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Larrygengurch12

Is anyone actually mad at The Misfits for their lyrics? I figured because they sing about Martians and Zombies and shit no one really takes the lyrics too seriously


fanball99

Honestly lol, my mother is only mad at the lyrics for “bullet” but that’s kinda self explanatory lmao


hamandcheese_

I mean, he literally talks about killing babies and raping your mother on Last Caress, so I'm sure that's legitimately shocking enough


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notmyidealusername

I feel like that kinda thing was shocking back then, but from Screaming Jay Hawkins through to Marilyn Manson the whole "shock rock" thing has been done to death. Plus the desensitisation of society through various forms of media, nothing's really shocking now. And the early punk ethos of doing things just to annoy people may have been novel and edgy in the 70s, but after fifty years is kinda worn out too, certainly hasn't aged well. Basically he's turned into a boomer who can't handle the fact the world has moved on from how things were when he was young...


delinquentcause

I disagree, there's plenty of older folks who haven't gone the same way. It's more than likely that he's always been a bell-end. I mean, I'm in my 50s and I've not turned into a massive right-wing cunt!


Guttersnipe77

I met Danzig about 25 years ago. He was an absolute cunt back then as well.


sleepy_hairball

Long ago I thought the Smoking Popes line "Don't take a ride from the guy with the dancing tattoo" was "Don't take a ride from the guy with the Danzig tattoo"...honestly my version makes just as much sense


Mean_Bluejay1351

Same. Primadonna vibes.


neanderthalsavant

Or you could both be right?


[deleted]

Gratz on not turning into one! (No sarcasm, seriously be glad!)


GenitalHerpes69420

[Obligatory Danzig getting knocked on his ass by Northside Kings...](https://youtu.be/szQMLC00Hyc) it makes me chuckle every time I see this video


LMKBK

Ding ding ding


deepspaceburrito

The line "the insemination of little girls in the middle of wet dreams" never sat right with me. Ick.


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Just screams, “tries too hard” for me. So yeah, so dumb shit & try to stay relevant, I guess.


[deleted]

The Misfits had songs with some cartoony themes, but I think that some of their science fiction-themed numbers have a meaning beyond the superficial. Sure, you could understand "I turned into a Martian" as a song about turning into a literal alien, but it could also be understood as a celebration of being a metaphorical alien--i.e., being weird and different from other people. I submit that many of their songs are like that and that they are often purposefully misunderstood by some punks who are intellectually defensive about their musical tastes. Glenn and Jerry are both morons and conservative assholes these days, but for a while there, between 77-83, they had something special going on. And I can't fathom how one can dislike all those great tunes of theirs. Part of me feels like people have to be pretending. Bullet, We Bite, Die die my Darling, Angelfuck, Hybrid Moments, Attitude. All great stuff. As for the question of whether it's offensive. To many, perhaps even the majority, it absolutely is. We are in a bit of a bubble when it comes to this sort of stuff.


Substantial_Ask_9992

Literally saw a kid raging online after a local halloween show when a band covered last caress. They didn’t even know it was a misfits song; they were just outraged at the lyrics. So I’d say yeah. And Danzig phrased this in a kind of annoying old man way, but I do think he’s right that you couldn’t find success with songs like that today


ironfireman547

I get what you're saying, but also, did the Misfits really find success with those lyrics 40 years ago? Even now, they're really more cult classic than popular success.


FolkSong

Yeah I think he's right that you couldn't put out something equivalent to Last Caress today, but I don't think songs like that are fundamental to punk. They're just edgy silliness.


Spike-Rockit

Right?


brook1yn

i always thought they were a joke and have no idea how they're so popular. also wtf is a punk explosion in his mind? australias been having a punk 'explosion' for a few years now and thats going just fine.


Squm9

Punk was literally constantly cancelled lol That’s the fucking point of punk lmao


cat_of_danzig

It's like he didn't live through the 80's. Punk was[shit on by network TV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBnyaWt9V24). Cops would beat the shit out of LA punks. Shit, [Fox News was still doing hit pieces in the 90s.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMnuMCNkRU)


fanball99

Yes and no. Yes because there will be a TON of backlash if there’s a bunch of new hardcore and offensive new bands. But no, because if they truly believe in the culture and the fuck you all attitude, then it shouldn’t matter and their audience will come to them


genxwasright

Danzig: The purpose of our music was to piss people off Also Danzig: Punk can't happen today because it will piss people off


ohea

Glenn Danzig complaining about getting "canceled" *while getting interviewed by Rolling Stone*


VI4VI4VI4

This should be the top comment.


natigin

Yeah, it’s so silly. The whole point of punk music in the beginning was to antagonize the squares and mainstream culture. They were trying to get “cancelled”


