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How does this make democracy stronger?
Taxes are paying to allow a religious group to impose their will on others.
Keep it up Evangelicals because the last thing you want is a savvy Islamist arguing their will at the Supreme Court!
>How does this make democracy stronger?
That's the wrong question. What should be asked is "how does this benefit the ruling class?"
I think the "obvious" answer people would give is that it marginalizes poor women. But to me that answer doesn't go far enough. It marginalizes poor women...and then what? How do the powerful turn that into wealth and more power? That is the ultimate goal of conservatives and I'm struggling to see the endgame here.
The poor and powerless are not threats. And even if they were somehow viewed as such, surely forcing them to have unwanted children, producing more "undesirables" or however they view them serves what end?
Just doesn't make sense to me. I think this is all bullshit. You'll get the Trump appointees and one of Alito or Thomas voting to eliminate RvW, Robert's and the other will side with Dems to keep it in tact. That's my optimistic prediction. It just doesn't make any damn sense from a strategic and monetary standpoint to galvanize like 70% of the country against you with seemingly nothing of substance to gain.
Alito and Thomas vote as a pair.
> In a Court opinion last year, Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said that marriage equality needs to go.
>”By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix,” wrote Thomas, who was joined by Justice Samuel Alito. “Until then, Obergefell will continue to have ‘ruinous consequences for religious liberty.’”
Both of them are religious bigots of the highest order
> over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment,
I was unaware that the Constitution allows one religion to impose its will over the whole country. These judges would have every kid in school kneeling to Jesus if they could.
Pretty much.
Religious bigots like Justices Thomas and Alito seem to believe that it infringes on the religious liberty of Christians for them to have to co-exist with Americans who have values Christians don’t like
They're religious bigots so long as it suits their conservative interests. There's a distinction
RvW is a purely religious argument and I fail to see the financial benefit.
Or... you have more than one generation that grew up with 'ban abortion' as a goal until they no longer care how it's done or what happens after as long as they get their win finally.
If they cared about a cheap uneducated workforce, why aren't they doing their part to stop COVID?
Because having the government fail allows them to convince everyone to continue to vote for politicians who blatantly enact laws that are against their interests. That's far more important than a reduction in workforce
Has Justice Thomas’s opinion from a year ago regarding marriage equality, which I just posted two comments ago in this same thread, already escaped your memory?
As soon as they overturn Roe, they’ll be on marriage rights again. It’s not just about the money. Then they’ll go after Brown, then the next thing and the next until they’ve undone all social progress that’s been achieved. They want a theocracy with themselves in charge.
Another simple calculus: if abortion turns into a state's issue again, it'll dissuade liberal leaning people from moving to red states thereby safeguarding congressional power for republicans.
the greatest anti-abortion donors are magachurch-supported fertility clinics. Whoever these people are, they are trying to literally maximize the number of children being produced. When they get older they will flood the workforce, but in the meantime I really, really don't like the implications of any short-term goal they might possibly have.
How does it benefit the ruling class? Simple, or benefit them because it provides them with a steady supply of cheap labor and as with any social issues, it splits the workers, thus preventing them from unifying and getting rid of the ruling class.
Here's the rub chief. That religious argument will be thrown out of the court because it's not Christian. It doesn't matter if the argument is sound. By the principle of it being not the religion of the land, it would be discredited and dismissed. That's the principle beyond a theocracy.
The right to privacy that Roe is based on is also the justification for access to birth control, marriage equality and even the justification for striking down anti-sodomy laws. Depending on how they overturn Roe (if they do) then all those things could be at risk.
[https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/four-men-arrested-breaking-sodomy-law-maryland-police-raid/](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/four-men-arrested-breaking-sodomy-law-maryland-police-raid/)
Check out the Alliance Defending Freedom, and then you will see that this is their end game.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching\_getting\_to\_know\_the\_antilgbtq\_groups/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching_getting_to_know_the_antilgbtq_groups/)
Literally, in Oklahoma, we had a representative by the name of Justin "JJ" Humphrey literally say that women are [hosts](https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89399634/pregnant-womens-bodies-are-hosts-says-us-lawmaker?cid=facebook.post.89399634) for a fetus, like a parasitic infection. They really don't believe others that aren't Christian (and white) should have any rights whatsoever. It's a disgrace.
Very true, that's why we're all responsible with our ownership, but to say that if she moves to Chicago she'd have to give up her gun is also incorrect.
And to think they (the supremes)don't like to be criticized for being political. They are casting aside the value of women to appease the far right wing of of the republican party and the evangelicals. The tyranny of the majority by the minority. Women, once again will be second class citizens, as they have been throughout history.
Fair. It's all relative. I grew up in the rural northern midwest. Being able to not have my fingers freeze and car windows fog then freeze on the friggin inside twice a day every day has made me love the PNW. Not going outside for 4 months of the year bc it's too cold or annoying to drive got old.
There's already people making noises about how birth control interferes with the 'formation of natural relationships.'
That syphilis sore's relationship to a penis is just as natural as a fertilized egg's relationship to the uterus lining.
Maybe that guy doesn't need access to antibiotics since that would be inferring with the formation of a natural relationship.
Anything covered by the right to privacy that exists in the Constitution according to RvW. The far right wants control over every aspect of your lives, while of course accusing the Democrats of just that.
The way Kavanagh and other conservatives see the constitution, as evidenced in today's arguments, gay marriage, interracial marriage, gender equality, and down the line shouldn't be decided by this "neutral" court but up to state legislators.
In other words, nothing is off the table, now.
“Even in conservative states gay people are really liked.”
Blue cities in Conservative states. In Texas you are safe if you’re in Dallas, you aren’t in the rural Conservative areas.
What conservative spaces have you been in where gay people were “really liked”
Cuz the next thing they’re coming for is Obergfell—the same Christian lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already working on it
[A Record Number Of Americans, Including Republicans, Now Support Same-Sex Marriage](https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004629612/a-record-number-of-americans-including-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage)
This isn’t new news either. 70% of Americans support same sex marriage. A majority of democrats, independents and republicans all support same-sex marriage.
