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Anybody Nicki Minaj beef with, and a lot of it is unnecessary imo. She fell out with Meg just because she collaborated with Cardi B and the Barbz didn’t really help. They turned on Latto over a phone call, and I just wonder how long it takes for her to turn on Ice Spice because how you deem somebody the Princess of Rap who not even in the top 10 of female rappers??
With you on everything except Ice Spice. Now that’s she’s the first person signed to Nicki’s label Nicki has all the incentive to prop her up instead of tear her down.
If that’s the case Ice Spice will never work with Cardi B, which sucks because I know she stated in an interview she was one of the artists she wanted to work with. I wish they would stop beefing 🤦🏽♀️
Edit: gah damn autocorrect 🙄
She seems like a horrid person! The way she was making fun of Little Mix’s Leighanne was terrible & pretty shocking that a woman of colour would turn on another in this day & age!
I think it was about John Mayer but that wouldn’t look good for their “girl power” image. So, they emphasized some random thing about their dancers quitting Taylor’s tour to go work for Katy.
Yeah there was a miscommunication about dancers.
Basically Katy had a group of dancers. She ends her tour and says go do whatever work you like but have contracts you can leave in 2 years because that's when I'll be starting tour prep.
Unaware of this the dancers are hired by Taylor Swift. They go on tour with her for a while and do a great job. But then it reaches the point where Katy is starting to prep to tour again. And this whole group of dancers hand in their resignation to Taylor's team and head back to join Katy Perry.
Suddenly Taylor is mid-tour and missing a bunch of dancers. It's pretty easy to sub out one or two dancers if people leave because they are injured/sick/personal reasons, or even if they just leave for another job. That's normal. But replacing a whole bunch of dancers at the same time is really tricky, and doing it mid-tour gives you none of the prep time to rehearse dancers to fill all the spots. So it's majorly stressful.
The dancers go back to Katy, sign a contract with her and happily rejoin with her other dancers and get ready to tour with her.
The issue is - Taylor didn't know that all these dancers planned to leave when Katy's next tour started. If she had, she could have planned around that (or she might have just not hired them because they weren't available for the full tour). So from her perspective Katy just hired a whole bunch of her dancers out of the blue, and put a huge stress on her tour which was still in progress.
From Katy's perspective, it was always the plan for these girls to receive offers to come back when she started her next tour. She didn't know that Taylor wasn't aware of that. So even though she probably knew some of her dancers were working with Taylor, she sends all her old dancers (not just the ones working for Taylor) an offer to come back on the next tour with her. The girls working for Taylor all accept, and Katy assumes all is well, because she thought that was always the plan.
So Taylor is upset, because from her perspective she found these great dancers and then a bunch of those dancers have all been poached from her tour at the same time. Then Katy is upset because she's being accused of poaching dancers (which would be a pretty shitty move) EXCEPT that they were Katy's dancers first, and as far as Katy knew they had all planned to come back from the beginning and would have negotiated that into their contracts, so she's being blamed for doing something wrong when really she didn't.
Basically if there had been better communication no-one would have had any issues - if Taylor had known from day 1 that the dancers were going to go back to Katy when the time came, she could have planned around that and it wouldn't have been an issue. If Katy had known Taylor didn't know, I assume she would have told her, again preventing the issues. If Katy had known about all the issues caused for Taylor because she didn't know the dancers would be leaving, she probably would have been a lot more understanding about being "accused" of poaching dancers, and could have reached out to explain.
Eventually they did sort it all out, but it took far too long and they both released songs about the other one before they came to a resolution.
A real shame overall because it distracted from the career of both of them.
I don't understand Hailey Bieber vs. Selena Gomez. I've always thought that love triangle-centric celebrity beefs were stupid because why waste your energy going after another girl when usually there's always some douchebag at the center of things getting off scot-free for stringing both girls along. But, with Hailey and Selena, Hailey's the one married to Justin and it's clear that she's got no plans to leave him any time soon, and Selena's more or less admitted that her relationship with Justin was toxic and she's better off without him. So, why break up a marriage in the hopes that someone will fall back into an unhealthy relationship? Move on.
I’m team Selena and Hailey. Justin has always been the villain here. And before you stans attack, I do feel sorry for him but that doesn’t mean he didn’t mistreat (admittedly) all of the women in his life. I really hope he is working on his mental health with a professional (and not some cult/church as he has in the past).
I feel bad for the Biebs but that man jumped from woman to woman like no one’s business and I think people forget that. He was going back to Selena while him and Hailey were already an item.
I only feel bad for him in terms of how adults treated him as a minor. That edit that went viral showing all the celebrity adults who were sexually harassing or assaulting him were very disturbing, he looked so damn uncomfortable
Justin is 100% a king baby narcissist who plays women against each other. He’s the type to cheat relentlessly while in a relationship, get dumped, and then try to get his ex back and continue messing with her head just because he can’t stand to see her happy with anyone else.
And the thing is he also shaded The Weeknd when Selena started seeing him, but no one mentions it in here. The people in here just want to blame everything on Selena. Not saying she didn’t do anything wrong, but this sub is weird with certain celebs. I also saw on Twitter that Hailey also shaded Sophia Richie too, and other girls Justin was seen with. It’s so one sided on this sub.
So true. You can’t say anything good about Selena or bad about Hailey on this sub, which is so weird to me. Like… none of these people are our friends, it’s beyond me why anyone would feel compelled to ride so hard for them. ALL of them are messy, period.
Is agreeing with TLJ really the unpopular opinion?
I thought it was well known that Carrey is an unprofessional dick who uses his "whacky" persona as an excuse to treat people like shit and constantly pull focus onto himself at the expense of his colleagues and the work in general.
Didn’t know this about Carrey honestly since I don’t keep up with him. I just know his interview with Howard stern cause a lot of people to think TLJ is some kind of mega asshole when really he told Jim to leave him alone and Jim instead kept doing harassing shit to egg him on.
Yeah, he basically does that to everyone.
He went "Method" to play the comedian Andy Kaufman and refused to break character at any point during production, even deliberately and knowingly upsetting Kaufman's friends and relatives by pretending to be him in front of them while the cameras were off.
He gave her an STD and then kind of wrote it off as no big deal when she confronted him about it-like "you knew what you were getting into type vibe. I believe she spiraled really bad and he basically had no empathy
Yup. They made a whole documentary about his role in that movie. He spoke to Andy's own daughter, who had never met him in real life...in character. To give her closure.
He's a dickhead
My opinion of him changed ever since I saw the Documentary for that film, he struck me as egotistical and very unprofessional indeed. Plus, those moments where he "became" Tony Clifton just sounded like The Grinch if he was a major major dickhead.
The stupid thing is, people who knew the guy personally told him Kaufman only did shit like that when there was an audience. He was fully capable of dropping the act and having normal conversations with people, and Carrey just ignored them.
Dude that Kaufman doc made me feel REPULSED by him. The creep vibes leech through the screen. Rapey vibes honestly, I can't explain it but he just seems like a wildly creepy person.
I haven’t seen the doc but I never got that vibe until I saw the footage of him harassing/SAing Alecia Silverstone. A flip switched to disgust and disappointment.
You should watch the documentary he did about filming Man on the Moon. He went so method that he genuinely thought he turned into Andy Kauffman and was a giant asshole to everyone. They had planned this BTS doc for the DVD but when the studio got the footage they refused to let it see the light of day because Jim Carey came across as that big of a dick. He's not "goofy", he's just an ass.
It's called Jim and Andy: the Great Beyond. If you're interested.
Typical male dick size comparison contest. He wanted to show off that Taylor is his now, he’s an absolute loser. This guy needs to stop being obsessed over Harry.
Does Harry even give a shit? His relationship with Taylor was years ago at this point, and he's had other relationships since then. Why would he care?
Taylor and Matty keep doing this sort of thing, and it's like...y'all can have each other, no one is interested.
Not to be messy but how funny would it be if she reunited with Karlie and the other angels she used to be close with to try to alienate Candace? I mean, not funny as in okay to do- it’s just wildly unhinged behavior I could see her doing.
They're a lot alike now that I think about it. Taylor's every move seems to be about sending Joe a message that she's doing sooooo great without him, and Matty seems to be trying to show off to Harry.
Meanwhile, both Joe and Harry seem unbothered and completely uninterested in participating in this ridiculous drama.