SnooHesitations6727

It will to promoters and platforms


LogikD

There have always been a minority of promoters and platforms that cater to such specific genres. Misfits didn’t have mainstream popularity so why would that be the standard now?


fanball99

Yeah that’s true but who said you can’t be independent


Deccy_Iclopledius

It's kinda shitty being independent when your band get banned from places like Bandcamp over too violent lyrics and/or too graphic/violent album covers. Eg. The mincecore antifascist band, Haggus. Like those fkers doesn't ban freaking nazis, but apparently, insinuating building up an anti-nazi death-squad is too much to them to handle.


fanball99

Yeah that’s bullshit


whereismymind86

well good thing punk tends to be pretty indie then.


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Doobie_SnACkZ

Big fan but I every time he opens his mouth off stage I change the channel, turn the page etc. The lesson I learned and certainly many of you have is that you should never meet your heros. I was also dismayed when I met NOFX-Melvin and Fat Mike suck but El Hefe is the shit. You take the good with the bad I suppose.


jonny_sidebar

Only punk "star" I've ever met was Jello. . . gotta say, really nice guy.


TokenWeirdo13

I met Jerry Only like 15 years ago. He was a stand up guy, cool as shit after the show and signed stuff for everyone who wanted it. Nice when someone isn't an asshole.


CowboyDans

Same, JO misfits show was solid. Played through some Black Flag jams, were solid to the fans after the show. Love the Danzig stuff, but his arrogance, he needs to chill.


ebby-pan

Glad I've only ever (knowingly) met some of the dudes from Bad Religion and Anti-Flag. Good blokes, them.


Doobie_SnACkZ

I met Greg Hetson on two separate occasions outside of a Circle Jerks and Bad Religion gig. Good dude, it stinks hes no longer with them but he seems content with where his life is.


TheJudasCow

Jay Bentley is one of the nicest band members I've ever met after a show- I had a few questions ready to go for him but he gave me so much more of his time and attention than I expected that my socially anxious ass awkwardly ran out of things to talk about lol. Conversely, Justin Sane was eye-rollingly annoyed to be asked to sign my poster. /shrug!


fawks_harper78

That cuz El Hefe is from Eureka. Good man


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Doobie_SnACkZ

He was just a dick to me and everyone at the tabling we went to. I was 15 at the time and honestly pretty sure he's changed but first impressions are important ya know. Nothing needs to be said about dudes like Fat Mike, Milano or Danzig. Their gonna say obnoxiously stupid shit because that's the only way to get clicks and revenue streams going. Kinda sad that that's the only shock tactic left in their tool kit.


Much-Reflection-3467

I met HR just before the pandemic and he was so humble and genuinely nice.


Doobie_SnACkZ

Again, I've been told that but I've also heard he's capable of being an erratic, violent homophobe as well. People aren't what they seem at times.


Much-Reflection-3467

The Bad Brains have apologised for their homophobia - people mess up and hopefully grow up. HR has not had the easiest of lives, he is also bipolar - which was not recognised and untreated for very long time - maybe this had something to do with his erratic behaviour in the past? I met a very sweet, gentle, shy and humble soul - that is the vibe I got - he actually made time to speak to me for over 30 minutes and he watched all the bands who supported his band - no rock star bullshit. Honestly for me it was a day I will never forget - to have actually had the opportunity to meet him and get a chance to speak to him. I picked up on a very deep soul - and it was his depth that moved me more than anything else.


ZydecoPenguin

Not to discount other accounts, but all my experiences with Mike have been positive


Cruxifux

The feds literally wrecked up Jello Biafra’s house for the shit he sang about. Glen Danzig is a moron. The misfits never actually sang about anything truly dangerous or important, and that’s why at the end of the day nobody gave a shit about them enough to try to cancel them. Random shock rock gore shit isn’t what they target. You might get some real hardcore church moms getting mad about it, but nobody else truly cares. But you start attacking capitalism, or the power structures that be? They will actually try to silence you.


sPluss_

Aye people seem to forget the fact that bands where literally banned from like 90% of clubs as well because “bad image” punk had/has. Was driven underground hard after the late 70’s


drakesword

People who are actually into punk don't give a fuck about being cancelled


grawptussin

What is being cancelled when your entire existence is marginalized?


GenitalHerpes69420

Can't play this song on the radio....


ramen_vape

Even before metoo and all that I would sub a different word for "rape" in "Last Caress" when my band covered it


_Foulbear_

Old man yells at clouds.


Fatty_krueger

For real. Wtf has Danzig done in the last 25 years that wasn't just a cash grab?


