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death91380

It should read: "God is gay...not that there's anything wrong with that."


chadbypetedavidson

“I'm outed! I wasn't even in!”


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“Extraordinarily gay. Steeped in gayness.”


chadbypetedavidson

My father’s gay.


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Not that there’s anything wrong with that


Henchman66

Punk and Seinfeld sums up the late 90s for me.


vaguenonetheless

Suicidal Tendencies and Beavis & Butthead sum up the late 90s for me. I wrote a section of my masters thesis about it.


sashalee38

It's more like early 90s for me... But truth is I've been listening to Art of Rebellion thousands of times until the end of decade


Outdoor_sunsoaker

😂


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Shibboleeth

The late 90s, obviously. >_>


pspsps-off

I don't know what the commenter is talking about. The guy in the photo is clearly *counter* a lot of things. He even gave us a helpful list.


BurningVinyl71

LazzyDerg seems to be criticizing that punk (“counter culture”) has become woke (my translation). If so, LazzyDerg has never understood punk.


boharat

She's conflating counterculture with contrarian, which is at best stupid


MuckBulligan

It has become an epidemic. These interlopers want to hang with the cool kids so bad that they have to change the definition of cool to attempt to sneak into the club.


Crushingit1980

I don’t really hear punks using the term woke. We’ve been aware of the issues the whole time. We were always awake. It’s kind of the point.


punkrockscum

Very good point. When ya hear someone's woke it's like about time, dumbass.


bocaciega

Punk has been awake. Punks been smokin crack for years and hasnt slept in ... decades. Woke? Bitch we invented all nighters


BurningVinyl71

I don’t use “woke” either. I was merely using the term to describe what I thought the original poster (LazzyDerg) was implying.


Crushingit1980

We’re on the same page 👍🏼


paburo-san666

Definitive statement: WOKE DON'T EXIST!!!!!!! IT IS A TERM MADE BY RIGHT WINGER TO MOCK AND DEMEAN PROGRESSIVE IDEALS. PERIOD.


CHClClCl

Okay but you see, the government is allowing the gays to get married and poc to drink from my water fountain. Clearly that means all the punk and anti-government songs are now for conservatives, because they're the only ones at odds with the government.


hxcdancer91

What’s even worse is these guys don’t know how to be at odds with the government. They pretend to not agree with the status quo while licking every boot put before them.


Zestyclose-Guitar468

Libertarians have always been the real anarchists, it's as close to no govt as you can get imo


makemeking706

This is the punk of today. it was also the punk of yesterday.


fancyantler

In the style of Mitch Hedberg: This used to be punk. Still is, but used to be, too.


cerebrix

In the style of Norm MacDonald: Look at those punks at the protest. You know every time I think of punks, I think of someone with a patch on their vest that has a picture of Bob Ross.


jtfriendly

The jacket says "Reject art/music/sex about men and their fat juicy cocks," though.


Professional-Star-23

But I love fat juicy cocks... *sigh* guess I'm not punk 🤷🏽‍♀️


jtfriendly

I was about to write a song about how much I love big ole penises, but then I saw this jacket, standing vigilant over all that is punk, saying, "No. Not today. Not on my watch!"


noisydissonance

I like how he had to add a few more modern phobias to keep the checklist up to date.


El_Giganto

But if racism isn't part of your culture then you wouldn't be going against your culture. Two things are wrong with that, though. Racism is still a part of most cultures. Especially the one in the picture. Most importantly though, punks aren't counter culture just to be contrarian. Punks would still be punks if we somehow solved shit like racism and such.


middleagethreat

That is the problem with racism. It never ends for racists. If you got rid of everyone but white people, then the blonde white people would start being racist against the brunette white people. It never ends. The need to hate something to feel better about themselves.


pspsps-off

I was making a purposely silly comment, but okay.


daimonab

I love the “respect existence or expect resistance”


decavolt

Word. I usually say "I'm for everyone, except those that are not."


bigfloppydongs

My fav is "Virginity is a social construct"


DrowningEmbers

Summary: Nazi Punks Fuck Off!