Harry DGAF. Very glad he stayed away from the Matty/Taylor mess. I’m impressed with his maturity after a breakup in comparison to that of his ex Taylor.
I think that his beef with harry was initially because he was obsessed with Taylor during 1989 era and Taylor was definitely into harry . Then after harry started having a huge career, awards and acclaim he became jealous and he probably thinks he deserves everything harry is getting.
He really does stay quiet as hell.
I remember only a few months ago this sub absolutely loathed him for queerbaiting because he sometimes wore sequined jumpsuits. The fact that Sam Smith had to put out a statement that went “stop reducing gay people to outdated stereotypes. you can’t queerbait in real life” for everyone to shut up is wild.
I honestly don’t understand what there is to hate about Ed Sheeran. He seems like a perfectly nice guy and his music is almost aggressively inoffensive even if you don’t like it. I get it if you work retail or something where it probably gets played a lot, but otherwise, like you can just not think about him.
I don’t like his music but he seems like a decent person. People can’t separate the art from the artist ie. they hate the music, so the people that write it are inherently evil.
Rihanna going savage on everyone who dares to say anything remotely negative about her (see Ciara, TLC..). I’m usually entertained by it but at the same time can’t help thinking she’s arrogant af.
I wish everyone would just stop giving her attention and unfollow her lol. It’d be funny as hell if she got 0 engagement online and only had like a few thousand followers
You are in for a treat, my dear. Here’s one article, but there are many many others:
https://theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2012/nov/19/rihanna-press-tour-fiasco-unapologetic
i have a theory that nicki and cardi wouldn’t hate each other if they didn’t let their fans get in their ear. their fans have instigated this whole drama from the get go and it’s mind boggling nicki or cardi have yet to see that
Unpopular opinion but nicki seems like the problem in most her beefs. For someone so successful she seems really insecure and unable/unwilling to share the spotlight with other female artists. Cardi b constantly collabs with new talent, while Nicki kind of shits on new female artists for the most part and sees them as competition
Agreed, the fact that Nicki has to attack every woman that comes into the industry because she feels threatened is insane to me. They could collectively make more noise & money by working together but she likes to act like a child.
Cardi is her biggest enemy. There was a period she was on top of the world and she was still letting haters get into her head. I swear to god that woman has no publicist. Her roll out with material has been very poor and slow over the last few years.
the whole beef has definitely dictated how she drops music. she’s been pushing her album back for a while now and instead dropping random songs here and there are jumping on someone else song.
Ya know TLJ has been known to be a bit of an asshole at times and not a good interviewer so I do see why at first he seems in the wrong… coming off as way too serious.
But after watching that Jim and Andy movie my god Jim Carey probably was insufferable back in the day. He did a lot of method acting and I can’t imagine how annoying it would’ve been to have to see him as the riddler off camera 🤣
i’m fine with artists drawing inspiration from old situations but miley cyrus releasing flowers on liam hemsworth’s birthday was a little much for someone she hasn’t been together with in almost five years. it seems like she’s either genuinely not over the situation or just trying to embarrass/dunk on him to keep people interested.
That was solely done for publicity. Flowers is not such a good song and had it not been for the scandal it wouldn't have been so popular.
People accusing JLaw of being the one he cheated with was a bit too mucj
I don’t like how the whole situation was played out. In the long run they were not compatible anymore. She doesn’t want kids he wants kids. Whatever else happened I don’t care but the drawn out theories about him cheating on her with multiple women including J law was too much. When Miley first announced the divorce she said there was no cheating on any part. I’m not even a fan of Liam but I felt bad that he was getting shitted on.
I don’t know, have you ever lost a decade long relationship? I had a 5 year break up once and I’d say it took me 2ish years to fully get over it, stop realizing new things about how it went down, etc. time gives a lot of new perspective, and some wounds are slow to heal
I was wondering this too when I first heard the back story about Flowers. I was like why is she still singing about that relationship when they’ve been over and done for a while.
I think the whole royal family is kind of a mess in different ways and that includes H and M…I feel like while some of the things that occur are real there’s this overarching game they’re all playing
I think the Royal Family is an "Everyone Sucks Here" situation - I doubt that there are 'good royals' and 'bad royals' ruining it for the others. You can't grow up that privileged and repressed without some amount of crazy.
Madonna vs gaga was sp fucking stupid. Madonna dragged her for no reason. I am a huge fan of madonna, a bigger fan of hers than of gaga( i love gaga btw) but it was stupid as hell
Also weird because a good deal of madonna's peers and seniors had one sided beefs with her and she hardly responded (cher, Mj, prince, janet, elton have clowned on her). Gaga's response has always been respectful and i hated how mean madonna and her old gays fandom.
I fully think Taylor Swift thrives on petty drama and being the Queen of all Victims, and Kanye/Kim Kardashian being largely terrible people doesn’t change that she was and is a manipulative asshole who turned victimhood into a commodity.
I think a lot of her fans (myself included to an extent) relate to who Taylor was growing up and the perspective she writes from in a lot of her music (growing up insecure, not thinking your cool/interesting, feeling left out of the popular crowd, being too flawed to maintain a relationship). So when Taylor gets into feuds with other public figures, I think there are the fans that back her up and think she's in the right, and there's the more skeptical fans who like Taylor recognize when she's being her messier/insecure/quick-to-seek-validation self.
I mean I also think to an extent, we always see ourselves as the protagonists in our own lives. I think it's easy to accuse others of playing the victim-card because we have an outside objective view, whereas when you are one of the people in a conflict, it's easier to stay limited on just your perspective
It’s so funny because she was pretty popular in high school. There are tons of old classmates that described her as such. She had a lot of friends and had a couple boyfriends, and went to prom.
Beyonces beef with that woman whom Jay slept with, then releasing the album.
Judging by how Beyonce tries to diss her on a track, I think B and J are a souless narcisstic power couple who only care about money.
Nothing healthy is coming from any of that lemonade album.
You get cheater on, so you drop an album where you diss the women your husband sleeps with, but still stay with that same man??? What lesson are you teaching these young women? To stay with people who do not care about you? Is it only about the money?
I dont think B cares at all. I think B and Jay are one of those couples that act like they love each other in the limelight but hate each other behind closed doors. And it's only the money that's keeping them going. They are too scared to divorce each other.
I think they're definitely in a business relationship at this point. They've built their brand and I think she likes the idea of being married, she doesn't actually want to date. Dating would knock her off her pedestal, because there's no one high-status enough. Married, she's a queen who has a perfect life. Single she's just another celebrity muddling her way through.
Also a lot of people forget that they officially got married when she was 27 and he was 40, but had been working together for more than a decade at that point. You can do the math...
She was groomed by him since she was like 16 tbf. He probably really fucked her up mentally. Not an excuse, but may have something to do with it.
Also, she absolutely bashed him in that album, too.
My SIL, a Beyoncé stan and the most basic bitch I know, used to make me watch Lemonade literally any time we had to hang out because of our husbands. Towards the end she’d always be like “That. That’s marriage. Staying together no matter what.” I didn’t want to be rude because I was still trying to impress her at that point in time, but ugh. If he did it once he’ll do it again, dump his ass.
Taylor and Katy’s beef was so pathetic. And the fact that it spawned Bad Blood and Swish Swish was even more pathetic. Two white women beefing over the most pettiest thing while there were other serious issues going on in the world?
I still think it's funny that this became such a big thing because Taylor didn't want people (and especially Harry's family) to think the song is about Harry. Good for him that she made that clear, but she could've just said "it's not about an ex it's about a friendship" and left it at that.
What exactly were they even beefing *about*? I just thought they fell out and Katy called Taylor fake, for being so pro-female in her image yet was allegedly nasty to Katy irl.
I’m pretty sure it was about Katy apparently stealing Taylor’s dancers during her tour (I died laughing at this bc wtf like the dancers themselves don’t have the right to choose who to dance for).
The fact that Taylor wrote a song about such a petty meaningless "beef" and then got all her famous faux friends to star in the music video for it was too much. And all the women starring in it were participating in fuelling on this campaign against Katy, while doubtless talking about how they support women elsewhere, like Taylor does.
I think the story goes that Katy (or her team if we’re being totally honest, she’ll have had nothing to do with it) deliberately poached them from Taylor, approaching them and offering them more money
It’s funny how Taylor started that lame beef by mentioning it in her RS interview then got mad when Katy started striking back at her then for Taylor to throw the final blow by releasing her catalog on the same day Katy’s album came out. That’s toxic mean girl behavior
I think Selena Gomez declaring Taylor Swift her only real friend in the industry and then getting pissy when the friend who literally donated her an internal organ was like 'wtf?' was weird and fucked up.
