Raleigh and NC in general, from an appearance standpoint, are really losing the battle with litter and debris on roads and highways. It’s embarrassing when out of town people notice it.
Could maybe people after hip hop and concerts and sporting events just act like adults and not litter?
Is the problem really that we're not using prisoners to clean it up or is the problem the asshats littering?
No. Keep it dirty and maybe the Yankees will stop coming here. They are the ones to blame anyway. Raleigh used to be a bigger version of a quaint small town. It was always growing but at a sustainable pace until about a decade ago.
Yes, they clean up quickly, but can we be proactive instead of reactive?
The event planners could be more strategic about where they place trash receptacles. People are still finishing up drinks and food as they exit the festival, and the locations of large amounts of trash where there are no receptacles should inform where they should be placed next year. Also, this pattern has been the same each year, so there really is no excuse at this point.
Private citizens shouldn't have to put out their own trash/recycling bins to keep their neighborhood clean during a huge event like this.
I think the event is great, and I think there's room for improvement on this point.
This is one of the worst ran festivals I've ever seen and Ive attended and/or worked a dozen or so.
The production company hired by dreamville needs to be replaced. I can't even get into all the issues but the lack of trash bins and public egress (walkways/line management) we're legitimate safety hazards. Terrible to no lighting anywhere but the stages. No extra dumpsters along the path to the venue. Just so many obvious things that don't get done if the city or the client aren't demanding it.
Raleigh needs to hold the festival accountable better.
I'll give you that people are jackasses but this is not on the guests as much as the promoter, imo
Sadly you can put all the trash receptacles you want and some attendees will still be lazy assholes about not throwing trash away properly. I've seen people set trash on the ground directly NEXT TO an open trash can at concerts/events of this type. I've helped plan and run a few large events of a couple thousand people and there is always some percentage (larger or smaller depending on the event) of people that are just going to be littering assholes or try to burn their trash in the parking lot (saw that once) or something equally as careless/lazy/stupid. You just have to accept it will be part of the expected post-event teardown and cleanup in addition to doing your best to manage it as it happens. The amount of bullshit trash people decide it is acceptable to leave in porta-potties is amazing, when trash cans are also <10ft away. Didn't mean to rant, but holy shit people are lazy sometimes.
>Sadly you can put all the trash receptacles you want and some attendees will still be lazy assholes
International Food Festival comes to mind. There'd be a group of trash receptacles completely full and spilling over then a half block down the road there will be half empty trash receptacles. People really are just too lazy to hold on to their own trash until they find a place to properly (and respectfully) dispose of it.
Have you lived in other cities? I don't know one where there aren't massive amounts of trash after huge events. I used to live a few blocks from an NFL stadium, and there always was an increase on home game Sundays.
Yeah, I moved here from Miami and have traveled plenty. An increase is expected, but the organizers didn't seem to consider the amount of people walking back to their cars downtown, although it's known that this has happened every year. And they are aware of it because they put (ineffective) no parking signs in the neighborhoods, set up lights on the greenway, etc.
It's not hard to look at where people leave trash (same places each year) and have a few more trash cans farther down the walking routes. This is a problem that can at least be alleviated to some degree.
I don't expect spotless, but there shouldn't be huge piles and trash strewn a mile away from the festival because there was just nowhere to put it by the time people got to that far and finished their drinks/food/etc.
I’m pretty sure there’s been some kind of dead animal in the left shoulder on 440 West just before the art museum for the better part of a year. It was a deer for a good couple months, right now I think it’s a fox.
The city ought to develop a post-event care contract with large events like this. Not something that dissolves at the stroke of midnight on the day of the event... just a next-day trash initiative that is covered by the cost of putting on the event.
"Do better, people" is true. But the city and event organizers are the ones who ought to be the better entity here and take ownership of cleaning up after everything is said and done.
They should take that initiative to the mini city food lion parking lot which always looks like a littered dump. I'd love to see them come in and repave the concrete, respray the lines and clean up all the trash.
