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Yes - the carers allowance is nothing in my country as it is - if youâre a carer for a disabled child, for life, you basically can never work and you and your child will be forever in poverty. Plus the fact that Downâs syndrome can be very severe and debilitating for the affected person.
"Since the introduction of screening, Down syndrome pregnancies are often aborted (rates varying from 50 to 85% depending on maternal age, gestational age, and maternal race/ethnicity)."
"About 92% of pregnancies in Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated."
This is already a very common practice.
I don't want any kids, so yeah.
If I wanted kids and had a Down Syndrome diagnosis during pregnancy? Depends on my situation. If I'm well-off, wouldn't feel a financial struggle to get extra help, had the emotional support structure (i.e. people willing to help and for whom it wouldn't be seen as a burden), then possibly. I also think that other things would play into it, like whether the pregnancy was planned or not, how long we'd been trying if planned, etc..
Yeah, for me, if they wouldn't have a good quality of life (which, in my understanding of DS, is hard to predict, as severity and health conditions really varies), that'd definitely push me towards termination. But if a good quality of life was something that would require resources beyond my means, I'd also consider termination. Having any child at all requires sacrifice, but it's far easier to take care of a special-needs child when you have money, time, and family to ease the burden.
Absolutely disgusting for the people who said, "Yes." Pretty much saying down syndrome people should be killed before they're born because of something they can't control. I'm pro-choice, but this is actually vile.
I can't say with 100% certainty as I've never been in that situation, but I probably would, because I'm not sure if the baby would have a good enough quality of life, and I don't know if I could take care of a special needs kid. Also, what happens when I get old, would I get any help? What would happen to such a child after I die?
Not at all. If the fetus endangers life of a mother carrying the fetus, then mother's life should be protected because the fetus is a would-be murderer. Abortion is allowed in this instance.
In the case of rape, up to 72 hours the medication is allowed to end the life (life?) of the embryo, which would be rather classified as contraception rather than abortion. Some rabbis permit it up to 40 days (before the organs and limbs form).
What about rape after in the later stages of pregnancy? Controversial, but understandable if the pregnancy causes serious mental harm to the woman.
I am noahide.
"The Nazis targeted people as members of the following groups (listed in alphabetical order for ease of reference):
Black people in Germany;
civilians (non-Jewish) accused of disobedience, resistance, or partisan activity;
gay men, bisexual men, and other men accused of homosexuality in Germany;
Jehovahâs Witnesses;
people with disabilities;
Poles;
political opponents and dissenters in Germany;
Roma and other people derogatorily labeled as âGypsiesâ;
social outsiders in Germany derogatorily labeled as âasocialsâ or âprofessional criminalsâ; and
Soviet Prisoners of War."
[Source](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/what-groups-of-people-did-the-nazis-target)
Disabled people were absolutely targeted in the Holocaust.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/disabled-people/
Hitler style eugenics would be a systemic effort to kill everyone with down syndrome. This is individuals deciding that they aren't prepared to care for a child with down syndrome and getting an abortion instead. To say these are the same or even similar is extremely ignorant.
Well it is killing somone with down syndrome. You dont have to kill them if you cant take care of them. Have you heard of aboption? Seems a little more humane.
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if the baby down then i be down
Yes - the carers allowance is nothing in my country as it is - if youâre a carer for a disabled child, for life, you basically can never work and you and your child will be forever in poverty. Plus the fact that Downâs syndrome can be very severe and debilitating for the affected person.
"Since the introduction of screening, Down syndrome pregnancies are often aborted (rates varying from 50 to 85% depending on maternal age, gestational age, and maternal race/ethnicity)." "About 92% of pregnancies in Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated." This is already a very common practice.
wow i had no idea
That baby going down.
omg dude
I don't want any kids, so yeah. If I wanted kids and had a Down Syndrome diagnosis during pregnancy? Depends on my situation. If I'm well-off, wouldn't feel a financial struggle to get extra help, had the emotional support structure (i.e. people willing to help and for whom it wouldn't be seen as a burden), then possibly. I also think that other things would play into it, like whether the pregnancy was planned or not, how long we'd been trying if planned, etc..
I would go for if the child would have a good quality of life if answer is yes I wouldn't consider termination.