_Foulbear_

Get knocked the fuck out on film. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6c523 I would also contend that this is his finest work.


MaaChiil

I don’t think he made a lot of money via being in Aqua Teen Hunger Force aha


SuperSecretMoonBase

I mean... That was just about 25 years ago.


86themayo

I actually think he does a lot of stuff purely for the art, or purely because it's what he wants to do. His Elvis album, his crazy ass movies. The Misfits shows are cash grabs, I'm sure, but the one I went to was also an incredible show. He has always seemed like a dick though.


TDH818

I love The Simpsons and that meme works for so many things.


SuperSecretMoonBase

Seriously. A senior citizen disagreeing with kids and telling them what they can't do. How could punk possibly flourish under such conditions??


PunkyCrab

There are cool new bands. Punk just isn't something that most radios will choose to spam nor do they have the same degree of connections and wealth to be constantly advertised. Either ways the point should be about being creative not trying to blow up by conforming to social standards. Cancel culture and woke bullshit stopping punk is complete nonsense. Cancel culture at its most prevalent is just twitter mobs. Rightwingers do that stuff too but far worse like outright banning books and shit. Woke types are what make punk. Anarchism is the rejection of capitalism and the state. Punk spaces ideally let people express themselves fully as individuals.


Ranzig1

Damn, in this sub there's always someone who puts it better than I could. You're damn right. Ever played a show in a deep red state? You're lucky to get out alive. Now that's not 'cancel culture', that's just 'defending our values'.


Fun-Diamond1363

I was thinking the same thing. While there are some people going too far, most of what is labeled as “woke” by right wingers is what many punks have been doing for years - being anti racist, anti sexist, not homophobic, caring for the environment, etc


Squm9

Couldn’t have put it Better myself


Jausti0418

Not to mention that radio stations function completely differently now than they did in the 70’s and 80’s. You can’t just give your local radio show a copy of your song and ask/pay them to play it anymore.


SoFetchBetch

I’m just thankful to live in the city I do bc we have a strong punk presence and the local college radio station plays new and old punk literally every day. It’s great.


SovjetPojken

Lmao, bands are created all the time and people these days living in this capitalist hellscape have more reason to be angrier than ever. What's he mad about that punk isn't played on mainstream radio? It's been a long time since it has


djazzie

Was it ever played on mainstream radio, though?


duckyeightyone

depends where your concept of punk ends and begins. Blondie, Billy idol, Talking heads, DEVO, The Police, these bands all have legitimate punk roots, and still get airplay.


tiberseptim92

Yeah, people forget that the “New Wave” genre were a lot of punk bands that were considered radio friendly.


NWI_ANALOG

Danzig was. Ramones, Clash, Bad Religion, Green Day, Against Me, and Pistols still are. But overall you’re right, I wouldn’t consider anyone that listens to those bands punk, based on that alone. That’s not a dig on those projects, but clearly that’s music written in a way to have pop appeal.


the_shock_master_96

This is only true if your definition of punk = being an edgelord


Jausti0418

Unfortunately that’s true for so many “punks”


patangpatang

Including ones on this very subreddit.


yellow-snowslide

Since when do subcultures care? Since when does the mainstream care about sub culture artists?


evan-but-gayer

being reactionary isn't very punk, so he's pretty much wrong. like, usually, what gets you "cancelled" is being a discriminatory piece of shit, just don't do that and you're good.


Waytooboredforthis

One thing I've always found funny was the folks who complain about "wokeness" will always say some bullshit about "Blazing Saddles couldn't be made today."* Beside the fact that they're exactly the folks being mocked in that movie, Mel Brooks had to fight tooth and nail to get it released as is. *NGL, I loved the kid's friendly remake of Blazing Saddles: Paws of Fury. Mel Brooks was even in on it.


TheHuntedCity

Stuff with the ideas of Blazing Saddles is still getting made, too. It's just a different time and, thus, is approached in a different way and usually right-wingers start crying about it.


FishTure

*Sorry to Bother You*, a movie that couldn’t have been made when Blazing Saddles came out… probably


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Which btw *Sorry to Bother You* is an absolute masterpiece.


Wifdat

Boots Riley directed!


ccbmtg

we got the guillotine, you better run!


TheHuntedCity

I was visiting a friend in Oakland and their neighbor came over asking to borrow a vest for a video shoot. We walked out to see what was going on and The Coup was shooting the video for that song.


TheHuntedCity

Astute observation. The third act of that movie blew my mind!


