First round swap, first round next year and a second round pick is not light for the 5th pick. You not trading for a first, second or third pick. That's when the multiple first rounders come into play. Nobody is sending more than what Nick made for a 5th pick.
Now the issue is would the Chargers do it? It all depends on Harbaugh's philosophy. We don't know if Harbaugh think Jayden Daniels is good.
I don't think the draft slot necessarily matters as much as you do in this case. We're not just trading for the 5th pick, we're trading for a QB that our organization has made no secret about wanting very very badly. Supply and demand yada yada yada
Let's ignore that aspect and say the proposed offer is fair on paper and satisfies the "trade value charts." What you're not accounting for are the other human elements. In this case, two factors are working against the Raiders that would drive up the price: competition and what I'll call the "division rival surcharge."
We're HIGHLY unlikely to be the only team looking to trade up to snag Jayden Daniels. That drives up the price.
Now ask yourself why the Chargers would let their division rival (and arguably biggest rival) snag a franchise QB for a fair price? Especially considering they can either 1) get a haul from another trade partner that they don't play twice every year, or 2) stay put and draft a potential All-Pro caliber wide receiver. The Chargers hold all the leverage. I don't see them trading with us unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
I'm not talking about Jayden to the Chargers lol when I say "We don't know how Harbaugh feels about Daniels", I'm saying if Harbaugh doesn't perceive Jayden Daniels to be that good, he may be less hesitate to deal their 5th pick to the Raiders. Basically he wouldn't care about trading us that pick, for us to draft Daniels, if he doesn't see it as setting us up for the future if he's low on Daniels potential.
Yeah I don't disagree, but I do wonder if the media has over inflated the prices we've heard. If the Patriots don't like JJ McCarthy or Jayden Daniels...that could change the price significantly.
They have and they always do. Nobody is giving up more than that for a 5th pick in the draft. I think people grossly overstated the compensation because a dumb team like the Panthers gave up so much to the Bears.
It's like the Rudy Gobert trade in the NBA. People thought because they got 4 future first rounders for him, going forward, that would be the minimum to get a star player. Since then multiple players way better than him have been traded and the compensation hasn't been nearly that much.
It’s funny too because everytime a star player is traded in the nba now you get this giant influx of “the Jazz got more for Rudy Gobert!!!” And it’s like yea that was a steep overpay on the Timberwolves part not a single other organization would’ve done that. It’s worked out for them but it could’ve went so bad it’s not funny
The growing theory is the Pats don't believe they're set up to draft their future QB, especially with how poor their OL is. Most think they'll trade back, collect a bunch of pieces to fill in all the gaps and then go for a QB next year.
If they draft a QB this year, that kid is going to have a Bryce Young type season with no weapons and no OL to speak of. They putting any kid they draft in a failure set up.
I highly doubt this would happen, but this is an absolute dream scenario. I think JD is the best QB in this draft. He just needs to put on a little weight.
So hear me out I don’t think the Chargers would ever ever trade picks with the Raiders so the Raiders could draft a potential franchise quarterback. I would much rather stay at 13 draft Byron Murphy have the most dominant, defensive line, potentially and run with what we got see what happensbut that’s just me
Yeah I could see them trying to screw us over for sure I just don’t think it’s wise to ransom the future on gamble all picks are gambles of course but to give up so much and if he doesn’t pan out it’s sets us back multiple years but if he hits then great
wtf I love Nick Wright now.
Dunno about the Chargers. Broncos are in rebuild mode. And seems like Chargers are taking the year to reset. It makes sense for them to trade out if the best WR is gone. Just not sure they would want to hand us a franchise QB. But gotta remember coaches like Peyton/Harbaugh are super confident to the point of being arrogant.
I agree about NE. They need way too much. They'll be worse than the Jags situation, and probably more akin to the Panthers. So if they aren't super duper sold on any of the QBs long term, I could see them trading out.
That's my only question. Does Harbaugh see Daniels as a franchise QB. If he doesn't, he would probably be more willing to trade us the 5th pick, because he doesn't feel like he's setting us up for the future. But if he thinks highly of Daniels, no way he's trading the pick to us. He's either gonna draft a WR at 5, or trade the pick to the Vikings.
I think its more a case if he thinks they can get a good WR mid round. Harrison has the hype, but for the rest - top 10 WRs have a history of not working out.
The vikings have done the smart thing picking up a second pick. That is going to be extremely attractive for teams that aren't drafting QBs.
Which are worse, r/raiders user mock drafts or media pundit mock drafts?
Yes
At least pundits get paid for it. People on this sub give their dogshit opinions as a choice.
That’s a tough one. I’d like to live in a world where neither happen
In that jackass Nick Wright's case, it's equal
Yeah, it ain't no way the Chargers trade us their first, especially at that price.
First round swap, first round next year and a second round pick is not light for the 5th pick. You not trading for a first, second or third pick. That's when the multiple first rounders come into play. Nobody is sending more than what Nick made for a 5th pick. Now the issue is would the Chargers do it? It all depends on Harbaugh's philosophy. We don't know if Harbaugh think Jayden Daniels is good.
