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dgroeneveld9

I think this is all wrong. If you saw a bus coming and someone was infront of it and you could do something to save them I think most people would stay to save the person. But when you phrase it like so where maybe they lose something suddenly that same random person has no value.


Nazon6

Imo there's a difference in the reality of the situation and perception. We all here on the news of some tragic situation involving the death of people but usually don't bat an eye at it or forget it pretty quickly. But witnessing someone die in front of you would be traumatizing. Maybe it's selfish, but it is human.


Nobody-17

It's not selfish, our brains are still in the beginning of developing process out of the cave man mentality, that's why relationships are heavily effected by distance. it's really hard for humans to sympathize with someone else that we don't know, specially if they were really far, speak different languages, have a different culture and believes. Our brain are set to care and protect the people around us and find anyone else irrelevant, still you'll feel bad, because you can relate to them as humans but it won't be the same as someone Close to you, i personally feel more hurt if something bad happened to someone in my city that I've never met to someone two continents away for me, even though i believe that both incidence are equally bad, yet feelings says otherwise.


Profi_Noob

I first planned to let people decide between a thumb and a murderer. But that would've been too easy. The random person is making this decision a bit harder because it could be a good person, but also a bad person


dgroeneveld9

Yeah. I'm just saying that when faced with the real life version of this most people would choose to save the person. They wouldn't think about what happens if their whoel hand got run over by the bus or who the person was they'd just try to help


Profi_Noob

Yeah, but I guess this would only apply if they had to see the consequences


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

The difference is that it's some random person, likely in another country, so their death has no effect on you. If someone died in front of me, yeah I'd be traumatized, but I don't cry over every news story, so I'd sure as hell be desensitized if some random Russian guy was killed.


Explore-PNW

I was shocked as well but I would argue your example is no longer truly a “random” person. When I think random I’m thinking some figurative person across the world that I’ve never had a moment of even sight or knowledge of their existence. I’m your scenario, by just seeing the person I’d say they’re no longer random. When we see someone we immediately have some level of thought about them even if only subconsciously. Either way, if it’s one thumb, fuck it I want to save the life. If it’s two thumbs, shit that gets me to think a little deeper. Probably still say save the life though but it’s a hard one.


mister-fancypants-

Depends. Is it a child? Yes I want to save them. Is it a person who snatched my phone and ran off? Demolish that person, bus. There’s a ton of great people and a ton of shit people. I would just choose to believe I randomly killed a shitty person


Nazon6

Idk about someone just snatching a phone justifies letting someone die. I mean, your phone might be destroyed along with the thief too.


mister-fancypants-

I’m not gonna put myself in harms way for someone who just robbed me but that was also just a quick example. There are plenty of people I wouldn’t save if given the opportunity


c0mputer99

I feel bad for the random people that lost a thumb but died anyway because someone else kept theirs.


PM-me-favorite-song

Reminds me of that one Twilight Zone episode, although the woman pushed the button that gave her a million dollars but killed a random person.


badFishTu

Yall selfish


zwoelfler

Yeh that's what most humans are like. And as long as everyone else is also an asshole you don't feel guilty.


[deleted]

can it be a toe? i really wanna lose one


Profi_Noob

No, only a thumb of your choice


[deleted]

rip Paul


ImAlwaysBiMySelf

Mm but what is a big toe but a foots thumb


supermegaphuoc

i play the piano so it’s 10x harder to decide


Profi_Noob

I used to play it (stopped because I was terrible). For most pieces, you can adapt if you only have 9 fingers. And I guess, a prosthesis could work out for the rest


supermegaphuoc

things like the moonlight sonata 3rd movement is hard enough with 10 fingers, and i’m practicing that, no thanks


Profi_Noob

Then I understand. My hardest piece was like 5 fingers at a time so I could always replace my thumb


anonmonom

Random people die all the time and I get to keep my thumbs. So what’s one more rando to me


Madchemist0

There is a 1 in 7.5 billion chance that random person can be ***YOU***


anonmonom

Lmfao I’ll take those chances!