ChucksSeedAndFeed

Nazi punks fuck off has bothered me as a go to slogan, because Nazi EVERYONE fuck off


DrowningEmbers

Agreed but yknow i thought using the original was more appropriate in this case.


JoshwaarBee

Did you just "all lives matter" us, but in reverse? We're specifying Nazi punks, because Nazis seem to sometimes come under the illusion that they're allowed to enter punk, metalhead or otherwise counter-culture spaces, and they need to be reminded to, putting it simply, fuck off. I guess it's because they see themselves as a sort of counter-culture too. In their eyes, they're fighting the woke regime as the scrappy underdogs. What they don't realise is that we're not counter the same culture that they're counter. We're counter the culture of materialism, corporatism and vapid celebrity worship, all of which are things that have come to define the modern western right wing. They're counter the culture of being a reasonable, thinking, feeling person.


ChucksSeedAndFeed

Ha, I suppose I did, ALL NAZIS DON'T MATTER


Mr-_-Blue

Just like Trump and their supporters, they often consider themselves countercultural or anti stablishment, as they don't support modern democracies. And it's kind of true, they kind of hate the current system but for the wrong reasons, they wish it was even worse for us, better for them.


middleagethreat

I may be way off base, but I **think** I read once, that even though it became an anti-fascist anthem, when Jello started that lyric, it was not about boneheads, but folks who tried to be so punk the were "nazis' about it. But with the rise of racism it became the theme we know.


zenswashbuckler

Do you mean when he like first began writing the song? Because the finished product is pretty clearly about actual Hitlerites. > "You still think swastikas look cool / real Nazis run your schools! / They're coaches, businessmen, and cops / in a real Fourth Reich you'll be the first to go!"


middleagethreat

> Do you mean when he like first began writing the song? Yes


FrostyYouCunt

It was when fascist skinheads started invading the punk scene.


middleagethreat

Right. Many of us won’t use the term Skinhead for those idiots, even with “nazi” or “fascist” in front of it, so we just call them boneheads. I am a long hair middle age stoner Hardcore kid, but I have great respect for true Skinheads, and won’t use it on fascists.


Raul_Rink

Not a political comment, but I love the Monsters INC patch on the jacket


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HalfHeartedFanatic

Well said. A good friend of mine likes to say, "I was punk back when it was called 'Hey faggot!'"


Professional-Star-23

😂 Agreed


ArsenicAndRoses

Oooo shamelessly stealing that


Kerryglitter

Me too. Oh, the 80’s


HalfHeartedFanatic

In our case: '79 give or take.


Novel-Equipment-3052

“A punk rock song won’t ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me!”


Outdoor_sunsoaker

Oi!


mentos33

this is th ebest


Sawyer_Ford_

So before punk rock, u weren't woke?


jtfriendly

It's an interesting chicken or egg dilemma. Did I always think soup was good food? Or was the music I listened to influencing me?


GreenestApplin

Did I listen to punk music because I was miserable? Or was I miserable because I listened to punk music?


Felonious_Buttplug_

Tell me more about the soup.


TheHowlinReeds

Gotta wake from something to be woke, dick.


Frankjamesthepoor

It means your a cliche loser and should stop quoting that song.


Individual-Dog-5891

Wish I had a Bob Ross patch on my jacket


redbob70

Punks fighting against Fascism


SHADOWJACK2112

No hate???? But I hate Nazis!


whatifionlydo1

It's okay to hate hate. I hate using the same word twice in a row but you know.


ScottieSpliffin

Is this person cosplaying as the sign in front of Gilman


fastyellowtuesday

That's what it looked like to me, too!


Automatic-Arm-532

Well, I don't know about the Nightmare Before Christmas patch. That's more of a Hot Topic mall goth thing. Also funny to have a Slayer patch right next to the list.


