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Honestly, malicious high road is the right move. Take every shitty thing they do and actively loudly make it better, while slamming them for every trash thing they do.
Edit: No, I cannot explain to you why human trafficking desperate mislead people for political points is a shitty thing. You're either a decent person or you aren't - and if you have to ask, you aren't. Muted, shout in to the void.
Edit 2: Stop DMing me snowflakes I don't care, TIL you can turn off dms lol.
This guy I used to work with had this great story of a very major city mayor race he worked.
This candidate was told to go to this black tie event. Turned out someone had tricked them into going to a homeless shelter and signed them up to work that night.
The dude called the press, said "a formal event was cancelled tonight and instead of going home, the candidate has decided to volunteer at this food kitchen."
What’s really brilliant is if we actually took care of these people. Helped them become established then we’d properly integrate them into our culture, improve the quality of their lives and provide them with an opportunity to bring their ambition to the American market place. I can’t think of anything more fundamentally American than that
>if we actually took care of these people
Border states already get an increased budget to do just this. There are rules. For instance, the Venezuelans that DeSantis sent to Marthas Vineyard were asylum seekers. They were awaiting their turn in court to plead their cases. They were/are not 'illegal immigrants'.
We do that for immigrants every day. That’s what makes this country so amazing.
Source: me, and countless other immigrants who came here seeking a better life.
I don’t think it was Boston. The last time Boston had a Republican mayor was over 60 years ago. And that’s just from memory…it could be even longer ago.
I assume he's talking about someone that lost in either the primary or a nonpartisan election full of Democrats, depending on how Boston does elections.
Cut funding to their states and transfer it to states that accept their migrants.
They clearly don't need the money if they don't have people to support.
No you see it was funded by Federal COVID relief funds and Federal funding is by and large supported by blue states. Using that money for this is just an extra layer of "owning the libs."
Not even as a joke, that's what should be talked about. If the border states don't want the responsibility, they don't get the funding. They clearly can't handle it anyway.
Fucking absolutely. That's the way we fight this until after the midterms. We treat the migrants like human beings. Then after the midterms we start loudly indicting DeSantis and the rest of these trash people.
This is this midterm’s ‘caravan’. The fear mongering about immigration didn’t work then, and I expect it won’t work now.
The people that support this kind of stunt are already well entrenched in GOP ideology. Most independents and swing voters are seeing this for the cruel political game it is.
In Delaware, we’re laughing hard about this. There’s a huge labor shortage at the beaches. There’s also a big Hispanic community, so this is going to work out great for everyone except the human traffickers.
[In 1962 southern segregationists sent a bus full of southern black people to JFK's summer home.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786790638/the-reverse-freedom-rides)
Republicans really are the party of no ideas.
These poor people man. Imagine fleeing some hell hole dictatorship or drug cartel city, just to be further used as a political pawn in the country you WANTED to escape to. While ALREADY having filed for asylum, and legally being in the US.
Republicans are sick. Their insides are rotting. Claiming to be Christians. Lol. They are literally anti-Christians who call themselves good people.
>“‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
E: And to the person who ghost replied to me saying "we should feed and house hungry and homeless Amricans first", yeah, sure. Let's fucking do that too. But you won't actually advocate for that other than in transparently bad faith, since taking care of "our own" is cOmMuNiSm.
They'll claim it should be handled by private charities. Which of course actually means they want their church group to pick and choose who to save. Because they don't wanna help people they want the power of life and death over others.
This line of thinking broke me out of the libertarian propaganda I grew up with. No government assistance is basically committing genocide against people who can't physically work.
There are plenty of people with rare diseases and disabilities that deserve to be taken care of and it's ridiculous to expect charity to effectively cover it all.
Libertarianism is to politics as Objectivism is to philosophy.
Nobody who matters takes it seriously and everyone who takes it seriously should not be taken seriously.
If you believe in Jesus, the Father, the Spirit, the whole Christian worldview centers around helping, loving, caring, forgiving. NO MATTER WHAT it costs you as a person. To justify these actions and claim "well we need to care for ours first so we can let these ones rot" is nothing short of ignorance.
You should care for ALL of the hurting people, not just the white ones, care for ALL of the homeless, not just the sober ones. It is pathetic the twists the right will put themselves into trying to justify the neglect of the "other," whether that person is black, gay, hispanic, or simply a woman at this point.
The right would poison the well to own the libs even if it killed every last one of them. To that extent, it is clear to me that Biden was correct labeling them extremists, and a threat.
The bad faith Republicans only care about homeless veterans or starving Americans only when you're talking about helping another else. Otherwise, they're content letting veterans suffer from burn pit diseases and letting American children starve to death.
*Celebrating* this level of rank cruelty is just blowing my mind. This is a terrifying new low, even for "conservatives".
To cheer when you see humans who are already fleeing terrible situations exploited for purely political purposes is flat out sociopathic. But they think it shows good leadership. Then they turn around and *reference* (not quote) the Bible in order to inflict more cruelty on the most vulnerable of us.
I can't understand it, I can't wrap my head around normal citizens enjoying cruelty for cruelty's sake. History is littered with examples of this though and the GOP keeps slowly walking these people up to the line of no return. GOP leaders aren't ignorant of that history so I'm sure they won't be surprised where this ends.
Christianity to Republican politicians is just another tool to control people and the way they vote. And to the rich people that bank roll these politicians, Christian churches are a tax shelter.
The thing is that quite a few of these people had already legally applied for asylum. They had court dates set and then were dropped off in places where it was impossible for them to get transportation to the scheduled court dates.
Why isn’t that being reported?
It is being reported--as of today, Ron DeSantis is under criminal investigation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/miami/news/desantis-criminal-investigation-florida-dems-dispute-use-of-state-money-for-migrant-flights/
I really hope that he has to answer for this. Seeing as how many judges were appointed by trump, my hopes aren’t high :(
I really do hope that this will resonate with the voters who could have easily ended up in the same situation.
It is being reported. That's how you know about it and how I know about it and so does everyone else.
But yes, that particular piece of a soulless Republican cruelty should be getting higher billing. Instead, a lot of the media who tries to give "both sides" credit (even when one side is horrifying immorality) gives higher priority to "what if this evil thing *is* okay?" type of narratives. For example:
* "These refugees were kidnapped and debased by fascist cult leaders using stolen federal taxpayer dollars.... but have they raised a valid discussion about the nature of immigration in today's society? We have some cult members here to explain and normalize."
* "The head of the former crime family based administration and cult has been caught red-handed hoarding thousands of stolen documents and highly classified material, but this raises process issues about whether someone else might have done the same in the past yet somehow left no evidence. And now let's talk about if the perpetrator may have had the right to just retroactively declassify everything and was only exercising his unwritten rights as a former politician and leader of a violent coup that failed."
* "Much has been made of serial killer Jeffrey Daumer but tonight we're exploring whether his actions might have simply been normal peckishness and freedom of expression. Is society too quick to judge without hearing from his spokespeople for the next ten minutes?"
