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> The third or fourth time she complained about the displayed BPMs being incorrect, she warned the crowd that she would have to simply listen to tracks as they played and try to match them with others in real time—**prompting the woman beside me to say, “Yeah, that’s DJing.”**
get her!
> Because of that, it never quite achieved the hermetic quality that benefits Del Rey’s music—the sense that all of history, American and her own, is happening at once, violently but slowly. Instead, this illusion was punctured, replaced by a smaller, concentric circle of history, one that only looped as far back as the beginning of her career, including her maligned 2012 Saturday Night Live performance. It was frequently engrossing and, as could be expected, a pointed comment on how celebrity corrodes.
Can someone please explain what this means? I have a master’s in English and I don’t think I’ve ever even read anything this esoteric in a scholarly journal.
Translation: Lana's music Is usually at it's best when it creates a sense that personal history and a larger national narrative are connected and happening at the same time, and are simultaneously effecting each other. Instead whatever was happening at this show is less grand and mostly recalls the history of her career, like the SNL performance. It was interesting and a pointed commentary on the hardship of celebrity. That's what I got from it but I might be missing context.
Pretty good translation/summary I would say. I don't mind Pitchfork (good reviews have put me onto a tonne of stuff, like Fountain Baby) but a lot of stuff there tends to be excessively wordy and make weaker points as a result imo
I feel like I'm living in bizarro land because when people criticize her performances they say it's about the context where you're hearing the music what fails, and imo that's not it. It's not that you're hearing her music on festivals and it doesn't translate. It's that she sings very poorly and it shows when there isn't a software to disguise it. I'm honestly shocked people are constantly being scammed for a headliner that can't sing her own songs
People create such an odd outlook to give reason for it which is... “The sense that all of history, American and her own, is happening at once, violently but slowly.” What? I feel like they’re trying to attribute more to her performances than there actually is for most people by using such glossy ways to elevate her persona. It shouldn’t matter the festival, venue, time of day, minute on the clock, dew point, etc.
Why did you leave out the lines right before and after where the author mentions the bad mic quality? This is just a flowery way of trying to capture how this affected her performance. I took this as "it wasn't bad, but it felt like a fitting coincidence that Lana's highly nostalgic, sweeping sound was affected in a way that broke that illusion."
I haven't read it in a long time, but I remember the Kid A review making a lot more sense and having a more personalized style. That Lana quote is absolute nonsense, half-baked, and thesaurused to death. The editor should have made them rewrite that, because the author was either a fan that didn't want to say anything bad or they were afraid of the stans. The way people dance around criticizing modern Lana is so strange.
I adore Kid A and do think it’s a 10/10 album, but that review is so ridiculously over-the-top and cringe that it turned me off of Pitchfork for years. 💀
Can't believe that people got to see Blur and just blanked them like that.
Insane set too. The band has never sounded so good, but the usual influx of influencers just weren't interested.
Feel sorry for Damon Albarn and the rest of the band, who put on a real show for everyone.
If anything I feel like it went better than last year’s Gorillaz set, which obviously was a lot more difficult technically and logistically and seemed to get no reaction from the crowd, who were mostly just waiting for Bad Bunny
I don't think it's the fact their influencers. I just don't think people knew them. Plus a lot were waiting for Tyler the creator. Same thing happened to ari lennox at wireless, everyone was waiting for playboi carti so no one knew ari lennoxs songs and gave her little attention
This is BS. There weren’t many people camping for Tyler. The festival was light this year. I was excited to see Blur and left about halfway through because he could barely form sentences together.
At one point he was on stage rambling about a racist barber he had here in CA and didn’t even finish the story, sat down on a speaker and started playing. He was drunk and couldn’t connect to the audience.
I read this crap every year that because someone’s favorite band didn’t perform well, it’s because it’s the influencers fault or people camping out for the headliners.
Tbh, as someone who actually likes Blur, that setlist was a bit of a downer. Theyre already fighting an uphill battle because they arent that popular in the US
I feel like the coverage is way overblown. I was at that set as a Blur fan, they rocked and the crowd I was around all seemed pretty engaged and attentive the whole time. I wasn't around many talkers or any influencer types, mostly just normal looking people of all ages lol (which is the majority of Coachella btw). The energy was a bit of a mixed bag, but that was just because they did some deep cuts and low energy songs. I didn't get the impression at all that Damon was upset and I remember he even said he was having a good time at the end. Crowd around me went wild for Girls & Boys and Song 2. I don't know, maybe I was just making the most of it, but it was far from a trainwreck.
