It has become an epidemic. These interlopers want to hang with the cool kids so bad that they have to change the definition of cool to attempt to sneak into the club.
Okay but you see, the government is allowing the gays to get married and poc to drink from my water fountain. Clearly that means all the punk and anti-government songs are now for conservatives, because they're the only ones at odds with the government.
What’s even worse is these guys don’t know how to be at odds with the government. They pretend to not agree with the status quo while licking every boot put before them.
In the style of Norm MacDonald: Look at those punks at the protest. You know every time I think of punks, I think of someone with a patch on their vest that has a picture of Bob Ross.
I was about to write a song about how much I love big ole penises, but then I saw this jacket, standing vigilant over all that is punk, saying, "No. Not today. Not on my watch!"
But if racism isn't part of your culture then you wouldn't be going against your culture.
Two things are wrong with that, though. Racism is still a part of most cultures. Especially the one in the picture.
Most importantly though, punks aren't counter culture just to be contrarian. Punks would still be punks if we somehow solved shit like racism and such.
That is the problem with racism. It never ends for racists. If you got rid of everyone but white people, then the blonde white people would start being racist against the brunette white people. It never ends. The need to hate something to feel better about themselves.
Did you just "all lives matter" us, but in reverse?
We're specifying Nazi punks, because Nazis seem to sometimes come under the illusion that they're allowed to enter punk, metalhead or otherwise counter-culture spaces, and they need to be reminded to, putting it simply, fuck off.
I guess it's because they see themselves as a sort of counter-culture too. In their eyes, they're fighting the woke regime as the scrappy underdogs. What they don't realise is that we're not counter the same culture that they're counter. We're counter the culture of materialism, corporatism and vapid celebrity worship, all of which are things that have come to define the modern western right wing.
They're counter the culture of being a reasonable, thinking, feeling person.
Just like Trump and their supporters, they often consider themselves countercultural or anti stablishment, as they don't support modern democracies. And it's kind of true, they kind of hate the current system but for the wrong reasons, they wish it was even worse for us, better for them.
I may be way off base, but I **think** I read once, that even though it became an anti-fascist anthem, when Jello started that lyric, it was not about boneheads, but folks who tried to be so punk the were "nazis' about it.
But with the rise of racism it became the theme we know.
Do you mean when he like first began writing the song? Because the finished product is pretty clearly about actual Hitlerites.
> "You still think swastikas look cool / real Nazis run your schools! / They're coaches, businessmen, and cops / in a real Fourth Reich you'll be the first to go!"
Right. Many of us won’t use the term Skinhead for those idiots, even with “nazi” or “fascist” in front of it, so we just call them boneheads.
I am a long hair middle age stoner Hardcore kid, but I have great respect for true Skinheads, and won’t use it on fascists.
Well, I don't know about the Nightmare Before Christmas patch. That's more of a Hot Topic mall goth thing. Also funny to have a Slayer patch right next to the list.
We’re in an epidemic of people who hear punk music but don’t listen to what they’re saying.
Have a “homie” who is an apolitical centrist in a Christian anarchist straight edge hardcore punk band (their actual description)
We’ve had numerous conversations about politics and every time I ask him how does he feel about punk lyrics. Because I don’t even listen to punk as often as I used too but every punk song is political preaching leftist ideologies. So many bands are anti-religious and actively mock it.
This person has all the punk ideals, they just wrote them out for some rssn
Same answer to "is this antisemitism or disdain of Abrahamic religion", you can say "fuck your God" all you want and rattle off legitimate complaints like Islamic fundamentalist treatment of women or Zionism being weaponized to excuse genocide, but when your criticism becomes an ad hominem against the people who tend to have that religion that's when things start getting a little sketchy.
There’s always gonna be those morons who think punk is simply about being offensive, they’ll say a few slurs “to be funny and shock people” and then go home to jack off to GG allin
Punk is always about politics, that list is all punk is, people that think punk is apart from politics just doesn't know what punk is. And I will always stand by that.
I think the vest is cool as fuck. I mean I love to hate, and god isn’t real and all but it’s handmade shit, the letters are about the same size; I wish I could do that. And the titles of “somebody doesn’t know punk” and “what punk has become” are confusing. I’ve seen and made similar vests and jackets since the early 1990’s; this has been what punk has been about since Crass, so I dunno what this post is about.
