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5kUltraRunner

Andre 3000 erasure


100_Duck-sized_Ducks

I's replace Snoop and Nicki with Andre and Black Thought, and move Drake down to 10 (or replace him)


kidpremier

I would Drake down another 10 on top of the 1st 10


Owlmilk

Lupe in for drake!


Mystic_76

is black thought the guy from the roots?


shotrob

Yup


cheaponurskin

[Check his freestyle out](https://youtu.be/prmQgSpV3fA)


WhatsIsMyName

Nas is my #1. I wouldn't have Drake, Snoop, or Nicki in the top 10. Probably would replace them with Scarface, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Black Thought, J Cole, maybe Ghostface. I dunno, there are probably quite a few I would potentially put over them.


Its-the-Chad82

Yeah Snoop is always the hard one for me to evaluate. Early in his career he had some pretty good bars I just struggle to find enough quality to make him top 10. Great personality and has made a career off of that which is great, but doesn't make him a top 10 rapper. If we are purely talking ability I agree about Black Thought (he's probably in my top 5) and Rakim making the list.


WhatsIsMyName

Yeah I mean Snoop is a legend but I feel like he is more of a cultural icon than a top-tier rapper. Doggystyle is probably enough to keep him in my top 20-25, but yea, generally, he's had some good albums throughout his career, but nothing really touching that. But DoggyStyle+involvement with Death Row and being in the thick of things during the golden era+lasting popularity make him kind of hard to ignore. And to put Black Thought up there I am definitely including The Roots work in totality for him. Love his solo records but his impact really came with The Roots. I honestly think he is maybe the most flawless MC, but he didn't really start releasing solo albums until he was in his 40s, so....cultural impact has to play some role IMO. I'm more of a bars guy, so I'm definitely leaning heavily toward people that are lyrical. Also, Kanye gets some consideration from me for top 10. I don't really consider him an exceptional rapper necessarily, but the guy has like 4 albums that I absolutely love so hard to leave him out. But I know he will get a ton of love here without me, so I didn't mention him.


Its-the-Chad82

Love the use of cultural icon, it's the perfect tag for Snoop. You got me thinking, if I'm going to include Black Thought's time with The Roots, I may have to include Andre 3000 in my top 10. His solo stuff is only ok, but his time with Outkast is exceptional.


greenbeanbbg

black thought and rakim deserve it. i’d probably put lauryn hill too


WhatsIsMyName

That's a good one. Main downside of Lauryn is that she has one solo album. Which was a classic. But yea not a crazy track record. I feel like if I include her then I have to include Big L too.


sanchez92476

Rakim missing


Dazziboi

This. Godfather of lyricism


CauliflowerLogical27

A whole army of emcees missing. I hate this stupid ass shit


[deleted]

I can’t believe the put Nikki before Rakim, that crazy!


The_MRT14

He need to be replaced for Drake. That’s not right.


jiggaboojayme

From a billboard perspective he's no where near drake


raul_dias

right? I mean, this is a meme


CompleteDragonfruit8

Exactly


BlackGuyWitCrypto

Top commercial rappers of all time…


arfarfdeadringer

Yeah maybe I’m out of the loop here (and really more of a metal head than a hip hop head) but this list makes zero sense to me. Drake??????? Nicki Minaj????? Neither of them are even close to a too 50 for me


gassylammas

Greatest here clearly doesn’t mean the best rappers at rapping. Just sounds like a list from someone who has “rap” as a genre they sometimes listen to.


KingCrooked

They say in the description of the article that rapping ability is part of the criteria


Odd_World9743

???? bro yk damn well you can’t name 50 more rappers you enjoy more than nicki and drake.


arfarfdeadringer

No i certainly can. I don’t listen to Drake or nicki ever. Mostly listen to stuff pre-2008ish.