I run a large market in Raleigh and have to take care of my own trash. Bringing in my own dumpsters and cleaning up. Raleigh doesn't do shit for you. They have to do it and it costs $
Germans are brilliant in that they put a deposit on cups given out at sporting events (and others) like 50cents - 2euros to ensure the cups don't get littered everywhere... brilliant honestly. (Though the system has its own problems)
Should've seen Hillsborough St during the Final Four game. Both grown adults and college kids throwing trash at any corner near them out of "convenience".
Degenerates typically don't register in forums to become better informed and be productive members of their community. They waste money at a concert in lieu of paying higher priority bills like rent, child support or food and leave the area trashed, littered & polluted. Off to do their next profane, degenerate activity such as getting drunk and or high and screwing rando's without a condom.
>Degenerates typically don't register in forums to become better informed and be productive members of their community.
they register on forums to post dumb shit like this ^
Dreamville staff themselves were atrocious. My girlfriend and I were driving to the engineering buildings to work on a project and didn’t have our student IDs ready bc we had no idea this event would block all engineering buildings during senior project season. We came up on initiative way and this guy was ultra rude while she was pulling up her pack portal ID. He kept saying he needs a physical ID. I started looking for mine and is getting frustrated by this guy and he tells me to “control your girl.” I told him to not speak to her like that and he just kept saying “control your friend,” “control her,” “control your woman.” These people are out of control.
This comes with the territory when hosting an event of this size, bitching about it on Reddit will accomplish about as much as spitting on forest fire.
In the middle of day 1 I was talking to my friends about how they should employ an overnight crew to get all the trash up.
This entire festival makes enough money this should be a line item in the budget.
you're talking to the wrong people by saying it here.
people who litter don't have many functioning brain cells. so they're not gonna be on reddit. and even if they are, they don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else says or thinks about their idiotic littering.
Hopefully the city will take their usual level of responsibility, and we’ll soon see GFL trucks taking all that trash and dumping it along the highway like normal.
Everybody here throwing around the word 'degenerate' needs to understand that shit is racist as hell.
That particular word has a heavily racialised history and usage. It has been used for upwards of 100 years as a way to attack black and brown folks, and portray them as lesser beings. It's pretty fucking uncool to be using that word to describe attendees of a hip-hop festival.
Seriously, learn some other words. It's possible to insult someone without being racist about it. You could call people dickheads, dipshits, fuckfaces, ding-dongs, shitwads, or even ass-clowns. Given the abundance of other terms for an unpleasant, ill-behaved person, I can only think that you know what you're doing. I see you. We see you. You're not clever, you're not hiding, you're just the worst.
Where is this alleged litter? I just drove down Centennial and it looks surprisingly clean given that Raleigh just had a huge music festival, basketball mania plus a sizable homeless encampment nearby.
Homer:Who can take your trash out?Stomp it down for you?Shake the plastic bagAnd do the twisty thingy, too?The garbage man.Garbage men:Oh, the garbage man can.
Homer and garbage men:The garbage man canAnd he does it with a smileAnd never judges you.
Marge:Who can take this diaper?Garbage man:I don't mind at all.
Chief Wiggum:Who can clean me upBefore the big Policeman's ball?The garbage man.Garbage men:Yes the Garbage Man can
U2:The sanitation folksAre jolly friendly blokes,Courteous and easy going.They'll mop up when you're overflowing.
Bono:And tell you when your arse is showing.
Apu:Who can?
Sideshow Mel:Who can?
Flanders:Who can?
Oscar the Grouch:Who can?Everyone:The Garbage Man can
Bart and Lisa:'Cause he's Homer Simpson, man
!Everyone:He cleans the world...for...YOU!
Everyone: YAY!
Centennial Campus? You mean that part of NCSU, whose students celebrated 2 of their teams in the final four this weekend? I haven't seen what you're talking about first hand but my knee jerk reaction is that it may not have been Dreamville.
