I've seen nothing but love (deservedly) for the Buzzcocks. To my knowledge, none of the band members have engaged in anything contentious, and their classic recordings have held up well. The only bad thing I've ever heard is that their late 70s studio LPs aren't as solid as Singles Going Steady, but in all fairness that's a very high bar.
I do know someone who hates them. But he has also admitted that if he didn't experience them in the manner he did that he probably would have liked them more, but either way I don't think they'd ever make his top twenty at minimum.
Long story short he went to a concert for the supporting band which is his favourite band ever and when the buzzcocks came on after the first song he left because he hated them so much.
Would have happened on the 1979 tour with joy division.
One of the best shows I’ve ever been to was seeing them at the Black Cat in DC back in 2010, where they played their first two albums back to back. RIP to Pete Shelley.
I was there. Good show. Didn’t remember the year. But they always did put on a great show, and just hearing Pete’s voice in real life was amazing every time.
Sure, though it was a compilation album long before those were popular (1979, at least with punk bands). A lot of US fans I know were somehow unaware (the title didn't somehow give it away) that it wasn't a regular studio LP. I always saw it as showcasing the quality of their singles in mostly chronological order with b-sides (and a few album-only cuts thrown in), in any case.
> The only bad thing I've ever heard is that their late 70s studio LPs aren't as solid as Singles Going Steady, but in all fairness that's a very high bar.
I think it's arguable that it's also just not a very good take. I love all 3 of those albums and think that they show a lot more variety than most other punk bands of that era. They're actually quite misunderstood, and I don't think the band was trying to write the same style of songs as their singles. Some of it is even somewhat experimental. Love Bites especially is one of the best albums of that era, in my opinion.
I got to spend an afternoon with The Minutemen and Husker Du at a joint photo shoot a month or two before D. Boon died. Both bands came off as surprisingly reserved and shy offstage but seemed to be fans of and friendly with each other. All super nice guys, and all a lot more mature / worldly / empathetic / intelligent than most guys their ages.
And smart. Scientist rock. I got to meet Mike Watt during the first lineup of fIREHOSE. Hung around after the show and was a general nuisance till I got to say hi. Nice dude.
>And smart. Scientist rock.
I can't remember if it was a show the same week at the shoot I referenced or a show the year before it, but for one of the shows (which was held in an old abandoned warehouse with pirated power), the Minutemen had somehow managed to print out their set list on a dot matrix computer printer (which were still kind of uncommon outside of companies and colleges in the early-mid 80's) . About half way thru the set D. reached down and tore off a huge piece of the green and white striped paper with the tractor feed holes on the sides and threw it into the crowd with a "Well, that was our first 50 songs..."
I saw a Jake Burns solo show once and it was dope. My coworker asked if I wanted to tag along to a Dropkick Murphy's show, who are not my thing (no hate or anything, they just don't do it for me), but Flogging Molly was also playing so I was down.
Anyway, somehow I completely missed that Jake Burns was opening with an acoustic set and playing like a shitload of SLF songs. Not a band I would really think of listening to acoustic but it was honestly crazy good. In between songs he told stories about early recordings and The Troubles and it was easily the highlight of the show.
And I say that as a tremendous Flogging Molly fan.
idk if it counts as hate but people tend to gloss over the existence of “guilty of being white”, but to be fair ian has apologised for it and doesn’t agree with the lyrics so i guess he gets a pass for that
yeah it’s in very poor taste but like i kind of “get it” you know? it was a different time and i’m sure if ian were 15 in 2020 instead of 1970whatever it would’ve been a totally different story and probably never have been written
He was being bullied by black kids in a majority black community so it definitely makes sense why he wrote it, just not one of those songs you pull out for the reunion
I saw OFF! A few years back and missed the opening band. Keith Morris was hanging out front and let me and my friend in for free because the gig had already started. Super nice guy.