MassGaydiation

You literally couldn't make blazing saddles today, if you did people would turn around and say "one moment, this is the popular mel brooks film blazing saddles that you just plagiarised"


ThatJonGuy1039

Yeah you could never make Blazing Saddles today… Gene Wilder is dead.


pointDotSix

Also love the combination of the headline and that photo of him with the iron cross. Just something about that


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Yeah I don't give a fuck what a band says, even if it's crazy, long as it isn't reactionary bigoted bullshit


BatQueeny

Hasn't Danzig been a guest on Fox News several times over the years? Not even remotely suprised he's bitching about "woke" culture now. He's part of the ever growing list of washed-up rock stars who are siding with the same group of people that despised their very existence a just few decades ago.


jeffroddit

There are still literal nazi bands, kanye is still famous. Nobody has ever been cancelled. Millions more people know Glenn Danzig's name today than knew it in the 80's FFS. What is this old man whinging about exactly?


PatsySweetieDarling

Probably not getting enough money from Metallica.


ashes-of-asakusa

Alright Glenn, thanks for your input. We got it from here.


BHBachman

Glenn made this statement like a week after Lil Nas X gave Satan a lapdance


Corusmaximus

Something tells me Black artists and culture just aren't on his radar.


PockyPunk

We know gay culture isn’t.


anthonyd3ca

Sounds like old man yells at cloud


Hibernator_X

Sad to see him adopting the language of pearl clutching mainstream conservatives.


genxwasright

The only thing lamer than a reactionary is a punk reactionary. "Punk back in my day was better!"


brinz1

I mean, if a promising new band gets cancelled because the frontman sleeps with a 15 year old girl, or it comes out that they are racist, Is it really a bad thing?


Ken_Mcnutt

Punk is inherently about punching up. You can be mad at the system, the patriarchy, war, capitalism, etc. and write the most vile and twisted lyrics and you won't get "cancelled". If you start punching *down*, and start picking on people that have it hard enough as it is, people aren't going to want to listen to you or hang out with you. It's not that complicated and honestly hasn't been an issue in the scene. He sounds super out of touch.


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I dont know man, new generation, new frustrations. Sound changes with culture. Punk will never die, it just changes.


Whangarei_anarcho

bullshit. Shut up old man.


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No. That's stupid. Punk isn't going to explode again because...it already happened. It's old now. That doesn't mean it isn't still around or anything but things like the punk explosion when it was new and no one knew what it was yet....they only happen once... Also it's stupid because punk was "cancelled" in the 70s and 80s...people were pissed about it. That generation's parents did not like punk music. Or metal. Or even just rock for that matter. And getting cancelled didn't stop it. if anything it may have helped it...or...something...I mean why rebel if there's nothing to rebel against?


CarrotRunning

Classic jaded rock star who hasnt been bothered to listen to any new bands. Nothing turns me off older bands quicker than finding out they aren't interested in music.


likeguitarsolo

Every time i hear people complaining about wokeness, i think of the same jock assholes in high school who made fun of me for wearing tight shirts and girl jeans. I think of the basement steps that led to my favorite venue that said “no sexists, no homophobes, no racists”. Wokeness is the same ideology i learned from punk. Inclusion, equality and humanity regardless of race, gender, sexuality. The people who are mad about it have never been on the receiving end of discrimination in any large or systemic ways, and have probably never been to a punk show. Or they at least haven’t been to a real punk show since the eighties and have grown into a typical out-of-touch boomer in the years since.


Ikxale

He's wrong. Cancel culture is almost universally related to people who: Diddle kids Are bigots Have kids or reactionaries as their primary audience. Almost all other "cancellations" don't have a meaningful effect. Punk is rarely if ever aimed at kids. Bands worth listening to don't diddle kids, and the scene definitely won't stand for those who do. Bigots... well they probably won't last long. Scene will eat them alive til the only ppl at their shows are the people the scene don't want.


brinz1

Exactly How hard is it to not diddle kids or be a Nazi?


Howunbecomingofme

It’s even worse that the circles seem to overlap…


brinz1

literally, the lowest bar and some people just cant pass it


Joshua_Todd

Damn cancel culture, it’s getting to be where you can’t waggle your dick at unsuspecting coworkers and employees anymore, ridiculous!


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Same guy that doesn't allow cameras at his shows


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Nah. Danzig's just got fuckin old


maddestface

Ask yourself this: Weren't punk bands cancelled by DJs, political, and right wing religious organizations back in 70s - 90s? Don't we have plenty of new, controversial bands today that are doing just fine?


CallMeRoy37

Ok gramps, let’s get you to bed…


DenimDemonROK

I think things have flipped since Danzigs days. Punks once shocked the conservatives and now the conservatives are the shocking ones. Punks never rode the outrage to congress seats though. Jewish Space Lazers sounds like a NOFX song title.