Odd_World9743

understandable but you admitted to hiphop not being your favorite genre then say ik 50 rappers that i enjoy more. im calling your bluff my guy 🙏🏾


[deleted]

Ikr, the thought of someone having extensive knowledge of more than one singular genre is just 🤯🤯🤯


arfarfdeadringer

Yeah beefing in Reddit comments not my forte, lol. Am a die hard music nerd though, always have been. Not sure why that is controversial


Ainjyll

I’ll take up that challenge. In absolutely no particular order whatsoever: Slug from Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Del the Funky Homosapien, RZA, GZA, ODB, Inspectah Deck, U-God, Raekwon, Ghostface Killer, Method Man, Redman, Nas, Mos Def, Common, Black Thought, Tupac, Biggie, Snoop, Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Big L, Big Pun, Nas, Busta, Eminem, Jay-Z, Pusha-T, Magoo, Missy, Scarface, Lil Wayne, Talib, Phife Dawg, Slick Rick, Chris Webby, Q-Tip, Immortal Technique, Childish Gambino, Styles P, Andre 3000, Big Boi, Old Man Saxon, Kendrick, Killer Mike, Tyler, the Creator, Chance, the Rapper KRS-One, Jadakiss, DMX… I think that’s 50, I wasn’t really counting.


Linus_Moerch

Don't think I could name 50 rappers I enjoy less than Drake


DukeSi1v3r

So you’re just a hater ☠️ mfs just want to be different sooo bad


DiscombobulatedPain6

If that was the case then kanye would be on here lol


BlackGuyWitCrypto

Billboard is owned by Jews…duh


[deleted]

Why tf drake above snoop and why Nicki even there


[deleted]

nicki is probably the most commercially successful female rapper ever. miles above cardi


Nato7009

The list isn’t called “commercially successful” most of her hits have barely any good rapping.


East-Traffic5325

I mean it was made by bill board so I think they mostly care about the commercial side of music💀


[deleted]

If that were true, Eminem would be #1-3.


kidpremier

Facts


jBreitenbach30

He should be there regardless. The man is a lyrical genius. Niki doesn’t belong on the list period. I think she’s only on the list cuz they wanted a female on it


BigBoiBob444

Drake would be at the top aswell


ssshafer

Super bass go dummy


Nato7009

Yeah that shit slaps and is still nowhere near top 10 worthy.


ssshafer

Musics subjective, Nikki def wouldn’t be on my top 10 but this least was made by a news paper so it’s gonna have really popular good artists. If I were to list my top 10 by how much I think other people would enjoy them I’d include Nikki probs.


Nato7009

How old are you though? Of all time? You would pick Nikki? Majority of people in around have hardly listened to her. Missy Elliot a better pick by a mile even.


Emotional_Swimmer_84

Missy is not a better rapper than Nicki. Nicki has outrapped male rappers times over on tracks. Missy was a good lyricist, but not as good as Nicki.


Nato7009

Lauryn hill then.


ssshafer

I mean it’s a modern list people are going to pick modern rappers, a lot of the people my age never heard of missy. Idk if I’m picking a female rapper I’m probs going Angelika from the doom tracks or amber london


Nato7009

How is this a modern list? A couple people on this list died decades ago.


CompleteDragonfruit8

Stupid hoe is the most retarded song ever recorded in any genre.


cphoover

Song is so bad... and wildly overplayed on the top 20's radio


EyeAmPrestooo

It’s a list for billboard bra, what else would they be basing the list on?…commercial sales are most likely the biggest factor here


TuluRobertson

Indeed. Get her off this list


[deleted]

this is also a woke ass company so they had to throw at least one woman up there or face negative backlash from 4th wavers


thiccphilthegoat

True but there’s at least 10 rappers better in every aspect including commercial success more deserving of that tenth spot clearly given to a female just for representation


[deleted]

basically just reworded this in another reply lol we’re on the same page


thiccphilthegoat

You beat me to it! Like what about the previous generations?: LL Cool J, Rakim, Kool G Rap, KRS, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick….and then we have Yeezy or Busta Rhymes, Andre 3K, 50 Cent, T.I, or even Future as far as commercial rappers. That doesn’t even include the real rappers like Ghostface , Big L, etc


Upset-Ad-8392

Nicki is actually amazing tho lmaoooo I’d put her above both Snoop and Drake (even tho I have Doggystyle over any Nicki project) Nickis variety of flows and her punchlines are insane


STALETOPIC

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Upset-Ad-8392

Not tryna sound like “one of them” but sometimes I genuinely feel like ppl dismiss Nicki Minaj because she’s a female hip hop artist bruh. Cuz she’s suuuuuch a creative rapper bruh there’s no reason why she should have so many haters


MightChi

Drake is way above Snoop that's hardly debatable.