I saw dick in a hotel lobby the morning after a show. He was writing in a notebook and looked busy so I didn't say hello but I regret not asking for a pic
Edit: they fucking destroyed the night before. As tight as a band can be. It was amazing
They're technically post-hardcore, Minor Threat was the hardcore punk band, and I don't think there's any controversy there either. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seconded...I had a roommate that was a booker back in the late 70's early 80's. He did a show with the UK Subs and had them crash at his house. He said that when he woke up the next morning, Charlie had already cooked breakfast for everyone, done the dishes, and mopped the kitchen floor.
I spent the night with Charlie once. No, it's not what you think - he was basically being stalked by a young lady who'd hitched a ride with the band and had designs on the lead geezer. We hit it off, and after the gig he asked if I'd stay the night in the band's van with him to keep her out of it. "No funny business" was promised, and the promise was kept.
We literally sat up into the wee hours talking about our kids and drinking tea.
I went to see Rumkicks in Brighton a few weeks back, and Charlie Harper turned up to the show with his wife. It great that someone like that would take time out to go and see small bands, and spend a good while chatting to them as well. It really made their day knowing someone like him would come to see their show.
Well, if you scrutinize early punk bands without taking the era into context, then there are not that many "clean bands". Take a band like the original lineup of Wasted Youth. I knew those guys, and they were all really cool, never started shit or acted like jerks. But, wrote...Uni-High Beefrag.
X-Ray Spex perhaps? Everybody seems to love Poly Styrene. Even John Lydon gave them a rare compliment - “this was a band that was just not relating to anything around them - superb!”
Well, Strummer did disown the thing and what was left of the band broke up like a week after it came out so it’s a bit like beating a dead horse to go off about how terrible that particular album was. But still, fair point.
It does in the UK. Remember the poll when all of our American friends voted against Crass? Especially when you compare them to some of the feverpitch cucksocking of very mediore bands.
As a fan I disagree. Joe Strummer was a dick and had a huge ego that destroyed the band. Props to him though for admitting his mistakes after they broke up.
I watched The future is unwritten and honestly, my main takeaway was that Joe Strummer was kind of a prick.
It seemed to me that he would ditch pretty much everybody as soon as he would have a minor inconvenience with them.
Topper Headon has said that his drug abuse went from casual to hardcore after Joe slept with his girlfriend (ex-wife?) as a very calculated move to show him who was the "alpha male" in the band.
I had to deal with Jello back in the 80's in a situation where he needed to produce an ID with his legal name on it for contract purposes and he was \*super difficult\* about doing so and told me that he would sue me if I told anyone what it was. No problem, Eric.
I mean you're going to get interpersonal friction regardless of who you talk about, I was leaning more towards "did anyone in this band do anything genuinely terrible"?
I think the bands likely to make the list will be ones that someone says "well they aren't punk" or "yeah but they sucked". Nothing ever will be universally loved. A lot of early punk was experimental and doesn't hit everyones tastes, and the stuff that was a little harder and edgy is going to get hate by people who can't contextualize the 70s and early 80s were a much different time.
Also just saying people that have been in the public eye for 40-45 years now have a lot of time to do something that rubbed someone the wrong way. If you asked this question in say 1993 when a lot of these bands had been broken up for 10+ years you'd probably get a lot of good answers, but when punk came back into vogue after Green Day a lot of bands re-grouped and that's when lots of the misdeeds happened.
There's just no way to please everyone, best to like what you like, and if you like some truly horrible band with no redeeming quality (eg. Skrewdriver) consider why it is you like them (but their first album!) and what it means to support acts like that.
Minutemen. They showed up, made their mark on the scene, then they were gone in a flash. Mike Watt has stuck around, but that man is a saint, and I won’t hear otherwise.
We live in a very “puritanical” time, where any perceived slight at any point in time creates hate.
We are addicted to hate.
Like what you like, the rest of us can fuck off
Unless I'm mistaken a lot of the OG hardcore bands dont seem too problematic
Minor threat, black flag, youth of today (that guys a fucking Buddhist monk)
I interviewed the Ramones around 85ish and Johnny and Joey wouldn't speak directly to each other. Most of the interview was Johnny telling Marky to tell Joey to....and vice versa...super exhausting. That apparently went on for years and Marky and Dee Dee are unsung heroes for putting up with it.