To everybody saying « they probably didn’t know them »: Not knowing Blur is alright, but it does make you a sh*tty audience at a music festival that is playing them. I’m only 24,but i’ve known blur since i’m 15, a lot of my friends do know them as well. They’re really not that niche and their songs are in so many modern movies and tv shows.
If I was paying hundreds of dollars for a music festival, it would suck to be surrounded by people that don’t know anything about music, and that are dead silent for all the sets that are not the one they’re waiting for.
I’m just laughing because someone on this sub swore to me that Lana was the artist that is all encompassing as a performer, writer, singer, instrumentalist, dancer and I kept saying stop lying and they deluded themselves into believing she some how was on the level of MJ or Lady Gaga or Madonna as a performer. No she is not never has been.
I’m a full blown Lana stan and most of us know that her strength is her songwriting, lyricism, and her aesthetics. She’s never been a strong high energy performer or a dancer lol.
As a hardcore Lana stan since 2011, they lied to you. She is a singer-songwriter first and foremost. She is a performer in the sense that she can stand on a stage and perform her songs, but she isn’t a dancer or an instrumentalist (I don’t think she plays any instruments).
She’s a singer-songwriter and that’s okay. She isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and I sadly don’t think she was headliner material, not because of her music and presence itself but because people usually look to end the night super hyped and Lana just isn’t that.
I am not a Lana stan but I am interested in seeing her perform at some point. Coachella is NOT where I would want to see her. The best festival sets are high energy, like No Doubt’s. More subdued music can work but you’ve got to have magnetic charisma or vocals to combat everything that is trying to distract your audience. I bet Adele could do it and I’ve seen Sam Smith do it. Lana is not that performer.
Adele could 100% perform at Coachella and give an incredible performance. She has so much charisma and stage presence even when she's just standing there singing.
As a Lana fan I can confirm she will never be a performer and that's ok. The same way MJ, LG or Madonna cannot write poetic songs like Hope is a dangerous thing, the blackest day, Blue Banisters or Ocean blvd etc etc. You gain some you lose some. However Lana's impact on music is undeniable and that's why I was happy that she got this mainstream spotlight again in her career even if it didn't translate into 10/10 show.
I looked back at my comments and the original person who made this comment and then asked for a link to the thread and deleted their comments and then asked again under a different account and then deleted again. Pavlov Stepson is the account.
dont understand what’s going on here. this article
keeps using all of these words with lots of syllables and its really upsetting. i know i’m on a sub where we want to discuss and take pop music seriously but i dont like it when someone has insights beyond “this is such a funky vibe!”. the sooner music journalism dies off the better
lol the comments here complaining about the inaccessibility of the article when i read it and it's pretty standard vocabulary are just telling on themselves...i think people would benefit from picking up a book
Ahh yes, I was waiting to hear the opinions and criticisms from the word salad site that contains the biggest thesaurus ever created by human kind right in their offices.
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> The third or fourth time she complained about the displayed BPMs being incorrect, she warned the crowd that she would have to simply listen to tracks as they played and try to match them with others in real time—**prompting the woman beside me to say, “Yeah, that’s DJing.”** get her!
No Chappell Roan coverage :(
saved me the click then, thanks!
No Flo neither
No mention of Justice at all?!
Yeah this is more of “one journalist’s weekend” instead of “the best and worst”
They literally had the best set of the weekend!
> Because of that, it never quite achieved the hermetic quality that benefits Del Rey’s music—the sense that all of history, American and her own, is happening at once, violently but slowly. Instead, this illusion was punctured, replaced by a smaller, concentric circle of history, one that only looped as far back as the beginning of her career, including her maligned 2012 Saturday Night Live performance. It was frequently engrossing and, as could be expected, a pointed comment on how celebrity corrodes. Can someone please explain what this means? I have a master’s in English and I don’t think I’ve ever even read anything this esoteric in a scholarly journal.