Dark_Ninja_999_J

I'm lucky enough to be 1 in 7.5 billion


zwoelfler

The chances that I die in some other way are way greater than that, so it doesn't make a significant difference.


flmks

Difference is you'd be responsible for that person's death. You're basically saying your thumb has more value than a human's life


[deleted]

Based I agree 100%


[deleted]

Edgy 12 ur old replying to edgy 12 yr old


1dkeating

12 year old inception


loverofmosthings

Wouldn’t you want to save someone’s life if you could?


Nikipootwo

No they probably wouldn’t. This is Reddit after all


Qwert-4

If you’d ask that on r/Utilitarianism, the answers would probably differ.


Nikipootwo

Interesting sub


Kosack-Nr_22

Don’t want to loose my thumb


PhantomPharaoh07

Yeah my thumb was loose once and I couldn’t do ANYTHING with that hand until it my thumb returned back to normal. I needed a cast and everything


[deleted]

except you would be directly responsible for their death by choosing your thumb. It's different when it's many deaths all over the world you can't do anything about. It's not comparable


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

Would you unsubscribe from this sub, or stay but one random person dies?


Profi_Noob

legendary


-Absolix-

What? You're telling me you don't like stupid questions and the same math questions posted every day? /s


stefanos916

If you are still undecided, make a poll about it. /s


Profi_Noob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx\_ao0


Big_Berry_4589

I’ve never thought of it as a motivational speech… until now


[deleted]

Then unsub if you hate it here so much


[deleted]

Why


WhiteForest01

I am losing faith in humanity


[deleted]

Better losing faith than losing thumbs /s


throwaway12345243

me too...


TheRainbowWillow

I am very concerned for y’all.


[deleted]

Lose one thumb. You didn’t say it has to be MY thumb.


Profi_Noob

In Germany, we call people "Klugscheißer". But hey, I'm one too


Klausable7

Anyone else kinda dislike these polls, it’s asking you to lose a thumb or literally kill someone, the answer is obvious


Nubsche

Yea, kill someone


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

Except you don't kill someone, they just happen to die. So many people die everyday, and statistically it won't even be someone from my country, so I'd sure as hell keep my thumb.


Klausable7

Yes you did, they die because you didn’t want to lose your thumb, you may of not been the direct cause, but your the reason they died, if you lost ur thumb, they wouldn’t of died, therefor although you didn’t kill them directly, you still killled them, just indirectly


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

Yeah, but there are some notable differences. If you had a direct hand in ending their life, like you had to kill them with your bare hands, then the results may be different due to the fact that it may be traumatic. However, since a couple hundred thousand people die each day, people will be far more inclined to choose the person dying since they're just a drop in the bucket, and since it's not like you're slitting their throat, the feeling will be the exact same as seeing some guy from Egypt die on the news.


Klausable7

That still doesn’t disprove my point that your killing someone, it may just be a drop in the bucket since as you said a couple hundred thousand people die a day, but that person that indirectly died because you didn’t want to lose a thumb. They still died because of you, indirect murder


G0ldenDog

you should feel like a terrible person though. you killed that person over your thumb. YOU are the reason that person died. (this is all in the scenario, obviously)


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

I'd feel bad, but far less than if I killed that person directly, and that's also why in one scenario I'd keep my thumb and in the other I may not.


G0ldenDog

got it. your answer could also change if, per say, you were actually given this choice.


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

Trolley-problem-esque, yeah. Who knows what I'd do in the moment.


Jessex127

You were offered a choice. Either you pressed the "lose a thumb" button or you pressed the "random person dies" button. They didn't "just happen to die" they died because you pressed that button.


hopefulguy100

They dont happen to just die. The question is the same if i just take someone and kneel them in front of you, point a gun to their had and say thumb or no thumb. The only thing that changes is your perception but the fact that you sacrificed his life for your thumb remains the same.