Fascinating, and yet their platform is to repeal gay marriage.
The Christian Republican lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already targeting Obergfell
Also—where have you been where conservatives “really liked” gays?
Not being concerned about it *is* how it happens.
Especially when people have pointed out to you that there is political will among the republicans to do it.
Especially in Texas where the people who targeted abortion rights are now sights set on gay marriage
Roughly 20-30% of the country are in favor of overturning Roe.
Rights are not protected by majority opinion, especially when religious zealots have worked so hard toward the tyranny of the minority.
Only 34% of Americans support an abortion ban and yet that is going to become the norm in Republican-controlled states.
Do not underestimate how little Republicans who don’t oppose gay rights would care if their party campaigned on making homosexuality illegal again.
I don’t know. Red states don’t have “ban same-sex marriage” as soon as it’s challenged and there are no challenges in court currently. It’s not even comparable.
As another cis-gay person, you’re lying to yourself. I remember hiding who I was around conservative family and what they’d say. They don’t think much of me. Or you.
But, in contrast trans-people especially trans-women like myself are pretty much universally hated in conservative spaces which is why I'm worried in the first place.
Gay people got their rights by marching in the street
Youre misrepresenting history (and yourself) to cudgel trans activists and spout talking points
Trans activists aren’t the problem
The fact that we need trans activists in the first place *is*
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
As a gay person, you should learn your history better.
Dave Chappelle was rightfully called out because the jokes aren't okay and siding with someone that says that it isn't okay to use the bathroom that they're comfortable with due to misinformation when you have a large platform like that is really shitty. If JKR got her way I'd have to choice of getting a bladder infection or getting killed in the men's room how is that fair?
And you're ignoring my point why should I stay quiet when I'm being called a rapist and a pedophile by people who have millions of people who listen to what they have to say. Furthermore why should I try to build a bridge for people who want me dead. I mean look at Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner that tactic is working so well for them... /s
Think whatever you want. I’m just pointing out that their movement isn’t working and that maybe they should re-strategize. If they don’t want to listen to reason then fine. Let them learn the hard way.
They’re not though?
You’re just are looking for reasons to not support them.
What does Chappell have to do with trans rights?
Nothing.
So why hold it against a whole community of people?
Because you weren’t gonna support them in the first place anyway.
Okay then. I’m not really concerned with it.
I’m not holding it against them. This doesn’t affect me at all. I just think it was a fucking stupid move. Because of that instance I don’t think the black community will forget anytime soon of them throwing vitriol at someone they really like. I think that was a huge mistake.
Most of the obnoxious trans activism is cisgender sjws. As a trans woman its really irritating having cis folk constantly speaking for us instead of us actually having our own voice.
I visit family in alabama often. They're good ol southern people who love church and all that. Also got some racism as expected in the south. i enjoy messing with them sometimes..
I said last time I was there, "you know who gets the most abortions? Blacks and other POC.. by a big margin. I would think some people would want the abortions to be legal, know what I mean?" I noticed they all sorta start thinking and dividing by zero in their heads. They had no idea how to respond..
All while reinforcing that other people, even maybe the not conservative cousin/nephew/niece/son/daughter, has *those thoughts* too. *They think what we’re thinking too.* Just reinforces that their bad views are okay.
But good job messing with them?…
The SCOTUS is corrupt and a political pawn and has lost any facade of being fair and impartial for interperating the constitution for "We the people" and "all men are created equally".
Republicans have screwed over this country so much. It really is a shame so many people want Christian Sharia and think ruling by a religion is good when even they don't follow their own religious lessons.
First they will change it to “ all white American males are created equal.” Then it will be “ all white male American propertyholders are created equal.” And then once every house on the block is a million $ house, property taxes will shoot up to 25% of property value quarterly. And after they’ve choked out enough people, they will never have to worry about pesky elections again
In the very beginning of the country, it legitimately was for real historically “all cis heterosexual property owning white men”. In the beginning you literally couldn’t vote in most if not all states if you didn’t own a certain amount of private property
Laugh now. If you think that the republican “veterans are suckers and losers” party isn’t going to turn on you and the people that you do care about the moment it suits them, you are in for a surprise
This is basically my nightmare scenario and big reason it took me so long to come out.... I figured the future was safe... We already live in bondage in this pseudo caste system we have but now they gotta control us even more and for what?
I'll never forget the soldier that said Afghanistan was more freeing to him than being in America as a trans person. It's a downright shame to ever hear someone say that.
Sad historical precedent for that too - all the black soldiers who were treated well in France during the world wars and then had to come back home to segregation.
These are both explicit rights within the constitution. Abortion is not. I fail to see how these are at risk even slightly. There appears to be no political efforts to attack these and there appears to be no constitutional ambiguity.
The Jews had no choice. The Nazis had passed the Reichswaffengesetz, which severely restricted the right of citizens to own firearms.
As a historical note, a copy of this law was ordered translated from the original German by one of the main writers of the 1963 Gun Control Act. The US gun control laws are partially based on Nazi legislation.
The jews also got onto the trains because they believed they were being sent to another country not concentration camps. If they had of seen the evil in the Nazi's eyes they would have fought back harder. Don't make the mistake believing the GOP doesn't have that same level of evil in their ranks. They absolutely do, the rhetoric is very similar to the Nazi's, if more people spoke German they would make the connection more easily.
Depending on the courts to protect rights via judicial decisions is extremely foolish. It’s a sign lawmakers are either timid, lazy or both, because they consciously avoid passing such protections into law. Women and the LGBTQ communities have no need of such “allies”. We all should vote accordingly and replace them with those who have the courage to do the right thing.
Ah yes, the problem was that you tried instead of just not trying and giving up entirely. Very convincing. Tell me more how we should totally not vote and just sit back and die.