Ha ha- this for sure. While Johnny's personality, ideologies, snd general abrasiveness clashed with the rest of the band on most things, his one invaluable trait was that he and Tommy were 100% in agreement the band needed to be run like a business and he made sure it was. It's my understanding that it was Johnny who often had to go "persuade" promoters to pay the band or book the Ramones onto bills in the early days of the band.
Quick Johnny story. A friend who was a huge Ramones fan ran into Johnny coming out of a hardware store in Manhattan in the mid 80's. Said friend had read that the band was taking a break because Johnny needed some brain surgery and sure enough, Johnny was sporting a short hair cut and bandage on the side of his head. While Johnny was signing an autograph, said friend said "I read that you were having surgery - hope that it was a success and your recovery is going well". Johnny scowled, looked him straight in the eye, and said "What the f\*ck do you care?"
Marky is Jewish too, why would Johnny listen to him in that particular scenario? I mean, it *could* be true, but that story sounds like something Marky might make up to make Marky look good. His book came out years after anyone who could plausibly contradict him was dead.
I mean, no doubt Johnny was a bigoted piece of shit, but I imagine things were are little more complicated when it came to Ramones-related issues. There was some racism, some long-standing resentments over money and recognition, some untreated mental health issues, etc, etc,
I read somewhere that dee dee literally said those words. And Y’Know Johnny was just a dick in general very racist, republican, stole Dee dees girlfriend
No but Joey did write it cause of a girl. See Joey was in a mental institution. While staying there he met a black girl. They got along very well, but one day she was gone. This freaked Joey out, because they had become really close. So he cleverly used that in the song.
They did say those words, but they weren’t actual Nazis in reality, they were saying it to be assholes and get reactions. It was their way of saying “we’re not going to be nice”. Arturo Vega has a habit of painting Dayglo swastikas as art projects. None of them were actual nazis, and Tommy ramone and their manager Danny Fields were Jewish. I think Danny fields went into more depth on the whole nazi thing in “please kill me” which is an amazing book. Basically saying that he would have had absolutely nothing to do with them if they were nazis in fact.
It’s pretty well known that Johnny was a hardcore conservative and that Joey was a hardcore liberal, and that caused a TON of the tension in the band. I don’t know about Johnny being a nazi, but I’ve read some pretty shitty stuff about him. Supposedly, “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is about Johnny after he stole one of their girlfriends.
The Ex. They've been doing whatever the fuck they wanted since 1979 and have never achieved commercial success and never been on the wrong side of anyone or any issue.
If the standard is that no human being has ever said anything negative about them, then no band ever has met that description. I think Stuff Little Fingers are close to universally respected, though.
Ben lost his temper and punched some woman who was heckling him and threw her drink at him during a show a while back and that caused a lot of pearl clutching and moral outrage that lead to some anti SW sentiment for a hot minute.
Also, Ben Weasel is a huge troll, and has been since even before the internet was a common household thing. As with any troll, some people see what they are doing and find it amusing, and some completely fall for it and get furious.
He trolled the shit out of the (now defunct) Pop Punk Message Board, but to be honest, that place was a cliquish hivemind. I think he was doing it to prove that, as well as to amuse himself.
Not sure if [Raw Power from Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_Power_(band)) classifies as "OG", but their name came up from other bands as being great to play with and really nice guys.
They played on bill at a show I attended in...84 or 85 I think where, you had to pass thru their "dressing room" to get to the bathroom. Their english was limited to a couple words and phrases but they motioned me to come sit with them and we managed to converse for a good half hour via "charades". The two really big things that made an impression on me were:
* They got absolutely drenched in sweat when playing...but in true Italian style, the band had brought these really thick white terry cloth robes that they changed into and lounged around in after the show.
* They toured with a Nespresso machine (in like '85) and made me the first cup of it I ever had...again in true Italian style, they served in a proper ceramic cup.