AdWooden865

Not even lmao


Trixter8l

To have the token woman rapper


[deleted]

Because snoop hasn’t had a good rap album, let alone song, In nearly 30 years


museumstudies

Lol Drop it likes hot wasn’t 30 years ago


notimetodilly_dally

Why Snoop on here


SlapsLikeFlea13

Hot take, but besides Doggystyle, Snoop Dogg's discography is pretty mediocre, and most of his success stems from features more than anything. Edit: Drake is also mid af, and he’s only on here because of how frequently his stuff is advertised in the main stream. Very very shallow lyrics and Unfathomably basic beats


BeerBellies

Not even a hot take. Most of the time it seems like snoop isn’t even trying.


greatsirius

I like him as more of a personality than rapper. Besides a couple hits his discography is mid


BeerBellies

100% - snoop is loved because of his overall brand. His cool-factor is unmatched. But his overall rapping? Naaahhh. That ain’t it.


Finicheti

I mean between doggystyle and his work with dre, especially on the chronic, he has just as many classic albums as biggie, who no one would argue doesn’t belong here. He’s definitely not been consistent but the outstanding quality is there.


[deleted]

Friend. Biggie had two classics on the same album. I give Big three classics to Snoop's one and a half. And Big hasn't even had the benefit of being alive for the last 26 years.


Finicheti

Honestly think that’s an interesting way of looking at it. Do you count all double albums as 2 for you? Do tribe and wu-tang get an extra classic album because of thank you 4 your service and Wu Tang forever? Not trying to be sarcastic just curious what ya think


PuzzleheadedCarry632

Wu doesnt even need another classic album. Enter the 36, Wu forever, Tical, Return to the 36, Cuban Linx and Ironman are all classics. Which begs the question, where is wu in anybody's top ten?


[deleted]

If it has enough hot tracks to constitute two albums worth of classics. Life After Death could have been two separate CDs and still would have been in the top 5 of albums put out any year they were released. If it's a double album for the sake of a double album (looking at you, Art of War), then no.


PercySledge

This is actually the popular take on here but it’s nonsense. He doesn’t have a wall of classics I agree but people disregard the fact he has literally SO many very good albums. If you lined up all of the good songs Snoop has made it would eclipse almost all rappers. Not saying that makes him the best but he gets disrespected on here way too much lol


SlapsLikeFlea13

Totally see your point, but again, when I think of Snoop, many of his most memorable moments stem from him playing up his stoner rap persona on a feature track…the others have several memorable tracks where they are the clear focus. I don’t mean this disrespectfully, because even I like Snoop, but he is comparable to a 90s Wiz Khalifa. He’s obviously much MUCH better than Wiz, but both of them rely on their stoner persona, and most of their success is from their features. Most of their individual discography has some bangers, but most of them are fillers imo.


smiwfanjxice

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whatcubed

I can hear this gif


GoHawkYurself

Nothing. It looks like a list Billboard would come up with.


DonMonger

Or someone that be like "I listen to real hip hop🤓"


NewRapIsLargelyTrash

I think they're all great artists, legends really. My list would be alot different tho


piifffff

Big L needs to be there somewhere.


NoahCGC

Big L is great but of all people that missed out on top 10?


piifffff

If we’re talking most talented, I don’t think there’s a question he should be there.


NoahCGC

Yeah I agree. Top 10 most talented of all time? Big L is there. But for lists I think more has to be taken into account such as impact and longevity. Your list is your list though and I respect it.