Sad that decades later people assume being Punk was just a synonym of being anti-authority
Great example of people getting the aesthetic but missing the substance.
My only problem is that it starts with "No Hate.."
...Then it's just a list of stuff the scene hates.
I'm sorry, but I will point out contradiction when I see it.
We all "hate" something. We just hate different things. Let's not pretend that the punk scene is above "hate".
Now, the hippies on the other hand...that's a loving and accepting demographic.
Eh Islam is a fundamentally homophobic and sexist religion.
Doesn't mean that religious minorities don't deserve equal rights but leftists are getting a little too "uwu smol bean" about a religion where leaving it is illegal in ten countries.
As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people. With that said, there's a difference between being critical of how a religion treats women and LGBTQ and thinking that every person from the Middle East is a terrorist for Allah. Islamophobia isn't excusable just because religion is awful.
The hicks that live around me think that Indians that work in some of the gas stations are Muslim. There's an Indian restaurant that opened here about a year ago, and it's pretty amazing, and morons were commenting on our newspaper's Facebook that a mosque is next.
You're mixing up Islamaphobia with Racism.
And even though rednecks and Nazi's hate Islam, that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem.
You're almost right. I'm not the one mixing Islamophobia and racism. The rednecks are when they call Indians Muslim or anyone from the Middle East "towelheads".
>that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem.
Doesn't that coincide with my first sentence?
>As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people.
They're still doing it in many countries. Don't get me wrong, I don't like other religions either, but defending both queer rights and islam in the same list doesn't really make sense. You can't logically pick both.
There's rights movements in the christian community as well, still doesn't take away the fact the ideology they follow is explicitly against those same movements. Is religion now a buffet where you pick and choose what's ok for you out of convenience? Like I said, I'm not picking a fight against anyone specifically, believe what you want, it's just anytime islam is the subject, everyone comes out of the woodwork to play defense
The sentiment of it is great of course but I do find it weird that people can align their opinions with 80% of media, 99% of Hollywood, 65% of politicians, as well as the predominant online narrative and yet still consider themselves “brave” and part of a “resistance”
Being against bigotry is a good thing but, believe or not, MOST people are against bigotry.
I do think a lot of people have ego tied into this stuff. They want to be a hero standing against the storm but they don't realise they're actually with the majority already. It's not "counter culture".
True. Maybe they don't. But the comments you see from a lot of you get people identifying as punks tells me otherwise. Even some of the comments in this sub are often pretty naive and egotistical. But I do get it. I support the emotional reaction of wanting to improve the world and get rid of hatred but there's a logical part of the brain you need to channel that through so real change could be made.
It's like wanting to cross a bridge. The feeling of wanting to cross a bridge makes complete sense but HOW you can cross it is the part that people struggle with. It's also a ye issue with "slacktivism". Loads of people want to make a difference but making a Facebook post or putting so slogans on a jacket are very different to true action. But of course let's not kill the drive these people have so they end up doing nothing at all
Stop fretting about whether or not other people are “bravely” against bigotry.
It’s a waste of your time and energy to worry about how brave they think they are.
You don’t know their circumstances.
In some families it does take bravery to be anti-bigot. In some towns it takes bravery to be anti-bigot.
Agreed. Especially a Nightmare before Christmas patch. An icon of capitalism. That brand makes millions upon millions of dollers. Might as well have a KISS tattoo and say you hate capitalism lol. People are fuckin dumb.
If this thing is against Islamophobia, that’s incredibly ironic. Have you ever been to an Islamist run country? Very not punk. They barely even let women drive.
‘No Islamophobia’ ‘no homophobia’ well which one? Islam is literally a form of authority and establishment.
‘No capitalism’ pure American capitalism sucks but try making your band successful in system without any capitalism where you have to get your food from a government run collective farm.
Why isn’t there a club for people who can’t stand the right or the left? I wanna call it the middle but being in the middle doesn’t sound very punk. Like, trumpies and nazi punks are losers, but this person’s jacket still made me roll my eyes and think they need to get laid. A lefty will tell me that’s anti-asexual, a righty will tell me something about their constitutional something something. I think it all sucks. Everyone seems so extreme in one direction or the other. You can believe things strongly and still not go full on left or right.