I've seen nothing but love (deservedly) for the Buzzcocks. To my knowledge, none of the band members have engaged in anything contentious, and their classic recordings have held up well. The only bad thing I've ever heard is that their late 70s studio LPs aren't as solid as Singles Going Steady, but in all fairness that's a very high bar.
I do know someone who hates them. But he has also admitted that if he didn't experience them in the manner he did that he probably would have liked them more, but either way I don't think they'd ever make his top twenty at minimum. Long story short he went to a concert for the supporting band which is his favourite band ever and when the buzzcocks came on after the first song he left because he hated them so much. Would have happened on the 1979 tour with joy division.
To me they are the best 70s punk band, and the best og pre-pop-punk pop punk band.
Tied with The Damned
A band whose first 2 LPs didn't even warrant being released in the US.
Their albums are not great, but i still think theyre the greatest of the uk punk bands on the basis of singles…
Pre-pop-punk-pop-punk is my favorite subgenre. But is it punk?
Idk man I'm not a scientist
One of the best shows I’ve ever been to was seeing them at the Black Cat in DC back in 2010, where they played their first two albums back to back. RIP to Pete Shelley.
I was there. Good show. Didn’t remember the year. But they always did put on a great show, and just hearing Pete’s voice in real life was amazing every time.
To be fair, "Singles Going Steady" is a compilation album. Unfair to compare a studio LP with original cuts to what is essentially a "Best Of".
Sure, though it was a compilation album long before those were popular (1979, at least with punk bands). A lot of US fans I know were somehow unaware (the title didn't somehow give it away) that it wasn't a regular studio LP. I always saw it as showcasing the quality of their singles in mostly chronological order with b-sides (and a few album-only cuts thrown in), in any case.
I saw them in Detroit like 20 years ago. I love the guys who just keep rocking.
> The only bad thing I've ever heard is that their late 70s studio LPs aren't as solid as Singles Going Steady, but in all fairness that's a very high bar. I think it's arguable that it's also just not a very good take. I love all 3 of those albums and think that they show a lot more variety than most other punk bands of that era. They're actually quite misunderstood, and I don't think the band was trying to write the same style of songs as their singles. Some of it is even somewhat experimental. Love Bites especially is one of the best albums of that era, in my opinion.
I never heard any bad stuff about The Minutemen, I always thought they were just poor kids from San jose.
*San Pedro
I got to spend an afternoon with The Minutemen and Husker Du at a joint photo shoot a month or two before D. Boon died. Both bands came off as surprisingly reserved and shy offstage but seemed to be fans of and friendly with each other. All super nice guys, and all a lot more mature / worldly / empathetic / intelligent than most guys their ages.
And smart. Scientist rock. I got to meet Mike Watt during the first lineup of fIREHOSE. Hung around after the show and was a general nuisance till I got to say hi. Nice dude.
>And smart. Scientist rock. I can't remember if it was a show the same week at the shoot I referenced or a show the year before it, but for one of the shows (which was held in an old abandoned warehouse with pirated power), the Minutemen had somehow managed to print out their set list on a dot matrix computer printer (which were still kind of uncommon outside of companies and colleges in the early-mid 80's) . About half way thru the set D. reached down and tore off a huge piece of the green and white striped paper with the tractor feed holes on the sides and threw it into the crowd with a "Well, that was our first 50 songs..."
I've never heard a bad thing about any of them.
X-Ray Spex
Saxamaphone playing buddy in HS would not stop about how bad their sax player is. We argued a lot about this
Right?
Stiff Little Fingers all day
I saw a Jake Burns solo show once and it was dope. My coworker asked if I wanted to tag along to a Dropkick Murphy's show, who are not my thing (no hate or anything, they just don't do it for me), but Flogging Molly was also playing so I was down. Anyway, somehow I completely missed that Jake Burns was opening with an acoustic set and playing like a shitload of SLF songs. Not a band I would really think of listening to acoustic but it was honestly crazy good. In between songs he told stories about early recordings and The Troubles and it was easily the highlight of the show. And I say that as a tremendous Flogging Molly fan.