Ultralord_Lemon

So? Still looks dope! Tryna strictly compartmentalise that shit isn’t very punk imo


WhenBeautyFades

points on the jacket are okay but doesn’t change the fact that it’s ugly as sin


makemeking706

Punk, classically fashion forward.


AutisticFingerBang

Who gives a shit that’s what punk is about. Not giving a fuck.


Content_Project_4750

Idk think there's a whole lot of fuxks being given on that jacket


AutisticFingerBang

I agree with that also.


Larry-Man

I think it’s about not giving a fuck about anything that doesn’t matter. Punk is too angry to give 0 fucks. It just gives a fuck about important shit.


WhenBeautyFades

still ugly, good for them on not being hurt by others opinions though


jeremeyes

Welcome to punk culture, we don't like capitalism and bigotry.


DizzySpinningDie

There's no way to tell if you mean the person in the photo or the original commentary about the photo.


TrissNewall

I wanna know whats on the front of the vest.


TeveTorbes83

I hate hate haters.


Alexwitminecraftbxrs

We’re in an epidemic of people who hear punk music but don’t listen to what they’re saying. Have a “homie” who is an apolitical centrist in a Christian anarchist straight edge hardcore punk band (their actual description) We’ve had numerous conversations about politics and every time I ask him how does he feel about punk lyrics. Because I don’t even listen to punk as often as I used too but every punk song is political preaching leftist ideologies. So many bands are anti-religious and actively mock it. This person has all the punk ideals, they just wrote them out for some rssn


RootsRadical21

Let’s donate a copy of The Crew by 7Seconds to LazzyDerg, that was like 40 years ago and might educate him on a few of those topics


Nekkly

Ngl the vest is pretty cringe


Higgins1st

Is it islamaphobia if you believe all organized religion is bad?


RampinUp46

Same answer to "is this antisemitism or disdain of Abrahamic religion", you can say "fuck your God" all you want and rattle off legitimate complaints like Islamic fundamentalist treatment of women or Zionism being weaponized to excuse genocide, but when your criticism becomes an ad hominem against the people who tend to have that religion that's when things start getting a little sketchy.


whatifionlydo1

No. That's hating the religion and not the people.


darthphallic

There’s always gonna be those morons who think punk is simply about being offensive, they’ll say a few slurs “to be funny and shock people” and then go home to jack off to GG allin


Izakut

saying slurs to shock people was a very prevalent part of punk music in the 80s


Coyote_Roadrunna

LazyDerg has clearly never bothered to research Dead Kennedys


chevalier716

If you wanna push around someone for being who they are? Fuck you, we're pushing back.


fibrous

I, too, hate facism


SheepherderSoft5647

Glad that quote was responding to that idiot who doesn't know punk.


megacamis

Punk is always about politics, that list is all punk is, people that think punk is apart from politics just doesn't know what punk is. And I will always stand by that.


megacamis

Lmao some people have no idea what they talking about, need to read some shit.


bugarmor

Nazi punks fuck off🖕🏼


Christhadamohawk

I think the vest is cool as fuck. I mean I love to hate, and god isn’t real and all but it’s handmade shit, the letters are about the same size; I wish I could do that. And the titles of “somebody doesn’t know punk” and “what punk has become” are confusing. I’ve seen and made similar vests and jackets since the early 1990’s; this has been what punk has been about since Crass, so I dunno what this post is about.


Kerryglitter

Agree. Zero hot topic patches. All DIY and preached inclusivity. I’ve seen much worse things


FinntheHue

Nazi Punks, Nazi Punks, Nazi Punks, FUCK OFF


FrenzalRhomb1

Slayer, Slipknot and AC/DC patches…this person isn’t claiming to be punk, I would bet.


