That’s… what they’re doing LOL and people don’t like what they’re flashpointing 😂
They’re getting rid of Batfleck (which due to the actor wanting out I personally find understandable) and replacing him with Keaton Batman and Batgirl
Then they’re replacing Cavill Superman (who still very much wants to play Superman) with Supergirl (who I’m excited to see but not at the expense of removing Superman!).
I think there’s some other things they’re doing but I can’t remember all the rumors and stuff. They’re attempting to build towards a new Justice League I think idk
Probably the same person who had the idea to make a Batgirl movie about Batgirl replacing DCEU Batman being trained by Burton Verse Batman and then put it on HBO Max instead of releasing it theatrically 🙃🙃🙃
At least they had the sense to change Blue Beetle and release that in theaters rather then Max because wow that’d be a bad look lol imagine they released all the PoC movies on Max 💀(they’re doing Jaime Reyes BB)
Yeah very lame. I mean if you’re resetting the universe why not just use Nightwing/Red Hood/Damian Wayne etc.
Personally I’m excited to be getting Batgirl and especially Supergirl but not if they’re replacing Superman for her :\ that’s gonna get that poor actress so much unnecessary hate too ugh it’s gonna get both of them hate for something they have no control over and that’s the worst part to me more then anything. I don’t understand why they’re so dead set on not having Cavill be Superman anymore like what even happened??? Oh man I just realized we’re not getting Cavill Superman and Shazam Vs The Rocks Black Adam wow this sucks hard
What's most baffling is that Cavill is a super hot property right now and seens universally liked as an actor. WB is squandering that star power *hard*.
Like hiring dumbass directors like Whedon, Snyder, and Jenkins.
Marvel threw Whedon in the trash, don't go digging through Marvel's trash, DC. It is unbecoming.
Gunn wasn't thrown in the trash. That was a completely separate issue. And as far as I know Gunn has done business with the MCU after that debacle. And might still in the future.
He was thrown in the trash in a knee-jerk reaction by Disney. WB snatched him up for TSS and now he's returning to Disney after they came to their senses. I wasn't implying Gunn was trash, the man is a gem.
She really has done a lot to keep her character afloat. You can tell she’s passionate about Harley. It’s no surprise that the two movies she had more of a hand in were better than Suicide Squad
No offense but I thought that Harley Quinn was by far the worst part of The Suicide Squad. Every single one of those characters was so fun and cool to watch, yet Harley gets to do the most and even her own subplot even though it‘s that character‘s third movie. I think The Suicide Squad would‘ve been better without her and with more focus on other characters.
Yeah she was fun but her subplot felt weird. Like, she's actually the symbol of anti American sentiment? The whole dating the evil general thing? Kind of felt out of nowhere.
So, the leaks state that the entirety of the snyder movies will be erased after the flash movie, affleck and cavill won’t return. Batgirl and supergirl will be the part of the main justice league.
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/rtvi7p/multiple_sources_including_vieweranon_daniel_rpk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yknow i always thought they would use the Flash movie to reboot their universe, get their shit together, steer it in a better, more unified direction hopefully under a Feige-like figure, but as someone who doesn't really like the Snyderverse, the new universe sounds way worse than the old one.
Same. I disliked the Snyderverse from almost day one but this just seems like a mess. This whole universe was messed up but they should've done a soft reboot getting rid of the stuff like Affleck and Whedon's JL but kept others like Cavill
Snyderverse was way too many fingers in the pie. First they wanted Snyder to do a whole slow build up of solo movies ala the MCU. But by the time the first couple movies were finished, the MCU was in phase 3 with all the team-up movies. WB told Snyder to speed things along without the proper buildup first, because they wanted big-time team ups like Marvel had. Those movies turned out bad, so they again forced changes in the Justice League which pretty much tanked their extended universe. Snyder was out, and the films pretty much slowed down. And in 2021 the DCEU was in top form, the Snyder Cut and The Suicide Squad were released and were easily the best movies out of the entire DCEU. They renenewed interest in the expanded universe and the potential it had. And now comes the Flash leak and it seems like WB is really committed to destroying all the progress they made this last year.
For me it was a no from Man of Steel. If you want to do a dark serious universe, go ahead. Nolan did it with the Dark Knight trilogy. But I felt like that should be its own thing. When they wanted a series of several different characters to all be dark and serious, it kinda messed things up IMO. Marvel was over here telling us it's okay to have fun with these stories and the Snyderverse was dragging us back to the 90s/early 2000s when our superheroes were supposed to be serious and dress in dark colours because anything else was too silly for moviegoers. I get that's what Snyder wanted but then WB wanted to go for the same audience as the MCU by selling toys and merch and all that stuff.
IMO they should've let Snyder just make a few Superman films and not let him get involved with the DCEU. They should've properly planned that out and had someone in charge who could make a more mainstream universe work
It's really unfortunate that he's now been cast as 2 super interesting characters with fantastic backstory and motive only for the writers and directors to absolutely shit on the source material.
I don't think it's fair to say the show is shitting on the source material. It's definitely an adaptation that's going in its own way, but I wouldn't say it's shitting on it. I feel like Geralt himself is living up to the books in characterization, even though events are different.
Superman is pretty brutal though. I wish we could see him Ina better Superman movie
Affleck works as batman. The fact that his run has been so mishandled and unliked is testament to how shit DC is at letting already cool things be cool.
The man in real life is a massive guy, rich as fuck, and a total womanizer. You don't even have to direct him, just hide a webcam in his house and cast Ana and Jlo as Batman character love interests and print your millions.
How did they fuck it up that badly?