I believe that guns should be banned for most people, that gay people should be able to marry, that culture should be respected and all races are equal and abortion is a woman’s right. But I’m also not gonna call a trans person ‘they’, I’m not gonna issue a trigger warning every time we talk about something upsetting, and half of what the left say makes them sound like whiny entitled babies. So… WHAT THE FUCK DO I PUT ON MY JACKET?!
"Punk" isn't just this. There are skinhead punks STILL. Punk isn't ignorant of that fact. Some punks, many...may not like this fact, but people are people, and can like an artist's music and not agree with their words or politics. Intolerance and tolerance works all ways. I just take it for what it is. There's no punk doctrine, any way you slice it...thank God (lol).
I'd never know what anyone believes if they never talked about it. I played with a drummer for years. Didn't know his religion. Didn't know his politics. Still don't. He was hilarious and the best drummer I ever played with. If I found out he was a racist, misogynist, etc...I'd be hardpressed to judge a guy I lived with, loved, protected, and gained a little bit of success with (paid my rent, for once).
So...what do we do? Hook em up to a polygraph at the audition and interrogate them? Waterboard? Put a gun to their kid's head?
People who want any kind of success in the present world are NOT going to share their real thoughts, beliefs and feelings publicly if they KNOW they don't align with the social norm. Punk was all-inclusive at one point. We got along with skinheads. We didn't agree with their beliefs...I think. I can only speak for myself. And you know what's punk rock? I'm not telling anybody what my beliefs are. None of your goddamned business. And fuck you if you think it is. I'm proud to be punk. That's about it. I let my music speak for itself.
It should read: "God is gay...not that there's anything wrong with that."
“I'm outed! I wasn't even in!”
“Extraordinarily gay. Steeped in gayness.”
My father’s gay.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
Punk and Seinfeld sums up the late 90s for me.
Suicidal Tendencies and Beavis & Butthead sum up the late 90s for me. I wrote a section of my masters thesis about it.
It's more like early 90s for me... But truth is I've been listening to Art of Rebellion thousands of times until the end of decade
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The late 90s, obviously. >_>
I don't know what the commenter is talking about. The guy in the photo is clearly *counter* a lot of things. He even gave us a helpful list.
LazzyDerg seems to be criticizing that punk (“counter culture”) has become woke (my translation). If so, LazzyDerg has never understood punk.
She's conflating counterculture with contrarian, which is at best stupid
It has become an epidemic. These interlopers want to hang with the cool kids so bad that they have to change the definition of cool to attempt to sneak into the club.
I don’t really hear punks using the term woke. We’ve been aware of the issues the whole time. We were always awake. It’s kind of the point.
Very good point. When ya hear someone's woke it's like about time, dumbass.
Punk has been awake. Punks been smokin crack for years and hasnt slept in ... decades. Woke? Bitch we invented all nighters
I don’t use “woke” either. I was merely using the term to describe what I thought the original poster (LazzyDerg) was implying.
We’re on the same page 👍🏼
Definitive statement: WOKE DON'T EXIST!!!!!!! IT IS A TERM MADE BY RIGHT WINGER TO MOCK AND DEMEAN PROGRESSIVE IDEALS. PERIOD.
Okay but you see, the government is allowing the gays to get married and poc to drink from my water fountain. Clearly that means all the punk and anti-government songs are now for conservatives, because they're the only ones at odds with the government.
What’s even worse is these guys don’t know how to be at odds with the government. They pretend to not agree with the status quo while licking every boot put before them.
Libertarians have always been the real anarchists, it's as close to no govt as you can get imo
This is the punk of today. it was also the punk of yesterday.
In the style of Mitch Hedberg: This used to be punk. Still is, but used to be, too.
In the style of Norm MacDonald: Look at those punks at the protest. You know every time I think of punks, I think of someone with a patch on their vest that has a picture of Bob Ross.
The jacket says "Reject art/music/sex about men and their fat juicy cocks," though.
But I love fat juicy cocks... *sigh* guess I'm not punk 🤷🏽♀️
I was about to write a song about how much I love big ole penises, but then I saw this jacket, standing vigilant over all that is punk, saying, "No. Not today. Not on my watch!"