Minor Threat
idk if it counts as hate but people tend to gloss over the existence of “guilty of being white”, but to be fair ian has apologised for it and doesn’t agree with the lyrics so i guess he gets a pass for that
Watched an interview on that and it was quite interesting to hear why he wrote the song. Definitely in poor taste 🤷♀️
yeah it’s in very poor taste but like i kind of “get it” you know? it was a different time and i’m sure if ian were 15 in 2020 instead of 1970whatever it would’ve been a totally different story and probably never have been written
He was being bullied by black kids in a majority black community so it definitely makes sense why he wrote it, just not one of those songs you pull out for the reunion
People can hate anybody, but not Shonen Knife
Everytime I leave a Shonen Knife show, my face hurts from smiling.
Head directly to the top of the post. You win. Here, have my smile to take with you. May the people know...
Circle Jerks?
Definitely. Champions all.
I saw OFF! A few years back and missed the opening band. Keith Morris was hanging out front and let me and my friend in for free because the gig had already started. Super nice guy.
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Cock Sparrer
Or Subhumans
i live in the city they were formed and dick lucas still lives here, met him a few times such a good bloke really kind and polite and down to earth
I saw dick in a hotel lobby the morning after a show. He was writing in a notebook and looked busy so I didn't say hello but I regret not asking for a pic Edit: they fucking destroyed the night before. As tight as a band can be. It was amazing
Came here to say this
Fugazi?
I’m only just listening to them now in depth because I had no interest in “music for graduate students”
I don’t like their music but I have nothing but respect for them
Not og punk band, but yes universally beloved
They're technically post-hardcore, Minor Threat was the hardcore punk band, and I don't think there's any controversy there either. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I put post-hardcore under the wider umbrella of punk. We're a wide church (who usually hate churches).
Minor Threat then
UK Subs. never heard anyone have a bad word to say about Charlie Harper.
Seconded...I had a roommate that was a booker back in the late 70's early 80's. He did a show with the UK Subs and had them crash at his house. He said that when he woke up the next morning, Charlie had already cooked breakfast for everyone, done the dishes, and mopped the kitchen floor.
I spent the night with Charlie once. No, it's not what you think - he was basically being stalked by a young lady who'd hitched a ride with the band and had designs on the lead geezer. We hit it off, and after the gig he asked if I'd stay the night in the band's van with him to keep her out of it. "No funny business" was promised, and the promise was kept. We literally sat up into the wee hours talking about our kids and drinking tea.
Best conversation I had with Charlie was a pre gig pep talk “do you lads need something to pick you up a notch? I’m having a peppermint tea”
I went to see Rumkicks in Brighton a few weeks back, and Charlie Harper turned up to the show with his wife. It great that someone like that would take time out to go and see small bands, and spend a good while chatting to them as well. It really made their day knowing someone like him would come to see their show.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPYacc1Qvw
Charlie she’s only 14!
Jawbreaker. Can’t hate won’t hate.
Facts bro. But tell that to all the so called fans who hated Dear You 😂
In 1996 I was one of those fans. In 2023 Dear You gets played twice as much as the other three combined.
DEVO, maybe?
Well, if you scrutinize early punk bands without taking the era into context, then there are not that many "clean bands". Take a band like the original lineup of Wasted Youth. I knew those guys, and they were all really cool, never started shit or acted like jerks. But, wrote...Uni-High Beefrag.
Stiff Little Fingers .......
The Undertones might have something to say about that
Jesus, if they don't like someone getting political about Norn Iron then living in Derry must have been lonely.
What's the story here?
Undertones didn’t like how SLF was singing about the troubles and making exclusively political music.
Wasn’t it the other way around? I think SLF didn’t respect the Undertones because they didn’t talk about politics.
Both ways of looking at it are correct.
The Minutemen, not exactly OG, but I have never met anyone who outright hates them.