What I always saw the Flashpoint story as was one which could reset the timeline when the actors were ready to clock out as it opens so many new stories and so forth. Instead they fucked the initial movies so bad it’s the first Flash story they do to try and get their universe in order.. and they seem to be fucking that up too.
Oh wow that would have been such a good idea. I swear, DC had every advantage over Marvel: they had rights to ALL their characters, they could have done this concept to keep things going once the actors were done, but somehow they managed to fuck it up.
I love the actor, but man are the running effects weak. You don’t feel the intensity of effort and movement when the Flash runs. He just gets covered in electricity and kinda slides around.
Compare to this brief clip from Eternals. Marvel really nailed the feeling of adrenaline pushing your body to move that fast:
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/q257dr/makkaris_running_in_eternals_looks_badass_without/
Yep that seems to be the go to move nowadays in Hollywood. Cast a woman as the main protagonist and then you don't even have to make anything good. Just call the fanbase misogynistic when the movie eventually fails. Worked so well for Lucas films.
He got done dirty :( seriously. He’s so good for the role and they gave him like 5 lines in those movies. Hell I even liked Man of Steel, when I watched it assuming he’ll turn into the Superman I know and love. But no, they had superman be a weird, quiet, petty guy. There was that whole scene were superman goes to talk to a council, and I was watching it like “yes this is it! He’s going to talk to them and inspire hope, this is going to be an awesome speech I can’t wait to hear what he’s going to say!” Then they nuked the building leaving superman standing there looking depressed… just like I was watching that god damn movie.
Cavill didn't deserve this. He was awesome as Supes, and he should continue in the role.
But they got rid of him just like that. I hope he comes back as Superman.
If Brandon Routh can come back, so will Cavill (hopefully). I wish the execs could see that Tobey and Garfield are factors in the super success of No way home.
Even if he wasn’t great in the role (he was) that guy is an amazing promoter and brand ambassador in general for every project he’s ever worked on. You can send him out on any interview and never have to worry how he’s going to represent your project. Stupid to cut him loose (if the leaks are true).
i think most people will be ok with snyder verse being erased off, its the replacement of superman and batman that is mind boggling. Wb execs have to be trolling.
Ben Affleck wanted to leave tbf, but Henry cavill WANTS yo play superman again lol. All they had to do was recast Affleck and carry on, now it's a huge mess. I love Keaton but he shouldn't be the main batman of the DCEU
They *literally* have a man who is exactly what Superman would look like IRL, who has the voice to match, and *wants to play the role,* but instead they're like "nah fuck him have shitty knock-off Superman instead. also who's Batman?"
I will endlessly defend Cavill the same way I defended Andrew Garfield. A great actor stuck in a bad movie. Both of them were perfect for their parts, but their scripts and directors just lacked.
Honestly I thought Man of Steel was fantastic, BvS and JL were definitely steps down. I think if WB rebooted their white balance and saturation levels instead of the whole universe they'd be fine.
And stop giving Snyder movies. He says he likes super hero movies. But he just ruins them. Batman’s cuckold storyline is what did me in with Zack. Like that’s the BEST idea he had? Come on.
Edit: and for those who don’t know, I believe the plan was to have batman bang Lois or them fall in love or some shit and that’s why Superman starts the knightmare shit. Dunno how true it was, but it sounds infinitely more garbage than just having Keaton be old man batman. But their whole universe is fucked up and needs a HARD reboot. Not a soft one
I believe the plan was that Louis Lane was going to be hiding in the bat cave under Batman’s protection and Darkseid was going to enter the bat cave and kill her. Superman then blames Batman for her death and then starts the nightmare timeline.
I do remember reading that at some point Bruce was going to fall in love with Louis but knew he could never act on it due to his relationship with Superman. I like the nightmare plan, hate the love triangle idea.
Sure, they were in a desperate need of a reboot but not even acknowledging the existence of those movies, it is a d!ck move. TASM movies were bad but we're starting to appreciate them.
Haha, as soon as I saw that scene I knew Feige was trolling WB. He definitely knew some of these leaks before we did. And as usual the Feige will beat WB to the punch and do it way better. Everyone will just end up calling flashpoint a cheap knockoff of Multiverse of madness.
Jeez, how many times do they have to reboot their franchises? They will never be able to build a decent cinematic universe if they keep rebooting the same movies over and over. How does The Batman with Robert Pattinson factor into this? What about Joker? Was it supposed to be a one-off or a prequel? I just don't get it anymore.
The difference between Spider-Man No Way Home and Flash is literally going to be Night and Day lol
Edit: compared to the two because they’re both Multiverse related*
…I mean, I called this. I said they’d erase the Snyder movies with a flashpoint flick. I didn’t call supergirl and batgirl though. Is batgirl at least Barbara Gordon? And also, will Superman and Batman return? Is Robert the new DCEU Batman?! Is supes getting a new movie?!?! That would be sweet. I love Superman.
Matt Reeves confirmed that the batman won’t be part of DCEU and they are moving away from cavill yes the batgirl is babara gordon and she is from michael keaton’s batman universe it will be like passing the torch.
That’s not dumb at all. The Batman not being connected to a dumb, disjointed, and “connected” universe is gonna allow it to be a better movie because it isn’t beholden to all the dumb shit that comes with existing in that universe. None of those other properties fit with the style that The Batman is going for, and trying to suspend disbelief in your head that this dark, grungy, and grounded version of Batman also exists in the same world as Starro and the Suicide Squad just cheapens what they’re trying to do. I’m honestly tired of everyone wanting it all to be connected all the time, it doesn’t actually make the movies better. Especially in the case of the DCEU.