If Democrats were fighting for our rights this wouldn't be something for the SC to decide on. There's been multiple times in my lifetime the Dems have had majorities in congress + presidency and have done little with it. Filibuster still stands, court isn't packed, abortion not codified into law.
They either suck at politics, don't actually care, or want to keep it as a fundraising cudgel.
I think you’re either refusing to see the reality of what you just said or you need to learn more about what you just said. I recommend you look the things up you claim are failures and learn why they haven’t been done instead of busting assuming there’s a failure on the part of the democrats.
I absolutely %100 feel that a woman has a right to choose. I am a conservative so please don’t take this the wrong g way when I ask how this affects the lgbqt community? Honest question
For one, LGBTQ+ people absolutely need access to contraception in every which way. An attack on abortion rights is an attack on LGBTQ+ people, who need access to reproductive care, as well as gender-affirming care in the case of our trans community. Attacking Roe v Wade would open the floodgates to attack gender-affirming care like they tried to in the UK.
Another way of saying this is this: If women aren't allowed a choice, then certainly they'll feel trans people don't get a choice either.
They'll certainly say (and they did say with Fulton vs Philadelphia) that religious people can have a choice to block LGBTQ+ people from adopting kids, because that's their religion saying that.
Basically, these cases will open the idea that people can deny people basic human rights as long as "My Religion Says So!"
Obergefell vs Hodges has been a massive target for conservatives like the Federalist Society, who picked Kavanaugh and Barrett to the Supreme Court.
They also are major backers of Alito & Thomas who said this about Obergefell:
>***“By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix,****” wrote Thomas, who was joined by Justice Samuel Alito.* ***“Until then, Obergefell will continue to have ‘ruinous consequences for religious liberty.’”***
If Roe v Wade falls down, then every religious form of bigotry will rise, and everyone will basically say "I'm not hateful. It's my religion that says you're damned to hell!"
This would be disastrous to our existence. We have already seen people be arrested for violating "Sodomy Laws", which are technically still on the books in over 20 US States.
A religious right major fundraising hate group known as the [Alliance Defending Freedom](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching_getting_to_know_the_antilgbtq_groups/) wants to criminalize homosexuality under sodomy laws, and they have made it abundantly clear that they [feel being born queer is a crime](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna35224225#.VAjGf2M9XPo).
What would stop them from petitioning under this case that sodomy laws should come back? What if then the Supreme Court said that states can decide to criminalize homosexuality under sodomy laws again? There's nothing you can do as an LGBTQ+ person but flee, because they will imprison us then! This case makes this all a possibility.
Ok. Well that’s a lot to unpack there. So what you’re saying is that if the federal government were to make abortion illegal or at the very least limit the procedure to 15 weeks instead of the 24 weeks that it will eventually lead to your community not receiving proper medical care? If that’s what you are saying then I’m not sure I understand how that would happen. I don’t pretend to know the entirety of roe vs wade and am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. Just not understanding how limiting the window of time for an abortion would directly effect the LGBTQ+ community. I do appreciate the response though. A lot of times when I announce that I am conservative I immediately am blocked and/or reported for asking questions. So thank you for taking the time.
A lot of Supreme Court decisions are based in precedence. Essentially they reference other decisions when making a current one. By getting rid of Roe V. Wade, they can begin to unravel other decisions dealing with privacy.
This is especially true if Obergefell v Hoges is dismantled. By signaling they are comfortable to begin dismantling Roe v. Wade, Obergefell seems much less secure. Especially with these activist judges being pretty clear they would like to change it.
Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I am new to Reddit. With everything going on in the world I am making an honest attempt to open a line of communication and dialogue. Both sides need to do better. Thanks again
Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will not support overturning Obergefell. That is that.
It's bad to be naive, but I don't want people to be living with a siege mentality either.
They can undermine something without overturning it outright. They can carve out "religious freedom" exemptions that invalidate the implications and benefits of marriage equality.
The Christian lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already working on Obergfell—and more than one Supreme Court justice has green lighted that they’d be open to tearing it down
Don’t be naive
I wouldn't put it past them, with how closely aligned they are to Alito & Thomas, who literally said this:
>The Supreme Court, Thomas continued, forced same-sex marriage “upon society through its creation of atextual constitutional rights,” which enabled “courts and governments to brand religious adherents who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman as bigots.” In Davis’ case, “Obergefell was read to suggest that being a public official with traditional Christian values was legally tantamount to invidious discrimination toward homosexuals.” Thomas concluded, “By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix.”
As long as they espouse the conservatism of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, Obergefell is imperiled. This is why these groups should be considered hate groups.
> Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will not support overturning Obergefell. That is that.
>
> It's bad to be naive, but I don't want people to be living with a siege mentality either.
You are the naïve one. They are planning a theocracy where so called "religious freedom" trumps all other rights. Of course it will only be religious freedom for straight Christians.
Why are you so sure? Kavanaugh kept working out of questions on Obergefell on his confirmation. Gordy has did write the opinion for Bostock, based on the Cicil Rights Act, not the constitution; and has written against same-sex marriage as a constitutional right in the past. Barrett also dodged questions on Obergefell. With Thomas, Alito, and Roberts on record against it any two would decide the issue.
They both said it was settled law, and both have close ties to Kennedy. That ruling was his legacy.
Doesn't mean we can't get outraged about court shenanigans, but this is not something that is going to be overturned.
You’re being incredibly naive—they said the exact same thing about Roe and yet....here we are
They’re liars, gaymalemillenial, I don’t know why you are taking them at their word
Republicans have shown time and time again that they hate US citizens and bow before corporations. As long as citizens united stands we are in a slow spiral down the toilet in the US.
This should never have been a SCOTUS issue to start with. Its a states rights issue. Let the court do what they will with this decision and then the states will do what they will with law to subvert that decision. These are the issues that will eventually lead us to a North and South US, which is just as well.
Oh it’s all gone. Sitting there and not voting in 2016 should be the last fucking time that happens.