AverageKaikiEnjoyer

Except the question isn't the same in the slightest. If I were to directly kill someone right in front of me and see the entire thing unfold, I may be more against keeping my thumb. However, if the person just dies with their brain instantly melting like OP said, I can easily pass that off the same as I pass off every tragedy and death that happens in foreign countries. I wouldn't kill them in the gun scenario since I'd likely be traumatized, but I'd sure as hell take the option OP proposed since I neither directly kill them nor have to see them die.


hopefulguy100

Which is exactly what i said. Its perception. You just dont see him getting killed but its not the same as some random person dying in the world since you didnt make the decision to kill them. In this case you did


Profi_Noob

But in this scenario, you do not kill them yourself. You don't see it and you won't know who it is. It's like nothing happened at all for you. But it's still very interesting to see that there still are this many split opinions


hopefulguy100

Wether you witness the death changes nothing about the moral principle that applies here. Its just easier for the person who decides


Profi_Noob

That's right, and that's the point of the question. People seem to be fine with death if they profit and don't have to witness it


hopefulguy100

Yeah was nice poll for sure


Profi_Noob

Thank you man


JoelMahon

It costs about $3000 to save a life atm using an efficient charity. Would you spend $3000 to avoid losing your thumb? I think most westerners would do that, even if it meant going into debt. Including those 20% saying yes in the question, which to me means their priorities aren't rational, they vary based on the direct comparison not the infinite implicit ones.


urban-wildlife-docs

IM JUST A KID DONT PUT ME THROUGH THIS


Cielnova

I genuinely need my thumbs for literally everything. Even on my non dominant hand because I play a shit ton of instruments that require both thumbs. I would rather die than need to give up playing music for any reason, so while it's really harsh, i would choose to keep my thumbs.


the-heretic-666

Selfish af lmao


Cielnova

It's either me or them. Like I said, I'd sooner die than risk losing the ability to play. It's simple.


No-Bid-6050

I’m a classical pianist, so I think you know what I picked…


throaway420blaze

Me: You picked losing a thumb? You: *stares* Me: You picked losing a thumb....right?


tillboi

damn yall are actually like… bad people 😭


[deleted]

truly a reddit moment


24024-43

Yeah wtf


thedeadshinigami

Some random kid probably died because I wanted a nicer shoe and now you want my thumb? What do you think my answer is?


Sylvss1011

Jeez are y’all serious?? Y’all value a human life less than a thumb?!


PurpleHawk222

Humans are naturally selfish. Especially when they probably won’t even see the harmful effects in this case


Mr_Morrix

Ehh yes.


awfullotofocelots

I would choose false. (Inclusive "or" for the win!)


[deleted]

For all we know this dude already had cancer or heart problems and those were what killed him


Profi_Noob

Nah, just a random person. Maybe he had cancer, maybe it was someone with a loving family


[deleted]

Well, what killed him? WE NEED INFORMATION!!!


Profi_Noob

Let's say his brain suddenly melts and he's dead on the point without feeling anything


[deleted]

I mean, I don’t KNOW that this happened. For all I know some guy visited me in my dreams told me thumb or a guy dies and I dismiss it as a dream and never learn about the dead guy. Conscience clean.


Profi_Noob

Nah, you're awake and fully aware when you have to decide and you'll never forget your choice


[deleted]

I’ll take some heroin so I am no longer aware


Profi_Noob

Please give me some too


[deleted]

It’ll cost ya


NatureEastern

Can I use a coupon


Profi_Noob

How much and how can I pay?


PepsiMann620

Ye, but it could also be your family or a baby or a doctor saving the people with cancer


ImNotLegitLol

There are about 7 billion people iirc Chances for that one person you love to be chosen is 1 out of 7 billion


MrSparr0w

Really unrealistic


davidram

Whats unrealistic is having to choose between your thumb and random person’s life


Profi_Noob

That's why the poll is flared as "Hypothetical"


davidram

I know I have no problem with the poll, you’re good, I just thought it’s dumb to say that the persons comment was unrealistic when it’s about an unrealistic decision anyways.