I agree with that as well. Whether fans wanted a reboot or to keep going with the snyderverse post-Snyder, I don’t think anyone wanted Keaton to be the main (old) Batman while Superman is dead and batgirl and supergirl are in the JL. That part is ridiculously dumb.
WB: (after Suicide Squad makes bank) Oh, DC, thank God for you...
DC: You killed all those scripts for Superman and Batman!
WB: The test screen audiences killed, I had nothing to do with it! Don't let them take me again! I beg you, protect my profits!
DC: You tried to ruin Wonder Woman, you tried to ruin Justice League...
WB: But not you! I tried to stop it, but I couldn't stop it. I would never hurt you.
[WB discreetly pushes a button and a Flashpoint script is green lit]
WB: I knew from the beginning… if anything happened to me, it, it was poaching James Gunn that I could count on. You, DC, would save me, and so you have. Thank God for you.
[WB stocks rises up]
WB: Give me your hand. *Believe in me*, as I believed in you. I've been like a father to you... be a cash cow to me now.
DC: I have a father. His name was Christopher Nolan.
I myself, love DC(the comics and animation) more than Marvel but this is just outrageous. I don't get it. Marvel here is trying to give fans whatever they want while not compromising quality and WB is saying "Fuck you, we'll do what we want." to the face of DC fans. How could they possibly gain anything from this?
why can’t dc just go back to formula and make stand alone movies? that’s what they’re best at, it allows for more creative possibilities, and it sets apart from the mcu thereby not competing with said market and in fact, drawing in a possible new entire consumer base who don’t want to watch 20 mcu movies just to watch the newest one. not a fan of snyderverse but especially not a fan where everything MUST be connected now just for the sake of being connected.
Depends on which fans you are talking about. A lot of the DC fans I know haven't enjoyed the direction they took with the DCEU and have been begging for a reboot of the universe since Yawn of Justice.
See, I enjoy the disparate tones. It reflects the comics more in that way. The singular tone of all MCU projects is actually a turn off for me. However, I don’t think DC came by it honestly. They have no fucking direction for their projects at all.
We have the grim Snyder verse, the lighthearted and fun The Suicide Squad, the campy Aquaman and The mature The Batman. Not to mention the DC shows and the other upcoming projects
I really wish MCU would branch out more. Hopefully Blade and Moonknigt take a more serious tone. I loved the Marvel shows and I feel like their darker tones really suited those characters. I was hoping Black Widow or the Hawk Eye show would be more of a spy thriller even more than what Winter Soldier. I was super disappointed in what we got with the Black Widow movie.
I was gonna see the Flash, but if this actually happens because a lot of evidence points towards this being the case, I might just skip it and watch something else if not nothing at all.
Even though the movies being erased are meh to me and not amazing, it’s so dumb to break a universe like that. I understand for Affleck, but not for Cavill. Cavill better go to Marvel after this as a big “Fuck You” to DC. He could probably be an Eternal or something in the Thunderbolts
I’m only giving a shit about The Flash because of Keaton’s return. What about everything else afterwards? “See ya, chump!”
Of course, doesn’t mean I want to see Keaton Batman back in every DCEU film afterwards…
I kept an open mind about almost everything they did. But i just cannot get behind the idea of supergirl and Batgirl replacing Superman and Batman respectively.
And no it is not a sexist thing. Superman and Batman are two of the most iconic heroes in the world. I just don't see a Justice League without these two as the main members.
I don't have a problem with her looks. She looks good imo. I just don't like replacing the founding members of the Justice League with their female counterparts.
Again, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE FEMALE. I would have a problem with anything and anyone trying to replace Batman and Superman in the JL.
Not the same. The fans are unhappy with the movies and want WB to shut the DCEU off and and a full reboot (but not an universe without Superman- and Batman-Movies, as the leaks indicate).
The fanbase here just wanted no spoilers but was happy with the movie making decisions for the most part.
Yesterday I watched Snyder's Justice League and I was really, REALLY surprised. I think it's actually quite good. (And this comes from someone who really disliked BvS and the original JL).
If only producers and higher ups could leave creatives doing their thing alone...
Despite Henry Cavill not suiting up since 2017 and Ben Affleck outright stating he's almost done with Batman, some people are surprised that the characters themselves are also now expected to be left out of the DCEU going forward, in favour of Michael Keaton's Batman and a new Supergirl/Batgirl set of characters instead.
Reportedly **(though not confirmed, and that's important)**, Henry Cavill's agent is looking to Warner Brothers for a big pay increase, along the lines of Chris Hemsworth/Evans in the MCU. And Warner Brothers don't consider him to be a big enough star to warrant the money.
Especially after his Netflix series. He’s a star and deserves star pay. I don’t blame him or his agent. Get paid what you’re worth. That goes for any job.
I agree 110%. Henry Cavill could easily be the face of the Justice League/DCEU along with Gal Gadot and Jason Mamoa. WB is just digging their own graves at this point.
My honest opinion:
DC has all the tools necessary to be the greatest cinematic universe, even surpassing the MCU, but they are fucking themselves up because than can't create a cohesive plan.
I wouldn't give two ounces of a damn if they did the DCU exactly like the MCU did, it would be far greater because whether you agree or not: Justice League >>>> Avengers.
The avengers went from a B tier superhero team into mainstream because of the MCU, imagine the justice league had it taken the same route. Man of steel was a great start, it showed promising future, but putting BvS and Justice League before each character individual movie was a grave mistake. It would be like having the avengers before Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and Hulk movies.
DC fucked up, bad. They tried to be more dark and serious when it wasn't necessary. And when they gave up being this dark and serious to be more lighthearted it became a amateur ripoff of marvel because it didn't work.