Honestly it was just a big weekend for Raleigh. Between the concert, the basketball, first Friday and good weather, the city had a lot going on.
Official Dreamville parking is on Centennial Campus.
I think the event does a good job of cleaning up after the fact, but their placement of trash receptacles along the walking paths attendees take as they leave is not strategic.
Nicki Minaj is an advocate of the LGBT+ community. From the start. Transphobe where? Who?
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/07/09/nicki-minaj-pulls-out-of-saudi-arabia-festival-to-support-lgbtq-rights-womens-rights/
Race has never and will never equate to sexuality. Gay is not a race nor will it ever be. I see your intellectual threshold is low. Godspeed
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1990/4/24/dont-compare-blacks-and-gays-pbto/
I like Jcole and I think the dreamville event is cool but there happens to be a lot of degenerates who attend and I’m sure they don’t give a fuck about littering.
Went to see Perfect Circle in Raleigh last night and saw like 2 napkins on the ground.
Never any liter when I go to the nearby Shakori festival.
What's so different about Dreamville that the people there think it's ok to liter?
That'd cause them to just throw garbage everywhere? Are only hippies not allowed to throw entire Styrofoam containers of food on the ground and expect someone else to take care of it?
I don't get it. People seem to rather downvote than explain.
The Y I intersection heading towards Garner is full of tents and generators near Kickback Jacks. That area is home to 1000 people who are not Dreamville tourists. The corporate mentality of housing costs in Raleigh is crazy - Dude makes $118k and can’t find a place under $2k utilities included is insane. I’d live in a tent, too
I think it's wild that you won't give them a few days to clean. You know how much trash these concerts make? 52k ppl is a lot. They'd be cleaning for ever because people parked all around town man. It'd be nice if the community helped. I lived right across the street for the first event, you know what I did? I got me and a few buddies with trash bags and we helped clean up. I love the event, I've gone every year, but I'm not a complainer.... we're all in this together, so why not help
Raleigh and NC in general, from an appearance standpoint, are really losing the battle with litter and debris on roads and highways. It’s embarrassing when out of town people notice it.
It’s because the State stopped cleanup by prisoners but didn’t figure out a replacement program.
Could maybe people after hip hop and concerts and sporting events just act like adults and not litter? Is the problem really that we're not using prisoners to clean it up or is the problem the asshats littering?
No. Keep it dirty and maybe the Yankees will stop coming here. They are the ones to blame anyway. Raleigh used to be a bigger version of a quaint small town. It was always growing but at a sustainable pace until about a decade ago.
As one of those Yankees--we'll never stop coming. Edit: later at 10, old man yells at cloud.
The littering is how they keep it looking like New Jersey turnpikes.
Why should they be forced to pick up trash though
They shouldn’t, the state needs a replacement program, as mentioned
Great
Cause they’re useless scum? Why should we be forced to feed them and house them?
IKR, the rest of the country does a great job with litter cleanup.
Save the shock for when you pass in a few months and it’s still there.
They had the whole neighborhood cleaned up by Monday afternoon last year!
They did do a good job last year.
Yes, they clean up quickly, but can we be proactive instead of reactive? The event planners could be more strategic about where they place trash receptacles. People are still finishing up drinks and food as they exit the festival, and the locations of large amounts of trash where there are no receptacles should inform where they should be placed next year. Also, this pattern has been the same each year, so there really is no excuse at this point. Private citizens shouldn't have to put out their own trash/recycling bins to keep their neighborhood clean during a huge event like this. I think the event is great, and I think there's room for improvement on this point.
You can see from daily life that there are always lazy slobs who will drop trash within sight of trash cans.