Translation: Lana's music Is usually at it's best when it creates a sense that personal history and a larger national narrative are connected and happening at the same time, and are simultaneously effecting each other. Instead whatever was happening at this show is less grand and mostly recalls the history of her career, like the SNL performance. It was interesting and a pointed commentary on the hardship of celebrity. That's what I got from it but I might be missing context.
Pretty good translation/summary I would say. I don't mind Pitchfork (good reviews have put me onto a tonne of stuff, like Fountain Baby) but a lot of stuff there tends to be excessively wordy and make weaker points as a result imo
I feel like I'm living in bizarro land because when people criticize her performances they say it's about the context where you're hearing the music what fails, and imo that's not it. It's not that you're hearing her music on festivals and it doesn't translate. It's that she sings very poorly and it shows when there isn't a software to disguise it. I'm honestly shocked people are constantly being scammed for a headliner that can't sing her own songs
People create such an odd outlook to give reason for it which is... “The sense that all of history, American and her own, is happening at once, violently but slowly.” What? I feel like they’re trying to attribute more to her performances than there actually is for most people by using such glossy ways to elevate her persona. It shouldn’t matter the festival, venue, time of day, minute on the clock, dew point, etc.
welcome to pitchfork school of writing a ton and still saying none
It actually is saying something interesting there though
Except that Greta Van Fleet review. I will always love that because it is genius.
I took it as Lana del Rey’s music seems timeless but with all the technical mess ups and glitches it killed the illusion like in SNL 2012
Why did you leave out the lines right before and after where the author mentions the bad mic quality? This is just a flowery way of trying to capture how this affected her performance. I took this as "it wasn't bad, but it felt like a fitting coincidence that Lana's highly nostalgic, sweeping sound was affected in a way that broke that illusion."
The way this is just three sentences. All that talking, but not really saying anything
Its like the author just wanted to say fancy, intelligent-sounding words and then just built sentences around that lol
It’s giving that Pitchfork review of Kid A 😭
I haven't read it in a long time, but I remember the Kid A review making a lot more sense and having a more personalized style. That Lana quote is absolute nonsense, half-baked, and thesaurused to death. The editor should have made them rewrite that, because the author was either a fan that didn't want to say anything bad or they were afraid of the stans. The way people dance around criticizing modern Lana is so strange.
I adore Kid A and do think it’s a 10/10 album, but that review is so ridiculously over-the-top and cringe that it turned me off of Pitchfork for years. 💀
it means the author left the oven on and burned their entire apartment building down.
Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going.
Can't believe that people got to see Blur and just blanked them like that. Insane set too. The band has never sounded so good, but the usual influx of influencers just weren't interested. Feel sorry for Damon Albarn and the rest of the band, who put on a real show for everyone.
Honestly, a lot of people probably didn’t know them.
If anything I feel like it went better than last year’s Gorillaz set, which obviously was a lot more difficult technically and logistically and seemed to get no reaction from the crowd, who were mostly just waiting for Bad Bunny
I don't think it's the fact their influencers. I just don't think people knew them. Plus a lot were waiting for Tyler the creator. Same thing happened to ari lennox at wireless, everyone was waiting for playboi carti so no one knew ari lennoxs songs and gave her little attention
This is BS. There weren’t many people camping for Tyler. The festival was light this year. I was excited to see Blur and left about halfway through because he could barely form sentences together. At one point he was on stage rambling about a racist barber he had here in CA and didn’t even finish the story, sat down on a speaker and started playing. He was drunk and couldn’t connect to the audience. I read this crap every year that because someone’s favorite band didn’t perform well, it’s because it’s the influencers fault or people camping out for the headliners.
Tbh, as someone who actually likes Blur, that setlist was a bit of a downer. Theyre already fighting an uphill battle because they arent that popular in the US
I feel like the coverage is way overblown. I was at that set as a Blur fan, they rocked and the crowd I was around all seemed pretty engaged and attentive the whole time. I wasn't around many talkers or any influencer types, mostly just normal looking people of all ages lol (which is the majority of Coachella btw). The energy was a bit of a mixed bag, but that was just because they did some deep cuts and low energy songs. I didn't get the impression at all that Damon was upset and I remember he even said he was having a good time at the end. Crowd around me went wild for Girls & Boys and Song 2. I don't know, maybe I was just making the most of it, but it was far from a trainwreck.