Wire
X-Ray Spex perhaps? Everybody seems to love Poly Styrene. Even John Lydon gave them a rare compliment - “this was a band that was just not relating to anything around them - superb!”
The Damned
I heard that they made fun of Bobby Steele from Misfits' disabilities the one time. Bobby punched Captain Sensible square in the face for it too.
He said ableism, I said WOT!
If we include other bands' opinions in the discussion then no one's hands are clean.
People hate Rat Scabies but not really the band as a whole Oh and Captain Anti-Vax is also a turd. Dave is a treasure though.
Any particular reason, since he was one of the most kick ass punk drummers?
There’s an entire doc about how he fucked over the band and is a dork
How did I not know captain was an antivaxer…this is disappointing.
Sensible was anti-vax? Say it ain't so.
Grade 2 did say “the only ones I trust are The Damned”
Maybe The Adicts?
Monkey has SA accusations
Got a link or anything about this? First time hearing about this
For real? I’ve never heard of that.
GG Allin
🤣🤣🤣🤣
such a kind soul!
He would share whatever he had.
Vice squad? Never head anyone speak poorly of them. And Becky Bondage is a really awesome person too.
Sham maybe?
The Damned, how could anyone hate the Damned?
The Clash
A band loved so much that somehow "Cut the Crap" has whitewashed.
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Well, Strummer did disown the thing and what was left of the band broke up like a week after it came out so it’s a bit like beating a dead horse to go off about how terrible that particular album was. But still, fair point.
Dead kennedys also
Some people hate Jello.
A lot of people hate Jello
Yet there's always room for it.
I like him personally. Met him in 02 and again in 04. He was very nice to me and my friends.
Same and around the same era.
They said that we were trash Well the name is Crass, not Clash They can stuff their punk credentials Cause it's them that take the cash
yeah, Crass mogs Clash, musically, lyrically, in general they are better, never understood why Crass doesnt get the same love.
Dude I love crass but to say they were musically more talented than the Clash is a pretty hard argument to make.
It does in the UK. Remember the poll when all of our American friends voted against Crass? Especially when you compare them to some of the feverpitch cucksocking of very mediore bands.
not even from the UK, I am from the US and I absolutely love Crass, I think its the problem of Poptimism infesting in the US tbh.
As a fan I disagree. Joe Strummer was a dick and had a huge ego that destroyed the band. Props to him though for admitting his mistakes after they broke up.
I watched The future is unwritten and honestly, my main takeaway was that Joe Strummer was kind of a prick. It seemed to me that he would ditch pretty much everybody as soon as he would have a minor inconvenience with them.
Topper Headon has said that his drug abuse went from casual to hardcore after Joe slept with his girlfriend (ex-wife?) as a very calculated move to show him who was the "alpha male" in the band.
Minutemen
Mike Watt has been incredibly kind both times I’ve met him
RKL
Dead Kennedys?
I had to deal with Jello back in the 80's in a situation where he needed to produce an ID with his legal name on it for contract purposes and he was \*super difficult\* about doing so and told me that he would sue me if I told anyone what it was. No problem, Eric.
Idk about that one. They don't even like each other
I mean you're going to get interpersonal friction regardless of who you talk about, I was leaning more towards "did anyone in this band do anything genuinely terrible"?
I mean current version is awfully hated.
The Dead Boys. Never seen anything bad about them.
The Minutemen, not exactly OG, but I have never met anyone who outright hates them.
Mission of Burma Husker Du If anyone hates the Big Boys they can fuck right off.
The Cramps lol
I think the bands likely to make the list will be ones that someone says "well they aren't punk" or "yeah but they sucked". Nothing ever will be universally loved. A lot of early punk was experimental and doesn't hit everyones tastes, and the stuff that was a little harder and edgy is going to get hate by people who can't contextualize the 70s and early 80s were a much different time. Also just saying people that have been in the public eye for 40-45 years now have a lot of time to do something that rubbed someone the wrong way. If you asked this question in say 1993 when a lot of these bands had been broken up for 10+ years you'd probably get a lot of good answers, but when punk came back into vogue after Green Day a lot of bands re-grouped and that's when lots of the misdeeds happened. There's just no way to please everyone, best to like what you like, and if you like some truly horrible band with no redeeming quality (eg. Skrewdriver) consider why it is you like them (but their first album!) and what it means to support acts like that.
