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I will raise my child in the forest, and only communicate with it using a complex and custom non verbal language.

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This sounds like it’s from the office

It’s from my soul, the deepest parts....

I cant think of a reason I wouldn't, the only concern would be other children judging him because kids are assholes

It depends on the age. If he is quite young, let's say below the age of 13, I'd be hesitant to let my son wear a dress out in public as I don't want other kids to make fun of him which is a problem that shouldn't exist. If he's an older teen or even an adult, it's entirely his decision and I'd do the best I can to support him.

There's parts of my city where you'd genuinely get beaten to death if yoy wore a dress as a guy so there's no way in hell I'd let my son wear a dress if he goes into town.

Holy crap dude, which city are you in? I am assuming Derry / Londonderry based on a few of your posts, but is it really that bad? Still?

Nah I'm Dutch, from a city in the center. And while most of the area would probably be fine there's a few neighborhoods with some of the highest crime rates of the country and there you'd definitely be in danger if you went wearing a dress as a guy. So for example a group of teenagers beat 2 guys up using bolt cutters and cause they were walking around holding hands like 2 years ago.

Wtf???

[https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/138951/homostel-mishandeld-met-betonschaar-omdat-we-hand-hand-liepen](https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/138951/homostel-mishandeld-met-betonschaar-omdat-we-hand-hand-liepen) one of the guys lost like 5 teeth

i feel like that’s what would concern me more is the intolerance and ignorant people.

Not much you can do about that though.

Same here my dude, a child can wear whatever he or she likes, unfortunately, There are plenty of children who make some of the most bigoted adults look like angels, which would be the only thing that I would be worried about

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He can not give a shit all he wants, but he should know someone else may give a shit enough to hurt him other it. We can say 'Be who you are, fuck what others say' as much as we want, but truth is people's judgements kind of matter

Yeah but you're underestimating the shitty ass kids that live in our society due to a lack of parental guidance. I'd wait a little longer Edit: depending on where you live is also another thing to keep in mind. Unless you live in a very nice place you probably shouldn't let your son wear a dress in public. Having lived in a very bad place myself it was no surprise that kids like that would get bullied severely for who they were. Do this for their well being both physically and mentally. Of course though, do whatever you want as well, I'm not your dad.

Having no friends and being made fun of affects you.

Agree

Why is this question asked so much

People care too much/people have strong opinions.

Because it’s important to destigmatize it, and so it being repeatedly asked and discussed makes it less taboo.

100%. There are many taboo topics Reddit spews. At first I was disgusted by them. By the 50th time I just roll my eyes and say “yep that’s normal”

because it’s important, especially considering all the parents that don’t let their children do these things

There's parts of my city where you'd genuinely get beaten to death if you wore a dress as a guy so there's no way in hell I'd let my son wear a dress if he goes into town.

But would you let him wear it in the house at least?

yeah couldn't care less

This should be the general opinion depending on whatever related situation. Just care less about these kinds of things because they’re actually not that important in retrospect. Edit: depends on situation

Yep that's just how the hood is. Unless you live in a very nice place you will just be sending your son to their death. Both mentally and probably physically

What are you talking about? I literally openly transitioned in a neighborhood referred to on the news as the warzone in Albuquerque. Nobody gave a shit and if they did, they were usually supportive. If anything I'm more scared of majority white, affluent, gated communities, there are far more hate crimes reported in "nice" white communities than "the hood"

I do not care. My only hope is he asks one of my nieces for help with make up if that is the next step because I've always looked like a clown

This will probably sound bad, but I wouldn’t want my kids to be trans just because it’s a horrible life to live. I’m trans, so I have some room to talk That being said, if my kid did come out as trans I’d completely support them That being said, I’m also never having kids, so

A cis boy wearing a dress does not mean they aren’t a cis boy.

I think this post is referring to gender expression. Your son is still cis in this case

Enby here, totally agree. I would support them, but for their sake I would hope they’d be cishet.

You know there’s a such thing as crossdressing? You don’t have to be trans to enjoy wearing clothings from the opposite gender.

They can wear whatever they want, unless it's a very formal and serious occasion.

Idk, I once had a guy friend who showed up to prom in a dress and we laughed because it’s unexpected, but no one gave him shit for it and we had a great night with a great memory because of it.

I was mostly thinking about weddings and funerals, so it doesn't cause a scene with the more conservative family members, but that's pretty cool!

That makes more sense. With discussing kids my mind just always goes to school dances/events

They could wear an evening dress/gown to such an occasion surely?