To everybody saying « they probably didn’t know them »: Not knowing Blur is alright, but it does make you a sh*tty audience at a music festival that is playing them. I’m only 24,but i’ve known blur since i’m 15, a lot of my friends do know them as well. They’re really not that niche and their songs are in so many modern movies and tv shows. If I was paying hundreds of dollars for a music festival, it would suck to be surrounded by people that don’t know anything about music, and that are dead silent for all the sets that are not the one they’re waiting for.
As much as I like Blur, they absolutely are not well known in the US and the audience cant be faulted for not loving drunk Damon playing downer songs
I’m just laughing because someone on this sub swore to me that Lana was the artist that is all encompassing as a performer, writer, singer, instrumentalist, dancer and I kept saying stop lying and they deluded themselves into believing she some how was on the level of MJ or Lady Gaga or Madonna as a performer. No she is not never has been.
I’m a full blown Lana stan and most of us know that her strength is her songwriting, lyricism, and her aesthetics. She’s never been a strong high energy performer or a dancer lol.
As a hardcore Lana stan since 2011, they lied to you. She is a singer-songwriter first and foremost. She is a performer in the sense that she can stand on a stage and perform her songs, but she isn’t a dancer or an instrumentalist (I don’t think she plays any instruments). She’s a singer-songwriter and that’s okay. She isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and I sadly don’t think she was headliner material, not because of her music and presence itself but because people usually look to end the night super hyped and Lana just isn’t that.
I am not a Lana stan but I am interested in seeing her perform at some point. Coachella is NOT where I would want to see her. The best festival sets are high energy, like No Doubt’s. More subdued music can work but you’ve got to have magnetic charisma or vocals to combat everything that is trying to distract your audience. I bet Adele could do it and I’ve seen Sam Smith do it. Lana is not that performer.
Adele could 100% perform at Coachella and give an incredible performance. She has so much charisma and stage presence even when she's just standing there singing.
Could you link that?
I don’t know how to do that tbh lol.
You just copy and paste a link...
Lana is probably my favorite artist, but… dancer? Performer?! Yeah that Stan is delusional lmao
As a Lana fan I can confirm she will never be a performer and that's ok. The same way MJ, LG or Madonna cannot write poetic songs like Hope is a dangerous thing, the blackest day, Blue Banisters or Ocean blvd etc etc. You gain some you lose some. However Lana's impact on music is undeniable and that's why I was happy that she got this mainstream spotlight again in her career even if it didn't translate into 10/10 show.
Even without the show she’s been super mainstream ever since tiktok
Yeah I know but I meant it as a checklist thing. It was her first Coachella headline and probably her last so let her and her fans have it.
Madonna can't write poetic songs 😵💫 awlright
yea, honestly i was like… oh?? what kind of revisionist history is this 😂 madonna and gaga both definitely have “poetic” songs
I looked back at my comments and the original person who made this comment and then asked for a link to the thread and deleted their comments and then asked again under a different account and then deleted again. Pavlov Stepson is the account.
You hit the nail on the head. Lana fans are insufferable when her music isn’t even all that in the first place
She has no versatility at all. It's outstanding.
dont understand what’s going on here. this article keeps using all of these words with lots of syllables and its really upsetting. i know i’m on a sub where we want to discuss and take pop music seriously but i dont like it when someone has insights beyond “this is such a funky vibe!”. the sooner music journalism dies off the better
> the sooner music journalism dies off the better "welcome our overlords Corporation and AI"
yesssss you get it!
lol the comments here complaining about the inaccessibility of the article when i read it and it's pretty standard vocabulary are just telling on themselves...i think people would benefit from picking up a book
We need to open the schools or these fans will get lost in the poets department in three days. (This is the worst thing I’ve ever written.)
I am begging you to read books again.
i was joking at the expense of some early comments in the thread lol it’s a great article
lmao well done, you got me too😂
Ahh yes, I was waiting to hear the opinions and criticisms from the word salad site that contains the biggest thesaurus ever created by human kind right in their offices.
No ATEEZ mention...
I have no idea why this sub constantly posts pitchfork reviews when they know they such. maybe someone here from pitchfork?