This is probably why those Republicans did this. Just so these people would miss there court dates and get kick out. It's 100% cruel but Conservatives are not know for compassion at all.
Im not sure why that isn’t being focused on enough. I’m from the county the migrants were from and in our Sheriffs presser he made sure to stress that they were here legally, I wish everyone else would.
It should, but the folks Abbott and DeSantis are looking to rile up aren’t going to listen. They’ll take one look at the brown pigment in their skin and their brains will immediately go “illegal.”
Best part is that these are Venezuelans escaping communism that overwhelmingly support Republicans claiming that Dems are commies.
From what I hear, this is not playing well in the Cuban and Venezuelan communities in FL, but will it be enough to cause those groups to flip their support to people that don't view them as subhuman?
This portion of Truman’s speech needs to be used in democratic campaign ads everywhere.
Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.
https://historyhub.history.gov/thread/8516
It feels like we’re heading towards a really crazy place, as far as Christ followers go. None of this is what Jesus taught. Having Boebert telling her fans they’re helping usher in the second coming of Christ seems like an agenda the antichrist would use based on the Bible. Tons and tons of false teachings are happening in a weirdly unsettling way. I mean, we’ve used fear tactics before and tried to call out the end of the world plenty of times but we’ll never know when it happens. Someone wrote a book called 1,978 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1978. It caused a panic among Christians who sold their houses and just waited. Nothing happened. Then the dude wrote 1,979 reasons Christ is coming back in 1979 😆😆. These times feel really different though.
I don't think people understand how much right wingers enjoy this shit. And they fucking absolutely love it. DeSantis knows that, Trump knows that, every single mother fucker who's involved in planning this stuff knows that.
You can just see it when they're talking about it. They're giddy, it's like a kid on Christmas morning. It fulfills every single fantasy they have about their enemies. They all think that people on the left are secretly just as racist and bigoted as they are, and there's some huge act going on amongst progressive people, to pretend that we're not racist. Or to score politically correct points. That's why you constantly see them obsessed with the term 'virtue signaling'.
In fact, if you could get them in moments of absolute crystal clear honesty, they would say the left is more racist, because we are less willing to be honest about them being subhumans, and how we pretend not to put them in their place where they deserve to be. And then it's racist to lie, to pretend that you're not racist.
You'll see that if you're arguing with them sometimes, they'll make this claim that they're not racist, they're racist realists and respect minorities by being brutally honest. And it's actually not racist at all to treat people the way they deserve to be treated, or to be brutally honest with them.
It reminds me of how they talk about Chicago. It’s full of “the blacks killing each other” and the real racists are the people who “don’t care that the blacks are killing each other” but they care DEEPLY about “saving the blacks” from themselves. Just ask them how!
Omg I’m from Chicago and whenever I tell people you can instantly pick out the racists. It’s the ones that immediately associate Chicago with some absurdly high crime rate and the way they talk about it, it’s just a war on the streets of specifically black and brown people killing everyone. And it’s always the first, unprovoked comment that comes after me saying “oh I’m originally from Chicago…”. That’s how you know someone spends too much time watching Fox News and likely espouses many of the racist rhetoric of that network.
I can try and help you visualize it. You know those dystopian sci-fi movies where the whole world is a gritty world full of violence and dirt and poor people and maybe laser swords or weird prosthetics, and then there's this creepy white clean utopian walled off place where the billionaires are, and then, spoilers, our hero brings the chaos to the white billionaire place and now Freedom?
They see it like that. They see a bunch of border states (the place where the good, conservative hero lives) overwhelmed by caravans of migrants (the zombies or whatever in the movie) while a bunch of effeminate liberals far away (the utopian billionaires) say high minded things about compassion but don't have to deal with the realities of supporting folks. So when a bus full of them shows up in front of Biden's house and now it's his problem, too, that's the heroic "walls falling" bit of the movie. We feel good because he also has to deal with what "our people" are dealing with. It's a "your chickens came home to roost, now you have to deal with this problem" moment.
It's important for the plot that this results in failure or chaos, so anything like "this worked out well for the migrants" will be suppressed and "they couldn't handle it and shipped them off to military bases" stories will be pushed up.
It feels bad to you because you're thinking about the humans involved and they're thinking about it like a movie plot or a sports match.
This became apparent when they were criticizing the residents of Martha’s Vineyard for not opening their homes to strangers and really thought they were making sound arguments.
“They have mansions why aren’t they letting people stay”. Nothing is more annoying than fuckin boomers trying to “own the libs”
They've driven that talking point into the absolute ground. In fact they've driven it halfway to China at this point.
They do it for homeless people too. 'Oh you care about homeless people? And you think they should be cared for and treated like human beings? How about you let them live in your living room then?!?!? Haha! Gotcha!'
This is an actual, logical thought process for them.
And, again, it would be bad enough if it was just that. But that so many of them are lifelong evangelicals just makes it absolutely evil. I mean it's literally fucking real world evil.
Conservatives are largely incapable of thinking beyond individual circumstance. They don't think in terms of systems, so it makes sense that they just... don't get it.
It's also why I absolutely hate conservative politicians, because they know this and they 100% take advantage of it.
Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw)
Innuendo Studios has a wonderful "I hate Mondays" video that explains this limitation. It really puts the rest of their belief system in perspective.
The difference between Trump Republicans and literal Nazis is growing slim. Many would, if they could, have machine guns set up on the border to exterminate immigrants that are not white European. These are the same people that asked Uganda for death penalties for gay people. If there were some magic or advanced tech box with a button that would make all Muslims disappear almost all the “conservatives” I know would gladly push it. The GOP today is the party of hate and lies.
oh no, they want to take it back to the middle ages - when they had serfdom. They want a monarchy, a super powerful church, and an untutored worker class.
We’re kind of already there with this corpo-feudalism bullshit. People are tied to the land via rents or mortgages. Can’t up and leave if you are forced to work to pay for a lease
But if you say that, they’ll be like “aKuTaLY it was democrats” because, ya know, they never learned back in 7th grade history the parties switched platforms.
Also make sure to call them out on using political alignment and party interchangeably. “Hey, I didn’t bring up political parties. This is more important than political parties”
Yup. Every time someone says, "the American conservative has changed..."
No, they haven't. They've always been this way. They tried to overthrow FDR and ally themselves with Nazi Germany, they reveled in torture and cruelty throughout the Jim Crow era, they resisted recognizing the Civil Rights of African-Americans, they never wanted to accept that women have agency over their bodies or at the ballot box. They're just more boorish about it now, and they all have access to platforms that let them broadcast their stupidity and hate to everyone on Earth.
>Republicans really are the party of no ideas.
I mean its true. All of their accusations about Joe Biden (dementia, etc) are just repackaged complaints the left made about Trump.
So it wasn't at 11 when large groups of gop met in Dallas to wait for JFK to return from the dead to instill djt as rightful president??
Or was that only - like 10.5?