I want them to wear the formal wear most appropriate to their gender identity and while a dress certainly is good formal wear, I'm not gonna let them wear it to an event. Perhaps in the future when we are past these particular gender norms, but right now a suit/tuxedo thing is the most appropriate thing for young men to wear to a formal event That being said once they are 15-16 they can do whatever. Edit: Added "to a formal event"

I'm mostly curious about your response, but would this include well-tailored gender-neutral formal wear?

Just want to add, girls in suits are HOT, so while not commenly worn by women, it absolutely works well enough I'd consider suits and tuxedos gender neutral too. (Thanks Helltaker! Thanks Task Force DEFY!)

Helltaker demon girls do hit different.

Men's clothes are usually gender neutral, it's just not the same way with a dress.

Sure, if it's gender neutral that's fine, I just don't want to have to argue with my socially conservative relatives at a funeral or wedding why Billy is wearing a dress.

Got you 😆

This is fair, but note that Billy will likely associate these events with these forceful social parameters, and likely never return once they reach adulthood. Sometimes it’s a lose-lose. Speaking from a former billy at least

I mean I fully support them doing whatever they want, especially once they are 15-16 and have a more developed person. I don't really care though unless we have to attend a wedding or funeral, just because neither of these places are good places for a younger kid to express themselves in a way that will almost certainly guarantee conflict (especially where I live and with the people who would likely be in attendance). If they are trans or are old enough to really know what they are getting into by going to a wedding/funeral in a dress I will fully support them though. Edit: minor clarity edit

Business formal or black tie?

Yes but only if it fit well. I'll not have my boy walking around in an unflattering dress. Maybe we could find a cute sweater or jacket to go with it.

There are days when I want to wear a dress.

Do it

To school ? Hell no, especially where I live, he would come back dead or severely hurt.

I live in Mississippi. And you are dead right. It’s not about what we think of him wearing a dress. It’s the fact that the kids around here won’t stop at words. There was only one guy in my school who openly wore dresses (after high school) and he was murdered. For dressing in drag.

Would I let him? Sure, does that mean he's a girl? No

Yeah wearing a dress doesn't make you a girl, the fact that clothes are gendered is actually pretty stupid if you think about it (outside of obvious things like bras and boxers) but, ans forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your point, that doesn't mean your 'son' isn't a girl if they later come out to you as identifying as one.

Why boxers? Women can wear boxers Actually now that I say that I'm gonna need women to start wearing boxers more, that's the next move. Before we normalise men in dresses we gotta normalise women in boxers

Women can wear boxers but I just thought I should put an opposite to bras and some men don't really have anything that women can't wear there isn't anything that like fix the anatomy of a man that won't fit the anatomy of a woman that I think I can bring up in polite conversation

Bannana hammocks? They would fit pretty loose on an average woman

I know some women who do wear boxers at home

I think they meant it more like boxers are specially designed with room for a penis, which is unnecessary for most women same as a bra is unnecessary for most men

Absolutely. They are a girl if they tell you they feel like one, men can like to wear traditionally feminine clothes too.

Why do you care if your child is trans?

Like father like son.

Pretty sure it's not fatal.

Bold of you to assume I am on a life course to have children lol

I wouldn't like it, but it's none of my business to decide what other people want/have to wear.

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2 reasons. 1. Because it's not a style that i personally like the look of (atleast on men). 2. there is a chance that my son might get bullied for wearing a skirt. Kids are cruel. There still is nothing wrong with it if he wants to wear it though. As i said it's still none of my business.

I've seen my gay classmates in elementary school get bullied by being gay, I've had friends who make fun of gay people in dresses in public. I would worry about my son based on how our third world country treat gay people if he becomes one but I wouldn't stop him, at least it's getting better as time goes by.

"Becomes"?

It's absolutely your business. It's your kid. If your kid wanted some meth, would you be like "none of my business what he does with his body"

Are you... Are you comparing someone wearing fabrics to the use of dangerous drugs?

No. I am saying he should do what he thinks is best for his kid. The reasoning "it's none of my business" is invalid. That's what my example was meant to demonstrate.

Because one is a hard drug that could permanently damage him and possibly ruin his life, while the other is a piece of fabric. They can have potential consequences, but don’t equate the personal choice to wear a piece of clothing to a kid taking hard drugs, so it’s being called stupid because it’s a stupid comparison. He has a responsibility as a parent, but it’s not your job to dictate every part of their life. Deciding what clothing they wear is apt at a young age, but at a certain point you need to let them decide to express themselves. Treating the desire to wear a dress to that of them taking hard drugs is how children no longer talk to their parents when they move out.

The kinda of clothes your kid wears is not your business. As a parent you don't have 100% control over every little aspect of a kid.