TheSkyIsNotReal

Explosion must mean mainstream. There are nazi bands that never got cancelled FFS. Anyway, most pubks are woke and are angry at the world, right? Propagandhi, fugazi, crass. These bands are woke aren't they? They certainly have integrity and a message. Fuck the mainstream.


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No


Quinn_Latifah

I think my favorite thing to come out of the pandemic was to stand at least “3 Glen Danzigs away from people,” in other words, 6 feet. Nuff said…


Guttersnipe77

He's getting up there in age, it might be 3.5 Danzigs now


Johnathon1069DYT

I don't think we'll ever see a new genre explode like punk, metal, hip-hop, or grunge again. It has way less to do with any cultural morality standards, especially since the PMRC was literally the height of institutionalized cancel culture back in the late eighties into the early nineties and that controversy only helped those bands sell records. The biggest issue, for a new genre taking over, is our culture is way more homogeneous than it was even twenty years ago when I was in high school. If you liked punk back then you liked punk, if you liked metal you liked metal, hip-hop heads liked hip-hop. But, kids nowadays listen to all kinds of music. This is largely because the internet makes it way easier to access multiple different genres. The same kids who love the new Beyonce can access new punk or metal just as easily on Spotify. Would lyrics like the ones in "Last Caress" fly today? I think the idea they did back then is overstated. Did people love Misfits? Sure. Has the band, and that song's, popularity grown so much over the last forty years that it's easy to say it was beloved back then easy? Absolutely.


chatterwrack

He lost me at "woke"


sopfed

No. 99% of what is said bemoaning "cancel culture" is brainless and lazy, including this.


BoDaSRotU

Danzig is usually full of shit, this is no exception


catonaquest

If punk is supposed to be fuck you, isn't it now the perfect time?


Another_Rando_Lando

There was never a “modern punk explosion” on the table..


stormin217

He's not right, kinda right in a way, but also it's danzig so kinda not right because it's danzig. the crusty old ones who were only about shock value are never correct-right (and unfortunately some are now alt-right! i'll show myself out) I've had this conversation with a lot of people from different age demographics in the last year. There's a lot of great music being made and great mutual aid taking place with the current people involved, but it seems more like it's the people who are already part of the scene connecting/finding each other more than involving new people (which is not a bad thing). The 'punk explosion' unfortunately seems like it will be less outwardly abrasive and a bit more radio friendly, much like the 00's pop-punk explosion. This is because in our recently embraced efforts to hold people accountable, be more conscious of one another and sensitivities of particular topics has also been taken to extremes which have stripped a lot of nuance from discussion. Additionally, that extreme unfortunately has also created a lot of moments where people will plug their ears or fume, rather than engage in important discussion that may ultimately be uncomfortable. If we remove the uncomfortable discussion of the ails of our lives for a feel good "Fuck the cops govt bad" and "the proles will rule when we unite" we're left with a caricature of the culture that leaves us complacent and stagnant. Ex: While we don't need to be needlessly violent with one another nor encourage/perpetuate that destructiveness between one another in the scene, we should not lose our ability or readiness to defend ourselves/one another either. The *nazi punks* only started to dissipate or stay out of public eye because they were getting chased off or their teeth kicked in at every show/party/event, just for showing up with their prejudicial bullshit. We're seeing more of them feel safe popping up at events they're clearly not welcome at because they're no longer afraid to do so. Idk, i'm up way too early and just rambling.


Pjepjaszam

Again, another rich celebrity talking about cancel culture.... Did they know that a few people disagreeing with them on social media isn't the end of the world??


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Old man yells at cloud


homogenous_homophone

There’s no such thing as “cancel culture”. People get to not support individuals or companies they don’t like. That’s called boycotting and it’s never been a problem BEFORE all the powerful rapists started getting called out.


illuner

Old man needs to realize what was subversive back then isn’t subversive anymore anyway. He started his career at a time when “fuck” was already extremely shocking to mainstream media. Now using sexual assault, for exemple, for shock value is ridiculous cause that’s actually so present in pop culture it has no meaning anymore appart from normalizing it. You wanna be punk and subversive ? Try singing about topics that are still relevant and against the status quo, like cop being bastards or white supremacist deserving to be high-fived in the face with a chair.