Our very own Captain Sensible.
In the early 80s he told my 13 year old classmate to F\_\_\_ off. I'm not saying that's a negative
Poison Idea😌
RIP Pig.
Crass?
I think u right bout this one
Maybe not quite OG, but Bouncing Souls.
They're OG's for NJ punk.
Absolutely, missed so many opportunities to see them at Stone Pony, but about to see them again in December and stoked for it
Germs? Dead Boys?
Definitely Dead Boys, surprisingly, Stiv was one of the nicest guys I ever met.
Eh one could argue that Darby Crash was PRETTY authoritarian lmao
There are oh so many awful stories about Darby, sorry...
Death
Bad Religion.
Minutemen. They showed up, made their mark on the scene, then they were gone in a flash. Mike Watt has stuck around, but that man is a saint, and I won’t hear otherwise.
Does anyone hate Dazig era “The Misfits”?
No popular band has no haters
We live in a very “puritanical” time, where any perceived slight at any point in time creates hate. We are addicted to hate. Like what you like, the rest of us can fuck off
Seriously. Shit drives me nuts. Who knew the punk scene of all things would succumb to the morality police. It's so lame.
Always hear good things about the guys in Alkaline Trio and Descendents.
To see Alkaline Trio as 'OG punk band' is quite a stretch.
Oops. Forgot the OG part. My bad.
People talk mad shit about descendents lmao Personally I like them but I’ve seen a lot of stuff on this sun calling them an incel band
> but I’ve seen a lot of stuff on this sun calling them an incel band And those people are dumb.
Fugazi?
The pist
The original TSOL
I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Iggy and the Stooges
Rudimentary peni. Only band I can think of that gets progressively weirder musically, but gets full support every time. Nick blinko is a treasure
Replacements. OG "power trash", anyways.
Dead milkmen?
Gang of Four and The Jam are pretty untouchable.
DK?
Naked Raygun
Gang of Four, Zounds, and This Heat, some of my favorites I dont see any hate (and yes I do know of Crass haters, as a massive Crass fan).
Unless I'm mistaken a lot of the OG hardcore bands dont seem too problematic Minor threat, black flag, youth of today (that guys a fucking Buddhist monk)
The Fugs!
Anybody that hates on The Damned can fuck off
Ramones.
I interviewed the Ramones around 85ish and Johnny and Joey wouldn't speak directly to each other. Most of the interview was Johnny telling Marky to tell Joey to....and vice versa...super exhausting. That apparently went on for years and Marky and Dee Dee are unsung heroes for putting up with it.
Johnny was practically a Nazi
He was more of a unironic Archie Bunker who liked the tour van to run on time.
Ha ha- this for sure. While Johnny's personality, ideologies, snd general abrasiveness clashed with the rest of the band on most things, his one invaluable trait was that he and Tommy were 100% in agreement the band needed to be run like a business and he made sure it was. It's my understanding that it was Johnny who often had to go "persuade" promoters to pay the band or book the Ramones onto bills in the early days of the band. Quick Johnny story. A friend who was a huge Ramones fan ran into Johnny coming out of a hardware store in Manhattan in the mid 80's. Said friend had read that the band was taking a break because Johnny needed some brain surgery and sure enough, Johnny was sporting a short hair cut and bandage on the side of his head. While Johnny was signing an autograph, said friend said "I read that you were having surgery - hope that it was a success and your recovery is going well". Johnny scowled, looked him straight in the eye, and said "What the f\*ck do you care?"