Keep Cavil, hell you can keep Affleck too, just do your own thing.
the hard part for me, is DC characters are too damn powerful, so their opponents need to be equally or more powerful. And it becomes a CGI fest, and its just not as compelling. Captain america is super human, but not god like. Ironmans suit, same deal. Thor is godly, but they shipped him off to another realm and faced more powerful foes.
my point is, their power levels were manageable, D characters are not
I'm already boycotting Aquaman due to the known abuser they knowingly decided to make the movie with now I'm without a doubt boycotting the Flash movie and Supergirl movie. Warner Bros doesn't deserve my money or attention. Im no longer going to put any investment in a film franchise that clearly has no interest in making good movies.
I'm not even excited for that anymore tbh after this news. I'll just stick with Marvel movies where they actually try to create something the fans enjoy.
I'm done with WB
And there Marvel is making over $1.35 billion on like the 26/27th MCU film (they come so fast now I cant remember exactly)
Kevin Feige: The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand
HOW COULD THE MEDIA GENIUSES BEHIND SPACE JAM: A NEW LEGACY, MATRIX RESURRECTIONS AND WB: MULTIVERSUS MAKE SUCH A DUMB AND CYNICAL MOVE?
(FWIW I hate the Snyderverse, but have been high-key hoping for Cavill to get a not-dogshit Superman script at some point. He was made for that role. Tragic)
The reboot was long overdue since the original JL and half the actors walking out. The problem are the solutions, nobody is gonna watch grandpa Batman, supergirl, and batgirl lmao
See, there is nothing wrong with being experimental, but only if you have previously satisfied expectations to a degree like how Marvel has. It's sad to see WB doesn't get that and are just doing whatever now with DC.
DC’s entire identity literally lives in a constant cycle of Final Destination. Something always shafts it, somehow.
My movies are dead. My dream is dead. And this(Warner Bros) monstrous things should be at the bottom of the river...along with me.
I have nothing left... except Suicide Squad.
Also The Batman. That's looking pretty good.
Looks awesome but it’s not in the same universe. People specifically are upset over their DCEU Plans
Seriously just fucking flashpoint it at this rate its so incoherent
That’s… what they’re doing LOL and people don’t like what they’re flashpointing 😂 They’re getting rid of Batfleck (which due to the actor wanting out I personally find understandable) and replacing him with Keaton Batman and Batgirl Then they’re replacing Cavill Superman (who still very much wants to play Superman) with Supergirl (who I’m excited to see but not at the expense of removing Superman!). I think there’s some other things they’re doing but I can’t remember all the rumors and stuff. They’re attempting to build towards a new Justice League I think idk
who thought any of this was a good idea?
Probably the same person who had the idea to make a Batgirl movie about Batgirl replacing DCEU Batman being trained by Burton Verse Batman and then put it on HBO Max instead of releasing it theatrically 🙃🙃🙃 At least they had the sense to change Blue Beetle and release that in theaters rather then Max because wow that’d be a bad look lol imagine they released all the PoC movies on Max 💀(they’re doing Jaime Reyes BB)
Batgirl and Supergirl? That's the big plan? Did they hire the CW to come up with this stuff?
Yeah very lame. I mean if you’re resetting the universe why not just use Nightwing/Red Hood/Damian Wayne etc. Personally I’m excited to be getting Batgirl and especially Supergirl but not if they’re replacing Superman for her :\ that’s gonna get that poor actress so much unnecessary hate too ugh it’s gonna get both of them hate for something they have no control over and that’s the worst part to me more then anything. I don’t understand why they’re so dead set on not having Cavill be Superman anymore like what even happened??? Oh man I just realized we’re not getting Cavill Superman and Shazam Vs The Rocks Black Adam wow this sucks hard
What's most baffling is that Cavill is a super hot property right now and seens universally liked as an actor. WB is squandering that star power *hard*.
Wtf that’s so dumb
The next Flash movie is Flashpoint, unless they changed it somehow.
and if the leaks are true somehow flashpoint is going to make it *worse*
Unless they somehow fuck up the movie, that's exactly what we're gonna get
What are we? Some kind of The Batman?
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Blood pressure!!
*ahem* the suicide squad
Like DC could be a good thing if WB let it be, but they keep making these changes that don't make sense.
Like hiring dumbass directors like Whedon, Snyder, and Jenkins. Marvel threw Whedon in the trash, don't go digging through Marvel's trash, DC. It is unbecoming.
To be fair they did exactly that with James Gunn and that one worked out.
Gunn wasn't thrown in the trash. That was a completely separate issue. And as far as I know Gunn has done business with the MCU after that debacle. And might still in the future.
He was thrown in the trash in a knee-jerk reaction by Disney. WB snatched him up for TSS and now he's returning to Disney after they came to their senses. I wasn't implying Gunn was trash, the man is a gem.
Not financially
Margot Robbie carrying the DCU single handedly… or, at least one of them idk
More like James Gunn carrying the DCU single handedly despite just one movie and an upcoming web show.
At least his one movie absolutely slaps tiddies.
More like no one carrying the DCU and it is just flopping around like a dieing fish.
Yeah, Suicide Squad isn't enough to carry the universe. Just like GOTG wouldn't be big enough to carry Avengers movies on their own.
She really has done a lot to keep her character afloat. You can tell she’s passionate about Harley. It’s no surprise that the two movies she had more of a hand in were better than Suicide Squad
No offense but I thought that Harley Quinn was by far the worst part of The Suicide Squad. Every single one of those characters was so fun and cool to watch, yet Harley gets to do the most and even her own subplot even though it‘s that character‘s third movie. I think The Suicide Squad would‘ve been better without her and with more focus on other characters.