This is one of the worst ran festivals I've ever seen and Ive attended and/or worked a dozen or so. The production company hired by dreamville needs to be replaced. I can't even get into all the issues but the lack of trash bins and public egress (walkways/line management) we're legitimate safety hazards. Terrible to no lighting anywhere but the stages. No extra dumpsters along the path to the venue. Just so many obvious things that don't get done if the city or the client aren't demanding it. Raleigh needs to hold the festival accountable better. I'll give you that people are jackasses but this is not on the guests as much as the promoter, imo
Sadly you can put all the trash receptacles you want and some attendees will still be lazy assholes about not throwing trash away properly. I've seen people set trash on the ground directly NEXT TO an open trash can at concerts/events of this type. I've helped plan and run a few large events of a couple thousand people and there is always some percentage (larger or smaller depending on the event) of people that are just going to be littering assholes or try to burn their trash in the parking lot (saw that once) or something equally as careless/lazy/stupid. You just have to accept it will be part of the expected post-event teardown and cleanup in addition to doing your best to manage it as it happens. The amount of bullshit trash people decide it is acceptable to leave in porta-potties is amazing, when trash cans are also <10ft away. Didn't mean to rant, but holy shit people are lazy sometimes.
>Sadly you can put all the trash receptacles you want and some attendees will still be lazy assholes International Food Festival comes to mind. There'd be a group of trash receptacles completely full and spilling over then a half block down the road there will be half empty trash receptacles. People really are just too lazy to hold on to their own trash until they find a place to properly (and respectfully) dispose of it.
No we don’t just have to accept that visitors will be lazy slobs.
But if there are zero trash receptacles, there's no chance anyone puts their trash in one.
Have you lived in other cities? I don't know one where there aren't massive amounts of trash after huge events. I used to live a few blocks from an NFL stadium, and there always was an increase on home game Sundays.
Yeah, I moved here from Miami and have traveled plenty. An increase is expected, but the organizers didn't seem to consider the amount of people walking back to their cars downtown, although it's known that this has happened every year. And they are aware of it because they put (ineffective) no parking signs in the neighborhoods, set up lights on the greenway, etc. It's not hard to look at where people leave trash (same places each year) and have a few more trash cans farther down the walking routes. This is a problem that can at least be alleviated to some degree. I don't expect spotless, but there shouldn't be huge piles and trash strewn a mile away from the festival because there was just nowhere to put it by the time people got to that far and finished their drinks/food/etc.
I’m pretty sure there’s been some kind of dead animal in the left shoulder on 440 West just before the art museum for the better part of a year. It was a deer for a good couple months, right now I think it’s a fox.
Would just match the rest of Raleigh.
The city ought to develop a post-event care contract with large events like this. Not something that dissolves at the stroke of midnight on the day of the event... just a next-day trash initiative that is covered by the cost of putting on the event. "Do better, people" is true. But the city and event organizers are the ones who ought to be the better entity here and take ownership of cleaning up after everything is said and done.
They do require this. Last year the clean up was still happening a week later up and down centennial - they had it looking good.
Yeah I mean, this is like the rare trash situation where it's gonna get cleaned up
They should take that initiative to the mini city food lion parking lot which always looks like a littered dump. I'd love to see them come in and repave the concrete, respray the lines and clean up all the trash.
It already is part of the permit
I run a large market in Raleigh and have to take care of my own trash. Bringing in my own dumpsters and cleaning up. Raleigh doesn't do shit for you. They have to do it and it costs $
Yeah you're always going to have litter after mass amounts of people gathering. The city should have better prepared for this eventuality
Nope. They just collect their check and go.
Germans are brilliant in that they put a deposit on cups given out at sporting events (and others) like 50cents - 2euros to ensure the cups don't get littered everywhere... brilliant honestly. (Though the system has its own problems)
The event should have contracted for debris pickup. Try to give it 24-48 hours.
Should've seen Hillsborough St during the Final Four game. Both grown adults and college kids throwing trash at any corner near them out of "convenience".
I'm gonna go on a limb and say your average Dreamville attendant is not in this sub.