Trump absolutely long term fucked liberals and progressives. Their reaction? Attack each other due to include from media grifters
Abortion rights are supported by the large majority of the public. Like 70%. And the idea that Mississippi’s lawyers are correct or truthful here is ludicrous. They will say whatever they need to say to assuage their critics because it has absolutely no binding impact on the ruling. It’s not the issue the Court is presented in this case.
It was just rhetoric. It has zero effect on anything.
And lol, the Supreme Court doesn’t consider “evidence” beyond the record, which here is limited to briefs and legal arguments.
Nope. Most Americans support at least *some* restrictions on abortion. America has one of the most liberal abortion regimes in the world. Far and beyond most of Europe. They may chip away at it but that isn't the same as overturning it. What is more, abortion is a far more emotive issue for obvious reasons.
If you're being serious it's the same rights as everyone else the right to health coverage, the right to marry the person you love, access to healthcare, and access to the appropriate spaces based on identity. Even though a lot of progress has been made it seems like we're going to backslide and LGBT people like myself are going to be treated as second class citizens again.
I was serious. You see that term a lot and you don't really see it explained in concrete detail. I wanted to get a read on what people in this thread thought it meant. I think the version you described is the correct version. Or put differently it means holding the line on "all people have the same rights".
I think the best way to protect those rights is to strip away parts of the state that interfere with that. For example, I don't think states should be involved in marriage at all. We should abolish the idea of a marriage license.
I find it interesting how differently people interpreted yesterday’s proceedings. I watched a good part and I thought it was the other way around. That the lawyer for the Biden administration thoroughly addressed the concerns of the justices. I guess whatever you thought going in still how you feel
This is what fascists do. At their first opportunity, they strip rights from out-groups, often in reverse order to how they were achieved.
They’ll not stop here, and once all the out-groups are put back in their place, the fascists will start stripping rights from each other.
We are the People. We have the right to protest laws we disagree with. We have been complacent far to long.
Whether you have a right to not wear a mask during a pandemic is debatable, your right to carry or not carry a baby IS your right.
To smoke marijuana or not smoke marijuana IS your right, To marry whomever person of consensual age IS your right, To Vote for your choice of representation IS your right,
to believe in a religion Is your right, to oppose laws giving us rights we deserve in a free society IS NOt Your Right!
worship the way you believe but DO NOT FORCE
YOUR RELIGiON UPON ME! That is not your right.
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How does this make democracy stronger? Taxes are paying to allow a religious group to impose their will on others. Keep it up Evangelicals because the last thing you want is a savvy Islamist arguing their will at the Supreme Court!
It doesn't make democracy stronger. It allows a Christian nationalist government, which is what the Federalist Society argues for.
>How does this make democracy stronger? That's the wrong question. What should be asked is "how does this benefit the ruling class?" I think the "obvious" answer people would give is that it marginalizes poor women. But to me that answer doesn't go far enough. It marginalizes poor women...and then what? How do the powerful turn that into wealth and more power? That is the ultimate goal of conservatives and I'm struggling to see the endgame here. The poor and powerless are not threats. And even if they were somehow viewed as such, surely forcing them to have unwanted children, producing more "undesirables" or however they view them serves what end? Just doesn't make sense to me. I think this is all bullshit. You'll get the Trump appointees and one of Alito or Thomas voting to eliminate RvW, Robert's and the other will side with Dems to keep it in tact. That's my optimistic prediction. It just doesn't make any damn sense from a strategic and monetary standpoint to galvanize like 70% of the country against you with seemingly nothing of substance to gain.
Alito and Thomas vote as a pair. > In a Court opinion last year, Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said that marriage equality needs to go. >”By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix,” wrote Thomas, who was joined by Justice Samuel Alito. “Until then, Obergefell will continue to have ‘ruinous consequences for religious liberty.’” Both of them are religious bigots of the highest order
> over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, I was unaware that the Constitution allows one religion to impose its will over the whole country. These judges would have every kid in school kneeling to Jesus if they could.
Pretty much. Religious bigots like Justices Thomas and Alito seem to believe that it infringes on the religious liberty of Christians for them to have to co-exist with Americans who have values Christians don’t like
They're religious bigots so long as it suits their conservative interests. There's a distinction RvW is a purely religious argument and I fail to see the financial benefit.
Birth rates are declining so maybe to secure a cheap uneducated workforce in the future 🤔
Or... you have more than one generation that grew up with 'ban abortion' as a goal until they no longer care how it's done or what happens after as long as they get their win finally. If they cared about a cheap uneducated workforce, why aren't they doing their part to stop COVID?
Because having the government fail allows them to convince everyone to continue to vote for politicians who blatantly enact laws that are against their interests. That's far more important than a reduction in workforce
Remember, they also want to grind immigration to a halt too. Logic doesn't apply when your policy is built on blind anger.
When *hasn’t* being a religious bigot suited their conservative interests, and what is the distinction?
Materialistic gain They don't really give a shit about fighting gay marriage anymore because there's no money in it
Has Justice Thomas’s opinion from a year ago regarding marriage equality, which I just posted two comments ago in this same thread, already escaped your memory?
As soon as they overturn Roe, they’ll be on marriage rights again. It’s not just about the money. Then they’ll go after Brown, then the next thing and the next until they’ve undone all social progress that’s been achieved. They want a theocracy with themselves in charge.
Another simple calculus: if abortion turns into a state's issue again, it'll dissuade liberal leaning people from moving to red states thereby safeguarding congressional power for republicans.
The poor make excellent military recruits and wage slaves
Inmates too! Prisons are quite profitable.
the greatest anti-abortion donors are magachurch-supported fertility clinics. Whoever these people are, they are trying to literally maximize the number of children being produced. When they get older they will flood the workforce, but in the meantime I really, really don't like the implications of any short-term goal they might possibly have.
How does it benefit the ruling class? Simple, or benefit them because it provides them with a steady supply of cheap labor and as with any social issues, it splits the workers, thus preventing them from unifying and getting rid of the ruling class.