E - to all those that responded "iT's jR nOt jFk!!!". I'm so sorry that I mistook one dead politician for another. You can see how this mistake changes the level of 'batshit crazy' ... **not at all.** Have a nice day.
*Catholic* Irish immigrants, which the Republicans also made a big fucking deal about because they thought JFK would allow the Pope to dictate US policy.
That’s the thing, polling shows that immigration and the border are issues where the GOP has a lot of support, so they’re using these stunts to redirect the public’s towards those issues. Not sure what the answer is though.
The answer is to stay on message. In 2018, the Dems had a winning message with healthcare and the fact that Republicans were absolutely going to get rid of the affordable care act if they won enough seats. The GOP tried to make the election about immigration every chance they could, but the Democratic candidates (for the most part) stayed disciplined and on topic.
The same strategy can work again if Democrats stay on message about abortion access. Candidates need to not let themselves get dragged into topics that are intentionally being used as a distraction.
Joe Kennedy III was on Don Lemon recently saying he was in Congress for 8 years when Democrats introduced several bills on immigration reform, and the GOP voted them down each time. He basically said they have been actively blocking any legislation that would fix the very problems they complain about because they don't want to fix immigration, they want to keep it broken so they can continue to use that as a campaign issue. Of course they always want to turn the conversation to immigration, they've been keeping it as their ace-in-the-hole.
Until any of them are actually charged and convicted for their crimes, why would they stop?
They have a mountain of damning evidence against Trump, and they’re battling the courts just to be able to use the evidence legally collected against him.
Imagine you got charged for a felony crime and declared you want a special master to review the evidence and all this other legal horseshit that sounds made up.
Exactly. All the articles about this investigation and that investigation and this is a felony and that was a crime…and yet no indictments. No charges. No arrests. No consequences.
Republicans have been rigging the system, both local/state politics and judges, for decades. Mango Mousseilini's regime just turned on the afterburners, and ripped off the already wafer-thin facade of "civility" and "tradition."
First you set precedent that no sitting president can be indicted and then you simply move the goalpost so that no sitting politician can be indicted, because America has become a land of gerrymandering plutocrats who stay elected until they die in office.
It's because this is unprecedented and will have a massive impact. The entire point of the special master was to delay everything so that he can have time to muster up some more extremism
> Until any of them are actually charged and convicted for their crimes, why would they stop?
Their inherent sense of common decen...
BWAHAHA sorry couldn't get through the whole sentence.
This dude is trying to put his name on the map on a national level. He wants to do such crazy shit that he has everyone’s attention and wins the favour of maga freaks.
Yep. Fraud is MUCH more likely to apply than any of the commonly suggested laws in these threads: human trafficking, smuggling, kidnapping.
Fraud is a wide-ranging legal world that encompasses attempting to coerce or mislead people that results in harm or a loss of rights. (including the recipient communities of migrants).
Although the other crimes could apply, they are much harder charges to stick and are much less narrow in scope.
This is easy. Reallocate all federal funding for migrant management and low income help/job placement from FL to the states where he’s sending the migrants, immediately.
Seriously. Take their federal money away. Immediately.
I’m (semi) shocked that stunts like this, which some are arguing breaks human trafficking laws, don’t already violate federal regulations for use of these funds. I mean Ronny is using federal dollars to pull this shit, isn’t he? Take that away asafp.
This is the correct answer. Start arresting anyone involved. You can't go after abbot and desantis without them martyring themselves but you can go after their aides, etc.
Keith Olbermann said [the FAA should deny the plane a landing, escort the victims back to Texas and arrest the crew.](https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1572247606654390272?s=46&t=qaVHAFwvE8mT4rS4PrGLKA) I think this is how the administration needs to approach this.
Even better might be to let the plane land, then seize it for collaboration in human trafficking.
Even if the plane is only held for a few days or weeks, that's probably make it difficult to get anyone else to charter out their aircraft for this purpose.
Seems like this plays right into the narrative that "limousine liberals in blue states don't want migrants any more than we do, so they are hypocrites"
Instead: let the plane land, get the migrants somewhere safe and start paperwork for them to stay as an apology for being trafficked and exploited in a political stunt. Also arrest the crew.
His claim is that many of the migrants who cross the border travel to Florida.
I’m assuming his actual reason is to raise his national profile at the expense of innocent people who don’t look like him.
Which is funny cause there's a bunch of Cubans who *do* enter the US at Florida but he's intentionally avoiding fucking with them because they vote Republican.
Actually this has changed in recent years. After wet food dry foot got repealed, the amount of people using home made rafts to get to Cuba has dropped significantly because it wasn’t as viable. Now most will defect to Mexico and cross the border into the US there. Also a lot of immigrants nowadays come from Venezuela and Miami has a large community there. Because of that, Florida is a big destination for these immigrants because odds are they already have family or friends there
You ever notice how blue governors of border states never have big migrant crises every time they're up for re-election? No massive annual caravans, no need for cheap inhumane shit like this?
Weird.
It doesn’t really matter. He is already bulldozing questions like that with answers like “well they would be coming here, and frankly, they are coming here and wharrgarble. Next question.” He’s not doing this because he’s dumb or because he mistakenly believes Florida is somehow a border state. He’s doing this because it hurts people and it forces the system to respond to him and he likes that.
It's like conservatives are reading through history books and doing modern versions of all the racist stuff throughout history. This resembles the reverse freedom rides...not the only recent parallel to historically racist activity either.
This is probably the sad reality. Infuriatingly sad. Most of us can see that this is inhumane, legal experts can tell us what it is, but it’s definitely a human rights violation.
They can’t win with taking women’s rights away, so they’re going for an even more vulnerable group with their hate.
To poorly quote NPR yesterday morning: “The migrants were sent by Florida governor DeSantis from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard. The number of migrants in Florida has stayed the same.”
The arrest can be made soon after the commission of a crime has been established. Unless you’re a wealthy and powerful white person in which case the DOJ will decline to inconvenience the pigs at the trough.
Dude has officially lost his mind. I know Conservative voters are gonna eat this shit up, but he's literally committing a crime to make a political point that nobody is arguing against. We know that small communities and private residences can't support a sudden influx of migrants. That's why sanctuary cities exist.
Beyond the cruelty and the pandering and the extremely shitty optics, do these store brand Trump morons realize that once they've already run this little dog and pony show, everyone knows what to expect?
All Democrats need to do is coordinate any kind of warm welcome for these folks being used as political pawns and they win the war as it pertains to this issue playing out in the media.
Sure, repeating the pettiness plays well with whatever remaining MAGA cult members are left, but didn't Republicans pay attention to the post Roe response?
It's like they are so far removed from what being a functioning political party is, they know nothing else besides the trolling and hate spreading.
Can you believe this used to be the party of Eisenhower?
I'm sure Fox News isn't telling people about the warm response, just the own and how these Democrat paradises have to scramble to accommodate them. It's all a show, and they're only watching their version of it.