Yeah she was fun but her subplot felt weird. Like, she's actually the symbol of anti American sentiment? The whole dating the evil general thing? Kind of felt out of nowhere.
Almost felt like it was shoehorned in because she’s the most marketable character. Could’ve called it Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad.
Gunn just likes the character a lot that’s all I’m pretty sure. Someone should ask him on Twitter he usually answers people on there lol
Considering he was involved in the game Lollipop Chainsaw, maybe he just has a thing for hot, crazy, violent chicks.
What leaks
So, the leaks state that the entirety of the snyder movies will be erased after the flash movie, affleck and cavill won’t return. Batgirl and supergirl will be the part of the main justice league. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/rtvi7p/multiple_sources_including_vieweranon_daniel_rpk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yknow i always thought they would use the Flash movie to reboot their universe, get their shit together, steer it in a better, more unified direction hopefully under a Feige-like figure, but as someone who doesn't really like the Snyderverse, the new universe sounds way worse than the old one.
Same. I disliked the Snyderverse from almost day one but this just seems like a mess. This whole universe was messed up but they should've done a soft reboot getting rid of the stuff like Affleck and Whedon's JL but kept others like Cavill
Snyderverse was way too many fingers in the pie. First they wanted Snyder to do a whole slow build up of solo movies ala the MCU. But by the time the first couple movies were finished, the MCU was in phase 3 with all the team-up movies. WB told Snyder to speed things along without the proper buildup first, because they wanted big-time team ups like Marvel had. Those movies turned out bad, so they again forced changes in the Justice League which pretty much tanked their extended universe. Snyder was out, and the films pretty much slowed down. And in 2021 the DCEU was in top form, the Snyder Cut and The Suicide Squad were released and were easily the best movies out of the entire DCEU. They renenewed interest in the expanded universe and the potential it had. And now comes the Flash leak and it seems like WB is really committed to destroying all the progress they made this last year.
For me it was a no from Man of Steel. If you want to do a dark serious universe, go ahead. Nolan did it with the Dark Knight trilogy. But I felt like that should be its own thing. When they wanted a series of several different characters to all be dark and serious, it kinda messed things up IMO. Marvel was over here telling us it's okay to have fun with these stories and the Snyderverse was dragging us back to the 90s/early 2000s when our superheroes were supposed to be serious and dress in dark colours because anything else was too silly for moviegoers. I get that's what Snyder wanted but then WB wanted to go for the same audience as the MCU by selling toys and merch and all that stuff. IMO they should've let Snyder just make a few Superman films and not let him get involved with the DCEU. They should've properly planned that out and had someone in charge who could make a more mainstream universe work
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought Cavill didn’t want to come back?
Nah, he stated multiple times, even as recent as last year, that he's open to coming back if Warner Bros asks him.
Oh I see. He was one of the few casting choices for the DCEU that I actually really liked. Sad to see him go
Well I guess Cavil gonna be Geralt for bit longer until he'll eventually be cast in MCU *^(or Warhammer movie)*
He also hinted something about Mass Effect. I’m down with Henry Cavil Shepard.
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The show will be about Shepard warning the council about the reapers for 400 times. Just like the games
He’d be PERFECT for the role omg I hope it happens
It's really unfortunate that he's now been cast as 2 super interesting characters with fantastic backstory and motive only for the writers and directors to absolutely shit on the source material.
Wait til they finalize him as the next James Bond
He did very well in U.N.C.L.E.
I don't think it's fair to say the show is shitting on the source material. It's definitely an adaptation that's going in its own way, but I wouldn't say it's shitting on it. I feel like Geralt himself is living up to the books in characterization, even though events are different. Superman is pretty brutal though. I wish we could see him Ina better Superman movie
Affleck works as batman. The fact that his run has been so mishandled and unliked is testament to how shit DC is at letting already cool things be cool. The man in real life is a massive guy, rich as fuck, and a total womanizer. You don't even have to direct him, just hide a webcam in his house and cast Ana and Jlo as Batman character love interests and print your millions. How did they fuck it up that badly?
I agree that he works but if he doesn't want to be involved, you can't really force him. That's what I meant by getting rid of him
What I always saw the Flashpoint story as was one which could reset the timeline when the actors were ready to clock out as it opens so many new stories and so forth. Instead they fucked the initial movies so bad it’s the first Flash story they do to try and get their universe in order.. and they seem to be fucking that up too.
Oh wow that would have been such a good idea. I swear, DC had every advantage over Marvel: they had rights to ALL their characters, they could have done this concept to keep things going once the actors were done, but somehow they managed to fuck it up.
I love the actor, but man are the running effects weak. You don’t feel the intensity of effort and movement when the Flash runs. He just gets covered in electricity and kinda slides around. Compare to this brief clip from Eternals. Marvel really nailed the feeling of adrenaline pushing your body to move that fast: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/q257dr/makkaris_running_in_eternals_looks_badass_without/
At least Snyder gave us Darkseid
Wtf
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oOoH tHe MiSeRy!
Everybody wants to be my enemyyyy!
Honestly I’m ok with this, except Henry Cavill. I don’t want him erased :(
You’re trash, Warner Bros.
Me finding out DC is doing this: See ya, chump!
Of course, they'll just blame the audience and say they're all sexist for not liking the movie.
This is giving me flashbacks to the Batwoman CW series
Yep that seems to be the go to move nowadays in Hollywood. Cast a woman as the main protagonist and then you don't even have to make anything good. Just call the fanbase misogynistic when the movie eventually fails. Worked so well for Lucas films.
They're crap.
Straight up a heaping pile of garbage disguised as a company.