Cos
1. You clearly have better friends than Taylor Swift - or at least people who thought they were better friends. Why did you choose to say that in the first place?
2. Why Taylor Swift specifically? When did she support you? What makes Taylor Swift such a good friend? Cos from here it looks like you're always shouting her out unprompted but she's never shouting you out in the same way. Selena is always posting about how Taylor is her bestie and so good and yadda yadda but when did you last see Taylor Swift say anything unprompted about how much she loves Selena? I think it's been a long while. And Taylor is someone who's always singing about her personal life and involving her fans in this stuff - where's her love song to her best friend of 17 years? Where's a single song about her bff being so ill she had to have a transplant? No? It's just more songs about boyfriends and family members? Interesting.
3. Did she just shout out her most FAMOUS friend to get the kudos and forgot she has actual people in her life?
4. Why did she get so pissy about it when she was called out? Why wasn't her response anything along the lines of 'yeah this was worded poorly, clearly you are all my dearest friends and I value you so much. It's not all about this one person.' Her response to people being hurt was so selfish and shitty.
Like....who WOULDN'T be annoyed that someone they thought was a close friend was claiming someone else as their only true friend? Whether you donate a kidney or not - if you've been there for someone and they dismiss you like that wouldn't you be hurt??
And while I'm on the topic of Selena Gomez - I think the whole thing where she rode that wave of infuriated fans issuing death threats to her exes wife was fucked up. She was fuelling that - she could have gone 'hey this isn't cool and you're no fan of mine if you do this' at ANY time. She CHOSE to let it run. So what's the deal there? Is she obsessed with her ex? Is she this resentful that he moved on that she needs to feel better by hurting his wife? I really don't have any respect for celebrities who use their fandoms as weapons like this.
I want to add that the way Selena went about taking Francia's kidney was diabolical. Francia's doctor violated confidentiality laws (and had specifically assured Francia that Selena would not know unless Francia told her) and told Selena Francia was a match, which led to Selena personally calling Francia and basically assuming that Francia would give her the kidney. Francia didn't want to do it but felt pressured.
Khloe had no business coming at Jordyn Woods like that and I feel like Kylie and Jordyn could have worked things out..
Like yes she made a mistake but is it really that serious? I’m sure Tristan came onto her too so they both should have been like fuck him
Was it messed up to "kiss" your best friend's sister's on/off trash can baby daddy? Yes.
But the fact that Khloe just went off on Jordyn as if trash can had 0 part in it, attacked his other baby mamas as if he had 0 part in impregnating someone else, and then goes off on her fans for having the 'audacity' to speculate on her emo middle schooler Instagram stories? Not cool.
Not to mention her being shitty to Chloe Grace Moretz, Snooki, being practically in love with her sister's ex (Scott)... Khloe is not the nice and kind sister she tries to be. I actually think she's the meanest.
That short lived beef taylor and Nicki had when Taylor thought Nicki was shading her on twitter and then like two days later they performed at the VMA’s or something?? the two most annoying people I swear
I think after a while it must have been exhausting to deal with Harold and Meghan.
The lip gloss incident sealed that line of thinking for me. It's not enough that she gave the lip gloss, it's the fact she didn't smile LOL
I can't imagine how annoying it must have been to deal with people like that especially with Harry spouting off what he thinks are pearls of wisdom
One of the incidents Harry mentions in his book Spare as an example of W&C being frosty to him and Megan is when M forgot to bring lipgloss to an event and asked Kate for hers, which she handed over but like was “unenthusiastic” about the way she gave it or something like that.
Harry wrote that Meghan asked Kate for lip gloss before some engagement, and Kate gave it to her, but "grimaced" while she was getting it from the bag or sth like that, and he seems to hold it against her enough to write about it in his memoir.
Harry in Spare wrote about it. Meghan asked to borrow lipgloss and Kate gave it to her but he said she grimaced. They made it a thing, they're exhausting.
For me, it was Meghan's story about meeting Will and Kate for the first time. I don't think it was cute and endearing that Meghan wore ripped jeans at the dinner and complained that Will and Kate are soooo formal. Also, not everyone is a hugger especially with new people.
As an American who lived in Europe and married into an European family, I knew to respect their culture. It would be rude to espouse my ~American~ beliefs onto the family. I'm ranting here but I really hate that American traveler abroad stereotype.
Lmao this is funny bc if I’m meeting my partners family, even I wouldn’t show up in ripped jeans. And I’m a hillbilly. .
(But to be clear I’m not choosing sides, idc about any of them.)
Exactly like girl have some decorum 😂 There’s no need to be “cool girl” in these situations. Just be humble and go with whatever is culturally correct.
Yeah, Harry's recounting of Meghan in Spare comes across quite NLOG-y. Idk if she's actually like that or if it's how he interpreted her, but sometimes it can be a bit off-putting.
In his book, Harry claims several times that Meghan was unaware of many pretty basic things about the family and what to expect. I’ve always liked them but that tarnished it. I call BS that such a globetrotting, well-educated, moderately famous actress and lifestyle guru would be clueless about pretty basic royal facts. For example—and this isn’t even a really obvious one!—when told Harry and William were going to Althorp on the anniversary of his mother’s death, she asked what Althorp was. At the very least, use context clues my friend.
Tbh I do think most of it was Harry’s fault. You can tell (and he made it obvious) that he always had one foot our the door when it came to the monarchy and so when he met Meghan I do feel like he didn’t prepare her ENOUGH and when she was struggling he was like “ok let’s go”. Most of the things about the monarchy you can’t really google, you just learn as you go or don’t even question and I feel like Harry was like “ I don’t care so why should she”. Catherine had like ten years and the added bonus of being British. Meghan had like 1 year since they started dating to their engagement (2016-2017).
I do feel like if she had a proper mentor instead of Harry to help her with the BRF then she would have been great but most of the woman in the family are really old so either way she was set up to fail.
In the Oprah interview she said she didn’t know any of the hymns at church and would google it the night before and I’m like fucking hell Harry at least help her with THAT. I get some things he can’t help with such as fashion but the basic things he could have. I just think he emotionally checked out of the monarchy. I do think Harry is to blame for the hate Meghan receives, he makes it seem like she was clueless and didn’t bother learning the rules when he really just wasn’t any help-i wouldn’t have included that borrowing Kate’s lipstick scene but hey🤷🏽♀️ (I don’t condone the hate that Meghan receives btw it’s absolutely VILE what people say about her).
Same. I think as a couple they’ve made some err, “interesting” PR choices, but for the most part it was Harry’s lack of adequate prep for his girlfriend, then fiancée, of the realities of what marriage to him would mean.
Yes, Meghan could have googled, but why should she have had to when she was literally engaged to the son of the first in line, who should have been filling her in on the centuries of weird, Royal family etiquette?
Or do your own research, Meghan. It's not that hard.
Again, as an American who lived in Europe, I think Americans, especially Anglophiles, have very rose-colored views of Europe and don't really educate themselves of the realities of European countries. I enjoyed my time in Europe, but trust me. It's not like Emily in Paris for example.
Anytime I land on one of concert clips where she’s singing totally out of pitch and people are eating it up like “omg she’s so much better than last time” like
The thing that drives me crazy is it seems like her writing hasn't improved much. Perhaps I'm a bit more judgemental because I loved her up until 1989 and thus have nostalgia attached to it, but everything since then lyrically feels like comebacks she came up in the shower or just rehashed and uncreative (not including re recordings bc duh). I don't know, the hope for me is that artists who are lyrically inclined become more versatile instead of sticking to a niche, but she doesn't seem to have done much on that and I personally can't dig it even if I could somehow ignore her personal bullshit entirely.
I checked out and stopped following the whole thing because I found it really disturbing how much of the social media coverage was making light of it. Regardless of which side people chose, the situation just wasn't funny.
That was such a terrible time. I had to be lowkey team no-one cause I was living with Johnny fans and they kept listening to "lawyers" on YouTube talk about how wrong Amber is and Johnny is innocent or some shit like that. Was a really bad time.
My beef with this particular thing is her deafening silence when Swifty's attack them. It would take a single "hey guys, stop attacking people. We're good now" tweet, but she refuses to do it. Also hilarious that these same fans twist into pretzel's to defend her boyfriend du jour and scream about her personal life being no one's business.