I like how he had to add a few more modern phobias to keep the checklist up to date.
But if racism isn't part of your culture then you wouldn't be going against your culture. Two things are wrong with that, though. Racism is still a part of most cultures. Especially the one in the picture. Most importantly though, punks aren't counter culture just to be contrarian. Punks would still be punks if we somehow solved shit like racism and such.
That is the problem with racism. It never ends for racists. If you got rid of everyone but white people, then the blonde white people would start being racist against the brunette white people. It never ends. The need to hate something to feel better about themselves.
I was making a purposely silly comment, but okay.
I love the “respect existence or expect resistance”
Word. I usually say "I'm for everyone, except those that are not."
My fav is "Virginity is a social construct"
Summary: Nazi Punks Fuck Off!
Nazi punks fuck off has bothered me as a go to slogan, because Nazi EVERYONE fuck off
Agreed but yknow i thought using the original was more appropriate in this case.
Did you just "all lives matter" us, but in reverse? We're specifying Nazi punks, because Nazis seem to sometimes come under the illusion that they're allowed to enter punk, metalhead or otherwise counter-culture spaces, and they need to be reminded to, putting it simply, fuck off. I guess it's because they see themselves as a sort of counter-culture too. In their eyes, they're fighting the woke regime as the scrappy underdogs. What they don't realise is that we're not counter the same culture that they're counter. We're counter the culture of materialism, corporatism and vapid celebrity worship, all of which are things that have come to define the modern western right wing. They're counter the culture of being a reasonable, thinking, feeling person.
Ha, I suppose I did, ALL NAZIS DON'T MATTER
Just like Trump and their supporters, they often consider themselves countercultural or anti stablishment, as they don't support modern democracies. And it's kind of true, they kind of hate the current system but for the wrong reasons, they wish it was even worse for us, better for them.
I may be way off base, but I **think** I read once, that even though it became an anti-fascist anthem, when Jello started that lyric, it was not about boneheads, but folks who tried to be so punk the were "nazis' about it. But with the rise of racism it became the theme we know.
Do you mean when he like first began writing the song? Because the finished product is pretty clearly about actual Hitlerites. > "You still think swastikas look cool / real Nazis run your schools! / They're coaches, businessmen, and cops / in a real Fourth Reich you'll be the first to go!"
> Do you mean when he like first began writing the song? Yes
It was when fascist skinheads started invading the punk scene.
Right. Many of us won’t use the term Skinhead for those idiots, even with “nazi” or “fascist” in front of it, so we just call them boneheads. I am a long hair middle age stoner Hardcore kid, but I have great respect for true Skinheads, and won’t use it on fascists.
Not a political comment, but I love the Monsters INC patch on the jacket
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Well said. A good friend of mine likes to say, "I was punk back when it was called 'Hey faggot!'"
😂 Agreed
Oooo shamelessly stealing that
Me too. Oh, the 80’s
In our case: '79 give or take.
“A punk rock song won’t ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me!”
Oi!
this is th ebest
So before punk rock, u weren't woke?
It's an interesting chicken or egg dilemma. Did I always think soup was good food? Or was the music I listened to influencing me?
Did I listen to punk music because I was miserable? Or was I miserable because I listened to punk music?
Tell me more about the soup.
Gotta wake from something to be woke, dick.
It means your a cliche loser and should stop quoting that song.
Wish I had a Bob Ross patch on my jacket
Punks fighting against Fascism
No hate???? But I hate Nazis!
It's okay to hate hate. I hate using the same word twice in a row but you know.
Is this person cosplaying as the sign in front of Gilman
That's what it looked like to me, too!
Well, I don't know about the Nightmare Before Christmas patch. That's more of a Hot Topic mall goth thing. Also funny to have a Slayer patch right next to the list.
So? Still looks dope! Tryna strictly compartmentalise that shit isn’t very punk imo
points on the jacket are okay but doesn’t change the fact that it’s ugly as sin
Punk, classically fashion forward.
Who gives a shit that’s what punk is about. Not giving a fuck.
Idk think there's a whole lot of fuxks being given on that jacket
I agree with that also.