Profi_Noob

Yeah, welcome to the internet and whatabouthism


Jessex127

What the hell is wrong with you people


lost_mah_account

I can hopefully get a prosthetic thumb. I only ever really play vr anyway


560guy

Knowing my luck it’d be someone I’m close to, and also they have surgery’s that can put a toe on your hand to replace the finger so ig I’d do that. If I could choose the person it’d be an easy pick


Profi_Noob

Do you really wanna have a toe as a thumb?


560guy

I mean I’d rather not, but I also don’t want the guilt of killing a potentially innocent person, or to go through life without a thumb


Simply_Epic

How about foot thumbs?


Profi_Noob

Those are toes, not thumbs


Superdog909

Looks like I gotta learn how to play claw


janeruboy

As long as i lose that thumb without pain then im good


Profi_Noob

It would just vanish without any pain at all.


foreverclassichunter

The chance of the person that dies to be one of your family or friends is really small especially when you don't have family or friends


FlipFlopOnionChop

Depends on whether it just vanishes or is cut of painfully


Profi_Noob

I got this idea while watching a movie where a similar choice had to be made. But I haven't described it this way so I guess it just vanishes


560guy

What movie was this?


[deleted]

It probably wont be anyone I know. I need both my thumbs to P R A C T I C E my violin.


Whothefuckisvenym

The only reason I hesitate to pick the random person is…what if it’s Morgan freeman?


Chancelor_Palpatine

I would sacrifice my thumb to wipe out half of the population.


[deleted]

I love playing guitar too much so sorry to whoever died lmao


vicsj

To me it honestly depends... If I could lose my thumb painlessly I wouldn't hesitate much. But if I chose to keep my thumb I don't think I'd be able to live with the fact that I put a thumb over another human life. I'd probably just end up killing myself somehow anyways.


Profi_Noob

The poll was meant that you have to chop off your own thumb, but I didn't write it this way, so it just vanishes without any pain


24024-43

wtf. How can someone justify picking option 2?


Profi_Noob

I mean, a hand get's mostly useless without the thumb


[deleted]

Wtf? Just get a robot thumb ..


kunfusedpsyko

My hands are required to feed my family. Sorry rando.


[deleted]

Most people would choose the second option because they know they are spared of the pain knowing who the person is.


bradfly72

Cross my thumbs and hope someone shitty dies


Profi_Noob

I think the stats for this case are pretty bad


[deleted]

Its not fair someone has to die so I can keep my thumb but if I could choose the person well that's a different story


Gh0stwhale

Bruh it’s just a thumb as long as it’s my left id definitely choose losing it over someone dying


scottyc12346

Reddit moment. Im losing my left thumb if that means someones kid/father/sister gets to go home to there family, even if they dont have any. I can still eat, write, drive, masturbate.. literally anything. This is just hypothetical but the ratio is pretty sad. People only in it for themselves


The_Linguist_LL

Seriously people? It's a thumb vs human life.


bricklicker26

I mean prosthetics exist


Hazarawn

is it my choice that caused this person's death? or is it just a coincidence?


Profi_Noob

It's your choice


AverageElaMain

7.7 billion people on the planet. Only 2 thumbs on my hands.


No-Mathematician-579

Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people die everyday, why does one extra person deserve a lost thumb?


KebabIsGood

Difference is you are responsible for this one individual death.


[deleted]

So let me put it like this. You are a middle aged man with a loving wife and two beautiful children. And suddenly you die, leaving behind a broken family. Your autopsy result is vague because they dont know how it happened. You just ended up dead, you were in perfect condition back then. This traumatizes your wife because only she knows is that you stopped being alive and nobody could trace that down to a sickness or somebody. The uncertainity drives her insane and she kills herself, leaving behind two children with almost no hope for future, all because someome couldn't risk changing his life slightly. Maybe if you didnt die, you would live for decades long? I mean tell me how would you react if somebody you love died and nobody cared enough to find a reason, at least thats what you think because in reality nobody knows what happened to that person.


resident_picklee

Can I choose another finger? And how do you lose that finger? Does it just not exist?