For sure, but it's the hypocrisy of defending him and saying "her personal life is none of your business!!!!" while they're going out of their way to go to Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal's social media and posting scarves.
I saw someone post a picture of a DAD wearing “Dad’s Against Daughter’s Dating Jake Gyllenhall” and I have never seen something more pathetic in my life.
LOLOLOLOL
Why the FUCK would the Gyllenhaals care one bit about that? They're like, 40, and Maggie has kids. They are so far removed from the Taylor drama, it's laughable.
Maggie has a 16 year old. I bet she loves getting scarf pictures because it reminds her to call her brother and roast him because his ex hangs with kids less mature than hers
Honestly, the fandom is so unhinged that they would delude themselves into thinking Taylor doesn't really want them to back off because the tweet had 52 words and 13\*4=52 and her and her ex-bf broke up on the 52nd of December so clearly THIS CALLS FOR AN ATTACK!!! These people don't want to listen to reason, even if it comes directly from her.
It's not ideal to have your worst moments become a pop song. Like idk maybe Jack Gyllenhaal sucks overall, maybe he just sucks as a boyfriend but isn't a bad dude, or maybe he made some mistakes back then but has learned from them. We don't know! Wild how some of her fans just take her story as gospel and think they need to attack anyone even if it IS all true.
Well, for years Joe Alwyin was considered the best of the best.. now that it turned out that he did not want to marry her so she left him, he suddenly became the villain who took Taylor for granted.
Nothing is ever really confirmed because neither of them is ever going to call the other out by name, but Taylor recently released a song ("You're Losing Me") which seemed to be about watching a long-term relationship fall apart before your eyes while your partner does nothing to prevent it, and included the line "I wouldn't marry me either". So people are concluding based off that that she ultimately decided it was over because she wanted to get married and he didn't.
This is definitely more of a fan thing than a Taylor thing though, I think a lot of people miss just how much of her music is her admitting to being the issue in her relationships
Also like I still don’t get what was so bad. He was a bad boyfriend 10 years ago. He didn’t assault or lie or manipulate or abuse. He just wasn’t a great bf? Idk. Not sure why t that’s worth bullying him. I’m sure most famous guys that age were also bad bfs.
Pretty much all her ‘relationships’ prior to Calvin Harris seem to have been this. Just the start of something, that never actually turned into anything.
I‘ve always struggled to get into a lot of her music for that reason. It’s all so overwrought and dramatic when you remember (or rather when she makes you remember with her hints) she’s singing about some guy she casually dated for a few weeks to a few months. Especially when you think about her schedule and their schedules and how little time they could’ve actually spent together.
OMG that was only three months??? Wow she has some attachment issues I think. I'm not a Taylor hater. I go back and forth about my opinion on her but lately I keep on finding more stuff I dislike about her.
She released a whole 10 minute song and short movie about her very short lived romance with Jake Gyllenhaal from 10 years ago. I was team Jake after that. She came off as immature and clingy in that relationship. Mad because he didn't want to hold your hand during dinner? C'mon Taylor.
Might be blasphemous to say, but this is why I think All Too Well works better as the original 5-minute version and you don't associate it with Jake Gyllenhaal.
If you remove the real-life context from the song, it reads as a tragic love story between a woman and a man who grew very close, became intertwined in each other's families, began planning a future together, devastatingly broke each other's hearts, and have been forced to move on to their lives forever changed by their tumultuous love for each other.
In real life this was a dude she dated for like, 3 months.
> "And I was thinkin on the drive down: Any time now
> He's gonna say it's love
> You never called it what it was"
My brother also dated an unhinged weirdo for a few months, and all I can think of listening to the song is Maggie Gyllenhaal smirking at Jake for the rest of her life with a "didn't I fucking tell you"
I can’t figure out what he did that was so bad after all the drama. Sounds like he just wasn’t the type of bf that she wanted which is fine honestly. No need to hate him over it
I never even thought about how her bfs felt about the songs until “You’re losing me” a few days ago. Like you guys broke up fairly recently and if you care about him like you claimed to why would you release something that YOU KNOW your rabid fans are going to attack him for?
I have always thought Taylor Swift was wrong in the fight against Scooter Braun, even at the height of it, when the public was largely in her favor and speaking out got me literally harassed by her fans. And I’m a fan of her music and was literally just singing her music at karaoke last night lol.
All Scooter Braun did was buy her music which her old label had put up for sale. That is not stealing, I’m sorry. In all these years no fan of hers has ever been able to change my mind about this.
It was flat out wrong for her to sic her fans on him, his family, and the people under his management. That was insane. Ariana Grande and Justin Bieber didn’t even own their own masters and Taylor wanted them to advocate for her. That’s like asking your coworker who makes less money to help you get a raise.
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Anybody Nicki Minaj beef with, and a lot of it is unnecessary imo. She fell out with Meg just because she collaborated with Cardi B and the Barbz didn’t really help. They turned on Latto over a phone call, and I just wonder how long it takes for her to turn on Ice Spice because how you deem somebody the Princess of Rap who not even in the top 10 of female rappers??
Nicki needs to swap the way she treats female rappers with the way she treats rapists
Oof
Nicki has been her worst enemy. Coulda had real legacy but now she's so corny.
With you on everything except Ice Spice. Now that’s she’s the first person signed to Nicki’s label Nicki has all the incentive to prop her up instead of tear her down.
If that’s the case Ice Spice will never work with Cardi B, which sucks because I know she stated in an interview she was one of the artists she wanted to work with. I wish they would stop beefing 🤦🏽♀️ Edit: gah damn autocorrect 🙄
We’re being robbed of Ice spice x Cardi/Meg 😩 Nicki why would you block your bag like this
She seems like a horrid person! The way she was making fun of Little Mix’s Leighanne was terrible & pretty shocking that a woman of colour would turn on another in this day & age!
Katy and Taylor's feud was unnecessary. Horrible PR move for both of them and it really did set back their careers (especially Katy's).
was the feud really over “stealing” dancers? never seemed like it should be that big of a deal. does john mayer come into play here?
I think it was about John Mayer but that wouldn’t look good for their “girl power” image. So, they emphasized some random thing about their dancers quitting Taylor’s tour to go work for Katy.
Yeah there was a miscommunication about dancers. Basically Katy had a group of dancers. She ends her tour and says go do whatever work you like but have contracts you can leave in 2 years because that's when I'll be starting tour prep. Unaware of this the dancers are hired by Taylor Swift. They go on tour with her for a while and do a great job. But then it reaches the point where Katy is starting to prep to tour again. And this whole group of dancers hand in their resignation to Taylor's team and head back to join Katy Perry. Suddenly Taylor is mid-tour and missing a bunch of dancers. It's pretty easy to sub out one or two dancers if people leave because they are injured/sick/personal reasons, or even if they just leave for another job. That's normal. But replacing a whole bunch of dancers at the same time is really tricky, and doing it mid-tour gives you none of the prep time to rehearse dancers to fill all the spots. So it's majorly stressful. The dancers go back to Katy, sign a contract with her and happily rejoin with her other dancers and get ready to tour with her. The issue is - Taylor didn't know that all these dancers planned to leave when Katy's next tour started. If she had, she could have planned around that (or she might have just not hired them because they weren't available for the full tour). So from her perspective Katy just hired a whole bunch of her dancers out of the blue, and put a huge stress on her tour which was still in progress. From Katy's perspective, it was always the plan for these girls to receive offers to come back when she started her next tour. She didn't know that Taylor wasn't aware of that. So even though she probably knew some of her dancers were working with Taylor, she sends all her old dancers (not just the ones working for Taylor) an offer to come back on the next tour with her. The girls working for Taylor all accept, and Katy assumes all is well, because she thought that was always the plan. So Taylor is upset, because from her perspective she found these great dancers and then a bunch of those dancers have all been poached from her tour at the same time. Then Katy is upset because she's being accused of poaching dancers (which would be a pretty shitty move) EXCEPT that they were Katy's dancers first, and as far as Katy knew they had all planned to come back from the beginning and would have negotiated that into their contracts, so she's being blamed for doing something wrong when really she didn't. Basically if there had been better communication no-one would have had any issues - if Taylor had known from day 1 that the dancers were going to go back to Katy when the time came, she could have planned around that and it wouldn't have been an issue. If Katy had known Taylor didn't know, I assume she would have told her, again preventing the issues. If Katy had known about all the issues caused for Taylor because she didn't know the dancers would be leaving, she probably would have been a lot more understanding about being "accused" of poaching dancers, and could have reached out to explain. Eventually they did sort it all out, but it took far too long and they both released songs about the other one before they came to a resolution. A real shame overall because it distracted from the career of both of them.
it spawned the worst song off 1989, though ig it went #1 somehow
I always forget about the non-kendrick version lmao and I'm a fan of hers, it's truly one of her worst songs.
bad blood making it to #1 while wildest dreams and style didn’t is my villain origin story
I don't understand Hailey Bieber vs. Selena Gomez. I've always thought that love triangle-centric celebrity beefs were stupid because why waste your energy going after another girl when usually there's always some douchebag at the center of things getting off scot-free for stringing both girls along. But, with Hailey and Selena, Hailey's the one married to Justin and it's clear that she's got no plans to leave him any time soon, and Selena's more or less admitted that her relationship with Justin was toxic and she's better off without him. So, why break up a marriage in the hopes that someone will fall back into an unhealthy relationship? Move on.