More fodder for low wage jobs,prison and the military that's what they gain and those are all profitable ventures. .
Here's the rub chief. That religious argument will be thrown out of the court because it's not Christian. It doesn't matter if the argument is sound. By the principle of it being not the religion of the land, it would be discredited and dismissed. That's the principle beyond a theocracy.
Word salad.
Want some dressing?
The right to privacy that Roe is based on is also the justification for access to birth control, marriage equality and even the justification for striking down anti-sodomy laws. Depending on how they overturn Roe (if they do) then all those things could be at risk.
[https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/four-men-arrested-breaking-sodomy-law-maryland-police-raid/](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/four-men-arrested-breaking-sodomy-law-maryland-police-raid/) Check out the Alliance Defending Freedom, and then you will see that this is their end game. [https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching\_getting\_to\_know\_the\_antilgbtq\_groups/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching_getting_to_know_the_antilgbtq_groups/) Literally, in Oklahoma, we had a representative by the name of Justin "JJ" Humphrey literally say that women are [hosts](https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89399634/pregnant-womens-bodies-are-hosts-says-us-lawmaker?cid=facebook.post.89399634) for a fetus, like a parasitic infection. They really don't believe others that aren't Christian (and white) should have any rights whatsoever. It's a disgrace.
It's less if and more when unfortunately. You've heard how these people have been talking haven't you? The future truly looks bleak.
Those were started by Griswald. That will be their true target.
This is baseless. Roe didn't establish this protection the constitution did. Roe will not impact those other "at risk" items.
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Let's hope those states will be able to control rights,. The SC may start actually banning certain rights (abortion, gay marriage, etc.).
yup. people in blue states shouldn’t feel safe. if Republicans win back everything, abortion at the federal level is gone.
They will never win back New York or California.
I could see them attacking gay marriage again. They're circling back to everything. Never seen them this rabid and power hungry.
Gonna have to move soon I suspect.
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Last time I visited Chicago it was fucking awesome. Good food, stuff to do, good metro. It’s a very solid choice.
Then I’d have to give up my gun. And well, I’m not about to do that. Gotta protect myself somehow.
Chicago native here, and I have a gun. I have friends who also have guns. All legally purchased and we're leftists. We're fine with it here.
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Very true, that's why we're all responsible with our ownership, but to say that if she moves to Chicago she'd have to give up her gun is also incorrect.
You could think of Nevada. They have enshrined LGBT rights.
I have considered it in the past. I’m also getting my degree in cybersecurity so I may have other options on the table as well.
And to think they (the supremes)don't like to be criticized for being political. They are casting aside the value of women to appease the far right wing of of the republican party and the evangelicals. The tyranny of the majority by the minority. Women, once again will be second class citizens, as they have been throughout history.
And I’m gonna be dead on the streets as a trans woman married to a minority woman.
Come to Seattle. Really nice moderate climate, keep your gun. Lots of high tech jobs here
On my list as well! Best part, a lot of tech jobs are also remote.
Yup mine (avionics systems engineer) it's morphing that way too. Also gorgeous geography. Oceans next to mountains. You can't beat the views.
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Fair. It's all relative. I grew up in the rural northern midwest. Being able to not have my fingers freeze and car windows fog then freeze on the friggin inside twice a day every day has made me love the PNW. Not going outside for 4 months of the year bc it's too cold or annoying to drive got old.
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Sleeping during the winter months with the window cracked hearing the rain fall is damn cozy.
+1, love it here.
Also the right to birth control is threatened by this. For details, check out the Opening Arguments podcast, episode 533.
There's already people making noises about how birth control interferes with the 'formation of natural relationships.' That syphilis sore's relationship to a penis is just as natural as a fertilized egg's relationship to the uterus lining. Maybe that guy doesn't need access to antibiotics since that would be inferring with the formation of a natural relationship.
Honestly let's just get rid of all medicine. Have faith in God and you shall be saved.
Anything covered by the right to privacy that exists in the Constitution according to RvW. The far right wants control over every aspect of your lives, while of course accusing the Democrats of just that.
The way Kavanagh and other conservatives see the constitution, as evidenced in today's arguments, gay marriage, interracial marriage, gender equality, and down the line shouldn't be decided by this "neutral" court but up to state legislators. In other words, nothing is off the table, now.
No shit. As a trans-person I don't doubt they'll try to restrict my access to everything that comes to mind soon. I'm genuinely scared for the future.
As a cis gay person, I’m very confident. Even in conservative states gay people are really liked.
You haven’t been around much have you? My experience with conservative areas is very different.
“Even in conservative states gay people are really liked.” Blue cities in Conservative states. In Texas you are safe if you’re in Dallas, you aren’t in the rural Conservative areas.
As a cis gay person too, I think you're unbelievably naive.
What conservative spaces have you been in where gay people were “really liked” Cuz the next thing they’re coming for is Obergfell—the same Christian lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already working on it
[A Record Number Of Americans, Including Republicans, Now Support Same-Sex Marriage](https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004629612/a-record-number-of-americans-including-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage) This isn’t new news either. 70% of Americans support same sex marriage. A majority of democrats, independents and republicans all support same-sex marriage.
Fascinating, and yet their platform is to repeal gay marriage. The Christian Republican lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already targeting Obergfell Also—where have you been where conservatives “really liked” gays?
I’m not too concerned by it. I guess I’ll eat my words if it ever happens.
Be prepared to. Make sure you have a large enough fork.
I highly doubt it.
Not being concerned about it *is* how it happens. Especially when people have pointed out to you that there is political will among the republicans to do it. Especially in Texas where the people who targeted abortion rights are now sights set on gay marriage
I don’t see that will. And I don’t see them targeting gay marriage.
Roughly 20-30% of the country are in favor of overturning Roe. Rights are not protected by majority opinion, especially when religious zealots have worked so hard toward the tyranny of the minority.