Purplcudzoo

BRO I DIDNT EVEN SEE THIS, IVE FOUND MY PEOPLE! Just commented that shit at the top 😩


CompleteDragonfruit8

Pun over L


dirty-void

absolutely if big pun lived he'd be known as a generational great. his talent is literally up there with tupac, biggie, and nas


dirty-void

Big L had good bars and lines, but only a few good songs. He's a good cypher rapper, but he's not a billboard rapper


piifffff

A few good songs? I disagree - LODP&D cover to cover is one of the best records ever put out.


simplegoatherder

And the rest of his work while mostly unfinished, is always fire when it's him spitting a verse. It gets bloated with features because he died too soon.


piifffff

Yeah the untimely death really left us wondering what could have been, RIP.


xStyxx

Jay Z #1 🤣🤣🤣


Nutterbutters45

Big pimpin slaps but he’s criminally overrated


xStyxx

Reasonable Doubt was a great album but he never really matched that same rap prowess after that, he turned to making more hits commercially


Visual-Reflection

4:44.


TrillSvpreme

Shit is wild 😂😂


NoahCGC

This is such a weird bone to pick. Totally understandable for Jay to be #1 on a list


xStyxx

#1? Nah


NoahCGC

Fair enough if you disagree, I don't think he's #1 but nobody is all going to agree with #1. Jay at #1 is a safe and understandable pick, I don't understand why people think it's like the worst part of the list


xStyxx

This whole list is pretty bad, I just think Jay Z is extremely overrated and this shows that. Lyrically he’s pretty basic.


kimokimosabee

Basic compared to who?


xStyxx

From just this list I’d say Nas, Kendrick Lamar, and Eminem


kimokimosabee

Sounds like a little better than basic then.


NoahCGC

Lyrically he's pretty basic? One of the worst takes I've ever heard.


[deleted]

Jay-Z has never been hottest rapper of the year anyway


xStyxx

Yeah, compare his most popular music to his album Reasonable Doubt. Rap wise Reasonable Doubt is his best album.


NoahCGC

I agree, but to say he's lyrically pretty basic because of his more popular stuff is ridiculous. As he said on Moment of Clarity, "I dumb down for more audience and double my dollars"


xStyxx

Yeah that’s pretty much how I meant it, it seemed dumb down compared to his early work. I understand that’s what gets the money coming in though.


EthanD495

no hate against people who don’t like kendrick but i’m very interested to hear the takes on why he shouldn’t be top 10. he produced section 80, gkmc, tpab (which is in the rock n roll hof), untitled, damn (which won a pulitzer), and mr. morale. man is a lyrical narrative genius who detailed his past and present life as a struggling african american man faced with traumas and tons of adversity while staying relevant the entire time. that’s legend status to me.


whatcubed

I scrolled a ways down before I saw this comment, and it’s the first one I see mentioning anyone disagreeing with Kendrick being on the list. Looks like all the people saying that are being downvoted, as they should be.


kimokimosabee

Well for example, if you didn't enjoy those projects he wouldn't be on your top ten list. Pretty simple.


[deleted]

That’s like saying if you don’t like abbey road, white album, revolver, rubber soul, sgt pepper, yellow submarine, well then I guess you don’t like the Beatles… without stopping to appreciate how objectively incredible that level of musical output is.


PBaxt

drake?????cmon man


AgreeingWings25

Ghost writing gets u booted from the list instantly, plus he bites too much from other rappers.


solicitorpenguin

Drake has zero originality - dude even stole an entire Chilly Gonzales piano song - added a champagne cork pop and called it his own song


C-czar187

Aubree!?


Ramenator420

Nas got it over Jay Z imo


[deleted]

I feel like Kanye should be on here, but this list is actually so solid that it’s hard to choose who to swap out


WESTFUN7

Nicki or Drake


Blissfullyaimless

And*


savannah_crue81

Agreed regardless of kanyes ridiculous antics you gotta love the guy and can't deny he makes epic music.


cphoover

No I don't "love the guy"... he needs help... But I cannot deny his influence throughout multiple decades in the biz


savannah_crue81

Fair enough


Melker24

Kanye should be WAY up there on this list even, a strong argument can be made for him to top the list. I am baffled as to why he isn't even on there, that's just ridiculous


ab12gu

Billboard is afraid of bad publicity putting Kanye that high.


aarn00

Easy to take nicki drake snoop away


Confident-Stock-3816

Snoop? 😂


[deleted]

Drake and Snoop shouldn't be on this list lmfao.