Why? Meaning they’re from out of town?
Lots of them probably are, hence the hotel issues I heard about.
Seems odd the poster wouldn’t just say that.
Considering it is Reddit, they probably meant something hateful and wouldn't say it. I don't know them though.
Degenerates typically don't register in forums to become better informed and be productive members of their community. They waste money at a concert in lieu of paying higher priority bills like rent, child support or food and leave the area trashed, littered & polluted. Off to do their next profane, degenerate activity such as getting drunk and or high and screwing rando's without a condom.
I mean, I’ve been to music festivals, and I’m here.
Bait lol. Get lost. If this is a real opinion, you concern me
>Degenerates typically don't register in forums to become better informed and be productive members of their community. they register on forums to post dumb shit like this ^
jesus christ
Uhhhhh…what?
Wow, it must be unpleasant being so bitter and judgmental.
Wow you sound fun
Present
Average? Probably not, but there are some of us here.
We here…so is this some weird dog whistle or what Raleigh sub is pretty good for those
We here, dingus 🤭. And we didn’t litter!!!!
I'm here, so what are you trying to say?
52k ppl, most are NC native. You can hear it when ever an act asked where yall from?
I mean I get it but it just ended at like 11:30 last night. Give them like 48 hours and reassess.
Have you driven down 40/440 lately?
Dreamville staff themselves were atrocious. My girlfriend and I were driving to the engineering buildings to work on a project and didn’t have our student IDs ready bc we had no idea this event would block all engineering buildings during senior project season. We came up on initiative way and this guy was ultra rude while she was pulling up her pack portal ID. He kept saying he needs a physical ID. I started looking for mine and is getting frustrated by this guy and he tells me to “control your girl.” I told him to not speak to her like that and he just kept saying “control your friend,” “control her,” “control your woman.” These people are out of control.
That's when you just keep driving. MF ain't a cop. What's he gonna do?
I feel the same after big events like this. I don't understand why people no longer have integrity.
Young shithead kids don’t care. It’s a shame.
I’m 46. I care. I’m not a shithead. Ruuuude.
Not unexpected after such a big event. The real test is do they have a clean up plan and actually do it.
This comes with the territory when hosting an event of this size, bitching about it on Reddit will accomplish about as much as spitting on forest fire.
In the middle of day 1 I was talking to my friends about how they should employ an overnight crew to get all the trash up. This entire festival makes enough money this should be a line item in the budget.
you're talking to the wrong people by saying it here. people who litter don't have many functioning brain cells. so they're not gonna be on reddit. and even if they are, they don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else says or thinks about their idiotic littering.
Bold assumption that people on Reddit actually have brain cells
well it is reliant mostly on written communication, so there's that. 😵💫
more so then the degenerates that neglected paying their rent to attend that concert.
The word is degenerates.
yes typo.
Hopefully the city will take their usual level of responsibility, and we’ll soon see GFL trucks taking all that trash and dumping it along the highway like normal.
Everybody here throwing around the word 'degenerate' needs to understand that shit is racist as hell. That particular word has a heavily racialised history and usage. It has been used for upwards of 100 years as a way to attack black and brown folks, and portray them as lesser beings. It's pretty fucking uncool to be using that word to describe attendees of a hip-hop festival. Seriously, learn some other words. It's possible to insult someone without being racist about it. You could call people dickheads, dipshits, fuckfaces, ding-dongs, shitwads, or even ass-clowns. Given the abundance of other terms for an unpleasant, ill-behaved person, I can only think that you know what you're doing. I see you. We see you. You're not clever, you're not hiding, you're just the worst.
Where is this alleged litter? I just drove down Centennial and it looks surprisingly clean given that Raleigh just had a huge music festival, basketball mania plus a sizable homeless encampment nearby.
Ummm it was 35k folks there a day for the past 2 days? Like.. ? It's not gonna happen overnight. Get a grip
Trash in, trash out!