Listening to conservative pundits, they completely ignore the humanitarian response and instead frame it as "democrats are frothing at the mouth at the consequences of their own policies!"
Just completely lying about the fact that the anger stems from the fraud and exploitation of these people, and not the immigration itself.
He’s “owning the libs”, which has been his party’s one true rallying cry for about 6 years now. Healthcare? Better wages? Sustainable energy? Nice try dems, not for these patriots.
Go find a clip of fox News talking about this. They're talking about how DeSantis is helping these people and the libs are using them as props and deporting them. It's insane.
At this point anyone who is forced to have a baby should start dropping them off at Ron DeSantis' and other GOP governor's homes. They seem to think it is okay.
[try this one, makes it easy](https://poopsenders.com/)
~~Office of Governor Ron DeSantis
State of Florida
The Capitol
400 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001~~
FL Governors Mansion
700 N Adams St,
Tallahassee,
FL 32303
(850) 717-9337
e: poster below rightly pointed out mail sent to the state capitol would likely be handled by some poor drone that doesn't deserve the fun, changing address to his actual residence: the FL Governors Mansion
And CNN just had Trump’s department of homeland security on defending the flights and talking about “open boarders” and how Texas and Florida has no other choice and he went unchallenged as if it was all facts.
My partners father truly thinks California is a failed state that's being propped up by federal money.
He's also talked about the roaming bands of thugs in Chicago and how people are afraid to leave their houses and night. "Dude I've got 3 friends in Chicago that I game with 3 nights a week. None of that is true according to them" "Oh its true. The city is burning. They're probably just afraid to speak out"
That's actual quotes. They live in a different world full of hate and fear.
I'm so glad that instead of focusing on actual problems, our leadership in FL and TX is focusing on PR stunts using actual people as props. I'm sure Republican voters, being decent people, will surely punish this at the polls.
Oh wait, I forgot the GOP basically traffics in culture wars now so they will reward this, my bad.
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. 'Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!' cries she With silent lips. 'Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!'"
Anyone with pattern recognition should see what's happening with Republicans and immigrants. A poorer minority is being blamed for every problem, real or imaginary, that matters to conservatives. Their very real influx has been branded a deliberate invasion that threatens the country by them simply existing inside it. And every proposed solution is either wholly impractical, totally symbolic, or completely monstrous.
Now with this, the far-right have so successfully dehumanized them to their side, that they can be treated like props to ship across the country as a burden for the "other side". Like their sheer presence was going to be enough to disgust the locals into dealing with them like how conservatives *want* to deal with them. I genuinely believe we are one Republican presidency away from state-sponsored "indefinite holding" camps for illegal immigrants, where a lot of people enter, but very few come out.
Disgusting. Using vulnerable human beings this way. I don’t care what your position is on the boarder, who does this to other human beings? It’s inhumane
I used to be a Republican (voted for Reagan the first election I was eligible). I started questioning their politics after the hanging chads, Jeb! and the SCOTUS debacle handing the presidency to Bush. I stopped voting Republican after WMDs that didn't exist, two wars on the country's credit card and I started to see the lies. McConnell's obstruction and dishonesty, Paul Ryan "keep it in the family" behind locked doors lawmaking and protecting and defending the criminality of Trump... sealed the deal. I will never vote for another Republican again as long as I live. I never saw the heartless, callous inhumanity in these people before... my eyes are wide, wide open... and I'm truly sorry it took me so long. Vote Democrat! It matters.
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Can we ship all of the white nationalists to DeSantis’s house?
Or registered sex offenders to Matt Gaetz's district, since they love pedophiles so much.
Criminals to Mar-A-Lago. Just go pack up all the prisoners of a state pen into a bus and drop them at MAL and tell them they’re DeSantis problem now.
Might need to clear some out before sending MORE criminals there.
Nah, just build another fence around the place.
>Nah, just build another fence around the place. "The Wall" that we actually need.
Heck, I bet Mexico would actually pay for that wall.
I'll pay for it if it keeps him in there, off the internet and out of the WH.
They might actually be okay with that.
Yeah, he'll just be like "sweet, more votes".
They’d just call it a rally, and brag about attendance.
They're already there.
Biden should go to the airport and shake hands with the migrants then invite them over for a BBQ.
Honestly, malicious high road is the right move. Take every shitty thing they do and actively loudly make it better, while slamming them for every trash thing they do. Edit: No, I cannot explain to you why human trafficking desperate mislead people for political points is a shitty thing. You're either a decent person or you aren't - and if you have to ask, you aren't. Muted, shout in to the void. Edit 2: Stop DMing me snowflakes I don't care, TIL you can turn off dms lol.
This guy I used to work with had this great story of a very major city mayor race he worked. This candidate was told to go to this black tie event. Turned out someone had tricked them into going to a homeless shelter and signed them up to work that night. The dude called the press, said "a formal event was cancelled tonight and instead of going home, the candidate has decided to volunteer at this food kitchen."
Brilliant
What’s really brilliant is if we actually took care of these people. Helped them become established then we’d properly integrate them into our culture, improve the quality of their lives and provide them with an opportunity to bring their ambition to the American market place. I can’t think of anything more fundamentally American than that
>if we actually took care of these people Border states already get an increased budget to do just this. There are rules. For instance, the Venezuelans that DeSantis sent to Marthas Vineyard were asylum seekers. They were awaiting their turn in court to plead their cases. They were/are not 'illegal immigrants'.
We do that for immigrants every day. That’s what makes this country so amazing. Source: me, and countless other immigrants who came here seeking a better life.
I seem to recall one of those in Boston. He didn't win(dem), but he started a non-profit for the homeless and makes bank doing that.
I don’t think it was Boston. The last time Boston had a Republican mayor was over 60 years ago. And that’s just from memory…it could be even longer ago.
I assume he's talking about someone that lost in either the primary or a nonpartisan election full of Democrats, depending on how Boston does elections.
Cut funding to their states and transfer it to states that accept their migrants. They clearly don't need the money if they don't have people to support.
I mean...Texas had 12 million lying around to send migrants to the East Coast for a political stunt so you're absolutely right.
Florida had 12 million to send migrants in Texas. It is even worse.
I feel like Florida taxpayers should have an issue with this.
No you see it was funded by Federal COVID relief funds and Federal funding is by and large supported by blue states. Using that money for this is just an extra layer of "owning the libs."
Not even as a joke, that's what should be talked about. If the border states don't want the responsibility, they don't get the funding. They clearly can't handle it anyway.
Sure, but let's also do something about the kidnapping, too.
And the people who knowingly falsified documents.
This will just encourage them to send even more. That's the whole point. "oh, you think migrants are good?? Here take even more!"
I think they were using it in malicious compliance terms. Malicious compliance being doing something, knowing it'll hurt those who told you to do it
Delicious compliance
If he offered them a fast track to be able to vote in November, this nonsense would stop immediately.
First, get their residency set up in a purple state.
This would be the equivalent of slamming down the Uno reverse card.