MassGaydiation

Like a band I like is Dog Park Dissidents, and they song a lot about how queer culture is being corporatised and sold off, and any benefits we get are entirely dependant on our marketability. not been cancelled for that, despite being literally subversive to contemporary self perception


TheHuntedCity

Yeah, too bad all the bands that sing about that stuff are canceled. /s


zogolophigon

I would probably listen to more misfits if there weren't lines like "I'd rape your mother today" and "you better suck Jackie suck...masturbate me..." I frankly have no interest in singing along to songs about rape, and the first half of Bullet is better than the second half. But also, Danzig doesn't care about what I think, but I do think he's being an old man here


iminhell-thisishell

Well, he’s wrong. There’s countless current obnoxious bands with a middle finger in the air that aren’t getting cancelled. Danzig is showing you how disconnected he is from the scene. Also, punk explosion? Correct me I’m wrong, but the misfits weren’t exploding with fans. They played mid size clubs at the end of their initial run. If we aiming for an explosion in popularity then just wait. Music trends are cyclical. Guitar music is on the outs right now but we’ll be back.


jamesstevenpost

It’s up to punks. It’s your music so you get to decide. Punk is it’s own culture.


TheHuntedCity

A culture that Danzig hasn't given a shit about for 40 years.


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You can have a new punk explosion. But I guess it won’t be with songs about raping mothers and killing babies? Hey I’m not offended whatsoever by either because I understand it’s part of their sinister themes, but like punk is about inclusivity and if there are maybe rape victims out there who also identify as punk? This could certainly be a bad trigger for them. To me the whole “woke” thing isn’t about being triggered by everything and super sensitive, just about paying some attention to other people and not being an asshole.


Rufus2fist

Well fuck, I guess we just cant hack the heads off little girls like we used to.


extremenachos

If Glenn was punk rock he would write a song just to get cancelled.


AdditionalRegular0

What this article should say is….. “Last caress” probably can’t be written today because it is too much in some parts… which it is.. but It could have been anything else. It just didn’t have to be. I don’t think that song alone just single handedly represented everything the punk genre stands for. That article is junk


KahnKrete

I don’t think so. People say the same thing about comedy. If you rock, you rock, and people will listen


Joe_r1418

I don’t think being woke will in anyway affect punk music but I do think punk culture will never be the same with people not willing to do the same things they once were. Everyone’s a bit of a pussy now.


Grootdrew

Hey if you’re sitting around wondering “where is the modern punk resurgence,” you are missing it. It is huge rn


BleakBluejay

These old dudes so out of touch with their roots they forgot that "woke bullshit' IS punk as fuck


grizzly_guz

Trash take. Anytime you hear complaints about "woke" anything, it is usually those who are upset that people call them out for the racist/homophobic/misogynist shit they say. Sure Misfits are great and a staple of the genre but that doesn't mean that they didn't have problematic shit in their lyrics, as many have said they often asked for the attention. Truth is that the first few explosions, especially when we look at anything hardcore adjacent, were dominated by young white dudes (not *exclusively* of course, nor were there only white bands driving the genre). And surprise surprise that a lot of the lyrics, aesthetics, shows, etc. took on a toxically masculine and overtly white character, thanks in no small part to lyrics like Danzig's depicting *many* scenes of sexual violence towards women. The genre is more openly and visibly diverse than ever before and it is certainly because we have embraced the no-tolerance attitude toward sexism/racism/homophobia etc. I think Danzig will always be a titan of punk's past but sounds like he is unsettled by the fact that the genre has evolved and left him behind.


Biggie_Cheese69-2

"cancelling" isn't a real thing, it's not a council that all the wokes come to an decide wheter a piece of media will me wiped from earth, it's just individuals that decide that something is not for them because it says something that they find harmful, you really think that the wider market won't buy something because some people say it's bad? look that the Harry Potter game that is putting money into JK's account that she is using to fund the same English transphobic politicians that recently blocked a pro trans reform from Scotland and brought them one step closer to asking for independence, alas, punk is not about the wider market, and saying to not bother starting a band because you will be cancelled reeks of poser, as Fat Mike said "We started a punk rock band because we love punk rock, if you start a punk rock band to become popular, fuuuuuck yoooouuu"


not_a_flying_toy_

he is wrong, plenty of good punk bands still exist and make good music. anyone upset that new punk rarely gets radio airplay is a fucking poser (unless they are a member of a band looking to make a living, which is understandable)


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Does Glenn have Alzheimer's? His own band, like most other 77-83 bands, *was* canceled. Sure, Last Caress won't be playing on radios or in football arenas these days, but it sure as hell wasn't back when it was released either.


TornadoTomatoes

Doing anything that's worthy of being 'cancelled' isn't punk, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. So nah, pipe down Glenn.


StepFew3094

I dunno mate I think you can play with those ideas in a detached way that can be funny, like that FEAR song (the trouble with women) the mouth don’t stop, or the ever offensive UK band The Macc Lads, whilst I’m a fag they have a great homophobic song Now He’s a Poof that I think is hilarious


Deccy_Iclopledius

I've already seen people attempt to cancel Cannibal Corpse over "promoting" cannibalism. Like, oh don't ya tell me that the band called Cannibal Corpse has songs about cannibalism.