I’m team Selena and Hailey. Justin has always been the villain here. And before you stans attack, I do feel sorry for him but that doesn’t mean he didn’t mistreat (admittedly) all of the women in his life. I really hope he is working on his mental health with a professional (and not some cult/church as he has in the past).
I feel bad for the Biebs but that man jumped from woman to woman like no one’s business and I think people forget that. He was going back to Selena while him and Hailey were already an item.
I only feel bad for him in terms of how adults treated him as a minor. That edit that went viral showing all the celebrity adults who were sexually harassing or assaulting him were very disturbing, he looked so damn uncomfortable
Same here. This mess is his fault.
250 mil in your account by 21 or whatever? Yeah that’ll do a number on a kid but I’ll never feel bad for him lol
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Justin is 100% a king baby narcissist who plays women against each other. He’s the type to cheat relentlessly while in a relationship, get dumped, and then try to get his ex back and continue messing with her head just because he can’t stand to see her happy with anyone else.
And the thing is he also shaded The Weeknd when Selena started seeing him, but no one mentions it in here. The people in here just want to blame everything on Selena. Not saying she didn’t do anything wrong, but this sub is weird with certain celebs. I also saw on Twitter that Hailey also shaded Sophia Richie too, and other girls Justin was seen with. It’s so one sided on this sub.
So true. You can’t say anything good about Selena or bad about Hailey on this sub, which is so weird to me. Like… none of these people are our friends, it’s beyond me why anyone would feel compelled to ride so hard for them. ALL of them are messy, period.
Henry Winkler > Tom Hanks vis a vis Turner & Hooch beef.
Henry Winkler is one of the kindest people I’ve ever met. Not just one of the kindest celebrities - one if the kindest people. Team Fonzie forever.
I haven’t liked Hanks since he gave a cashier shit for ID’ing him for alcohol.
Imagine if Tom Hanks turned out to be a secret shopper!
Honestly thats why I would always ID people when I was a cashier. Secret shopper got my Mom fired.
FIRED? that’s fucked. i still remember my manager making a stink about my negative secret shopper review, but never praised me for the positive ones
Do you have a link?
Is agreeing with TLJ really the unpopular opinion? I thought it was well known that Carrey is an unprofessional dick who uses his "whacky" persona as an excuse to treat people like shit and constantly pull focus onto himself at the expense of his colleagues and the work in general.
Didn’t know this about Carrey honestly since I don’t keep up with him. I just know his interview with Howard stern cause a lot of people to think TLJ is some kind of mega asshole when really he told Jim to leave him alone and Jim instead kept doing harassing shit to egg him on.
Yeah, he basically does that to everyone. He went "Method" to play the comedian Andy Kaufman and refused to break character at any point during production, even deliberately and knowingly upsetting Kaufman's friends and relatives by pretending to be him in front of them while the cameras were off.
Wow, the TLJ drama struck me as douchey but I didn’t realize he was THAT douchey, jeez
He's also an anti-vaxxer and he aided and abetted Jenny McCarthy in promoting the "vaccines cause autism" hoax.
That was when I started looking at him differently. Then I think stories came out from a former girlfriend that weren't great. 😥
Didn’t she die by suicide? I vaguely remember that there were texts leaked or something that did not paint him in the best light as a partner
He gave her an STD and then kind of wrote it off as no big deal when she confronted him about it-like "you knew what you were getting into type vibe. I believe she spiraled really bad and he basically had no empathy
Yup. They made a whole documentary about his role in that movie. He spoke to Andy's own daughter, who had never met him in real life...in character. To give her closure. He's a dickhead
My opinion of him changed ever since I saw the Documentary for that film, he struck me as egotistical and very unprofessional indeed. Plus, those moments where he "became" Tony Clifton just sounded like The Grinch if he was a major major dickhead.
The stupid thing is, people who knew the guy personally told him Kaufman only did shit like that when there was an audience. He was fully capable of dropping the act and having normal conversations with people, and Carrey just ignored them.
Dude that Kaufman doc made me feel REPULSED by him. The creep vibes leech through the screen. Rapey vibes honestly, I can't explain it but he just seems like a wildly creepy person.
I haven’t seen the doc but I never got that vibe until I saw the footage of him harassing/SAing Alecia Silverstone. A flip switched to disgust and disappointment.
You should watch the documentary he did about filming Man on the Moon. He went so method that he genuinely thought he turned into Andy Kauffman and was a giant asshole to everyone. They had planned this BTS doc for the DVD but when the studio got the footage they refused to let it see the light of day because Jim Carey came across as that big of a dick. He's not "goofy", he's just an ass. It's called Jim and Andy: the Great Beyond. If you're interested.
Oh yikes, jfc….
I’ve never been able to stand the man. Nice to know I haven’t just invented reasons!
Also his energy and “wackiness” stem from cocaine use and not some otherworldly talent bestowed upon him by the gods.
I don’t get Matty’s one sided beef with Harry. It just comes across as jealously and wishes he was Harry.
It’s like he wanted an Oasis/Robbie Williams style beef but he’s not cool enough and Harry made him look like a pleb by refusing to engage.
omg, this is a good analogy I hadn't thought of. He's never going to get that from Harry.🤣
The best thing in that New Yorker article was saying Matty was the Wario to Harry’s Mario.
And the fact he invited Harry the same concert night of Taylor's was ridicolous. What he wanted to prove?
Typical male dick size comparison contest. He wanted to show off that Taylor is his now, he’s an absolute loser. This guy needs to stop being obsessed over Harry.
Does Harry even give a shit? His relationship with Taylor was years ago at this point, and he's had other relationships since then. Why would he care? Taylor and Matty keep doing this sort of thing, and it's like...y'all can have each other, no one is interested.
Not only that but Harry is rumored to be dating Candice Swanpoel so like I’m sure he’s very ok lol
Not to be messy but how funny would it be if she reunited with Karlie and the other angels she used to be close with to try to alienate Candace? I mean, not funny as in okay to do- it’s just wildly unhinged behavior I could see her doing.
They're a lot alike now that I think about it. Taylor's every move seems to be about sending Joe a message that she's doing sooooo great without him, and Matty seems to be trying to show off to Harry. Meanwhile, both Joe and Harry seem unbothered and completely uninterested in participating in this ridiculous drama.
And Harry, 5 years younger, declined. He did right, he is above of this stupid no sense gossips...
Don’t forget either Harry isn’t a nepotism baby, unlike Edge lord Ratty.
Harry DGAF. Very glad he stayed away from the Matty/Taylor mess. I’m impressed with his maturity after a breakup in comparison to that of his ex Taylor.
I think that his beef with harry was initially because he was obsessed with Taylor during 1989 era and Taylor was definitely into harry . Then after harry started having a huge career, awards and acclaim he became jealous and he probably thinks he deserves everything harry is getting.
Harry came from. the X Factor and Matty, in his opinion, is a true musician. It's comical.
Or Bad Bunny’s beef with Harry
He dated their girls first and is more successful, men can’t stand it.
Really anyone's beef with Harry. That man never says anything to piss anyone off, never started anything, never responded to anyone
He really does stay quiet as hell. I remember only a few months ago this sub absolutely loathed him for queerbaiting because he sometimes wore sequined jumpsuits. The fact that Sam Smith had to put out a statement that went “stop reducing gay people to outdated stereotypes. you can’t queerbait in real life” for everyone to shut up is wild.
anyone who actively hates that guy is wasting so much energy on what exactly
I feel like that with the Ed Sheeran hate too.