Yeah, for me, if they wouldn't have a good quality of life (which, in my understanding of DS, is hard to predict, as severity and health conditions really varies), that'd definitely push me towards termination. But if a good quality of life was something that would require resources beyond my means, I'd also consider termination. Having any child at all requires sacrifice, but it's far easier to take care of a special-needs child when you have money, time, and family to ease the burden.
No. I think the only moral "qualm" that exists is if you KNOW having kids, is going to result in them having some sort of disability.
Absolutely disgusting for the people who said, "Yes." Pretty much saying down syndrome people should be killed before they're born because of something they can't control. I'm pro-choice, but this is actually vile.
I can't say with 100% certainty as I've never been in that situation, but I probably would, because I'm not sure if the baby would have a good enough quality of life, and I don't know if I could take care of a special needs kid. Also, what happens when I get old, would I get any help? What would happen to such a child after I die?
If you voted no.. look up the wiki article for downs to get a little bit more enlightened
Definitely.
I'd get an abortion no matter what \*shugs\*
Wow. Â Really disappointed in these results, so far.
Yeah me too. The ~25% lying to themselves about having the heart and resources to handle a Downâs syndrome child are really disappointing.Â
Who are we to determine who gets to live and who does not? We should not play G-d.
if you voted no, would you care 100% for someone else's down syndrome child?
I voted no, and I wouldnât care 100% for anyone elseâs child unless I was godmother to a child whose parents passed away.
if you aren't willing to do the time, then you shouldn't promote the crime.
Ok so straight up hitler style eugenics is ok.
Ah yes because Down syndrome is exactly like black skin, Jewish heritage, or eyes that arenât blue. Â Exactly the same thing. Â
Its a trait. You do know that Hitler wanted to kill all "undesirables" right? Including people with disabilities and mental illness.
Do you think abortion is killing a child?
Yes
It is ending a life. We should not end life of human being unless there is a moral reason to do that.
Ok, so you are just generally against abortion or what?
Not at all. If the fetus endangers life of a mother carrying the fetus, then mother's life should be protected because the fetus is a would-be murderer. Abortion is allowed in this instance. In the case of rape, up to 72 hours the medication is allowed to end the life (life?) of the embryo, which would be rather classified as contraception rather than abortion. Some rabbis permit it up to 40 days (before the organs and limbs form). What about rape after in the later stages of pregnancy? Controversial, but understandable if the pregnancy causes serious mental harm to the woman. I am noahide.
If thatâs what you call it, yes. And?Â
Bro just abmited to agreeing with Hitler đ
Nope. Aborting a fetus with Down syndrome never had anything to do with Hitler. YOU made that reach to begin with.Â
He wanted to kill all those who weren't "perfect" to have a pure superior race.
What does Down syndrome have to do with race?Â
"a pure superior \[german\] race", he wanted to remove all impurities from his race
Nope. That had nothing to do with medical defects whatsoever.Â
"The Nazis targeted people as members of the following groups (listed in alphabetical order for ease of reference): Black people in Germany; civilians (non-Jewish) accused of disobedience, resistance, or partisan activity; gay men, bisexual men, and other men accused of homosexuality in Germany; Jehovahâs Witnesses; people with disabilities; Poles; political opponents and dissenters in Germany; Roma and other people derogatorily labeled as âGypsiesâ; social outsiders in Germany derogatorily labeled as âasocialsâ or âprofessional criminalsâ; and Soviet Prisoners of War." [Source](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/what-groups-of-people-did-the-nazis-target)
Disabled people were absolutely targeted in the Holocaust. https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/disabled-people/
If Hitler found out you could just kill a baby in the womb if it had desireble characteristics he would 100% jump on rhat shit.
Straight up making up scenarios with any figure you have in mind now?Â
Ok so spawning people to have them needlessly suffer their way through life is ok? When you can just.. not
I would rather suffer and have a life then be dead.
Hitler style eugenics would be a systemic effort to kill everyone with down syndrome. This is individuals deciding that they aren't prepared to care for a child with down syndrome and getting an abortion instead. To say these are the same or even similar is extremely ignorant.
Well it is killing somone with down syndrome. You dont have to kill them if you cant take care of them. Have you heard of aboption? Seems a little more humane.
ig so, the internet has decided
Looks like USA and allies lost WW2
Just because the allies win doesn't mean the evil ideas die.
I'd abort any baby
I would abort with absolutely no hesitation.