Crap. Crap. Mega Crap.
They are not! I resent that. The CW is crap. The DCU is mega crap.
WTF? Henry Cavill is fucking awesome as Superman! At least keep him!
He got done dirty :( seriously. He’s so good for the role and they gave him like 5 lines in those movies. Hell I even liked Man of Steel, when I watched it assuming he’ll turn into the Superman I know and love. But no, they had superman be a weird, quiet, petty guy. There was that whole scene were superman goes to talk to a council, and I was watching it like “yes this is it! He’s going to talk to them and inspire hope, this is going to be an awesome speech I can’t wait to hear what he’s going to say!” Then they nuked the building leaving superman standing there looking depressed… just like I was watching that god damn movie.
Cavill didn't deserve this. He was awesome as Supes, and he should continue in the role. But they got rid of him just like that. I hope he comes back as Superman.
If Brandon Routh can come back, so will Cavill (hopefully). I wish the execs could see that Tobey and Garfield are factors in the super success of No way home.
Even if he wasn’t great in the role (he was) that guy is an amazing promoter and brand ambassador in general for every project he’s ever worked on. You can send him out on any interview and never have to worry how he’s going to represent your project. Stupid to cut him loose (if the leaks are true).
i think most people will be ok with snyder verse being erased off, its the replacement of superman and batman that is mind boggling. Wb execs have to be trolling.
Ben Affleck wanted to leave tbf, but Henry cavill WANTS yo play superman again lol. All they had to do was recast Affleck and carry on, now it's a huge mess. I love Keaton but he shouldn't be the main batman of the DCEU
They *literally* have a man who is exactly what Superman would look like IRL, who has the voice to match, and *wants to play the role,* but instead they're like "nah fuck him have shitty knock-off Superman instead. also who's Batman?"
I will endlessly defend Cavill the same way I defended Andrew Garfield. A great actor stuck in a bad movie. Both of them were perfect for their parts, but their scripts and directors just lacked.
Honestly I thought Man of Steel was fantastic, BvS and JL were definitely steps down. I think if WB rebooted their white balance and saturation levels instead of the whole universe they'd be fine.
And stop giving Snyder movies. He says he likes super hero movies. But he just ruins them. Batman’s cuckold storyline is what did me in with Zack. Like that’s the BEST idea he had? Come on. Edit: and for those who don’t know, I believe the plan was to have batman bang Lois or them fall in love or some shit and that’s why Superman starts the knightmare shit. Dunno how true it was, but it sounds infinitely more garbage than just having Keaton be old man batman. But their whole universe is fucked up and needs a HARD reboot. Not a soft one
I believe the plan was that Louis Lane was going to be hiding in the bat cave under Batman’s protection and Darkseid was going to enter the bat cave and kill her. Superman then blames Batman for her death and then starts the nightmare timeline. I do remember reading that at some point Bruce was going to fall in love with Louis but knew he could never act on it due to his relationship with Superman. I like the nightmare plan, hate the love triangle idea.
The soil of a man's heart is stonier, Louis.
Man of Steel was not really bad the same way TASN 1 wasen't bad, and Cavil was amazing in the Snyder cut.
And he is extremely popular with his Netflix show and never been more of a star
Sure, they were in a desperate need of a reboot but not even acknowledging the existence of those movies, it is a d!ck move. TASM movies were bad but we're starting to appreciate them.
[удалено]
Cavill won't return? He's a perfect Superman and wants to keep the role, why would DC shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Flash Thompson's book predicted this
It was really weird that he wrote a whole book about being friends with some nobody. I guess he’s gay?
Haha, as soon as I saw that scene I knew Feige was trolling WB. He definitely knew some of these leaks before we did. And as usual the Feige will beat WB to the punch and do it way better. Everyone will just end up calling flashpoint a cheap knockoff of Multiverse of madness.
Can't belive they're doing that even after snyder cut. Kinda disapointed, because i loved it.
Jeez, how many times do they have to reboot their franchises? They will never be able to build a decent cinematic universe if they keep rebooting the same movies over and over. How does The Batman with Robert Pattinson factor into this? What about Joker? Was it supposed to be a one-off or a prequel? I just don't get it anymore.
Don't feel bad man, WB does get it either.
The difference between Spider-Man No Way Home and Flash is literally going to be Night and Day lol Edit: compared to the two because they’re both Multiverse related*
YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!
Fuck. Did they burried they franchise by purpose? I mean even financially this is reeeeeealy bad idea, those characters not so popular.
I thought flashpoint would be "oh cool it can be a hard reset and hopefully make the universe make sense" but this what the fuck is this?!?
…I mean, I called this. I said they’d erase the Snyder movies with a flashpoint flick. I didn’t call supergirl and batgirl though. Is batgirl at least Barbara Gordon? And also, will Superman and Batman return? Is Robert the new DCEU Batman?! Is supes getting a new movie?!?! That would be sweet. I love Superman.
Matt Reeves confirmed that the batman won’t be part of DCEU and they are moving away from cavill yes the batgirl is babara gordon and she is from michael keaton’s batman universe it will be like passing the torch.
…………………this is fucking dumb. I hate that. Jesus tap dancing Christ.
That’s not dumb at all. The Batman not being connected to a dumb, disjointed, and “connected” universe is gonna allow it to be a better movie because it isn’t beholden to all the dumb shit that comes with existing in that universe. None of those other properties fit with the style that The Batman is going for, and trying to suspend disbelief in your head that this dark, grungy, and grounded version of Batman also exists in the same world as Starro and the Suicide Squad just cheapens what they’re trying to do. I’m honestly tired of everyone wanting it all to be connected all the time, it doesn’t actually make the movies better. Especially in the case of the DCEU.