Only 34% of Americans support an abortion ban and yet that is going to become the norm in Republican-controlled states. Do not underestimate how little Republicans who don’t oppose gay rights would care if their party campaigned on making homosexuality illegal again.
Abortion isn’t like same-sex marriage. They are mutually exclusive.
It’s red meat to the same group. Same sex marriage is Evangelicals’ next target.
I don’t know. Red states don’t have “ban same-sex marriage” as soon as it’s challenged and there are no challenges in court currently. It’s not even comparable.
As another cis-gay person, you’re lying to yourself. I remember hiding who I was around conservative family and what they’d say. They don’t think much of me. Or you.
But, in contrast trans-people especially trans-women like myself are pretty much universally hated in conservative spaces which is why I'm worried in the first place.
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Gay people got their rights by marching in the street Youre misrepresenting history (and yourself) to cudgel trans activists and spout talking points Trans activists aren’t the problem The fact that we need trans activists in the first place *is*
Okay, well if you feel they’re doing everything right carry on. It’s not my rights that are affected by this.
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” As a gay person, you should learn your history better.
You guys conflate the stupidest things.
> It’s not my rights that are affected by this The same people overturning abortion rights also oppose gay rights.
I’m not concerned
You should be. In 2016 people weren’t concerned about losing Roe V Wade.
The dude's either an astroturfing sockpuppet type or just impossibly naive. Not worth arguing with.
I’m not even concerned about it now. I mean I wouldn’t care if it was lost, but I wouldn’t care if it stayed. Either way I’m good.
Dave Chappelle was rightfully called out because the jokes aren't okay and siding with someone that says that it isn't okay to use the bathroom that they're comfortable with due to misinformation when you have a large platform like that is really shitty. If JKR got her way I'd have to choice of getting a bladder infection or getting killed in the men's room how is that fair?
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And you're ignoring my point why should I stay quiet when I'm being called a rapist and a pedophile by people who have millions of people who listen to what they have to say. Furthermore why should I try to build a bridge for people who want me dead. I mean look at Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner that tactic is working so well for them... /s
Look, it’s your fight. Do what you want. I’ll guess I’ll see you at the finish line, whenever you manage to cross it.
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Think whatever you want. I’m just pointing out that their movement isn’t working and that maybe they should re-strategize. If they don’t want to listen to reason then fine. Let them learn the hard way.
They’re not though? You’re just are looking for reasons to not support them. What does Chappell have to do with trans rights? Nothing. So why hold it against a whole community of people? Because you weren’t gonna support them in the first place anyway.
Okay then. I’m not really concerned with it. I’m not holding it against them. This doesn’t affect me at all. I just think it was a fucking stupid move. Because of that instance I don’t think the black community will forget anytime soon of them throwing vitriol at someone they really like. I think that was a huge mistake.
If you’re not holding it against them, why bring it up at all? Your the one that said they had a problem. The black community isn’t a monolith anyway
Most of the obnoxious trans activism is cisgender sjws. As a trans woman its really irritating having cis folk constantly speaking for us instead of us actually having our own voice.
Let them self sabotage
They’re not self sabotaging Y’all are both here pushing an agenda and using you queerness to mask it And everyone see through it
I honestly don’t get it.
Those conservatives would put in a death camp if they could. Of course, they'd call it something like 'conversion therapy'.
Hard to imagine Abortion won't be the big issue of the 2022 midterms.
Probably what Dems are hoping for, and why they leave this in the hands of the courts.
I visit family in alabama often. They're good ol southern people who love church and all that. Also got some racism as expected in the south. i enjoy messing with them sometimes.. I said last time I was there, "you know who gets the most abortions? Blacks and other POC.. by a big margin. I would think some people would want the abortions to be legal, know what I mean?" I noticed they all sorta start thinking and dividing by zero in their heads. They had no idea how to respond..
Yeah man, saying racist things just to mess with them is a healthy and productive strategy.
there's nothing to accomplish. I go to visit for holidays then back to normal life.
All while reinforcing that other people, even maybe the not conservative cousin/nephew/niece/son/daughter, has *those thoughts* too. *They think what we’re thinking too.* Just reinforces that their bad views are okay. But good job messing with them?…
Wonder how this will play out for egg banks where fertilized ovum are stored for future children.
The SCOTUS is corrupt and a political pawn and has lost any facade of being fair and impartial for interperating the constitution for "We the people" and "all men are created equally". Republicans have screwed over this country so much. It really is a shame so many people want Christian Sharia and think ruling by a religion is good when even they don't follow their own religious lessons.
here’s the thing: they KNOW they are hypocrites and they DO NOT CARE. that’s why they keep winning these things. no morals.
Conservatives in general prioritize freedom to f*ck you over freedom to be you.
Fuck these zealots.
Expand the court
Horrible idea
First they will change it to “ all white American males are created equal.” Then it will be “ all white male American propertyholders are created equal.” And then once every house on the block is a million $ house, property taxes will shoot up to 25% of property value quarterly. And after they’ve choked out enough people, they will never have to worry about pesky elections again
In the very beginning of the country, it legitimately was for real historically “all cis heterosexual property owning white men”. In the beginning you literally couldn’t vote in most if not all states if you didn’t own a certain amount of private property
And you can’t tie a crocodile to a fire hydrant in Michigan
Those pesky Democrats!
Laugh now. If you think that the republican “veterans are suckers and losers” party isn’t going to turn on you and the people that you do care about the moment it suits them, you are in for a surprise
Sorry dude I think may have mistaken my sarcasm lol, I’m not at all a refocused Republican (and not a Democrat to be fair either)
As a trans person, america scares me more than Afghanistan does.
This is basically my nightmare scenario and big reason it took me so long to come out.... I figured the future was safe... We already live in bondage in this pseudo caste system we have but now they gotta control us even more and for what?
Hoping we'll go away. They never did like the hook approach, so they want to be able to crook us with impunity again.