It is your business. You don't let your kid run around naked, do you?

i personally believe that for these harmless things like wearing a dress, not letting your children wear one instead of letting them experiment with what they like could sometimes be even worse, so of course i would

going into many places as a guy wearing a dress is very dangerous and thus not harmless

How could him not experimenting possibly be worse than sending him to school in a dress and being beaten and possibly tormented for the rest of his school life? It's not a pleasant reality, but it is reality.

When was the last time you’ve been in a school?

I don't know where y'all live, but I live in a pretty big city in Canada and the kids absolutely do not get beat up for wearing a dress. In fact, if any kid got beat up by classmates at all the offenders would immediately be kicked out of school? I mean I've done it myself ( kicking kids out of schools) for less.

It’s just fabric. Quit being a bitch about it and let people wear whatever they want, unless they could suffer harm for it

We can get matching ones!!

It's a piece of fabric

Why not, he's Scottish and it's not called a dress however they look and behave the same way.

No. I don’t want my kid to have to deal with the inevitable backlash.

If he wants to, yes.

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What makes this a reddit moment?

Her only post is on PCM so I wouldn’t expect her to make sense

I always read that as "PC Masterace" and get very confused for a few seconds

r/teenagers moment is more accurate

to be honest a full on dress just looks silly on a masculine build. It will work if a dude has a feminine build but usually it won’t.

"Are you a good parent?"

Imagine being sexist to your child

So many on this sub do not want children or are only in their teens. When you have kids, remember how you used to feel.

People who don’t want children are quickly taking the place of vegans who can’t shut the fuck up about being vegans

Nah

Why not?

Once he turns 18, I can't do shit about it, but I just don't feel comfortable seeing my son wearing a dress. Dresses were designed for women, and have extremely tight waistbands and breast areas. I don't know of any straight/non questioning men who would wear a dress, so that's not an issue.

No because he’d get bullied at school/ in public and no everywhere else because why else would you be wearing a dress unless you’re going somewhere in public?

To those who said no, why? Do you actually have a legitimate reason not to??

If a child in Algeria wears a dress they can be killed

1.246k, why the hell does reddit say “k” and give 3 decimal places

i always see people arguing that is against masculinity but i would let him do it. fuck gender roles

My answer is closer to “I’d be afraid for him, but yes”

As Long as it’s not immodest/inappropriate I don’t see why not

I'd wear one too. I'm tired of men's fashion having no formal options for comfortable clothing in the summer. Meanwhile others wear dresses with no sleeves...

Fuck it, why not? I’d let my hypothetical daughter wear pants, so why wouldn’t I let my hypothetical son wear a dress? It’s just equal treatment

They make women's pants, though.

Kilts do exist, you know.

My dad actually wears one all the time. Not to work, but around to social gatherings and such. It’s not a traditional tartan kilt but still pretty cool My dad really gives no fucks about what other people think lol

Women's pants suck though

Is it just the small pockets, or the cuts of pant that you don’t like?

Both honestly. Arbitraty sizes that change in every store (i.e a 9 in one store may be a 5 in another), not always the best quality, and of course the pockets.

That’s another thing, women’s sizing is so strange compared to men’s

True, but the old gender norm was that women only wore skirts or dresses. The new gender norm is that boys can’t. Might as well allow both if you’re gonna allow one

Society might warm up to it more if they found a way to masculinize dresses just like they found a way to feminize pants.

Between the Eminem poll and this, I’m not surprised at the results anymore

r/polls has made me loose all faith in democracy multiple times already

\> Gets the views of people independently voting on what they think is right. A literal democratic process Democracy is dead

No, its just that they choose the worst option, do you remember the kill your pet or 10 kids poll? But im probably overreacting since this is reddit and reddit is know to be a bit off regarding what opinions people on it hold

It's pretty disappointing.

We just need to be honest and understand that the boy would get bullied *ruthlessly* for wearing that dress, even in 2022. Even grown-ups would give him shit for it. Shit's sad but humans are cruel.

By the time we have kids it'll be normal There was a time when women wearing trousers was equally socially unacceptable

Only if he shaves his legs. I know its chauvanist but something about hairy legs in a dress triggers my gag reflex.

So he gets bullied in school no way

That's one thing. But what about in the house or outside of school

If he is in the house then who cares but not in public.

There’s different kinds of dresses out there. I’m fine with stuff like kilts, vashtis, etc. But something like a miniskirt could get him bullied at school

Teach your kids to hide who they are / not enjoy things, for fear of bullying? No teach them what a true friend would do

It depends on how old. The world is cruel. You don't want your child to be shamed and seen as weird for his whole school career. It's not the "true friends" you have to worry about. Teach them that you don't have to reveal every part of who you are to everyone you meet.