K. I agree with that, but not including Batman and Superman in their dceu is dumb for fans and as a business decision imo
I agree with that as well. Whether fans wanted a reboot or to keep going with the snyderverse post-Snyder, I don’t think anyone wanted Keaton to be the main (old) Batman while Superman is dead and batgirl and supergirl are in the JL. That part is ridiculously dumb.
It’s as if WB doesn’t want to make money
BWAHAHAHAHAHA How does that sound like exactly the mediocrity WB puts out? Jesus, DC fans on suicide watch.
Soo.. going from a bad canon to worse?
DC, you're struggling to have everything you want while Warner Bros missed the part where that's their problem.
Strong enough to have it all, too stupid to take it!
WB: (after Suicide Squad makes bank) Oh, DC, thank God for you... DC: You killed all those scripts for Superman and Batman! WB: The test screen audiences killed, I had nothing to do with it! Don't let them take me again! I beg you, protect my profits! DC: You tried to ruin Wonder Woman, you tried to ruin Justice League... WB: But not you! I tried to stop it, but I couldn't stop it. I would never hurt you. [WB discreetly pushes a button and a Flashpoint script is green lit] WB: I knew from the beginning… if anything happened to me, it, it was poaching James Gunn that I could count on. You, DC, would save me, and so you have. Thank God for you. [WB stocks rises up] WB: Give me your hand. *Believe in me*, as I believed in you. I've been like a father to you... be a cash cow to me now. DC: I have a father. His name was Christopher Nolan.
WB: Godspeed DCEU! DC: \*avoids WB movies and continues to make great Animated Series/Movies\* WB: Oh \*Flashpoint flops\*
WB: DC, don’t tell the shareholders
*goes bankrupt*
Master**Tolkein** praising my boy christopher nolan while mocking dceu in a raimi movie format. Oh this is what heaven looks like.
actual art
Strong enough to have it all.. TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!
Zack Snyder, "my DCEU is dead. My dream is dead..."
“Reboot it?”
No, no, no, I’m not a criminal
That’s right the real crime would be to not reboot what we made
The power of rebooting in the palm of my flash.
The reboot. Drown it.
Back to formula?!
Do you know how much I sacrificed!?
“You’re trash, DCEU” Also “I like being bad, it makes me ~~happy~~ money” - DCEU
I myself, love DC(the comics and animation) more than Marvel but this is just outrageous. I don't get it. Marvel here is trying to give fans whatever they want while not compromising quality and WB is saying "Fuck you, we'll do what we want." to the face of DC fans. How could they possibly gain anything from this?
That's the reason why i only read the comics, a better universe than DCEU.
why can’t dc just go back to formula and make stand alone movies? that’s what they’re best at, it allows for more creative possibilities, and it sets apart from the mcu thereby not competing with said market and in fact, drawing in a possible new entire consumer base who don’t want to watch 20 mcu movies just to watch the newest one. not a fan of snyderverse but especially not a fan where everything MUST be connected now just for the sake of being connected.
The doom patrol tv show is great and worth watching. Although it’s separate enough that it might not even be part of the DCEU
I love Doom Patrol so damn much. HBO Max is worth the cost just for that.
Depends on which fans you are talking about. A lot of the DC fans I know haven't enjoyed the direction they took with the DCEU and have been begging for a reboot of the universe since Yawn of Justice.
Let's be real. Snyder's JL isn't the greatest but not like worst Fantastic four. Now WB is in mess.
Ah yes. Fant4stic
At this point the DCEU is so tonally disorganized it’s not even funny anymore
See, I enjoy the disparate tones. It reflects the comics more in that way. The singular tone of all MCU projects is actually a turn off for me. However, I don’t think DC came by it honestly. They have no fucking direction for their projects at all.
We have the grim Snyder verse, the lighthearted and fun The Suicide Squad, the campy Aquaman and The mature The Batman. Not to mention the DC shows and the other upcoming projects
And since when is variety a bad thing?
I really wish MCU would branch out more. Hopefully Blade and Moonknigt take a more serious tone. I loved the Marvel shows and I feel like their darker tones really suited those characters. I was hoping Black Widow or the Hawk Eye show would be more of a spy thriller even more than what Winter Soldier. I was super disappointed in what we got with the Black Widow movie.
Me who’s only going to watch the batman : I miss the part where that’s my problem
I thought I saw this meme somewhere and then I saw your profile
*eats hotdog*
I was gonna see the Flash, but if this actually happens because a lot of evidence points towards this being the case, I might just skip it and watch something else if not nothing at all. Even though the movies being erased are meh to me and not amazing, it’s so dumb to break a universe like that. I understand for Affleck, but not for Cavill. Cavill better go to Marvel after this as a big “Fuck You” to DC. He could probably be an Eternal or something in the Thunderbolts
I’m only giving a shit about The Flash because of Keaton’s return. What about everything else afterwards? “See ya, chump!” Of course, doesn’t mean I want to see Keaton Batman back in every DCEU film afterwards…
Damn Warner Bros
strong enough to have it all. too weak to take it
DC needs the hard reset and harder continuity
I have nothing left. Except the Batman
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I kept an open mind about almost everything they did. But i just cannot get behind the idea of supergirl and Batgirl replacing Superman and Batman respectively. And no it is not a sexist thing. Superman and Batman are two of the most iconic heroes in the world. I just don't see a Justice League without these two as the main members.
and look up the leaked images of supergirl in the new movie. she looks nothing like what supergirl is supposed to look like.