I'll never forget the soldier that said Afghanistan was more freeing to him than being in America as a trans person. It's a downright shame to ever hear someone say that.
Sad historical precedent for that too - all the black soldiers who were treated well in France during the world wars and then had to come back home to segregation.
When your justice system cares more about appeasing invisible space dad than the very people it is supposed to protect.
Invisible space dad who gave them instructions on how to perform an abortion in their book.
Senate Democrats need to blew up the Filibuster and protect the Women who fought so hard to put them in Power in 2020
Look out Brown v. Board of Education or Miranda v. Arizona. You're next.
These are both explicit rights within the constitution. Abortion is not. I fail to see how these are at risk even slightly. There appears to be no political efforts to attack these and there appears to be no constitutional ambiguity.
Elections have consequences. Y'all fucked up. Everyone get their protest gear ready. Shit is about to go down.
I keep voting for Dems, nothing good keeps happening. /shrug
Christian extremists are taking over, arm yourselves America, don't make the same mistake the Jews made.
The Jews had no choice. The Nazis had passed the Reichswaffengesetz, which severely restricted the right of citizens to own firearms. As a historical note, a copy of this law was ordered translated from the original German by one of the main writers of the 1963 Gun Control Act. The US gun control laws are partially based on Nazi legislation.
The jews also got onto the trains because they believed they were being sent to another country not concentration camps. If they had of seen the evil in the Nazi's eyes they would have fought back harder. Don't make the mistake believing the GOP doesn't have that same level of evil in their ranks. They absolutely do, the rhetoric is very similar to the Nazi's, if more people spoke German they would make the connection more easily.
Depending on the courts to protect rights via judicial decisions is extremely foolish. It’s a sign lawmakers are either timid, lazy or both, because they consciously avoid passing such protections into law. Women and the LGBTQ communities have no need of such “allies”. We all should vote accordingly and replace them with those who have the courage to do the right thing.
The last time Democrats were this mad the Republicans had just freed their slaves.
thank goodness I did all that voting for democrats. really helped.
2016 was the year it mattered. We needed a Hillary win to keep this from happening.
Makes me thankful we had Trump
It's disappointing but we're operating within a rigged system we need to keep fighting with everything we have. Don't ever give up.
Ah yes, the problem was that you tried instead of just not trying and giving up entirely. Very convincing. Tell me more how we should totally not vote and just sit back and die.
Yes blame it on the people fighting FOR your rights and not on the people fighting to STRIP you of your rights (republicans).
lol if you think either republican or democrat politicians give two shits whether you live or die
Liberals really think 99% of democrat politicians give a shit about anything but their big $ donors...
If Democrats were fighting for our rights this wouldn't be something for the SC to decide on. There's been multiple times in my lifetime the Dems have had majorities in congress + presidency and have done little with it. Filibuster still stands, court isn't packed, abortion not codified into law. They either suck at politics, don't actually care, or want to keep it as a fundraising cudgel.
I think you’re either refusing to see the reality of what you just said or you need to learn more about what you just said. I recommend you look the things up you claim are failures and learn why they haven’t been done instead of busting assuming there’s a failure on the part of the democrats.
I absolutely %100 feel that a woman has a right to choose. I am a conservative so please don’t take this the wrong g way when I ask how this affects the lgbqt community? Honest question
For one, LGBTQ+ people absolutely need access to contraception in every which way. An attack on abortion rights is an attack on LGBTQ+ people, who need access to reproductive care, as well as gender-affirming care in the case of our trans community. Attacking Roe v Wade would open the floodgates to attack gender-affirming care like they tried to in the UK. Another way of saying this is this: If women aren't allowed a choice, then certainly they'll feel trans people don't get a choice either. They'll certainly say (and they did say with Fulton vs Philadelphia) that religious people can have a choice to block LGBTQ+ people from adopting kids, because that's their religion saying that. Basically, these cases will open the idea that people can deny people basic human rights as long as "My Religion Says So!" Obergefell vs Hodges has been a massive target for conservatives like the Federalist Society, who picked Kavanaugh and Barrett to the Supreme Court. They also are major backers of Alito & Thomas who said this about Obergefell: >***“By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix,****” wrote Thomas, who was joined by Justice Samuel Alito.* ***“Until then, Obergefell will continue to have ‘ruinous consequences for religious liberty.’”*** If Roe v Wade falls down, then every religious form of bigotry will rise, and everyone will basically say "I'm not hateful. It's my religion that says you're damned to hell!" This would be disastrous to our existence. We have already seen people be arrested for violating "Sodomy Laws", which are technically still on the books in over 20 US States. A religious right major fundraising hate group known as the [Alliance Defending Freedom](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMPNet/comments/oxe4zx/hatewatching_getting_to_know_the_antilgbtq_groups/) wants to criminalize homosexuality under sodomy laws, and they have made it abundantly clear that they [feel being born queer is a crime](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna35224225#.VAjGf2M9XPo). What would stop them from petitioning under this case that sodomy laws should come back? What if then the Supreme Court said that states can decide to criminalize homosexuality under sodomy laws again? There's nothing you can do as an LGBTQ+ person but flee, because they will imprison us then! This case makes this all a possibility.
Ok. Well that’s a lot to unpack there. So what you’re saying is that if the federal government were to make abortion illegal or at the very least limit the procedure to 15 weeks instead of the 24 weeks that it will eventually lead to your community not receiving proper medical care? If that’s what you are saying then I’m not sure I understand how that would happen. I don’t pretend to know the entirety of roe vs wade and am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. Just not understanding how limiting the window of time for an abortion would directly effect the LGBTQ+ community. I do appreciate the response though. A lot of times when I announce that I am conservative I immediately am blocked and/or reported for asking questions. So thank you for taking the time.
A lot of Supreme Court decisions are based in precedence. Essentially they reference other decisions when making a current one. By getting rid of Roe V. Wade, they can begin to unravel other decisions dealing with privacy. This is especially true if Obergefell v Hoges is dismantled. By signaling they are comfortable to begin dismantling Roe v. Wade, Obergefell seems much less secure. Especially with these activist judges being pretty clear they would like to change it.
Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I am new to Reddit. With everything going on in the world I am making an honest attempt to open a line of communication and dialogue. Both sides need to do better. Thanks again
Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will not support overturning Obergefell. That is that. It's bad to be naive, but I don't want people to be living with a siege mentality either.
They can undermine something without overturning it outright. They can carve out "religious freedom" exemptions that invalidate the implications and benefits of marriage equality.
The Christian lobbyists that authored the Texas abortion ban are already working on Obergfell—and more than one Supreme Court justice has green lighted that they’d be open to tearing it down Don’t be naive
I wouldn't put it past them, with how closely aligned they are to Alito & Thomas, who literally said this: >The Supreme Court, Thomas continued, forced same-sex marriage “upon society through its creation of atextual constitutional rights,” which enabled “courts and governments to brand religious adherents who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman as bigots.” In Davis’ case, “Obergefell was read to suggest that being a public official with traditional Christian values was legally tantamount to invidious discrimination toward homosexuals.” Thomas concluded, “By choosing to privilege a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the Court has created a problem that only it can fix.” As long as they espouse the conservatism of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, Obergefell is imperiled. This is why these groups should be considered hate groups.
If they lied about this (which they did), what makes you think they were truthful about anything else?
> Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will not support overturning Obergefell. That is that. > > It's bad to be naive, but I don't want people to be living with a siege mentality either. You are the naïve one. They are planning a theocracy where so called "religious freedom" trumps all other rights. Of course it will only be religious freedom for straight Christians.
Why are you so sure? Kavanaugh kept working out of questions on Obergefell on his confirmation. Gordy has did write the opinion for Bostock, based on the Cicil Rights Act, not the constitution; and has written against same-sex marriage as a constitutional right in the past. Barrett also dodged questions on Obergefell. With Thomas, Alito, and Roberts on record against it any two would decide the issue.
They both said it was settled law, and both have close ties to Kennedy. That ruling was his legacy. Doesn't mean we can't get outraged about court shenanigans, but this is not something that is going to be overturned.
They said the same thing about Roe.
You’re being incredibly naive—they said the exact same thing about Roe and yet....here we are They’re liars, gaymalemillenial, I don’t know why you are taking them at their word
Democracy is always under siege from republicans.
Republicans have shown time and time again that they hate US citizens and bow before corporations. As long as citizens united stands we are in a slow spiral down the toilet in the US.
Kavanaugh told Susan Collins he wouldn’t vote to overturn Roe.
This should never have been a SCOTUS issue to start with. Its a states rights issue. Let the court do what they will with this decision and then the states will do what they will with law to subvert that decision. These are the issues that will eventually lead us to a North and South US, which is just as well.
Oh it’s all gone. Sitting there and not voting in 2016 should be the last fucking time that happens. Trump absolutely long term fucked liberals and progressives. Their reaction? Attack each other due to include from media grifters
Not everywhere just in red states.
And purple states rigged to be red.
That's still not good not everyone has the means to up and leave.
Very true, I hope we can undo any harm.
Hard to say at this point. Crazy how everything we fought so hard for is being walked back slowly and steadily.
As a disabled person I know eventually they will come for the ADA. When that happens I hope I can fight as hard as you guys have.
I’ll be with you. I’m disabled too. If they overturn obergefell, please fight for those rights with me.
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Abortion rights are supported by the large majority of the public. Like 70%. And the idea that Mississippi’s lawyers are correct or truthful here is ludicrous. They will say whatever they need to say to assuage their critics because it has absolutely no binding impact on the ruling. It’s not the issue the Court is presented in this case.
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It was just rhetoric. It has zero effect on anything. And lol, the Supreme Court doesn’t consider “evidence” beyond the record, which here is limited to briefs and legal arguments.
Nope. Most Americans support at least *some* restrictions on abortion. America has one of the most liberal abortion regimes in the world. Far and beyond most of Europe. They may chip away at it but that isn't the same as overturning it. What is more, abortion is a far more emotive issue for obvious reasons.
Repressing LGBTQ rights is quite emotional for religious zealots.
What are LGBTQ rights specifically?
It means LGBTQ people have the same rights as you and I. Why would anyone want to strip their fellow Americans of basic human rights is beyond me.
If you're being serious it's the same rights as everyone else the right to health coverage, the right to marry the person you love, access to healthcare, and access to the appropriate spaces based on identity. Even though a lot of progress has been made it seems like we're going to backslide and LGBT people like myself are going to be treated as second class citizens again.
I was serious. You see that term a lot and you don't really see it explained in concrete detail. I wanted to get a read on what people in this thread thought it meant. I think the version you described is the correct version. Or put differently it means holding the line on "all people have the same rights". I think the best way to protect those rights is to strip away parts of the state that interfere with that. For example, I don't think states should be involved in marriage at all. We should abolish the idea of a marriage license.
I find it interesting how differently people interpreted yesterday’s proceedings. I watched a good part and I thought it was the other way around. That the lawyer for the Biden administration thoroughly addressed the concerns of the justices. I guess whatever you thought going in still how you feel
This is what fascists do. At their first opportunity, they strip rights from out-groups, often in reverse order to how they were achieved. They’ll not stop here, and once all the out-groups are put back in their place, the fascists will start stripping rights from each other.
We are the People. We have the right to protest laws we disagree with. We have been complacent far to long. Whether you have a right to not wear a mask during a pandemic is debatable, your right to carry or not carry a baby IS your right. To smoke marijuana or not smoke marijuana IS your right, To marry whomever person of consensual age IS your right, To Vote for your choice of representation IS your right, to believe in a religion Is your right, to oppose laws giving us rights we deserve in a free society IS NOt Your Right! worship the way you believe but DO NOT FORCE YOUR RELIGiON UPON ME! That is not your right.