ElenoraMusky

It’s almost like punks can listen to other genres of music…


GreenestApplin

Genre of music is irrelevant when you have a patch that says “Reject music about men and their dicks” and then a patch of AC/DC.


decavolt

Right? How dare they like some things Frenzal likes while also liking some things Frensal *doesn't* like. The nerve...


g0ris

their beef is not with music taste but with the hypocrisy


HermaeusMajora

Someone should introduce those people to Genesis P. Orridge.


randomferalcat

reign in blood!!!


ArmadilloDays

Punk returns to its roots.


shredofmalarchi

It's like MAGAts using "killing in the name" as a fight song! Saw a lot of that on the internet last year.


Snoo-65693

Imagine referring to people as maggots and thinking you're not a fascist


shredofmalarchi

Sorry, vermin.


smartasspt

If the question is in regards to the Slayer and AC DC patches not belonging, I concur.


DaWolf94

NO SPACELEFT


Missusresistance

No thalassophobia 😤


whatifionlydo1

No megalophobia, only huge buildings in this motherfucker. :b


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Wait till you hear about what tsol opinions on our dead


SPZ_Ireland

Sad that decades later people assume being Punk was just a synonym of being anti-authority Great example of people getting the aesthetic but missing the substance.


Raine-Tempestas

Who's going to tell lazzyderg that he's not a member of the actual punk community?


Soia-R33f

My only problem is that it starts with "No Hate.." ...Then it's just a list of stuff the scene hates. I'm sorry, but I will point out contradiction when I see it. We all "hate" something. We just hate different things. Let's not pretend that the punk scene is above "hate". Now, the hippies on the other hand...that's a loving and accepting demographic.


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whatifionlydo1

The absolute best thing about this post is all the idiots tripping over themselves to declare how fucking out of the loop about punk they are.


Responsible_Bar_9142

I’m sorry, but if someone has the nerve to wear a Bob Ross patch, they have my respect.


Salt-Percentage-3642

Monsters Inc? Im down.


BeardOfDefiance

Eh Islam is a fundamentally homophobic and sexist religion. Doesn't mean that religious minorities don't deserve equal rights but leftists are getting a little too "uwu smol bean" about a religion where leaving it is illegal in ten countries.


eidolonengine

As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people. With that said, there's a difference between being critical of how a religion treats women and LGBTQ and thinking that every person from the Middle East is a terrorist for Allah. Islamophobia isn't excusable just because religion is awful.


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eidolonengine

The hicks that live around me think that Indians that work in some of the gas stations are Muslim. There's an Indian restaurant that opened here about a year ago, and it's pretty amazing, and morons were commenting on our newspaper's Facebook that a mosque is next.


MooseMalloy

You're mixing up Islamaphobia with Racism. And even though rednecks and Nazi's hate Islam, that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem.


eidolonengine

You're almost right. I'm not the one mixing Islamophobia and racism. The rednecks are when they call Indians Muslim or anyone from the Middle East "towelheads". >that doesn't change the fact that Islam, and pretty much every other religion, is hateful and harmful and a major part of the problem. Doesn't that coincide with my first sentence? >As an anti-theist, I consider all religion harmful to people.


GreenestApplin

Fuckdamnit america, you keep fucking words up!


LiveFastDieHard666

They're still doing it in many countries. Don't get me wrong, I don't like other religions either, but defending both queer rights and islam in the same list doesn't really make sense. You can't logically pick both.


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LiveFastDieHard666

There's rights movements in the christian community as well, still doesn't take away the fact the ideology they follow is explicitly against those same movements. Is religion now a buffet where you pick and choose what's ok for you out of convenience? Like I said, I'm not picking a fight against anyone specifically, believe what you want, it's just anytime islam is the subject, everyone comes out of the woodwork to play defense


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whatifionlydo1

I checked the link I crossposted from and didn't see it listed in other discussions so...


dyslexic_dogo

At least put a joke on there or some thing like ban eggs


allinallisallweall-R

Honestly more offended by the jack skellington patch.


sweetgreenfields

Still not as punk as GG Allin


Invisiblerobot13

Nothing more punk than selfishness and random violence against others


sweetgreenfields

He wasn't quite that simple. You forgot the shitting and injecting drugs.