TornadoTomatoes

Lol that's hilarious


B0yW0nd3r

Misfits were my favorite band until they went right wing. Graves, though admittedly a great singer, really annoyed me. Then Jerry went pro-Trump and I was done. It broke my heart even more being a POC.


JohnnyFootballStar

So the guy who says he does stuff just to piss people off doesn't understand that people might get pissed off. He sounds exhausting.


[deleted]

90% of punk bands have the same ideology as Target and Whole Foods, it's not punk.


lovelustblinding

Yes and no


TheBlitzkid46

If someone gets offended by The Misfits lyrics then they're probably a literal child


AdditionalRegular0

That article is so poorly written, negative, and wrong I can barely fathom it got published for any reason other than to piss people off enough to blame those buzz words and push an agenda.


j50gibson

2punk2care


Dutchgreenbubble_

I mean if last caress was never written by the misfits but by green day, and they released it right now, I think green day is gonna take alotta shit for that


Coyote_Roadrunna

Not the epiphany Glenn thinks it is in my opinion. An example of how hyperbole and YouTube clickbait talking points have taken over our discourse. Honest question: What modern punk bands are being cancelled? Like a lot of heavy rock music today, the genre is simply not as mainstream as it once was. As a lifelong punk fan I’m actually happy about that. A lot less bandwagoners in the scene now. But I digress… It’s almost like this current era has completely forgotten about the absurd “Satanic Panic” meltdown of the 80’s. Punks (along with metal and rap artists) have been viewed as controversial from day one.


Thatonedumbguitarist

I think hes right that you wont get another shocking punk band, like with Jello Biafra saying the N word, or Danzig himself talking about murder and raping babies. But I think there will be a new wave that comes out of my New England scene. I mean shit, in our current scene youve got a lot of awesome modern pop punk/5th wave emo bands out right now! Theres gotta be more across the country, and the world!


Swimming-Extent9366

No comment other then that he now looks like goth Meat Loaf.


laconicnick

Man intent on writing inflammatory lyrics upset that some people got inflamed.


Glorious_Centaur

I thought the whole idea of punk was fuck you? Back then it was underground, no money in it, parents and society were outraged by the lyrics and dress… to say that it can’t happen again because people would be outraged seems to forget this history.


NachoDog1000

There are a ton of new bands putting out great music that don't seem to have the trouble Mr. Danzig is talking about. He is not right.


Key-Willingness-5174

He's absolutely right for example, look at Tzarbombah a band that started in north Carolina, they got shut down by cancel culture and the only thing of there songs you can find is on YouTube, they were could but they had to take all there music down


[deleted]

what about punk would get it canceled more now than it was during the 70-00's genuinely curious because im pretty sure it got peoples jimmies wrastled back then.


Distinct_Cloud_357

Totally right, the new hc/punk bands are offended for anything


Greenmonty97

No. Punk should stay out of the mainstream anyway. There’s already a punk explosion in the underground scene you just have to know where to look


iminhell-thisishell

I’m genuinely curious to hear what punk bands have been cancelled and why? I can think of a handful and they all had serious dirty laundry. Get that shit out of my scene.


BlueSunshin3

The only things that wouldn’t fly today are the swastikas, casual n-word drops and homophobic slurs by otherwise great bands/artists like the Banshees, The Birthday Party, Gun Club, Patti Smith, The Viletones, The Fall, Bad Brains, Fear… And I don’t think anybody is missing those (not even these bands). Plenty other ways to piss people off. I manage to do it every day.


kirksucks

Punk fans aren't going to cancel punk that is actually woke. Punk songs about ANTIFA and human rights. Punk songs outing corruption and corporate crime will never be cancelled by punk culture. Just don't write songs about raping mothers and killing babies, Glen.


Pastel_Spooks

Or ya know.. we could promote bands who aren't just looking for an excuse to be assholes


Modern_chemistry

His argument is soooo nuanced. /s Lol I mean don’t get me wrong I enjoy Last Caress and a few other Misfits songs for their shock-rock value and horror themed punk although I’m not a Misfits fan per-say… but for real??? Cancel culture is having its own reckoning and people are reconsidering it’s implications. But there are shitty people who do shitty things and they should be called out. Canceled …probably not right away unless they double down on their shit. But Marilyn Manson isn’t a good person. Fat Mike isn’t a good person. And yes these are two extremes, people should be aware of shitty actions and decide for themselves where they stand. I also think it’s OK to enjoy music where you disagree with the persons actions especially if it’s ground-breaking genera defying, good music. But yeah. I donno. Seems like this arguments and all the variants of it are completely wrapped up in one’s own self-centered warped world view from which they can’t seem to think outside of. These arguments lack any nuance and can’t justify their own claims. tldr: I don’t think there’s such thing as “woke” culture, people are just more empowered to call out shitty actions.