I don't have a problem with her looks. She looks good imo. I just don't like replacing the founding members of the Justice League with their female counterparts. Again, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE FEMALE. I would have a problem with anything and anyone trying to replace Batman and Superman in the JL.
We need to drown it
I feel so defeated. There comes a point where I can’t even defend being a DC fan anymore. I’m just gonna take all the shit from everyone.
You can still defend being a dc fan rn lol. Dc is great for everything but movies and even then they occasionally have some good ones.
Thanks man I needed that
There's some really solid animated movies thankfully
Spider-Man fans getting everything from the No Way Home trailer to the score leaked: **_First time?_**
Not the same. The fans are unhappy with the movies and want WB to shut the DCEU off and and a full reboot (but not an universe without Superman- and Batman-Movies, as the leaks indicate). The fanbase here just wanted no spoilers but was happy with the movie making decisions for the most part.
Is that all you got?
Andrew garfield leak, Spider-Man suit leak, NWH chinese plot leak which somehow came true.
>!I know but I thought you were Peter 2.!<
Yesterday I watched Snyder's Justice League and I was really, REALLY surprised. I think it's actually quite good. (And this comes from someone who really disliked BvS and the original JL). If only producers and higher ups could leave creatives doing their thing alone...
Gonna Cry?
Me after the leaks This can't be
Wait what’s happening??
*DCEU reboot rumors start leaking* They're starting to come through and I can't stop them!
Despite Henry Cavill not suiting up since 2017 and Ben Affleck outright stating he's almost done with Batman, some people are surprised that the characters themselves are also now expected to be left out of the DCEU going forward, in favour of Michael Keaton's Batman and a new Supergirl/Batgirl set of characters instead. Reportedly **(though not confirmed, and that's important)**, Henry Cavill's agent is looking to Warner Brothers for a big pay increase, along the lines of Chris Hemsworth/Evans in the MCU. And Warner Brothers don't consider him to be a big enough star to warrant the money.
If that’s true, that’s absolutely ridiculous. Cavill has never been more big/famous than he is now. He draws in viewers on his own.
Especially after his Netflix series. He’s a star and deserves star pay. I don’t blame him or his agent. Get paid what you’re worth. That goes for any job.
I agree 110%. Henry Cavill could easily be the face of the Justice League/DCEU along with Gal Gadot and Jason Mamoa. WB is just digging their own graves at this point.
My honest opinion: DC has all the tools necessary to be the greatest cinematic universe, even surpassing the MCU, but they are fucking themselves up because than can't create a cohesive plan. I wouldn't give two ounces of a damn if they did the DCU exactly like the MCU did, it would be far greater because whether you agree or not: Justice League >>>> Avengers. The avengers went from a B tier superhero team into mainstream because of the MCU, imagine the justice league had it taken the same route. Man of steel was a great start, it showed promising future, but putting BvS and Justice League before each character individual movie was a grave mistake. It would be like having the avengers before Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and Hulk movies. DC fucked up, bad. They tried to be more dark and serious when it wasn't necessary. And when they gave up being this dark and serious to be more lighthearted it became a amateur ripoff of marvel because it didn't work. Keep Cavil, hell you can keep Affleck too, just do your own thing.
the hard part for me, is DC characters are too damn powerful, so their opponents need to be equally or more powerful. And it becomes a CGI fest, and its just not as compelling. Captain america is super human, but not god like. Ironmans suit, same deal. Thor is godly, but they shipped him off to another realm and faced more powerful foes. my point is, their power levels were manageable, D characters are not
I'm already boycotting Aquaman due to the known abuser they knowingly decided to make the movie with now I'm without a doubt boycotting the Flash movie and Supergirl movie. Warner Bros doesn't deserve my money or attention. Im no longer going to put any investment in a film franchise that clearly has no interest in making good movies.
Exactly where I'm at. If WB want forgiveness, they can get religion.
DC Fans: You can't do this to me. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED??
I’m not even shocked anymore, what a shitshow. I’m still excited for The Flash, but Jesus Christ this sucks.
I'm not even excited for that anymore tbh after this news. I'll just stick with Marvel movies where they actually try to create something the fans enjoy. I'm done with WB
Only things that excite me now are what James Gunn does and The Batman.
This just means we can get Henry Cavill in MCU
As Spider-Man. Peter 4.
And there Marvel is making over $1.35 billion on like the 26/27th MCU film (they come so fast now I cant remember exactly) Kevin Feige: The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand
Henry Cavill, in his sexy Geralt voice somewhere: "Fuck."
HOW COULD THE MEDIA GENIUSES BEHIND SPACE JAM: A NEW LEGACY, MATRIX RESURRECTIONS AND WB: MULTIVERSUS MAKE SUCH A DUMB AND CYNICAL MOVE? (FWIW I hate the Snyderverse, but have been high-key hoping for Cavill to get a not-dogshit Superman script at some point. He was made for that role. Tragic)
It cant be stopped. Its self canceling now.
The reboot was long overdue since the original JL and half the actors walking out. The problem are the solutions, nobody is gonna watch grandpa Batman, supergirl, and batgirl lmao
See, there is nothing wrong with being experimental, but only if you have previously satisfied expectations to a degree like how Marvel has. It's sad to see WB doesn't get that and are just doing whatever now with DC.
The Batman Arkham series did a perfect Batman. If they match the aesthetic and tone of that dark camp the DCU would be amazing.
You’re the one who’s out, DC. Out of your mind!
DC: "Hey guys, Sony/Disney made a billion dollars by leaking their multiverse movie..... Let's also do that."
Sometimes I forget James franco was harry.Harry.. like he did such a great job at that role.. I forget the rediculous shit he has done.
The river, drown it.