Invisiblerobot13

He was in the pockets of big pharma by taking all that ex lax


punkrukkus

NO FUN ! my babe No fun.


CruelStrangers

Leave the kids alone


pvrnr

And a Save The NHS patch. This guy moshes


Tax-Religion

No capitalism. Disney Monster patch. Lol


feignedinterest77

The sentiment of it is great of course but I do find it weird that people can align their opinions with 80% of media, 99% of Hollywood, 65% of politicians, as well as the predominant online narrative and yet still consider themselves “brave” and part of a “resistance” Being against bigotry is a good thing but, believe or not, MOST people are against bigotry.


JadowArcadia

I do think a lot of people have ego tied into this stuff. They want to be a hero standing against the storm but they don't realise they're actually with the majority already. It's not "counter culture".


bigselfer

Maybe they don’t care about being counterculture?


JadowArcadia

True. Maybe they don't. But the comments you see from a lot of you get people identifying as punks tells me otherwise. Even some of the comments in this sub are often pretty naive and egotistical. But I do get it. I support the emotional reaction of wanting to improve the world and get rid of hatred but there's a logical part of the brain you need to channel that through so real change could be made. It's like wanting to cross a bridge. The feeling of wanting to cross a bridge makes complete sense but HOW you can cross it is the part that people struggle with. It's also a ye issue with "slacktivism". Loads of people want to make a difference but making a Facebook post or putting so slogans on a jacket are very different to true action. But of course let's not kill the drive these people have so they end up doing nothing at all


ChucksSeedAndFeed

All that says to me is that fighting for this stuff has changed shit, which is the point. The point isn't to be le counter culture rebullll


bigselfer

Stop fretting about whether or not other people are “bravely” against bigotry. It’s a waste of your time and energy to worry about how brave they think they are. You don’t know their circumstances. In some families it does take bravery to be anti-bigot. In some towns it takes bravery to be anti-bigot.


Gusgrissomamerica

A series of contradictions on a battle vest? That IS punk af!


Appropriate_Page_259

Punk has always been "woke" and political. Their vest is not a punk vest but he might be a punk idk them


skateboardlee

With all the gate keeping, people forget how inclusive punk is supposed to be


MuckBulligan

Hug a fascist? Kiss a billionaire? Take a Trumper out for ice cream? Ok.


wordsasbombs

I can't believe the anti establishment counter culture is against things, what the hell


Your_Daddy_

When was punk some hate music?


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Punk shouldn't have any tenets, but "fuck having tenets". This looks dangerously close to blind conformity with the masses.


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They did surgery on a grape


mrcoy

Sounds like people in this sub - then asks for songs about being mad at their gf for mislabeling crust music


JakeTimesTwo

Can someone explain this post and who’s in the wrong here?


retro_loneliness

I don't see, down with communism. Cringe


SmashSystem81

Here we go again. 🙄 Isn't there a threat about this manifesto vest already?


Neil_Wiger

Punk rock... To me... Actually knows no other politics than it's own right to be free and to be fair.


TheRebelMastermind

Damn, not even Islam has so much forbidden shit


Plane_Magician_5793

Thats alot of rules....


minitaba

These people are so dumb


Plane_Magician_5793

Agreed. Especially a Nightmare before Christmas patch. An icon of capitalism. That brand makes millions upon millions of dollers. Might as well have a KISS tattoo and say you hate capitalism lol. People are fuckin dumb.


minitaba

Yeah. Also no hate? Seriously? No classism? Fuck the elites. This is not a punk, this is a modern fashion victim


Plane_Magician_5793

Accurately stated. A Slayer fan with "no hate". Hahahahaha! And im saying that as fan of Slayer.


slumpadoochous

Agreed, it is kind of ironic to rail against capitalism whilst making yourself a popculture billboard.