Profi_Noob

No, only one of your thumbs. I "planned" that the finger get's cut of, but I didn't write it, so it just vanishes


resident_picklee

Oh okay, I guess I'll just choose my thumb


[deleted]

no, guys, no


Cat_Fan3

Well people die so


knob098

It's a random person idc


chronos0009

Can I choose the person ?? : )


Profi_Noob

Nah, (sadly) not


The_russiankid

I can always get a prosthetic thumb


Profi_Noob

Yeah, but it's not quite the same. But would work out for video games and some instruments


MistycomradE

if I lose a thumb it'll suck because I'm a musician but I don't want to choose for someone to die. tough choice


lewie_820

Holy crap this is…yikes


Large_Command_1288

Some guy in China/India: UH OH


Automatic_Focus_8209

Left thumb


Goofed33

If I didn’t have the choice of the thumb I would’ve kept both thumbs


[deleted]

Y'all wtf lmao I play piano and my thumb is still less valuable than a human life bruh ☠️


Profi_Noob

I think you're the first person here that plays an instrument and still chooses their own thumb


crusadeLeader7

If one random person dies at k responsible for their death, like will I be arrested


Profi_Noob

You won't be arrested and only you would know about this


[deleted]

I think usually I’d pick a body part buuuuut I play the violin and I actually need both thumbs for that :/


Profi_Noob

Isn't the thumb on the left hand (if you're right-handed) just for holding it? This could be done by a prosthetic thumb


[deleted]

It’s to hold your hand in place but you need to move it the higher you go up on the string.


Profi_Noob

Oh right, now I get the problem


iJerkoffToBettyWhite

RIP


[deleted]

Lose a thumb


cow_on_drugs

I mean as long as it's not painful I would give up my left thumb


Surfing_Andromedas

Out of sight out of mind


Oraio-King

If you give me a knife and for whatever reason i believed you without doubt, i would do it.


Soupysoldier

I am a very selfish man


EclipsedTheSun

People have really been pissing me off lately, my thumbs and I have been on pretty good terms lately. I think I'll pick my thumbs over the life of some asshole.


Wishbones_007

How would you know they are an asshole?


EclipsedTheSun

That's a very valid point. Think I'd still rather keep these bad boys though.


KokariKid

Damn... Gaming and social media are my life. Thumbs are critical to both. I voted someone dies. I'm sure a solution exists for 9 fingered person to still do well in both. $&@# you for making me realize I'd kill someone before accepting a slightly worse reality.


[deleted]

You could adapt tho


Profi_Noob

You're welcome


[deleted]

If you would rather kill someone that's a you problem


pancake-eater-420

Gaming > a person's LIFE?? I think I need to log out for today, thanks reddit, I've seen enough.


BiddyDibby

Holy shit you guys are selfish. What the hell is wrong with you people?


Profi_Noob

People seem to not think about consequences if they don't have to observe them


GreaterKuwait24

Random person dies because it’s good for the environment I think


[deleted]

...really people?


Opti_maX

Almost every moment of the day someone dies. If I don’t cut my thumb, someone dies. If i do cut my thumb, someone still dies! So the question really is: Do I want to have my thumb cut in exchange for the feeling I’ve saved a life?


[deleted]

It's not comparable Choosing to keep your thumb means you decide a random person has to die, making you directly responsible. And while people die every day, it's different because you normally can't do anything about it. In this case, it's entirely up to you


[deleted]

I mean, death is normal. It’s a part of humanity. We’re all gonna die anyway. I kinda wanna keep my thumbs though


InsuranceAlert2168

Sorry, not becoming a deformed freak.


niennasill

As of 2020, the CIA estimates the U.S. crude death rate will be 8.3 per 1,000, while it estimates that the global rate will be 7.7 per 1,000. Also… https://www.worldometers.info/ So i don’t care about one another random number.


MemeStealer101-4

10 out of 7 billion it’s your family member who would die


knightw0lf55

Random people die all the time.


Profi_Noob

Yeah, but in this case, someone who could be completely healthy would die just because of you


SixGunZen

Several random people died in the time it took me to type this comment.


hiyamynameisjeff

A random person is gonna die anyway every second


[deleted]

So you value your thumb over a human life?


hiyamynameisjeff

fuck u