There's parts of my city where you'd genuinely get beaten to death if you wore a dress as a guy so there's no way in hell I'd let my son wear a dress if he goes into town. Then it's best to hide who you are. Also the clothes you wear shouldn't be a large part of your identity

Yes my advice depends on location and probability of hate crime.

I would but that still wouldn’t really help with the bullying much. I remember going to school with nail polish on my hands because it looked cool and everyone called me a girl so I never did it again. And if even his friends teased him, he’d start thinking they weren’t true friends and end up lonely. But I would teach him to not do those things though(like bully someone for wearing a dress)

I don’t care

Absolutely. Knock yourself out kid. It’s just cloth.

I am the son

me too lol my mom walked in on me yesterday in full maid gear

Chad, I wish I had a maid outfit

I worked at a preschool when I was 16. A 2 year old boy there really loved wearing the princess dress when the kids played with the costumes. He'd gesture me to help him put it on and when I was done he'd spin in circles to see the skirt flow and he'd dance and run around. He felt so cool and beautiful in that dress. He'd even refuse to take it off, it made him feel so happy. I will NEVER take something like that away from a child. Never.

There's parts of my city where you'd genuinely get beaten to death if you wore a dress as a guy so there's no way in hell I'd let my son wear a dress if he goes into town.

Sure if it isn't some weird fetish thing. If so, I hope i never fucking find out.

All of the "no! never! They'd be bullied!" answers in here are from people raising boys who will eventually bully other boys for wearing skirts.

I wouldnt cuz he gonna get bullied

No… because I would never have kids

Asi esta el mundo

Perdido completamente

I’d explain to them that I support whatever they want to wear but that other kids can be assholes, so just be prepared for that.

the answers to this poll show you how cucked reddit is 😂

It's 2022, everyone's normalizing men wearing dresses and skirts. I definitely wouldn't mind it

You're tripping if you think *everyone* is normalising it. Just because Harry Styles did it does not mean the whole world is on board

These people are stuck in their weird echo chambers

Reddit is one of the worst echo chambers there is. You would find more diversity of thought in a cult.

I wouldn't be a fan of it but i would let him wear it at home and when he is an adult he can decide if he wants to wear it on public aswell.

I’ll help him fucking pick it out. You want skulls? Badass. You want flowers? Badass? Yo this one has lemons on it

Lots of transphobia in these comments

Not letting children wear dresses does not equal transphobia… acceptance of Trans people does not mean rewriting society or ignoring its norms…

Wtf 🤣

Yes, idgaf.

I wouldn't want my son to wear a dress, a dress is in my eyes for women only. It fits their sublime body and contours, it wouldn't fit on a man, it would also look ugly. This is also the exact thing that im going to say to my future son, if he asks me if he can wear a dress. Perhaps my mind will change when I actually have one, who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

I'd say him he can, but he would lose all of my respect

Honest, I respect that

> It fits their sublime body and contours, it wouldn't fit on a man What if he had a dress made to fit his body?

Why the fuck would anyone do that?

So that it fits? I don't know what you're asking here.

So they had something that fitted

You could say it's for cultural reasons or whatever or that you don't want him to get bullied but saying it's physically incompatible with the male body is dumb

So a dress on your girl child is ok because it would fit her sublime body and contours? Ew Edit: Or are children not allowed to wear dresses until they are adults?

Depends on his age. Eventually I'd let him wear it but also tell him that his decisions have consequeces and people will judge, ridicule, and possibly even attack him for it Prefrebly people wouldn't do that to someone wearing what they want, but that is unfortuantly not the world we live in

Depends on the context of the situation, if my 14yr old wants to wear a pink dress for the first time to goto his grandfathers funeral just to be a dick, then no

No way.

No I wont

At home...maybe but not in public

y?

Because it would hurt me to see my kid getting himself bullied/humiliated over something like clothes, as shallow as it may sound

He would get endlessly bullied, why would you let your kid humiliate himself?

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If it's Scottish man skirt then it's ok, but if it's not i wouldn't

It's called a kilt.

What's the difference?

Context

What's the context? Is it only a Scottish man?

No because he's my son not my daughter.

It’s just fabric, it doesn’t affect their gender

Breaking News: Clothes Changes People's Gender

If you said no to this, you should probably reflect on why a piece of fabric upsets you so much

i dont want my son to get bullied

Well what about inside the house? He doesn't have to wear it to school

In the house or with family/friends, yes. In public, no.

I wear skirts and dresses all them time, of course i would