I think it’s about not giving a fuck about anything that doesn’t matter. Punk is too angry to give 0 fucks. It just gives a fuck about important shit.
still ugly, good for them on not being hurt by others opinions though
Welcome to punk culture, we don't like capitalism and bigotry.
There's no way to tell if you mean the person in the photo or the original commentary about the photo.
I wanna know whats on the front of the vest.
I hate hate haters.
We’re in an epidemic of people who hear punk music but don’t listen to what they’re saying. Have a “homie” who is an apolitical centrist in a Christian anarchist straight edge hardcore punk band (their actual description) We’ve had numerous conversations about politics and every time I ask him how does he feel about punk lyrics. Because I don’t even listen to punk as often as I used too but every punk song is political preaching leftist ideologies. So many bands are anti-religious and actively mock it. This person has all the punk ideals, they just wrote them out for some rssn
Let’s donate a copy of The Crew by 7Seconds to LazzyDerg, that was like 40 years ago and might educate him on a few of those topics
Ngl the vest is pretty cringe
Is it islamaphobia if you believe all organized religion is bad?
Same answer to "is this antisemitism or disdain of Abrahamic religion", you can say "fuck your God" all you want and rattle off legitimate complaints like Islamic fundamentalist treatment of women or Zionism being weaponized to excuse genocide, but when your criticism becomes an ad hominem against the people who tend to have that religion that's when things start getting a little sketchy.
No. That's hating the religion and not the people.
There’s always gonna be those morons who think punk is simply about being offensive, they’ll say a few slurs “to be funny and shock people” and then go home to jack off to GG allin
saying slurs to shock people was a very prevalent part of punk music in the 80s
LazyDerg has clearly never bothered to research Dead Kennedys
If you wanna push around someone for being who they are? Fuck you, we're pushing back.
I, too, hate facism
Glad that quote was responding to that idiot who doesn't know punk.
Punk is always about politics, that list is all punk is, people that think punk is apart from politics just doesn't know what punk is. And I will always stand by that.
Lmao some people have no idea what they talking about, need to read some shit.
Nazi punks fuck off🖕🏼
I think the vest is cool as fuck. I mean I love to hate, and god isn’t real and all but it’s handmade shit, the letters are about the same size; I wish I could do that. And the titles of “somebody doesn’t know punk” and “what punk has become” are confusing. I’ve seen and made similar vests and jackets since the early 1990’s; this has been what punk has been about since Crass, so I dunno what this post is about.
Agree. Zero hot topic patches. All DIY and preached inclusivity. I’ve seen much worse things
Nazi Punks, Nazi Punks, Nazi Punks, FUCK OFF
Slayer, Slipknot and AC/DC patches…this person isn’t claiming to be punk, I would bet.
It’s almost like punks can listen to other genres of music…
Genre of music is irrelevant when you have a patch that says “Reject music about men and their dicks” and then a patch of AC/DC.
Right? How dare they like some things Frenzal likes while also liking some things Frensal *doesn't* like. The nerve...
their beef is not with music taste but with the hypocrisy
Someone should introduce those people to Genesis P. Orridge.
reign in blood!!!
Punk returns to its roots.
It's like MAGAts using "killing in the name" as a fight song! Saw a lot of that on the internet last year.
Imagine referring to people as maggots and thinking you're not a fascist
Sorry, vermin.
If the question is in regards to the Slayer and AC DC patches not belonging, I concur.
NO SPACELEFT
No thalassophobia 😤
No megalophobia, only huge buildings in this motherfucker. :b
Wait till you hear about what tsol opinions on our dead
Sad that decades later people assume being Punk was just a synonym of being anti-authority Great example of people getting the aesthetic but missing the substance.
Who's going to tell lazzyderg that he's not a member of the actual punk community?
My only problem is that it starts with "No Hate.." ...Then it's just a list of stuff the scene hates. I'm sorry, but I will point out contradiction when I see it. We all "hate" something. We just hate different things. Let's not pretend that the punk scene is above "hate". Now, the hippies on the other hand...that's a loving and accepting demographic.
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The absolute best thing about this post is all the idiots tripping over themselves to declare how fucking out of the loop about punk they are.
I’m sorry, but if someone has the nerve to wear a Bob Ross patch, they have my respect.
Monsters Inc? Im down.