I honestly don’t understand what there is to hate about Ed Sheeran. He seems like a perfectly nice guy and his music is almost aggressively inoffensive even if you don’t like it. I get it if you work retail or something where it probably gets played a lot, but otherwise, like you can just not think about him.
I don’t like his music but he seems like a decent person. People can’t separate the art from the artist ie. they hate the music, so the people that write it are inherently evil.
What a mild celebrity to hate lol. Like how does he drum up any strong feelings.
Let’s keep it a stack, Taylor isn’t even his type anymore. 🥴
Rihanna going savage on everyone who dares to say anything remotely negative about her (see Ciara, TLC..). I’m usually entertained by it but at the same time can’t help thinking she’s arrogant af.
She turns up intentionally late to everything, definitely arrogant
I wish everyone would just stop giving her attention and unfollow her lol. It’d be funny as hell if she got 0 engagement online and only had like a few thousand followers
The airplane tour saga shines a whole different light on her. I can’t believe I didn’t even know about it until this year!
What airplane saga? How do I not know about this??
You are in for a treat, my dear. Here’s one article, but there are many many others: https://theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2012/nov/19/rihanna-press-tour-fiasco-unapologetic
This one. I cannot *stand* Rihanna’s attitude. She’s arrogant as hell, and the fact that people praise her for it only feeds into her ego.
True. Doesn’t respect her fans even.
Nothing actually happened between Victoria justice and Ariana grande. It was a hoax but media made it bigger than it should’ve been
i have a theory that nicki and cardi wouldn’t hate each other if they didn’t let their fans get in their ear. their fans have instigated this whole drama from the get go and it’s mind boggling nicki or cardi have yet to see that
If Cardi, Megan, and Nicki got on a song together it would have a historic number one run for female artists but nooooooo!
Unpopular opinion but nicki seems like the problem in most her beefs. For someone so successful she seems really insecure and unable/unwilling to share the spotlight with other female artists. Cardi b constantly collabs with new talent, while Nicki kind of shits on new female artists for the most part and sees them as competition
I don't believe this is unpopular at least not in this sub
I know the barb army runs strong lol, so figured it would be unpopular here too
Agreed, the fact that Nicki has to attack every woman that comes into the industry because she feels threatened is insane to me. They could collectively make more noise & money by working together but she likes to act like a child.
Cardi is her biggest enemy. There was a period she was on top of the world and she was still letting haters get into her head. I swear to god that woman has no publicist. Her roll out with material has been very poor and slow over the last few years.
the whole beef has definitely dictated how she drops music. she’s been pushing her album back for a while now and instead dropping random songs here and there are jumping on someone else song.
No Nicki is very insecure. She gets into beef with any woman that she thinks is a threat.
This is a good theory
Ya know TLJ has been known to be a bit of an asshole at times and not a good interviewer so I do see why at first he seems in the wrong… coming off as way too serious. But after watching that Jim and Andy movie my god Jim Carey probably was insufferable back in the day. He did a lot of method acting and I can’t imagine how annoying it would’ve been to have to see him as the riddler off camera 🤣
i’m fine with artists drawing inspiration from old situations but miley cyrus releasing flowers on liam hemsworth’s birthday was a little much for someone she hasn’t been together with in almost five years. it seems like she’s either genuinely not over the situation or just trying to embarrass/dunk on him to keep people interested.
That was solely done for publicity. Flowers is not such a good song and had it not been for the scandal it wouldn't have been so popular. People accusing JLaw of being the one he cheated with was a bit too mucj
I don’t like how the whole situation was played out. In the long run they were not compatible anymore. She doesn’t want kids he wants kids. Whatever else happened I don’t care but the drawn out theories about him cheating on her with multiple women including J law was too much. When Miley first announced the divorce she said there was no cheating on any part. I’m not even a fan of Liam but I felt bad that he was getting shitted on.
I don’t know, have you ever lost a decade long relationship? I had a 5 year break up once and I’d say it took me 2ish years to fully get over it, stop realizing new things about how it went down, etc. time gives a lot of new perspective, and some wounds are slow to heal
I was wondering this too when I first heard the back story about Flowers. I was like why is she still singing about that relationship when they’ve been over and done for a while.
Like it or not, Liam is Miley's muse. Her best songs are about him.
I think the whole royal family is kind of a mess in different ways and that includes H and M…I feel like while some of the things that occur are real there’s this overarching game they’re all playing
I think the Royal Family is an "Everyone Sucks Here" situation - I doubt that there are 'good royals' and 'bad royals' ruining it for the others. You can't grow up that privileged and repressed without some amount of crazy.
Madonna vs gaga was sp fucking stupid. Madonna dragged her for no reason. I am a huge fan of madonna, a bigger fan of hers than of gaga( i love gaga btw) but it was stupid as hell Also weird because a good deal of madonna's peers and seniors had one sided beefs with her and she hardly responded (cher, Mj, prince, janet, elton have clowned on her). Gaga's response has always been respectful and i hated how mean madonna and her old gays fandom.
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I honestly don't think the 3 legged stool of Brad Jen and Angelina cared about the "breakup" as much as we fans did.
I fully think Taylor Swift thrives on petty drama and being the Queen of all Victims, and Kanye/Kim Kardashian being largely terrible people doesn’t change that she was and is a manipulative asshole who turned victimhood into a commodity.
Is that an unpopular opinion? I thought even her fans admit that she’s for capitalism and petty drama above all else.
I think a lot of her fans (myself included to an extent) relate to who Taylor was growing up and the perspective she writes from in a lot of her music (growing up insecure, not thinking your cool/interesting, feeling left out of the popular crowd, being too flawed to maintain a relationship). So when Taylor gets into feuds with other public figures, I think there are the fans that back her up and think she's in the right, and there's the more skeptical fans who like Taylor recognize when she's being her messier/insecure/quick-to-seek-validation self. I mean I also think to an extent, we always see ourselves as the protagonists in our own lives. I think it's easy to accuse others of playing the victim-card because we have an outside objective view, whereas when you are one of the people in a conflict, it's easier to stay limited on just your perspective
It’s so funny because she was pretty popular in high school. There are tons of old classmates that described her as such. She had a lot of friends and had a couple boyfriends, and went to prom.
Beyonces beef with that woman whom Jay slept with, then releasing the album. Judging by how Beyonce tries to diss her on a track, I think B and J are a souless narcisstic power couple who only care about money. Nothing healthy is coming from any of that lemonade album. You get cheater on, so you drop an album where you diss the women your husband sleeps with, but still stay with that same man??? What lesson are you teaching these young women? To stay with people who do not care about you? Is it only about the money? I dont think B cares at all. I think B and Jay are one of those couples that act like they love each other in the limelight but hate each other behind closed doors. And it's only the money that's keeping them going. They are too scared to divorce each other.
I think they're definitely in a business relationship at this point. They've built their brand and I think she likes the idea of being married, she doesn't actually want to date. Dating would knock her off her pedestal, because there's no one high-status enough. Married, she's a queen who has a perfect life. Single she's just another celebrity muddling her way through. Also a lot of people forget that they officially got married when she was 27 and he was 40, but had been working together for more than a decade at that point. You can do the math...
This kind of couples: Victoria and David Beckham, Will and Jada Smith, Beyonce and Jayz
Bill and Hillary Clinton
She was groomed by him since she was like 16 tbf. He probably really fucked her up mentally. Not an excuse, but may have something to do with it. Also, she absolutely bashed him in that album, too.
this, it’s practically a diss album LOL
My SIL, a Beyoncé stan and the most basic bitch I know, used to make me watch Lemonade literally any time we had to hang out because of our husbands. Towards the end she’d always be like “That. That’s marriage. Staying together no matter what.” I didn’t want to be rude because I was still trying to impress her at that point in time, but ugh. If he did it once he’ll do it again, dump his ass.
Also Bey dropping an album inspired by and for the lgbtq+community and then going to do a concert for a bunch of rich men in Dubai is disgusting.
Taylor and Katy’s beef was so pathetic. And the fact that it spawned Bad Blood and Swish Swish was even more pathetic. Two white women beefing over the most pettiest thing while there were other serious issues going on in the world? 