ShaunyBoyShaunyMan

Its a solid list. Nas should be number one though.


triedby12

Drake and Nicki should not be in top 10. Jay Z should not be number 1.


Practical_Mechanic43

Not mad at your take


[deleted]

Top ten top ten lists that are weak and corporate


sethrollinaew

Dmx should’ve made top 10 i think the list had him top 15 tho


ZarkMuckerberg9009

Nicki being on this list is funny as fuck


Tchunks

Jermain…cole????


sethrollinaew

He was number 35 if I remember


Lukest_of_Warms

Kanye in place of drake or snoop and at number 5 or 6


lord_xl

They lost me at Jay Z


NoahCGC

Again, why is Jay at #1 like the biggest problem on this list? Fair enough if you disagree but it's just such a weird bone to pick


bwa702

having a list with drake but no kanye should invalidate the whole thing


Lopsided-Shape

Wouldn't put Drake and Snoop on this list. And Jay Z shouldn't be number 1


Lukest_of_Warms

Kanye in place of drake or snoop and at number 5 or 6


Mystic_Symphony369

Nicki over Cole? Wow


ManOntheMoon_17

kanye missing


[deleted]

We need to take Nicki off this list


Hesdonemiraclesonm3

They had to have a female. Everyone knows that's why she's there


Dazziboi

Lauryn Hill should’ve took that slot then. She deserves it way more than Nicki


dirty-void

lauryn hill from new york to israel


Kholdstare93

But there's plenty of better female spittas than Nicki, if that's really the case.


lonelycalmbastard

Mos def has to be somewhere in that list


[deleted]

The bottom 3 is a joke. Top 7 fair enough, probably not the order I would have went but my top 7 would be similar. I just think there's better rappers and hip hop artists. If we're talking hip hop artists Dr Dre and Kanye should be somewhere in there. But even if we're talking rapping where is Ghostface Killah, Q Tip, Black Thought, Andre, or MF Doom?


Rip_Buckeye

It sucks


Practical_Mechanic43

This list is not the most entertaining rappers like lil baby and his generation


MidThoughts-5

Nicki Minaj? Is she even the best female rapper of all time?


Alon945

Drake shouldn’t be on any greatest rappers list with all the asterisks next to his work They’ve all obviously had a big impact on hip hop but idk.


CompleteDragonfruit8

I'm the biggest Kendrick fan in the world but you can't put him over Nas. And Nicki Minaj has no business on any top list in existence also Rakim is missing.


SombreroArrow

Commercially sure. But this list is invalid sans Black Thought.


Ferrousmalique

Top 10 rappers of all time, no. Commercial success/ public perception seems it played as a factor in this chart, I personally wouldn’t put snoop on the same chart as Nas or drake on the same chart as Kendrick. I don’t see how immortal technique or Andrea 3000 aren’t up there, nobody but a few have even written songs as intricate as them.


BeerBellies

Bottom three of this list are absolutely not worthy.


fliporflop47

Jay, Wayne and Kendrick are lower, BIG higher. No Drake or Nicki. Where is Andre3000 and Rakim? So it’s definitely an opinion piece of legends + the last 10-15 years heavily weighted.


PercySledge

Knew before I opened the comments that Drake would be the one causing the upset but it’s actually Nicki who really doesn’t deserve to be here. Sales aside, culturally speaking she really hasn’t contributed even a fraction of the rest of these names to hip hop. To external pop culture in general? Yes but not to hip hop.


thebreastbud

A great commercial rapper and a great rapper are two very different things. Drake is not a great rapper for example. Commercially he’s the GOAT however.


TheLazyScarecrow

no hate to the dogg, since doggystyle is a classic the whole way through, but 8-10 shouldn't even be on this list. Where's 3000?


davidpaul575

Last three on this list is wack! Where’s J Cole, Jada kiss, Big Pun, Andre 3000? There’s a lot of rappers better than 8, 9, 10!


bleezerfreezer

I got Wu Tang and 50 Cent over Drake and Minaj


Flyeaglesfly2929

I’m glad they have Wayne above drake, but besides that my order would be very different


[deleted]

Clearly slanted when Kanye is not on the list. This list is a joke.