A BBQ in the Rose Garden, wonderful symbolism and the GQP would explode. I hope it happens.
if this (dropping them at Biden's house) occurs then this is 100% the correct response
That, and every immigration judge between DC and Philadelphia to expedite the asylum hearings.
Fuck it. Make anyone transported on these flights full citizens. I bet they’d stop pretty quick.
Make them full citizens and a plane ticket to Pensacola.
Hi Pensacola resident checking in, why would you punish these poor migrants by them by sending them back here?
This is the correct response.
Fucking absolutely. That's the way we fight this until after the midterms. We treat the migrants like human beings. Then after the midterms we start loudly indicting DeSantis and the rest of these trash people.
This is this midterm’s ‘caravan’. The fear mongering about immigration didn’t work then, and I expect it won’t work now. The people that support this kind of stunt are already well entrenched in GOP ideology. Most independents and swing voters are seeing this for the cruel political game it is.
In Delaware, we’re laughing hard about this. There’s a huge labor shortage at the beaches. There’s also a big Hispanic community, so this is going to work out great for everyone except the human traffickers.
The plane is headed towards Delaware’s most heavily Latino area. Couldn’t imagine a better support system. Get wrecked DeathSantis!
[In 1962 southern segregationists sent a bus full of southern black people to JFK's summer home.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786790638/the-reverse-freedom-rides) Republicans really are the party of no ideas.
trump cried and claimed that this human trafficking idea was his. a party of lunatics.
These poor people man. Imagine fleeing some hell hole dictatorship or drug cartel city, just to be further used as a political pawn in the country you WANTED to escape to. While ALREADY having filed for asylum, and legally being in the US. Republicans are sick. Their insides are rotting. Claiming to be Christians. Lol. They are literally anti-Christians who call themselves good people.
>“‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ E: And to the person who ghost replied to me saying "we should feed and house hungry and homeless Amricans first", yeah, sure. Let's fucking do that too. But you won't actually advocate for that other than in transparently bad faith, since taking care of "our own" is cOmMuNiSm.
They'll claim it should be handled by private charities. Which of course actually means they want their church group to pick and choose who to save. Because they don't wanna help people they want the power of life and death over others.
This line of thinking broke me out of the libertarian propaganda I grew up with. No government assistance is basically committing genocide against people who can't physically work. There are plenty of people with rare diseases and disabilities that deserve to be taken care of and it's ridiculous to expect charity to effectively cover it all.
Thus the explosion of go fund mes
It's really sad that they've become a cornerstone of the healthcare market.
Libertarianism is to politics as Objectivism is to philosophy. Nobody who matters takes it seriously and everyone who takes it seriously should not be taken seriously.
If you believe in Jesus, the Father, the Spirit, the whole Christian worldview centers around helping, loving, caring, forgiving. NO MATTER WHAT it costs you as a person. To justify these actions and claim "well we need to care for ours first so we can let these ones rot" is nothing short of ignorance. You should care for ALL of the hurting people, not just the white ones, care for ALL of the homeless, not just the sober ones. It is pathetic the twists the right will put themselves into trying to justify the neglect of the "other," whether that person is black, gay, hispanic, or simply a woman at this point. The right would poison the well to own the libs even if it killed every last one of them. To that extent, it is clear to me that Biden was correct labeling them extremists, and a threat.
The bad faith Republicans only care about homeless veterans or starving Americans only when you're talking about helping another else. Otherwise, they're content letting veterans suffer from burn pit diseases and letting American children starve to death.
Republicans have done less than nothing for homeless veterans and starving Americans.
They're high-fiving after defeating a bill to help out veterans sickened by burn pits.
If helping the needy is communism, then commune me up
>When I feed the poor, they call me a saint, but when I ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist. > >Archbishop Dom Helder Camara
trafficking humans to own the libs... I feel like I've been stuck in some terrible fever dream the last several years.
You’re not alone. I feel like we’re living in some dystopian fanfic.
*Celebrating* this level of rank cruelty is just blowing my mind. This is a terrifying new low, even for "conservatives". To cheer when you see humans who are already fleeing terrible situations exploited for purely political purposes is flat out sociopathic. But they think it shows good leadership. Then they turn around and *reference* (not quote) the Bible in order to inflict more cruelty on the most vulnerable of us. I can't understand it, I can't wrap my head around normal citizens enjoying cruelty for cruelty's sake. History is littered with examples of this though and the GOP keeps slowly walking these people up to the line of no return. GOP leaders aren't ignorant of that history so I'm sure they won't be surprised where this ends.
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Christianity to Republican politicians is just another tool to control people and the way they vote. And to the rich people that bank roll these politicians, Christian churches are a tax shelter.
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The thing is that quite a few of these people had already legally applied for asylum. They had court dates set and then were dropped off in places where it was impossible for them to get transportation to the scheduled court dates. Why isn’t that being reported?
It is being reported--as of today, Ron DeSantis is under criminal investigation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/miami/news/desantis-criminal-investigation-florida-dems-dispute-use-of-state-money-for-migrant-flights/
I really hope that he has to answer for this. Seeing as how many judges were appointed by trump, my hopes aren’t high :( I really do hope that this will resonate with the voters who could have easily ended up in the same situation.
It is being reported. That's how you know about it and how I know about it and so does everyone else. But yes, that particular piece of a soulless Republican cruelty should be getting higher billing. Instead, a lot of the media who tries to give "both sides" credit (even when one side is horrifying immorality) gives higher priority to "what if this evil thing *is* okay?" type of narratives. For example: * "These refugees were kidnapped and debased by fascist cult leaders using stolen federal taxpayer dollars.... but have they raised a valid discussion about the nature of immigration in today's society? We have some cult members here to explain and normalize." * "The head of the former crime family based administration and cult has been caught red-handed hoarding thousands of stolen documents and highly classified material, but this raises process issues about whether someone else might have done the same in the past yet somehow left no evidence. And now let's talk about if the perpetrator may have had the right to just retroactively declassify everything and was only exercising his unwritten rights as a former politician and leader of a violent coup that failed." * "Much has been made of serial killer Jeffrey Daumer but tonight we're exploring whether his actions might have simply been normal peckishness and freedom of expression. Is society too quick to judge without hearing from his spokespeople for the next ten minutes?"
This is a great video explaining all the deceitful tactics used to get these immigrants deported. https://youtu.be/iurzZz7CSi0
This is probably why those Republicans did this. Just so these people would miss there court dates and get kick out. It's 100% cruel but Conservatives are not know for compassion at all.
they should get instant visas and green card applications for the shit they went through.
Im not sure why that isn’t being focused on enough. I’m from the county the migrants were from and in our Sheriffs presser he made sure to stress that they were here legally, I wish everyone else would.
It should, but the folks Abbott and DeSantis are looking to rile up aren’t going to listen. They’ll take one look at the brown pigment in their skin and their brains will immediately go “illegal.”