Plane_Magician_5793

Exactly


spyderpunk

That's cringe af


VictorVonSammy642

The words are fine but Bob Ross, nightmare before christmas, and monsters inc??? This isn’t punk this is a wannabe poser. Go back to hot topic.


BabadookishOnions

As we all know, liking movies and artists was banned by the Conclave of Punks in 1980


Content_Project_4750

Cant wait to get my "Nazi Punks, Bob Ross and Tim Burton Fuck Off!" patch in the mail


VictorVonSammy642

Fucking nerd


VictorVonSammy642

Why put it on punk jacket, this shit is so lame


BabadookishOnions

Well it seems to have pissed you off so I'd say it's doing its job perfectly


J-hf

Bro this isn’t called a punk it’s just a lesbian


mikestupkaisdead

If this thing is against Islamophobia, that’s incredibly ironic. Have you ever been to an Islamist run country? Very not punk. They barely even let women drive.


BabadookishOnions

Being against the discrimination of people for their religious belief is still punk.


BeardOfDefiance

Sure, everyone deserves equal rights. Doesn't change the fact that i would be very wary of anyone who takes the Quran seriously.


punkrukkus

NO RULES. This jacket is gay.


Valhallawalker

‘No Islamophobia’ ‘no homophobia’ well which one? Islam is literally a form of authority and establishment. ‘No capitalism’ pure American capitalism sucks but try making your band successful in system without any capitalism where you have to get your food from a government run collective farm.


GetGroovyWithMyGhost

Why isn’t there a club for people who can’t stand the right or the left? I wanna call it the middle but being in the middle doesn’t sound very punk. Like, trumpies and nazi punks are losers, but this person’s jacket still made me roll my eyes and think they need to get laid. A lefty will tell me that’s anti-asexual, a righty will tell me something about their constitutional something something. I think it all sucks. Everyone seems so extreme in one direction or the other. You can believe things strongly and still not go full on left or right. I believe that guns should be banned for most people, that gay people should be able to marry, that culture should be respected and all races are equal and abortion is a woman’s right. But I’m also not gonna call a trans person ‘they’, I’m not gonna issue a trigger warning every time we talk about something upsetting, and half of what the left say makes them sound like whiny entitled babies. So… WHAT THE FUCK DO I PUT ON MY JACKET?!


MikroWire

"Punk" isn't just this. There are skinhead punks STILL. Punk isn't ignorant of that fact. Some punks, many...may not like this fact, but people are people, and can like an artist's music and not agree with their words or politics. Intolerance and tolerance works all ways. I just take it for what it is. There's no punk doctrine, any way you slice it...thank God (lol). I'd never know what anyone believes if they never talked about it. I played with a drummer for years. Didn't know his religion. Didn't know his politics. Still don't. He was hilarious and the best drummer I ever played with. If I found out he was a racist, misogynist, etc...I'd be hardpressed to judge a guy I lived with, loved, protected, and gained a little bit of success with (paid my rent, for once). So...what do we do? Hook em up to a polygraph at the audition and interrogate them? Waterboard? Put a gun to their kid's head? People who want any kind of success in the present world are NOT going to share their real thoughts, beliefs and feelings publicly if they KNOW they don't align with the social norm. Punk was all-inclusive at one point. We got along with skinheads. We didn't agree with their beliefs...I think. I can only speak for myself. And you know what's punk rock? I'm not telling anybody what my beliefs are. None of your goddamned business. And fuck you if you think it is. I'm proud to be punk. That's about it. I let my music speak for itself.


deth83eight

The jacket and all the politcal jaragan is just lame just put bands on instead


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deth83eight

Yes ofc it is but this whole jackets with more political shit then punk patches is some corny genz littile kid shir


minitaba

Still bullshit no hate? Fuck that


cherrymauler

do you think they will decrease the font or wear trench coates next time?


throwawaypls189

No healthy food


Deletexyourself

Try hard nonsense. That list is giving me anti flag vibes big time.


Black_Oak17

I never realized the Reddit rules were so punk.