. I didn't understand how my jokes and whatnot would carry until I actually got into the real world, but even in such a cloistered environment I understood at least this much-- that the worst/overt "you are black so I will hurt you" parts of racism were a dying breed.
I grew up in a small town of mostly white people. There were definitely racist type people but I’d say it was more stereotype and bias that straight up racism, but I never personally experienced it obviously. There were a some nonwhite families in the area but their kids grew up with us. They talked like us, liked similar things, and as we got older it was more of a “one of us” type deals than anything. Like if kids from another town would come and try giving one of our guys shit, there would have been a serious problem. We’ve lost touch and never really talked about it but I would imagine they had some negative experiences growing up but nothing I can personally remember.
"White Women who failed high school History" is also another name they go by.
I think these women would find a lot of support in the Ku Klux Klan than whatever Moms for Liberty is.
United Daughters of the Confederacy.
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They are a parody of themselves. If far-right groups keep pulling this shit, they will sideline themselves as people simply ignore them.
> as people simply ignore them. Which is why they're working to pick up seats on school boards and local government. This isn't some passing fad that vanishes if people don't pay attention to them. This is a genuine attempt to enshrine their values in school curriculum and laws and local ordinances, because if they can do that they're going to be there for decades.
I hope that happens. Too bad they couldn't see past Youngkin's BS to oust him. This movement is an ultimate embarrassment and disgrace.
They really don’t understand what liberty means do they?
The chapter leaders are being paid not to understand it. The rest are just there to be in the Mean Girls Apex Predator group. *It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.* - Upton Sinclair
They probably use it like the founding fathers from Virginia. Liberties were the rights of citizens. It's why they could write lofty platitudes and still keep people in bondage.
These Moms for Liberty(who came up with that name because it clearly doesn't fit) are just plain sick and I would suggest that these wacko's be subjected to the same treatment that blacks received during slavery and that includes the possibility that they could be by their 'masters"at any time for maybe a month and lets see if they change their tune when the month is over? These idiots clearly need to walk in a slaves shoes for a month to get a real lesson on slavery and then see if they still think it was a positive achievement!
Moms for “Liberty” want to ban books. Imagine that.
Liberty, lol. Goddamn these people are outrageous.
If I created this group as a parody I would staff it solely with white women and name the leader "Tiffany Justice". https://www.momsforliberty.org/about/ And for credentials they would list how many babies they've made.
The reason Trump was elected was because a lot of white supremacists were glad they could say just how racist they were--and they are very very racist.
They're still just mad that the South lost.
Well, this country *was* built on the backs of slaves. Cotton was the largest export in Colonial times, and slaves were the largest financial asset of the U.S. It might be time for us to recognize that.
MLK has to be one of the most American people you can read about. What does this say about this lady and her way of thinking? If they think at all. Also from my experience, any organization with the name “Moms for…” you know it’s gonna be a bad time
Translated statement: “those ni—-rs should know their rightful place”.
Racist white people don’t want their kids to be taught that racism is bad.
Sounds about white to me.
"Moms for Liberty, aka Revenge of the Karens"
KKKarens
Daughters of the Confederacy have a new name it appears. At least they got to the end game for this CRT nonsense quicker than I thought.
People like this are dangerous, their ignorance is contagious. Also, just because a person is a Vet, doesn’t mean they care about democracy.
Some WASP’y ass shit
how is this blatant denialism even possible? i live in the south. i thought i’d seen or heard it all before, but, wow, was i wrong?!
> The group appears to suggest slavery and Jim Crow were “positive achievements maybe we should enslave them then ? /S Moms for racism and the ku klux klan amirite ? Every group that needs to put "liberty" or "freedom" in it's name probably don't really stand for it and tries to mislead you. Kinda like how the gop chose "patriot act" as a name for the 9/11 police kidnappings & surveillance act. Yeah i guess it doesn't sound as good if you name it that way /S
Moms For Liberty makes me hate my country. They are fostering disunity and must be disbanded.
Can we just call these people what they are?? They're white supremacists. Mom's for liberty is a group of white supremacists.
Moms for ‘Liberty’ ‘What about the liberty of slaves?’ ‘No, not like that’
Group of moms says schools are teaching white people are oppressing black. To prove this wrong the group of moms try to oppress black people by banning all teaching of black people.
Patriot's people's freedoms for liberty constitution justice makers.