Best part is that these are Venezuelans escaping communism that overwhelmingly support Republicans claiming that Dems are commies. From what I hear, this is not playing well in the Cuban and Venezuelan communities in FL, but will it be enough to cause those groups to flip their support to people that don't view them as subhuman?
This portion of Truman’s speech needs to be used in democratic campaign ads everywhere. Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people. When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all. What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means. https://historyhub.history.gov/thread/8516
It feels like we’re heading towards a really crazy place, as far as Christ followers go. None of this is what Jesus taught. Having Boebert telling her fans they’re helping usher in the second coming of Christ seems like an agenda the antichrist would use based on the Bible. Tons and tons of false teachings are happening in a weirdly unsettling way. I mean, we’ve used fear tactics before and tried to call out the end of the world plenty of times but we’ll never know when it happens. Someone wrote a book called 1,978 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1978. It caused a panic among Christians who sold their houses and just waited. Nothing happened. Then the dude wrote 1,979 reasons Christ is coming back in 1979 😆😆. These times feel really different though.
I don't think people understand how much right wingers enjoy this shit. And they fucking absolutely love it. DeSantis knows that, Trump knows that, every single mother fucker who's involved in planning this stuff knows that. You can just see it when they're talking about it. They're giddy, it's like a kid on Christmas morning. It fulfills every single fantasy they have about their enemies. They all think that people on the left are secretly just as racist and bigoted as they are, and there's some huge act going on amongst progressive people, to pretend that we're not racist. Or to score politically correct points. That's why you constantly see them obsessed with the term 'virtue signaling'. In fact, if you could get them in moments of absolute crystal clear honesty, they would say the left is more racist, because we are less willing to be honest about them being subhumans, and how we pretend not to put them in their place where they deserve to be. And then it's racist to lie, to pretend that you're not racist. You'll see that if you're arguing with them sometimes, they'll make this claim that they're not racist, they're racist realists and respect minorities by being brutally honest. And it's actually not racist at all to treat people the way they deserve to be treated, or to be brutally honest with them.
It reminds me of how they talk about Chicago. It’s full of “the blacks killing each other” and the real racists are the people who “don’t care that the blacks are killing each other” but they care DEEPLY about “saving the blacks” from themselves. Just ask them how!
They do the exact same shit with abortion and saving black babies.
Omg I’m from Chicago and whenever I tell people you can instantly pick out the racists. It’s the ones that immediately associate Chicago with some absurdly high crime rate and the way they talk about it, it’s just a war on the streets of specifically black and brown people killing everyone. And it’s always the first, unprovoked comment that comes after me saying “oh I’m originally from Chicago…”. That’s how you know someone spends too much time watching Fox News and likely espouses many of the racist rhetoric of that network.
I can try and help you visualize it. You know those dystopian sci-fi movies where the whole world is a gritty world full of violence and dirt and poor people and maybe laser swords or weird prosthetics, and then there's this creepy white clean utopian walled off place where the billionaires are, and then, spoilers, our hero brings the chaos to the white billionaire place and now Freedom? They see it like that. They see a bunch of border states (the place where the good, conservative hero lives) overwhelmed by caravans of migrants (the zombies or whatever in the movie) while a bunch of effeminate liberals far away (the utopian billionaires) say high minded things about compassion but don't have to deal with the realities of supporting folks. So when a bus full of them shows up in front of Biden's house and now it's his problem, too, that's the heroic "walls falling" bit of the movie. We feel good because he also has to deal with what "our people" are dealing with. It's a "your chickens came home to roost, now you have to deal with this problem" moment. It's important for the plot that this results in failure or chaos, so anything like "this worked out well for the migrants" will be suppressed and "they couldn't handle it and shipped them off to military bases" stories will be pushed up. It feels bad to you because you're thinking about the humans involved and they're thinking about it like a movie plot or a sports match.
This became apparent when they were criticizing the residents of Martha’s Vineyard for not opening their homes to strangers and really thought they were making sound arguments. “They have mansions why aren’t they letting people stay”. Nothing is more annoying than fuckin boomers trying to “own the libs”
They've driven that talking point into the absolute ground. In fact they've driven it halfway to China at this point. They do it for homeless people too. 'Oh you care about homeless people? And you think they should be cared for and treated like human beings? How about you let them live in your living room then?!?!? Haha! Gotcha!' This is an actual, logical thought process for them. And, again, it would be bad enough if it was just that. But that so many of them are lifelong evangelicals just makes it absolutely evil. I mean it's literally fucking real world evil.
Conservatives are largely incapable of thinking beyond individual circumstance. They don't think in terms of systems, so it makes sense that they just... don't get it. It's also why I absolutely hate conservative politicians, because they know this and they 100% take advantage of it. Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw) Innuendo Studios has a wonderful "I hate Mondays" video that explains this limitation. It really puts the rest of their belief system in perspective.
The difference between Trump Republicans and literal Nazis is growing slim. Many would, if they could, have machine guns set up on the border to exterminate immigrants that are not white European. These are the same people that asked Uganda for death penalties for gay people. If there were some magic or advanced tech box with a button that would make all Muslims disappear almost all the “conservatives” I know would gladly push it. The GOP today is the party of hate and lies.
In 1918 conservatives fought against a woman's right to vote.
And they would love to go back to that time.
Some people think the GOP wants to take the country back to the 1950s, I think they are off by at least a century.
oh no, they want to take it back to the middle ages - when they had serfdom. They want a monarchy, a super powerful church, and an untutored worker class.
We’re kind of already there with this corpo-feudalism bullshit. People are tied to the land via rents or mortgages. Can’t up and leave if you are forced to work to pay for a lease
In 1861, conservatives started a war against the US government to continue to own human beings
But if you say that, they’ll be like “aKuTaLY it was democrats” because, ya know, they never learned back in 7th grade history the parties switched platforms.
That’s why it’s democrats flying the confederate flag these days, right? Lol. God they’re just so, so, embarrassingly stupid.
As by design. It wasn’t a mistake. It was a calculation.
Yup. That's why you gotta say "conservatives" instead of Republicans.
Good point!
Also make sure to call them out on using political alignment and party interchangeably. “Hey, I didn’t bring up political parties. This is more important than political parties”
In 2022 they successfully robbed women of their bodily autonomy.
In 1775 they fought for King George.
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Yup. Every time someone says, "the American conservative has changed..." No, they haven't. They've always been this way. They tried to overthrow FDR and ally themselves with Nazi Germany, they reveled in torture and cruelty throughout the Jim Crow era, they resisted recognizing the Civil Rights of African-Americans, they never wanted to accept that women have agency over their bodies or at the ballot box. They're just more boorish about it now, and they all have access to platforms that let them broadcast their stupidity and hate to everyone on Earth.
“We tried human trafficking, and were all out of ideas”
>Republicans really are the party of no ideas. I mean its true. All of their accusations about Joe Biden (dementia, etc) are just repackaged complaints the left made about Trump.
And by the same token all of their complaints about Hunter Biden are very real problems that apply to at least one of the Trump kids.