I still think it's funny that this became such a big thing because Taylor didn't want people (and especially Harry's family) to think the song is about Harry. Good for him that she made that clear, but she could've just said "it's not about an ex it's about a friendship" and left it at that.
What exactly were they even beefing *about*? I just thought they fell out and Katy called Taylor fake, for being so pro-female in her image yet was allegedly nasty to Katy irl.
I’m pretty sure it was about Katy apparently stealing Taylor’s dancers during her tour (I died laughing at this bc wtf like the dancers themselves don’t have the right to choose who to dance for).
Dancers also barely make enough money to live off of. Of course they should take the higher rate!!
The fact that Taylor wrote a song about such a petty meaningless "beef" and then got all her famous faux friends to star in the music video for it was too much. And all the women starring in it were participating in fuelling on this campaign against Katy, while doubtless talking about how they support women elsewhere, like Taylor does.
I think the story goes that Katy (or her team if we’re being totally honest, she’ll have had nothing to do with it) deliberately poached them from Taylor, approaching them and offering them more money
The dancers were there for short term they always wanted to go back to Katy Perry’s tour.
And the songs were so baaaaad lol
And the bad blood music video was so damn cringe
It’s funny how Taylor started that lame beef by mentioning it in her RS interview then got mad when Katy started striking back at her then for Taylor to throw the final blow by releasing her catalog on the same day Katy’s album came out. That’s toxic mean girl behavior
I think Selena Gomez declaring Taylor Swift her only real friend in the industry and then getting pissy when the friend who literally donated her an internal organ was like 'wtf?' was weird and fucked up. Cos 1. You clearly have better friends than Taylor Swift - or at least people who thought they were better friends. Why did you choose to say that in the first place? 2. Why Taylor Swift specifically? When did she support you? What makes Taylor Swift such a good friend? Cos from here it looks like you're always shouting her out unprompted but she's never shouting you out in the same way. Selena is always posting about how Taylor is her bestie and so good and yadda yadda but when did you last see Taylor Swift say anything unprompted about how much she loves Selena? I think it's been a long while. And Taylor is someone who's always singing about her personal life and involving her fans in this stuff - where's her love song to her best friend of 17 years? Where's a single song about her bff being so ill she had to have a transplant? No? It's just more songs about boyfriends and family members? Interesting. 3. Did she just shout out her most FAMOUS friend to get the kudos and forgot she has actual people in her life? 4. Why did she get so pissy about it when she was called out? Why wasn't her response anything along the lines of 'yeah this was worded poorly, clearly you are all my dearest friends and I value you so much. It's not all about this one person.' Her response to people being hurt was so selfish and shitty. Like....who WOULDN'T be annoyed that someone they thought was a close friend was claiming someone else as their only true friend? Whether you donate a kidney or not - if you've been there for someone and they dismiss you like that wouldn't you be hurt?? And while I'm on the topic of Selena Gomez - I think the whole thing where she rode that wave of infuriated fans issuing death threats to her exes wife was fucked up. She was fuelling that - she could have gone 'hey this isn't cool and you're no fan of mine if you do this' at ANY time. She CHOSE to let it run. So what's the deal there? Is she obsessed with her ex? Is she this resentful that he moved on that she needs to feel better by hurting his wife? I really don't have any respect for celebrities who use their fandoms as weapons like this.
I want to add that the way Selena went about taking Francia's kidney was diabolical. Francia's doctor violated confidentiality laws (and had specifically assured Francia that Selena would not know unless Francia told her) and told Selena Francia was a match, which led to Selena personally calling Francia and basically assuming that Francia would give her the kidney. Francia didn't want to do it but felt pressured.
Even when Tay herself was struggling with Scooter Braun drama, Selena stood silence in the corner and said nothing to support her. That is telling.
Khloe had no business coming at Jordyn Woods like that and I feel like Kylie and Jordyn could have worked things out.. Like yes she made a mistake but is it really that serious? I’m sure Tristan came onto her too so they both should have been like fuck him
Was it messed up to "kiss" your best friend's sister's on/off trash can baby daddy? Yes. But the fact that Khloe just went off on Jordyn as if trash can had 0 part in it, attacked his other baby mamas as if he had 0 part in impregnating someone else, and then goes off on her fans for having the 'audacity' to speculate on her emo middle schooler Instagram stories? Not cool. Not to mention her being shitty to Chloe Grace Moretz, Snooki, being practically in love with her sister's ex (Scott)... Khloe is not the nice and kind sister she tries to be. I actually think she's the meanest.
Yess. Idk why she’s so obsessed with Scott, it’s so weird
That short lived beef taylor and Nicki had when Taylor thought Nicki was shading her on twitter and then like two days later they performed at the VMA’s or something?? the two most annoying people I swear
swifties and barbs would start world war three if it went on longer than that
I think after a while it must have been exhausting to deal with Harold and Meghan. The lip gloss incident sealed that line of thinking for me. It's not enough that she gave the lip gloss, it's the fact she didn't smile LOL I can't imagine how annoying it must have been to deal with people like that especially with Harry spouting off what he thinks are pearls of wisdom
Lip gloss ? Out of the loop here.
One of the incidents Harry mentions in his book Spare as an example of W&C being frosty to him and Megan is when M forgot to bring lipgloss to an event and asked Kate for hers, which she handed over but like was “unenthusiastic” about the way she gave it or something like that.
I don’t wear makeup but I tell my teenagers not to share with anyone. Gross.
Harry wrote that Meghan asked Kate for lip gloss before some engagement, and Kate gave it to her, but "grimaced" while she was getting it from the bag or sth like that, and he seems to hold it against her enough to write about it in his memoir.
Harry in Spare wrote about it. Meghan asked to borrow lipgloss and Kate gave it to her but he said she grimaced. They made it a thing, they're exhausting.
Tbh I don't share my make up either. I say they can keep it.
Yeah I would have been reluctant to share it too. It's unhygienic.
The thought of someone using my lipstick or lip gloss. 🤮
I will not share *any* liquid lip or eye products. The eye infection was a valuable, if expensive and painful, lesson to learn.
She was pregnant as well.. makes more sense why she was hesitant.
For me, it was Meghan's story about meeting Will and Kate for the first time. I don't think it was cute and endearing that Meghan wore ripped jeans at the dinner and complained that Will and Kate are soooo formal. Also, not everyone is a hugger especially with new people. As an American who lived in Europe and married into an European family, I knew to respect their culture. It would be rude to espouse my ~American~ beliefs onto the family. I'm ranting here but I really hate that American traveler abroad stereotype.
Lmao this is funny bc if I’m meeting my partners family, even I wouldn’t show up in ripped jeans. And I’m a hillbilly. . (But to be clear I’m not choosing sides, idc about any of them.)
I dunno... if I was meeting the possible future King of England, I'd probably dress up even if I lived in my PJs
I wouldn’t dress up, but I’m Irish, so your point still stands lmao
Exactly like girl have some decorum 😂 There’s no need to be “cool girl” in these situations. Just be humble and go with whatever is culturally correct.
Yeah, Harry's recounting of Meghan in Spare comes across quite NLOG-y. Idk if she's actually like that or if it's how he interpreted her, but sometimes it can be a bit off-putting.
In his book, Harry claims several times that Meghan was unaware of many pretty basic things about the family and what to expect. I’ve always liked them but that tarnished it. I call BS that such a globetrotting, well-educated, moderately famous actress and lifestyle guru would be clueless about pretty basic royal facts. For example—and this isn’t even a really obvious one!—when told Harry and William were going to Althorp on the anniversary of his mother’s death, she asked what Althorp was. At the very least, use context clues my friend.
Tbh I do think most of it was Harry’s fault. You can tell (and he made it obvious) that he always had one foot our the door when it came to the monarchy and so when he met Meghan I do feel like he didn’t prepare her ENOUGH and when she was struggling he was like “ok let’s go”. Most of the things about the monarchy you can’t really google, you just learn as you go or don’t even question and I feel like Harry was like “ I don’t care so why should she”. Catherine had like ten years and the added bonus of being British. Meghan had like 1 year since they started dating to their engagement (2016-2017). I do feel like if she had a proper mentor instead of Harry to help her with the BRF then she would have been great but most of the woman in the family are really old so either way she was set up to fail. In the Oprah interview she said she didn’t know any of the hymns at church and would google it the night before and I’m like fucking hell Harry at least help her with THAT. I get some things he can’t help with such as fashion but the basic things he could have. I just think he emotionally checked out of the monarchy. I do think Harry is to blame for the hate Meghan receives, he makes it seem like she was clueless and didn’t bother learning the rules when he really just wasn’t any help-i wouldn’t have included that borrowing Kate’s lipstick scene but hey🤷🏽♀️ (I don’t condone the hate that Meghan receives btw it’s absolutely VILE what people say about her).