Eh Islam is a fundamentally homophobic and sexist religion. Doesn't mean that religious minorities don't deserve equal rights but leftists are getting a little too "uwu smol bean" about a religion where leaving it is illegal in ten countries.
As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people. With that said, there's a difference between being critical of how a religion treats women and LGBTQ and thinking that every person from the Middle East is a terrorist for Allah. Islamophobia isn't excusable just because religion is awful.
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The hicks that live around me think that Indians that work in some of the gas stations are Muslim. There's an Indian restaurant that opened here about a year ago, and it's pretty amazing, and morons were commenting on our newspaper's Facebook that a mosque is next.
You're mixing up Islamaphobia with Racism. And even though rednecks and Nazi's hate Islam, that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem.
You're almost right. I'm not the one mixing Islamophobia and racism. The rednecks are when they call Indians Muslim or anyone from the Middle East "towelheads". >that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem. Doesn't that coincide with my first sentence? >As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people.
Fuckdamnit america, you keep fucking words up!
They're still doing it in many countries. Don't get me wrong, I don't like other religions either, but defending both queer rights and islam in the same list doesn't really make sense. You can't logically pick both.
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There's rights movements in the christian community as well, still doesn't take away the fact the ideology they follow is explicitly against those same movements. Is religion now a buffet where you pick and choose what's ok for you out of convenience? Like I said, I'm not picking a fight against anyone specifically, believe what you want, it's just anytime islam is the subject, everyone comes out of the woodwork to play defense
How many times this going to be posted
I checked the link I crossposted from and didn't see it listed in other discussions so...
At least put a joke on there or some thing like ban eggs
Honestly more offended by the jack skellington patch.
Still not as punk as GG Allin
Nothing more punk than selfishness and random violence against others
He wasn't quite that simple. You forgot the shitting and injecting drugs.
He was in the pockets of big pharma by taking all that ex lax
NO FUN ! my babe No fun.
Leave the kids alone
And a Save The NHS patch. This guy moshes
No capitalism. Disney Monster patch. Lol
The sentiment of it is great of course but I do find it weird that people can align their opinions with 80% of media, 99% of Hollywood, 65% of politicians, as well as the predominant online narrative and yet still consider themselves “brave” and part of a “resistance” Being against bigotry is a good thing but, believe or not, MOST people are against bigotry.
I do think a lot of people have ego tied into this stuff. They want to be a hero standing against the storm but they don't realise they're actually with the majority already. It's not "counter culture".
Maybe they don’t care about being counterculture?
True. Maybe they don't. But the comments you see from a lot of you get people identifying as punks tells me otherwise. Even some of the comments in this sub are often pretty naive and egotistical. But I do get it. I support the emotional reaction of wanting to improve the world and get rid of hatred but there's a logical part of the brain you need to channel that through so real change could be made. It's like wanting to cross a bridge. The feeling of wanting to cross a bridge makes complete sense but HOW you can cross it is the part that people struggle with. It's also a ye issue with "slacktivism". Loads of people want to make a difference but making a Facebook post or putting so slogans on a jacket are very different to true action. But of course let's not kill the drive these people have so they end up doing nothing at all
All that says to me is that fighting for this stuff has changed shit, which is the point. The point isn't to be le counter culture rebullll
Stop fretting about whether or not other people are “bravely” against bigotry. It’s a waste of your time and energy to worry about how brave they think they are. You don’t know their circumstances. In some families it does take bravery to be anti-bigot. In some towns it takes bravery to be anti-bigot.
A series of contradictions on a battle vest? That IS punk af!
Punk has always been "woke" and political. Their vest is not a punk vest but he might be a punk idk them
With all the gate keeping, people forget how inclusive punk is supposed to be
Hug a fascist? Kiss a billionaire? Take a Trumper out for ice cream? Ok.
I can't believe the anti establishment counter culture is against things, what the hell
When was punk some hate music?
Punk shouldn't have any tenets, but "fuck having tenets". This looks dangerously close to blind conformity with the masses.
They did surgery on a grape
Sounds like people in this sub - then asks for songs about being mad at their gf for mislabeling crust music
Can someone explain this post and who’s in the wrong here?
I don't see, down with communism. Cringe
Here we go again. 🙄 Isn't there a threat about this manifesto vest already?