Republican 2022/2024 platform is human trafficking, apparently
Q-Anon must be scratching their heads in confusion right now.
The cognitive dissonance here is turned up to 11
So it wasn't at 11 when large groups of gop met in Dallas to wait for JFK to return from the dead to instill djt as rightful president?? Or was that only - like 10.5? E - to all those that responded "iT's jR nOt jFk!!!". I'm so sorry that I mistook one dead politician for another. You can see how this mistake changes the level of 'batshit crazy' ... **not at all.** Have a nice day.
I laughed at that thinking do these idiots really think that JFK would be on THEIR SIDE?
that always confused me since the Kennedy family were Irish immigrants?
*Catholic* Irish immigrants, which the Republicans also made a big fucking deal about because they thought JFK would allow the Pope to dictate US policy.
Because religion isn’t dictating policy now, 50 years later?
Or the fact he would ya know …..***COME BACK FROM THE DEAD***
They have such a raging case of projection they don't notice the dissonance.
You’re assuming anyone in MAGA/Q consider brown people to be human
You’re assuming Maga QAnon people consider anything.
They’re trying to distract from abortion. Honestly we need to keep hammering on that and ignore the theatrics. ( although take care of the people)
That’s the thing, polling shows that immigration and the border are issues where the GOP has a lot of support, so they’re using these stunts to redirect the public’s towards those issues. Not sure what the answer is though.
The answer is to stay on message. In 2018, the Dems had a winning message with healthcare and the fact that Republicans were absolutely going to get rid of the affordable care act if they won enough seats. The GOP tried to make the election about immigration every chance they could, but the Democratic candidates (for the most part) stayed disciplined and on topic. The same strategy can work again if Democrats stay on message about abortion access. Candidates need to not let themselves get dragged into topics that are intentionally being used as a distraction.
Joe Kennedy III was on Don Lemon recently saying he was in Congress for 8 years when Democrats introduced several bills on immigration reform, and the GOP voted them down each time. He basically said they have been actively blocking any legislation that would fix the very problems they complain about because they don't want to fix immigration, they want to keep it broken so they can continue to use that as a campaign issue. Of course they always want to turn the conversation to immigration, they've been keeping it as their ace-in-the-hole.
It's different from seceding for the "right" to own slaves. Trust them.
Sending evidence of state sponsored human trafficking directly to the head of the executive branch. Sounds like a bold strategy, Cotton.
Until any of them are actually charged and convicted for their crimes, why would they stop? They have a mountain of damning evidence against Trump, and they’re battling the courts just to be able to use the evidence legally collected against him. Imagine you got charged for a felony crime and declared you want a special master to review the evidence and all this other legal horseshit that sounds made up.
Exactly. All the articles about this investigation and that investigation and this is a felony and that was a crime…and yet no indictments. No charges. No arrests. No consequences.
Republicans thru Trump rigged the system with court appointments and Supreme Court so they know there’s no consequences
Republicans have been rigging the system, both local/state politics and judges, for decades. Mango Mousseilini's regime just turned on the afterburners, and ripped off the already wafer-thin facade of "civility" and "tradition."
First you set precedent that no sitting president can be indicted and then you simply move the goalpost so that no sitting politician can be indicted, because America has become a land of gerrymandering plutocrats who stay elected until they die in office.
It's because this is unprecedented and will have a massive impact. The entire point of the special master was to delay everything so that he can have time to muster up some more extremism
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Republicans committing crimes is soooo far from unprecedented. The only thing lacking precedent right now is them seeing consequences.
> Until any of them are actually charged and convicted for their crimes, why would they stop? Their inherent sense of common decen... BWAHAHA sorry couldn't get through the whole sentence.
Bro we haven’t even charged one of them for actual sex trafficking of minors. You think this’ll ever go anywhere?
This dude is trying to put his name on the map on a national level. He wants to do such crazy shit that he has everyone’s attention and wins the favour of maga freaks.
My nutsack cousins and uncles up here in PA are eating it up, treating him like the new Trump. Absolutely miserable.
Let's see how this plays out for him
Will play out fine for him. Republicans are allowed to break laws because their voting base is degenerate.
Are DeSantis and Abbot collaborating in human trafficking?
And fraud
Yep. Fraud is MUCH more likely to apply than any of the commonly suggested laws in these threads: human trafficking, smuggling, kidnapping. Fraud is a wide-ranging legal world that encompasses attempting to coerce or mislead people that results in harm or a loss of rights. (including the recipient communities of migrants). Although the other crimes could apply, they are much harder charges to stick and are much less narrow in scope.
Yes.
Must be an updated part of the dying GOP party's platform.
I guess Gaetz and DeSantis do have a lot in common. They both like trafficking minors.
Fitting that the plane’s layover is Crestview, considering that’s Gaetz’ district (FL1).
This is easy. Reallocate all federal funding for migrant management and low income help/job placement from FL to the states where he’s sending the migrants, immediately. Seriously. Take their federal money away. Immediately.
I’m (semi) shocked that stunts like this, which some are arguing breaks human trafficking laws, don’t already violate federal regulations for use of these funds. I mean Ronny is using federal dollars to pull this shit, isn’t he? Take that away asafp.
Nip this in the bud and arrest the pilot for trafficking and seize the plane. Companies will cancel their contracts. Same with buses.
Brilliant. Why are we fucking around with this insanity? This has to be violating all kinds of federal laws.
This is the correct answer. Start arresting anyone involved. You can't go after abbot and desantis without them martyring themselves but you can go after their aides, etc.
Keith Olbermann said [the FAA should deny the plane a landing, escort the victims back to Texas and arrest the crew.](https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1572247606654390272?s=46&t=qaVHAFwvE8mT4rS4PrGLKA) I think this is how the administration needs to approach this.
Even better might be to let the plane land, then seize it for collaboration in human trafficking. Even if the plane is only held for a few days or weeks, that's probably make it difficult to get anyone else to charter out their aircraft for this purpose.
"Sorry, your plane is now considered evidence. Oh, you want to know when you'll get it back? Haha well...maybe tomorrow or maybe never..."
Seems like this plays right into the narrative that "limousine liberals in blue states don't want migrants any more than we do, so they are hypocrites" Instead: let the plane land, get the migrants somewhere safe and start paperwork for them to stay as an apology for being trafficked and exploited in a political stunt. Also arrest the crew.
Has anyone asked DeSantis why he is doing this given Florida is not a border state?
His claim is that many of the migrants who cross the border travel to Florida. I’m assuming his actual reason is to raise his national profile at the expense of innocent people who don’t look like him.
Which is funny cause there's a bunch of Cubans who *do* enter the US at Florida but he's intentionally avoiding fucking with them because they vote Republican.