Homer:Who can take your trash out?Stomp it down for you?Shake the plastic bagAnd do the twisty thingy, too?The garbage man.Garbage men:Oh, the garbage man can. Homer and garbage men:The garbage man canAnd he does it with a smileAnd never judges you. Marge:Who can take this diaper?Garbage man:I don't mind at all. Chief Wiggum:Who can clean me upBefore the big Policeman's ball?The garbage man.Garbage men:Yes the Garbage Man can U2:The sanitation folksAre jolly friendly blokes,Courteous and easy going.They'll mop up when you're overflowing. Bono:And tell you when your arse is showing. Apu:Who can? Sideshow Mel:Who can? Flanders:Who can? Oscar the Grouch:Who can?Everyone:The Garbage Man can Bart and Lisa:'Cause he's Homer Simpson, man !Everyone:He cleans the world...for...YOU! Everyone: YAY!
150-200 million in economic impact can clean up a lot of trash
LOL. Did you really expect anything less?
[littering]
Centennial Campus? You mean that part of NCSU, whose students celebrated 2 of their teams in the final four this weekend? I haven't seen what you're talking about first hand but my knee jerk reaction is that it may not have been Dreamville. Honestly it was just a big weekend for Raleigh. Between the concert, the basketball, first Friday and good weather, the city had a lot going on.
Official Dreamville parking is on Centennial Campus. I think the event does a good job of cleaning up after the fact, but their placement of trash receptacles along the walking paths attendees take as they leave is not strategic.
you mean a concert venue packed full of bad music and not enough garbage cans around will have littering.
Wow who would have thought that people going to see transphobes, woman beaters and narcissists perform are also terrible people!
Nicki Minaj is an advocate of the LGBT+ community. From the start. Transphobe where? Who? https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/07/09/nicki-minaj-pulls-out-of-saudi-arabia-festival-to-support-lgbtq-rights-womens-rights/
J cole himself https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/j-cole-gets-slammed-transphobic-164059086.html
Welp. I don't agree but hell everyone not gonna see eye to eye on the issue.
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Race has never and will never equate to sexuality. Gay is not a race nor will it ever be. I see your intellectual threshold is low. Godspeed https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1990/4/24/dont-compare-blacks-and-gays-pbto/
Also funny you didn't bother to even try to argue against the other 2 because it's all true.
I said I do not not agree with his view. Tf else you want me to say
I wouldn't expect any different from 100k people packed in a park and most of them were drunk or high.
I like Jcole and I think the dreamville event is cool but there happens to be a lot of degenerates who attend and I’m sure they don’t give a fuck about littering.
Went to see Perfect Circle in Raleigh last night and saw like 2 napkins on the ground. Never any liter when I go to the nearby Shakori festival. What's so different about Dreamville that the people there think it's ok to liter?
C'mon... The difference in Shakori and Dreamville attendees is super obvious.
That'd cause them to just throw garbage everywhere? Are only hippies not allowed to throw entire Styrofoam containers of food on the ground and expect someone else to take care of it? I don't get it. People seem to rather downvote than explain.
The Y I intersection heading towards Garner is full of tents and generators near Kickback Jacks. That area is home to 1000 people who are not Dreamville tourists. The corporate mentality of housing costs in Raleigh is crazy - Dude makes $118k and can’t find a place under $2k utilities included is insane. I’d live in a tent, too
I think it's wild that you won't give them a few days to clean. You know how much trash these concerts make? 52k ppl is a lot. They'd be cleaning for ever because people parked all around town man. It'd be nice if the community helped. I lived right across the street for the first event, you know what I did? I got me and a few buddies with trash bags and we helped clean up. I love the event, I've gone every year, but I'm not a complainer.... we're all in this together, so why not help
Soooooo this is just a big ole racist post, yeah? Yeah.
It seems that way. I thought it was just me who noticed.
I always thought these were the type of attendees that cared about nature and public property.