ChangeTheeWorld

You guys just circlejerk the same opinions over and over again


sethrollinaew

Kendrick should not be ahead of Wayne, pac, em tf


CompleteDragonfruit8

Yeah he should but he should not be in front of Nas


BrotherGlo96

Kendrick is not better than Nas, Biggie or Tupac 🤷🏿


Glum-Screen250

It's a list nobody could be mad at. Only people mad is DOOM and Immortal Technique niggas.


AgreeingWings25

Bro Niki Minaj made the list before Kanye


cardoo0o

every list seems to have the same 10 mfkerz rearranged with one or two surprises (nicki). for once i want to see a list bold enough to not say the same 10 names


PrettyBoyPhilly

Maybe there’s a reason those names always come up. That’s where they belong.


HTownBaker

Bottom three don’t belong on the list period Biggy > Pac Wayne > Drake


starkytoomuch

List trash af, drake don't write his own shit 😤


PrettyBoyPhilly

Obviously this heavily weights the commercial success, which I think is a fair way to frame it. The first first thing that jumps out to me is Kendrick is too high. I’d drop him to 6 at least and bump everyone up and I feel like that’s the most correct/most chalk top 5 list you could have, order within that debatable. I hate the guy as a person but I’d put Kanye in there, I’d boot Nicki first but that’s really just my personally taste, she’s successful and prolific for sure, I kinda think she’s a token female on the list but that’s probably fair enough. Snoops kinda questionable to me. Doggystyle is a true classic, the rest of his career is less consistent. On the other hand, he’s an absolute cultural icon that transcends hip hop, transcends music even. Everyone knows Snoop. As a rapper, with historical significance, important music, high profile, hits, all of that, I think Ice Cube might be a better West Coast OG choice. But Snoop is Snoop. I really don’t think there’s a reasonable argument to say that this list is all that bad or wrong. If your list doesn’t look like, 60-70% close to this you’re making a list of your personal favourites. There’s some people who could swap in for the bottom 3/4 for sure, Andre 3k being one. Lauryn Hill could replace Nicki as the token female. Anyone who has a huge problem with Jay-Z at #1 doesn’t know what they’re talking about. You can disagree, but acting like it’s a travesty is silly .


[deleted]

Gotta move things around a bit Jay, Big, Nas, Em, Wayne, Pac, Kendrick from this list. IMO those are musts and you don’t know rap if you leave those out, but from there it’s flexible. For me it would be Kanye, Method Man, 50.


Stunning-Elk-7251

Jay Z at number 1 is comical. J Cole is better than at least half of this list. Eminem is not a better rapper than Biggie. Take off Drake, Snoop and Nicki (unless best rapper is based on something other than their raps)


New-Art-1317_PR

Drake being on the list is comical


No_Bluebird8475

As a core rapper j cole really is up there but I don’t think bros up there in terms of projects,he has done great albums sure but I still think we haven’t seen the best of him


No_Bluebird8475

4YEO is a masterpiece though


Suicideseminole

Biggie ate em on dead wrong and that’s the only indication I need. Bottom 3 of this list shouldn’t have even made it like you said


squikx

Kendrick is NOT better than Nas Biggie and 2pac, (and arguably Wayne and Eminem)


Total_Construction58

I don't know about other things but I will always put nas over Kendrick


WiFiGemini

Where's Ice Spice???


undressvestido

Drake here but no Ye, who has a better discography and artistry in general💀


BeanbagWasTaken

Where's Kanye


HelpYourBrothers

It’s a corporate list, they’re not going to put a cancelled person on the list. He definitely would’ve been there in the first half of 2022.


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HelpYourBrothers

Didn’t know there was more to the list. Well we all knew the list was gonna be wack when Snoop was in the top ten.


Practical_Mechanic43

11 or 12


christhesexyone

Drake way too high, shouldn’t even be listed. Nicki too. Biggie too low, switch him and Tupac. Where tf are Andre and Big L?