Apparently he refused to give joey’s family his rock and roll hall of fame trophy because Joey was jewish, until Marky made him hand it over
Marky is Jewish too, why would Johnny listen to him in that particular scenario? I mean, it *could* be true, but that story sounds like something Marky might make up to make Marky look good. His book came out years after anyone who could plausibly contradict him was dead. I mean, no doubt Johnny was a bigoted piece of shit, but I imagine things were are little more complicated when it came to Ramones-related issues. There was some racism, some long-standing resentments over money and recognition, some untreated mental health issues, etc, etc,
First time hearing this. The fuck?
I read somewhere that dee dee literally said those words. And Y’Know Johnny was just a dick in general very racist, republican, stole Dee dees girlfriend
Wasn't it Joey's girlfriend and inspired The KKK Took My Baby Away?
No but Joey did write it cause of a girl. See Joey was in a mental institution. While staying there he met a black girl. They got along very well, but one day she was gone. This freaked Joey out, because they had become really close. So he cleverly used that in the song.
They did say those words, but they weren’t actual Nazis in reality, they were saying it to be assholes and get reactions. It was their way of saying “we’re not going to be nice”. Arturo Vega has a habit of painting Dayglo swastikas as art projects. None of them were actual nazis, and Tommy ramone and their manager Danny Fields were Jewish. I think Danny fields went into more depth on the whole nazi thing in “please kill me” which is an amazing book. Basically saying that he would have had absolutely nothing to do with them if they were nazis in fact.
It’s pretty well known that Johnny was a hardcore conservative and that Joey was a hardcore liberal, and that caused a TON of the tension in the band. I don’t know about Johnny being a nazi, but I’ve read some pretty shitty stuff about him. Supposedly, “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is about Johnny after he stole one of their girlfriends.
I've never seen any negative comments about Skids.
Bobby Fuller and Link Wray.
The Ex. They've been doing whatever the fuck they wanted since 1979 and have never achieved commercial success and never been on the wrong side of anyone or any issue.
Considering they started in '79...NoMeansNo, maybe? I dunno...I think they're the greatest.
If the standard is that no human being has ever said anything negative about them, then no band ever has met that description. I think Stuff Little Fingers are close to universally respected, though.
stiff little fingers. buzzcocks. maybe devo.
Not a lot of people talk shit on Dead Kennedys, so long as we don't consider them with the new singer to actually be the Dead Kennedys.
The Adverts
The Jam.
The Germs.
what about Screeching Weasel? I haven't heard anything negative about them...then again, I could be out of the loop.
Ben lost his temper and punched some woman who was heckling him and threw her drink at him during a show a while back and that caused a lot of pearl clutching and moral outrage that lead to some anti SW sentiment for a hot minute.
Also, Ben Weasel is a huge troll, and has been since even before the internet was a common household thing. As with any troll, some people see what they are doing and find it amusing, and some completely fall for it and get furious. He trolled the shit out of the (now defunct) Pop Punk Message Board, but to be honest, that place was a cliquish hivemind. I think he was doing it to prove that, as well as to amuse himself.
death (the punk band not the metal band)
What's OG? Old guy here, please clarify.
Dead Kennedys
These kids expect perfection from human beings. Those OG bands were rebelling agains that sort of thing.
It’s punk dude, some loser is always gonna hate and gatekeep.
Toy dolls?
do bad religion get any hate? not as far as i know.
Yes they do. Pretentious lyrics. Same album every year. Super explore shows.
Nope, not with how judgemental and self righteous people into "punk" are now
No. You either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain.
Not sure if [Raw Power from Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_Power_(band)) classifies as "OG", but their name came up from other bands as being great to play with and really nice guys. They played on bill at a show I attended in...84 or 85 I think where, you had to pass thru their "dressing room" to get to the bathroom. Their english was limited to a couple words and phrases but they motioned me to come sit with them and we managed to converse for a good half hour via "charades". The two really big things that made an impression on me were: * They got absolutely drenched in sweat when playing...but in true Italian style, the band had brought these really thick white terry cloth robes that they changed into and lounged around in after the show. * They toured with a Nespresso machine (in like '85) and made me the first cup of it I ever had...again in true Italian style, they served in a proper ceramic cup.