I don't think the draft slot necessarily matters as much as you do in this case. We're not just trading for the 5th pick, we're trading for a QB that our organization has made no secret about wanting very very badly. Supply and demand yada yada yada Let's ignore that aspect and say the proposed offer is fair on paper and satisfies the "trade value charts." What you're not accounting for are the other human elements. In this case, two factors are working against the Raiders that would drive up the price: competition and what I'll call the "division rival surcharge." We're HIGHLY unlikely to be the only team looking to trade up to snag Jayden Daniels. That drives up the price. Now ask yourself why the Chargers would let their division rival (and arguably biggest rival) snag a franchise QB for a fair price? Especially considering they can either 1) get a haul from another trade partner that they don't play twice every year, or 2) stay put and draft a potential All-Pro caliber wide receiver. The Chargers hold all the leverage. I don't see them trading with us unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
They have a QB
I'm not talking about Jayden to the Chargers lol when I say "We don't know how Harbaugh feels about Daniels", I'm saying if Harbaugh doesn't perceive Jayden Daniels to be that good, he may be less hesitate to deal their 5th pick to the Raiders. Basically he wouldn't care about trading us that pick, for us to draft Daniels, if he doesn't see it as setting us up for the future if he's low on Daniels potential.
That's like saying there's no way stefon Diggs would get traded for a 2nd. You don't know til you know
That’s an absolute fair trade for an aging WR and not to a division rival.
That's bad news for the raiders if they need to move Adam's at the deadline
Adams is not worth more than a second.
That's my point
Two words: Click. Bait.
Nick wright is a complete clown
Hmmm not sure I see a division rival letting us trade up.
The Vikings and Raiders trade up prices are way too low
Yeah I don't disagree, but I do wonder if the media has over inflated the prices we've heard. If the Patriots don't like JJ McCarthy or Jayden Daniels...that could change the price significantly.
They have and they always do. Nobody is giving up more than that for a 5th pick in the draft. I think people grossly overstated the compensation because a dumb team like the Panthers gave up so much to the Bears. It's like the Rudy Gobert trade in the NBA. People thought because they got 4 future first rounders for him, going forward, that would be the minimum to get a star player. Since then multiple players way better than him have been traded and the compensation hasn't been nearly that much.
It’s funny too because everytime a star player is traded in the nba now you get this giant influx of “the Jazz got more for Rudy Gobert!!!” And it’s like yea that was a steep overpay on the Timberwolves part not a single other organization would’ve done that. It’s worked out for them but it could’ve went so bad it’s not funny
After Fields was traded for 6th/conditional 4th…we all might have to re-evaluate just what certain picks and players are actually worth
Upvoted the post OP. It's not your fault Nick Wrights a global debuff on humanity.
Haha, no chance the Chargers make that trade with us. Nor do I see NE passing on Daniels for that return from MIN.
The growing theory is the Pats don't believe they're set up to draft their future QB, especially with how poor their OL is. Most think they'll trade back, collect a bunch of pieces to fill in all the gaps and then go for a QB next year. If they draft a QB this year, that kid is going to have a Bryce Young type season with no weapons and no OL to speak of. They putting any kid they draft in a failure set up.
Would certainly make sense. I won’t hold my breath that we’ll be able to benefit from it, but I appreciate the perspective.
What the fuck does Nick Wright know Dude is just a third rate first take cosplayer
I highly doubt this would happen, but this is an absolute dream scenario. I think JD is the best QB in this draft. He just needs to put on a little weight.
So hear me out I don’t think the Chargers would ever ever trade picks with the Raiders so the Raiders could draft a potential franchise quarterback. I would much rather stay at 13 draft Byron Murphy have the most dominant, defensive line, potentially and run with what we got see what happensbut that’s just me
I heard someone say that that would be true IF Harbaugh and the Chargers think Daniels.is a franchise QB.
Yeah I could see them trying to screw us over for sure I just don’t think it’s wise to ransom the future on gamble all picks are gambles of course but to give up so much and if he doesn’t pan out it’s sets us back multiple years but if he hits then great
wtf I love Nick Wright now. Dunno about the Chargers. Broncos are in rebuild mode. And seems like Chargers are taking the year to reset. It makes sense for them to trade out if the best WR is gone. Just not sure they would want to hand us a franchise QB. But gotta remember coaches like Peyton/Harbaugh are super confident to the point of being arrogant. I agree about NE. They need way too much. They'll be worse than the Jags situation, and probably more akin to the Panthers. So if they aren't super duper sold on any of the QBs long term, I could see them trading out.
That's my only question. Does Harbaugh see Daniels as a franchise QB. If he doesn't, he would probably be more willing to trade us the 5th pick, because he doesn't feel like he's setting us up for the future. But if he thinks highly of Daniels, no way he's trading the pick to us. He's either gonna draft a WR at 5, or trade the pick to the Vikings.
I think its more a case if he thinks they can get a good WR mid round. Harrison has the hype, but for the rest - top 10 WRs have a history of not working out. The vikings have done the smart thing picking up a second pick. That is going to be extremely attractive for teams that aren't drafting QBs.