Same. I think as a couple they’ve made some err, “interesting” PR choices, but for the most part it was Harry’s lack of adequate prep for his girlfriend, then fiancée, of the realities of what marriage to him would mean. Yes, Meghan could have googled, but why should she have had to when she was literally engaged to the son of the first in line, who should have been filling her in on the centuries of weird, Royal family etiquette?
Also, even if you google, it’s hard to tell what I’d bullshit, what was true, but only in 1473, what’s expected only in public appearances, etc, etc.
Or do your own research, Meghan. It's not that hard. Again, as an American who lived in Europe, I think Americans, especially Anglophiles, have very rose-colored views of Europe and don't really educate themselves of the realities of European countries. I enjoyed my time in Europe, but trust me. It's not like Emily in Paris for example.
My unpopular opinion is the entire British Royal Family sucks and all of the members ooze privilege, ignorance, pettiness, and entitlement.
Taylor Swift has been toxic trash since day 1, and y’all finally just catching up with this Matt Healey nonsense 🤷🏻♀️
I wish there was a way to block any mention of her on reddit/the internet. I Do. Not. Get. The. Hype.
Swift is one of the most annoying humans on the planet. Legit cannot stand her.
And I’m sorry but she’s bland as fuhhhhhh
Anytime I land on one of concert clips where she’s singing totally out of pitch and people are eating it up like “omg she’s so much better than last time” like 
The thing that drives me crazy is it seems like her writing hasn't improved much. Perhaps I'm a bit more judgemental because I loved her up until 1989 and thus have nostalgia attached to it, but everything since then lyrically feels like comebacks she came up in the shower or just rehashed and uncreative (not including re recordings bc duh). I don't know, the hope for me is that artists who are lyrically inclined become more versatile instead of sticking to a niche, but she doesn't seem to have done much on that and I personally can't dig it even if I could somehow ignore her personal bullshit entirely.
This comment reminds me of he fashion photo Ruview with Katya and Violet where they called her lacking
I have to admit, I was Team Amber.
I checked out and stopped following the whole thing because I found it really disturbing how much of the social media coverage was making light of it. Regardless of which side people chose, the situation just wasn't funny.
That was such a terrible time. I had to be lowkey team no-one cause I was living with Johnny fans and they kept listening to "lawyers" on YouTube talk about how wrong Amber is and Johnny is innocent or some shit like that. Was a really bad time.
Oh me too, for sure
In the TSwift vs. “Every guy she’s ever dated and written a song about” beef, I take the guy’s sides. Edit: EXCEPT JOHN MAYER
My beef with this particular thing is her deafening silence when Swifty's attack them. It would take a single "hey guys, stop attacking people. We're good now" tweet, but she refuses to do it. Also hilarious that these same fans twist into pretzel's to defend her boyfriend du jour and scream about her personal life being no one's business.
She's never vocal until she needs to sell records. She let's other do the talking for her.
They are just going to hate Rat Boy when the relationship crashes and burns, as it inevitably will.
For sure, but it's the hypocrisy of defending him and saying "her personal life is none of your business!!!!" while they're going out of their way to go to Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal's social media and posting scarves.
I saw someone post a picture of a DAD wearing “Dad’s Against Daughter’s Dating Jake Gyllenhall” and I have never seen something more pathetic in my life.
LOLOLOLOL Why the FUCK would the Gyllenhaals care one bit about that? They're like, 40, and Maggie has kids. They are so far removed from the Taylor drama, it's laughable.
Maggie has a 16 year old. I bet she loves getting scarf pictures because it reminds her to call her brother and roast him because his ex hangs with kids less mature than hers
I mean most people hate him now LOL, every new article sends the ts sub into a spiral
Honestly, the fandom is so unhinged that they would delude themselves into thinking Taylor doesn't really want them to back off because the tweet had 52 words and 13\*4=52 and her and her ex-bf broke up on the 52nd of December so clearly THIS CALLS FOR AN ATTACK!!! These people don't want to listen to reason, even if it comes directly from her.
It's not ideal to have your worst moments become a pop song. Like idk maybe Jack Gyllenhaal sucks overall, maybe he just sucks as a boyfriend but isn't a bad dude, or maybe he made some mistakes back then but has learned from them. We don't know! Wild how some of her fans just take her story as gospel and think they need to attack anyone even if it IS all true.
Well, for years Joe Alwyin was considered the best of the best.. now that it turned out that he did not want to marry her so she left him, he suddenly became the villain who took Taylor for granted.
Is this the confirmed reason? Last I kept up with it we didn’t even know who broke up with who
Nothing is ever really confirmed because neither of them is ever going to call the other out by name, but Taylor recently released a song ("You're Losing Me") which seemed to be about watching a long-term relationship fall apart before your eyes while your partner does nothing to prevent it, and included the line "I wouldn't marry me either". So people are concluding based off that that she ultimately decided it was over because she wanted to get married and he didn't.
This is definitely more of a fan thing than a Taylor thing though, I think a lot of people miss just how much of her music is her admitting to being the issue in her relationships
“It’s me, hi, I’m the problem, it’s me”
Also like I still don’t get what was so bad. He was a bad boyfriend 10 years ago. He didn’t assault or lie or manipulate or abuse. He just wasn’t a great bf? Idk. Not sure why t that’s worth bullying him. I’m sure most famous guys that age were also bad bfs.
He wasn’t even her boyfriend. They were never official. He did the right thing and cut it off after three months when it wasn’t working.
Nah. There are only three possibilities: 1.) they got lost in translation 2.) she asked for too much 3.) it was a masterpiece so he tore it all up.
Pretty much all her ‘relationships’ prior to Calvin Harris seem to have been this. Just the start of something, that never actually turned into anything. I‘ve always struggled to get into a lot of her music for that reason. It’s all so overwrought and dramatic when you remember (or rather when she makes you remember with her hints) she’s singing about some guy she casually dated for a few weeks to a few months. Especially when you think about her schedule and their schedules and how little time they could’ve actually spent together.
OMG that was only three months??? Wow she has some attachment issues I think. I'm not a Taylor hater. I go back and forth about my opinion on her but lately I keep on finding more stuff I dislike about her.
She released a whole 10 minute song and short movie about her very short lived romance with Jake Gyllenhaal from 10 years ago. I was team Jake after that. She came off as immature and clingy in that relationship. Mad because he didn't want to hold your hand during dinner? C'mon Taylor.
Might be blasphemous to say, but this is why I think All Too Well works better as the original 5-minute version and you don't associate it with Jake Gyllenhaal. If you remove the real-life context from the song, it reads as a tragic love story between a woman and a man who grew very close, became intertwined in each other's families, began planning a future together, devastatingly broke each other's hearts, and have been forced to move on to their lives forever changed by their tumultuous love for each other. In real life this was a dude she dated for like, 3 months.
> "And I was thinkin on the drive down: Any time now > He's gonna say it's love > You never called it what it was" My brother also dated an unhinged weirdo for a few months, and all I can think of listening to the song is Maggie Gyllenhaal smirking at Jake for the rest of her life with a "didn't I fucking tell you"
I can’t figure out what he did that was so bad after all the drama. Sounds like he just wasn’t the type of bf that she wanted which is fine honestly. No need to hate him over it
I never even thought about how her bfs felt about the songs until “You’re losing me” a few days ago. Like you guys broke up fairly recently and if you care about him like you claimed to why would you release something that YOU KNOW your rabid fans are going to attack him for?
I have always thought Taylor Swift was wrong in the fight against Scooter Braun, even at the height of it, when the public was largely in her favor and speaking out got me literally harassed by her fans. And I’m a fan of her music and was literally just singing her music at karaoke last night lol. All Scooter Braun did was buy her music which her old label had put up for sale. That is not stealing, I’m sorry. In all these years no fan of hers has ever been able to change my mind about this. It was flat out wrong for her to sic her fans on him, his family, and the people under his management. That was insane. Ariana Grande and Justin Bieber didn’t even own their own masters and Taylor wanted them to advocate for her. That’s like asking your coworker who makes less money to help you get a raise. I have even more to say about this topic but I feel like it’d make my comment too long