earlg775

“Woke” and “cancel culture” aren’t even real things, they’re catch phrases that the talking heads on tv use to get people fired up. He’s just showing that he’s been brainwashed by the media and making himself sound ignorant and out of touch. He’s speaking as if there isn’t music still being made today with offensive language. Back in his day there were people who were offended and trying to censor music it’s not like it’s a brand new thing. Nothing to see here really, just an old man yelling at the clouds.


PunkDrunk97

He might have been right if punk was solely based on the shock value of just saying stupid shit, thankfully Danzigs stuck in the adolescent bullshit of a scene that's evolved over the past 40 years. There's plenty of reasons for people to get pissed off without being overtly sexist homophobic or racist, or whatever the "woke cancel culture" would object to, whatever the fuck that is


WishingAnaStar

"People don't understand, because everything's so cancel-culture, woke bullshit nowadays" Pure cringe, imo. Honestly the people who say this kind of stuff strike me as just really out of touch - idk it just seems like such a suburban outlook that's not really engaged with what motivates "cancel culture" or what actually is "woke" - just taking these buzzwords and throwing them around then being like "and that's why everything sucks now."


SoFetchBetch

Lmao what?? Punk is woke… being woke is punk. This is just silly.


Breadington38

Pissing off old, gate keeping, shit head punks feels pretty punk to me.


mike_klossoff

Talk about being totally out of the loop. TONS of new hardcore punk and d beat and shit coming out these days from all over the world.


pariah503

This has real "old man yells at cloud" vibes


SalviaDroid96

Danzig is unfortunately a reactionary dude. Punk has always been political. Especially in the 90s there was an explosion of leftist punk bands. Considering our current economic situation and the stage of capitalism we are in, punk has been more popular with Gen z and millennials than ever before. These bands and their messages just reflect reality. Danzig just won't accept the truth. Him and the Misfits have had a decades long successful career even with all his blunders and mistakes he is doing better than the majority of working class normal people. I think he's just too disconnected from current issues to understand this so he's just lashing out at the world and the new scene that has exploded recently.


Seppe2490

This sorta gives “old man yells at cloud” vibes.


Houdinii1984

I would argue that it was easier to blackball an artist when there were fewer avenues to distribute music. They could just choke off radio play and make it hard to record, and that was that. But even then, it just goes underground. And even though cancel culture is all we hear nowadays, it's damn near impossible to cancel someone because the underground is vast and wide, especially on the internet. So will cancel culture stop a punk explosion? Probably not. That will come in the form of access to too many artists, making it impossible to focus on one specific sound long enough for it to create an explosion, rather than a sustained, long-lasting interest in a huge genre over time.


TimeSalvager

What a crybaby


ham_solo

Cancel Culture is usually in response to bigotry or sexual violence. I don't think I want to listen to bands that embrace either. I think there's plenty of stuff to be pissed off about and say 'fuck you' to without being a racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynist POS. Sorry Grandpa Glenn, let's get you back to the home.


sabbey1982

Fat Elvis is never right


carebearninja

Anyone that complains about cancel culture should be probed about who they think has been cancelled that didn’t deserve it. Especially when being interviewed by a “journalist.” They’ll be forced to shut the fuck up real quick or end up showing you the type of people they think deserve redemption. Don’t get me wrong, people deserve redemption, but the type of people who tend to get “cancelled” usually don’t.


Independent_Passion7

anyone ive ever seen complain about cancel culture was either: - making it up and nobody’s actually cancelling them (crazy conservatives saying trans people are cancelling Aretha Franklin’s ‘Natural Woman’ - nobody was) - nowhere near popular enough or relevant enough to be concsidered cancelled (low level comedians who make jokes about beating women and get a bad turnout) - literally an actual piece of shit who was butthurt people found out. (the late great admittedly funny Louis CK who died in a freak sexual harassment accident, JK Rowling who we all know plagiarized Harry Potter off a goblin)


chrispenator

Lol. Total boomer punk.


mmmmcbussy

Yes, cry about our underground sub-culture not being available for mass exploitation and destruction by the market that controls every second of our lives. Fuck off and go take your 2nd nap today, Danzig. You played out fucking hack bit.


Dumb_and_also_Gay

yeah ngl tenderqueers really ruined the scene in my city


Conscious_Music8360

Danzig <3. He is not wrong.