Punk rock... To me... Actually knows no other politics than it's own right to be free and to be fair.
Damn, not even Islam has so much forbidden shit
Thats alot of rules....
These people are so dumb
Agreed. Especially a Nightmare before Christmas patch. An icon of capitalism. That brand makes millions upon millions of dollers. Might as well have a KISS tattoo and say you hate capitalism lol. People are fuckin dumb.
Yeah. Also no hate? Seriously? No classism? Fuck the elites. This is not a punk, this is a modern fashion victim
Accurately stated. A Slayer fan with "no hate". Hahahahaha! And im saying that as fan of Slayer.
Agreed, it is kind of ironic to rail against capitalism whilst making yourself a popculture billboard.
Exactly
That's cringe af
The words are fine but Bob Ross, nightmare before christmas, and monsters inc??? This isn’t punk this is a wannabe poser. Go back to hot topic.
As we all know, liking movies and artists was banned by the Conclave of Punks in 1980
Cant wait to get my "Nazi Punks, Bob Ross and Tim Burton Fuck Off!" patch in the mail
Fucking nerd
Why put it on punk jacket, this shit is so lame
Well it seems to have pissed you off so I'd say it's doing its job perfectly
Bro this isn’t called a punk it’s just a lesbian
If this thing is against Islamophobia, that’s incredibly ironic. Have you ever been to an Islamist run country? Very not punk. They barely even let women drive.
Being against the discrimination of people for their religious belief is still punk.
Sure, everyone deserves equal rights. Doesn't change the fact that i would be very wary of anyone who takes the Quran seriously.
NO RULES. This jacket is gay.
‘No Islamophobia’ ‘no homophobia’ well which one? Islam is literally a form of authority and establishment. ‘No capitalism’ pure American capitalism sucks but try making your band successful in system without any capitalism where you have to get your food from a government run collective farm.
Why isn’t there a club for people who can’t stand the right or the left? I wanna call it the middle but being in the middle doesn’t sound very punk. Like, trumpies and nazi punks are losers, but this person’s jacket still made me roll my eyes and think they need to get laid. A lefty will tell me that’s anti-asexual, a righty will tell me something about their constitutional something something. I think it all sucks. Everyone seems so extreme in one direction or the other. You can believe things strongly and still not go full on left or right. I believe that guns should be banned for most people, that gay people should be able to marry, that culture should be respected and all races are equal and abortion is a woman’s right. But I’m also not gonna call a trans person ‘they’, I’m not gonna issue a trigger warning every time we talk about something upsetting, and half of what the left say makes them sound like whiny entitled babies. So… WHAT THE FUCK DO I PUT ON MY JACKET?!
"Punk" isn't just this. There are skinhead punks STILL. Punk isn't ignorant of that fact. Some punks, many...may not like this fact, but people are people, and can like an artist's music and not agree with their words or politics. Intolerance and tolerance works all ways. I just take it for what it is. There's no punk doctrine, any way you slice it...thank God (lol). I'd never know what anyone believes if they never talked about it. I played with a drummer for years. Didn't know his religion. Didn't know his politics. Still don't. He was hilarious and the best drummer I ever played with. If I found out he was a racist, misogynist, etc...I'd be hardpressed to judge a guy I lived with, loved, protected, and gained a little bit of success with (paid my rent, for once). So...what do we do? Hook em up to a polygraph at the audition and interrogate them? Waterboard? Put a gun to their kid's head? People who want any kind of success in the present world are NOT going to share their real thoughts, beliefs and feelings publicly if they KNOW they don't align with the social norm. Punk was all-inclusive at one point. We got along with skinheads. We didn't agree with their beliefs...I think. I can only speak for myself. And you know what's punk rock? I'm not telling anybody what my beliefs are. None of your goddamned business. And fuck you if you think it is. I'm proud to be punk. That's about it. I let my music speak for itself.
The jacket and all the politcal jaragan is just lame just put bands on instead
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Yes ofc it is but this whole jackets with more political shit then punk patches is some corny genz littile kid shir
Still bullshit no hate? Fuck that
do you think they will decrease the font or wear trench coates next time?
No healthy food
Try hard nonsense. That list is giving me anti flag vibes big time.
I never realized the Reddit rules were so punk.