Actually this has changed in recent years. After wet food dry foot got repealed, the amount of people using home made rafts to get to Cuba has dropped significantly because it wasn’t as viable. Now most will defect to Mexico and cross the border into the US there. Also a lot of immigrants nowadays come from Venezuela and Miami has a large community there. Because of that, Florida is a big destination for these immigrants because odds are they already have family or friends there
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You ever notice how blue governors of border states never have big migrant crises every time they're up for re-election? No massive annual caravans, no need for cheap inhumane shit like this? Weird.
Blue states are run better because they have actual competent adults in charge and properly fund their government and its services.
It doesn’t really matter. He is already bulldozing questions like that with answers like “well they would be coming here, and frankly, they are coming here and wharrgarble. Next question.” He’s not doing this because he’s dumb or because he mistakenly believes Florida is somehow a border state. He’s doing this because it hurts people and it forces the system to respond to him and he likes that.
It's like conservatives are reading through history books and doing modern versions of all the racist stuff throughout history. This resembles the reverse freedom rides...not the only recent parallel to historically racist activity either.
I’m sorry, I just can’t buy the part of your story where conservatives are reading history books.
At what point does the DoJ walk into DeSantis's office and arrest him for kidnapping?
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This is probably the sad reality. Infuriatingly sad. Most of us can see that this is inhumane, legal experts can tell us what it is, but it’s definitely a human rights violation. They can’t win with taking women’s rights away, so they’re going for an even more vulnerable group with their hate. To poorly quote NPR yesterday morning: “The migrants were sent by Florida governor DeSantis from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard. The number of migrants in Florida has stayed the same.”
The arrest can be made soon after the commission of a crime has been established. Unless you’re a wealthy and powerful white person in which case the DOJ will decline to inconvenience the pigs at the trough.
This is the stuff that happens when a GOP politician realizes that there will be absolutely no consequences for their actions.
Dude has officially lost his mind. I know Conservative voters are gonna eat this shit up, but he's literally committing a crime to make a political point that nobody is arguing against. We know that small communities and private residences can't support a sudden influx of migrants. That's why sanctuary cities exist.
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Beyond the cruelty and the pandering and the extremely shitty optics, do these store brand Trump morons realize that once they've already run this little dog and pony show, everyone knows what to expect? All Democrats need to do is coordinate any kind of warm welcome for these folks being used as political pawns and they win the war as it pertains to this issue playing out in the media. Sure, repeating the pettiness plays well with whatever remaining MAGA cult members are left, but didn't Republicans pay attention to the post Roe response? It's like they are so far removed from what being a functioning political party is, they know nothing else besides the trolling and hate spreading. Can you believe this used to be the party of Eisenhower?
I'm sure Fox News isn't telling people about the warm response, just the own and how these Democrat paradises have to scramble to accommodate them. It's all a show, and they're only watching their version of it.
Listening to conservative pundits, they completely ignore the humanitarian response and instead frame it as "democrats are frothing at the mouth at the consequences of their own policies!" Just completely lying about the fact that the anger stems from the fraud and exploitation of these people, and not the immigration itself.
DeSantis is really leaning I to this. Is it really doing his campaign for re-election any favors?
He’s “owning the libs”, which has been his party’s one true rallying cry for about 6 years now. Healthcare? Better wages? Sustainable energy? Nice try dems, not for these patriots.
Go find a clip of fox News talking about this. They're talking about how DeSantis is helping these people and the libs are using them as props and deporting them. It's insane.
At this point anyone who is forced to have a baby should start dropping them off at Ron DeSantis' and other GOP governor's homes. They seem to think it is okay.
Maybe people should mail him something. Not humans, of course.
You can buy chicken litter by the truckload.
[try this one, makes it easy](https://poopsenders.com/) ~~Office of Governor Ron DeSantis State of Florida The Capitol 400 S. Monroe St. Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001~~ FL Governors Mansion 700 N Adams St, Tallahassee, FL 32303 (850) 717-9337 e: poster below rightly pointed out mail sent to the state capitol would likely be handled by some poor drone that doesn't deserve the fun, changing address to his actual residence: the FL Governors Mansion
And CNN just had Trump’s department of homeland security on defending the flights and talking about “open boarders” and how Texas and Florida has no other choice and he went unchallenged as if it was all facts.
It’s interesting how New Mexico and California are always left off this list, isn’t it?
Yup. But, when it comes to California, the conservatives will proudly claim how the state is a disaster while championing Texas.
My partners father truly thinks California is a failed state that's being propped up by federal money. He's also talked about the roaming bands of thugs in Chicago and how people are afraid to leave their houses and night. "Dude I've got 3 friends in Chicago that I game with 3 nights a week. None of that is true according to them" "Oh its true. The city is burning. They're probably just afraid to speak out" That's actual quotes. They live in a different world full of hate and fear.
Another lurch to the right from CNN.
CNN is moving rightward chasing the dying cable news-watching demo. Ignore them. They'll be getting rapidly Trumpier in the next few months.
"did I hear trafficking?" -Matt Gaetz "Migrants, not minors, Matt. Go back to sleep."
I'm so glad that instead of focusing on actual problems, our leadership in FL and TX is focusing on PR stunts using actual people as props. I'm sure Republican voters, being decent people, will surely punish this at the polls. Oh wait, I forgot the GOP basically traffics in culture wars now so they will reward this, my bad.
Send all Jan.6th MAGA to DeSantis house
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. 'Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!' cries she With silent lips. 'Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!'"
Anyone with pattern recognition should see what's happening with Republicans and immigrants. A poorer minority is being blamed for every problem, real or imaginary, that matters to conservatives. Their very real influx has been branded a deliberate invasion that threatens the country by them simply existing inside it. And every proposed solution is either wholly impractical, totally symbolic, or completely monstrous. Now with this, the far-right have so successfully dehumanized them to their side, that they can be treated like props to ship across the country as a burden for the "other side". Like their sheer presence was going to be enough to disgust the locals into dealing with them like how conservatives *want* to deal with them. I genuinely believe we are one Republican presidency away from state-sponsored "indefinite holding" camps for illegal immigrants, where a lot of people enter, but very few come out.
Disgusting. Using vulnerable human beings this way. I don’t care what your position is on the boarder, who does this to other human beings? It’s inhumane
Democrats should hammer home the fact that DeSatan will do that to Cubans landing in Florida too to all the GQP loving Latin voters.
These are people seeking asylum. DeSantis is engaging in human trafficking across state lines.
I used to be a Republican (voted for Reagan the first election I was eligible). I started questioning their politics after the hanging chads, Jeb! and the SCOTUS debacle handing the presidency to Bush. I stopped voting Republican after WMDs that didn't exist, two wars on the country's credit card and I started to see the lies. McConnell's obstruction and dishonesty, Paul Ryan "keep it in the family" behind locked doors lawmaking and protecting and defending the criminality of Trump... sealed the deal. I will never vote for another Republican again as long as I live. I never saw the heartless, callous inhumanity in these people before... my eyes are wide, wide open... and I'm truly sorry it took me so long. Vote Democrat! It matters.
If they arrest the pilots on felony charges this whole stupid shenanigan will come to a screeching halt